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MUSIC: "Introitus from the Requiem" by Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart | 0:00:34 | 0:00:41 | |
# Requiem aeternam | 0:01:07 | 0:01:17 | |
# Requiem aeternam | 0:01:17 | 0:01:23 | |
# Requiem aeternam | 0:01:29 | 0:01:36 | |
# Dona eis, Domine | 0:01:36 | 0:01:41 | |
# Et lux perpetua | 0:01:43 | 0:01:48 | |
# Et lux perpetua | 0:01:48 | 0:01:53 | |
# Luceat | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
# Luceat eis. # | 0:01:58 | 0:02:06 | |
# Te decet hymnus, Deus | 0:02:15 | 0:02:23 | |
# In Sion | 0:02:23 | 0:02:26 | |
# Et tibi reddetur votum | 0:02:30 | 0:02:37 | |
# In Jerusalem | 0:02:37 | 0:02:42 | |
# Exhaudi | 0:02:42 | 0:02:46 | |
Exhaudi | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
# Exhaudi | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
Exhaudi | 0:02:47 | 0:02:50 | |
Exhaudi | 0:02:48 | 0:02:50 | |
# Orationem meam | 0:02:50 | 0:02:57 | |
# Ad te | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
Ad te | 0:02:59 | 0:03:00 | |
# Ad te | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
Ad te | 0:03:02 | 0:03:03 | |
# Omnis caro veniet. # | 0:03:03 | 0:03:12 | |
# Requiem | 0:03:22 | 0:03:30 | |
# Aeternam | 0:03:30 | 0:03:37 | |
# Dona eis | 0:03:42 | 0:03:47 | |
# Domine | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
# Requiem aeternam | 0:03:51 | 0:03:58 | |
-# Requiem -Aeternam Dona eis, Domine | 0:03:58 | 0:04:03 | |
# Dona eis, Domine | 0:04:03 | 0:04:07 | |
# Et lux perpetua | 0:04:07 | 0:04:13 | |
Et lux perpetua | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
# Et lux perpetua | 0:04:13 | 0:04:19 | |
Et lux perpetua | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
# Luceat eis | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
# Et lux perpetua | 0:04:25 | 0:04:33 | |
# Luceat eis. # | 0:04:33 | 0:04:48 | |
I couldn't speak for 30 years about these things. | 0:05:55 | 0:06:00 | |
I wanted to repress... what I had to endure. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:05 | |
It was so awful, I just couldn't talk about it. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:09 | |
If I remember... | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
I remember always only music. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
Everything that was bad and... | 0:06:20 | 0:06:24 | |
I thought we couldn't survive, | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
but with music it was easier. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
They took me to the orchestra. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:39 | |
All the others went to the crematorium, to be burnt there. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:44 | |
They killed my family. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
They killed all my relatives - aunts and cousins and everything. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:56 | |
Everybody. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
Little by little we'd know that everybody was killed, | 0:06:58 | 0:07:02 | |
was asphyxiated, gassed, and everything. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:06 | |
How can you conceive that in this century? | 0:07:06 | 0:07:10 | |
Is it possible to conceive this thing? | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
MUSIC: "Waltz no 2 in C sharp minor" by Frederick Chopin | 0:07:19 | 0:07:26 | |
I think music is something that you can have in your head, | 0:07:29 | 0:07:34 | |
which is completely divorced from what is actually happening outside. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:39 | |
You could retreat on an island... | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
..just to get away from what is happening. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:54 | |
It can act as an escape mechanism. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
It is a sort of spiritual escape, for a few minutes, | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
out of the camp. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
MUSIC: "Mazurka in C sharp minor" by Frederick Chopin | 0:08:18 | 0:08:26 | |
MUSIC: "Waltz in A minor" by Frederick Chopin | 0:10:40 | 0:10:45 | |
I was with my mother. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
We were in one wagon, at least 100 people. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:36 | |
We just could sit. No water, nothing to eat. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:42 | |
And it lasted maybe three days, till we arrived. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
It was written "Arbeit macht frei" - | 0:14:48 | 0:14:52 | |
Working makes you free. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
And in front of us stand Mengele. | 0:14:55 | 0:15:00 | |
And he made to the right and to the left... | 0:15:01 | 0:15:05 | |
To the right went the younger people, to the left old people and children. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:11 | |
And my mother he said to the left, | 0:15:11 | 0:15:14 | |
and she opened her...mouth and said in German, | 0:15:14 | 0:15:19 | |
"I'm still young, I can work. And this is my daughter." | 0:15:19 | 0:15:24 | |
And Mengele said, "OK, go." | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
It's unbelievable what few words saved her life. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:32 | |
Noise. A great deal of noise and dogs barking. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:38 | |
That is the sort of thing I remember. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
And people walking about in black capes. Those were the guards. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
Rumours went about about gas chambers, | 0:15:46 | 0:15:51 | |
but we tried to not believe it, because it seemed too outrageous. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:56 | |
They were choosing us. They were dividing us. | 0:15:56 | 0:16:00 | |
My mother was in another group. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
And...they took my father... | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
in a truck. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
We never had time to say goodbye. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
We didn't even know where he was going. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
The gas crematoriums were just near the camp. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:24 | |
Was just near. Just...opposite this house. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
The other guys were a long time dead. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:33 | |
They told us, "You see these flames? These are your parents." | 0:16:33 | 0:16:39 | |
There were flames, you know. And it was our parents, that. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:46 | |
Everybody. All the transports - they were burning them. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:51 | |
1940 | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
1940 | 0:17:28 | 0:17:29 | |
1940 | 0:17:31 | 0:17:32 | |
1940 | 0:17:33 | 0:17:35 | |
1940 | 0:17:36 | 0:17:38 | |
1940 | 0:17:39 | 0:17:40 | |
1940 | 0:17:41 | 0:17:43 | |
On my birthday | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
On my birthday | 0:17:53 | 0:17:55 | |
The Germans walked in | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
Walked into Holland | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
Germans invaded Hungary | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
I was in second grade | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
I had a teacher | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
I had a teacher | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
A very tall man | 0:18:51 | 0:18:53 | |
His hair was completely plastered smooth | 0:18:53 | 0:18:58 | |
A very tall man | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
His hair was completely plastered smooth | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
A very tall man | 0:19:09 | 0:19:11 | |
He said, "Black crows..." | 0:19:11 | 0:19:14 | |
"Black crows," he said "Black crows invaded our country" | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
He said, "Black crows..." | 0:19:22 | 0:19:24 | |
"..invaded our country many years ago" | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
And then pointed right at me Pointed right at me | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
No more school | 0:19:45 | 0:19:47 | |
No more school | 0:19:49 | 0:19:53 | |
No more school | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
No more school | 0:19:55 | 0:19:57 | |
You must go away | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
You must go away | 0:20:02 | 0:20:04 | |
You must go away | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
And she said, "Quick, go!" | 0:20:16 | 0:20:19 | |
And she said, "Quick!" | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
And she said, "Quick!" And she said, "Quick, go!" | 0:20:27 | 0:20:31 | |
"Quick, go!" | 0:20:31 | 0:20:32 | |
And he said, "Don't breathe!" | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
And he said, "Don't breathe!" | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
And he said, "Don't" He said, "Don't breathe!" | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
And he said, "Don't breathe!" | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
And he said, "Don't breathe!" | 0:20:51 | 0:20:53 | |
And he said, "Don't" He said, "Don't breathe!" | 0:20:54 | 0:20:58 | |
Into those cattle wagons | 0:21:11 | 0:21:14 | |
For four days and four nights | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
For four days and four nights | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
And then we went through these strange sounding names | 0:21:32 | 0:21:37 | |
Strange sounding | 0:21:43 | 0:21:45 | |
And then we went through these strange sounding names | 0:21:50 | 0:21:54 | |
Polish | 0:22:03 | 0:22:05 | |
Polish names | 0:22:12 | 0:22:14 | |
Lots of cattle wagons there | 0:22:14 | 0:22:16 | |
Lots of cattle wagons | 0:22:24 | 0:22:26 | |
Lots of cattle wagons there | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
They were loaded with people | 0:22:43 | 0:22:45 | |
They were loaded with people | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
They shaved us | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
They shaved us | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
They tattooed a number on our arm | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
They tattooed a number on our arm | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
Flames going up in the sky | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
Flames | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
Going up in the sky It was smoking | 0:24:00 | 0:24:05 | |
It was smoking Flames going up in the sky | 0:24:07 | 0:24:11 | |
Flames | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
Going up in the sky | 0:24:14 | 0:24:16 | |
It was smoking It was smoking | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
Going up in the sky It was smoking It was smoking | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
You have your head shaved and a number tattooed on your arm. This is all done by prisoners. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:35 | |
They wanted to know what's going on outside, what you did before. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:40 | |
I don't know what made me say, "I used to play the cello." | 0:25:40 | 0:25:45 | |
So this lady walked in and she said, "You play the cello? Fantastic. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:50 | |
"We have an orchestra here and we have no cello in it." | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
Orchestra in Auschwitz? It somehow didn't... | 0:25:54 | 0:25:58 | |
didn't fit with what I was expecting to happen in Auschwitz. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:02 | |
Well, they put me in a group. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
I don't know how somebody saw me... | 0:26:07 | 0:26:11 | |
Everything is like a miracle, I don't know. A musician was there. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:16 | |
He remembered me from one day before that I was an accordion player. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:22 | |
And he went to the SS and he took me out of the group. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:27 | |
I learnt after, that the group was... | 0:26:27 | 0:26:32 | |
..to go for experiments. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
It must have been three or four weeks afterwards that we arrived. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:42 | |
And I was so hungry. But so hungry. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:46 | |
I went to the first lady, called Blokova, | 0:26:46 | 0:26:50 | |
and I said, "If I sing something, would you give me a piece of bread?" | 0:26:50 | 0:26:55 | |
She said, "Yes. If you sing, you can have a piece of bread." | 0:26:55 | 0:27:00 | |
I said in Hungarian, "And now I will sing for you Madame Butterfly." | 0:27:06 | 0:27:11 | |
So everybody was listening and crying. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:24 | |
And all of a sudden I hear a voice, | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
"Who was singing?" | 0:27:27 | 0:27:29 | |
And this was Irma Grese, | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
a terrible woman. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
And she said to me, "OK, I take you to the orchestra." | 0:27:35 | 0:27:40 | |
So I said, "I'm not going without my mother." | 0:27:40 | 0:27:44 | |
I don't know how I dared to respond like this. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:48 | |
And she said, "OK, you come now with me and your mother I will bring tomorrow." | 0:27:48 | 0:27:54 | |
And she brought her the next day. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:57 | |
And so, this was my lucky day. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
You'd walk out of this quite insignificant gate. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:02 | |
That's where we sat. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:05 | |
The first piece I played with them was "Marche Militaire" by Schubert. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:10 | |
That was our raison d'etre - to play marches. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:14 | |
There was music at the gate for people to march out and for the people to march back in. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:21 | |
Sounds crazy, but there it is. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:23 | |
New trains came, | 0:43:09 | 0:43:12 | |
and usually from Hungary, | 0:43:12 | 0:43:15 | |
then I had to sing at the... | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
inside the camp, but very close to them. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:22 | |
And then usually I had to sing very lively, very... | 0:43:22 | 0:43:27 | |
..I don't remember what kind of songs, but very lively ones. | 0:43:29 | 0:43:34 | |
So they should think, | 0:43:34 | 0:43:36 | |
"Oh, it's not so bad. Look how people sing and...music." | 0:43:36 | 0:43:40 | |
But it was terrible. | 0:43:40 | 0:43:43 | |
You have seen... maybe walk in...500 people. | 0:43:43 | 0:43:50 | |
And nobody came back. | 0:43:51 | 0:43:54 | |
I only asked myself, how could I do it? | 0:43:57 | 0:44:01 | |
Singing and knowing they are going to die in half an hour. | 0:44:01 | 0:44:06 | |
That was it. | 0:44:08 | 0:44:11 | |
We were playing. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:25 | |
Suddenly we see trucks. | 0:44:25 | 0:44:28 | |
And the trucks were full of young girls | 0:44:28 | 0:44:33 | |
who were naked. | 0:44:33 | 0:44:35 | |
Two of my cousins were there. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:39 | |
Young girls. | 0:44:39 | 0:44:41 | |
And they were crying, shouting... | 0:44:41 | 0:44:44 | |
It was, when I remember this... | 0:44:44 | 0:44:48 | |
I can never forget this scene. Never. Never. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:52 | |
They knew they were going to the crematorium. | 0:44:52 | 0:44:55 | |
Always I hear them cry... | 0:44:57 | 0:45:00 | |
and yelling and shouting. | 0:45:00 | 0:45:03 | |
And we're playing music. | 0:45:06 | 0:45:09 | |
That moment you say, "What are we doing? | 0:45:10 | 0:45:14 | |
"Why are we playing music now? | 0:45:14 | 0:45:16 | |
"All these people are going to the crematorium and they know they are." | 0:45:16 | 0:45:21 | |
A lot of trucks. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:24 | |
A lot. One after the other. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:28 | |
Always I am thinking about this thing. I will never forget. | 0:45:28 | 0:45:32 | |
One night, | 0:50:18 | 0:50:21 | |
maybe it was two o'clock, | 0:50:21 | 0:50:24 | |
a German came and said, "Eva und Lili, aufstehen!" - | 0:50:24 | 0:50:28 | |
get up and come. | 0:50:28 | 0:50:31 | |
Lili was from the opera in Prague. | 0:50:31 | 0:50:34 | |
I really was scared. | 0:50:34 | 0:50:37 | |
We went, and there was a very big party. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:44 | |
Some were close to our camp. | 0:50:44 | 0:50:47 | |
And there was Eichmann - the famous Eichmann - and there was Mengele. | 0:50:47 | 0:50:53 | |
They were drunk. | 0:50:53 | 0:50:57 | |
We sang together # Niemand liebt dich so wie ich. # | 0:50:57 | 0:51:02 | |
We were scared. Really scared. We were happy when we came back. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:08 | |
One day Mengele came in and wanted to hear the Traumerei by Schumann. | 0:51:08 | 0:51:13 | |
And that was on my list of things to play. | 0:51:13 | 0:51:17 | |
So my claim to fame is I played the Traumerei to Dr Mengele. | 0:51:17 | 0:51:22 | |
And you know Mengele was the guy who did the experiments on twins. | 0:51:22 | 0:51:27 | |
He experimented on people. | 0:51:27 | 0:51:30 | |
He was a complete enigma. | 0:51:30 | 0:51:32 | |
Mengele obviously liked classical music. How did he know about the Traumerei? | 0:51:32 | 0:51:38 | |
What was he dreaming about? | 0:51:38 | 0:51:41 | |
The officers would come - some officers - | 0:51:41 | 0:51:46 | |
and they ordered to play music for them. | 0:51:46 | 0:51:50 | |
They were almost crying. | 0:51:50 | 0:51:53 | |
The Germans, you know. The SS. | 0:51:56 | 0:51:59 | |
It was ridiculous. They were crying there... | 0:52:00 | 0:52:03 | |
outside they could kill you. | 0:52:03 | 0:52:06 | |
They could come with a dog and they could kill you. | 0:52:06 | 0:52:11 | |
Can you imagine the irony of all this? | 0:52:11 | 0:52:14 | |
Many times I was asking myself, | 0:52:14 | 0:52:17 | |
"Are we for real, here?" | 0:52:17 | 0:52:20 | |
I know people often talk about it as a terrible thing, to play music - | 0:58:33 | 0:58:40 | |
how could you play? | 0:58:40 | 0:58:42 | |
You know, in situations like that, you don't ask what can you do. | 0:58:42 | 0:58:47 | |
You are in a camp and people give you an instrument to play. | 0:58:47 | 0:58:52 | |
And I think it is very... I don't know what the expression is, | 0:58:52 | 0:58:56 | |
sort of idealistic to think that anybody in their right minds | 0:58:56 | 0:59:01 | |
would have said, "No, I'm sorry. I won't play here." | 0:59:01 | 0:59:05 | |
Ultimately, everybody wants to survive. | 0:59:05 | 0:59:09 | |
I sang because I had to... I didn't sing because I wanted. | 0:59:09 | 0:59:15 | |
They forced me to sing, even if I wouldn't have wanted it. | 0:59:15 | 0:59:20 | |
We didn't have too much time to think about the moral aspect of playing music in a camp. | 0:59:20 | 0:59:26 | |
I don't think it was immoral. | 0:59:26 | 0:59:28 | |
The immorality was with the Germans, not with us. | 0:59:28 | 0:59:33 | |
They reduced us to nobodies. | 1:00:44 | 1:00:47 | |
Creatures. | 1:00:47 | 1:00:50 | |
We were living in an abyss of... | 1:00:52 | 1:00:55 | |
..unspeakable terror. | 1:00:56 | 1:00:59 | |
And we were trying to play music well. | 1:00:59 | 1:01:03 | |
It seems crazy now, but it somehow can lift you out of the...shit. | 1:01:03 | 1:01:08 | |
That's what it was. | 1:01:09 | 1:01:12 | |
Subtitles by Isabel Plaza BBC Broadcast - 2005 | 1:27:29 | 1:27:33 | |
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