Pennod 3 Cymru: Dal i Gredu?

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-Alright, Ned?

-We're going on a journey.

-Do you want to see chapels?

-Do you want to see chapels?

-

-No.

-Nedw, my son, has no choice

-but to join us on our journey.

-Felinheli chapels -

-an educational tour.

-Are you ready, Sion?

-Can you see how excited Sion is?

-Onward to Canaan!

-I'm Gwion Hallam,

-a television director.

-The film crew and I

-have been on a journey...

-..to discover if the people of Wales

-still believe in God.

-Chapels were important in Wales,

-and so was Christianity to me.

-I don't believe anymore.

-Felinheli is no different

-from any Welsh village...

-..except that it has better views.

-Chapels were a part

-of the landscape.

-There were five chapels here...

-..according to Len Williams'

-excellent book.

-Do you want to see the chapels?

-Do you want to see the chapels?

-

-Yes.

-Yes!

-Only one chapel is open now.

-It's happening all over Wales.

-Only one in ten of us

-regularly attend chapel.

-Chapels, once the heart

-of the community, are closing.

-Capel Elim. That's where it was.

-There's a plaque here now. We

-still want to remember the chapels.

-The second chapel

-has disappeared altogether...

-..not that Nedw is interested.

-This was the second chapel.

-The boom is more fun than

-going to see blinkin' chapels.

-This is the third chapel.

-Salim Baptist chapel,

-according to the book.

-At least we can see a chapel.

-The deacons' seat is now a balcony.

-Nedw's sleeping.

-Are you OK, Ned?

-Sorry. We won't do a tour

-of chapels for a while.

-Ouch!

-There's one way to wake you.

-Many chapels have left

-a gap in the landscape.

-Have they left a social gap?

-And even a moral one?

-It's one thing to say

-we've lost our religion.

-Have we also lost

-what once sustained society?

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-Are you glad to be back

-in the Amman Valley?

-Whatever Rhys

-the cameraman thinks...

-..I'm glad to be back in the place

-where I was brought up.

-I'm going to Caersalem,

-the family chapel.

-Chapels were the glue

-that held communities together.

-Are you saying there's a link

-between morality and religion?

-I don't know.

-Yes, to a certain degree.

-I often ask myself, am

-I less moral since I lost my faith?

-Am I more selfish?

-Am I less thoughtful?

-Are you?

-Are you?

-

-I don't know.

-I haven't been here in years.

-It hasn't changed at all.

-Why would it?

-The organ is new.

-There was a real organ here,

-not that I'm saying this isn't.

-The organist wasn't up to much!

-I played for a few years

-until someone better came along.

-# Here is love, vast as the ocean

-# Loving kindness as the flood

-# When the Prince of Life #

-I heard about this love in chapel...

-..but the vestry brought it alive.

-Tea rather than the sermons.

-My parents played a central part.

-My father, Peter, led Sunday School.

-Glesni, my mother, was a teacher.

-They were prominent members...

-..until they moved

-to a new church a few years ago...

-..to the surprise of some.

-They still live by the chapel.

-Hello.

-My parents attend

-Ammanford Evangelical Church now.

-I want to go there with them.

-Why did they leave

-the Welsh chapel...

-..that was so central

-to their lives?

-It was a big decision,

-and one we took very seriously.

-It wasn't a snap decision.

-We gave it a great deal of thought.

-We gave it a great deal of thought.

-

-Why?

-Why did we leave?

-Fewer and fewer people

-were coming to chapel.

-It seemed only

-the older generation attended.

-The chapel's main purpose

-was maintaining the status quo.

-The ability to reach out...

-..with Christ's love wasn't there.

-It's growing where you're going.

-It's growing where you're going.

-

-Yes.

-Why?

-Good question.

-The spiritual answer is,

-God wants it to grow.

-You believe, too.

-For practical reasons...

-..rather than wait

-for people to come to us...

-..we're reaching out to society...

-..to show Christ's love...

-..in food banks...

-..and clubs for the elderly.

-In Ammanford...

-..they wanted to promote the Welsh

-language within the church.

-The reason for leaving Caersalem

-was a kind of calling.

-And there was a clause,

-"We will be working in Welsh."

-How do you feel about my journey...

-..revisiting places like Caersalem?

-Your mother and I hope...

-..that you'll realize that

-without God, there is nothing.

-We wish you could find hope

-in His Word.

-My hope is that someone like you,

-in particular...

-..can say

-what you heard in Caersalem...

-..and what you'll hear this morning

-is relevant to our lives.

-We're going to

-Llandybie Community Hall.

-The church in Ammanford

-is too small by now.

-They hire quite a big hall.

-Unlike many chapels...

-..we started with a coffee.

-We chatted before worshiping.

-# Rejoice! Rejoice!

-# Let every tongue rejoice!

-# One heart, one voice

-# Oh, Church of Christ, rejoice! #

-Maybe I didn't join in the singing,

-but newcomers are welcomed.

-My name's Sammy. I'm one

-of the leaders in the church.

-A special warm welcome

-if you're new to us.

-Can I direct your attention over

-to our welcome desk.

-It's got information about us...

-..a form you can fill

-to share your details with us.

-And then more singing,

-with signing this time.

-Auntie Ann, my father's sister,

-signed so the deaf could join in.

-There is a community here,

-sharing with each other...

-..celebrating a love...

-..that is the greatest example

-of love to Christians.

-Jesus, we read of you.

-You came eating, drinking,

-sharing the bread and the wine...

-..in your last supper

-before the Cross.

-And then the Communion, a symbol

-of the sacrifice of the Cross.

-This sharing ties everyone together.

-But it felt right to me

-to pass the plate on.

-Our strength in weakness.

-Our victory.

-Hallelujah.

-What a saviour.

-Must you be an evangelical minister

-to wear spectacles like this?

-I'm back.

-But I'm not. It's lovely to be

-back with family and old friends.

-I don't feel I belong

-to this community anymore.

-That was lovely.

-But there was something

-difficult about it...

-..something bittersweet.

-It was like coming home...

-..the welcome, the love, people

-from all sorts of backgrounds.

-That's what I remember

-of my childhood in Ammanford.

-Christ's love reaching out to all.

-You didn't take the Communion.

-No.

-I didn't think it would be right.

-I don't believe.

-What would your father make of that?

-I think he'd understand.

-You'll have to ask him.

-I need a piece of paper,

-to do something I did as a child.

-If I can remember

-how to fold the paper...

-..I can show how central

-the Cross was to my faith...

-..how the message of the Cross

-destroyed it in the end.

-There is one tear. That's the point.

-Out of the one tear...

-..the message of the Cross

-became clear.

-Very good.

-It's a bit windy.

-We used the other pieces...

-..to explain the Cross...

-..to spell out one word.

-And that's just it.

-Christians

-believe Hell is part of the Cross.

-Without Hell, there was no reason

-for Christ to die.

-To me, as a Christian...

-..I couldn't accept it.

-The God of Love

-wanted to frighten people...

-..and even children...

-..so they would love him back.

-That's one of the main reasons

-why I stopped believing.

-We continued our quest

-to find other believers...

-..and a faith that's totally new

-to me.

-It's a religion

-that emphasizes community and love.

-OK.

-Sikhs.

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-This is another chapel.

-It's not quite a chapel now.

-We're a bit early.

-I'll go in to ask.

-This was once a Baptist chapel

-in Splott, Cardiff.

-It wasn't converted or demolished.

-It was turned into a Gurdwara

-for the city's Sikhs.

-We were asked to cover our heads

-as a mark of respect to God's House.

-Something smells good.

-Like in Ammanford Evangelical

-Church, we were greeted with tea.

-We followed our noses

-to the kitchen.

-The practical side

-is central to the Sikh faith.

-Actions are as important as words.

-CHANTING

-Over the loudspeaker...

-..I heard readings or prayers

-from another part of the building.

-To Sikhs, there is a relationship

-between believing and doing...

-..the spiritual and physical

-becoming one.

-Nice, Sion?

-SINGING OF WORDS

-FROM THE HOLY BOOK

-This is the Darbar, the prayer hall.

-I listened with the others

-to a reading from the Holy Book.

-SINGING OF WORDS

-FROM THE HOLY BOOK

-The book is Guru Granth Sahib.

-It's like a living guru to Sikhs

-and is treated like a person.

-The chauri fan purifies

-the air that surrounds him.

-A bowl, similar

-to a Communion plate, arrived.

-It was some sort of porridge.

-Without thinking,

-I took some and asked later.

-What is it?

-What is it?

-

-This is parshad.

-It's made of wheat, flour

-and butter.

-It's Karah Parshad.

-There are equal measures

-of sugar, flour and butter...

-..to underline

-that everyone is equal.

-Afterwards,

-I went back to the Langar...

-..where people socialize and eat,

-like in a vestry.

-I met Sonia Kaur.

-You learnt Welsh in primary school.

-You learnt Welsh in primary school.

-

-In Aberangell.

-I used to go to Sunday School

-in Aberangell, too.

-Though familiar with Welsh culture,

-Sonia lives in Northampton now.

-She's back in Cardiff today

-where she was in college.

-You have to eat everything

-on the plate.

-I have to eat everything?

-Is it disrespectful if I don't?

-The food was prepared

-in the Gurdwara...

-..and so it is all blessed.

-I sat on the floor to eat

-and chat to Sonia.

-What is your faith, as a Sikh?

-What do you believe in?

-Is it all about

-tradition and customs?

-Or is it something spiritual?

-To me, being a Sikh...

-..is a way of life.

-It's a belief

-in a respectable way of life...

-..and giving to those

-less fortunate.

-We're eating...

-..and sitting down

-at the same level.

-There are older people who aren't.

-It ties into what you say.

-It's this feeling of equality.

-It's this feeling of equality.

-

-Exactly.

-Anyone would be welcomed today.

-Anyone would be welcomed today.

-

-Yes.

-A lot of Gurdwaras

-go out in the community...

-..and donate food

-to those less fortunate.

-Many homeless people...

-..come to the Gurdwara

-and they have a hot meal.

-CHANTING OF BELIEFS

-AS THEY PREPARE FOOD

-The kitchen is full of people

-cooking to perform the Seva.

-It's the act of selfless serving.

-To Sikhs, completing the Seva

-brings them closer to God.

-A lot of people want to be a part

-of the Seva.

-The men and women are preparing

-the food for this afternoon.

-What are they chanting?

-That God is in everyone

-and all around us.

-The people

-who are preparing the food...

-..means the food is blessed.

-They repeat the same thing

-over and over.

-They make sure their heads

-are covered...

-..so everything is pure.

-That isn't Health And Safety.

-It's spiritual purity.

-Exactly.

-Performing Seva

-to get closer to God...

-..is so different

-from what I used to believe.

-As a Christian, I could only

-be purified through Christ's death.

-Washing the dishes

-couldn't cleanse my soul.

-Sikhs have more than one way.

-We mentioned

-the people washing dishes.

-People can also clean shoes.

-We believe we are here...

-..to do as much good as we can.

-We believe

-we're here for a purpose...

-..to give something back

-to the community and people.

-One day, we will all die

-and stand before God.

-I want to be able to say I've

-tried to do as much as I could...

-..to make the world a better place.

-CHANTING OF BELIEFS

-Outside the Gurdwara,

-there's more purifying.

-The annual ceremony that's part

-of the Vaisakhi festival...

-..to celebrate the baptism

-of the first Khalsa Sikhs...

-..300 years ago.

-Khalsa means pure.

-CHANTING OF BELIEFS

-There's a pole and banner

-outside every Gurdwara.

-The pole is purified

-in water and milk.

-CHANTING OF BELIEFS

-As we watched the banner being put

-in place, Nick introduced himself.

-He comes from England and

-is keen to discuss his new faith.

-Were you brought up a Sikh?

-Were you brought up a Sikh?

-

-I only became a Sikh two years ago.

-I met a Sikh in my second year

-of university in Cardiff...

-..and moved in with him.

-He introduced me to the religion

-and I started reading the scripture.

-I was amazed.

-It really connected to me.

-What attracted you to the religion?

-What makes you believe?

-I think just the balance

-of spirituality...

-..but with practical principles.

-We have selfless service...

-..and something

-we do in university...

-..in Sikh societies

-every Wednesday...

-..is to out into the city centre

-and we try and feed the homeless.

-CHANTING OF BELIEFS

-Here is an example of the link

-between faith and morality.

-The students look

-after the homeless...

-..and it all stems from here.

-The believers worship together

-and declare their faith.

-They also live it, through

-reaching out to the community.

-That's what Sonia and I discussed

-before I left...

-..the role of religion and faith

-in society...

-..and how the chapels

-were central to that.

-It's disappointing

-to see chapels closing...

-..and empty.

-They were there for a reason.

-It's sad no-one is using them.

-It's perfect to have

-the Sikh Gurdwara in a chapel.

-The chapel is used to worship God.

-It's important to Sikhs

-to belong to the community.

-As a child,

-my family went to the Gurdwara.

-We met uncles and aunties there.

-It's where we gathered.

-Perhaps that's been lost.

-People gathering, eating together...

-..enjoying each other's company.

-CHANTING OF BELIEFS

-It's a matter of opinion

-whether that's been lost.

-It hasn't in the Gurdwara in Splott.

-An old Welsh chapel

-is still being of service.

-A religious community

-worship and meet here...

-..as I did

-in Caersalem chapel and vestry.

-The children would love it here.

-You'd like Nedw.

-You and Nedw would be big friends.

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-Days after returning from

-the Gurdwara and we're off again.

-The Sikh experience was valuable.

-Selfless serving is a fundamental

-part of their religion.

-Surely there's a link

-between morality and religion?

-But Rhys had a point to make.

-Before we go, I have a present

-for you from Oxford.

-Here are two badges for you.

-Thanks!

-Happy Humanist and Good Without God.

-Aren't they good?

-You can be an atheist and be moral.

-Or immoral. Thanks, Rhys.

-You're welcome.

-You're welcome.

-

-I'll wear them.

-We're not going to a chapel, but it

-promises to be a special experience.

-We can't not film this.

-There won't be one like it

-until 2026. I have the technology.

-Perhaps we'll all see the light,

-Rhys!

-Or not.

-Or not.

-

-Yes!

-Let's head for the mountains.

-People have come

-to the shores of Padarn Lake...

-..to see the eclipse.

-There are occasions that draw people

-together to watch in wonderment.

-I'd say it's halfway, as an expert!

-It's like a smile.

-The gods are still smiling on us.

-That's what people used to believe.

-There is a sense of something

-incredible happening.

-It's an amazing sight.

-It makes me think about

-a hymn we sang as children.

-"How can we measure the blue sky?

-"How many stars are overhead?

-"The world whispers to you,

-little child, how great is God."

-Do you think this proves

-there is a God?

-No. I feel small, compared

-to the universe that's so big.

-It's something to wonder at.

-It's something to wonder at.

-

-I do, as an atheist.

-Doesn't it make you think there is

-something bigger than us out there?

-No.

-Deep down, I agree with Rhys.

-There are years since

-I saw God in the creation...

-..or to think about it

-as a creation at all.

-Perhaps we should go to Pantycelyn

-Hall in Aberystwyth next.

-I was a student there.

-I was in the Christian Union.

-That's where the doubts set in,

-too.

-If you want this programme

-to be unbiased and balanced...

-..you have to meet an atheist.

-I'm always with an atheist!

-I'm always with an atheist!

-

-Apart from me.

-There's no escaping Christianity,

-even in our office.

-The building is called Y Goleuad.

-It's where the Presbyterian

-magazine Y Goleuad was printed.

-The name has stuck.

-There's a lot of reaction

-to the blog.

-I'm reading a different publication,

-atheist Dylan Llyr's blog.

-So I phoned him.

-I arranged to meet him after work.

-DOORBELL

-Dylan, how are you?

-Dylan, how are you?

-

-How are you?

-Come in. Welcome to Y Goleuad.

-I wanted to show these to you.

-Y Goleuad was printed here.

-These are old printing blocks.

-There are hymns

-and Biblical stories.

-I wanted you to feel at home!

-Why did you start to blog?

-As an atheist, it's a subject

-I've always been interested in.

-In school...

-..I read about people

-who didn't believe in evolution.

-It awoke something in me.

-The interest has always been there.

-Are there fewer Welsh atheists?

-It sounds like a silly question.

-Because of our history...

-..are we reluctant

-to call ourselves atheists?

-That's an interesting question.

-I'm not sure.

-It would be interesting

-to conduct a survey...

-..to see if there's

-a link or difference...

-..between Welsh speaking Christians

-compared to the general public.

-We've carried out a few surveys.

-Let me show you the results.

-I mentioned the questionnaire...

-..that I carried out

-in my old school.

-52% of the pupils ticked

-that they were Christian.

-Does that disappoint you,

-as an atheist?

-Historically, 52% is low.

-I'd argue...

-..that it's because

-it's what their parents believe.

-It's the Christian culture.

-They don't necessarily believe

-in Christian ideology.

-Your blog is pro atheism...

-..and anti religion.

-Are atheists against religion?

-Or could an atheist say...

-"..I'm not against religion,

-I just don't believe."

-An atheist

-values scientific evidence...

-..supports civil rights...

-..gay marriage,

-abortion and so forth.

-For that reason...

-..you have to be against religion.

-They go hand in hand.

-I would find it hard

-to call myself an atheist...

-..and tell people not to believe.

-Do you have to be so evangelical?

-I'd argue, yes.

-Religion has a harmful effect

-on society.

-Whether people believe or not...

-..without the chapel,

-has our moral values suffered?

-Is there a link

-between moral values and faith?

-No. I feel strongly about this.

-If anything...

-..religion causes people...

-..to behave worse

-than they would otherwise.

-We visited

-a Sikh Gurdwara in Cardiff.

-Like many religions...

-..morality was at the core

-of what they believed...

-..and this strengthened

-their morality.

-There's something healthy

-about that.

-What do they mean? Does God

-want them to do these things?

-I think they're doing

-themselves a disservice.

-It suggests that if God didn't want

-them to do these things...

-..that they wouldn't do them.

-Good people do these things anyway.

-I'm going to Pantycelyn Hall.

-I was there in college 20 years ago.

-I was a Christian at the time.

-I want to give this to the students.

-I've already asked

-13-year-old school pupils.

-I'd expect different answers

-from students.

-I think fewer people will tick

-the Christian box.

-I can't be sure. It'll be

-interesting to see the results.

-I enjoyed talking to Dylan.

-Cautious and intelligent, he's

-a good ambassador for atheism...

-..not that he sees himself

-like that!

-Is it the decisiveness that prevents

-me from calling myself an atheist?

-I had enough when I was young

-of thinking I knew the answers.

-I'm sure you're tired

-of following me.

-At 18 years of age...

-..I came to Aberystwyth

-to study Welsh and Drama.

-And here it is, Pantycelyn Hall.

-I haven't been here for 20 years.

-It hasn't changed at all.

-Unlike you, Gwion.

-Unlike you, Gwion.

-

-Unlike me!

-When I first walked in

-to Pantycelyn...

-..I was an unconfident fresher.

-But my faith was strong.

-I joined the Christian Union, and

-was "Gwion the Evangelist" to many.

-It still smells the same.

-It's not unpleasant,

-just distinctive.

-The small lounge.

-This is where

-the Christian Union met.

-There is still

-a Christian Union here.

-Do the members still believe

-as strongly as I once did?

-I'm in the way, sorry.

-I found this the other day.

-The New Testament.

-I knew it was from this period.

-I bought it soon after I arrived

-here and I carried it round with me.

-It reads, Aberystwyth, 1991.

-On the first page, Romans 1, 16.

-I obviously read it often.

-This verse says it all.

-"I am not ashamed

-of the gospel of Christ.

-"For it is the power

-of God unto salvation...

-"..to every one that believeth."

-That's what I believed.

-It's OK.

-The question to me

-and to us all is...

-..was it right to believe

-so uncompromisingly...

-..and so extremely,

-as some might say?

-If I hadn't believed

-so black and white...

-..I'd still believe

-in something now.

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-Thanks for your help.

-It'll be handy to hold the papers.

-I'll bring it back later.

-My question is, do

-the people of Wales still believe?

-Like in my old secondary school...

-..I'm asking the Pantycelyn students

-if they are religious or not.

-Can you pass these round?

-Are you happy to have a go? The

-question is, do we still believe?

-52% of the school pupils

-said they were Christians.

-But students

-are more independently minded.

-I reckon fewer

-will say they're Christians.

-Miriam Williams,

-the UMCA president...

-..doesn't think students will find

-it easy to say they have no faith.

-It's a difficult subject.

-It's such a broad subject,

-there are no definite answers.

-There are individuals who will

-argue their case, either way.

-It's hard to have the guts to say...

-"..Yes, I believe" or "No, I don't."

-People are unsure.

-Having to make a choice,

-she ticked the box Christian.

-That's what the majority

-of the school pupils did, too.

-I'm not criticising them.

-They feel they're Christians because

-of their upbringing and culture.

-It's more than going to chapel

-and reading the Bible.

-It involves morals, upbringing...

-..and knowing the difference

-between right and wrong.

-It's not about

-believing in God and chapel.

-My generation feel they're Christian

-even if they don't go to chapel.

-How are you, Gwion? I'm Gwilym.

-Gwilym Tudur introduced himself.

-The young evangelist is

-the Christian Union president.

-I'm not saying it's of more

-interest to you, as a Christian...

-..but you'll want to

-know the outcome.

-Yes, to know where people stand.

-Do they consider themselves

-Christians? Do people worship?

-They're important questions to ask.

-I want to know the answers.

-Will anyone tick No Religion?

-Yes.

-More or less?

-More, following the last census

-and the more I get to know people.

-People tend to say

-they don't believe in Christianity.

-You'd better do this, too!

-I think I know what you'll tick.

-There's nothing wrong with that!

-Gwilym kindly suggested we use

-his room to count the papers.

-More than half the students

-said they were Christian.

-Did that surprise Gwilym and fellow

-Christian Union member, Dyfan?

-I'm not very surprised.

-I'm not surprised at all.

-But I'll go a step further.

-It's one thing

-to tick the Christian box...

-..it's another to feel

-you actually are a Christian.

-A Christian follows Jesus Christ.

-Jesus Christ said that Christianity

-is a relationship with God...

-..to know Jesus Christ...

-..to see him as a saviour

-and to live with Jesus...

-..following his example.

-That's why you spread the Word.

-Yes.

-It's worth talking about

-and knowing Jesus.

-The good news is,

-that there is forgiveness...

-..a way to avoid Hell.

-Is there Christianity without Hell?

-In the end,

-I just couldn't accept it.

-Hell is being separated from God.

-People can reject God, but then

-they have to face the consequences.

-God has a plan

-so that doesn't have to happen.

-We can have eternal life and

-a relationship with him forever.

-Can I ask you a couple of questions?

-Can I ask you a couple of questions?

-

-Yes.

-When you were a Christian...

-..why did you feel

-you needed to be saved?

-What has made you think

-you don't need to be saved?

-What changed?

-I became a Christian when I was

-very young. Perhaps I was too young.

-I don't blame my parents.

-I'd do the same.

-It's what they believed.

-I can see why you want

-to spread the Word.

-But was it healthy to think

-I was lost in my early teens?

-Was it right to think

-I needed forgiveness?

-I knew I could do bad things -

-I still do bad things.

-I don't believe in original sin.

-I can be the worst person

-in the world.

-It sounds patronizing

-to say I grew up.

-Perhaps it's my personality,

-that I'm quite liberal.

-I'm tolerant, like you are.

-These things didn't rest easily

-with me any more.

-That's what I asked today,

-especially as I'm back here.

-Do we have to be so

-uncompromising in our beliefs?

-The Christian message

-is so special...

-..if we really understand it, we

-can't not be Christian to the core.

-The Christian Union members

-believed as strongly as I once did.

-That night, they met outside

-a Welsh student gig...

-..to hand out cuppas, biscuits

-and spread the Word.

-Thanks Lord for caring for us.

-You shine a light and give hope

-to people who are lost...

-..to the sick who need a doctor.

-After praying,

-and setting out refreshments....

-..we waited for the students.

-It's eleven o'clock.

-When do you expect people to arrive?

-It's usually closer to midnight.

-Do they come here on their way

-to the Union?

-We usually walk down the steps

-to meet them.

-Do we have enough biscuits?

-Do we have enough biscuits?

-

-Yes!

-The students have had a bad taste

-costume crawl in town.

-STUDENTS SHOUT

-The contrast between

-their costumes...

-..and the Christian

-hoodies is striking.

-Can I have a cuppa later?

-Can I have a cuppa later?

-

-You can have one now, if you want.

-We'll have one on our way back.

-We'll have one on our way back.

-

-Thanks.

-They're still arriving at the gig.

-We're leaving.

-It's been an emotional day...

-..and more difficult

-than I expected.

-I was cheerful

-when I arrived this morning.

-The place hasn't changed,

-unlike how much I have changed.

-I didn't realize how much.

-After meeting the Christian Union

-members...

-..I can see how different I am now.

-The following morning,

-after weeks of travelling...

-..it dawns on me

-it's the end of the journey...

-..of trying to discover whether

-Welsh people still believe in God.

-So, Gwion. The end of the journey.

-Yes. The journey's end.

-Do the people of Wales

-still believe?

-Do we still believe?

-Ask Sion!

-If you'd asked me before

-the journey, I'd have said, "No."

-I thought that the people of Wales,

-like me...

-..used to be strong, vocal

-and public in their faith.

-I'm not like that now.

-We've reached the journey's end.

-We met a lot of people

-who still believe, unlike me.

-Who am I to question that?

-As someone who has lost his faith...

-..what right do I have to question

-people who still believe?

-Doubts set in when I was

-a student in Aberystwyth.

-I was a Christian,

-and still stood firm.

-But under the surface,

-doubts were setting in.

-I tried to withstand them

-for many years.

-When did you stop believing?

-It didn't happen overnight,

-unlike the way I came to believe.

-I remember talking to a friend

-on the seafront in Aberystwyth.

-"We all have doubts," she said.

-"If we pray, read more and come

-closer to God, certainty comes."

-That's what I did for years.

-After Aberystwyth,

-you were a preacher.

-Yes.

-Looking back...

-..I was preaching to convince

-myself more than anyone.

-It didn't work.

-It didn't work.

-

-No.

-The sort of Christianity I

-believed in couldn't be questioned.

-If I had been a liberal

-and moderate Christian...

-..perhaps I'd still be a believer.

-Hey. We almost missed it.

-The Devil's Pulpit.

-It's better from the back.

-I believed in the Devil.

-You don't believe in the Devil,

-Heaven and Hell...

-..and you don't believe in God,

-so that makes you an atheist.

-We're back here, are we?

-We're back here, are we?

-

-You are, obviously.

-Aren't you, Gwion?

-You're an atheist.

-Aren't you?

-Aren't you?

-

-One for the road?

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