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STUDIO: Other BBC networks are joining us now, this is a reminder

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of what we are watching, latest pictures coming to us from various

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places in Paris. Multiple violent attacks have taken place, including

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shootings. We know that explosions have happened outside of the Stade

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de France, a friendly was taking place between France and Germany.

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Bars and restaurants further into the heart of the city. We need to

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speak again with Paris correspondent Hugh Schofield commonly made his way

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a little while ago to the Bataclan, in the 11th Baron -- in the 11th

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arrondissement. I have just spoken with an anvil and man, he has come

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in from the Paris of with an anvil and man, he has come

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from the palace of the site. He says he has no idea what is going to be

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This is a very trendy and young arrived. --

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This is a very trendy and young area, lots of people have been out,

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warm evening, people on the streets, enjoying very pleasant early

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November evening, and at this concert Hall, the Bataclan, it is

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Eagles of Death Metal that were playing earlier, a well-known

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Californian band. And yes, if it is true that the bulk of people are

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inside, held hostage, this is absolutely frightful. You are pretty

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close to this concert Hall, you are being kept back to a certain extent.

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Probably 100, 200 metres from it, I am on a boulevard, the main road...

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Just around the corner, down the side street. I can see a line of

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police vehicles all the way down. Every now and again, we are told to

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budge, and ambulances are going through. It is the 200 metres

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distance... And we had the exposure. It is very difficult to make

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anything else -- did very difficult to make anything out. Muse will have

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reached you of what the president was saying when you're dressed

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France. The state of emergency, the fact that the borders are to be

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closed. -- what the president was saying when he addressed France. How

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is all of this new is going down? A couple of mobile phones went when he

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was speaking, couple of mobile phones went when he

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political staff, really. It is significant, what you said. The

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first time since the Algerian War that the whole of

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first time since the Algerian War been in a state of emergency. In the

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first time since the Algerian War riots of 2005, parts of the country

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were under a state of emergency, but this is the whole of the country.

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That is unprecedented. Those in the Borders. In a sense, that was

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coming, because of the climate conference, kicking off in a couple

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of weeks. That was the stage where they feared there would be a

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potential terrorist attack, and the closing of the Borders, the

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suspension of Schengen, was going to come in in preparation for that. But

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clearly, this has been eclipsed by this. The mood is... It is an eerie

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mood, wandering around, it was just sinking in. I saw one woman on the

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unease crying, because she had just heard that her friend was in the

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Bataclan concert hall during the concert, and then all of the bars,

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they kind of shut. The blinds are half down, people inside looking

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out, some have been told not to move but they are edging out, looking on

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the streets. There have been altercations between locals,

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wondering what is going on, probably not realising the gravity of the

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situation, and saying to the police, what is going on? The police have

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been aggressive back. It is very eerie. Especially when there is this

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message to the police as well, saying, the whole of the Paris

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region, the whole region, stay at home, is the message from the

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police. That is a staggering piece of advice. It is like telling the

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Home Counties to stay at home because we do not know what has gone

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on! It was a little like that in the Charlie Hebdo events, but this is

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worse! This is more big and more random. And therefore so much more

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frightening. Thank you very much, with the latest from close to the

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Bataclan concert Hall, he says he is 200 metres away, cannot quite see

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the building but we are aware from these pictures, how much activity

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there has been, he says it appears to be the status quo, he has not

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seen people leaving. We understand 100 people have

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seen people leaving. We understand in the Bataclan after an attack,

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gunmen, multiple gunmen, stormed the building.

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Widdowson the studio is the director of security services at the Royal

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Institute in London. You have sat patiently through these developments

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that we are trying to get patiently through these developments

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with coming out of Paris. Your initial observation? I think it is

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difficult to know what we are looking at at this point. What we

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know for certain is we are dealing with a call would Arnie attack

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involving multiple targets and one suspects multiple individuals using

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what appeared to be automatic weapons and explosives, all of which

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require training and preparation, so I think we can pretty confidently

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say that this had been prepared for some time. Across multiple

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locations, and it could be as many as six or seven, we are hearing,

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coordinated in your view? I think so. What we don't know is how all of

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these incidents are connected. Are we dealing with people who are

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jumping on the moment and deciding this is the moment they should

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strike, or people who are mobile and running around the city. We have to

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think about this, if we look back to the Charlie Hebdo attack earlier

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this year, I think it is possible we should also look back to the Mumbai

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attacks in 2008 as an early example of this, where we had a group of

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attackers targeting the city going from target to target, shooting as

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they could, blowing themselves up and ultimately holing themselves up

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in one place to fight to the death. Reuters are saying that the police

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operation at the Bataclan concert theatre where we understand up to

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100 people are being held hostage, that operation is now over. We hope

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to get more details from the police when they are in a position to

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explaining Saky what has been going on inside that holding which was

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packed on a Friday night. There was a heavy metal concert taking place,

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a band playing from California. The British Foreign Office is advising

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that people who have concerns about reduced friends or relatives in

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Paris have a number to call. It is a London number, the main switchboard,

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and I will repeat it a couple of times for you. Apologies if you are

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watching abroad. The number is 0207 0081500. That is further assistance

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for people who are concerned about friends or relatives who may be in

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Paris. This is for British friends or relatives who the Foreign Office

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can help with. If you need to get that number

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again, I imagine it will now be on the British Foreign Office website.

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With us to try to to discuss this is Raffaello Pantucci from the Security

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Institute. They are deploying officers to French government

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locations in the United States, notably New York City, an obvious

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thing to do, but worth repeating. Certainly it is. In other major

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cities there will immediately be concerned about the possibility of a

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copycat incident or some other sort of attack,, or it is a show of

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strength, and people will be alarmed that this could happen to them. It

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is as much to show the people that they are out there and will defend

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what they can. Raffaello, stay with us. We are looking into this

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multifaceted story which is unfolding. Our correspondent is on

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the ground, can you tell us what you are hearing?

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Just behind me is the Bataclan concert hall where the hostages are

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being held, and we are told that the assault has been ongoing there. We

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have heard some gunfire, a lot of police and security forces have been

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cordoning off this road, and we are told that the assault is under way.

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We have had reports that the assault is over. Often here in the studio we

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can get a clear overview then you can on the scene. How many members

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of the public are out and about? We have been reporting that the mayor

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of Paris has said that the city is in lockdown, do not go out.

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That has been the advice given, and behind me as a small crowd of

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onlookers waiting at a police cordon, and we have seen several

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people wandering around. One thing to say is that this area would

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normally be packed at midnight on a Friday night, and it is almost

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deserted. Eerily empty streets, just a small gaggle of people try to find

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out what is going on in their city. And what are they saying to you

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about what they understand in Paris tonight? We have heard the statement

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from President Hollande that this is the most significant series of

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terror attacks that they have had in France, and it comes after the

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events in January of Charlie Hebdo and the Jewish supermarket.

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I think the fact that so many people are staying away and staying indoors

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tells you the level of fear that is here in the city tonight just ten

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months after the Charlie Hebdo attacks. We have these attacks that

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shows some similar hallmarks, attacks with guns on soft targets,

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if you like. And a hostage situation, explosives being used. It

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will bring back painful memories for people here in Paris, and the

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streets here tonight are certainly pretty quiet. There are a lot of

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questions people want answered. Lucy Williamson, thank you very much. She

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is at the 11th hour and he Williamson, thank you very much. She

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the 11th arrondissement. And north-east, in the 10th

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arrondissement, this footage appears to show the aftermath of one of the

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attacks, and you may find it distressing. You can see the

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emergency services in the background who came to the scene pretty fast,

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we understand from who came to the scene pretty fast,

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police cordon put up very quickly after what witnesses said

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police cordon put up very quickly men armed with Kalashnikov assault

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rifles who fired diners through the plate glass windows, and the result

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will multiple casualties. There were reports of people outside the

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restaurant Syriza injured. This is just one of these multiple

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locations. -- seriously injured. We are hearing there maybe six or seven

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locations around Paris, and to the furthest out appears to be Saint

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Denis where a bar near to the Stade De France witnessed an explosion.

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Just a reminder that Raffaello Pantucci from the Royal United

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services Institute in London is here with us now. Where does France go

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from here? We already know from the beginning of the year various places

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around Paris, there were increased security presences, the Army seen on

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the street quite regularly, and people got used to that. What more

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do they do? I think you will have a lot of questions being asked in

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France about what more they have to do at this point. You have seen the

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tempo of attacks and disruptive plots and actual assaults

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tempo of attacks and disruptive in France going up to quite a

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substantial number. The question about what the police can do next,

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you will see the revisiting a lot of their case files, trying to pick

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people up who they were concerned about, who were less of a priority

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and now will become a greater priority. There will be military

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have to be put on the streets to deploy at sites to act as protection

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and to a comfort for the people to show them that security can be

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stepped up. But it is a difficult call. Jens

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Stoltenberg, the general secretary of Nato, has said that terrorists

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will never destroy democracy, carry on with your life, but if you have

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the army out on the streets, that does change things. It depends what

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they are doing. If you go to Brussels, you will have seen heavily

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armed soldiers standing outside most of the official buildings around the

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city. And quite frankly, on my many visits there, I didn't see people

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acting any differently because of it. It is intimidating but it seems

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to be the way the threat picture has gone. The difficulty comes if you

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see an exaggerated crack on broader communities and the victimisation

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and social tensions but that can cause. That is the damage which can

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be irreparable to societies. And the closing of the borders to

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prevent more people leaving or arriving, we just don't know how

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long that could be in place, or for what reason it might be used as this

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being the thing that prompts France to reconsider how it polices its

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borders. I think when you take this on the

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current refugee crisis, it would not surprise me if you start to see

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quite serious questions about the Schengen zone and free movement. We

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saw some of this discussion already this year when there was the

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attempted attack on the Italian train going to France. And there was

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a discussion about whether we need police trains on the continent more.

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Do we need to set up stronger borders and would that be

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preventative? It is difficult to know, that there is certainly this

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question of free movement around the continent being something which

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security forces across Europe are going to be looking at a very

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seriously and wondering if it will continue. Just a couple of days

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ago, authorities across the continent disrupted a large network

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of people associated with a terrorist group, a Kurdish jihadi

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group in northern Iraq which had a network of people across Europe. We

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saw good cross-border European co-operation, but the reason you had

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to have this was because the threat picture was going in that

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direction, with people really across multiple countries.

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Let me just bring you up-to-date with a couple of new lines that have

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come in to us. We understand the police assault that was under way at

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the Bataclan concert Hall in Paris is now over. The police are being

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quoted here by the press Association saying that there were hostages

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being held, the reports earlier were that up to 100 people were held

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hostage, we need to have that fully confirmed, but the reports are that

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French forces have killed at least two attackers during that assault on

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the Bataclan concert hall in the 11th arrondissement. And separately,

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the United Nations Security Council have condemned what they describe as

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the cowardly and barbaric attack in Paris. They want to bring the

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perpetrators of these acts to justice. President Hollande has

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cancelled his participation at the G20 meeting which is taking place in

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Turkey this weekend. I do believe we have got some mobile phone footage

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of what was happening outside the Bataclan concert fitter, and I.

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Speaking because you can hear shots fired and explosions.

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GUNFIRE. A couple of explosions and then some

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sort of gunfire as well. We understand according to a Reuters

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reporter at the scene of that siege that we were just looking at footage

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of, the assault was launched by elite police unit at the concert

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hall where those assailants have been holding people hostage. I

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believe that we had elite units out in January on the streets of Paris

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in the aftermath of the Charlie Hebdo shootings during the couple of

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days when the gun men were on the run. Raffaello Pantucci is briefly

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here with us from the Royal United services Institute. They have

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wrought in real specialists to deal with they would. When you are

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looking at this sort of an operation and people using automatic weapons

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and explosives, you have to send in special forces. I suspect their

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desire was to close down the hostage situation as soon as possible, if

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you are dealing with able who are clearly intends to kill as many as

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they can, you want to prevent them from doing that any more, and moving

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in strong would be unnecessary. The Charlie Hebdo attack was clearly a

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wake-up call for French authorities, and it is worth remembering soon

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after that a plot was disrupted across the border in Belgium with

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groups who appeared to have explosive devices in police

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uniforms, under suspicion was they were planning a large attack in

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Brussels that could have been shaped by this. There was a heavy police

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assault there that ended up in a big shoot out, but it was a very live

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and dynamic terrorist incident. They have had a lot to cope with

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this year, France and their various authorities. Stay with us if you

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would, because on the line now we are joined by a jazz musician who

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was performing at a restaurant close to where one of these attacks

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happened. Leo, thank you for joining us here. Tell us where you were.

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To be honest with you, I am not sure exactly what I was close to and what

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I was not close to, it has been so difficult to really receive any

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accurate information here, just as difficult here as it is anywhere. I

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was performing at a jazz club called the Sunset. There was a murmur that

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went through the crowd that something was going on. We continue

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to play for a while, then we took a break. On the break, we still had

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not decided whether or not it made sense to continue playing. Somebody

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showed me a cell phone notification that there had been a shooting, very

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close by, really. It seemed almost impossible to continue playing a

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concert under those conditions. We carefully encouraged people to

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calmly go home, and I did the same thing. In an apartment nearby now.

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Do you know what is happening outside? We understand there is

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pretty much a lockdown in the city, and the mayor of Paris has said,

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don't go anywhere. You might be best to stay where you are. That was the

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sense. In fact, when the first new is kind of hit, we were thinking,

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maybe it made sense to stay where we were. Within 20 minutes of the

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initial indication, the streets emptied. There is nobody on the

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street. Where are you getting information from? I'm getting it

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from the Internet, international Muse media.

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In the last five minutes, it has begun to harsh, there was a kind of

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military din armour but it is now hushed. It is difficult to get an

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overview. Before this evening, you may spend time in France but you are

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yourself not French, what has the atmosphere been like? Before

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tonight? I would say that it has been lovely, I have been here for

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ten days and it has been sunny and wonderful. Actually, unusually

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pleasant for this time of year. I have not had any sense of discomfort

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or sense of lack of security for my safety in any way. It has been a

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very positive autumn. There has been increased security throughout the

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year because of the events of January, Charlie Hebdo, it has not

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put you off visiting France, despite the grave issues we have seen? It is

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true, this is my fourth trip to France this year to perform, I come

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under a very nonpolitical circumstance, I come to perform. I

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do not necessarily perceive the cultural feeling through that

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filter. But you are right, it has been a difficult year for France,

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and we feel it a little bit, from my perspective, it has also been a very

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positive year culturally, for me. So it is an interesting question. I

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assume it is from the United States that you are visiting. Yes.

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You think there is a greater threat to Europe and the US? Good question,

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I do not think that I would be able to say that I feel

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I do not think that I would be able there is a greater threat, but I

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would say that there is a greater threat, but I

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familiar to me from 2001, in the United States. I had not felt that

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in Europe as an American until now. In that sense, I feel that there is

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something related, now, that I have not felt before, we will have to

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look at this in the light of day in order to know whether there is a

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greater threat, at this moment, I would say, yes I feel that. Thank

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you very much for speaking We were reporting a few moments ago

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that the police assault using the elite forces at the Bataclan concert

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theatre in the 11th arrondissement is now over and there were reports

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that the theatre-goers who had been held hostage had started to leave

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the theatre, however, we understand through Reuters newsagency, quoting

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the PFM television in France, that about 100 people are thought to have

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died inside the Bataclan. Earlier we had heard that 15 people had been

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shot, and then 100 people had been held hostage. -- BFM. It would

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appear that those figures were a lot higher.

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A shocking figure. Not surprising, if you recall, the events of the

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last few hours, the special unit of the French Armed Forces stormed the

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theatre very quickly, that was their decision, meaning that they were

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fearing, in any case, a huge number of casualties, because we are

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confronting... We are confronted with killers who are ready to die.

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There were reports of grenades within the theatre. You can imagine

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what a grenade does in a confined space. 100 dead is what the French

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newspaper is reporting. According to the AFP newsagency, three suspected

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jihadists, is how they are being described, certainly people who were

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armed, were killed when the elite police stormed the venue. Another

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newsagency has it as two armed attackers. It is a very great risk.

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A calculation that the authorities have to make. When they storm the

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building of this size. I think they knew that the killers were ready to

:30:06.:30:13.

die. It is not a traditional hostage crisis, when you negotiate, when you

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release people... Throughout the day... You can take hours, as you

:30:18.:30:25.

know. The fact that they decided to strike almost immediately meant that

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the situation was extremely grave. It is very difficult here to know

:30:32.:30:37.

how these different acts of violence across multiple locations, perhaps

:30:38.:30:40.

as many as... How do they fit together? We will know that in due

:30:41.:30:46.

time. Obviously it looks very coordinated. Did it take many

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different cells? Just one? Was there a trigger effect? You were with me

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in the studio earlier, while you have been outside, I assume you have

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been speaking with a lot of people in France. What have people been

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telling you? A sense of shock, some measures that France has not seen in

:31:15.:31:29.

decades, a state of emergency. I had a friend on an aeroplane who had

:31:30.:31:32.

just landed in Paris and the pilot said, we do not know whether you

:31:33.:31:46.

will be able to get out. All school trips are cancelled throughout

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France. We can now speak with Freedom Jackson, in her apartment

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just two doors away from the Bataclan. Thank you for joining us,

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you must have had the most terrifying evening, tell us what you

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have been going through. A lot of crying. I was making dinner, I heard

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a girl outside screaming, and a couple of men sounded like they were

:32:24.:32:26.

having a fight, sounded like the usual tried a night fighting in

:32:27.:32:31.

Paris, as it happens. It was really aggressive, I closed my window

:32:32.:32:34.

because I did not want to hear it, went to my room. I could hear a girl

:32:35.:32:39.

screaming for help, the last thing I heard her say was screaming for a

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man called Felipe and I heard a bang, and I thought it was not a

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gunshot because that is not really happen. I was very scared because

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people began screaming, people were shouting. Sounded really aggressive

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outside. I stayed in Myron, spoke with my friends, I have only been

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living here for a couple of months, I am 18. It is a change for me. I

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was on the telephone to my friend, he could hear the rounds of gunfire,

:33:11.:33:15.

while I was on the phone to me. He told me, you cannot leave your room

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at all. Just after that, looked at venues, and saw that it was all

:33:21.:33:32.

happening next door. There was loads of gunfire again. Loads of people

:33:33.:33:35.

screaming. I decided of gunfire again. Loads of people

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to go and stay in my neighbour's flat, because I was too scared to

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stay alone. What were you able to see outside the window, you are not

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very far from the Bataclan. This is where the hostagetaking was

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happening. You can see the police surrounding the area, the police are

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wearing protective outfits, with Shields on their face. They are

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circling the building. We have heard that there has been a hundred people

:34:31.:34:34.

who have died as a result of that siege. The advice we are hearing

:34:35.:34:52.

from the mayor of Paris is that nobody should be going anywhere, I

:34:53.:34:56.

should assume you will be following that closely? I'm quite happy on the

:34:57.:35:04.

sixth floor, in the sky. Not being anywhere near anyone. I do not want

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to go anywhere near what is going on. I'm hoping that tomorrow I can

:35:10.:35:14.

stay with my aunt for the weekend, going to Versailles, because I do

:35:15.:35:20.

not want to be so close to it. Perfectly understandable, Freedom,

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thank you for speaking with us, stay with that neighbour, keep safe. The

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latest that we are hearing. 100 people are thought to have died

:35:35.:35:37.

inside the Bataclan, they have gone there, busy Friday night, packed

:35:38.:35:42.

venue, to watch a band from California, a rock band, and we

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understand that attackers, possibly two, maybe three, maybe even more,

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stormed the building, shots were fired, and within the last few

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minutes, really, we have heard that those that survived that attack have

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been making their way out that concert Hall. The French president,

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Francois Hollande, was on television a little earlier tonight to tell the

:36:10.:36:12.

nation that terrorist attacks were underway. On an unprecedented scale.

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He announced a state of emergency and a closure of the borders of the

:36:21.:36:27.

country. TRANSLATION: To did decisions will be taken, a state of

:36:28.:36:31.

emergency, certain places will be shut off, traffic may be banned from

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some places and searches will be conducted across the whole Paris

:36:36.:36:38.

region. -- two decisions will be taken. A state of emergency will be

:36:39.:36:42.

declared across the whole territory. The second decision I

:36:43.:36:45.

have taken it to close the borders, we must make certain that nobody is

:36:46.:36:50.

going to enter to carry out any acts, whatever they may be, and make

:36:51.:36:53.

sure that those that have committed the crimes will be apprehended,

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should they leave the territory. That was the French president,

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Francois Hollande, speaking a little earlier, to the French people on

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television. We are getting unconfirmed reports... I must stress

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these are unconfirmed reports... From social media... That the camp

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known as the jungle in Calais, which is home to many migrants trying to

:37:20.:37:24.

make their way across the Channel, that that camp is on fire. -- The

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Jungle. Is that this could be a revenge attack. I would urge you to

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take that with a huge amount of caution. -- the suspicion is that

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Social media suggesting that the Jungle camp in Calais is on fire,

:37:49.:37:59.

and it is only a suggestion, that it is a possible revenge attack.

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and it is only a suggestion, that it also just reading an social media,

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Reuters saying that the French Foreign Ministry is saying that

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airports will remain open, that flights and trains will continue

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running, which is slightly confusing, because we have also

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heard that the borders are closing, the land borders, supposedly. We

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will need a full explanation of how flights and trains can keep running

:38:24.:38:29.

across borders unless these are just internal flights and trains. We need

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to have that explained to us. Let's speak to Hugh Schofield who joins us

:38:36.:38:39.

from Paris now. And a reminder that you were 200 metres from the

:38:40.:38:49.

Bataclan concert Hall. We understand that the siege is over, but with a

:38:50.:38:54.

high number of casualties. I don't know anything about casualties, and

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as I speak, we are waiting at a police line for the prosecutor Paris

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to come and talk to us, and he will give us the detail of what has

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happened. I know that there are ports circulating that you are

:39:10.:39:14.

seeing more quickly than I am of a high number of casualties, and I

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can't comment on that. There is certainly the sense that this is

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over here, because the atmosphere is more relaxed, and a plainclothes

:39:26.:39:28.

policeman is saying that they will be a press conference coming up. I

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understand that officials are in the area touring the places where the

:39:42.:39:46.

attacks have happened and talking to police, and I'm hoping that one of

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them will be the prosecutor and might talk to us. One does sense

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that it is over, and now it is a question of working out what had

:39:57.:40:03.

happened, what the toll is, and then the big questions about what this

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all means. Tell us what you're seeing now, because obviously the

:40:08.:40:11.

mayor of Paris sometime ago advised people across the whole of the Paris

:40:12.:40:17.

region, huge area of France, to stay indoors, but people who are

:40:18.:40:21.

trapped, trying to get out of the Bataclan concert theatre, they have

:40:22.:40:27.

to get home. In the bars all around here, you can see that there are

:40:28.:40:30.

people behind the shutters just waiting. I think in practice it is

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loosening up and people are coming out and moving on now. The immediate

:40:37.:40:41.

area around Bataclan is still very much locked down, but we are quite a

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way back now. They pushed it back, and I think that those words to

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people in the Paris region, to stay at home, was very much in the heat

:40:58.:41:00.

of the moment when nobody knew what was happening. I think perhaps

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already they will feel that something terrible has happened, but

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that it has happened, and there aren't others on the loose, and this

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sense of siege will ease off. I can't really judge where we are in

:41:15.:41:19.

that process right now. They think they have tagged all the

:41:20.:41:21.

terrorists, and therefore what has been completed, or whether they

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think more people are on the loose. I just don't know.

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Hugh, thank you very much. Lucy Williamson is another one of our

:41:34.:41:38.

correspondents in Paris tonight. You also not very far from the Bataclan

:41:39.:41:42.

concert Hall. What are you hearing? The Bataclan concert Hall is behind

:41:43.:41:51.

us and we know that the assault is finished now. We're getting reports

:41:52.:41:55.

that some attackers have been killed in the assault, but we are also

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getting early reports from the French news agency here that maybe

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100 hostages have been killed in the attack here, so we are awaiting

:42:06.:42:09.

confirmation, but if true, that will be a very to build for France to

:42:10.:42:15.

swallow, and a very difficult thing for the president who we believe is

:42:16.:42:19.

touring this area at the moment, or shortly, a very difficult thing for

:42:20.:42:24.

him to overcome and to try and instil a sense of security going

:42:25.:42:31.

forward. A huge risk, even when elite forces are sent in to try to

:42:32.:42:37.

end a siege like this, it must be a hugely difficult call for the

:42:38.:42:42.

authorities to know what to do. Sieges like this are no tourists are

:42:43.:42:50.

difficult, trying to safeguard hostages' lives whilst diminish the

:42:51.:42:56.

threat. We don't know at what stage the casualties denied happened or

:42:57.:43:00.

who was responsible, so I think as with everything that has happened

:43:01.:43:04.

here tonight, it is far too early to get a forensics sense of how things

:43:05.:43:09.

unfolded. At the moment, the authorities here are still at the

:43:10.:43:12.

stage of counting the dead, trying to lock down the rest of the

:43:13.:43:17.

capital, and making sure they have got everybody they can in the

:43:18.:43:19.

network who has carried out these attacks.

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We will pause for a second, because there is a suggestion that... It was

:43:24.:43:28.

being reported an social media that there were pictures of a fire at the

:43:29.:43:34.

camp known as the Jungle in Calais. It does appear that these were old

:43:35.:43:39.

pictures that came from some time ago, and I did warn that we needed

:43:40.:43:44.

to treat those reports with utmost care, because we needed to have it

:43:45.:43:49.

confirmed, and it does appear that those pictures were old and not

:43:50.:43:54.

pertinent to tonight or anything that has been happening in Paris. So

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we will set those to one side. A reminder, though, that the police

:44:00.:44:07.

are appealing an social media for tonight's, for anyone with any

:44:08.:44:12.

information about any of the attacks on the seven locations we know of so

:44:13.:44:18.

far to contact them. Clearly there are multiple eyewitnesses to what

:44:19.:44:21.

has happened, because there seems to have been a multifaceted and

:44:22.:44:29.

coordinated attack. Lucy Williamson is still with us live from Paris.

:44:30.:44:38.

And now, Lucy, the country is in lockdown, a state of emergency and

:44:39.:44:41.

the borders are supposed to be closed. What is that going to mean

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to you believe France? I think it was resident Hoiland's initial

:44:48.:44:50.

reaction to a situation that very few people understood tonight. As

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you said, he said that France was facing a series of terrorist attacks

:44:55.:44:58.

that were unprecedented here, and as you said, he called for a state of

:44:59.:45:04.

emergency, announced a state of emergency and also an assault on the

:45:05.:45:07.

building behind me, and yes, he has said that the borders of the country

:45:08.:45:13.

will be closed to prevent the attackers fleeing. And he also

:45:14.:45:19.

called for military reinforcements. Since the Charlie Hebdo events of

:45:20.:45:23.

January, there was a greater presence of security on the streets.

:45:24.:45:27.

Will that be ratcheted up now, then? I think if the number of dead

:45:28.:45:33.

that we are hearing here is confirmed, this is really a game

:45:34.:45:38.

changer for France, and something that will call for really quite

:45:39.:45:41.

radical perhaps thinking on how France can protect itself after the

:45:42.:45:48.

Charlie Hebdo attacks there was security, security was ramped up all

:45:49.:45:51.

across vulnerable sites, but the trouble with attacks like this is

:45:52.:45:56.

that often happen on soft targets, restaurant, a concert hall, places

:45:57.:46:02.

that are difficult to protect nationwide, so I think that will be

:46:03.:46:04.

the challenge facing the government in the days to come. After Charlie

:46:05.:46:08.

Hebdo, there were a couple of days where the gunmen in those shootings

:46:09.:46:14.

were on the run. We appear to have multiple attackers who the police

:46:15.:46:22.

need to trace. The city is going to be a difficult place to be the next

:46:23.:46:29.

days. That's right. There are several attackers that police are

:46:30.:46:33.

trying to find the moment, and obviously a great deal of fear in

:46:34.:46:38.

Paris as their whereabouts remain unknown. It raises very painful

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memories of the attacks ten month ago when Charlie Hebdo was attacked,

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the siege of the Jewish supermarket and the tense days but unfolded as

:46:46.:46:52.

police tried to chase and find everyone involved in those attacks,

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and I think the next few days will be very worrying one the people here

:46:56.:47:01.

in Paris and further afield. Is a great deal of noise behind you.

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I just want to make sure that you are OK, you are safe, you can maybe

:47:07.:47:10.

turn around and tell us what you conceive. I'm not exactly sure what

:47:11.:47:15.

is going on behind me, but there are great deal of onlookers who have

:47:16.:47:20.

gathered here, and I think this may be that a skirmish has broken out

:47:21.:47:24.

the onlookers or perhaps with the police, but there are a great deal

:47:25.:47:27.

of security forces here and some onlookers here on the street late at

:47:28.:47:31.

night. Lucy, we will let you go and

:47:32.:47:34.

investigate what is happening around you. For the moment, thank you very

:47:35.:47:39.

much. Lucy Williamson near the Bataclan concert Theatre where that

:47:40.:47:44.

assault by police led to a number of bebop being held hostage -- a number

:47:45.:47:53.

of people who were being held hostage and a number of casualties.

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A man called Ben Grimes was at the belly keep restaurant when it was

:48:00.:48:08.

attacked. We thought it was some people in cars with firearms. It was

:48:09.:48:16.

a lot of people, and we would being led out by police. There were a lot

:48:17.:48:30.

of dead people, it was pretty difficult. I was at the back of the

:48:31.:48:35.

bar so I couldn't see anything, I just heard the gunshots, and people

:48:36.:48:37.

drop to the ground. just heard the gunshots, and people

:48:38.:48:55.

up in the bar because I had to protect my wife. As we were led out,

:48:56.:49:04.

it looks like there was still at least seven dead people outside. The

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amount of least seven dead people outside. The

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was huge. There were loads of people hanging outside having treatment.

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was huge. There were loads of people was really full, in the bar, and we

:49:23.:49:29.

were lucky to be all-weather back. Ben Grimes was in one of the

:49:30.:49:30.

restaurants that Ben Grimes was in one of the

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earlier this evening. And the President of the United States,

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Barack Obama, has been talking about this as well. Those who think that

:49:38.:49:43.

they can terrorise the people of France or the values that

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they can terrorise the people of for are wrong. The American people

:49:48.:49:47.

drawstring from the French people's for are wrong. The American people

:49:48.:49:55.

commitment to life. The pursuit of happiness, and we are reminded in

:49:56.:49:58.

this time of liberty, a happiness, and we are reminded in

:49:59.:50:11.

French people care deeply about and values that we share. And those

:50:12.:50:21.

value s go far beyond any act of terrorism.

:50:22.:50:26.

value s go far beyond any act of condolences and words of support to

:50:27.:50:30.

the French people. I world affairs correspondent Richard Galpin is

:50:31.:50:31.

here. correspondent Richard Galpin is

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and look back correspondent Richard Galpin is

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multifaceted attack by a number of people in several locations in Paris

:50:48.:50:52.

tonight. They are saying that this is the worst attack Paris has

:50:53.:50:55.

suffered in decades, perhaps even going back as far as the Second

:50:56.:51:06.

World War. What we know is that at least a hundred people have been

:51:07.:51:09.

killed, and this concert was packed tonight. There have also been

:51:10.:51:15.

attacks outside the Stade de France where the president was attending a

:51:16.:51:17.

football match between France and Germany. Then win over sure that

:51:18.:51:21.

there have Germany. Then win over sure that

:51:22.:51:24.

restaurant and a bar and possibly other locations as well. According

:51:25.:51:28.

to some reports that have been attacks in at least seven different

:51:29.:51:33.

locations, and standing back from it, what

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locations, and standing back from this was

:51:34.:51:35.

locations, and standing back from they saw the gunman opening fire,

:51:36.:51:45.

locations, and standing back from the magazines then ran out, they

:51:46.:51:48.

locations, and standing back from weapons, fired again on several

:51:49.:51:49.

occasions, so these are people weapons, fired again on several

:51:50.:51:55.

doing. And came well equipped for the violence that they were intent

:51:56.:51:58.

on perpetrating. You mentioned the death toll. A Paris City Hall

:51:59.:52:03.

official being quoted by Reuters is saying that about 100 people were

:52:04.:52:09.

killed at the Bataclan concert Hall, and the belief is that about 40

:52:10.:52:14.

other people died in the other locations where we have seen these

:52:15.:52:17.

attacks tonight. There have also been reports that two, possibly

:52:18.:52:23.

three attackers were killed by this elite police unit that went in to

:52:24.:52:32.

try to bring an end to this siege. This leaves France with an enormous

:52:33.:52:40.

concern over what they do now, in the next few days. We saw the

:52:41.:52:44.

reaction in terms of increased security in the days and weeks after

:52:45.:52:50.

Charlie Hebdo earlier in the year. And more immediately, there are

:52:51.:52:52.

still several gunmen still on the loose. As you say, maybe two or

:52:53.:52:57.

three have been killed at the Bataclan, but the other gunman, we

:52:58.:53:02.

assume that they are still around, in Paris, and the police will be

:53:03.:53:05.

doing everything they can to try and track them down, but the question of

:53:06.:53:09.

security in Paris for the next few days is going to be absolutely huge.

:53:10.:53:13.

And one thing we also have to remember is that after the Charlie

:53:14.:53:18.

Hebdo attacks in Paris back in January which were absolutely

:53:19.:53:19.

horrific at the time, President Hollande promised they would improve

:53:20.:53:24.

security to prevent these kind of attacks happening again, and here we

:53:25.:53:30.

are nine or ten months later, and we have had an even more serious

:53:31.:53:31.

attack. We need early reports to be

:53:32.:53:46.

confirmed but there is a lot of information coming in. Charlie Pitt

:53:47.:53:57.

is a freelance photographer, and he was only a few yards from where

:53:58.:54:01.

people were shot at a bar. 75 metres from a cafe, it was hit about

:54:02.:54:16.

9:10pm, I had been to a supermarket. I got 30 metres, and then I thought

:54:17.:54:20.

it was a firecracker to start off with and it went on, it got louder.

:54:21.:54:28.

Everybody said, dive for cover, they realised it was gunfire, it went on

:54:29.:54:32.

for a minute, then there was a pause for 15

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