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The reason why I wanted to start up | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
a period-instrument orchestra, 25 years ago, | 0:00:09 | 0:00:13 | |
called the Orchestre Revolutionnaire et Romantique, | 0:00:13 | 0:00:17 | |
was because, at the time, | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
symphony orchestras were still playing Beethoven | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
as though he was a much later 19th-century Romantic composer, | 0:00:22 | 0:00:27 | |
rather than the firebrand that we all know that he really was. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:32 | |
And that's the quality that we are trying to capture | 0:00:33 | 0:00:37 | |
in our rehearsals leading up to the performance of this symphony. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:41 | |
And by performing his music on instruments that he himself | 0:00:42 | 0:00:47 | |
would have heard and recognised, | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
paradoxically, you're getting back to something much more raw, | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
and much more immediate and contemporary, than the very plush, | 0:00:52 | 0:00:57 | |
well-rounded sounds of a modern orchestra. | 0:00:57 | 0:00:59 | |
Also, it was a continuity. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
It was a wonderful way of carrying my other orchestra, | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
the English Baroque Soloists, into the 19th century. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:11 | |
And the challenges are immense, because these | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
instruments of Beethoven's are hugely fragile and compromised. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:20 | |
If you push them too hard, they splinter, they crack, they squawk. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:26 | |
You're using gut strings, which have a habit of cracking, | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
and splitting and breaking under pressure. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
You are using woodwind instruments that are much less | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
technically rounded and smooth than their modern counterparts. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:40 | |
And you are using brass instruments that can't play | 0:01:40 | 0:01:42 | |
the whole chromatic scale without - particularly the horns - | 0:01:42 | 0:01:46 | |
without all sorts of kind of manipulations | 0:01:46 | 0:01:48 | |
of the left hand inside the bell. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
I mean, those are extraordinary difficult technical challenges | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
and yet they are marvellously rewarding if you can overcome them, | 0:01:54 | 0:01:58 | |
because the result is that you get | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
a much more multilayered strata of sounds, | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
not all kind of curdling and amalgamating, | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
in the way that they do, or they tend to do, | 0:02:07 | 0:02:09 | |
in a modern symphony orchestra. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
So we're going to show you some of the processes | 0:02:12 | 0:02:14 | |
that we have been going through before arriving at a performance. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:18 | |
OK, OK. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:28 | |
OK, OK, OK. Now, Michael, tell us about your instrument. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:35 | |
Here's the classical instrument and the modern instrument. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
It will be higher and sharper, so don't get irritated. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
The same - this is from the first movement. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:02 | |
To me, that's much more vocal. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:18 | |
The first is wonderfully smooth and euphonious, | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
and homogene, homogeneous. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
The second, the historical instrument, | 0:03:25 | 0:03:27 | |
has a much more personal quality to it. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
Which is very, very good for darker... | 0:03:29 | 0:03:32 | |
-So you've got a greater colour range, essentially. -Yes. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
David, talk us about this instrument that you're playing. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:39 | |
This is a copy of a Viennese contrabassoon of 1810. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:43 | |
So it's basically very, very similar to that. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
The reeds are much, much bigger than the modern contrabassoon, | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
much bigger than the ordinary bassoon. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:51 | |
They're absolutely huge - take a lot of control. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
-Do you want me to play something? -Yes, please do. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
-Show us the range and the colours. -OK, the range. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:01 | |
Have you had enough? | 0:04:16 | 0:04:17 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
But the amazing thing is the clarity. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
I mean, you know, with a modern set-up, you wouldn't get that. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
I mean, I've struggled with modern bassoons, contrabassoons, | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
to get that degree of definition. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:30 | |
And you get it. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:31 | |
How is it with the trumpet, Neil? | 0:04:31 | 0:04:33 | |
I'll just demonstrate quickly that passage from the slow movement. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:38 | |
It's like on the field of battle, isn't it? | 0:04:58 | 0:05:00 | |
That's like a clarion call. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:01 | |
If I were to play the same thing on the modern instrument | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
at the same volume, that fits with the orchestra, | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
it's not such an exciting sound. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
So to get that exciting sound on the modern trumpet, | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
you've really got to give it one. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:25 | |
HE PLAYS LOUDLY | 0:05:25 | 0:05:30 | |
Which is goodnight to the rest of the orchestra! | 0:05:36 | 0:05:38 | |
Yeah, it completely wipes the whole orchestra out. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:42 | |
'But the wonderful thing of doing the symphony | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
'with the Orchestre Revolutionnaire et Romantique is | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
'that they all get excited by the music as much as I do. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
'There's nothing routine. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:10 | |
'There's nothing kind of perfunctory about it. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
'It's very committed | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
'and it's hugely exciting, therefore, to conduct this piece.' | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
C'est beau. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:30 | |
Yum... | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
Good. That's lovely. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
It's the first symphony I ever played, | 0:06:41 | 0:06:43 | |
with the Fife Youth Orchestra when I was 13, | 0:06:43 | 0:06:45 | |
and I can't imagine how terrible it sounded | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
but the effect it had on me as a kid was just mind-blowing. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:51 | |
The Fifth Symphony is much more about all of us as individuals, | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
and what contours, what terrible ups and downs our lives take. | 0:06:55 | 0:07:01 | |
This music gives you the space to actually improvise every time | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
and especially on these instruments that we play, you know, | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
because you have to reconnect to the present, | 0:07:09 | 0:07:11 | |
you have to reconnect to the state of the wood. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
It just gives you the space to just be wild and be who you are. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:19 | |
And with this music, when I start to play it, | 0:07:19 | 0:07:23 | |
I have to make it my life, basically. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
I have to talk about my life, and if I'm honest in my playing, | 0:07:26 | 0:07:30 | |
the listener has something to connect to. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
How do we overcome the grisly overfamiliarity of the music? | 0:07:57 | 0:08:04 | |
It's a bit like having an old Rembrandt painting or something, | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
or a wonderful great work. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:09 | |
You keep looking at it, | 0:08:09 | 0:08:10 | |
and there is always something there for you to see. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
And I think this Beethoven Fifth Symphony is a classic... | 0:08:13 | 0:08:18 | |
work of art that will never die. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
Wonderful though a Rembrandt is, or a Bernini statue, | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
or a Caravaggio or whatever it is, it stays the same. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
You walk round it, you look at it from different angles, | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
in different lights, but it's the same. You can't alter it. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
But we can. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:34 | |
We have this ability as musicians to bring to life in the instant, | 0:08:34 | 0:08:38 | |
in a specific timeframe, in a new context, | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
music that looks dead and on the page is nothing, | 0:08:41 | 0:08:45 | |
but becomes a living tissue, a series of tissues, and that is... | 0:08:45 | 0:08:50 | |
That is a huge privilege and an enormous challenge that we have. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:55 | |
And... You know... | 0:08:55 | 0:08:56 | |
For me, this music of Beethoven | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
is as urgent now as it's ever been in my lifetime, | 0:08:59 | 0:09:03 | |
and probably even in his. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
It has an outreach, and an applicability, and a relevance, | 0:09:06 | 0:09:10 | |
and an ability to transform life, | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
if we really, really let rip. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 |