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-Hello, good evening

-and thank you for joining me.

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-Tonight, I'll be chatting

-to a young girl...

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-..who is hoping for a career

-as a professional singer.

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-I'll also chat

-to a husband and wife...

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-..who have entertained us

-for a number of years.

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-First, we have a talented young man.

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-I first met him when he was 15...

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-..and he was a guest in my studio

-in Caernarfon.

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-Welcome to Deiniol Wyn Rees.

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-It's lovely to see you, Deiniol.

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-It's lovely to see you, Deiniol.

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-You too, Margaret.

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-You were 15

-when we first met in my studio.

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-Was I only 15?

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-Mam drove me to North Wales...

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-..knowing full well that snow

-had been forecast that night.

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-Bethan Anwyl, your

-assistant producer at the time...

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-..kept an eye on the weather

-in the South.

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-Mam started to panic.

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-Mam was the one

-who always took me everywhere.

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-Did she drive you

-from one Eisteddfod to the next?

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-Yes, Mam was my chaperone.

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-Mam's had more experiences than me!

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-I remember you

-coming to the studio.

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-You were full of life

-and eager to sing and dance.

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-It all seemed to

-come naturally to me as a child.

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-I was always excited

-about doing something new.

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-I'd always throw myself in

-at the deep end.

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-I didn't worry about it.

-I'd just go with it.

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-You came to the studio

-as a young boy...

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-..because a company wanted you

-to sing a new song.

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-You had to perform with an orchestra

-and you'd never done it before.

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-I didn't know the song.

-I was still learning it in the car!

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-The company asked you to sing it.

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-The company asked you to sing it.

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-Yes, that's right.

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-I learnt the song the week

-before the programme.

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-The orchestra was new to me

-and I didn't know about the tempo...

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-..but I gave it a good shot!

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-You were excellent.

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-There was a crescendo

-in the middle eight.

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-Everyone enjoyed it.

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-Let's remind ourselves of your

-performance of The Ugly Duckling.

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-# There once was an ugly duckling

-with feathers all stubby and brown

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-# And the other birds said

-in so many words

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-# Get out of town

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-# Get out, get out

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-# Get out of town

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-# And he went with a quack

-and a waddle and a quack

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-# In a flurry of eiderdown

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-# That poor little ugly duckling

-went wandering far and near

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-# But at every place

-they said to his face

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-# Get out of here

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-# Get out, get out

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-# Get out of here

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-# And he went with a quack

-and a waddle and a quack

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-# And a very unhappy tear #

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-Oh, you gave

-a wonderful performance.

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-You had ambitions for the West End

-even at that time.

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-Yes, I did.

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-Have you always been ambitious?

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-I wasn't sure if I wanted

-to combine acting and singing...

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-..but after performing

-on your programme...

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-..I decided to do a course

-in Performing Arts.

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-Following that, I studied Theatre,

-Music and Media at Trinity College.

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-Whilst studying

-Theatre, Music and Media...

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-..I had a masterclass with a

-well-known lady called Mary Hammond.

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-During the class, she told me that

-I should do her course, so I did...

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-..and then studied Musical Theatre

-at London's Royal Academy of Music.

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-That has certainly helped you...

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-..and led to auditions

-in West End theatres...

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-..as opposed to the Eisteddfod.

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-I'd learnt a lot

-before going to the Royal Academy.

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-Few people have these experiences...

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-..before going

-to a professional college.

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-When I was at Trinity College, I

-worked at McDonalds in Carmarthen.

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-I left that job

-when I got the part on Pobol y Cwm.

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-It was a good time.

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-Pobol y Cwm

-is better than McDonalds!

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-The money was much better.

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-After Trinity, I went to study

-Musical Theatre in London...

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-..my voice changed quite a bit...

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-..and I had a lot

-of extra opportunities.

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-What are you doing these days?

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-Erm, well for the past year...

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-..I've been concentrating

-on settling into a permanent job.

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-I currently work for

-a skincare company from Japan.

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-I'm a brand ambassador...

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-..and serves shops

-across England and Scotland.

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-This is my current job...

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-..but before

-I settled into this job...

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-..I did a cartoon for S4C

-called Bla Bla Blewog last year.

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-There are plans to make another

-series in November of this year.

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-I doubt you've left

-the performing world completely.

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-No, and I want to produce

-my own album.

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-I plan to produce it this year...

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-..but I needed a full-time job

-to be able to fund the album...

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-..because I wanted to do it

-off my own back.

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-I hope to release the album

-in time for Christmas this year.

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-You've still got a lot of plans

-and have achieved so much already.

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-All the best for the future.

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-I've had so many experiences since I

-was a child and they are continuing.

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-Thank you.

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-Thank you.

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-Thank you, Margaret.

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-My next guest is a young girl

-with her sights on the future.

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-Kate Rhiannon Harwood

-is a classical singer.

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-Kate Rhiannon Harwood

-is a very grand name.

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-Where are you from?

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-Where are you from?

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-I'm originally from Swansea.

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-Do you still live in Swansea?

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-Do you still live in Swansea?

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-Yes, in Morriston.

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-You're a classical singer.

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-Do you have lessons

-or follow any training?

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-I go to Cardiff's Royal Welsh

-College of Music & Drama...

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-..for classical singing lessons

-with Christine Thompson...

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-..but I sing a bit of everything.

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-Which is your favourite?

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-Which is your favourite?

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-I prefer classical.

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-However, I also like

-songs from musicals and folk tunes.

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-Have you ever performed

-in a musical?

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-Yes, I belong to a drama group

-and we have a show every year.

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-I recall you telling me...

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-..that you sing in concerts

-with various male voice choirs.

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-Dad belongs to the

-Morriston RFC Male Voice Choir.

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-I've performed as a soloist with

-them in Wales and over the border.

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-Do you sing with other choirs too?

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-I perform as a soloist with

-local groups and ladies' choirs.

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-Tell me more about the arena.

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-You sang in an arena in Manchester.

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-Yes, I was invited to sing

-in Manchester last year...

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-..to mark 50 years of male voice

-choirs and it was amazing.

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-Were there 50

-male voice choirs present?

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-No, it was A Thousand Voices.

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-It included

-the Morriston Male Voice Choir...

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-..and choirs from Wales,

-Australia and New Zealand.

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-That's a wonderful experience!

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-Were you a soloist?

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-Yes, I was one of the five soloists

-chosen to take part.

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-Were they from Wales

-or all over the world?

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-They were classical singers

-and instrumentalists.

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-What did you sing?

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-I sang

-Does Unman Yn Debyg I Gartref.

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-One of the favourites.

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-There was also What I Did For Love

-from the musical, Chorus Line...

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-..and the folk tune, Ar Lan Y Mor.

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-I'm sure they went down well.

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-I'm sure they went down well.

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-Yes, they did.

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-What are your hopes for the future?

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-I've already made a charity album

-and raised over 1,000 to date.

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-It was something

-I've always wanted to do.

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-The album has classical tracks,

-folk tunes and pop songs.

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-Is the album called Kate?

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-Is the album called Kate?

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-No, it's True Colours.

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-I wanted to show my true colours...

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-..and the song, True Colours,

-is on the album.

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-Well done to you.

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-What are you singing for us tonight?

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-It's a Caryl Parry Jones song

-called Adre.

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-I can't wait to hear it.

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-You can do a classical track

-for us next time.

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-Let's hear your version of Adre,

-Kate.

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-# If the stars are lost

-one dark night

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-# Come home

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-# Home to me

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-# If a storm arises

-over the acres of ocean

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-# Come home

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-# Home to me

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-# If the dawn doesn't

-steal the brightness of day

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-# Come home

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-# Home to me

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-# And today never lets you run free

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-# Come home

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-# Home to me

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-# Let the tears

-that overpowered you

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-# Bid farewell to all your fears

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-# Let the heartbeat drift away

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-# So you're free

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-# To run back

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-# As the pain retracts

-and gives you strength

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-# Come home

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-# Home to me

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-# When the world shows

-who you can be

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-# Come home

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-# Home to me

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-# Let every light that you see

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-# Guide you back

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-# Back to me #

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-I hope you enjoyed

-Kate's performance earlier...

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-..and that you'll enjoy meeting

-my next guests.

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-They are Olwen Rees

-and Johnny Tudor.

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-Hello to you both. We haven't seen

-each other in quite a while.

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-No, that's true.

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-You both had a showbiz upbringing

-but they were very different.

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-Olwen's mother was Sassie Rees.

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-Everybody either knew

-or has heard of Sassie Rees.

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-Your father was Bert Cecil and

-he was a real showbiz act, Johnny.

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-My father started playing in bands

-in London at a young age.

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-Following this,

-he moved into variety shows.

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-My father met my mother in a show to

-entertain the troops during the war.

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-Oh, I see.

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-Performers such as Katherine Jenkins

-entertain the troops these days.

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-Was your mother in showbusiness too?

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-Was your mother in showbusiness too?

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-She was a dancer in the same show.

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-You once told me that your father

-was an accompanist for Sassie.

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-When I was in a pantomime with Olwen

-in Porthcawl many years ago...

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-..I was told that my father

-had played for Sassie...

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-..on a radio programme

-called Welsh Rarebit in the 1950s.

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-My father knew Sassie

-before I knew Olwen!

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-It's amazing

-how the world goes round.

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-Did Sassie say anything to you?

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-Did Sassie say anything to you?

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-Yes, she did.

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-I told her that Bert had told me

-that he was one of her accompanists.

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-"Yes, he was an accompanist

-for everyone.

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-"I went to make the programme and

-he was my accompanist," she said.

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-Did you meet at the pantomime?

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-Did you meet at the pantomime?

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-Yes, at Porthcawl.

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-John was playing Dick Whittington

-and I played Alice Fitzwarren.

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-I want to take you back

-to the 1960s...

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-..when Johnny and I first worked

-together on a television series.

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-It was a 1960s series

-called Beth Nesaf.

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-I couldn't understand

-a word of Welsh!

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-Every day, you had to tell me

-what I needed to say.

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-Mered told me that I had to learn

-Welsh, so I did an Wlpan course.

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-And I called you Sion Tudor!

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-And I called you Sion Tudor!

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-Yes, Sion Tudor.

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-That's right.

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-I was called Margied!

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-Ruth Madoc was part of the team

-and she couldn't speak Welsh either.

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-There was you and I...

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-..Ruth Madoc and Bryn Williams

-who was learning to speak Welsh.

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-Ruth didn't speak Welsh either

-and Ryan was always busy.

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-It was long before the days

-of Ryan a Ronnie...

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-..so you only had me

-to help you with your Welsh...

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-..but we had a lot of fun.

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-I remember thinking that you would

-never learn the language...

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-..but you did the Wlpan course.

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-I told Gwenlyn Parry all about it.

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-Gwenlyn turned and said...

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-.."Johnny is dating Olwen

-and love can work miracles."

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-He's excellent with languages and

-is learning Spanish at the moment.

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-Yes, I'm currently learning Spanish.

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-If I'm speaking Spanish in Spain

-and can't remember a word...

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-..I use the Welsh word instead!

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-You obviously have a good ear

-for languages, Johnny.

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-It's great that you learnt Welsh.

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-You've had a lot of work

-through the medium of Welsh.

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-You were in a panto in Cardiff

-when I was on the Wlpan course...

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-..and I'd come to the theatre to ask

-for your help with my homework.

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-Yes, I remember that.

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-We'll see more of Olwen

-in a moment...

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-..but let's remind ourselves of

-when you both joined me in 2005...

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-..and Johnny did

-a song and dance number in Welsh.

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-# You're certain to enjoy

-fun and frolics in Llandudno

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-# You'll hear a quiet, tranquil song

-whilst I'm waving my stick

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-# It's the best entertainment,

-the best entertainment

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-# It's the best entertainment

-for me, yes sir!

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-# Yes sir! #

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-That was wonderful, Johnny.

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-That's the Johnny we know,

-the song and dance man.

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-How did you learn it all?

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-How did you learn it all?

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-My mother was a dancer.

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-My father told me

-that I had to sing too...

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-..but I couldn't sing!

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-He said I couldn't make a living

-if I wasn't able to sing...

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-..so I learnt to sing...

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-..and had auditions for

-the summer seasons and pantomimes.

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-I also won Opportunity Knocks

-four times.

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-This was followed by

-a recording contract and so on.

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-Oh, that's so interesting.

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-Your background

-is very different, Olwen...

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-..because Sassie worked in radio.

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-I remember writing to Sassie

-and asking her to sing me a song...

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-..when I was a child.

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-It was wonderful to hear her sing.

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-Did you listen to her

-singing at home?

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-Yes, we would listen to her.

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-I remember being ill

-in hospital at Bangor.

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-Mam visited and said she was working

-the following day...

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-..and asked if I wanted a song

-on Jim Cro Crwstyn.

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-I can't remember which song I chose.

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-The following day, I listened

-and the song wasn't played.

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-Mam said nobody wanted that song

-so she had to sing the other ones...

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-..but she did sing it

-for me afterwards.

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-I don't know what I would have done,

-Olwen.

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-Did you listen to your mother

-when she rehearsed at home?

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-She would appear on Noson Lawen

-with an array of different people...

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-..including Triawd y Coleg.

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-When Mam was appearing

-on Camcymeriadau...

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-..she was given the song

-on a Thursday...

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-..to learn by the Saturday

-to perform at the Penrhyn Hall.

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-Everything was live in those days.

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-I would go with Nain

-to listen to some of the recordings.

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-There was Nesta Harries,

-Charles Williams, Megan Rees...

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-..T C Simpson

-and Ieuan Rhys Williams.

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-I remember that Mam would be

-washing the dishes at home...

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-..whilst learning her lyrics.

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-It was very difficult for her.

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-It was very difficult for her.

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-Yes, I'm sure.

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-I remember some time later

-in 1961...

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-..I was asked to appear in a

-radio programme called Copacabana.

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-There were 13 episodes.

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-Gwyn Williams asked me to sing

-with a group called Blodau'r Ffair.

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-There was a competition

-to compose a song.

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-New songs arrived every week...

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-..so Blodau'r Ffair and I

-sang twelve of them.

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-T Gwynn Jones, Cledwyn and your

-mother, Sassie sang the other song.

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-Gwynn had composed it.

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-That was the winning song

-in the competition.

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-It was Diolch I'r Ior.

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-It was Diolch I'r Ior.

-

-Yes, that's right.

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-Few know that Diolch I'r Ior

-was composed for a competition...

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-..by T Gwynn Jones

-for your mother to sing.

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-I've got the original copy

-of the song at home.

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-He wrote "To Sassie" on it.

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-They also recorded the song.

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-A lot of people

-have recorded that song.

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-The song was immortalised

-by Parti'r Ffynnon.

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-It's been so interesting

-to chat with you.

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-We'd be hear all night if we started

-talking about the Noson Lawen days!

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-Thank you both for being here.

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-Thanks to Olwen, Johnny,

-Deiniol and Kate...

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-..and to you for watching.

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-Join me, same time,

-same place, next week.

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-We'll close tonight's programme...

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-..with a little tribute

-to T Gwynn Jones.

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-This song was composed

-at the birth of his daughter.

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-The song is called Angharad.

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-# She roamed to China,

-Japan and to India

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-# Siam and Bermuda

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-# And the shores of Peru

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-# She bid farewell to Arfon

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-# To Maldwyn and Meirion

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-# And she sailed to all

-these remote places to live

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-# Angharad, my sweetheart

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-# When will you return?

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-# I'm waiting for you

-with my arms open wide

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-# Come quickly, my darling

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-# To your dear old country

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-# Come back

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-# Come back tonight #

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