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accolade for best actress. Now it is time to Show Me The Money

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This is Show Me The Money, your weekly guide to who is making the

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catch, how they are doing it and what it means for the way we work.

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Screening tonight, our main feature, Tim Richards. He runs Vue Cinemas.

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One of his picture houses has the biggest box-office in Britain. Also

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starring Rosie Wolfenden, the sparkler behind the British

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jewellery company Tata divine, with plans for a big production in

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America. I am always scripting the best lines and keeping a sharp eye

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on the price of popcorn, money journalist Lucy Tobin from the

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London Evening Standard. Another day, another attack on the

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chancellor's plans to tax refunds for people who give to charity.

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Over 40 of the most generous donors have written to the Sunday

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Telegraph, saying that the plans will mean less money for good

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causes. Charities, universities, even senior Tory party money men

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agree. But the government says some of the super-rich donate to dodgy

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charities to save tax, not to do good. Tim, are you one of the

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super-rich that gives to charity and enjoys the tax break? Not yet.

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But this does feel like another coalition compromise. I am chair of

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a 20-year-old children's charity, and with our charity 80% of our

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funding comes from 5% of the donors. Something like this would have a

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profound impact on our charity. And it is not unique. Is that the

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funding model for most charities, that the most money comes from a

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small number of people? Bow charity is not unique. You may be seeing a

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few bad eggs who take advantage of the system. But the impact this

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would have feels like a knee-jerk reaction. You can't turn off the

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tap that quickly. But is part of the problem. This would have a

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major impact on charities today if it went through. I am the argument

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that charities will end up with less money if this tax break is

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capped, you believe that to be true? You suspect that your charity

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will have less money as a result? A unquestionably. Lucy Tobin, on one

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side of the argument, there is the case that if you give to money, you

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should not pay tax on it. The other side of the argument is that the

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state is entitled to take tax on money earned and what you do with

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the money afterwards is your business, not the government's.

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s, but it is baffling that the Government has come out with this

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policy hot on the heels of emphasising over the last few years

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that the public purse is emptier and that the charities and private

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sector need to fill the gap. We are seeing more vulnerable people

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facing greater cuts and homeless people needing food and ill people

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needing medicines. And the government is saying to the

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charities, come and help us fill that gap, and then coming up with a

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policy that disincentivise is giving. Why is the Government doing

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this? Politically, it feels like a strange position where you have a

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Conservative Chancellor effectively saying, we think the state should

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have the money first, because it can use the money better. In it

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feels like something they are floating, and that they will end up

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doing a U-turn on. The condemnation is too wide for them to go ahead.

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What do you think? It should be an incentive, not a reward. It would

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be a shame if it had a bad impact on the arts. They are such an

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inspiration to designers like us. Some of our biggest customers are

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institutions, and those kinds of places would suffer under this Act.

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And from your knowledge of working closely with these artistic

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organisations and charities, they would be in a similar position in

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that they rely on individual wealthy donors? Absolutely.

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feels like the government is having an academic argument with itself

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over where it should come from and whether the wealthy are giving

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because they want to give or giving because of tax break. But if you

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are a homeless person relying on a charity which relies on those

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revenues to fill their coffers, it is irrelevant. You just want

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something to come from somewhere. The government says it can't afford

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it and that charities need to step in. Tim, as someone who is chair of

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a charity as well as someone who knows people who give donations to

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charity, can the donations from one or two wealthy people, can that be

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replaced by a lot of small donations from elsewhere? Yes, but

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those things take time. I know how hard we work on every donor and how

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much time is spent on them. It takes a long time to build up a

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donor base. It does not happen overnight, so this would have a

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massive impact. This is the Big Society government. You wonder,

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what happened? It is a complete left term.

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In these tough trading times, here is a reminder that he should never

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say never in business. The old British steel mill at Redcar relit

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it blast furnace this evening, some two years after it was mothballed.

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Many of the 1600 workers who lost their jobs will now be re-employed.

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The first steel slabs are likely to be produced over the next three

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days. The plant is now owned by the Thai company SSI.

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And now some news that will smelt your heart - it is boom or bust.

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Starting with this towering achievement, the world's first and

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probably only sand museum. You might think it goes against the

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grain, but people from around the world have landed on its shores,

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and there are plenty of British icons, from the house of parliament

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to old Queen Bess. Shakespeare is there as well, but they don't seem

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to give a dickens about Dickens. You might need to sit down for this

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- it is a shampooing robot, on trial in a city in Japan.

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Sensors in the robot's hands scam the shape of the rope -- the

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customer's head. The robot then washes the air with 24 "robo-

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fingers". They have not yet taught the robot to ask about your

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holidays or how to Cy "Oh, I know" when describing life's weekly

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dramas. And say hi to hurry. He might

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eventually turn into a 300 kilo beast, but now he is a cute

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abandoned hippo Club. Adorable enough to get these keepers to

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bottle feed him every three hours and put him in the bath after every

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feed. Keepers say they have to keep him moist, as hippos spend 80% of

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their time in the water when in the wild. The plan is to reunite him

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with his parents, who are still living next door.

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So, Lucy, the Sound Museum. What a curiosity that must be. -- the sand

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museum. Remarkable that it was crammed full of British icons.

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this country, we forget how big we are and how much the world

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recognises some of our landmarks. As a Londoner, you can run around

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town and complain about the Duke and forget to the Cup and see what

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landmarks we are surrounded by all the time and how much those brands

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are worth abroad. His only we could get them to take that love of all

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things British and buy more British goods. That is what companies are

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trying to do, branding themselves as British, because made in Britain

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is a valuable commodity. Absolutely. Everything in our business is made

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in Britain. And yourself to Japan? All around the world, but mostly

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Japan, America, Europe and Britain. And there is a value attached to

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that, if you are able to say it is made in Britain? There is a real

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kudos to it. In these times, it stands for a lot. Tim, you are a

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Canadian based in Britain. Is Britishness attractive? Always.

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Certainly in the film industry, British films travel very well. One

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of the areas the British policy review looked at last year was

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whether we should have a British brand for films. With a logo. Some

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of these films travel very well. Aren't they all seem as Posh, like

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Gosford Park? There are the Gosford Parks, and they are balanced by The

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Inbetweeners. The cheers as far away as you could get! But also a

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great movie and the second highest grossing film of the year last year.

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The use a technology even in the hairdressing trade nowadays - Rosie,

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in your business, even though it is jewellery, you tend to think of

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that as an ancient craft. But technology is key in your business,

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too? In it is, but we have lots of skilled makers in Britain. All of

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our jury is laser cut -- all have our jewellery is laser cut. We

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decided to create our own way of making it. It is an ancient craft,

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but we try and push the boundaries with technology. We use a laser cut,

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does that make it look different? It gives it a very straight edge.

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But it does have a different look. And because every peace is and made,

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it has a quality to it that you would not otherwise have. I and

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this is going to be the big technology in the cinema trade?

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City on the horizon. Laser technology is the big thing in our

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business. Laser projection throws an incredible amount of light on

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the screen. I'm no you do not like people who stand up during movies,

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but the use of lasers is an aggressive deterrent. It will

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prevent them from standing up again. That brings us to the thought of

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how you encourage and nurture the next generation, with the hippo.

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That is something the Government has to try hard to do. We have a

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generation coming out of university who can't find jobs, and

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entrepreneurial isn't is the key. The number of young people who are

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interested in setting up their own businesses and going down the

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imitative route and starting something you could be great for

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Britain. Hopefully, they can learn from tonight's stories as

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inspiration. Are they looking at being entrepreneurs because there

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is nothing else available, or are they looking at it and thinking,

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this is the best choice? It had gone beyond the first idea. Yes,

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there are fewer jobs out there, which will encourage people. But on

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the other hand, it is great to start something that you can call

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your own. You guys will know better than me, but to have a baby and

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watch it grow and Hiram people and have your own flexibility and not

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have to be a corporate drone sounds appealing. But you were a loyal

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once! There has been an incredible gravitational pull to the City with

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the best of our students over the last 30 or 40 years. Showing that

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there is an alternative, that there is a way of being successful and

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having a lot of fun as well, being an entrepreneur and getting some of

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those young and talented students into business will get this country

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back on its feet. What was the trigger for you? What made you

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leave the law behind and become a cinema entrepreneur? I have always

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loved movies, so I am fortunate to be in the business I love. But for

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me, during the last recession in 1990, I was a lawyer. A mergers

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lawyer. Yes, and business had just stopped. Then I answered a very

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small ad in the Financial Times to join one of the studios. You could

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have missed it. It is amazing how things happen. Just one of those

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There is a step from going into the cinema business and then deciding

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to set up a company that becomes one of the dominant players in the

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cinema trade. What made you think you should set up and run your own

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business? There were a number of areas. A lot of entrepreneurs have

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that Eureka moment. Why moment was when I was walking into the

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Finchley Road cinema, which was Warner Brothers at the time. They

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were building loud, noise, brash, cinemas and an affluent couple

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walked by. They looked in and walked away. I thought we were

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alienating a large proportion of the potential customer base. It was

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that together with, I think, studio life. Studio investors are the only

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ones that can put Investment Bank is to show in terms of their

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expense projects. -- Investment Bankers to shame. I thought I could

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do it better and cheaper and I left six months later and started the

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company. You have 71 sites in the UK and elsewhere at the moment and

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I know you are planning to open more in these difficult economic

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times. How do you decide whether Vue Cinemas should be? The hardest

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part is deciding where you are not going to be. We get letters weekly

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and monthly from councils pleading with us to go in and open up a

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cinema. We are a big part of the community. People remember their

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first dates. Kids go up. It is a safe haven for young people to

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watch the film. It is very hard to turn people down. We have a very

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sophisticated screening process, where we will probably end up

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developing one out of 20 sites that we look up. That is a very high

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rate of attrition, one in 20. What is a contributing factor? How much

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people are willing to spend? The number of people through the doors?

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What are the variables that you look at? We typically look at a 20

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minute drive time. We look at a snapshot of a community, an area,

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and that can be stretched in certain areas in parts of the

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country where people drive for a longer distance. Then there are

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places like Westfield London with phenomenal gravitational pulls.

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Both the West field sites, here and in Stratford, people try for over

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an hour to come in. You have to fact it in the different elements.

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-- people drive for an hour to come in. You have to look at the

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relevant affluence of the customers and how much they are willing to

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spend. How much they will spend on popcorn? No, it is the whole

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package. Hot dogs as well? Tickets, too. If you look at our price wars

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across the streets at Westfield, similar across the country, we have

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a price point that starts at �1 and goes up to �20. We tried to cater

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to all our customers across the country. Thank you. The business

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story next week is likely to be Tesco. They are expected to reveal

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their worst performance in decades. They are selling some of their

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stores and they are making much less profit at home. Some of the

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top bosses have walked the plank already. Phil Clarke will reveal

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his turnaround plan on Wednesday, with more emphasis on smaller

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stores, cutting back on new hypermarkets, and hiring more staff

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to improve customer service will all be on the bill. What has gone

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wrong with Tesco? Let's get some perspective. Profits will be down,

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but it will still be over �3 billion as their pre- tax profit

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and not many people can compete with that. And it is still one

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third of our groceries. But there is still a slow down. I think it

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has become arrogant, actually. Farmers have complained about them

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squeezing margins. Communities have got annoyed about them opening too

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many branches, squashing local independent shops. Now it has gone

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further and annoyed the customers. It has cut back on staff, so

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customer-service levels have dipped. If you walk into a store, they

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looked sterile in industrial whereas says with a Morrison's have

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been investing. -- is Sainsbury's and Morrisons. ASDA has been having

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a very big price war. People have drifted away from Tesco. It has

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been a big player for a long time and has concentrated too much on

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international markets and not the UK. The problem is that the UK was

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the cash cow that generated the money to spend abroad, but if that

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slows down and dried up, they have big problems. The story was that

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Tesco grew and grew, and you could argue that it has grown so much

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that it has become unmanageable. Your business has grown pretty

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quickly, 40% in one year. How do you manage that rate of growth?

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Managing growth is tricky. We are in control of every area of our

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business, manufacturing, distribution, retail sales. Having

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all of that means that throughout the growth you are in control. You

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have got very stringent forecasting and it you know where you are at.

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Is there a pay-off between growth and what you can control? I am sure

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there is. But not quite yet? yet. A good position to be in! Your

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business had a big expansion as well. Overnight to took over... I

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forget which one. Was it warned of? It was five companies. I started

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with a zero. He -- how did you manage that change in the business?

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It is very difficult and the challenge is to keep the

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entrepreneurial spirit alive in the company. All of our key executors

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have a stake in the company. They think like owners and that is a big

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part of it. We have individual executives who will cut their own

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budgets because they know it is for the greater good of the company,

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and you would not see that in a big company with huge bureaucracy with

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entrenched positions. For us, having our managers think like

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entrepreneurs is very important. There is some pressure from Tesco

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investors to perhaps pull out of the United States. It is taking a

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lot of time with very little to show for it at this stage. Should

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they leave the United States? think they have put in too much to

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walk away right now. I was at the Tesco conference last year, and

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there are always bonkers investors saying what have you done? When

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they opened Fresh & Easy to 1006 they said they would break easy in

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two years. Several years on, they have not. -- in 2006. They have

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changed the stores a lot. When they originally opened, the fresh side

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was not what the Americans wanted and they have changed and it does

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seem to be on the up. Investors will be watching. We will see what

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they have to say for themselves on Wednesday. They say you should

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never go into business with your friends and family but that message

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did not reach one rather large family in Cardiff. We went to find

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Niche journey. He is brothers with Steve and father to Helen. -- mate

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Jimmy. Their sisters and cousins as well. They all work together as

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hairdressers in Cardiff. What is it like working with your entire

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family? Sometimes it is held. It is also brilliant. What is it like

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working with your children on a day-to-day basis? Not a problem.

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Sometimes I make it clear that they are my children but at work I am

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the boss. At home they are my children and I love them to bits.

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In the shop, everybody has to have a responsibility. That is what the

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business is all about. Helen has been working in the family salon

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since she was a teenager. What is the success secret? Is it having

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defined roles? The most important thing is that you have to be good

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at your job. You all have to have different roles. I do chemicals. We

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all work differently. The most important thing is that you have to

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get on as a family unit as well. If you do not get on, that is when the

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problems start. Family businesses contributed nearly a quarter of the

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UK's GDP. 3 million small businesses in the UK are run by

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families and they give jobs to 9.2 million people. Between them, they

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generate a turnover of 1.1 trillion pounds per year. Over time, family

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businesses can turn into dynasties. Think of the Rockefellers, trance,

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the Rothschilds. That great wealth can cause great feuds. The story of

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the Gucci family reads like a soap opera. How can families make sure

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their businesses run smoothly? As you can see from the books behind

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the, research into family businesses is a growing field. At

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the forefront, Professor Nigel Nicholson. What are the pros and

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cons of keeping it in the family? When families work well, they are

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grit. They have fantastic family spirit, they make quick decisions

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and they have a telepathic ability to understand each other and they

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are held together by love so they can tell the truth about falling

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apart. However, the other side of that coin is that those things are

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risk factors. Sometimes they are too quick to make decisions and

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conflicts can overspill. Sometimes people end up unable to talk to

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each other for weeks or months because they have fallen out.

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Although the Lazarous admit that they occasionally Baker, Steve and

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Jimmy do their best to keep everybody in mind. -- occasionally

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