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We've all dreamt of it, of going out there on the Royal Albert Hall | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
stage and playing your favourite concerto. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
Just think of the joy, and the terror, | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
of playing Rachmaninoff's | 0:00:09 | 0:00:10 | |
Third Piano Concerto for the Prommers. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
That's just one of my musical Everests that's never, | 0:00:13 | 0:00:17 | |
ever going to come true, but for a couple of tonight's performers | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
that dream is their reality. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:22 | |
James Ehnes is the soloist in William Walton's Violin Concerto, | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
and we're also going to hear what's almost a mini-concerto for | 0:00:25 | 0:00:29 | |
cor anglais and orchestra by Jean Sibelius. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
All that, and Thomas Sondergard conducts the | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
BBC National Orchestra of Wales in Sibelius's elemental Fifth Symphony. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:39 | |
But it's all about soloists facing their fears | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
and the faces of thousands of Prommers | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
on tonight's Masterworks at the Proms. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
So the first of tonight's soloists is | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
James Ehnes and he and his Stradivarius met me | 0:01:16 | 0:01:20 | |
earlier today before his rehearsal to talk about his long | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
relationship with William Walton's Violin Concerto. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:25 | |
It's a piece I fell in love with as a teenager. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
I had a recording of Heifetz playing it and I just thought, | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
"This piece is the best." And I couldn't understand why | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
it didn't seem to be more mainstream repertoire. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
-And then I learned it and it all became clear. -What's the reason? | 0:01:39 | 0:01:43 | |
It's a very challenging piece. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
Not just for the violinist but for the orchestra, | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
for the conductor, it's really virtuosic for everybody. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
So how do your hands deal with it, then? | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
I have to think about trying to play as beautifully as possible. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:57 | |
And thinking of the lyrical lines and trying to consider that to a lot | 0:01:57 | 0:02:02 | |
of people in the audience this is not going to be a piece that they know. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
So, it's a special opportunity for me | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
to introduce something that means a lot to me. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:10 | |
Can you give us an example of that lyricism? | 0:02:10 | 0:02:12 | |
Sure. The very first opening melody is just lush and beautiful. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:16 | |
HE PLAYS OPENING MELODY | 0:02:16 | 0:02:17 | |
-Magic. -It's great, isn't it? | 0:02:35 | 0:02:37 | |
It's got a little bit of that almost Hollywood quality to it. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:42 | |
There's something very atmospheric. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
The second movement, the presto scherzo, starts with | 0:02:44 | 0:02:48 | |
a Tarantella because Walton was supposedly bitten by a tarantula. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:52 | |
It's a funny thing with back stories of pieces. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
Because you can sort of make of it what you want. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
I don't think that an appreciation of the piece depends on that | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
but definitely this alla Neapolitana, I guess, | 0:03:03 | 0:03:08 | |
it played a role in the composition. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
And certainly has that feel. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:12 | |
The opening of that second movement is just fun. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:14 | |
HE PLAYS OPENING OF SECOND MOVEMENT | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
Neat stuff. It's fun to play. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:27 | |
How do you think it will speak to this audience, then? | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
And do you have a sense that when you got to the end of a performance | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
of this piece whether the audience is falling in love with it? | 0:03:33 | 0:03:37 | |
I can never second guess the audience but I know | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
when I first heard the piece I fell in love | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
so I think if there are people out there like me and | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
if I can play it well, then hopefully it will gain a few new fans. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:50 | |
-James, thank you very much. -Thank you. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:52 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
MUSIC: "Violin Concerto" by William Walton | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
MUSIC STOPS | 0:15:21 | 0:15:23 | |
INAUDIBLE | 0:15:37 | 0:15:38 | |
MUSIC RESUMES | 0:15:47 | 0:15:48 | |
MUSIC STOPS | 0:22:01 | 0:22:03 | |
MUSIC RESUMES | 0:22:22 | 0:22:23 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:35:02 | 0:35:04 | |
It always amazes me. This is such a huge space the Royal Albert Hall. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:10 | |
4,500 to 5,000 people, how ever many there are here tonight, | 0:36:10 | 0:36:12 | |
all focusing in on the smallest sound that you'll hear | 0:36:12 | 0:36:16 | |
in the whole Proms season. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:17 | |
James Ehnes solo violin playing | 0:36:17 | 0:36:19 | |
Sir William Walton's Violin Concerto. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:21 | |
Surely, that was the performance to make you fall in love with | 0:36:21 | 0:36:23 | |
that piece if you weren't already. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:25 | |
James was telling me about its Hollywood lyricism and there | 0:36:25 | 0:36:28 | |
were moments of real soaring passion in that performance, | 0:36:28 | 0:36:30 | |
but never ever a trace of sentimentality | 0:36:30 | 0:36:33 | |
in James Ehnes's performance. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:35 | |
But we're going to hear music that would have been the overture | 0:36:35 | 0:36:39 | |
to an opera by Sibelius on Finnish folk legend. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
His magnificently concise tome poem, The Swan of Tuonela. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:46 | |
Now, it's based on the story of the hero Lemminkainen's | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
journey to the Kingdom of Death, where he tries to kill the swan that | 0:36:49 | 0:36:54 | |
is swimming on the black river. He fails and is instead killed himself. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:59 | |
The sounds that this music makes are magical and mysterious, | 0:36:59 | 0:37:03 | |
slow and strange. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:05 | |
And they're also dependant upon another of tonight's soloists. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:08 | |
This time from within the BBC National Orchestra of Wales. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
Cor anglais player Sarah-Jane Porsmoguer. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:14 | |
It's haunting. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:15 | |
The sound of the cor anglais is haunting and quite dark | 0:37:15 | 0:37:19 | |
and there's nothing like it anywhere else in the orchestra, I don't think. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:24 | |
Is it difficult, technically, for you to do? It's not very fast. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:29 | |
This is very slow music so it's not showy virtuosity | 0:37:29 | 0:37:32 | |
but what do you need to do as a player to pull this music off? | 0:37:32 | 0:37:36 | |
Because it is such a slow piece | 0:37:36 | 0:37:38 | |
if it's played too slowly it sounds like the swan is treading water, | 0:37:38 | 0:37:42 | |
and he's got his foot stuck, and he's not going anywhere. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
Likewise, if it's just going too fast he doesn't sound menacing enough. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:50 | |
So, yeah, the pulse has to be right. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:53 | |
But then I find there has to be different intensities within the | 0:37:53 | 0:37:56 | |
-music because of the story. -So, how do you think of it personally then? | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
The drama of the piece? | 0:37:59 | 0:38:01 | |
For me I see the first two entrances of the cor anglais as somebody | 0:38:01 | 0:38:07 | |
viewing the island. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:08 | |
And the strings are pictorial. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
They're showing us how the island feels | 0:38:11 | 0:38:14 | |
and what it looks like with the black river. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:17 | |
Then the third entry, I see that as the swan swooping in. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:22 | |
"Here I am, I've got a story to tell you. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
"Be careful. You're not going to get away from here alive." | 0:38:25 | 0:38:30 | |
And the next bit I see as the young man who's being killed | 0:38:30 | 0:38:35 | |
and he's floating underwater. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:37 | |
You know, the films where somebody's just floating? | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
It's an undershot of the camera and the sun's shining down. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:44 | |
That's how I see it. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:45 | |
And then when we've got the pizzicato strings, | 0:38:45 | 0:38:48 | |
I see that as the mother picking up the pieces of her son, | 0:38:48 | 0:38:52 | |
and then my final entry I see as a sort of funeral march. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:57 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:38:59 | 0:39:00 | |
MUSIC: The Swan of Tuonela by Sibelius | 0:39:26 | 0:39:29 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:49:04 | 0:49:05 | |
Existential loneliness in just a few minutes. | 0:49:45 | 0:49:48 | |
Of course, The Swan of Tuonela was made by Sarah-Jane Porsmoguer's | 0:49:48 | 0:49:53 | |
cor anglais playing | 0:49:53 | 0:49:54 | |
but also by the effect that Sibelius creates in the whole orchestra. | 0:49:54 | 0:49:57 | |
There was chills of bass drum and the string lines that slide up | 0:49:57 | 0:50:01 | |
from the double basses to the top of the first violins. | 0:50:01 | 0:50:04 | |
For the final piece in tonight's programme, more Sibelius. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:08 | |
His Fifth Symphony. | 0:50:08 | 0:50:09 | |
Now, the focus here isn't on individual players | 0:50:09 | 0:50:11 | |
but rather on the whole ensemble of the BBC National Orchestra of Wales. | 0:50:11 | 0:50:15 | |
However, it's going to require something | 0:50:15 | 0:50:17 | |
special from tonight's conductor, Thomas Sondergard. | 0:50:17 | 0:50:19 | |
The thing about this piece is for any conductor | 0:50:19 | 0:50:22 | |
attempting its three movements they must be a soloist of space and time, | 0:50:22 | 0:50:29 | |
manipulating this music's gigantic energies and dimensions. | 0:50:29 | 0:50:32 | |
And there are a couple stand out moments, challenges really, | 0:50:32 | 0:50:35 | |
for the conductor to deal with. | 0:50:35 | 0:50:37 | |
I want to find out how Thomas is going to negotiate | 0:50:37 | 0:50:40 | |
the first movement. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:41 | |
It's propelled by a huge, five minute long process of speeding up. | 0:50:41 | 0:50:45 | |
So how's he going to do it? | 0:50:45 | 0:50:47 | |
If you can imagine you blow on the water, you see the effect of it | 0:50:47 | 0:50:51 | |
and you make sure that you don't stop the rings in the water. | 0:50:51 | 0:50:55 | |
-The ripples, OK. -Yeah. If I can put it that way. | 0:50:55 | 0:50:58 | |
Because it's not only me doing it. | 0:50:58 | 0:51:01 | |
It must feel very natural for the musicians. | 0:51:01 | 0:51:04 | |
For example, a little later where there's a trumpet solo here. | 0:51:04 | 0:51:09 | |
Let's... D. Let's not have a naturando for these eight bars. | 0:51:09 | 0:51:14 | |
-OK. -But it's a thing I realised after many years. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:18 | |
Because, in a way, we agree that we all push a little bit forward. | 0:51:18 | 0:51:23 | |
But some things lie natural in a way that, "Let me just play this | 0:51:23 | 0:51:28 | |
"and then we'll go on again." | 0:51:28 | 0:51:30 | |
Do you have to consciously, sort of, drive the players forward? | 0:51:30 | 0:51:34 | |
They're watching very closely. They sure are. | 0:51:34 | 0:51:37 | |
Because it's not going to happen in the same place all the time. | 0:51:37 | 0:51:40 | |
It could be in those chromatic places. | 0:51:40 | 0:51:43 | |
HE SINGS NOTES | 0:51:43 | 0:51:46 | |
That then connects with what happens in the third movement. | 0:51:46 | 0:51:49 | |
Again, you've got this moment. Pocotino stretto. | 0:51:49 | 0:51:52 | |
At the very end of the symphony, it's getting faster, | 0:51:52 | 0:51:54 | |
but the process is a kind of gigantic slowing down, actually. | 0:51:54 | 0:51:58 | |
It is as if you get towards these white nature scenery, | 0:51:58 | 0:52:05 | |
where you've not really noticed where you walk. | 0:52:05 | 0:52:08 | |
You just take it all in and suddenly you come to this steep cliff | 0:52:08 | 0:52:12 | |
and the music just stops. | 0:52:12 | 0:52:14 | |
And you realise through those six chords at the end that if I've just | 0:52:14 | 0:52:19 | |
-stepped a little further forward, that would be it. -You'd fall off. | 0:52:19 | 0:52:24 | |
Yeah. | 0:52:24 | 0:52:25 | |
You take the music so much in at the end of the symphony, | 0:52:25 | 0:52:28 | |
so that you forget where you are. | 0:52:28 | 0:52:31 | |
In these six chords, then, | 0:52:31 | 0:52:33 | |
here's the first three of them and here's the last three, | 0:52:33 | 0:52:37 | |
your job is to make sure the music doesn't go off the cliff | 0:52:37 | 0:52:41 | |
so how do you control that? | 0:52:41 | 0:52:42 | |
Because, after all, you're not controlling sound here, | 0:52:42 | 0:52:45 | |
you're controlling silence, in a way. | 0:52:45 | 0:52:47 | |
I must have the courage, not necessarily to count | 0:52:47 | 0:52:51 | |
the beats in between, but to definitely have the calmness | 0:52:51 | 0:52:56 | |
to believe that the pause can be wide, it can be long. | 0:52:56 | 0:53:02 | |
If we want to come back to the picture I had before, | 0:53:02 | 0:53:04 | |
it's not that I use it when I conduct, necessarily. | 0:53:04 | 0:53:07 | |
There must be a reflection of what happened if I just took another step. | 0:53:07 | 0:53:11 | |
And it's a very original idea of Sibelius, I think. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:15 | |
Because it's easy that it could have come over to a very romantic ending. | 0:53:15 | 0:53:19 | |
But the danger is these are randomly spaced. | 0:53:19 | 0:53:23 | |
There's this chord and then five beats. Then there's six beats. | 0:53:23 | 0:53:26 | |
There's a kind of random thing. | 0:53:26 | 0:53:28 | |
The obvious thing to do would be to go one, two, three, four. | 0:53:28 | 0:53:31 | |
You're not going to be moving through this. | 0:53:31 | 0:53:34 | |
-How do you physically control that? -It's inside. | 0:53:34 | 0:53:37 | |
It's not outside. I must believe that they all think the same way I do. | 0:53:37 | 0:53:45 | |
This is where it's really important, | 0:53:45 | 0:53:47 | |
that the conductor and the orchestra thinks the same way. | 0:53:47 | 0:53:50 | |
MUSIC: "Fifth Symphony" by Sibelius | 0:54:00 | 0:54:02 | |
MUSIC STOPS | 1:06:50 | 1:06:51 | |
MUSIC RESUMES | 1:07:21 | 1:07:22 | |
MUSIC STOPS | 1:16:17 | 1:16:18 | |
MUSIC RESUMES | 1:16:33 | 1:16:34 | |
APPLAUSE | 1:25:50 | 1:25:51 | |
-It stopped. -Yeah. It didn't fall off the cliff. You're still intact? | 1:26:48 | 1:26:55 | |
-Not quite. -Fantastic. | 1:26:55 | 1:26:57 | |
-Did you like the end? -Absolutely. | 1:26:57 | 1:26:59 | |
No, physically but again you're holding everything. | 1:26:59 | 1:27:01 | |
It's the thing where you feel the thing moving | 1:27:01 | 1:27:04 | |
and yet it's still at the same time. | 1:27:04 | 1:27:05 | |
The question I want it ask is | 1:27:05 | 1:27:07 | |
if you're at the edge of the cliff, what do you see? | 1:27:07 | 1:27:09 | |
What is the view where we are? | 1:27:09 | 1:27:11 | |
Because you feel it's such a cosmic thing as a listener. | 1:27:11 | 1:27:13 | |
It's hard to describe because it's not so much... | 1:27:15 | 1:27:17 | |
-I don't think so much in pictures when I'm there. -Sure. | 1:27:20 | 1:27:23 | |
To describe it to you when we met earlier is a different thing | 1:27:23 | 1:27:27 | |
but when you're there it's the context of the notes | 1:27:27 | 1:27:31 | |
and not least this is why we love doing what we're doing. | 1:27:31 | 1:27:35 | |
It's the atmosphere in the hall that you somehow... | 1:27:35 | 1:27:39 | |
..extend. Is that what you call it? | 1:27:41 | 1:27:44 | |
It's as if it has no fundament but the atmosphere is up there. | 1:27:44 | 1:27:48 | |
It's amazing. | 1:27:48 | 1:27:50 | |
-Thank you. -Thank you. -Thank you. -All the best. -Thank you. | 1:27:50 | 1:27:53 | |
It's a wonderful thing that because think about the idea of what | 1:27:56 | 1:28:00 | |
a conductor does as a sort of manipulation of space and time. | 1:28:00 | 1:28:04 | |
In a way, at the end of that symphony, all of those things | 1:28:04 | 1:28:08 | |
come together. It's like a kind of musical black hole. | 1:28:08 | 1:28:11 | |
Sibelius had this thing where he contains so much energy | 1:28:11 | 1:28:13 | |
and yet it's compressed down. | 1:28:13 | 1:28:15 | |
So you feel in that final chord that actually the whole | 1:28:15 | 1:28:18 | |
experience of this symphony, | 1:28:18 | 1:28:20 | |
the half hour before was squashed down into that singularity. | 1:28:20 | 1:28:24 | |
It's... Yeah... This is music as a kind of real physical experience. | 1:28:26 | 1:28:31 | |
The stuff of the universe, maybe. | 1:28:31 | 1:28:33 |