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Hello and welcome to the Bristol Cathedral Choir School. Tonight | :00:02. | :00:06. | |
we're having a class on economics. Can the west country climb out of | :00:06. | :00:10. | |
the doldrums and back to prosperity. Welcome to Our Economy - The Points | :00:11. | :00:20. | |
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Thank you - this is the new performance centre here at Bristol | :00:42. | :00:44. | |
Cathedral Choir School - which has recently switched from private to | :00:44. | :00:53. | |
the state sector. There's been a lot of investment here - so if you | :00:53. | :00:56. | |
are wondering where your taxes go - it's in places like this | :00:56. | :00:59. | |
Tonight - in our classroom -We have gathered business leaders, | :00:59. | :01:00. | |
entrepreneurs, government representatives, apprentices, those | :01:00. | :01:09. | |
who are in work and those who can't find employment. We are going to | :01:09. | :01:12. | |
talk about the economy and advise the chancellor on what he should do | :01:12. | :01:17. | |
in his budget on Wednesday. Claire Perry is here - she's the MP for | :01:17. | :01:20. | |
Devizes - and she used to work for George Osborne - so she knows how | :01:20. | :01:25. | |
he thinks. We also have the Labour leader in the Lords Jan Royall - | :01:25. | :01:29. | |
who's from the Forest of Dean. And for the Lib Dems - Stephen Williams | :01:29. | :01:35. | |
- an MP who's thinking about running for Mayor in Bristol. | :01:35. | :01:37. | |
Come Wednesday's budget, the squeeze on the public sector is one | :01:37. | :01:44. | |
thing that's unlikely to change. Hundreds of thousands of jobs are | :01:44. | :01:47. | |
being lost - but the coalition says "dont worry" - the private sector | :01:47. | :01:50. | |
will pick up the slack. Well Anita Bradfield left Somerset County | :01:50. | :02:00. | |
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Council which is t shedding fifteen hundred staff. Here is her story. | :02:04. | :02:11. | |
Crewkerne is a small market town. Somerset County Council are cutting | :02:11. | :02:17. | |
1,500 jobs. That is going to affect the local economy. People's pockets | :02:17. | :02:22. | |
are empty, they are not going to local shops and businesses, there | :02:22. | :02:28. | |
is no money to spend. It has affected everyone. Salaries, petrol | :02:28. | :02:35. | |
prices, energy prices, it has affected us. I decided I would set | :02:35. | :02:40. | |
up as a dance teacher, I opened up a local dance score for children | :02:40. | :02:45. | |
and adults in this town. There is no help. The government is saying | :02:45. | :02:49. | |
that there is help, that the private sector will pick it up, I | :02:49. | :02:59. | |
can't find that kind of help anywhere. There isn't any. I | :02:59. | :03:04. | |
understand, it's tough out there. There are no handouts, there is no | :03:04. | :03:12. | |
help from the government for this type of enterprise. | :03:12. | :03:15. | |
So - Is the government right to be cutting services and jobs in the | :03:15. | :03:18. | |
public sector - and can private businesses employ all those who've | :03:18. | :03:26. | |
been given the boot? What sort of changes have happened | :03:26. | :03:36. | |
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in your life? It has been quite a big change. I decided to look after | :03:40. | :03:45. | |
myself, set up on my own, which was very difficult at the moment. | :03:45. | :03:50. | |
People are not investing in the local town. People are saying to me, | :03:50. | :03:56. | |
I can take one type of class you are offering, but not another. They | :03:56. | :04:01. | |
just don't have the money in their pockets at the moment. I have | :04:01. | :04:05. | |
parents, both working, he can't afford what I'm offering. I'm | :04:05. | :04:13. | |
having to cut my prices. It's tough. There's no pension, no holiday pay. | :04:13. | :04:20. | |
I am reliant on myself. Euro Liberal Democrat, a successful | :04:20. | :04:26. | |
businessman. What sort of effect is the economic situation having on | :04:27. | :04:33. | |
the high street? I think we have to weigh up the pros and cons. There | :04:33. | :04:37. | |
is opportunity available to small businesses. I have been in business | :04:37. | :04:43. | |
for 20 years, it has been difficult, but at the same time, there is | :04:43. | :04:50. | |
opportunity, and if you are a businessman, you are not able to | :04:51. | :04:57. | |
think about a value judgment, and how to create wealth. Let's go to | :04:57. | :05:03. | |
it Wendy, you working on are the most deprived areas of the West | :05:03. | :05:09. | |
Country. What is it like out there on the streets? People are getting | :05:09. | :05:15. | |
poorer. There are loan sharks, benefits been cut, people are being | :05:15. | :05:20. | |
squeezed. What would you like the Chancellor to do one Wednesday? | :05:20. | :05:27. | |
a lot more generous than he is going to be. He hasn't got the | :05:27. | :05:35. | |
money? It seems to be going on a lot other things. Let's get a | :05:35. | :05:40. | |
reaction from Claire Perry. You see the chance on a regular basis, is | :05:40. | :05:44. | |
the private sector picking up the pieces? The private sector has | :05:44. | :05:50. | |
created half a million jobs since the election. The pace is | :05:50. | :05:58. | |
increasing. Vacancies have jumped 40% month-on-month. I'm fascinated | :05:58. | :06:05. | |
by Anita's story. If women started businesses in this country at the | :06:05. | :06:09. | |
same rate as in the United States, we would have another �42 million | :06:09. | :06:19. | |
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in the economy. -- �42 billion. We need to find out why they aren't. | :06:23. | :06:31. | |
There is a huge gap between public cuts and private sector jobs? | :06:31. | :06:34. | |
know councils are trying to get their budgets in order. What I want | :06:35. | :06:40. | |
to say to business people, come on, we have British business is sitting | :06:40. | :06:47. | |
on some of the highest levels of cash. We know interest rates are | :06:47. | :06:52. | |
going to stay low, currency is going to stay stable, and they are | :06:52. | :06:57. | |
saying they are not sure. I want to say to them, come on, we can do it. | :06:57. | :07:01. | |
We are the 7th richest country in the world, we have a fantastic | :07:01. | :07:10. | |
heritage. Anyone fancy doing that? I am from the Federation of Small | :07:10. | :07:15. | |
businesses. I would like to employ people. There are to be the | :07:15. | :07:22. | |
barriers. The government is not helping, there is a tax on jobs, it | :07:22. | :07:29. | |
is called National Insurance. It is crazy to do that. People are bored | :07:29. | :07:32. | |
stiff of hearing business is getting rid of the red tape, we | :07:32. | :07:41. | |
would employ more people. That is a good point about National Insurance. | :07:41. | :07:46. | |
There is a National Insurance holiday running right now. That is | :07:46. | :07:49. | |
a business is outside the South of England. Lots of businesses are | :07:49. | :07:56. | |
taking advantage of it. We have to make it easier. I'm taking on an | :07:56. | :08:05. | |
apprentice. Jan Royall, from Labour's point of | :08:05. | :08:13. | |
view, does the Chancellor had their -- have room for manoeuvre? Yes he | :08:13. | :08:23. | |
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does. We etc. Some of the tax got back from banks and large pinnaces. | :08:23. | :08:33. | |
He has to offer greater tax relief. We need to restore some tax credits. | :08:33. | :08:39. | |
Poorer people are getting poorer. Who believes that cuts have to be | :08:39. | :08:49. | |
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made? Who is now in the private sector, but now works in the -- | :08:50. | :08:58. | |
they use the word in the public sector? I'm a director of a social | :08:58. | :09:04. | |
enterprise in Bristol. What I did see, when I was at a council, was a | :09:04. | :09:11. | |
huge wastage. There were lots of middle-managers that didn't really | :09:11. | :09:20. | |
need to be there. You have to be in one position of five years to get | :09:20. | :09:23. | |
promoted. You when promoter on competence, it was length of | :09:23. | :09:33. | |
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service. -- keyword promoted on competence. I can't talk about the | :09:36. | :09:45. | |
public sector in Bristol. I would say that in health education, the | :09:45. | :09:49. | |
sector was and bloated. We depend on doctors and nurses, and having a | :09:49. | :09:53. | |
substantial number of them. I am worried about the effect that cuts | :09:53. | :10:02. | |
will have. I'm worried about what will happen in our schools. | :10:02. | :10:07. | |
worry Swindon councillor, conservative, when you move into | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
politics, did you find that the sector had a bit of fat that it | :10:11. | :10:21. | |
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should cut? The public sector can make savings. We are cutting money | :10:22. | :10:29. | |
from senior management costs. These changes have been taking place, but | :10:29. | :10:38. | |
more can be done. We need to offer better service, for less money. We | :10:38. | :10:43. | |
need to stop closing our libraries. In Swindon, we are extending hours, | :10:43. | :10:47. | |
while cutting motor costs. Why are people feeling the pinch on the | :10:47. | :10:52. | |
front line? If they can be done without affecting frontline | :10:52. | :10:59. | |
services? Services can be changed. He can deliver them in a different | :10:59. | :11:03. | |
way. That is what councils are focusing on, the outcomes for the | :11:03. | :11:12. | |
public sector, and how we treat residents. Peaches Golding, you | :11:12. | :11:18. | |
have your hand up? I used to work for Bristol City Council, many | :11:18. | :11:24. | |
years ago, and it was absolutely fantastic. The gentleman behind be | :11:24. | :11:29. | |
made a point, what is the public sector for? It is to make sure that | :11:29. | :11:33. | |
it delivers a good service, but also to focus on areas where there | :11:33. | :11:40. | |
has been market failure. That can be education, the Environment, and | :11:40. | :11:46. | |
getting the infrastructure sorted out. That is what we want our money | :11:46. | :11:56. | |
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to be spent. -- to be spent on. have public sector workers coming | :11:56. | :12:03. | |
here and saying what can they do? Yes, lots of people are being made | :12:03. | :12:07. | |
unemployed from the public sector. People have been taking early | :12:07. | :12:11. | |
retirement, and they are looking for work. We hope that there would | :12:11. | :12:18. | |
be a lot more private businesses that we could put them into. We're | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
not seeing that just yet. If people are frightened to open up. We need | :12:22. | :12:32. | |
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to support businesses. You're a builder, construction professional. | :12:34. | :12:44. | |
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New line a lot on public sector They are disappearing. We got our | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
fingers burned as a business with the whole debacle of the Learning | :12:53. | :12:59. | |
and Skills Council. We have lost millions of pounds of public money | :12:59. | :13:04. | |
because that was so badly and poorly managed. That is the sort of | :13:04. | :13:09. | |
area of waste were we just don't see because it has wasted in poor | :13:09. | :13:14. | |
management with too many middle managers and money is wasted. | :13:14. | :13:18. | |
Government cuts back on public spending, you lose work and that | :13:18. | :13:23. | |
has a knock-on effect? Indeed. We're not seeing that picked up by | :13:23. | :13:26. | |
the private sector because there seems to be a blockage in | :13:26. | :13:31. | |
developers getting funding for projects. The banks are paying out | :13:31. | :13:35. | |
lots of bonuses, but not lending money to people to start these | :13:35. | :13:40. | |
projects. Quickly some reaction, please. I hate this distinction | :13:40. | :13:45. | |
between the public and private sector. Every family has someone in | :13:45. | :13:52. | |
it who works in at the public sector and the private sector, I | :13:52. | :13:56. | |
think. The Labour Party has committed to the same level of | :13:56. | :14:00. | |
spending cuts, but they have not said where they would put them. | :14:01. | :14:08. | |
have not. Four Ed Balls has. He has not. Ultimately, we will face a | :14:08. | :14:11. | |
long-term big squeeze on public spending and we have to grow our | :14:11. | :14:15. | |
way out of it. We are where we are and we have to get jobs growing. | :14:16. | :14:22. | |
That is what is so important. talk more about jobs. How do you | :14:22. | :14:27. | |
fancy welding for a living? The Government wants more people into | :14:27. | :14:31. | |
manufacturing. But as it appeal to you? Are there enough | :14:31. | :14:38. | |
opportunities? Let's hear from Rosemary Robinson who runs Arc | :14:38. | :14:47. | |
Energy in Gloucestershire. This will end up in Brazil, maybe North | :14:47. | :14:51. | |
Africa. It is difficult to get hold of skilled people. In the past, 10 | :14:51. | :14:58. | |
years ago, if we wanted as skilled a welder, we would not have to | :14:58. | :15:04. | |
advertise, Op someone we know someone who had the skills. If we | :15:04. | :15:11. | |
advertise nowadays, we would be lucky to get anyone with the right | :15:11. | :15:17. | |
skills. Some of our welders are from Poland. We have people from | :15:17. | :15:21. | |
the Czech Republic. They hear that there is a skills shortage here and | :15:21. | :15:24. | |
they apply. If they are the best person for the job, they will get | :15:24. | :15:31. | |
it. We get promises of apprenticeships. I go to the | :15:31. | :15:39. | |
college and I ask them about apprentices for welding. There was | :15:39. | :15:42. | |
-- there is nobody within a reasonable commuting distance who | :15:42. | :15:48. | |
can provide that. We need to make manufacturing and engineering | :15:48. | :15:52. | |
interesting for people. Those of us who work in Engineering think it is | :15:52. | :15:57. | |
wonderful. We love coming m and smelling the metal in the morning. | :15:57. | :16:04. | |
It is exciting for us. -- coming in. There is a lady who loves her work. | :16:04. | :16:09. | |
I hardly recognise you without your safety goggles! Why can't you find | :16:09. | :16:16. | |
new recruits? I think that years ago there were a lot of large | :16:16. | :16:19. | |
companies who were manufacturing and they were running | :16:19. | :16:26. | |
apprenticeship schemes. They are not around any more. There was not | :16:26. | :16:33. | |
a pool of skilled welders, for example. Those that were trained | :16:33. | :16:39. | |
are getting older. Just help me. How much does a welder earned? | :16:39. | :16:47. | |
Somewhere around �7 or �10 an hour. Perhaps you should pay more. | :16:47. | :16:52. | |
would love to pay more. If my engineering company was making more, | :16:52. | :16:57. | |
I would love to pay them. You can't get enough apprentices, but you | :16:57. | :17:03. | |
signed up to the idea, is that what you are seeing? I love the idea of | :17:03. | :17:11. | |
apprenticeships. -- saying. build your own company and used | :17:11. | :17:15. | |
apprenticeships. What was your experience? My experience is that | :17:15. | :17:20. | |
there are a handful who are great. There is another handful were | :17:20. | :17:24. | |
coming with no skills and you have to spend a large proportion of your | :17:24. | :17:30. | |
time managing. In small businesses, cash flow is crucial. If you're not | :17:30. | :17:35. | |
watching your books and concentrating -- and are | :17:35. | :17:41. | |
concentrating on these young people coming in who are unskilled, it | :17:41. | :17:46. | |
affects your bottom line. John Chudley is here from the National | :17:46. | :17:55. | |
Apprentices Scheme. Can you explain why they can't be enough workers? | :17:55. | :17:59. | |
Engineering is close to my heart. One of the things we're finding | :17:59. | :18:06. | |
with apprenticeships is that we have become a generation that | :18:06. | :18:16. | |
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values A-levels up of all. I think there needs to be greater emphasis | :18:17. | :18:25. | |
on it showing attractive careers. I think young people need to see | :18:25. | :18:29. | |
case-studies and there should be ambassadors. She wants people and | :18:29. | :18:33. | |
you are supposed to train them. would say that through the | :18:33. | :18:37. | |
apprenticeships website we advertise more vacancies, so I | :18:37. | :18:44. | |
think this is a specific case. Let's hear from an apprentice. | :18:45. | :18:49. | |
have been doing my apprenticeship for the last 18 months. It is the | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
best thing I have done. It is a great way of getting first-hand | :18:53. | :19:00. | |
experience on the job. You get paid to learn. You were at college full- | :19:00. | :19:08. | |
time for the first year. -- You are. It gives you great theory and | :19:08. | :19:13. | |
practical base. You go into the industry and you learn how to work | :19:13. | :19:19. | |
in that industry. What age were you when you left school? I did my A- | :19:19. | :19:24. | |
levels, so I was 17 when I went into my apprenticeship. I was not | :19:24. | :19:28. | |
happy with my A-levels because it did not feel like there was enough | :19:28. | :19:32. | |
backing for Engineering. You would recommend manufacturing as at | :19:32. | :19:41. | |
career? Definitely. There are so many different diverse areas of | :19:41. | :19:46. | |
manufacturing that you can get into. It is attractive for many people. | :19:46. | :19:51. | |
You are earning money and you don't have student loans to pay back? | :19:51. | :19:57. | |
Exactly. I am earning and I have money coming in. There is somebody | :19:57. | :20:03. | |
here with some money! Who thinks that manufacturing is a career that | :20:03. | :20:12. | |
we should encourage our children to go into? Manufacturing is one of | :20:12. | :20:16. | |
the great British industries. We have been fantastic at | :20:16. | :20:21. | |
manufacturing things and exporting them worldwide. It pains me to you | :20:21. | :20:24. | |
that we're losing skills from a fantastic an important part of our | :20:24. | :20:30. | |
economy. What we know about the economy in Gloucestershire is that | :20:30. | :20:38. | |
manufacturing is at heart of it. 17% of employment. We need more | :20:38. | :20:45. | |
being done to help with recruitment. Engineering is a great career that | :20:45. | :20:52. | |
pays well. If you had a son or daughter, would you tell them not | :20:52. | :20:56. | |
to go to a factory and get a profession? Who would actually say | :20:56. | :21:02. | |
that? My daughter is doing her A- levels. The lasting added want her | :21:02. | :21:06. | |
to do is to go into a manufacturing jobs. I want her to become an | :21:06. | :21:14. | |
accountant or solicitor. Is he right? Come on, let's be honest. | :21:14. | :21:20. | |
Most parents would say that. think we have a problem of how we | :21:20. | :21:28. | |
sell manufacturing to young people. I thought you said spell it! | :21:28. | :21:35. | |
have a physics teachers and design and technology teachers at school | :21:35. | :21:43. | |
who did not work in that environment. Let's talk to a | :21:43. | :21:49. | |
student leader. Our students to pick a Premier League college about | :21:49. | :21:55. | |
what they do? Are the sniffy about manufacturing? There is no problem | :21:55. | :22:01. | |
with children being Smith -- with students being sniffy, but graduate | :22:01. | :22:08. | |
unemployment is higher now than it has been for 20 years. We want high | :22:09. | :22:13. | |
quality manufacturing, but we can only do that with a Government who | :22:13. | :22:20. | |
is willing to invest in its skills. This Government has cut maintenance | :22:20. | :22:27. | |
allowances which helped people in University. They have trebled | :22:27. | :22:34. | |
student loans. There was a famous U-turn on student fees. Is that the | :22:34. | :22:39. | |
right thing to be doing when we need the skills for the economy? | :22:39. | :22:44. | |
All students who wish to go to university can go to university | :22:44. | :22:48. | |
knowing it is free when you enter university. They will simply pay a | :22:48. | :22:52. | |
graduate contribution when they leave. For many people, that will | :22:52. | :22:58. | |
be at a more affordable rate than in the system that we inherited. | :22:58. | :23:05. | |
You are looking for work? What is your situation? I have been at | :23:05. | :23:13. | |
college for four years. I started off studying bricklaying. Then I | :23:13. | :23:23. | |
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went on to work on my NVQ in its food hygiene. I am now it looking | :23:25. | :23:31. | |
to work in a gym instruction. you have tried hard to find work, | :23:31. | :23:38. | |
but not found anything? Exactly. I live in Swindon, which is terrible | :23:38. | :23:44. | |
for unemployment. You have also been out of work for a while. | :23:44. | :23:53. | |
have been unemployed for just over one year. I have had several | :23:53. | :23:59. | |
professional jobs over the years. My previous job was a management. I | :23:59. | :24:05. | |
have looked to come down the wrong of the ladder. I would except | :24:05. | :24:10. | |
taking a pay cut. My perception is that my age could be holding the | :24:10. | :24:17. | |
back. I am 52. I still have 15 years left potentially. That is a | :24:17. | :24:23. | |
significant period of time. Does its surprise both of you that | :24:23. | :24:27. | |
Eastern Europeans in particular coming to this country seem to be | :24:27. | :24:33. | |
able to find work? Again, this might be my perception, and I | :24:33. | :24:36. | |
cannot blame them for coming here and I would probably do the same in | :24:36. | :24:41. | |
their position to get a better life, but they look at the UK as a | :24:41. | :24:47. | |
wealthy and affluent countries. The salaries that we get compared to | :24:47. | :24:52. | |
their historic wages in their countries are high. Would you | :24:52. | :24:57. | |
accept a low salary? Anything that gave me money in my pocket, I would | :24:57. | :25:03. | |
accept that. What would your ideal job the? I would like to work on | :25:03. | :25:12. | |
exhibition stands and install them in conference centres across Europe. | :25:12. | :25:19. | |
If there is someone en that area watching tonight, they know where | :25:19. | :25:27. | |
to find you. Thank you. But now I need my notes. | :25:27. | :25:31. | |
If only I had a small suitcase in which to keep them. Here they are. | :25:31. | :25:34. | |
This little case will soon be made in the West Country and has become | :25:34. | :25:37. | |
an international hit. But should the Chancellor drop the tax on the | :25:37. | :25:44. | |
trunki? The inventor, Rob Law, tells us his story. These are the | :25:44. | :25:48. | |
world's first and only ride on suitcases for globe-trotting | :25:48. | :25:56. | |
children. The dragons do not like it six years ago, but the public | :25:56. | :26:06. | |
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dead. I am out. I am out. We are now exporting to 60 countries. In | :26:07. | :26:14. | |
the first 12 months of our business, we turned over 6 million. There are | :26:14. | :26:18. | |
23 people in the business. The sales and marketing is done at head | :26:18. | :26:26. | |
office. We have two factories in China who manufacture these. We | :26:26. | :26:30. | |
have now made a decision to manufacture in the UK. This has | :26:30. | :26:38. | |
been my long-held passion. There is a huge investment for us to set up | :26:38. | :26:42. | |
the production in the UK. If we could set that off against tax, it | :26:42. | :26:47. | |
would speed up or whole process. We sure the Government going on and on | :26:47. | :26:54. | |
about UK production, yet I was flabbergasted to discover there | :26:54. | :27:03. | |
were no incentives are tax write- offs. Financially, we cannot make | :27:03. | :27:08. | |
all of our products in the UK. If there was more support, we could | :27:08. | :27:13. | |
employ more people and it would pay for itself as we are a successful | :27:13. | :27:19. | |
company. Well, the question of tax will be central to the Budget on | :27:19. | :27:24. | |
Wednesday. Should businesses get more tax breaks? Should the | :27:24. | :27:30. | |
priorities be elsewhere? What do those dragons are no! You are | :27:30. | :27:35. | |
making them in China. I have heard that the wage in China is �1 per | :27:35. | :27:41. | |
hour. The price is constantly increasing and the Government are | :27:41. | :27:45. | |
rightly so improving standards. can the West Country compete? | :27:45. | :27:51. | |
too long, businesses have just looked at a cost. Now we're at at | :27:51. | :27:56. | |
tipping point where it is about the cost of the product, the carbon | :27:56. | :28:02. | |
footprint, flexibility as a supplier to meet demand, innovating, | :28:02. | :28:06. | |
there are so many good things that I think it really is starting to | :28:06. | :28:10. | |
balance up. Yes, it is more expensive making things here than | :28:10. | :28:15. | |
in China and it probably will be that way for 20 years. But there | :28:15. | :28:25. | |
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Tell us about your business? make high-technology business. We | :28:31. | :28:41. | |
are I manufacture -- we are in manufacturing industry, it is very | :28:41. | :28:49. | |
sad to see how difficult it is. We want people who can programme | :28:49. | :28:57. | |
robots. We want a high degree of training, and a high degree of | :28:57. | :29:05. | |
innovation. We export our pride that. It is a huge success, what | :29:05. | :29:10. | |
could the government do to help you further? Do you need a tax breaks? | :29:10. | :29:16. | |
The answer is, yes. I have to explain why. We are very successful, | :29:16. | :29:22. | |
and cash rich. We can't get engineers, we are training people | :29:22. | :29:30. | |
in the wrong things. Let's talk tax breaks. Why do need a tax break? | :29:30. | :29:35. | |
The very fact that we have a proven success for Formula, we want to | :29:35. | :29:39. | |
make it a bigger formula. We have to create wealth in this country. | :29:39. | :29:48. | |
This is a low risk way of doing it. Why could the government to? -- | :29:48. | :29:57. | |
what could the government to do? Capital gains tax. Can we clarify | :29:57. | :30:04. | |
tax breaks for. We have the largest tax system in the world. What we | :30:04. | :30:08. | |
need is a low and stable tax environment. The first thing that | :30:08. | :30:18. | |
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the Chancellor did is cut the lowest rate of corporate tax. They | :30:23. | :30:31. | |
-- there may be some further cuts they can make. We need a stable and | :30:31. | :30:40. | |
low system. Is that your experience? It would be great to | :30:40. | :30:44. | |
see a move on that. I spent two months researching, tried to get | :30:44. | :30:49. | |
some support, to bring our production back from China. I saw | :30:49. | :30:52. | |
David Cameron preaching on the television, I thought, there was | :30:52. | :30:56. | |
going to be some support, there wasn't any. We need people to pick | :30:56. | :31:05. | |
up the slack from the public sector, is -- it is about the job creation. | :31:05. | :31:12. | |
I want a tax break. Why should the government's priority be? Would | :31:12. | :31:20. | |
anyone not like a tax break? They have to be honest with ourselves as | :31:20. | :31:26. | |
businesses. If we have this financial plan that, and we have a | :31:26. | :31:35. | |
certain amount of business is doing reasonably well. I don't see the | :31:35. | :31:42. | |
logic. You have to be careful. of our businesses are not paying | :31:42. | :31:46. | |
taxes. We have incredibly high levels of tax avoidance in this | :31:46. | :31:51. | |
country. We have to clamp down on that. What about the 50 pence rate | :31:51. | :32:00. | |
of tax? Would you like to see it go? I have always thought it was a | :32:00. | :32:10. | |
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bad incentive. While we have low growth, I would like to keep it. I | :32:10. | :32:17. | |
personally don't think it's the right time to do it. I would agree | :32:17. | :32:24. | |
with Claire. I don't think any tax rate should be set in stone. It | :32:24. | :32:32. | |
would be the wrong time to do it. It is said that the regime's to be | :32:32. | :32:36. | |
in cent devised by lower taxes, but the poor need to be in cent devised | :32:36. | :32:40. | |
by paying more taxes quite often. Or by having their tax credits | :32:40. | :32:50. | |
:32:50. | :32:55. | ||
reduced. The Liberal Democrats are in favour of lower taxes. We would | :32:55. | :33:03. | |
like a tycoon tax. The tax break we would really like to see is raising | :33:03. | :33:10. | |
that threshold to �10,000, so that everyone can enter work. The | :33:10. | :33:13. | |
biggest barrier to someone taking a job is that makes between tax and | :33:13. | :33:23. | |
:33:23. | :33:24. | ||
benefits. -- is that a mix. Used to be an adviser for the Bank of | :33:24. | :33:29. | |
England, what will the Chancellor be trying to balance between public | :33:29. | :33:38. | |
spending and what the public will accept? The Chancellor will look to | :33:38. | :33:43. | |
rebalance the economy. We need to the back on the fact that our | :33:43. | :33:51. | |
public deficit over the last 2-3 years will be more than 10% of that | :33:51. | :34:01. | |
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and all are pert -- of our annual Albert. We have built up too much | :34:02. | :34:07. | |
debt. That rebalancing is to continue. The Chancellor want to | :34:07. | :34:16. | |
see the economy growing again. There is a need for incentives for | :34:16. | :34:23. | |
large and smaller businesses. wealthy top 1% pay something like | :34:24. | :34:32. | |
25% of all the taxes, can they be squeezed any more? As people said | :34:32. | :34:36. | |
earlier, they are supposed to pay a certain amount of tax, but the fact | :34:36. | :34:40. | |
is, they don't. There are too many loopholes. We have to close up | :34:40. | :34:49. | |
those tax loopholes. Various people have talked about the cuts, and I | :34:49. | :34:54. | |
do think we have been cutting too fast, as Clare herself said, | :34:54. | :35:02. | |
councils have chosen to front a load some of the cuts. That is | :35:02. | :35:06. | |
having an impact on jobs. We want to get rid of the deficit, we want | :35:06. | :35:16. | |
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to do it more slowly. Let's focus on the top 1%, can they be burdened | :35:19. | :35:27. | |
more? I don't want to burden people. What you want to focus on is | :35:27. | :35:36. | |
creating wealth. In these to be spread out evenly. I think we are | :35:36. | :35:42. | |
missing the fundamental point. What we really need to rebalance, is our | :35:42. | :35:52. | |
:35:52. | :35:52. | ||
goals is a -- is our goals in society. What are we valuing? Why | :35:52. | :35:56. | |
is it that nurses and teachers get paid very little, and bankers get | :35:56. | :36:02. | |
paid of Eilat? We are valuing the wrong things. We need to challenge | :36:02. | :36:07. | |
the notion of improving our economy. What is prosperity? It is the way | :36:07. | :36:17. | |
more than economic benefits. -- it is way more. We all agree that the | :36:17. | :36:23. | |
Sinn cent advise people to work -- we all agreed that we should raise | :36:23. | :36:33. | |
:36:33. | :36:38. | ||
incentives for people to work. Let's have ABA final word with the | :36:38. | :36:45. | |
politicians -- let's have a final word with the politicians. We need | :36:45. | :36:52. | |
jobs for young people. If they're out to work for a long time, they | :36:52. | :36:57. | |
lose confidence. We are losing our future. What would be your | :36:57. | :37:03. | |
priority? It is making sure that the low-paid and the middle incomes | :37:03. | :37:05. | |
get basic dividend tax break. We want to get to a situation where | :37:05. | :37:15. | |
:37:15. | :37:16. | ||
you can enter work, completely free of tax. Is that going to work? | :37:16. | :37:24. | |
have insisted it is in the coalition agreement. In the Budget | :37:24. | :37:27. | |
statement, I'm looking for the Chancellor to announce when we can | :37:27. | :37:37. | |
:37:37. | :37:37. | ||
get to that position. Would you see the Chancellor before Wednesday? | :37:38. | :37:45. | |
will be in the house. I want an unequivocal signal that Britain is | :37:45. | :37:49. | |
open for business. This is the Best place to do business, and indeed | :37:49. | :37:53. | |
that certainty either dealing with the deficit, the strong signals | :37:53. | :37:56. | |
over dealing with tax, and cutting red tape and getting | :37:56. | :38:01. | |
apprenticeships going. What I personally would like to see is the | :38:01. | :38:11. | |
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cut in fuel duty. And that's it. Our thanks to all of | :38:11. | :38:15. | |
you who have come to debate with us tonight. The conversation continues | :38:15. | :38:18. | |
on BBC local radio where there will be special programmes tomorrow. And | :38:18. | :38:21. |