Pennod 1 ‹ Cymru: Dal i Gredu?

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-Are you alright?	0:00:03	0:00:04
-I'm Gwion Hallam.	0:00:06	0:00:07
-In my job, I travel with -a film crew, safe behind the camera.	0:00:07	0:00:12
-I'll be asking if Wales -still believes in God...	0:00:13	0:00:17
-..but also questioning my own faith -and stepping in front of the camera.	0:00:17	0:00:23
-This is the capital of Wales -on a marvellous, crazy night.	0:00:24	0:00:29
-All because of Wales's main -religion. For rugby lovers, Sion!	0:00:29	0:00:33
-Sorry. Sion the soundman -from north Wales is a football man.	0:00:33	0:00:38
-For him, it's blasphemous -to call rugby a religion...	0:00:38	0:00:42
-..since it can be for people -who believe in God...	0:00:42	0:00:45
-..as I did, at one time.	0:00:45	0:00:47
-Like my country, I was strong -and open about my faith.	0:00:48	0:00:52
-I was an evangelical Christian.	0:00:53	0:00:55
-But now, I'm not a believer.	0:00:55	0:00:57
-I have lost my faith, -like many Welsh people.	0:00:58	0:01:01
-But the language of religion -is still in my conversation.	0:01:03	0:01:07
-It's a pilgrimage. -All these people are believers.	0:01:08	0:01:12
-They go in faith, -they're true believers...	0:01:12	0:01:16
-..and pray that their team wins.	0:01:17	0:01:19
-Wales forever!	0:01:20	0:01:21
-This is the Mecca of Welsh rugby, -where everyone comes.	0:01:25	0:01:28
-Wales! Come on, Wales!	0:01:29	0:01:31
-Who does he support?	0:01:33	0:01:34
-# CALON LAN #	0:01:39	0:01:40
-In 2001, three quarters of the Welsh -still said they were Christians.	0:01:41	0:01:46
-But the 2011 census -showed that more of us...	0:01:46	0:01:50
-..are rejecting Christianity than -in any other country in Britain.	0:01:50	0:01:55
-I'll be looking for Wales's soul...	0:01:56	0:01:58
-..and meeting Muslims, -Christians, Sikhs and atheists.	0:01:58	0:02:03
-If Christianity doesn't -captivate our hearts any more...	0:02:07	0:02:11
-..what do we in Wales -really believe?	0:02:11	0:02:15
-Wales! Wales!	0:02:18	0:02:19
-Watch out, boys. They know you.	0:02:22	0:02:24
-On the street, -it was immediately obvious...	0:02:25	0:02:28
-..there's no escape -from Christians in Wales.	0:02:28	0:02:32
-Thank you very much.	0:02:32	0:02:32
-Thank you very much. - -You're welcome.	0:02:32	0:02:34
-Christian tracts.	0:02:35	0:02:36
-We start filming a programme about -religion and they give us these!	0:02:36	0:02:41
-We're filming a series -on religion in Wales.	0:02:41	0:02:45
-Marvellous.	0:02:45	0:02:46
-A minister from Llanrumney led -the team distributing pamphlets.	0:02:47	0:02:51
-We couldn't have set this up!	0:02:51	0:02:53
-I'm asking the question, -does Wales still believe?	0:02:54	0:02:57
-No, no. 0.1 per cent.	0:02:58	0:03:00
-We say that Jesus -said you must be born again.	0:03:00	0:03:03
-That means a new beginning.	0:03:04	0:03:06
-In Greek, it means birth from above.	0:03:06	0:03:08
-That's my background.	0:03:09	0:03:10
-That's my background. - -Really?	0:03:10	0:03:11
-Yes, it is.	0:03:11	0:03:12
-Yes, it is. - -Come on home!	0:03:12	0:03:13
-# Gwlad! Gwlad!	0:03:14	0:03:19
-# Pleidiol wyf #	0:03:20	0:03:23
-After being held up, -the match was about to start.	0:03:23	0:03:26
-The pubs, like the stadium, -resonated with song.	0:03:26	0:03:30
-Being late for chapel is one thing, -but late for a rugby match in a pub?	0:03:30	0:03:35
-# I'r bur hoff bau	0:03:35	0:03:37
-# O bydded i'r heniaith	0:03:39	0:03:44
-# Barhau #	0:03:45	0:03:48
-APPLAUSE AND CHEERS	0:03:49	0:03:51
-Once it started, -the match was everything.	0:03:52	0:03:55
-One hope, one yearning, -to see Wales beat the English.	0:03:56	0:04:00
-Wales are ahead, but people -are celebrating as if we'd won.	0:04:04	0:04:08
-Because we're Welsh, -people are singing hymns.	0:04:08	0:04:12
-# For everyone who is faithful	0:04:12	0:04:16
-# Beneath His banner	0:04:16	0:04:20
-# Jesus has a crown -above in the kingdom of Heaven	0:04:21	0:04:29
-# Hallelujah!	0:04:29	0:04:31
-# Hallelujah! #	0:04:32	0:04:34
-Only in Wales!	0:04:36	0:04:37
-A pub and a church...	0:04:37	0:04:39
-..but they sing hymns in the pub.	0:04:40	0:04:42
-We know the words and the melodies.	0:04:43	0:04:45
-But are we still believers?	0:04:47	0:04:48
-# Amen #	0:04:49	0:04:53
-My journey begins -in the Amman Valley.	0:05:00	0:05:03
-I grew up here and became -a believer while at school.	0:05:04	0:05:08
-Soundman Sion filmed -in the back seat...	0:05:09	0:05:12
-..while cameraman Rhys -and I chatted.	0:05:12	0:05:15
-The subject turned -to believing in God...	0:05:15	0:05:18
-..or not, as in Rhys's case.	0:05:19	0:05:21
-You're an atheist. -You're comfortable with that.	0:05:21	0:05:25
-Yes, I am an atheist.	0:05:26	0:05:28
-But unlike you, -I don't feel guilty about it.	0:05:28	0:05:31
-You're an atheist too, -if you'd admit it to yourself.	0:05:34	0:05:38
-I'm not the believer I used to be.	0:05:39	0:05:42
-I don't know if I'd call myself -an atheist, though.	0:05:42	0:05:45
-It's in my blood.	0:05:46	0:05:47
-Mam grew up here. -My grandparents lived over there.	0:05:49	0:05:53
-Even the village was named -after the chapel, Capel Hendre.	0:05:55	0:06:00
-Twenty years ago, most of my friends -were still chapel members.	0:06:01	0:06:05
-Our family went to chapel twice on -Sunday and to Sunday School as well.	0:06:06	0:06:10
-We also went to other -meetings during the week.	0:06:11	0:06:14
-But, on returning to the area, the -chapel wasn't my first port of call.	0:06:14	0:06:18
-They play football here -as well as rugby. Great.	0:06:20	0:06:24
-This is Ammanford Rugby Club.	0:06:25	0:06:27
-In Wales, there's no -escape from rugby either.	0:06:27	0:06:30
-What's the score?	0:06:31	0:06:31
-What's the score? - -11-3.	0:06:31	0:06:32
-To?	0:06:33	0:06:33
-To? - -Newcastle Emlyn.	0:06:33	0:06:34
-There's still hope for Ammanford.	0:06:35	0:06:37
-Will we come back?	0:06:37	0:06:38
-Will we come back? - -Why do you think I'm smiling?	0:06:38	0:06:41
-We chatted to some -of the Newcastle Emlyn supporters.	0:06:41	0:06:46
-When they heard about our journey's -purpose, they were interested.	0:06:46	0:06:52
-Have you lost your faith, -or have you stopped going to chapel?	0:06:52	0:06:57
-Good question. -I don't go to chapel.	0:06:57	0:07:00
-I used to go to chapel -in this area every Sunday.	0:07:00	0:07:04
-What about the Christian testimony?	0:07:04	0:07:07
-Yes.	0:07:08	0:07:09
-It's needed more than ever.	0:07:10	0:07:12
-Are you a Christian?	0:07:12	0:07:14
-Well...	0:07:15	0:07:16
-I'm a chapel secretary and deacon.	0:07:16	0:07:17
-I'm a chapel secretary and deacon. - -I profess to be a Christian.	0:07:17	0:07:19
-PLAYERS SHOUT	0:07:19	0:07:21
-BLEEP	0:07:23	0:07:25
-WHISTLE	0:07:27	0:07:28
-WHISTLE - -Jesus!	0:07:28	0:07:29
-That's nice language.	0:07:29	0:07:31
-A century ago, I don't think -you'd hear that kind of speech here.	0:07:32	0:07:37
-I hadn't come to watch rugby...	0:07:39	0:07:41
-..but to look for something -in the club building.	0:07:42	0:07:45
-I haven't been here for years. -I didn't come here a lot.	0:07:45	0:07:50
-But I remembered something -on the wall by the bar...	0:07:51	0:07:54
-..proof of Christianity's -influence on the valley.	0:07:55	0:07:58
-It's still here, -in exactly the same place.	0:07:59	0:08:02
-It's the same writing.	0:08:03	0:08:05
-1904, 05.	0:08:06	0:08:07
-1904 to 1907.	0:08:07	0:08:09
-Methodist Revival, Club Disbanded.	0:08:10	0:08:12
-For three years...	0:08:13	0:08:14
-..the people of Ammanford were -too Christian to play rugby.	0:08:15	0:08:20
-Or the influence of Christianity -was so powerful...	0:08:20	0:08:24
-..that they had better things to do.	0:08:24	0:08:26
-That's brilliant.	0:08:26	0:08:27
-The 1904 Revival -was called the Great Revival.	0:08:29	0:08:33
-It was the largest -of all Wales's revivals.	0:08:33	0:08:36
-About 100,000 people had -a religious conversion in one year.	0:08:37	0:08:42
-You were sitting by the board.	0:08:42	0:08:44
-Can you imagine -these players giving up rugby...	0:08:45	0:08:48
-..because God was -so important to them?	0:08:49	0:08:51
-No, never.	0:08:52	0:08:53
-No, never. - -But it happened.	0:08:53	0:08:54
-Yes. But not today.	0:08:54	0:08:56
-Have we changed?	0:08:57	0:08:59
-It's important for the children. -I have three sons.	0:09:00	0:09:04
-They all play for Ammanford.	0:09:04	0:09:07
-I thought you were going -to say they all go to chapel!	0:09:07	0:09:11
-Do people here remember?	0:09:11	0:09:13
-I was brought up in Bethany.	0:09:14	0:09:16
-A century ago, everyone went there. -Now, they're over here.	0:09:16	0:09:21
-Can you see Bethany from here?	0:09:21	0:09:23
-Can you see Bethany from here? - -Yes.	0:09:23	0:09:24
-During my lifetime, in the 1950s and -1960s, the Revival was still strong.	0:09:24	0:09:30
-People knew about it and spoke about -it in chapel, as did my mother.	0:09:30	0:09:35
-With all that emotion -and conviction...	0:09:35	0:09:38
-..can you understand -why they stopped playing?	0:09:38	0:09:42
-It's hard to believe it, but -when you see the size of Bethany...	0:09:42	0:09:46
-..you need a lot -of people to fill it.	0:09:47	0:09:49
-Can you imagine it happening again, -maybe in a different way?	0:09:50	0:09:55
-My wife hopes so.	0:09:55	0:09:57
-It's hard to believe today -that the men of Ammanford...	0:09:58	0:10:02
-..stopped playing rugby for three -years because of their faith.	0:10:03	0:10:07
-But the Revival was huge.	0:10:07	0:10:09
-Bethany can hold up to a thousand -people, like the chapel I went to.	0:10:09	0:10:15
-I know, as well as anyone...	0:10:16	0:10:18
-..how powerful religion -and faith can be.	0:10:19	0:10:23
-So I returned to Bethany -and the Band Of Hope...	0:10:27	0:10:30
-..to look for the boy who was -once so strong in his faith.	0:10:30	0:10:34
-Who's going to wash your clothes?	0:10:35	0:10:37
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-Subtitles	0:10:43	0:10:43
-Subtitles - -Subtitles	0:10:43	0:10:45
-I'm going on a journey to find out -if Wales still believes in God.	0:10:47	0:10:52
-That's why I've brought -a film crew to the Amman Valley...	0:10:52	0:10:56
-..where I grew up -in the sound of Christianity.	0:10:57	0:11:00
-This is Caersalem Chapel, Tycroes, -where I was brought up.	0:11:00	0:11:07
-There are two buildings.	0:11:10	0:11:11
-There are two buildings. - -Yes.	0:11:11	0:11:12
-The chapel and vestry look alike.	0:11:13	0:11:16
-I went to Bethany Chapel, -Ammanford on weekdays too.	0:11:17	0:11:21
-It also had a strong -evangelical tradition.	0:11:21	0:11:25
-It was built at the time of -the Great Revival.	0:11:25	0:11:28
-We passed Caersalem on the way, -where I used to go.	0:11:29	0:11:33
-My parents were members.	0:11:33	0:11:35
-I'm sure Bethany will -bring back memories.	0:11:35	0:11:38
-I came here a lot, and -to children's clubs in summer.	0:11:38	0:11:42
-And at Easter.	0:11:42	0:11:44
-There was also the Band Of Hope -every week, of course.	0:11:45	0:11:49
-Auntie Gaynor, as I called her, -led the Band Of Hope in the vestry.	0:11:49	0:11:54
-I had arranged to meet my brother -and two old friends there as well.	0:11:56	0:12:00
-While we waited, -I asked Auntie Gaynor...	0:12:01	0:12:05
-..if she remembered people who -had experienced the Great Revival.	0:12:05	0:12:10
-Yes, a few.	0:12:10	0:12:12
-I used to come to the Prayer -Meeting with my parents.	0:12:12	0:12:16
-I remember Mr Beynon, -who sat over there.	0:12:17	0:12:20
-He prayed and wept...	0:12:22	0:12:24
-..with tears running -down his cheeks.	0:12:24	0:12:28
-And Mr Jones from Betws, -Willie Jones, I think.	0:12:29	0:12:33
-There was no sign of the others, -so Auntie Gaynor made us a cuppa.	0:12:35	0:12:39
-I went into the chapel.	0:12:39	0:12:41
-Auntie Gaynor said that about twenty -people attend the Sunday service.	0:12:45	0:12:50
-They meet in the vestry in winter.	0:12:51	0:12:53
-The chapel looked in good repair.	0:12:53	0:12:56
-It was built -to hold hundreds of people.	0:12:56	0:12:59
-It's empty most of the time.	0:13:00	0:13:02
-Then the lads arrived.	0:13:05	0:13:06
-My brother Tudur, and Steffan, -whom I hadn't seen for many years.	0:13:06	0:13:11
-He's a minister -in a Pontardawe chapel now.	0:13:12	0:13:16
-And lastly Rhodri, -one of my closest friends...	0:13:16	0:13:20
-..who now lives in Cardiff.	0:13:20	0:13:22
-I thought you might -not let us back in!	0:13:26	0:13:29
-We must have been -a handful at times.	0:13:29	0:13:32
-You were fine, healthy boys.	0:13:32	0:13:35
-Healthy?!	0:13:35	0:13:37
-Very healthy.	0:13:37	0:13:38
-Lively.	0:13:38	0:13:39
-That's a kind word for naughty!	0:13:40	0:13:42
-You were fine.	0:13:42	0:13:43
-I had fun with you. -I pretended to be cross sometimes.	0:13:43	0:13:48
-Were you joking?!	0:13:48	0:13:49
-I was telling Gwion that many of you -brought friends, which was good.	0:13:51	0:13:56
-I'm not sure if it was -the Band Of Hope...	0:13:57	0:14:00
-..or was it a weekend -or half-term club?	0:14:01	0:14:04
-We came here on Saturday at Whit.	0:14:06	0:14:08
-If we brought friends here, -we received a token.	0:14:08	0:14:12
-If ten friends came with us, we were -given a token in another colour.	0:14:12	0:14:16
-We collected the tokens.	0:14:16	0:14:18
-We went round town looking -for friends to come with us.	0:14:18	0:14:22
-What were the tokens for?	0:14:22	0:14:24
-To buy sweets? I don't know.	0:14:24	0:14:26
-I still have them!	0:14:27	0:14:28
-I enjoyed reading -the children's Bibles.	0:14:29	0:14:33
-We'd call them old-fashioned now.	0:14:34	0:14:37
-They had technicolour pictures.	0:14:38	0:14:41
-I remember them vividly.	0:14:43	0:14:45
-We used to have a race -to find a picture...	0:14:46	0:14:49
-..perhaps Moses parting the Red Sea.	0:14:49	0:14:52
-Then we tried to see who could -shut the Bibles most noisily!	0:14:54	0:14:59
-It's odd how much we remember, -although it's sketchy.	0:14:59	0:15:04
-I remember a lot about -that hour on Tuesday nights.	0:15:05	0:15:09
-I still remember the words of songs, -like "I'm in the Lord's Army".	0:15:10	0:15:14
-How did that go, Auntie Gaynor?	0:15:15	0:15:17
-# I'm too young to march with Him	0:15:17	0:15:19
-# I'm too young to march with Him - -# To ride in the cavalry #	0:15:19	0:15:21
-Gosh!	0:15:21	0:15:22
-# I'm in the Lord's Army, -yes, sir! #	0:15:26	0:15:29
-There's one important -thing I want to say.	0:15:31	0:15:34
-Whatever song we sang, -there was always a message.	0:15:35	0:15:39
-Like "Jesus came -to live in my heart".	0:15:40	0:15:42
-That expressed the Christianity -and evangelical tradition here.	0:15:43	0:15:49
-I remember seeing that -amongst the older chapel members.	0:15:49	0:15:54
-Jesus was alive in their hearts.	0:15:55	0:15:58
-The faith was real for them. Jesus -Christ was in their experience.	0:15:58	0:16:03
-They sang the hymns -and understood them.	0:16:03	0:16:06
-It was personal. -They had a rich faith.	0:16:06	0:16:10
-Is Katie there?	0:16:12	0:16:13
-It was clear that Steffan -and Rhodri still had a strong faith.	0:16:14	0:16:19
-But we were all still competitive.	0:16:20	0:16:23
-Someone mentioned Moses parting -the Red Sea. Let's look for it.	0:16:24	0:16:28
-The Old Testament!	0:16:32	0:16:33
-The Old Testament! - -Got it!	0:16:33	0:16:34
-Aah!	0:16:35	0:16:36
-The Last Supper?	0:16:38	0:16:39
-Got it!	0:16:46	0:16:47
-Rhodri!	0:16:47	0:16:48
-Sorry.	0:16:48	0:16:49
-You need to read your Bibles!	0:16:50	0:16:52
-You remember the page numbers!	0:16:52	0:16:55
-THEY SLAM BIBLES SHUT	0:16:55	0:16:57
-I also had a strong faith.	0:16:58	0:17:00
-I felt that Christ -had changed my heart...	0:17:01	0:17:04
-..in the same way that the Amman -Valley had changed for a while.	0:17:04	0:17:08
-But it's striking how quickly -the valley and I lost that faith.	0:17:08	0:17:12
-# Jesus came to live in my heart	0:17:14	0:17:17
-# Jesus came to live in my heart	0:17:18	0:17:22
-# My heart is joyful	0:17:23	0:17:25
-# Like wave after wave	0:17:25	0:17:29
-# Jesus came to live in my heart #	0:17:30	0:17:35
-It's morning.	0:17:41	0:17:42
-We're travelling to my old -secondary school to do a census.	0:17:43	0:17:47
-Perhaps Wales's chapels -are closing...	0:17:48	0:17:51
-..but the percentage of people -claiming to be Christians...	0:17:51	0:17:56
-..is still surprisingly high.	0:17:56	0:17:58
-I offered this opinion to Rhys...	0:17:58	0:18:01
-..as we discussed the results -of the latest census.	0:18:01	0:18:04
-57.6% of the people of Wales -still say they're Christians.	0:18:05	0:18:09
-What exactly was -the question in the census?	0:18:10	0:18:13
-"What is your religion?"	0:18:15	0:18:18
-That takes it for granted -that you have a religion.	0:18:18	0:18:22
-It's a loaded question.	0:18:25	0:18:27
-Yes. They should ask, -"Do you have a religion?"	0:18:27	0:18:31
-Maes Y Gwendraeth.	0:18:32	0:18:33
-So I returned -to my old secondary school...	0:18:35	0:18:38
-..to ask the same question, -but in these words.	0:18:38	0:18:42
-Do you have a religion?	0:18:42	0:18:44
-"Our Father.	0:18:44	0:18:46
-"Our Father, which art in heaven, -hallowed be thy name.	0:18:46	0:18:50
-"Thy kingdom come, -thy will be done...	0:18:50	0:18:54
-"..in earth as it is in heaven.	0:18:54	0:18:56
-"Give us this day our daily bread."	0:18:57	0:18:59
-The morning service hadn't changed.	0:19:00	0:19:02
-Hearing so many children pray -was an odd experience.	0:19:02	0:19:07
-How many of them believed the words?	0:19:07	0:19:10
-"The power and the glory, -forever and ever, Amen."	0:19:10	0:19:15
-Mr Thomas, thank you -for your welcome.	0:19:15	0:19:19
-May I ask a quick question?	0:19:19	0:19:21
-How many of you, -during the last few weeks...	0:19:21	0:19:25
-..have been to watch -a rugby or football match?	0:19:25	0:19:29
-Good.	0:19:32	0:19:34
-In the last two weeks, -how many of you...	0:19:34	0:19:37
-..have been in a religious building?	0:19:37	0:19:40
-Great.	0:19:42	0:19:43
-Few of the children went regularly -to a place of worship, it seemed.	0:19:44	0:19:48
-Would only a few feel -that they were religious?	0:19:49	0:19:52
-You can choose No Religion...	0:19:53	0:19:55
-..Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, -Judaism, Islam, Sikhism.	0:19:55	0:20:01
-The choice of religion -was the same as in the census.	0:20:01	0:20:05
-But we also asked about attending -a place of worship regularly.	0:20:05	0:20:11
-CHILDREN CHAT	0:20:11	0:20:12
-Where is the -Religious Education Room?	0:20:12	0:20:15
-This way?	0:20:15	0:20:17
-The children did the hard work -and sorted out the sheets.	0:20:19	0:20:24
-Do you have a religion? -Christianity. OK.	0:20:24	0:20:27
-What about No Religion?	0:20:28	0:20:30
-That's quite substantial too. -It's close.	0:20:30	0:20:34
-Are there any more?	0:20:34	0:20:36
-Jehovah's Witness.	0:20:36	0:20:39
-Then they were counted.	0:20:39	0:20:41
-Christianity next.	0:20:41	0:20:43
-115 persons.	0:20:43	0:20:45
-It's close.	0:20:46	0:20:47
-To be honest, I didn't think -Christianity would be this high.	0:20:48	0:20:52
-I don't know why.	0:20:53	0:20:54
-There are two more. What were they?	0:20:54	0:20:57
-Jehovah's Witnesses.	0:20:59	0:21:00
-Jehovah's Witnesses. - -Two Jehovah's Witnesses.	0:21:00	0:21:02
-Then we calculated the percentages.	0:21:03	0:21:06
-Then we calculated the percentages. - -Forty-seven.	0:21:06	0:21:07
-No Religion. 47%. Ben has -already worked it out. He's fast.	0:21:07	0:21:11
-Christianity?	0:21:12	0:21:12
-Christianity? - -52%.	0:21:12	0:21:14
-That looks right.	0:21:15	0:21:16
-It's a little higher -than I expected.	0:21:16	0:21:19
-Other religions?	0:21:20	0:21:21
-0.9%	0:21:23	0:21:24
-0.9%	0:21:26	0:21:28
-Let's have the percentage of -those who go to a place of worship.	0:21:30	0:21:34
-16%	0:21:36	0:21:38
-Thanks, Ben.	0:21:38	0:21:39
-Good.	0:21:45	0:21:46
-Those are our statistics.	0:21:48	0:21:50
-It was revealing that more than -half the children still felt...	0:21:56	0:22:01
-..that they were Christians, -although they didn't go to chapel.	0:22:01	0:22:05
-Maybe it shouldn't -have surprised me.	0:22:06	0:22:08
-It shows once more...	0:22:11	0:22:13
-..that Christianity, for Welsh -people, is in our blood.	0:22:13	0:22:17
-Like their parents, 52% of the -children say they're Christians.	0:22:17	0:22:22
-Who am I to question their faith?	0:22:23	0:22:25
-On the whole, that's because -they were brought up that way...	0:22:26	0:22:30
-..in Wales, as Christians.	0:22:30	0:22:32
-But we haven't heard here...	0:22:32	0:22:35
-..about growth in other religions.	0:22:35	0:22:38
-The number of Muslims has doubled. -How has that come about?	0:22:39	0:22:44
-Does it stem from having a religious -background as Welsh Christians do?	0:22:44	0:22:48
-Or are these people -brought up as Muslims?	0:22:48	0:22:52
-We'll see. -That's where we're going next.	0:22:53	0:22:56
-Have you got your suits, boys?	0:22:56	0:22:58
-We've been invited -to a rather special evening.	0:22:58	0:23:02
-.	0:23:02	0:23:02
-Subtitles	0:23:06	0:23:06
-Subtitles - -Subtitles	0:23:06	0:23:08
-Apart from Jehovah's Witnesses...	0:23:09	0:23:12
-..Maes Y Gwendraeth's pupils -hadn't noted other religions.	0:23:12	0:23:16
-But the last census showed that some -religions had grown in Wales.	0:23:17	0:23:21
-The number of Muslims had doubled.	0:23:22	0:23:24
-I received an invitation that might -give me a chance to ask about this.	0:23:24	0:23:29
-Muslim Council Of Wales.	0:23:30	0:23:31
-An invitation -to an interfaith supper...	0:23:32	0:23:35
-..in the name of the most -gracious and merciful God.	0:23:35	0:23:39
-In the name of Allah.	0:23:41	0:23:43
-Dress code... lounge suit, -evening dress, national dress.	0:23:44	0:23:48
-Alright.	0:23:50	0:23:51
-Do we have a national dress?	0:23:51	0:23:53
-Are you going as a miner?	0:23:53	0:23:55
-The supper was held -in Cardiff City Hall.	0:23:59	0:24:02
-Familiar and less familiar faces -had been invited.	0:24:02	0:24:06
-You are?	0:24:07	0:24:07
-You are? - -Gwion Hallam.	0:24:07	0:24:08
-Gwion Hallam!	0:24:08	0:24:10
-It's clearly an important event. -I've just met the Chief Rabbi.	0:24:14	0:24:18
-It took me some time to come in.	0:24:18	0:24:20
-Security is quite intense.	0:24:21	0:24:23
-But we're here.	0:24:23	0:24:25
-The Wales Muslim Council -arranged the evening...	0:24:27	0:24:31
-..to get the various -religions together.	0:24:31	0:24:34
-If I wanted an opportunity -to meet religious leaders...	0:24:34	0:24:38
-..and ordinary members -of religions in Wales, it's here.	0:24:38	0:24:43
-There's a table for me somewhere.	0:24:43	0:24:45
-I saw Abdul Azim, -who had invited me.	0:24:52	0:24:56
-He was one of the organizers of the -supper and vice-secretary of MCW.	0:24:56	0:25:01
-In a time of evident tension...	0:25:05	0:25:07
-..the religions of our country came -together round a table, literally...	0:25:08	0:25:13
-..to share a meal and experiences.	0:25:13	0:25:16
-But before we ate, -words of welcome were sung.	0:25:16	0:25:20
-# ISLAMIC CHANT #	0:25:20	0:25:22
-Two girls came onstage -to read from the Koran in Welsh.	0:25:38	0:25:42
-We Muslims believe in God -and what was sent down to us...	0:25:45	0:25:48
-..and to Abraham, Ishmael, -Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes.	0:25:49	0:25:53
-There was a good opportunity -to talk during the meal.	0:25:55	0:25:58
-I wanted to meet Muslims...	0:25:58	0:26:00
-..and ask about the religion -that has doubled in Wales.	0:26:00	0:26:04
-I especially wanted to talk to -the girls who read from the Koran.	0:26:05	0:26:09
-How are you, Sara?	0:26:09	0:26:11
-It's good to meet you.	0:26:11	0:26:13
-I'm Gwion.	0:26:13	0:26:15
-So you translated that piece.	0:26:15	0:26:17
-Yes.	0:26:18	0:26:19
-From Arabic or English?	0:26:19	0:26:21
-English.	0:26:21	0:26:22
-In this series, I confess that -I was raised in a Christian family.	0:26:22	0:26:27
-I don't really mean confess, -that sounds bad!	0:26:28	0:26:30
-But, to be honest, I don't believe -what I used to believe.	0:26:31	0:26:35
-Are there Muslims who -have similar experiences?	0:26:35	0:26:38
-People practise the religion -in different ways.	0:26:40	0:26:44
-Some people might think...	0:26:45	0:26:47
-..even though their family are all -Muslims, they don't think they are.	0:26:47	0:26:52
-Or they might not practise -the faith as much as other people.	0:26:52	0:26:57
-Personally, I feel happy with -my faith and try to practise it...	0:26:58	0:27:02
-..as much as I can.	0:27:02	0:27:04
-There was more food to come.	0:27:04	0:27:06
-Sara and Arooj suggested I come to -the Mosque on Friday to meet them...	0:27:06	0:27:11
-..and learn more about the faith.	0:27:12	0:27:14
-I looked forward -to my first experience...	0:27:14	0:27:18
-..of praying in a Mosque.	0:27:18	0:27:20
-But, before that, I planned to -call on my younger brother.	0:27:20	0:27:24
-He has kept his faith...	0:27:25	0:27:26
-..and is a minister at the -Cardiff Welsh Evangelical Church.	0:27:26	0:27:30
-Alright, boys?	0:27:30	0:27:31
-This is Whitchurch.	0:27:32	0:27:33
-I'm not going to church.	0:27:34	0:27:35
-But I'm looking for my brother.	0:27:36	0:27:38
-He doesn't live here.	0:27:38	0:27:40
-Confused?	0:27:41	0:27:42
-Trystan is a co-minister of the -city's Welsh Evangelical Church.	0:27:43	0:27:47
-Trystan is my youngest brother.	0:27:48	0:27:50
-His wife said he's here.	0:27:53	0:27:55
-Hiya.	0:27:57	0:27:58
-You locked it!	0:27:58	0:27:59
-Come in.	0:28:00	0:28:01
-Rhodri Jones, we meet again.	0:28:01	0:28:03
-Can we come in?	0:28:04	0:28:05
-I'm looking for Trystan.	0:28:06	0:28:07
-Come through.	0:28:08	0:28:09
-This house belongs to -my old friend Rhodri and his family.	0:28:09	0:28:13
-Trystan was there for Bible study.	0:28:13	0:28:16
-How are you?	0:28:16	0:28:17
-Are you OK?	0:28:17	0:28:18
-What brought you down -from the far north?	0:28:19	0:28:22
-You work hard -as an evangelical minister.	0:28:22	0:28:25
-I only work one day a week, -or so I'm told!	0:28:25	0:28:28
-Are you OK?	0:28:28	0:28:28
-Are you OK? - -Yes, thank you.	0:28:28	0:28:30
-Katherine said you were here.	0:28:30	0:28:32
-There's a house group here.	0:28:32	0:28:33
-There's a house group here. - -We're waiting for them.	0:28:33	0:28:35
-It's nice to study -and discuss the Bible together.	0:28:35	0:28:39
-I was glad to see Rhodri again.	0:28:39	0:28:41
-I was determined -to pull his leg this time.	0:28:42	0:28:45
-He's a Cardiff FC fan.	0:28:45	0:28:47
-Especially for you!	0:28:49	0:28:50
-If I'd known, -I wouldn't have let you in!	0:28:51	0:28:54
-I zipped up my coat on the way here.	0:28:54	0:28:57
-Rhodri was a Swansea fan, years ago.	0:28:57	0:29:00
-You took me to the Vetch -for the first time!	0:29:00	0:29:03
-How many people do you expect?	0:29:03	0:29:05
-It varies.	0:29:05	0:29:06
-Sometimes, five or six come.	0:29:07	0:29:09
-At the end of the month, we usually -divide into smaller groups.	0:29:09	0:29:14
-There's a prayer meeting and study -every week. More come to that.	0:29:14	0:29:18
-At the end of the month, -we have two small groups.	0:29:19	0:29:22
-You're kind to invite them.	0:29:22	0:29:24
-With all the children, you have -enough for your own house group.	0:29:25	0:29:29
-After we last met, -I went to look for photos.	0:29:29	0:29:33
-Some were of both of us.	0:29:34	0:29:36
-They're from years ago.	0:29:38	0:29:40
-This is typical.	0:29:41	0:29:43
-LAUGHTER	0:29:44	0:29:45
-It typifies the relationship, -you making fun of me, mostly!	0:29:45	0:29:50
-This is in the camp. The brothers.	0:29:50	0:29:53
-Thin, handsome, with hair!	0:29:53	0:29:54
-Thin, handsome, with hair! - -I don't think I'd woken up.	0:29:54	0:29:56
-Was that Bryn-y-groes?	0:29:56	0:29:57
-Was that Bryn-y-groes? - -Christian camp.	0:29:57	0:29:59
-Bryn-y-groes Christian camp.	0:29:59	0:30:01
-Trys, we haven't changed at all.	0:30:01	0:30:02
-Trys, we haven't changed at all. - -Good grief.	0:30:02	0:30:04
-I sometimes ask people, -"Do you know Gwion Hallam?"	0:30:04	0:30:08
-They say, "Oh, yes, -the bloke with a lot of hair."	0:30:08	0:30:12
-They still say that!	0:30:12	0:30:14
-They still say that! - -You've transplanted it.	0:30:14	0:30:16
-It's on your chin instead.	0:30:16	0:30:18
-Hello. Come in.	0:30:20	0:30:21
-People began to arrive for Bible -study, which Trystan would lead.	0:30:22	0:30:26
-But I wanted to ask him -a few questions.	0:30:26	0:30:29
-We'll go through.	0:30:29	0:30:31
-OK. People are arriving.	0:30:31	0:30:32
-OK. People are arriving. - -Yes. We'd better go.	0:30:32	0:30:33
-Are you around tomorrow?	0:30:33	0:30:35
-Are you around tomorrow? - -Yes. Will you call?	0:30:35	0:30:36
-I'll be working in the chapel.	0:30:37	0:30:38
-I'll be working in the chapel. - -OK.	0:30:38	0:30:39
-It's noisy at home -with two children.	0:30:39	0:30:42
-Two isn't a lot!	0:30:42	0:30:43
-Two isn't a lot! - -I know!	0:30:43	0:30:44
-See you tomorrow.	0:30:44	0:30:45
-Ta-ra.	0:30:46	0:30:47
-Right.	0:30:48	0:30:49
-As the last person arrived, -I left them to study.	0:30:51	0:30:56
-I've been here once before.	0:31:00	0:31:02
-The next morning, I'm in Cathays, at -Cardiff's Welsh Evangelical Church.	0:31:02	0:31:07
-It's open and welcoming.	0:31:08	0:31:10
-OK?	0:31:11	0:31:12
-Hello!	0:31:13	0:31:14
-Trystan!	0:31:14	0:31:15
-Trystan! - -Hi!	0:31:15	0:31:16
-Are you OK? We've arrived.	0:31:17	0:31:19
-I found it quite easily.	0:31:19	0:31:21
-Good. Welcome.	0:31:21	0:31:22
-I've been here once before.	0:31:23	0:31:25
-I've been here once before. - -Yes.	0:31:25	0:31:26
-The Evangelical Church -was established in 1979.	0:31:26	0:31:30
-People met in their homes before -buying this building in the 1990s.	0:31:30	0:31:35
-Does this place get full?	0:31:35	0:31:37
-Does this place get full? - -Yes.	0:31:37	0:31:38
-It gets full on Sunday mornings -when between 60 and 100 come here.	0:31:39	0:31:43
-Most of the congregation -are families...	0:31:44	0:31:47
-..between twenty -and forty years old.	0:31:48	0:31:51
-So most of the people are young.	0:31:53	0:31:54
-So most of the people are young. - -Yes.	0:31:54	0:31:55
-I wanted to ask him about -religious faith in Wales...	0:31:56	0:31:59
-..and about how different -our beliefs have become.	0:31:59	0:32:03
-We've been back to Ysgol Maes -Y Gwendraeth, our old school.	0:32:04	0:32:08
-52% of the children still -ticked the Christianity box.	0:32:08	0:32:12
-Do you find that uplifting?	0:32:12	0:32:14
-It's always uplifting if people -know something about the Bible...	0:32:15	0:32:19
-..and know stories -about Lord Jesus Christ.	0:32:20	0:32:24
-God can use that.	0:32:24	0:32:26
-But I'm not sure if I find it -uplifting if 52 people tick a box.	0:32:26	0:32:31
-What part does upbringing play?	0:32:31	0:32:34
-We had exactly the same -upbringing, I'd say.	0:32:34	0:32:38
-Why are you still a believer?	0:32:39	0:32:42
-Upbringing must have something to do -with the fact we were believers...	0:32:42	0:32:47
-..up to a certain point.	0:32:47	0:32:49
-I'm grateful for my upbringing.	0:32:49	0:32:50
-I'm grateful for my upbringing. - -So am I.	0:32:50	0:32:51
-I'm sure you are.	0:32:51	0:32:53
-But there's truth in the old joke.	0:32:54	0:32:57
-Being born in a stable -doesn't make you a horse or a cow.	0:32:57	0:33:01
-Being born into a Christian family -doesn't make you a Christian.	0:33:01	0:33:06
-It doesn't automatically -make you a Christian.	0:33:06	0:33:09
-It's difficult to measure influence.	0:33:10	0:33:12
-Praying and reading the Bible was -as natural as speaking Welsh.	0:33:13	0:33:18
-It must have an influence.	0:33:18	0:33:20
-Many people in the church -grew up in families...	0:33:21	0:33:24
-..where they heard -the Bible's teachings.	0:33:24	0:33:28
-I knew some of the people in -Rhodri and Anwen's house last night.	0:33:28	0:33:33
-We grew up with those families -and went to Christian camps.	0:33:33	0:33:38
-But none of them would -say they became Christians...	0:33:38	0:33:42
-..because they were -related to certain people.	0:33:42	0:33:46
-That's a denial -of the Christian faith.	0:33:46	0:33:49
-The Christian faith claims -that it is God who changes us.	0:33:49	0:33:52
-Influences can be fine.	0:33:53	0:33:54
-For God to work...	0:33:54	0:33:56
-..I have to know the Bible and -about the life of Lord Jesus Christ.	0:33:56	0:34:01
-I have to know about my sins -and the death of Jesus Christ.	0:34:01	0:34:05
-We must have knowledge.	0:34:05	0:34:07
-But we, as boys, -like the children here...	0:34:07	0:34:11
-..and children in chapels -without the evangelical label...	0:34:11	0:34:15
-..also heard about sin and -the need for forgiveness for sin.	0:34:15	0:34:21
-Is that healthy?	0:34:22	0:34:24
-Is it healthy? Oh, yes.	0:34:25	0:34:27
-If you go to the doctor, -you go because you're ill.	0:34:27	0:34:31
-Things aren't right -between us and God.	0:34:32	0:34:35
-Yes, we are sinners.	0:34:35	0:34:36
-Amazingly, God can change that. -He forgave our sins on the Cross.	0:34:36	0:34:41
-How do you feel?	0:34:41	0:34:43
-This means so much to you, -and I'm glad it does.	0:34:43	0:34:47
-I hope I don't seem insincere...	0:34:47	0:34:50
-..as I undertake this journey -and try to be open about it.	0:34:50	0:34:54
-How do you feel about it?	0:34:54	0:34:56
-We're still brothers. -I appreciate that you still text me.	0:34:56	0:35:00
-On my first Sunday preaching here, -you texted me to wish me well.	0:35:01	0:35:05
-There is a brotherly love.	0:35:06	0:35:09
-I enjoy coming to see you -and the family.	0:35:09	0:35:12
-Of course, I'm sad -and sometimes, I weep...	0:35:12	0:35:15
-..because you don't believe.	0:35:16	0:35:18
-But then I look at my God.	0:35:19	0:35:21
-My God can change people's hearts.	0:35:21	0:35:24
-I know people who retreated from -their faith for maybe 30 years.	0:35:24	0:35:28
-They returned.	0:35:28	0:35:30
-You might think you'll never return.	0:35:30	0:35:33
-But my God, and your God...	0:35:34	0:35:36
-..is most able -and strong enough to do that.	0:35:36	0:35:39
-Thanks for being ready to meet me.	0:35:40	0:35:43
-Fine.	0:35:43	0:35:44
-Hey!	0:35:45	0:35:46
-Right.	0:35:48	0:35:49
-Thanks for the cuppa.	0:35:49	0:35:50
-Thanks for the cuppa. - -So I'm doing the dishes!	0:35:50	0:35:51
-You can wash. -Some things never change.	0:35:51	0:35:54
-Bye. Lovely to see you.	0:35:55	0:35:57
-And you. Ta-ra.	0:35:57	0:35:58
-It was good to talk.	0:36:06	0:36:07
-Trystan felt that -his God was strong enough.	0:36:07	0:36:11
-It was good to see that our -relationship was strong enough too.	0:36:11	0:36:15
-.	0:36:16	0:36:16
-Subtitles	0:36:19	0:36:19
-Subtitles - -Subtitles	0:36:19	0:36:21
-Have you been in a Mosque?	0:36:21	0:36:22
-Have you been in a Mosque? - -No.	0:36:22	0:36:23
-Sion, have you?	0:36:23	0:36:24
-Sion, have you? - -Yes.	0:36:24	0:36:25
-Where?	0:36:26	0:36:26
-Where? - -Cardiff.	0:36:26	0:36:27
-But not this one.	0:36:28	0:36:29
-We're going to a mosque in Cathays.	0:36:30	0:36:32
-Its congregation has grown -a great deal.	0:36:33	0:36:36
-They sell halal food here.	0:36:37	0:36:39
-Guaranteed halal.	0:36:39	0:36:41
-Where now?	0:36:43	0:36:45
-There it is.	0:36:46	0:36:47
-Dar Ul-Isra.	0:36:49	0:36:50
-Muslim Educational -And Welfare Centre.	0:36:51	0:36:53
-It doesn't look like a mosque, -but I'm sure that's it.	0:36:54	0:36:58
-You lead the way, Abdul.	0:37:00	0:37:02
-Abdul Azim, an organizer of the -interfaith supper, is a member...	0:37:02	0:37:07
-..so are Sara and Arooj, -the girls who read from the Koran.	0:37:07	0:37:11
-I was meeting them later.	0:37:12	0:37:14
-The mosque is an old church hall -which has been adapted.	0:37:19	0:37:22
-Only men worship on this side.	0:37:23	0:37:25
-There is another entrance -and other rooms for women.	0:37:25	0:37:28
-It's Friday...	0:37:35	0:37:36
-..the day the Koran says everyone -who can, should go to the mosque.	0:37:36	0:37:41
-It's 1.00pm and many men have -left work to come to pray.	0:37:41	0:37:46
-CALL TO PRAYER	0:37:48	0:37:50
-As the Call To Prayer is chanted, -the place fills.	0:37:57	0:38:00
-Other Muslims do the same thing -across the city.	0:38:02	0:38:05
-SERMON	0:38:20	0:38:22
-Dear brothers, dear sisters.	0:38:28	0:38:30
-Abdul Azim said there -were 500 men in this room...	0:38:31	0:38:36
-..and 300 more men downstairs.	0:38:36	0:38:39
-There were about 200 women -in another room.	0:38:39	0:38:42
-Everyone heard the same sermon -on the sound system...	0:38:43	0:38:47
-..the same message, -to bear witness to Allah.	0:38:47	0:38:50
-This is our work as Muslims.	0:38:51	0:38:53
-There are men of all ages, -but many are young.	0:38:54	0:38:57
-Some are very young.	0:38:57	0:38:59
-MUSLIM CHANT	0:39:01	0:39:03
-Bowing as low as this is a way of -expressing total submission to God.	0:39:28	0:39:33
-It's a physical expression of faith.	0:39:33	0:39:36
-It's a unique, totally -new experience for me, for us.	0:39:49	0:39:54
-Being in a room with 500 men, -and only men, was powerful.	0:39:57	0:40:02
-In the weekly prayer meeting -in Caersalem, Tycroes...	0:40:03	0:40:07
-..the men sat on one side, -the women on the other.	0:40:08	0:40:11
-It was the custom.	0:40:11	0:40:13
-The same as here, in a way, although -there are deeper reasons behind it.	0:40:13	0:40:17
-There were children here.	0:40:18	0:40:19
-But only boys.	0:40:20	0:40:21
-That's it.	0:40:22	0:40:23
-It's something -I'll remember forever.	0:40:24	0:40:27
-After everyone had left, -I talked to Abdul Azim.	0:40:28	0:40:31
-It seems to be in decline, -Christianity in Wales...	0:40:31	0:40:35
-..or at least -the Welsh-language chapels.	0:40:35	0:40:38
-In Cardiff, -Islam is on the increase.	0:40:38	0:40:41
-In Wales over the past ten years, -it's doubled in numbers.	0:40:41	0:40:45
-What accounts for that?	0:40:45	0:40:47
-Part of it is simply that -Muslims are a young community.	0:40:47	0:40:51
-The population was -expected to increase...	0:40:51	0:40:54
-..due to the numbers who -came here in the 1960s and 1970s.	0:40:55	0:40:58
-The children of those families.	0:40:59	0:41:01
-Like me, a second generation -British-born Muslim.	0:41:01	0:41:05
-There are a number of converts. -Some of them you saw here.	0:41:05	0:41:09
-Individuals rediscover -their faith in later life.	0:41:09	0:41:13
-Media attention does help people -be more introspective about faith.	0:41:13	0:41:18
-Were you brought to the mosque -as a boy, like the young kids here?	0:41:18	0:41:23
-Yes, but not here.	0:41:23	0:41:25
-My parents took me to their -local mosque, also in Cardiff.	0:41:25	0:41:29
-I used to come for Eid prayers -sometimes on a Friday...	0:41:29	0:41:33
-..if I didn't have school.	0:41:33	0:41:35
-I was someone who came and had a bit -of upbringing in a mosque as well.	0:41:35	0:41:40
-How do you make sure -those kids still believe?	0:41:40	0:41:44
-Is it tradition?	0:41:44	0:41:45
-Is it custom?	0:41:45	0:41:47
-Is it bringing them here, -or is it something spiritual?	0:41:47	0:41:51
-I'm sure it's a bit of both.	0:41:51	0:41:53
-Children, brought up in a mosque, -are given the literacy...	0:41:53	0:41:58
-..the ability to know -how to engage with a religion.	0:41:58	0:42:02
-Parents bring children here -so they know how to pray.	0:42:02	0:42:06
-They know how to read the Koran.	0:42:06	0:42:08
-Later, it becomes something more -than just culture and tradition.	0:42:09	0:42:13
-It might become -a meaningful connection to God.	0:42:13	0:42:17
-That option's there for them.	0:42:18	0:42:20
-The girls are somewhere else. -Perhaps you can show the way.	0:42:20	0:42:24
-Sure. Let's grab our shoes and bags.	0:42:24	0:42:26
-Sure. Let's grab our shoes and bags. - -Yes.	0:42:26	0:42:27
-Diolch yn fawr.	0:42:27	0:42:29
-CHANT ON LOUDSPEAKER	0:42:33	0:42:35
-After finding Sara and Arooj...	0:42:42	0:42:44
-..there was another call -to prayer on the loudspeaker...	0:42:44	0:42:48
-..the fourth of five daily prayers.	0:42:48	0:42:51
-Was that the Call To Prayer?	0:42:52	0:42:53
-Was that the Call To Prayer? - -Yes.	0:42:53	0:42:54
-There's another one now.	0:42:55	0:42:56
-Yes. It calls everyone together.	0:42:57	0:42:59
-They're starting to pray.	0:42:59	0:43:01
-Yes.	0:43:01	0:43:02
-But only indoors.	0:43:03	0:43:05
-Yes.	0:43:06	0:43:07
-In Muslim countries...	0:43:08	0:43:10
-..they have loudspeakers on towers.	0:43:11	0:43:13
-Everyone can hear it.	0:43:14	0:43:16
-Does that happen -in a mosque in Cardiff?	0:43:17	0:43:21
-No.	0:43:21	0:43:22
-Only people in the mosque hear.	0:43:23	0:43:26
-People have speakers at home.	0:43:27	0:43:29
-In our house, we have a radio.	0:43:30	0:43:32
-When the Call To Prayer comes, -it's on the radio in our house.	0:43:33	0:43:39
-After the prayers ended, I asked -them why they were believers.	0:43:42	0:43:46
-You're both from Cardiff.	0:43:46	0:43:49
-Are you Muslims because -you were brought up as Muslims?	0:43:52	0:43:56
-At first, yes.	0:43:57	0:43:58
-We grew up with the faith...	0:43:58	0:44:00
-..that we're Muslim.	0:44:01	0:44:03
-Mam and Dad told us we're Muslims -and should learn certain things.	0:44:04	0:44:09
-I went to Islamic School.	0:44:11	0:44:13
-But it's only now I've started -reading into my religion.	0:44:15	0:44:20
-I attend lectures here...	0:44:22	0:44:24
-..and really pray, -if that makes sense.	0:44:25	0:44:28
-I feel in my heart that -this is the right religion for me.	0:44:30	0:44:34
-This is the one -I want to follow in my life.	0:44:34	0:44:37
-Why do you think the number -of Muslims has doubled?	0:44:37	0:44:42
-It might be because -there are a lot of bad things...	0:44:42	0:44:45
-..about Muslims in the news.	0:44:46	0:44:48
-Maybe people are looking into -the religion...	0:44:48	0:44:52
-..to see if it's as bad -as the news makes it sound.	0:44:53	0:44:56
-Is it perhaps because -Muslims are more devout...	0:44:57	0:45:01
-..and also that they are a minority, -whereas Christians are everywhere?	0:45:01	0:45:06
-If you're not in a majority...	0:45:07	0:45:09
-..you have to make more effort...	0:45:09	0:45:12
-..to understand -your religion and culture.	0:45:13	0:45:16
-Sara and I went -to a Welsh-medium school.	0:45:17	0:45:20
-We weren't in the majority at all.	0:45:21	0:45:24
-Are there other -Welsh-speaking Muslims here?	0:45:24	0:45:28
-Not in this mosque. -We're the only ones.	0:45:28	0:45:31
-Our families began going -to Welsh-medium schools.	0:45:31	0:45:35
-When I was in school, -there weren't a lot.	0:45:35	0:45:38
-But in Welsh-medium schools now, -there are many more Muslims.	0:45:38	0:45:43
-So it's becoming more of a part -of the Welsh community too...	0:45:43	0:45:47
-..as well as within -the Muslim community.	0:45:47	0:45:49
-So, in this series, if I ask if -Wales still has religious belief...	0:45:49	0:45:53
-..what would your answer be, Sara?	0:45:53	0:45:56
-Yes.	0:45:56	0:45:57
-Yes.	0:45:58	0:45:59
-The Muslims I met -had strong beliefs...	0:46:02	0:46:06
-..and were loyal to the mosque.	0:46:06	0:46:08
-Unlike many Christians in Wales...	0:46:09	0:46:12
-..their faith wasn't -just a tick in a box.	0:46:12	0:46:16
-Travelling back to north Wales, -Rhys and I returned to this subject.	0:46:16	0:46:21
-Why do so many people still -call themselves Christians...	0:46:22	0:46:26
-..even though -they don't attend chapel?	0:46:27	0:46:29
-I wanted to show you this.	0:46:30	0:46:32
-Only one of the school pupils -broke the rule and put two ticks.	0:46:32	0:46:36
-One tick in the No Religion box...	0:46:37	0:46:39
-..and also a tick -in the Christianity box.	0:46:39	0:46:42
-So 50-50.	0:46:42	0:46:43
-I'd say that's how -most people in Wales feel now.	0:46:44	0:46:48
-He put two because he couldn't put -a tick in the No Religion box.	0:46:49	0:46:53
-It's because we've been a Christian -country for so many decades...	0:46:53	0:46:58
-..and influenced by huge chapels, -like this one in Caernarfon.	0:46:58	0:47:04
-Is it Salem or Seilo?	0:47:05	0:47:06
-In every town and village, -these chapels cast a long shadow.	0:47:07	0:47:12
-We can't change that.	0:47:12	0:47:14
-It's still in our blood.	0:47:14	0:47:16
-In the next census, they should -have a box with agnostic...	0:47:18	0:47:22
-..for people like you -who sit on the fence.	0:47:22	0:47:25
-Sitting on the fence.	0:47:26	0:47:27
-Perhaps I am guilty -of sitting on the fence.	0:47:30	0:47:34
-But that's not a safe place to be.	0:47:34	0:47:36
-It's honestly admitting that I don't -know the answers any more.	0:47:36	0:47:40
-There's a reason -to continue with the journey.	0:47:41	0:47:45
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