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STUDIO: Other BBC networks are joining us now, this is a reminder | :00:12. | :00:18. | |
of what we are watching, latest pictures coming to us from various | :00:19. | :00:24. | |
places in Paris. Multiple violent attacks have taken place, including | :00:25. | :00:36. | |
shootings. We know that explosions have happened outside of the Stade | :00:37. | :00:39. | |
de France, a friendly was taking place between France and Germany. | :00:40. | :00:47. | |
Bars and restaurants further into the heart of the city. We need to | :00:48. | :00:52. | |
speak again with Paris correspondent Hugh Schofield commonly made his way | :00:53. | :00:58. | |
a little while ago to the Bataclan, in the 11th Baron -- in the 11th | :00:59. | :01:23. | |
arrondissement. I have just spoken with an anvil and man, he has come | :01:24. | :01:24. | |
in from the Paris of with an anvil and man, he has come | :01:25. | :01:30. | |
from the palace of the site. He says he has no idea what is going to be | :01:31. | :01:35. | |
This is a very trendy and young arrived. -- | :01:36. | :01:55. | |
This is a very trendy and young area, lots of people have been out, | :01:56. | :02:04. | |
warm evening, people on the streets, enjoying very pleasant early | :02:05. | :02:07. | |
November evening, and at this concert Hall, the Bataclan, it is | :02:08. | :02:13. | |
Eagles of Death Metal that were playing earlier, a well-known | :02:14. | :02:21. | |
Californian band. And yes, if it is true that the bulk of people are | :02:22. | :02:24. | |
inside, held hostage, this is absolutely frightful. You are pretty | :02:25. | :02:31. | |
close to this concert Hall, you are being kept back to a certain extent. | :02:32. | :02:42. | |
Probably 100, 200 metres from it, I am on a boulevard, the main road... | :02:43. | :02:47. | |
Just around the corner, down the side street. I can see a line of | :02:48. | :02:54. | |
police vehicles all the way down. Every now and again, we are told to | :02:55. | :02:58. | |
budge, and ambulances are going through. It is the 200 metres | :02:59. | :03:06. | |
distance... And we had the exposure. It is very difficult to make | :03:07. | :03:10. | |
anything else -- did very difficult to make anything out. Muse will have | :03:11. | :03:28. | |
reached you of what the president was saying when you're dressed | :03:29. | :03:35. | |
France. The state of emergency, the fact that the borders are to be | :03:36. | :03:40. | |
closed. -- what the president was saying when he addressed France. How | :03:41. | :03:46. | |
is all of this new is going down? A couple of mobile phones went when he | :03:47. | :03:48. | |
was speaking, couple of mobile phones went when he | :03:49. | :03:57. | |
political staff, really. It is significant, what you said. The | :03:58. | :04:02. | |
first time since the Algerian War that the whole of | :04:03. | :04:09. | |
first time since the Algerian War been in a state of emergency. In the | :04:10. | :04:09. | |
first time since the Algerian War riots of 2005, parts of the country | :04:10. | :04:11. | |
were under a state of emergency, but this is the whole of the country. | :04:12. | :04:17. | |
That is unprecedented. Those in the Borders. In a sense, that was | :04:18. | :04:22. | |
coming, because of the climate conference, kicking off in a couple | :04:23. | :04:26. | |
of weeks. That was the stage where they feared there would be a | :04:27. | :04:32. | |
potential terrorist attack, and the closing of the Borders, the | :04:33. | :04:36. | |
suspension of Schengen, was going to come in in preparation for that. But | :04:37. | :04:41. | |
clearly, this has been eclipsed by this. The mood is... It is an eerie | :04:42. | :04:46. | |
mood, wandering around, it was just sinking in. I saw one woman on the | :04:47. | :04:56. | |
unease crying, because she had just heard that her friend was in the | :04:57. | :05:01. | |
Bataclan concert hall during the concert, and then all of the bars, | :05:02. | :05:09. | |
they kind of shut. The blinds are half down, people inside looking | :05:10. | :05:13. | |
out, some have been told not to move but they are edging out, looking on | :05:14. | :05:17. | |
the streets. There have been altercations between locals, | :05:18. | :05:21. | |
wondering what is going on, probably not realising the gravity of the | :05:22. | :05:24. | |
situation, and saying to the police, what is going on? The police have | :05:25. | :05:30. | |
been aggressive back. It is very eerie. Especially when there is this | :05:31. | :05:35. | |
message to the police as well, saying, the whole of the Paris | :05:36. | :05:38. | |
region, the whole region, stay at home, is the message from the | :05:39. | :05:42. | |
police. That is a staggering piece of advice. It is like telling the | :05:43. | :05:46. | |
Home Counties to stay at home because we do not know what has gone | :05:47. | :05:55. | |
on! It was a little like that in the Charlie Hebdo events, but this is | :05:56. | :06:05. | |
worse! This is more big and more random. And therefore so much more | :06:06. | :06:15. | |
frightening. Thank you very much, with the latest from close to the | :06:16. | :06:24. | |
Bataclan concert Hall, he says he is 200 metres away, cannot quite see | :06:25. | :06:27. | |
the building but we are aware from these pictures, how much activity | :06:28. | :06:32. | |
there has been, he says it appears to be the status quo, he has not | :06:33. | :06:40. | |
seen people leaving. We understand 100 people have | :06:41. | :06:43. | |
seen people leaving. We understand in the Bataclan after an attack, | :06:44. | :06:47. | |
gunmen, multiple gunmen, stormed the building. | :06:48. | :06:58. | |
Widdowson the studio is the director of security services at the Royal | :06:59. | :07:07. | |
Institute in London. You have sat patiently through these developments | :07:08. | :07:09. | |
that we are trying to get patiently through these developments | :07:10. | :07:12. | |
with coming out of Paris. Your initial observation? I think it is | :07:13. | :07:17. | |
difficult to know what we are looking at at this point. What we | :07:18. | :07:21. | |
know for certain is we are dealing with a call would Arnie attack | :07:22. | :07:26. | |
involving multiple targets and one suspects multiple individuals using | :07:27. | :07:30. | |
what appeared to be automatic weapons and explosives, all of which | :07:31. | :07:34. | |
require training and preparation, so I think we can pretty confidently | :07:35. | :07:39. | |
say that this had been prepared for some time. Across multiple | :07:40. | :07:44. | |
locations, and it could be as many as six or seven, we are hearing, | :07:45. | :07:51. | |
coordinated in your view? I think so. What we don't know is how all of | :07:52. | :07:59. | |
these incidents are connected. Are we dealing with people who are | :08:00. | :08:04. | |
jumping on the moment and deciding this is the moment they should | :08:05. | :08:08. | |
strike, or people who are mobile and running around the city. We have to | :08:09. | :08:16. | |
think about this, if we look back to the Charlie Hebdo attack earlier | :08:17. | :08:20. | |
this year, I think it is possible we should also look back to the Mumbai | :08:21. | :08:26. | |
attacks in 2008 as an early example of this, where we had a group of | :08:27. | :08:29. | |
attackers targeting the city going from target to target, shooting as | :08:30. | :08:36. | |
they could, blowing themselves up and ultimately holing themselves up | :08:37. | :08:40. | |
in one place to fight to the death. Reuters are saying that the police | :08:41. | :08:45. | |
operation at the Bataclan concert theatre where we understand up to | :08:46. | :08:49. | |
100 people are being held hostage, that operation is now over. We hope | :08:50. | :08:54. | |
to get more details from the police when they are in a position to | :08:55. | :08:58. | |
explaining Saky what has been going on inside that holding which was | :08:59. | :09:02. | |
packed on a Friday night. There was a heavy metal concert taking place, | :09:03. | :09:11. | |
a band playing from California. The British Foreign Office is advising | :09:12. | :09:14. | |
that people who have concerns about reduced friends or relatives in | :09:15. | :09:21. | |
Paris have a number to call. It is a London number, the main switchboard, | :09:22. | :09:24. | |
and I will repeat it a couple of times for you. Apologies if you are | :09:25. | :09:36. | |
watching abroad. The number is 0207 0081500. That is further assistance | :09:37. | :09:42. | |
for people who are concerned about friends or relatives who may be in | :09:43. | :09:50. | |
Paris. This is for British friends or relatives who the Foreign Office | :09:51. | :09:51. | |
can help with. If you need to get that number | :09:52. | :10:02. | |
again, I imagine it will now be on the British Foreign Office website. | :10:03. | :10:18. | |
With us to try to to discuss this is Raffaello Pantucci from the Security | :10:19. | :10:30. | |
Institute. They are deploying officers to French government | :10:31. | :10:34. | |
locations in the United States, notably New York City, an obvious | :10:35. | :10:38. | |
thing to do, but worth repeating. Certainly it is. In other major | :10:39. | :10:44. | |
cities there will immediately be concerned about the possibility of a | :10:45. | :10:47. | |
copycat incident or some other sort of attack,, or it is a show of | :10:48. | :10:55. | |
strength, and people will be alarmed that this could happen to them. It | :10:56. | :11:01. | |
is as much to show the people that they are out there and will defend | :11:02. | :11:12. | |
what they can. Raffaello, stay with us. We are looking into this | :11:13. | :11:17. | |
multifaceted story which is unfolding. Our correspondent is on | :11:18. | :11:22. | |
the ground, can you tell us what you are hearing? | :11:23. | :11:28. | |
Just behind me is the Bataclan concert hall where the hostages are | :11:29. | :11:33. | |
being held, and we are told that the assault has been ongoing there. We | :11:34. | :11:37. | |
have heard some gunfire, a lot of police and security forces have been | :11:38. | :11:42. | |
cordoning off this road, and we are told that the assault is under way. | :11:43. | :11:48. | |
We have had reports that the assault is over. Often here in the studio we | :11:49. | :11:54. | |
can get a clear overview then you can on the scene. How many members | :11:55. | :12:01. | |
of the public are out and about? We have been reporting that the mayor | :12:02. | :12:06. | |
of Paris has said that the city is in lockdown, do not go out. | :12:07. | :12:13. | |
That has been the advice given, and behind me as a small crowd of | :12:14. | :12:17. | |
onlookers waiting at a police cordon, and we have seen several | :12:18. | :12:21. | |
people wandering around. One thing to say is that this area would | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
normally be packed at midnight on a Friday night, and it is almost | :12:26. | :12:33. | |
deserted. Eerily empty streets, just a small gaggle of people try to find | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
out what is going on in their city. And what are they saying to you | :12:38. | :12:43. | |
about what they understand in Paris tonight? We have heard the statement | :12:44. | :12:47. | |
from President Hollande that this is the most significant series of | :12:48. | :12:53. | |
terror attacks that they have had in France, and it comes after the | :12:54. | :12:58. | |
events in January of Charlie Hebdo and the Jewish supermarket. | :12:59. | :13:05. | |
I think the fact that so many people are staying away and staying indoors | :13:06. | :13:08. | |
tells you the level of fear that is here in the city tonight just ten | :13:09. | :13:11. | |
months after the Charlie Hebdo attacks. We have these attacks that | :13:12. | :13:16. | |
shows some similar hallmarks, attacks with guns on soft targets, | :13:17. | :13:21. | |
if you like. And a hostage situation, explosives being used. It | :13:22. | :13:26. | |
will bring back painful memories for people here in Paris, and the | :13:27. | :13:30. | |
streets here tonight are certainly pretty quiet. There are a lot of | :13:31. | :13:36. | |
questions people want answered. Lucy Williamson, thank you very much. She | :13:37. | :13:38. | |
is at the 11th hour and he Williamson, thank you very much. She | :13:39. | :13:59. | |
the 11th arrondissement. And north-east, in the 10th | :14:00. | :14:03. | |
arrondissement, this footage appears to show the aftermath of one of the | :14:04. | :14:07. | |
attacks, and you may find it distressing. You can see the | :14:08. | :14:13. | |
emergency services in the background who came to the scene pretty fast, | :14:14. | :14:15. | |
we understand from who came to the scene pretty fast, | :14:16. | :14:22. | |
police cordon put up very quickly after what witnesses said | :14:23. | :14:26. | |
police cordon put up very quickly men armed with Kalashnikov assault | :14:27. | :14:28. | |
rifles who fired diners through the plate glass windows, and the result | :14:29. | :14:33. | |
will multiple casualties. There were reports of people outside the | :14:34. | :14:39. | |
restaurant Syriza injured. This is just one of these multiple | :14:40. | :14:50. | |
locations. -- seriously injured. We are hearing there maybe six or seven | :14:51. | :14:58. | |
locations around Paris, and to the furthest out appears to be Saint | :14:59. | :15:08. | |
Denis where a bar near to the Stade De France witnessed an explosion. | :15:09. | :15:16. | |
Just a reminder that Raffaello Pantucci from the Royal United | :15:17. | :15:20. | |
services Institute in London is here with us now. Where does France go | :15:21. | :15:26. | |
from here? We already know from the beginning of the year various places | :15:27. | :15:30. | |
around Paris, there were increased security presences, the Army seen on | :15:31. | :15:37. | |
the street quite regularly, and people got used to that. What more | :15:38. | :15:43. | |
do they do? I think you will have a lot of questions being asked in | :15:44. | :15:46. | |
France about what more they have to do at this point. You have seen the | :15:47. | :15:51. | |
tempo of attacks and disruptive plots and actual assaults | :15:52. | :15:54. | |
tempo of attacks and disruptive in France going up to quite a | :15:55. | :15:57. | |
substantial number. The question about what the police can do next, | :15:58. | :16:01. | |
you will see the revisiting a lot of their case files, trying to pick | :16:02. | :16:07. | |
people up who they were concerned about, who were less of a priority | :16:08. | :16:11. | |
and now will become a greater priority. There will be military | :16:12. | :16:15. | |
have to be put on the streets to deploy at sites to act as protection | :16:16. | :16:25. | |
and to a comfort for the people to show them that security can be | :16:26. | :16:27. | |
stepped up. But it is a difficult call. Jens | :16:28. | :16:36. | |
Stoltenberg, the general secretary of Nato, has said that terrorists | :16:37. | :16:42. | |
will never destroy democracy, carry on with your life, but if you have | :16:43. | :16:45. | |
the army out on the streets, that does change things. It depends what | :16:46. | :16:51. | |
they are doing. If you go to Brussels, you will have seen heavily | :16:52. | :16:55. | |
armed soldiers standing outside most of the official buildings around the | :16:56. | :17:01. | |
city. And quite frankly, on my many visits there, I didn't see people | :17:02. | :17:04. | |
acting any differently because of it. It is intimidating but it seems | :17:05. | :17:09. | |
to be the way the threat picture has gone. The difficulty comes if you | :17:10. | :17:16. | |
see an exaggerated crack on broader communities and the victimisation | :17:17. | :17:18. | |
and social tensions but that can cause. That is the damage which can | :17:19. | :17:25. | |
be irreparable to societies. And the closing of the borders to | :17:26. | :17:29. | |
prevent more people leaving or arriving, we just don't know how | :17:30. | :17:33. | |
long that could be in place, or for what reason it might be used as this | :17:34. | :17:39. | |
being the thing that prompts France to reconsider how it polices its | :17:40. | :17:45. | |
borders. I think when you take this on the | :17:46. | :17:49. | |
current refugee crisis, it would not surprise me if you start to see | :17:50. | :17:55. | |
quite serious questions about the Schengen zone and free movement. We | :17:56. | :18:02. | |
saw some of this discussion already this year when there was the | :18:03. | :18:05. | |
attempted attack on the Italian train going to France. And there was | :18:06. | :18:09. | |
a discussion about whether we need police trains on the continent more. | :18:10. | :18:13. | |
Do we need to set up stronger borders and would that be | :18:14. | :18:17. | |
preventative? It is difficult to know, that there is certainly this | :18:18. | :18:21. | |
question of free movement around the continent being something which | :18:22. | :18:24. | |
security forces across Europe are going to be looking at a very | :18:25. | :18:27. | |
seriously and wondering if it will continue. Just a couple of days | :18:28. | :18:32. | |
ago, authorities across the continent disrupted a large network | :18:33. | :18:36. | |
of people associated with a terrorist group, a Kurdish jihadi | :18:37. | :18:41. | |
group in northern Iraq which had a network of people across Europe. We | :18:42. | :18:47. | |
saw good cross-border European co-operation, but the reason you had | :18:48. | :18:50. | |
to have this was because the threat picture was going in that | :18:51. | :18:53. | |
direction, with people really across multiple countries. | :18:54. | :18:57. | |
Let me just bring you up-to-date with a couple of new lines that have | :18:58. | :19:01. | |
come in to us. We understand the police assault that was under way at | :19:02. | :19:06. | |
the Bataclan concert Hall in Paris is now over. The police are being | :19:07. | :19:11. | |
quoted here by the press Association saying that there were hostages | :19:12. | :19:16. | |
being held, the reports earlier were that up to 100 people were held | :19:17. | :19:20. | |
hostage, we need to have that fully confirmed, but the reports are that | :19:21. | :19:23. | |
French forces have killed at least two attackers during that assault on | :19:24. | :19:31. | |
the Bataclan concert hall in the 11th arrondissement. And separately, | :19:32. | :19:35. | |
the United Nations Security Council have condemned what they describe as | :19:36. | :19:42. | |
the cowardly and barbaric attack in Paris. They want to bring the | :19:43. | :19:48. | |
perpetrators of these acts to justice. President Hollande has | :19:49. | :19:53. | |
cancelled his participation at the G20 meeting which is taking place in | :19:54. | :19:58. | |
Turkey this weekend. I do believe we have got some mobile phone footage | :19:59. | :20:07. | |
of what was happening outside the Bataclan concert fitter, and I. | :20:08. | :20:10. | |
Speaking because you can hear shots fired and explosions. | :20:11. | :20:19. | |
GUNFIRE. A couple of explosions and then some | :20:20. | :20:29. | |
sort of gunfire as well. We understand according to a Reuters | :20:30. | :20:33. | |
reporter at the scene of that siege that we were just looking at footage | :20:34. | :20:36. | |
of, the assault was launched by elite police unit at the concert | :20:37. | :20:42. | |
hall where those assailants have been holding people hostage. I | :20:43. | :20:48. | |
believe that we had elite units out in January on the streets of Paris | :20:49. | :20:52. | |
in the aftermath of the Charlie Hebdo shootings during the couple of | :20:53. | :20:57. | |
days when the gun men were on the run. Raffaello Pantucci is briefly | :20:58. | :21:02. | |
here with us from the Royal United services Institute. They have | :21:03. | :21:07. | |
wrought in real specialists to deal with they would. When you are | :21:08. | :21:12. | |
looking at this sort of an operation and people using automatic weapons | :21:13. | :21:15. | |
and explosives, you have to send in special forces. I suspect their | :21:16. | :21:20. | |
desire was to close down the hostage situation as soon as possible, if | :21:21. | :21:24. | |
you are dealing with able who are clearly intends to kill as many as | :21:25. | :21:29. | |
they can, you want to prevent them from doing that any more, and moving | :21:30. | :21:34. | |
in strong would be unnecessary. The Charlie Hebdo attack was clearly a | :21:35. | :21:37. | |
wake-up call for French authorities, and it is worth remembering soon | :21:38. | :21:42. | |
after that a plot was disrupted across the border in Belgium with | :21:43. | :21:47. | |
groups who appeared to have explosive devices in police | :21:48. | :21:50. | |
uniforms, under suspicion was they were planning a large attack in | :21:51. | :21:54. | |
Brussels that could have been shaped by this. There was a heavy police | :21:55. | :21:59. | |
assault there that ended up in a big shoot out, but it was a very live | :22:00. | :22:07. | |
and dynamic terrorist incident. They have had a lot to cope with | :22:08. | :22:12. | |
this year, France and their various authorities. Stay with us if you | :22:13. | :22:17. | |
would, because on the line now we are joined by a jazz musician who | :22:18. | :22:21. | |
was performing at a restaurant close to where one of these attacks | :22:22. | :22:24. | |
happened. Leo, thank you for joining us here. Tell us where you were. | :22:25. | :22:31. | |
To be honest with you, I am not sure exactly what I was close to and what | :22:32. | :22:37. | |
I was not close to, it has been so difficult to really receive any | :22:38. | :22:44. | |
accurate information here, just as difficult here as it is anywhere. I | :22:45. | :22:49. | |
was performing at a jazz club called the Sunset. There was a murmur that | :22:50. | :22:55. | |
went through the crowd that something was going on. We continue | :22:56. | :23:00. | |
to play for a while, then we took a break. On the break, we still had | :23:01. | :23:04. | |
not decided whether or not it made sense to continue playing. Somebody | :23:05. | :23:10. | |
showed me a cell phone notification that there had been a shooting, very | :23:11. | :23:15. | |
close by, really. It seemed almost impossible to continue playing a | :23:16. | :23:21. | |
concert under those conditions. We carefully encouraged people to | :23:22. | :23:24. | |
calmly go home, and I did the same thing. In an apartment nearby now. | :23:25. | :23:31. | |
Do you know what is happening outside? We understand there is | :23:32. | :23:35. | |
pretty much a lockdown in the city, and the mayor of Paris has said, | :23:36. | :23:40. | |
don't go anywhere. You might be best to stay where you are. That was the | :23:41. | :23:47. | |
sense. In fact, when the first new is kind of hit, we were thinking, | :23:48. | :23:51. | |
maybe it made sense to stay where we were. Within 20 minutes of the | :23:52. | :23:55. | |
initial indication, the streets emptied. There is nobody on the | :23:56. | :24:12. | |
street. Where are you getting information from? I'm getting it | :24:13. | :24:20. | |
from the Internet, international Muse media. | :24:21. | :24:34. | |
In the last five minutes, it has begun to harsh, there was a kind of | :24:35. | :24:50. | |
military din armour but it is now hushed. It is difficult to get an | :24:51. | :24:56. | |
overview. Before this evening, you may spend time in France but you are | :24:57. | :25:00. | |
yourself not French, what has the atmosphere been like? Before | :25:01. | :25:06. | |
tonight? I would say that it has been lovely, I have been here for | :25:07. | :25:09. | |
ten days and it has been sunny and wonderful. Actually, unusually | :25:10. | :25:14. | |
pleasant for this time of year. I have not had any sense of discomfort | :25:15. | :25:24. | |
or sense of lack of security for my safety in any way. It has been a | :25:25. | :25:29. | |
very positive autumn. There has been increased security throughout the | :25:30. | :25:32. | |
year because of the events of January, Charlie Hebdo, it has not | :25:33. | :25:38. | |
put you off visiting France, despite the grave issues we have seen? It is | :25:39. | :25:45. | |
true, this is my fourth trip to France this year to perform, I come | :25:46. | :25:49. | |
under a very nonpolitical circumstance, I come to perform. I | :25:50. | :25:55. | |
do not necessarily perceive the cultural feeling through that | :25:56. | :26:00. | |
filter. But you are right, it has been a difficult year for France, | :26:01. | :26:05. | |
and we feel it a little bit, from my perspective, it has also been a very | :26:06. | :26:13. | |
positive year culturally, for me. So it is an interesting question. I | :26:14. | :26:16. | |
assume it is from the United States that you are visiting. Yes. | :26:17. | :26:35. | |
You think there is a greater threat to Europe and the US? Good question, | :26:36. | :26:44. | |
I do not think that I would be able to say that I feel | :26:45. | :26:45. | |
I do not think that I would be able there is a greater threat, but I | :26:46. | :26:48. | |
would say that there is a greater threat, but I | :26:49. | :26:57. | |
familiar to me from 2001, in the United States. I had not felt that | :26:58. | :27:03. | |
in Europe as an American until now. In that sense, I feel that there is | :27:04. | :27:11. | |
something related, now, that I have not felt before, we will have to | :27:12. | :27:14. | |
look at this in the light of day in order to know whether there is a | :27:15. | :27:18. | |
greater threat, at this moment, I would say, yes I feel that. Thank | :27:19. | :27:20. | |
you very much for speaking We were reporting a few moments ago | :27:21. | :27:33. | |
that the police assault using the elite forces at the Bataclan concert | :27:34. | :27:39. | |
theatre in the 11th arrondissement is now over and there were reports | :27:40. | :27:46. | |
that the theatre-goers who had been held hostage had started to leave | :27:47. | :27:53. | |
the theatre, however, we understand through Reuters newsagency, quoting | :27:54. | :28:00. | |
the PFM television in France, that about 100 people are thought to have | :28:01. | :28:07. | |
died inside the Bataclan. Earlier we had heard that 15 people had been | :28:08. | :28:12. | |
shot, and then 100 people had been held hostage. -- BFM. It would | :28:13. | :28:16. | |
appear that those figures were a lot higher. | :28:17. | :28:27. | |
A shocking figure. Not surprising, if you recall, the events of the | :28:28. | :28:38. | |
last few hours, the special unit of the French Armed Forces stormed the | :28:39. | :28:46. | |
theatre very quickly, that was their decision, meaning that they were | :28:47. | :28:49. | |
fearing, in any case, a huge number of casualties, because we are | :28:50. | :28:56. | |
confronting... We are confronted with killers who are ready to die. | :28:57. | :29:03. | |
There were reports of grenades within the theatre. You can imagine | :29:04. | :29:12. | |
what a grenade does in a confined space. 100 dead is what the French | :29:13. | :29:33. | |
newspaper is reporting. According to the AFP newsagency, three suspected | :29:34. | :29:37. | |
jihadists, is how they are being described, certainly people who were | :29:38. | :29:40. | |
armed, were killed when the elite police stormed the venue. Another | :29:41. | :29:45. | |
newsagency has it as two armed attackers. It is a very great risk. | :29:46. | :29:53. | |
A calculation that the authorities have to make. When they storm the | :29:54. | :30:05. | |
building of this size. I think they knew that the killers were ready to | :30:06. | :30:13. | |
die. It is not a traditional hostage crisis, when you negotiate, when you | :30:14. | :30:17. | |
release people... Throughout the day... You can take hours, as you | :30:18. | :30:25. | |
know. The fact that they decided to strike almost immediately meant that | :30:26. | :30:31. | |
the situation was extremely grave. It is very difficult here to know | :30:32. | :30:37. | |
how these different acts of violence across multiple locations, perhaps | :30:38. | :30:40. | |
as many as... How do they fit together? We will know that in due | :30:41. | :30:46. | |
time. Obviously it looks very coordinated. Did it take many | :30:47. | :30:55. | |
different cells? Just one? Was there a trigger effect? You were with me | :30:56. | :31:06. | |
in the studio earlier, while you have been outside, I assume you have | :31:07. | :31:09. | |
been speaking with a lot of people in France. What have people been | :31:10. | :31:14. | |
telling you? A sense of shock, some measures that France has not seen in | :31:15. | :31:29. | |
decades, a state of emergency. I had a friend on an aeroplane who had | :31:30. | :31:32. | |
just landed in Paris and the pilot said, we do not know whether you | :31:33. | :31:46. | |
will be able to get out. All school trips are cancelled throughout | :31:47. | :31:59. | |
France. We can now speak with Freedom Jackson, in her apartment | :32:00. | :32:03. | |
just two doors away from the Bataclan. Thank you for joining us, | :32:04. | :32:09. | |
you must have had the most terrifying evening, tell us what you | :32:10. | :32:14. | |
have been going through. A lot of crying. I was making dinner, I heard | :32:15. | :32:23. | |
a girl outside screaming, and a couple of men sounded like they were | :32:24. | :32:26. | |
having a fight, sounded like the usual tried a night fighting in | :32:27. | :32:31. | |
Paris, as it happens. It was really aggressive, I closed my window | :32:32. | :32:34. | |
because I did not want to hear it, went to my room. I could hear a girl | :32:35. | :32:39. | |
screaming for help, the last thing I heard her say was screaming for a | :32:40. | :32:46. | |
man called Felipe and I heard a bang, and I thought it was not a | :32:47. | :32:50. | |
gunshot because that is not really happen. I was very scared because | :32:51. | :32:53. | |
people began screaming, people were shouting. Sounded really aggressive | :32:54. | :33:00. | |
outside. I stayed in Myron, spoke with my friends, I have only been | :33:01. | :33:04. | |
living here for a couple of months, I am 18. It is a change for me. I | :33:05. | :33:10. | |
was on the telephone to my friend, he could hear the rounds of gunfire, | :33:11. | :33:15. | |
while I was on the phone to me. He told me, you cannot leave your room | :33:16. | :33:20. | |
at all. Just after that, looked at venues, and saw that it was all | :33:21. | :33:32. | |
happening next door. There was loads of gunfire again. Loads of people | :33:33. | :33:35. | |
screaming. I decided of gunfire again. Loads of people | :33:36. | :33:42. | |
to go and stay in my neighbour's flat, because I was too scared to | :33:43. | :33:56. | |
stay alone. What were you able to see outside the window, you are not | :33:57. | :34:02. | |
very far from the Bataclan. This is where the hostagetaking was | :34:03. | :34:06. | |
happening. You can see the police surrounding the area, the police are | :34:07. | :34:11. | |
wearing protective outfits, with Shields on their face. They are | :34:12. | :34:30. | |
circling the building. We have heard that there has been a hundred people | :34:31. | :34:34. | |
who have died as a result of that siege. The advice we are hearing | :34:35. | :34:52. | |
from the mayor of Paris is that nobody should be going anywhere, I | :34:53. | :34:56. | |
should assume you will be following that closely? I'm quite happy on the | :34:57. | :35:04. | |
sixth floor, in the sky. Not being anywhere near anyone. I do not want | :35:05. | :35:09. | |
to go anywhere near what is going on. I'm hoping that tomorrow I can | :35:10. | :35:14. | |
stay with my aunt for the weekend, going to Versailles, because I do | :35:15. | :35:20. | |
not want to be so close to it. Perfectly understandable, Freedom, | :35:21. | :35:25. | |
thank you for speaking with us, stay with that neighbour, keep safe. The | :35:26. | :35:34. | |
latest that we are hearing. 100 people are thought to have died | :35:35. | :35:37. | |
inside the Bataclan, they have gone there, busy Friday night, packed | :35:38. | :35:42. | |
venue, to watch a band from California, a rock band, and we | :35:43. | :35:48. | |
understand that attackers, possibly two, maybe three, maybe even more, | :35:49. | :35:54. | |
stormed the building, shots were fired, and within the last few | :35:55. | :35:57. | |
minutes, really, we have heard that those that survived that attack have | :35:58. | :36:03. | |
been making their way out that concert Hall. The French president, | :36:04. | :36:09. | |
Francois Hollande, was on television a little earlier tonight to tell the | :36:10. | :36:12. | |
nation that terrorist attacks were underway. On an unprecedented scale. | :36:13. | :36:20. | |
He announced a state of emergency and a closure of the borders of the | :36:21. | :36:27. | |
country. TRANSLATION: To did decisions will be taken, a state of | :36:28. | :36:31. | |
emergency, certain places will be shut off, traffic may be banned from | :36:32. | :36:35. | |
some places and searches will be conducted across the whole Paris | :36:36. | :36:38. | |
region. -- two decisions will be taken. A state of emergency will be | :36:39. | :36:42. | |
declared across the whole territory. The second decision I | :36:43. | :36:45. | |
have taken it to close the borders, we must make certain that nobody is | :36:46. | :36:50. | |
going to enter to carry out any acts, whatever they may be, and make | :36:51. | :36:53. | |
sure that those that have committed the crimes will be apprehended, | :36:54. | :36:59. | |
should they leave the territory. That was the French president, | :37:00. | :37:02. | |
Francois Hollande, speaking a little earlier, to the French people on | :37:03. | :37:09. | |
television. We are getting unconfirmed reports... I must stress | :37:10. | :37:12. | |
these are unconfirmed reports... From social media... That the camp | :37:13. | :37:19. | |
known as the jungle in Calais, which is home to many migrants trying to | :37:20. | :37:24. | |
make their way across the Channel, that that camp is on fire. -- The | :37:25. | :37:31. | |
Jungle. Is that this could be a revenge attack. I would urge you to | :37:32. | :37:35. | |
take that with a huge amount of caution. -- the suspicion is that | :37:36. | :37:48. | |
Social media suggesting that the Jungle camp in Calais is on fire, | :37:49. | :37:59. | |
and it is only a suggestion, that it is a possible revenge attack. | :38:00. | :38:03. | |
and it is only a suggestion, that it also just reading an social media, | :38:04. | :38:07. | |
Reuters saying that the French Foreign Ministry is saying that | :38:08. | :38:09. | |
airports will remain open, that flights and trains will continue | :38:10. | :38:14. | |
running, which is slightly confusing, because we have also | :38:15. | :38:17. | |
heard that the borders are closing, the land borders, supposedly. We | :38:18. | :38:23. | |
will need a full explanation of how flights and trains can keep running | :38:24. | :38:29. | |
across borders unless these are just internal flights and trains. We need | :38:30. | :38:35. | |
to have that explained to us. Let's speak to Hugh Schofield who joins us | :38:36. | :38:39. | |
from Paris now. And a reminder that you were 200 metres from the | :38:40. | :38:49. | |
Bataclan concert Hall. We understand that the siege is over, but with a | :38:50. | :38:54. | |
high number of casualties. I don't know anything about casualties, and | :38:55. | :38:59. | |
as I speak, we are waiting at a police line for the prosecutor Paris | :39:00. | :39:05. | |
to come and talk to us, and he will give us the detail of what has | :39:06. | :39:09. | |
happened. I know that there are ports circulating that you are | :39:10. | :39:14. | |
seeing more quickly than I am of a high number of casualties, and I | :39:15. | :39:19. | |
can't comment on that. There is certainly the sense that this is | :39:20. | :39:25. | |
over here, because the atmosphere is more relaxed, and a plainclothes | :39:26. | :39:28. | |
policeman is saying that they will be a press conference coming up. I | :39:29. | :39:41. | |
understand that officials are in the area touring the places where the | :39:42. | :39:46. | |
attacks have happened and talking to police, and I'm hoping that one of | :39:47. | :39:49. | |
them will be the prosecutor and might talk to us. One does sense | :39:50. | :39:56. | |
that it is over, and now it is a question of working out what had | :39:57. | :40:03. | |
happened, what the toll is, and then the big questions about what this | :40:04. | :40:07. | |
all means. Tell us what you're seeing now, because obviously the | :40:08. | :40:11. | |
mayor of Paris sometime ago advised people across the whole of the Paris | :40:12. | :40:17. | |
region, huge area of France, to stay indoors, but people who are | :40:18. | :40:21. | |
trapped, trying to get out of the Bataclan concert theatre, they have | :40:22. | :40:27. | |
to get home. In the bars all around here, you can see that there are | :40:28. | :40:30. | |
people behind the shutters just waiting. I think in practice it is | :40:31. | :40:36. | |
loosening up and people are coming out and moving on now. The immediate | :40:37. | :40:41. | |
area around Bataclan is still very much locked down, but we are quite a | :40:42. | :40:48. | |
way back now. They pushed it back, and I think that those words to | :40:49. | :40:57. | |
people in the Paris region, to stay at home, was very much in the heat | :40:58. | :41:00. | |
of the moment when nobody knew what was happening. I think perhaps | :41:01. | :41:04. | |
already they will feel that something terrible has happened, but | :41:05. | :41:09. | |
that it has happened, and there aren't others on the loose, and this | :41:10. | :41:14. | |
sense of siege will ease off. I can't really judge where we are in | :41:15. | :41:19. | |
that process right now. They think they have tagged all the | :41:20. | :41:21. | |
terrorists, and therefore what has been completed, or whether they | :41:22. | :41:25. | |
think more people are on the loose. I just don't know. | :41:26. | :41:33. | |
Hugh, thank you very much. Lucy Williamson is another one of our | :41:34. | :41:38. | |
correspondents in Paris tonight. You also not very far from the Bataclan | :41:39. | :41:42. | |
concert Hall. What are you hearing? The Bataclan concert Hall is behind | :41:43. | :41:51. | |
us and we know that the assault is finished now. We're getting reports | :41:52. | :41:55. | |
that some attackers have been killed in the assault, but we are also | :41:56. | :42:00. | |
getting early reports from the French news agency here that maybe | :42:01. | :42:05. | |
100 hostages have been killed in the attack here, so we are awaiting | :42:06. | :42:09. | |
confirmation, but if true, that will be a very to build for France to | :42:10. | :42:15. | |
swallow, and a very difficult thing for the president who we believe is | :42:16. | :42:19. | |
touring this area at the moment, or shortly, a very difficult thing for | :42:20. | :42:24. | |
him to overcome and to try and instil a sense of security going | :42:25. | :42:31. | |
forward. A huge risk, even when elite forces are sent in to try to | :42:32. | :42:37. | |
end a siege like this, it must be a hugely difficult call for the | :42:38. | :42:42. | |
authorities to know what to do. Sieges like this are no tourists are | :42:43. | :42:50. | |
difficult, trying to safeguard hostages' lives whilst diminish the | :42:51. | :42:56. | |
threat. We don't know at what stage the casualties denied happened or | :42:57. | :43:00. | |
who was responsible, so I think as with everything that has happened | :43:01. | :43:04. | |
here tonight, it is far too early to get a forensics sense of how things | :43:05. | :43:09. | |
unfolded. At the moment, the authorities here are still at the | :43:10. | :43:12. | |
stage of counting the dead, trying to lock down the rest of the | :43:13. | :43:17. | |
capital, and making sure they have got everybody they can in the | :43:18. | :43:19. | |
network who has carried out these attacks. | :43:20. | :43:23. | |
We will pause for a second, because there is a suggestion that... It was | :43:24. | :43:28. | |
being reported an social media that there were pictures of a fire at the | :43:29. | :43:34. | |
camp known as the Jungle in Calais. It does appear that these were old | :43:35. | :43:39. | |
pictures that came from some time ago, and I did warn that we needed | :43:40. | :43:44. | |
to treat those reports with utmost care, because we needed to have it | :43:45. | :43:49. | |
confirmed, and it does appear that those pictures were old and not | :43:50. | :43:54. | |
pertinent to tonight or anything that has been happening in Paris. So | :43:55. | :43:59. | |
we will set those to one side. A reminder, though, that the police | :44:00. | :44:07. | |
are appealing an social media for tonight's, for anyone with any | :44:08. | :44:12. | |
information about any of the attacks on the seven locations we know of so | :44:13. | :44:18. | |
far to contact them. Clearly there are multiple eyewitnesses to what | :44:19. | :44:21. | |
has happened, because there seems to have been a multifaceted and | :44:22. | :44:29. | |
coordinated attack. Lucy Williamson is still with us live from Paris. | :44:30. | :44:38. | |
And now, Lucy, the country is in lockdown, a state of emergency and | :44:39. | :44:41. | |
the borders are supposed to be closed. What is that going to mean | :44:42. | :44:47. | |
to you believe France? I think it was resident Hoiland's initial | :44:48. | :44:50. | |
reaction to a situation that very few people understood tonight. As | :44:51. | :44:54. | |
you said, he said that France was facing a series of terrorist attacks | :44:55. | :44:58. | |
that were unprecedented here, and as you said, he called for a state of | :44:59. | :45:04. | |
emergency, announced a state of emergency and also an assault on the | :45:05. | :45:07. | |
building behind me, and yes, he has said that the borders of the country | :45:08. | :45:13. | |
will be closed to prevent the attackers fleeing. And he also | :45:14. | :45:19. | |
called for military reinforcements. Since the Charlie Hebdo events of | :45:20. | :45:23. | |
January, there was a greater presence of security on the streets. | :45:24. | :45:27. | |
Will that be ratcheted up now, then? I think if the number of dead | :45:28. | :45:33. | |
that we are hearing here is confirmed, this is really a game | :45:34. | :45:38. | |
changer for France, and something that will call for really quite | :45:39. | :45:41. | |
radical perhaps thinking on how France can protect itself after the | :45:42. | :45:48. | |
Charlie Hebdo attacks there was security, security was ramped up all | :45:49. | :45:51. | |
across vulnerable sites, but the trouble with attacks like this is | :45:52. | :45:56. | |
that often happen on soft targets, restaurant, a concert hall, places | :45:57. | :46:02. | |
that are difficult to protect nationwide, so I think that will be | :46:03. | :46:04. | |
the challenge facing the government in the days to come. After Charlie | :46:05. | :46:08. | |
Hebdo, there were a couple of days where the gunmen in those shootings | :46:09. | :46:14. | |
were on the run. We appear to have multiple attackers who the police | :46:15. | :46:22. | |
need to trace. The city is going to be a difficult place to be the next | :46:23. | :46:29. | |
days. That's right. There are several attackers that police are | :46:30. | :46:33. | |
trying to find the moment, and obviously a great deal of fear in | :46:34. | :46:38. | |
Paris as their whereabouts remain unknown. It raises very painful | :46:39. | :46:41. | |
memories of the attacks ten month ago when Charlie Hebdo was attacked, | :46:42. | :46:45. | |
the siege of the Jewish supermarket and the tense days but unfolded as | :46:46. | :46:52. | |
police tried to chase and find everyone involved in those attacks, | :46:53. | :46:55. | |
and I think the next few days will be very worrying one the people here | :46:56. | :47:01. | |
in Paris and further afield. Is a great deal of noise behind you. | :47:02. | :47:06. | |
I just want to make sure that you are OK, you are safe, you can maybe | :47:07. | :47:10. | |
turn around and tell us what you conceive. I'm not exactly sure what | :47:11. | :47:15. | |
is going on behind me, but there are great deal of onlookers who have | :47:16. | :47:20. | |
gathered here, and I think this may be that a skirmish has broken out | :47:21. | :47:24. | |
the onlookers or perhaps with the police, but there are a great deal | :47:25. | :47:27. | |
of security forces here and some onlookers here on the street late at | :47:28. | :47:31. | |
night. Lucy, we will let you go and | :47:32. | :47:34. | |
investigate what is happening around you. For the moment, thank you very | :47:35. | :47:39. | |
much. Lucy Williamson near the Bataclan concert Theatre where that | :47:40. | :47:44. | |
assault by police led to a number of bebop being held hostage -- a number | :47:45. | :47:53. | |
of people who were being held hostage and a number of casualties. | :47:54. | :47:59. | |
A man called Ben Grimes was at the belly keep restaurant when it was | :48:00. | :48:08. | |
attacked. We thought it was some people in cars with firearms. It was | :48:09. | :48:16. | |
a lot of people, and we would being led out by police. There were a lot | :48:17. | :48:30. | |
of dead people, it was pretty difficult. I was at the back of the | :48:31. | :48:35. | |
bar so I couldn't see anything, I just heard the gunshots, and people | :48:36. | :48:37. | |
drop to the ground. just heard the gunshots, and people | :48:38. | :48:55. | |
up in the bar because I had to protect my wife. As we were led out, | :48:56. | :49:04. | |
it looks like there was still at least seven dead people outside. The | :49:05. | :49:06. | |
amount of least seven dead people outside. The | :49:07. | :49:12. | |
was huge. There were loads of people hanging outside having treatment. | :49:13. | :49:22. | |
was huge. There were loads of people was really full, in the bar, and we | :49:23. | :49:29. | |
were lucky to be all-weather back. Ben Grimes was in one of the | :49:30. | :49:30. | |
restaurants that Ben Grimes was in one of the | :49:31. | :49:34. | |
earlier this evening. And the President of the United States, | :49:35. | :49:37. | |
Barack Obama, has been talking about this as well. Those who think that | :49:38. | :49:43. | |
they can terrorise the people of France or the values that | :49:44. | :49:47. | |
they can terrorise the people of for are wrong. The American people | :49:48. | :49:47. | |
drawstring from the French people's for are wrong. The American people | :49:48. | :49:55. | |
commitment to life. The pursuit of happiness, and we are reminded in | :49:56. | :49:58. | |
this time of liberty, a happiness, and we are reminded in | :49:59. | :50:11. | |
French people care deeply about and values that we share. And those | :50:12. | :50:21. | |
value s go far beyond any act of terrorism. | :50:22. | :50:26. | |
value s go far beyond any act of condolences and words of support to | :50:27. | :50:30. | |
the French people. I world affairs correspondent Richard Galpin is | :50:31. | :50:31. | |
here. correspondent Richard Galpin is | :50:32. | :50:36. | |
and look back correspondent Richard Galpin is | :50:37. | :50:47. | |
multifaceted attack by a number of people in several locations in Paris | :50:48. | :50:52. | |
tonight. They are saying that this is the worst attack Paris has | :50:53. | :50:55. | |
suffered in decades, perhaps even going back as far as the Second | :50:56. | :51:06. | |
World War. What we know is that at least a hundred people have been | :51:07. | :51:09. | |
killed, and this concert was packed tonight. There have also been | :51:10. | :51:15. | |
attacks outside the Stade de France where the president was attending a | :51:16. | :51:17. | |
football match between France and Germany. Then win over sure that | :51:18. | :51:21. | |
there have Germany. Then win over sure that | :51:22. | :51:24. | |
restaurant and a bar and possibly other locations as well. According | :51:25. | :51:28. | |
to some reports that have been attacks in at least seven different | :51:29. | :51:33. | |
locations, and standing back from it, what | :51:34. | :51:33. | |
locations, and standing back from this was | :51:34. | :51:35. | |
locations, and standing back from they saw the gunman opening fire, | :51:36. | :51:45. | |
locations, and standing back from the magazines then ran out, they | :51:46. | :51:48. | |
locations, and standing back from weapons, fired again on several | :51:49. | :51:49. | |
occasions, so these are people weapons, fired again on several | :51:50. | :51:55. | |
doing. And came well equipped for the violence that they were intent | :51:56. | :51:58. | |
on perpetrating. You mentioned the death toll. A Paris City Hall | :51:59. | :52:03. | |
official being quoted by Reuters is saying that about 100 people were | :52:04. | :52:09. | |
killed at the Bataclan concert Hall, and the belief is that about 40 | :52:10. | :52:14. | |
other people died in the other locations where we have seen these | :52:15. | :52:17. | |
attacks tonight. There have also been reports that two, possibly | :52:18. | :52:23. | |
three attackers were killed by this elite police unit that went in to | :52:24. | :52:32. | |
try to bring an end to this siege. This leaves France with an enormous | :52:33. | :52:40. | |
concern over what they do now, in the next few days. We saw the | :52:41. | :52:44. | |
reaction in terms of increased security in the days and weeks after | :52:45. | :52:50. | |
Charlie Hebdo earlier in the year. And more immediately, there are | :52:51. | :52:52. | |
still several gunmen still on the loose. As you say, maybe two or | :52:53. | :52:57. | |
three have been killed at the Bataclan, but the other gunman, we | :52:58. | :53:02. | |
assume that they are still around, in Paris, and the police will be | :53:03. | :53:05. | |
doing everything they can to try and track them down, but the question of | :53:06. | :53:09. | |
security in Paris for the next few days is going to be absolutely huge. | :53:10. | :53:13. | |
And one thing we also have to remember is that after the Charlie | :53:14. | :53:18. | |
Hebdo attacks in Paris back in January which were absolutely | :53:19. | :53:19. | |
horrific at the time, President Hollande promised they would improve | :53:20. | :53:24. | |
security to prevent these kind of attacks happening again, and here we | :53:25. | :53:30. | |
are nine or ten months later, and we have had an even more serious | :53:31. | :53:31. | |
attack. We need early reports to be | :53:32. | :53:46. | |
confirmed but there is a lot of information coming in. Charlie Pitt | :53:47. | :53:57. | |
is a freelance photographer, and he was only a few yards from where | :53:58. | :54:01. | |
people were shot at a bar. 75 metres from a cafe, it was hit about | :54:02. | :54:16. | |
9:10pm, I had been to a supermarket. I got 30 metres, and then I thought | :54:17. | :54:20. | |
it was a firecracker to start off with and it went on, it got louder. | :54:21. | :54:28. | |
Everybody said, dive for cover, they realised it was gunfire, it went on | :54:29. | :54:32. | |
for a minute, then there was a pause for 15 | :54:33. | :54:33. |