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-Aberfan today -looks exactly like a bomb site. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
-I can't comprehend -the extent of the damage. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
-Just after nine o'clock on -the morning of 21 October 1966... | 0:00:16 | 0:00:20 | |
-..116 children -and 28 adults were killed... | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
-..when a coal spoil tip above -the village of Aberfan collapsed. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:29 | |
-We won't know the death toll -until late this evening. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:33 | |
-People were calling for -clear answers to simple questions. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:40 | |
-What caused the disaster -and who was to blame? | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
-It would've been better for everyone -if this spoil tip... | 0:00:43 | 0:00:47 | |
-..had remained in the colliery. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
-That was the saddest thing -I've ever witnessed in my life. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:55 | |
-Merely a month following -the disaster, on 9 November 1966... | 0:00:56 | 0:01:01 | |
-..a tribunal was held -to uncover the truth. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
-Solicitors, barristers and -journalists came in their droves... | 0:01:05 | 0:01:10 | |
-..along with many Aberfan parents. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
-Mothers, fathers and relatives came -to hear evidence and get answers... | 0:01:14 | 0:01:20 | |
-..just as the tribunal's chairman -had promised. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:24 | |
-The Attorney General -made his address to a crowded hall. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:28 | |
-There were no cameras -to record the tribunal... | 0:01:28 | 0:01:32 | |
-..so, -for the first time in 50 years... | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
-..we'll hear some of the inquiry's -most poignant accounts. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:39 | |
-What happened in Aberfan... | 0:01:40 | 0:01:42 | |
-..was one of the biggest disasters -of the modern era. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:46 | |
-For 76 days... | 0:01:46 | 0:01:48 | |
-..the tribunal questioned, -challenged and scrutinized. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
-It presented its findings -within months. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:55 | |
-But no-one here felt as though -the full truth had been exposed... | 0:01:56 | 0:02:00 | |
-..prompting -a lengthy and bitter campaign. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:05 | |
-A battle for justice. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
-Workmen on the mountain -above Aberfan... | 0:02:23 | 0:02:26 | |
-..were the first to realize -that a disaster was about to happen. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:31 | |
-They witnessed tip number seven, -which was 100 feet tall... | 0:02:31 | 0:02:35 | |
-..rise a little... | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
-..and then collapse suddenly with -force, causing it to slide downhill. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:43 | |
-In their panic, the workers -ran downhill to alert the locals... | 0:02:43 | 0:02:48 | |
-..but it was too late. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:50 | |
-Within minutes, -144 people were killed... | 0:02:50 | 0:02:54 | |
-..116 of whom were children. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
-Some of the men who were with us -ran downhill... | 0:03:04 | 0:03:08 | |
-..not knowing where they were going. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
-Some of them reached the school... | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
-..and rescued some of the children -before the slide engulfed them. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:20 | |
-Over the five decades that ensued... | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
-..the main focus has been the loss -of human life and the grief. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:31 | |
-Everybody understands that. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:33 | |
-But half a century later, the people -of Aberfan have every right... | 0:03:33 | 0:03:38 | |
-..to question what happened. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
-Could the disaster -have been averted? | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
-Who was primarily to blame? | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
-And why has it taken so long to -uncover the truth and get justice? | 0:03:46 | 0:03:52 | |
-Thousands flocked to Aberfan... | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
-..though the absence of one person -was significant. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
-The chairman of the National Coal -Board, Alf Robens, Lord Robens. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:06 | |
-He was responsible -for the coal industry... | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
-..a public body -responsible for the tips... | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
-..where debris from the colliery -was deposited. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
-While hundreds of colliers -flocked to Aberfan to help... | 0:04:16 | 0:04:20 | |
-..Alf Robens was too busy. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
-He was in Guildford... | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
-..for his investiture -as Chancellor of Surrey University. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
-I am not an engineer, I can't -take charge of rescue operations... | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
-..so I despatched -the best man in my industry... | 0:04:32 | 0:04:36 | |
-..that is -the chief mining engineer... | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
-..to ensure everything is done -in a physical way to rescue people. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
-It took the best part of two days... | 0:04:44 | 0:04:46 | |
-..for the chairman -to visit the village. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
-When Lord Robens -arrived in Aberfan... | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
-..the rescue effort -turned into a quest to find remains. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
-Robens was busy giving interviews -to the press and media. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
-He was asked one simple question. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
-Was it possible to have known... | 0:05:03 | 0:05:05 | |
-..that the tip -was dangerous before the tragedy? | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
-He said, -"It was impossible to know... | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
-"..that there was a spring -in the heart of this tip... | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
-"..turning the mountain to slush." | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
-That's the answer he gave to many. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
-There has been -an underground spring... | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
-..which has now been uncovered. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
-We have our normal procedures -for ensuring that pits are safe... | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
-..but we have no procedure... | 0:05:32 | 0:05:34 | |
-..that tells us -there's a spring under a mountain. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
-Robens' claim that there was -a hidden natural spring... | 0:05:38 | 0:05:42 | |
-..had shocked villagers... | 0:05:42 | 0:05:44 | |
-..since many had drawn attention -to the dangers in the past. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
-Warnings had already been issued... | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
-..and we've often been plagued... | 0:05:51 | 0:05:56 | |
-..by landslides and floods... | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
-..especially in winter. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
-It's important -to establish one thing right away. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
-Many claimed -the disaster was unforeseeable. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:15 | |
-That there had been no signs. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:17 | |
-Let's be polite. That's a lie. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
-Here's one example from a long list. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
-In January 1965, -two Pantglas mothers... | 0:06:23 | 0:06:25 | |
-..presented a petition -to the school's headmistress. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
-Why? | 0:06:29 | 0:06:31 | |
-They were -fed up of floods in this area. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
-Each day they brought -their children along this road... | 0:06:34 | 0:06:38 | |
-..and walked up to the school -behind the centre. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
-Debris would regularly fall from -the mountain and block the drains. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
-The road was waterlogged. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:48 | |
-The mothers could tell there -was a problem but nobody listened. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
-The photo of Anne Jennings accepting -the petition from local parents... | 0:06:56 | 0:07:01 | |
-..highlighted the concern... | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
-..that spoil debris -was sliding from these tips. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
-Seeing her in the photograph... | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
-..emphasises the fact that she was -responsible for the children... | 0:07:11 | 0:07:16 | |
-..and that she had concerns -about the situation... | 0:07:16 | 0:07:20 | |
-..before the disaster happened. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
-What happened to that petition? | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
-It was submitted to the council -and that was the end of the matter. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:31 | |
-Regarding the two mothers... | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
-..they lost children -in the disaster. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
-The headmistress lost her life too. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
-In many ways, -the photograph of the three women... | 0:07:40 | 0:07:44 | |
-..is a powerful symbol -of missed opportunities in Aberfan. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:48 | |
-Another opportunity -was missed in January 1964. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:52 | |
-Local councillor Gwyneth Thomas -warned that if the tip slid... | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
-..the school would be at risk. | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
-Another warning that was ignored. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
-Gradually it emerged... | 0:08:02 | 0:08:04 | |
-..that the warnings by residents and -the local council had been ignored. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:10 | |
-As a result, the Labour government -took a positive stand. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
-The weekend after the tragedy, -the government announced... | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
-..there would be -an official inquiry. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:20 | |
-Choosing the chairman of the inquiry -would be vital... | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
-..to the inquiry's credibility. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
-People here were concerned that -the truth wouldn't be uncovered. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:32 | |
-The choice of chairman -had interesting qualifications. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:36 | |
-An experienced judge... | 0:08:36 | 0:08:38 | |
-..a Welshman with good knowledge -of the local area. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:42 | |
-I should hate to think -that anybody... | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
-..would connect me -with any whitewashing exercise. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
-I should decline to have -anything to do with an inquiry... | 0:08:49 | 0:08:53 | |
-..which was motivated -by considerations of whitewashing. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:57 | |
-You have to come over the mountain -to this school in Mountain Ash... | 0:08:58 | 0:09:02 | |
-..in order to sense -this man's strength of character. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:08 | |
-Edmund Davies. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
-This was the sculpture, unveiled -by himself, during the inquiry. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
-Yes, he was -a prominent judge in his day. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
-He was famous for sentencing -the Great Train Robbers... | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
-..but more importantly, -he was a man of the Valleys. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:26 | |
-He knew these communities -better than anyone. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
-Because of that, he was the -perfect choice to chair the inquiry. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:34 | |
-The official inquiry -had a Welsh feel... | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
-..and that was purely intentional. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
-Tasker Watkins, a former soldier and -recipient of the Victoria Cross... | 0:09:41 | 0:09:45 | |
-..was the counsel. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
-It was his job to present -the evidence and question witnesses. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:52 | |
-Other Welsh barristers -were involved... | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
-..but the families -took a radical decision. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
-They were keen -to appoint someone from outside. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
-Someone with no connection -to the coal board. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
-Englishman Desmond Ackner was one -of the era's brightest barristers. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:10 | |
-The inquiry was held -at Merthyr technical college... | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
-..rather than Aberfan. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
-The building -has changed a lot since then. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
-Surprisingly, the inquiry began only -a month after the disaster happened. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:24 | |
-In those early days, -there was intense media coverage. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:29 | |
-There's little wonder since Aberfan -became known throughout the world. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:35 | |
-At 10.15am this morning, -the Aberfan Tribunal convened. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:43 | |
-It will continue for six weeks. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:45 | |
-On the first day of the tribunal, -frightening evidence was presented. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
-Water on the mountain -had been marked on maps... | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
-..and clear warnings -had been ignored. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:56 | |
-It appeared as though -the case was straightforward. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
-But when barrister Philip Wien -stood up to represent the NCB... | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
-..it became clear early on that -things would be more complicated. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:10 | |
-The board's view -is that the disaster was due to... | 0:11:11 | 0:11:13 | |
-..a coincidence of -a set of geological factors... | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
-..each of which in itself -is not exceptional... | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
-..but which collectively created -a critical geological environment. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:25 | |
-The prime cause of the disaster -is therefore... | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
-..geological. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:31 | |
-The NCB's main message was that -it wasn't culpable for the disaster. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:35 | |
-They claimed it was -a combination of geological factors. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
-This provided the basis for one -of the tribunal's biggest battles. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:44 | |
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-At the beginning of the inquiry, -the coal board claimed... | 0:11:51 | 0:11:56 | |
-..that the Aberfan disaster -was unforeseeable. | 0:11:56 | 0:12:00 | |
-The were special circumstances, -and Aberfan's geology and so on. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:04 | |
-A theory supported by the London -press, including The Sunday Times. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:09 | |
-But within minutes, -Desmond Ackner... | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
-..the barrister representing -the Aberfan families... | 0:12:12 | 0:12:16 | |
-..disregarded the notion. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
-He believed the NCB was to blame. -It had been unforgivably negligent. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:24 | |
-Hearing about its negligence caused -added heartache for the families. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:30 | |
-Feelings which must've been -heightened at the hearing... | 0:12:30 | 0:12:34 | |
-..of the folly and neglect... | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
-..which appear to be -the irresistible inferences... | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
-..to be drawn from the facts. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:43 | |
-Early in the inquiry, evidence -was given by eyewitnesses... | 0:12:43 | 0:12:47 | |
-..describing -what had happened on the day. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
-Some of the men who'd worked on tip -No.7 years before the disaster... | 0:12:50 | 0:12:56 | |
-..were questioned afterwards. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:58 | |
-Leslie Davies -was questioned by Tasker Watkins... | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
-..the tribunal's barrister. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
-Did you notice a spring upon -the land over which the tip spread? | 0:13:05 | 0:13:09 | |
-Yes, sir. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
-Had anybody ever warned you that it -was dangerous to tip over a spring? | 0:13:11 | 0:13:15 | |
-Nobody ever warned me, sir. -My own experience. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
-I knew it was dangerous -to tip over any water. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
-I must ask you why you went on -tipping over streams and a spring. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:27 | |
-That had nothing at all -to do with me, sir. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
-I just take orders. -I'm not an official of the colliery. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:35 | |
-From the outset, the presence of -water under the tip was made clear. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:40 | |
-On Merthyr Mountain today, -there's little evidence... | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
-..of what existed here -50 years ago... | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
-..apart from this unusual terrain -where they removed the tips. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:52 | |
-It was dangerous -to be up here in the '60s. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
-A mere three years -before the '66 disaster... | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
-..another tip -collapsed above Aberfan. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
-It didn't reach the village... | 0:14:01 | 0:14:04 | |
-..but Ackner was keen -to hear the response back then. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
-Did anyone tell you you should -stop tipping after the 1963 slide? | 0:14:08 | 0:14:13 | |
-No, sir. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:15 | |
-You continued -to carry out your daily work... | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
-..of tipping -on the top of tip No.7? | 0:14:18 | 0:14:21 | |
-Filling up the hole -which had emptied itself out? | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
-Yes, sir. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
-Has the tip slipped before? | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
-Yes, it came down to the canal banks -behind the school. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:35 | |
-When was this? | 0:14:35 | 0:14:36 | |
-When was this? - -A couple of years ago. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:38 | |
-You think it's been dangerous -for many years? | 0:14:38 | 0:14:42 | |
-I'd say it's still dangerous. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:44 | |
-Two days later, after more shocking -evidence from the tip workers... | 0:14:44 | 0:14:49 | |
-..about the presence of a stream -on the mountain... | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
-..Chairman Edmund Davies -made a definite statement. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:57 | |
-The coal board -was contradicting its staff. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
-It acknowledged the presence of -water but claimed it wasn't visible. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:05 | |
-Edmund Davies was determined... | 0:15:06 | 0:15:08 | |
-..to get the coal board -to acknowledge basic facts. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:11 | |
-Was it possible for his workers -to see water on tip No.7... | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
-..when the tip was erected? | 0:15:16 | 0:15:17 | |
-..when the tip was erected? - -I'm going to get this clear... | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
-..before this tribunal continues. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:22 | |
-Philip Wien's answer -highlighted the board's attitude. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
-It wasn't their place -to acknowledge any facts... | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
-..and they weren't ready to yield. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:32 | |
-..and they weren't ready to yield. - -It is not my position... | 0:15:32 | 0:15:34 | |
-..for the coal board to concede -anything before a tribunal... | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
-..inquiring into these matters. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:41 | |
-As the first phase of the tribunal -ended before Christmas... | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
-..it appeared that the NCB -intended to refute any suggestion... | 0:15:46 | 0:15:50 | |
-..that the disaster was foreseeable. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
-However, there was clear evidence -that warnings had been ignored. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:58 | |
-The South Wales Valleys were very -aware of the dangers of the tips... | 0:16:00 | 0:16:04 | |
-..regardless -of what the NCB was saying. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
-The biggest warning came -right here in Aberfan in 1944... | 0:16:08 | 0:16:14 | |
-..when tip No.4 slid downhill -and almost reached the village. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:19 | |
-It took the same path -as tip No.7's collapse in 1966. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:24 | |
-Consider this. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:26 | |
-The people -responsible for the tips' safety... | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
-..were in an office -the other side of the valley. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
-They had -a perfect view of the mountain. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
-They could -see the damage from 1944 onwards. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
-They had no excuse -to say nobody was aware. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
-One of those men was Vivian Thomas, -a colliery engineer at Merthyr Vale. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:49 | |
-He was responsible -for the condition of the tips. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
-When he appeared -before the tribunal... | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
-..he was asked -if a stream was visible... | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
-..before tip No.7 was built. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
-Was that water in the way -of anything proposed to tip on No.7? | 0:17:01 | 0:17:06 | |
-No, sir. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:07 | |
-No, sir. - -How can you answer that question? | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
-Earlier you told us -there had been no decision... | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
-..as to how far -the tipping of tip No.7 was to go. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
-As far as I was concerned, -tip 7 could go to the boundary. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
-Suppose it went to the boundary... | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
-..are you saying -it would go over none of the water? | 0:17:23 | 0:17:27 | |
-No, I don't think so, sir. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:30 | |
-The man responsible for the tips -denied there was water visible. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:37 | |
-However, earlier evidence claimed -the tip had been erected... | 0:17:37 | 0:17:42 | |
-..on top of a spring. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:44 | |
-The tribunal had to decide -who was telling the truth. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:48 | |
-This is where -Vivian Thomas' office was situated. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
-This is the former site -of Merthyr Vale colliery. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:55 | |
-They had a system whereby the coal -debris was transported in trams... | 0:17:55 | 0:17:59 | |
-..across the river -up to the summit of the mountain. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
-The coal tips -cast a huge shadow over the valley. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:07 | |
-For those -who worked at this coalmine... | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
-..the tips -were far enough away from them. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
-The coal board's regional managers -were just as disconnected. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:22 | |
-They hadn't given Vivian Thomas -any advice on managing the tips. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:28 | |
-Desmond Ackner was keen to show how -negligent the managers had been... | 0:18:29 | 0:18:34 | |
-..placing all the responsibility on -someone with no relevant experience. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:39 | |
-If you'd seen any irregularity... | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
-..would you -have reported it to somebody? | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
-I would've done. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:45 | |
-I would've done. - -Because you had no training... | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
-..to draw any conclusion -from any irregularity you saw. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:50 | |
-Yes, sir. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:52 | |
-By the time -Vivian Thomas finished... | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
-..it was clear that no-one -had given him help or advice... | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
-..and that nothing had changed -after the previous accidents. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:04 | |
-There came another warning -only six miles away from Aberfan. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:09 | |
-At one time there were coal tips -everywhere in the Valleys. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:13 | |
-In December 1939... | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
-..this tip slid downhill -to the fringes of Cilfynydd... | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
-..creating an almighty mess. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
-It's hard to believe -that no-one was killed back then. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:26 | |
-180,000 tonnes of waste... | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
-..came gushing down the mountain. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
-A huge mess on an industrial scale. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
-When they saw what had happened, -the colliery owners were startled. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:39 | |
-Collieries -were privatised back then. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
-They decided to draft -new guidelines for tipping safely. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:47 | |
-These guidelines were put in a memo -called the Powell Memo. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
-When the National Coal Board -was formed in 1947... | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
-..the memo was transferred to them. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
-The memo clearly stated -not to tip on top of water... | 0:19:59 | 0:20:03 | |
-..the dangers of tipping -on steep slopes... | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
-..and even height restrictions -for tips on sites such as Aberfan. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:12 | |
-The Powell Memo suddenly -became the focus of the tribunal. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:17 | |
-One of the coal board's witnesses, -David Lewis Roberts... | 0:20:17 | 0:20:22 | |
-..knew about the Powell Memo. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:24 | |
-He was responsible for the tips -of Aberfan and other collieries. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:29 | |
-He saw the outcome of the slide -in Cilfynydd. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
-From that time onwards, -Mr Roberts... | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
-..you needed no instruction in -the effect of a colliery tip slide. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:40 | |
-No, sir. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
-As well as Cilfynydd... | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
-..Roberts knew -of a more recent slide too. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
-We've travelled -a few miles from Cilfynydd... | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
-..heading towards the Rhondda. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
-This is one of -the last wheels in South Wales. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
-This is Ty Mawr colliery, -and it was here on 29 March 1965... | 0:20:58 | 0:21:03 | |
-..that another incident happened, 18 -months before the Aberfan tragedy. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:09 | |
-A load of waste -fell from the top of the tip... | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
-..causing damage to the railway, -the main road and the riverbanks. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:17 | |
-If it had happened at any other time -people would've lost their lives. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:22 | |
-There was also a possibility -of the waste falling into the shaft. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:27 | |
-The regional engineer decided -that it was time to take action. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:32 | |
-He remembered -about the memo that was written... | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
-..after the incident at Cilfynydd. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:38 | |
-He sought the Powell Memo. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
-What happened to that document? | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
-It was delivered to -all the chief engineers in the area. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:56 | |
-It was an order -for them to work together... | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
-..to scrutinize the condition -of the coal tips and report back. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:03 | |
-In Aberfan, -it was David Lewis Roberts' duty... | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
-..and that of Robert Exley, -a civil engineer. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
-The truth is that these two men -refused to adhere to the order. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:16 | |
-Roberts gave a very superficial -report and Exley submitted nothing. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:21 | |
-It has to be said that -the responses of these two men... | 0:22:21 | 0:22:25 | |
-..had been wholly insufficient. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:27 | |
-Tasker Watkins asked Lewis -how he responded to the Powell Memo. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:33 | |
-He was ordered -to work with Robert Exley... | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
-..in order to draft a report. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:39 | |
-The tribunal didn't understand -why Roberts ignored the order... | 0:22:39 | 0:22:44 | |
-..and wrote a feeble report himself. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
-You and Mr Exley -were on quite good terms, were you? | 0:22:47 | 0:22:51 | |
-Reasonably good terms, I'd say. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
-Why do you qualify it in that way? | 0:22:54 | 0:22:56 | |
-Why do you qualify it in that way? - -We would talk together... | 0:22:56 | 0:22:58 | |
-..but we'd fall out quite a lot -on various jobs. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
-There were strained relations -between you and Mr Exley? | 0:23:02 | 0:23:07 | |
-I wouldn't like to -emphasise too much on that... | 0:23:07 | 0:23:11 | |
-..but I would say yes, my lord. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:13 | |
-OK, thank you. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:15 | |
-The relationship between both men -had broken down... | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
-..which resulted -in an inadequate response. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:22 | |
-Dangers at Aberfan -hadn't been reported. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
-There's another dimension to David -Roberts' role in Aberfan's story. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:31 | |
-To learn more about that -you must come here... | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
-..to Dowlais public library -on the outskirts of Merthyr. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
-This is a collection of letters -sent to the tribunal. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
-The title says it all. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:47 | |
-Danger from Coal Slurry being tipped -at the rear of the Pantglas Schools. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:52 | |
-Officials at Merthyr Council... | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
-..regularly complained -about the condition of coal tips. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:58 | |
-David Roberts was responsible, he -acted on behalf of the coal board. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:03 | |
-It's obvious -he didn't take his role seriously. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
-Listen to this sentence -from Merthyr's chief engineer... | 0:24:07 | 0:24:11 | |
-..back in August 1963. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
-"You are no doubt well aware -that the tips at Merthyr Vale... | 0:24:13 | 0:24:17 | |
-"..tower above the Pantglas area, -and if they were to move... | 0:24:17 | 0:24:21 | |
-"..a very serious position -would accrue." | 0:24:22 | 0:24:25 | |
-David Roberts' response was, "Don't -worry, everything's under control." | 0:24:25 | 0:24:31 | |
-A day after Roberts gave evidence... | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
-..his co-worker, civil engineer -Robert Exley, was questioned. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
-While Roberts -drafted a feeble report... | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
-..Exley submitted nothing at all. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:44 | |
-What would've happened -if he'd followed his instruction? | 0:24:44 | 0:24:49 | |
-If you'd carried out -a detailed examination... | 0:24:49 | 0:24:53 | |
-..you would've established -that the precautions were lacking. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
-Probably, yes. | 0:24:57 | 0:24:58 | |
-Probably, yes. - -Certainly, Mr Exley. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
-Bear in mind -the length of your qualifications... | 0:25:00 | 0:25:04 | |
-..and the extent -of your expertise... | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
-..with certainty, would you not? | 0:25:06 | 0:25:09 | |
-Yes, I think so, -with some investigation. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
-This was important. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:14 | |
-Exley admitted -that if he'd examined tip No.7... | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
-..as the Powell Memo had instructed, -he would've had to condemn the tip. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:23 | |
-And so, in 1965... | 0:25:24 | 0:25:25 | |
-..if local experts -had heeded their instruction... | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
-..the dangers at Aberfan -would've been exposed. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:33 | |
-The NCB's argument that the disaster -had been unforeseeable... | 0:25:33 | 0:25:37 | |
-..was starting to unravel. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
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-Subtitles - -Subtitles | 0:25:43 | 0:25:45 | |
-Throughout the inquiry, the -coal board's solicitors argued... | 0:25:49 | 0:25:53 | |
-..that no-one could've predicted -the disaster and prevented it. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:57 | |
-When William Sheppard, an NCB -senior official, gave evidence... | 0:25:57 | 0:26:02 | |
-..the legal arguments -were weakening. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:05 | |
-Sheppard even denied -that the headquarters in London... | 0:26:05 | 0:26:09 | |
-..knew nothing of -historical incidents in South Wales. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:13 | |
-There was surely sufficient known -about the potential for tips... | 0:26:14 | 0:26:18 | |
-..on inclined surfaces to slide... | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
-..was there not? | 0:26:21 | 0:26:23 | |
-..was there not? - -Not as far as I'm concerned. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
-Throughout the inquiry, Desmond -Ackner reminded the tribunal... | 0:26:28 | 0:26:33 | |
-..about Lord Robens' odd statement -at the outset... | 0:26:33 | 0:26:37 | |
-..about an unknown spring -under tip No.7. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:41 | |
-Not a single NCB official could -support or explain that statement. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:47 | |
-In his final summation -to the tribunal... | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
-..Ackner had criticized Robens -to such an extent... | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
-..that the NCB Chairman decided to -appear in order to defend himself. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:59 | |
-He was questioned -about his original statement... | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
-..in which he said it was impossible -to have known about the spring. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:06 | |
-After several hours, -Robens made an important statement. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:11 | |
-When did you first learn that the -causes were reasonably foreseeable? | 0:27:11 | 0:27:16 | |
-When I was on the mountainside -and I saw the work being done... | 0:27:17 | 0:27:21 | |
-..to turn that water -away from the tip and to channel it. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:25 | |
-Had there been experts about... | 0:27:25 | 0:27:27 | |
-..to recognize that on a -mountainside, where there's water... | 0:27:27 | 0:27:31 | |
-..this could be said -to have been foreseeable. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
-Lord Robens' appearance... | 0:27:36 | 0:27:38 | |
-..before the tribunal -had therefore changed everything. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:43 | |
-If he and the NCB -had acknowledged on the first day... | 0:27:44 | 0:27:48 | |
-..what they acknowledged -on the 70th day... | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
-..they could've avoided -most of the tribunal's work. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:56 | |
-They agreed -that the disaster was foreseeable. | 0:27:56 | 0:28:00 | |
-They agreed they didn't have -a proper policy for the tips... | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
-..and they admitted there was -nothing special about the geology. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:09 | |
-In private, -the coal board's solicitors... | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
-..had been -rejecting demands for compensation. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
-But following Lord Robens' -appearance before the tribunal... | 0:28:16 | 0:28:20 | |
-..everything changed. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
-The board agreed to pay Aberfan -parents the minimum legal fee... | 0:28:22 | 0:28:26 | |
-..equating to 500 -for each child who was killed. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:30 | |
-Later, on day 70 of the inquiry... | 0:28:30 | 0:28:34 | |
-..Desmond Ackner -delivered his closing statement... | 0:28:35 | 0:28:39 | |
-..on behalf of the families. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
-It was a powerful combination -of emotion and profundity. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:45 | |
-Those who died in this disaster... | 0:28:45 | 0:28:47 | |
-..lost their lives not because -of the occupational hazards... | 0:28:48 | 0:28:52 | |
-..which are ever present -in these mining valleys. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
-There was no sudden collapse -of an underground working... | 0:28:55 | 0:28:59 | |
-..no unforeseen explosion. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
-This was -a slow-growing, man-made menace... | 0:29:03 | 0:29:07 | |
-..fed by -the indifference of those... | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
-..who should -never have permitted its existence. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:14 | |
-That is the horror of this disaster. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:16 | |
-There can be -no more bitter reminder... | 0:29:18 | 0:29:21 | |
-..of the truth and wisdom -of Bernard Shaw's condemnation. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:25 | |
-"The worst sin towards our fellows -is not to hate them... | 0:29:25 | 0:29:31 | |
-"..it is to be indifferent to them. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
-"For that -is the essence of inhumanity." | 0:29:34 | 0:29:38 | |
-Thank you, Mr Ackner. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:43 | |
-This morning, in this building... | 0:29:48 | 0:29:50 | |
-..the tribunal examining -the cause of the disaster ended. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:55 | |
-Hopefully now, the village of -Aberfan will have a chance to heal. | 0:29:55 | 0:30:00 | |
-On the third of August 1967... | 0:30:05 | 0:30:08 | |
-..this square in -the centre of Aberfan was crowded. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:12 | |
-This is where the tribunal's final -report was handed out to villagers. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:17 | |
-For nine of the coal board's -present and former staff... | 0:30:17 | 0:30:21 | |
-..the tribunal's findings -were very challenging. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:26 | |
-This was the jubilant moment -for Aberfan's residents. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:31 | |
-Justice at last, the truth exposed. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:34 | |
-Those responsible -were publicly named. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:37 | |
-Criticism of the NCB was scathing -throughout the tribunal. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:42 | |
-The NCB -was responsible for the disaster. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:45 | |
-There was -a total absence of tipping policy. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:48 | |
-Nine individuals -were criticized too... | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
-..amongst them -were important witnesses... | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
-..such as Vivian Thomas, -Robert Exley... | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
-..and David Roberts. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:02 | |
-However, none of the coal board's -senior officials were named. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:07 | |
-You might be wondering what happened -to the nine men who were named? | 0:31:07 | 0:31:12 | |
-Very little, in fact. None were -reprimanded and none were sacked. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:18 | |
-They should be -instantly dismissed. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:20 | |
-They shouldn't be allowed -to work for the coal board... | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
-..under any circumstances -at any job. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:27 | |
-I think it was -absolute neglect throughout. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:32 | |
-And if it wasn't for neglect... | 0:31:32 | 0:31:34 | |
-..I would have -my little girl with me today. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:37 | |
-There was another important -question. What about Lord Robens? | 0:31:39 | 0:31:43 | |
-The NCB was culpable. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:45 | |
-Would he tender his resignation? | 0:31:46 | 0:31:48 | |
-Lord Robens shouldn't resign, -he should be sacked. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:52 | |
-Surely he knew -all about these tips... | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
-..and what was -going on with the collieries? | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
-Other than that he was accepting -money under false pretences. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:02 | |
-Robens insisted on seeing a copy -of the report beforehand. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:06 | |
-He visited the coalfields, promising -to safeguard the industry... | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
-..at a time when nuclear energy -was becoming more popular. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
-He received hundreds of letters -of support, even from miners. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:20 | |
-You must've had -a number of offers from industry. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:23 | |
-Yes, that's perfectly true. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:26 | |
-There's no difficulty -about getting another job... | 0:32:26 | 0:32:29 | |
-..at three times the money -they pay me at the coal board... | 0:32:29 | 0:32:33 | |
-..but money isn't important. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:35 | |
-Then he travelled -to the United States... | 0:32:35 | 0:32:38 | |
-..to make sure -no-one could get hold of him. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
-He tendered -his letter of resignation... | 0:32:42 | 0:32:45 | |
-..but it wasn't taken seriously. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:48 | |
-He was a powerful man with friends -in the press, the government... | 0:32:48 | 0:32:53 | |
-..and in the miners' union too. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:55 | |
-He kept his job -and when his contract ended... | 0:32:55 | 0:32:59 | |
-..what happened next -still beggars belief. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:02 | |
-After chairing the NCB... | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
-..the board -responsible for 144 deaths here... | 0:33:06 | 0:33:11 | |
-..he went on to lead a study into -health and safety in the workplace. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:16 | |
-Yes, he really did. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:18 | |
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-Subtitles | 0:33:24 | 0:33:24 | |
-Subtitles - -Subtitles | 0:33:24 | 0:33:26 | |
-The period following Edmund Davies' -report into the Aberfan disaster... | 0:33:30 | 0:33:35 | |
-..was complicated. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:37 | |
-No legal action was taken by Aberfan -residents or the authorities. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:44 | |
-Lord Robens continued in his job... | 0:33:44 | 0:33:47 | |
-..but one thing still concerned -the people of Aberfan. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:51 | |
-The report dealt with many issues -but it's hard to believe... | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
-..that it didn't deal with the main -thing that concerned local people. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:03 | |
-The future of the coal tips. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:05 | |
-There was no plan in place -to deal with those. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
-Therefore, -a group of ministers decided... | 0:34:08 | 0:34:12 | |
-..they should -formulate their own strategy. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:15 | |
-This is where they'd meet - -at Ty Toronto... | 0:34:15 | 0:34:18 | |
-..which was originally -a small caravan... | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
-..donated by -the Welsh Churches of Canada. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
-But this is where they'd meet, -led by Erastus Jones. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:29 | |
-They made a clear decision. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:31 | |
-There was no way -for local people to move on... | 0:34:31 | 0:34:34 | |
-..if the coal tips still existed. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
-We held -the first of our conferences. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:42 | |
-It was called The Way Forward. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:46 | |
-In order to move on, it was vital -that the tips were removed. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:52 | |
-They still slid from time to time... | 0:34:53 | 0:34:56 | |
-..when there was a lot of rainfall. | 0:34:56 | 0:34:59 | |
-People couldn't sleep at night -when it was raining. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:03 | |
-Emotionally and psychologically, -the tips needed to be removed. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:08 | |
-We were dealing not just -with bereaved individuals... | 0:35:09 | 0:35:13 | |
-..not just bereaved families -but a bereaved community. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:17 | |
-I think those meetings gave people -strength and determination. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:23 | |
-Those meetings brought us together. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
-The public outcry was clear... | 0:35:27 | 0:35:29 | |
-..and the residents of Aberfan -had spoken. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:32 | |
-There was no possibility of moving -on and building a new future... | 0:35:33 | 0:35:37 | |
-..unless the coal tips were removed. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
-A committee was formed... | 0:35:40 | 0:35:42 | |
-..and throughout 1967 and 1968... | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
-..they tried to address this issue -but their efforts were in vain. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:50 | |
-In spite of everything -they'd suffered here... | 0:35:50 | 0:35:54 | |
-..there was little sympathy -within government ranks... | 0:35:54 | 0:35:58 | |
-..towards the community's demands. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:00 | |
-This is the Aberfan tip-removal -committee. The meeting's tonight. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:06 | |
-The Secretary of State for Wales has -declined an invitation to attend. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:11 | |
-He's saying the tips -cannot be removed for three reasons. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:15 | |
-A, it would take too long, -B, it would cost too much... | 0:36:15 | 0:36:19 | |
-..and C, two of the tips -are already on fire. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:22 | |
-By June 1968... | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
-..the tip-removal committee -was fed up. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:30 | |
-Nobody listened to them, -and they sent a letter here... | 0:36:30 | 0:36:34 | |
-..to the Welsh Office, -as it was back then... | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
-..home of Wales' most important -politician, George Thomas... | 0:36:37 | 0:36:41 | |
-..a native of the Valleys, -as it happened. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
-They told him they were fed up -of being treated like children... | 0:36:45 | 0:36:49 | |
-..and that nobody -was taking any notice. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
-Unless the tips were removed -they would take further action. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:56 | |
-It's time for militant action. | 0:36:56 | 0:36:58 | |
-We can carry these tips manually -and dump them on their doorsteps. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:04 | |
-My father had been angered by -the attitude of the authorities... | 0:37:04 | 0:37:10 | |
-..regarding the tips. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
-They refused -to listen to the residents... | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
-..and insisted they knew better. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:19 | |
-They were ruthless, in fact. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
-On 20 June 1968... | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
-..a very important meeting -was held here at the Welsh Office. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:31 | |
-It was a clash between George -Thomas, the Welsh Secretary... | 0:37:31 | 0:37:35 | |
-..and Aberfan leaders. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:38 | |
-A crowd of villagers -had also come along in support. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:42 | |
-Everyone had hoped for -a positive outcome. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
-Once it became clear that George -Thomas refused to compromise... | 0:37:46 | 0:37:50 | |
-..the crowd took action. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:52 | |
-Villagers stormed the building -and climbed the stairs. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:01 | |
-They'd brought a bag full of -coal waste from the tips in Aberfan. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:06 | |
-They threw the waste on the floor -and on one of the tables. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
-They wanted George Thomas... | 0:38:11 | 0:38:13 | |
-..but he was nowhere to be seen. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
-He was hiding somewhere -in the building. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:18 | |
-The protestors were asked to leave -and they refused. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
-George Thomas realized there was no -way of avoiding the confrontation. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:28 | |
-He was told off -in English and in Welsh. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:32 | |
-I said, "We'll remove it ourselves, -bit by bit... | 0:38:32 | 0:38:36 | |
-"..and send it to all you people." | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
-After the difficult meeting -in this building... | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
-..George Thomas changed his mind -and announced a new policy. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:47 | |
-It was cause for celebration -in Aberfan. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:50 | |
-But they hadn't realized that -George had stipulated a condition. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:56 | |
-A disaster fund was set up -and it received worldwide donations. | 0:38:57 | 0:39:03 | |
-The total -soon reached 1.75 million. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:07 | |
-The government was mindful of that -when it came to removing the tips. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:12 | |
-Robens had said -the NCB wouldn't foot the bill... | 0:39:13 | 0:39:16 | |
-..so George Thomas demanded -a contribution from the residents. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:21 | |
-It forced the people Aberfan -to make a decision... | 0:39:21 | 0:39:25 | |
-..between clearing the past -or creating a future. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:29 | |
-There wasn't enough money -in the budget to do both. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:33 | |
-Let's be clear about this... | 0:39:34 | 0:39:36 | |
-..because -it's still hard to believe nowadays. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:40 | |
-The government -wanted to take 750,000... | 0:39:40 | 0:39:44 | |
-..from the Aberfan disaster fund -to remove the tips. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
-They're going to consider -what they pay. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:51 | |
-Of course, they will pay -what they can afford... | 0:39:51 | 0:39:55 | |
-..but the scheme -will depend on what they pay. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:59 | |
-Let's not forget that the -government at the time was happy... | 0:40:00 | 0:40:04 | |
-..to spend millions of pounds on -regenerating old industrial sites. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:08 | |
-Those communities -didn't have to pay... | 0:40:09 | 0:40:12 | |
-..and they hadn't suffered -like the people of Aberfan. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:15 | |
-Though the sum -had later dropped to 150,000... | 0:40:17 | 0:40:20 | |
-..Aberfan's solicitors -maintained it was illegal... | 0:40:20 | 0:40:24 | |
-..to use charitable donations -to remove the tips. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
-But the trustees were under pressure -and they decided to pay. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:32 | |
-The question is... | 0:40:32 | 0:40:34 | |
-..why did the trustees -give the government 150,000... | 0:40:34 | 0:40:38 | |
-..knowing the practice was illegal? | 0:40:39 | 0:40:42 | |
-It makes no sense to us today, -but many factors were to blame. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:46 | |
-Firstly, the trustees were -under pressure to make a decision. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:51 | |
-Secondly, the Charity Commission -had been nothing but a pain... | 0:40:51 | 0:40:56 | |
-..and thirdly, -and more importantly... | 0:40:57 | 0:41:00 | |
-..it was feared -the tips would remain... | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
-..unless this money was paid. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
-Ultimately, -they felt they had no choice. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:10 | |
-The work -of removing the tips began in 1969. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:15 | |
-During the Aberfan aftermath... | 0:41:16 | 0:41:18 | |
-..the media had focused -on tensions amongst the villagers. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:24 | |
-However, great effort had -gone into uniting the community. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:28 | |
-A memorial garden was built. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:30 | |
-Plans were under way -to rebuild the village. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:34 | |
-As a community... | 0:41:34 | 0:41:37 | |
-..we've been divided... | 0:41:37 | 0:41:39 | |
-..because the effect -hasn't been the same for us all. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:43 | |
-We don't all feel the same. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:47 | |
-But since then, -we've rallied together... | 0:41:48 | 0:41:51 | |
-..and got to know people -we didn't know before. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:56 | |
-They've pulled together... | 0:41:56 | 0:41:59 | |
-..and created something wonderful -from this community. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:04 | |
-If you're looking -for visual evidence... | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
-..of the regeneration after -the tragedy, then look no further. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:11 | |
-This is the community centre -which was opened in 1973. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:15 | |
-The first event held -in this large hall was a conference. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:19 | |
-The conference's slogan was, -Call to the Valleys. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
-The media -had been portraying Aberfan... | 0:42:24 | 0:42:28 | |
-..as a divided community, -and a bitter one at that. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
-Suddenly, -Aberfan became an example... | 0:42:31 | 0:42:34 | |
-..of a sensible policy -to the rest of South Wales. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
-As people, we intend to embrace -what we've learnt during the year... | 0:42:39 | 0:42:45 | |
-..by formulating a strategy -and a programme for our future. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:51 | |
-There's such a sense of emergency -in the Valleys... | 0:42:51 | 0:42:55 | |
-..that we can proffer Aberfan, -after the last experience... | 0:42:56 | 0:43:01 | |
-..as an opportunity -for people to come together. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:04 | |
-The residents of Aberfan... | 0:43:07 | 0:43:10 | |
-..tried to look to the future -with confidence... | 0:43:10 | 0:43:14 | |
-..but there remained one obstacle. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:17 | |
-The government -had taken 150,000 from the fund. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:20 | |
-It was completely unjustifiable, -of course... | 0:43:20 | 0:43:24 | |
-..but it also created practical -problems here at the centre. | 0:43:24 | 0:43:29 | |
-Due to inflation and rising costs... | 0:43:29 | 0:43:32 | |
-..the situation -has deteriorated badly. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:37 | |
-In the end, -no money will be earmarked... | 0:43:38 | 0:43:41 | |
-..for the community centre. | 0:43:42 | 0:43:44 | |
-Community leaders -and local politicians... | 0:43:46 | 0:43:49 | |
-..still argued that the 150,000 -taken from the disaster fund... | 0:43:49 | 0:43:54 | |
-..should be paid back. | 0:43:54 | 0:43:56 | |
-An effort was made to introduce -a measure at Westminster... | 0:43:56 | 0:44:00 | |
-..forcing the government -to repay the money. | 0:44:01 | 0:44:04 | |
-We asked them a year ago -to repay the money... | 0:44:04 | 0:44:07 | |
-..but they said they had no right. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:09 | |
-We're offering this parliamentary -measure to force them... | 0:44:09 | 0:44:14 | |
-..to pay back the money. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:16 | |
-The government apologized for -not being able to repay the money. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:20 | |
-Now they're saying -they don't want to repay it. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:24 | |
-Every effort resulted in failure. | 0:44:26 | 0:44:29 | |
-By the end of the 1980s... | 0:44:30 | 0:44:31 | |
-..management of the centre -went to the local council. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:36 | |
-There were fears over the future -of the memorial garden and cemetery. | 0:44:36 | 0:44:41 | |
-They had to wait 30 years... | 0:44:43 | 0:44:45 | |
-..for change and for justice. | 0:44:45 | 0:44:48 | |
-In 1997 a new Labour government -was elected with a large majority. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:53 | |
-A new Welsh Secretary -was sworn in... | 0:44:53 | 0:44:56 | |
-..and he was determined -to do the right thing. | 0:44:56 | 0:45:00 | |
-At the same time, official documents -had been released publicly... | 0:45:00 | 0:45:05 | |
-..which shone new light -on the behaviour of Lord Robens... | 0:45:05 | 0:45:09 | |
-..the Charity Commission -and several Labour politicians... | 0:45:09 | 0:45:13 | |
-..who'd disregarded -the people of Aberfan. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:16 | |
-It wasn't only returning the money -but it was a public apology... | 0:45:17 | 0:45:21 | |
-..from the most senior politician -that there was at a Welsh level. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:26 | |
-I was apologizing for the actions -of one of my predecessors. | 0:45:26 | 0:45:30 | |
-I was saying, "That was wrong." | 0:45:30 | 0:45:33 | |
-Paying 150,000 -back into the fund... | 0:45:33 | 0:45:36 | |
-..was a public statement, that this -community had been wrongly treated. | 0:45:36 | 0:45:41 | |
-A decade later, the Welsh government -paid a far higher sum... | 0:45:41 | 0:45:46 | |
-..equivalent to the sum -that was taken out back in 1968. | 0:45:46 | 0:45:50 | |
-In 2007, taking into account -interest and inflation... | 0:45:52 | 0:45:55 | |
-..the Welsh government paid 2m -into the Aberfan disaster fund. | 0:45:56 | 0:46:00 | |
-Everyone regarded it -as a tragedy for Wales. | 0:46:00 | 0:46:03 | |
-Now we had a government in Wales... | 0:46:04 | 0:46:06 | |
-..they could -reverse the injustice... | 0:46:07 | 0:46:10 | |
-..on behalf of the Welsh nation. | 0:46:10 | 0:46:13 | |
-The future -of the memorials was safe... | 0:46:14 | 0:46:16 | |
-..and the charity was able to fulfil -one of its original objectives... | 0:46:17 | 0:46:22 | |
-..which was to invest -in the future of Aberfan's children. | 0:46:22 | 0:46:26 | |
-The Aberfan Educational Charity -has been generous to us. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:30 | |
-The resources we've received -have been of the highest standard. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:35 | |
-When we publicize our donations -from the fund... | 0:46:35 | 0:46:38 | |
-..the people of Aberfan and Merthyr -Vale are incredibly grateful... | 0:46:39 | 0:46:43 | |
-..especially the older generation... | 0:46:44 | 0:46:47 | |
-..who've lived through -the aftermath of the disaster. | 0:46:47 | 0:46:51 | |
-All the schools in the local area -receive financial aid from the fund. | 0:46:51 | 0:46:56 | |
-The future of the memorials -are now safe. | 0:46:56 | 0:46:59 | |
-There's a lovely tranquillity -in the memorial garden... | 0:46:59 | 0:47:03 | |
-..built on the site -of Pantglas Junior School. | 0:47:04 | 0:47:07 | |
-It's a place to reflect -on the atrocity of 50 years ago... | 0:47:07 | 0:47:11 | |
-..and it's also a place to reflect -on the support many have given... | 0:47:11 | 0:47:15 | |
-..to the local community. | 0:47:15 | 0:47:17 | |
-I'm sitting on a bench dedicated -to the memory of one of those. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:21 | |
-Barrister Desmond Ackner. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:23 | |
-For many Aberfan families... | 0:47:24 | 0:47:26 | |
-..he was the Great Protector. | 0:47:26 | 0:47:30 | |
-This garden is a symbol -to the rest of the world. | 0:47:30 | 0:47:33 | |
-A symbol of a community -overcome by loss... | 0:47:34 | 0:47:37 | |
-..a community -determined to rebuild itself... | 0:47:37 | 0:47:40 | |
-..gradually and courageously... | 0:47:40 | 0:47:42 | |
-..without losing the desire -for the truth and for justice. | 0:47:43 | 0:47:47 | |
-As we mark -the disaster's 50th anniversary... | 0:47:47 | 0:47:50 | |
-..that's the sentiment that the -Aberfan community holds to this day. | 0:47:50 | 0:47:55 | |
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