Pennod 8 ‹ Margaret: Ddoe a Heddiw

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-Hello and good evening.	0:00:08	0:00:10
-Tonight, I look forward to chatting -with one of our Welsh icons...	0:00:10	0:00:16
-..who has been performing -for many years.	0:00:16	0:00:20
-I'll also chat -to a young 14-year-old girl...	0:00:20	0:00:25
-..who has already performed -a lot in her life.	0:00:25	0:00:28
-First, let's meet a man...	0:00:29	0:00:31
-..who is the conductor of not one -but three choirs.	0:00:32	0:00:35
-Here he comes. -It's Eilir Owen Griffiths.	0:00:36	0:00:39
-Eilir, you conduct three choirs.	0:00:43	0:00:46
-Which one came first?	0:00:47	0:00:49
-Which one came first? - -CF1 was my first choir.	0:00:49	0:00:51
-I moved to Cardiff...	0:00:51	0:00:54
-..to study composition at the Royal -Welsh College of Music and Drama.	0:00:54	0:00:59
-Former Aberystwyth students -came together to form a group...	0:00:59	0:01:05
-..and I was given the opportunity -to conduct the choir.	0:01:05	0:01:09
-I've been with them ever since.	0:01:10	0:01:12
-You sang at concerts, -the Eisteddfod and on television.	0:01:13	0:01:18
-We did all sorts of things.	0:01:18	0:01:21
-It was very exciting -at the start in 2003 and 2004...	0:01:21	0:01:26
-..and we had -a lot of opportunities.	0:01:26	0:01:28
-As we got older, we toured abroad.	0:01:28	0:01:31
-We've been to Ireland -and also sung in Italy.	0:01:31	0:01:37
-One specific tour stands out for me.	0:01:37	0:01:40
-I think the reason that CF1 -has survived for the last decade...	0:01:40	0:01:46
-..is thanks our trip to America.	0:01:46	0:01:49
-Where did you go?	0:01:49	0:01:51
-We were invited to Chicago for the -North American Festival of Wales.	0:01:51	0:01:57
-We made the most of it -and spent three days in New York...	0:01:57	0:02:01
-..before visiting Chicago.	0:02:02	0:02:03
-Between both destinations, -we stopped in Pennsylvania.	0:02:04	0:02:08
-The organiser of the festival -and our trip was Beth Landmesser.	0:02:09	0:02:14
-She arranged for us to stay in -the holiday homes of her friends...	0:02:14	0:02:19
-..around Indian Lake -near Wilkes Barre.	0:02:20	0:02:23
-She told us that she would feed us.	0:02:23	0:02:26
-In restaurants or cafes.	0:02:27	0:02:28
-In restaurants or cafes. - -No, in her home.	0:02:28	0:02:30
-Did she live in a palace?	0:02:30	0:02:32
-No, it was -an ordinary lakeside home.	0:02:32	0:02:36
-She prepared a pig roast for us.	0:02:36	0:02:39
-On the night we arrived, -she turned up with 22 pizza boxes.	0:02:39	0:02:45
-She treated us so well.	0:02:46	0:02:50
-Our three or four-day stay -made CF1 what it is today.	0:02:50	0:02:55
-It pulled us together at a time when -we didn't know where we were going.	0:02:56	0:03:00
-What about Godre'r Garth?	0:03:00	0:03:02
-Godre'r Garth choir -came off the back of CF1.	0:03:02	0:03:06
-A member of Godre'r Garth -was also in CF1.	0:03:06	0:03:09
-I was invited -to listen to the choir...	0:03:10	0:03:14
-..before I agreed -to be their conductor.	0:03:14	0:03:17
-This was in 2003.	0:03:17	0:03:19
-At that time, I was very young -and inexperienced.	0:03:19	0:03:23
-I heard the choir -and didn't think I could do it.	0:03:24	0:03:27
-I didn't feel capable of doing it, -so I phoned my mother.	0:03:27	0:03:33
-I told her that I'd seen -and heard the choir perform...	0:03:33	0:03:38
-..and I didn't feel qualified -to conduct them.	0:03:38	0:03:41
-Mam asked -what I normally did on a Sunday.	0:03:41	0:03:44
-I usually had a pint with friends.	0:03:44	0:03:46
-She told me -to forget about my pint...	0:03:47	0:03:49
-..and have a three-month trial with -Godre'r Garth to see how I felt.	0:03:50	0:03:55
-That's what I did...	0:03:56	0:03:58
-..and we competed and came second -at the National Eisteddfod.	0:03:58	0:04:02
-There is a true sense -of community within the choir.	0:04:02	0:04:07
-I was young but they accepted me...	0:04:07	0:04:10
-..and I grew with the choir.	0:04:11	0:04:13
-I've learnt more as -the conductor of Godre'r Garth...	0:04:14	0:04:18
-..than I have with any other choir.	0:04:18	0:04:20
-I've taken a year out -from conducting Godre'r Garth...	0:04:21	0:04:24
-..so that I can concentrate -on my young family.	0:04:24	0:04:28
-I'm also working with Llangollen.	0:04:28	0:04:31
-I'm taking this year out but will -return to Godre'r Garth in 2014.	0:04:32	0:04:36
-I'm glad to hear that.	0:04:37	0:04:38
-You appeared on my programme -with CF1 in 2005...	0:04:38	0:04:42
-..and with Godre'r Garth.	0:04:43	0:04:45
-Let's see if you remember -my performance with the choir.	0:04:45	0:04:50
-# May I return	0:04:52	0:04:54
-# May I return - -# May I return	0:04:54	0:04:55
-# To the beginning	0:04:56	0:04:57
-# To the beginning - -# Ah-ah-ah	0:04:57	0:04:59
-# The light is dimming	0:04:59	0:05:01
-# The light is dimming - -# Ah-ah	0:05:01	0:05:03
-# And the dream is too	0:05:03	0:05:06
-# The world and I	0:05:07	0:05:08
-# The world and I - -# The world and I	0:05:08	0:05:10
-# We are still waiting	0:05:10	0:05:13
-# We are still waiting - -# Ah-ah-ah	0:05:13	0:05:15
-# Still hesitating	0:05:15	0:05:16
-# Still hesitating - -# Ah-ah	0:05:16	0:05:18
-# Any dream will do	0:05:18	0:05:21
-# Give me my coloured coat	0:05:22	0:05:26
-# My amazing coloured coat	0:05:26	0:05:31
-# Give me my coloured coat	0:05:32	0:05:37
-# My ama-zing	0:05:37	0:05:40
-# Co-loured	0:05:40	0:05:43
-# Coat #	0:05:43	0:05:49
-Oh, that clip brings back -so many fond memories.	0:05:49	0:05:53
-It was lovely to see that.	0:05:53	0:05:56
-We all looked much younger!	0:05:56	0:05:59
-You also work in Trinity College.	0:06:00	0:06:02
-Yes, I was appointed -as a cultural organiser...	0:06:02	0:06:06
-..but I'm now a lecturer -in the School of Performing Arts.	0:06:07	0:06:10
-Conducting their choir -goes hand in hand with my work.	0:06:11	0:06:14
-There are very enthusiastic students -in Carmarthen.	0:06:14	0:06:19
-The choir is completely different -to the other two choirs.	0:06:19	0:06:23
-It's great to work -with such a young choir.	0:06:23	0:06:26
-You're quite a showman -when in front of the choirs.	0:06:27	0:06:31
-I think it's just a part of me.	0:06:31	0:06:33
-I like to get the same feeling -from my choirs.	0:06:33	0:06:37
-I like a choir with personality.	0:06:37	0:06:40
-I think a choir should have energy.	0:06:40	0:06:43
-I hope that I achieve this -with my choirs.	0:06:44	0:06:47
-My choirs aren't afraid to show -emotion and to enjoy themselves.	0:06:47	0:06:53
-I have matured but I still want -to capture that buzz from a choir.	0:06:54	0:06:59
-That buzz is vital to me.	0:07:00	0:07:02
-You mentioned -the Llangollen Eisteddfod earlier.	0:07:02	0:07:07
-I didn't compete at Llangollen -until I was over the age of 18.	0:07:08	0:07:14
-Next year marks 50 years since -I first competed at the Eisteddfod.	0:07:14	0:07:19
-You now have a very important role -with the Eisteddfod.	0:07:19	0:07:23
-I'm delighted to have been appointed -in this role at Llangollen.	0:07:24	0:07:27
-My vision for 2013 -is to produce a programme...	0:07:28	0:07:33
-..with plenty of variety that -remained true to the Eisteddfod.	0:07:34	0:07:40
-The concerts are very varied...	0:07:40	0:07:42
-..that include jazz and rhythm -and blues with Jools Holland.	0:07:43	0:07:46
-I've booked performers -from Strictly Come Dancing.	0:07:47	0:07:50
-They are not typically -on the line up.	0:07:50	0:07:53
-There's also a performance of -Verdi's Requiem on the Wednesday...	0:07:53	0:07:57
-..and we've booked -the percussionist, Evelyn Glennie.	0:07:57	0:08:01
-I've tried to find -the right balance.	0:08:01	0:08:03
-We're doing very well -at the box office...	0:08:04	0:08:06
-..so I hope it will be -a very successful Eisteddfod.	0:08:06	0:08:10
-Yes, I hope so too.	0:08:10	0:08:12
-Good luck to you, Eilir and -thank you for your company tonight.	0:08:12	0:08:17
-My second guest tonight -is a young girl from Cardiff.	0:08:23	0:08:28
-I'd like to welcome, Jodi Bird.	0:08:28	0:08:30
-Where was your -first performance, Jodi?	0:08:31	0:08:35
-My first singing role -was at the Millennium Centre...	0:08:35	0:08:39
-..in White Christmas.	0:08:39	0:08:41
-It's quite an achievement -to star in White Christmas!	0:08:41	0:08:45
-I know you sang at home but how -old were you when you got the role?	0:08:45	0:08:50
-I was ten years old.	0:08:51	0:08:53
-It was such an amazing experience.	0:08:54	0:08:56
-You had to go for auditions -at the theatre...	0:08:57	0:09:01
-..before performing -over the Christmas period.	0:09:01	0:09:05
-Who were your co-stars?	0:09:05	0:09:07
-It was a huge cast that included -Craig McLachlan and Lorna Luft.	0:09:08	0:09:13
-Lorna Luft has a famous mother.	0:09:13	0:09:16
-Lorna Luft has a famous mother. - -Yes, Judy Garland!	0:09:16	0:09:18
-It was a pleasure to work with her.	0:09:18	0:09:21
-I couldn't believe -I was working with Lorna Luft!	0:09:21	0:09:24
-Was she a nice person?	0:09:25	0:09:27
-Was she a nice person? - -Yes, she was lovely.	0:09:27	0:09:29
-She gave me some tips and -taught me how to breathe properly.	0:09:29	0:09:33
-She was so nice.	0:09:33	0:09:35
-You come from -a non-Welsh-speaking background.	0:09:35	0:09:39
-Neither Mam nor Dad -are able to speak Welsh.	0:09:39	0:09:43
-You do attend a Welsh school.	0:09:43	0:09:46
-Yes, it's -Ysgol Gymraeg Bro Morgannwg school.	0:09:46	0:09:49
-Do you sing at school?	0:09:49	0:09:51
-It's an excellent school -for that kind of thing.	0:09:51	0:09:54
-I've even had the chance -to sing my own compositions.	0:09:54	0:09:59
-It's been a pleasure to meet you. -I can't wait to hear you perform.	0:09:59	0:10:03
-Are you singing -your own composition?	0:10:03	0:10:06
-No, I'm singing Caeau Aur -or Fields of Gold by Sting.	0:10:07	0:10:10
-This is Jodi Bird.	0:10:10	0:10:13
-# Oooo	0:10:14	0:10:16
-# Oo-oo-oo-oo-oo	0:10:17	0:10:21
-# You'll remember me -when the west wind moves	0:10:24	0:10:31
-# Upon the fields of barley	0:10:32	0:10:36
-# You'll forget the sun -in his jealous sky	0:10:36	0:10:42
-# As we walk in fields of gold	0:10:42	0:10:47
-# So she took her love -for to gaze awhile	0:10:47	0:10:54
-# Upon the fields of barley	0:10:55	0:10:59
-# In his arms she fell -as her hair came down	0:10:59	0:11:05
-# Among the fields of gold	0:11:05	0:11:09
-# Will you stay with me, -will you be my love?	0:11:10	0:11:17
-# Among the fields of barley	0:11:17	0:11:21
-# We'll forget the sun -in his jealous sky	0:11:21	0:11:27
-# As we lie in fields of gold	0:11:27	0:11:32
-# I never made promises lightly	0:11:34	0:11:39
-# And there have been -some that I've broken	0:11:39	0:11:44
-# But I swear in the days still left	0:11:44	0:11:49
-# We'll walk in fields of gold	0:11:49	0:11:53
-# We'll walk in fields of gold	0:11:53	0:11:59
-# Oooo	0:12:01	0:12:03
-# Oo-oo-oo-oo-oo	0:12:04	0:12:09
-# Many years have passed -since those summer days	0:12:11	0:12:17
-# Among the fields of barley	0:12:18	0:12:22
-# See the children run -as the sun goes down	0:12:22	0:12:28
-# Among the fields of gold	0:12:28	0:12:33
-# You'll remember me -when the west wind moves	0:12:34	0:12:40
-# Upon the fields of barley	0:12:41	0:12:44
-# You can tell the sun -in his jealous sky	0:12:45	0:12:50
-# When we walked in fields of gold	0:12:51	0:12:56
-# When we walked in fields of gold	0:12:57	0:13:01
-# When we walked in fields of gold	0:13:01	0:13:09
-# Oooo	0:13:10	0:13:12
-# Oo-oo-oo-oo-oo #	0:13:13	0:13:19
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-My next guest needs no introductions -other than his name.	0:13:31	0:13:36
-It's Dafydd Iwan.	0:13:36	0:13:38
-Welcome to you, Dafydd.	0:13:38	0:13:40
-Welcome to you, Dafydd. - -Thank you, Margaret.	0:13:40	0:13:41
-I mentioned earlier -that you are a Welsh icon.	0:13:41	0:13:46
-Are you aware of this fact?	0:13:46	0:13:48
-Are you aware of this fact? - -What is an icon?	0:13:48	0:13:50
-I've been in the spotlight for over -50 years and you get used to it.	0:13:50	0:13:56
-However, I've mixed entertainment -with politics and business...	0:13:56	0:14:02
-..so I've been in the spotlight -for different reasons.	0:14:03	0:14:06
-My feet are firmly planted -on the ground...	0:14:07	0:14:10
-..because I've had -to go to work every day!	0:14:10	0:14:13
-You're more than an entertainer.	0:14:14	0:14:16
-I've never really -thought of myself...	0:14:16	0:14:20
-..as being solely an entertainer...	0:14:20	0:14:24
-..but it has always played -a big part in my life.	0:14:25	0:14:28
-I think of music -as some sort of hobby...	0:14:28	0:14:32
-..that helps me relax -and escape the worries of life.	0:14:33	0:14:37
-There's a more serious side -because I sing about what I believe.	0:14:38	0:14:42
-What do you consider -your main occupation?	0:14:42	0:14:45
-I did a degree in architecture.	0:14:45	0:14:49
-I was working in an office -and got called to one side...	0:14:49	0:14:53
-..because I was always away -from work for a protest, a rally...	0:14:53	0:14:57
-..or a concert or to make a record.	0:14:57	0:14:59
-I was told -that I needed to decide...	0:15:00	0:15:03
-..if being an architect -was what I wanted.	0:15:03	0:15:06
-I realised that -I could never be an architect...	0:15:06	0:15:10
-..and I think -it's worked out quite well.	0:15:10	0:15:13
-You're here to talk about -your singing career.	0:15:13	0:15:17
-You were one of the first -to compose Welsh protest songs.	0:15:17	0:15:23
-It was an important time -in terms of protests...	0:15:24	0:15:28
-..and politics amongst young people.	0:15:28	0:15:30
-They thought -they could change the world.	0:15:31	0:15:33
-This was in the English world.	0:15:34	0:15:36
-In America, it formed part -of the racial rights campaign.	0:15:36	0:15:39
-People opposed apartheid in -South Africa and the Vietnam War.	0:15:40	0:15:43
-When I started composing songs...	0:15:44	0:15:47
-..I found that I fitted perfectly -with this mood.	0:15:47	0:15:53
-They wanted to change the world -but I wanted to change Wales.	0:15:53	0:15:57
-You composed many protest songs...	0:15:58	0:16:02
-..and many religious songs too.	0:16:02	0:16:05
-There is a religious element.	0:16:05	0:16:07
-I recently tried to improve -the Welsh translation of songs...	0:16:08	0:16:14
-..that appear in subtitles.	0:16:14	0:16:16
-I wondered if I could -produce English translations...	0:16:17	0:16:21
-..that were not only singable -but had a rhyme and rhythm.	0:16:22	0:16:26
-I managed to do this -with most songs.	0:16:26	0:16:30
-When translating, you have to get -to the heart of the song.	0:16:30	0:16:35
-I noticed -that a lot of these songs...	0:16:35	0:16:38
-..had a hidden religious -or spiritual meaning...	0:16:38	0:16:44
-..such as Dim Ond Un Gan Sydd Ar Ol, -Ai Am Fod Haul Yn Machlud...	0:16:44	0:16:48
-..and -Mae'r Darnau Yn Disgyn I'w Lle.	0:16:48	0:16:51
-You have so many songs.	0:16:51	0:16:53
-I'd like to show one of the songs -you performed on my programme.	0:16:53	0:16:57
-It wasn't in the 1960s but in 1986. -Let's take a look at it.	0:16:57	0:17:02
-# I've heard people speak -about mountains of butter	0:17:03	0:17:07
-# And I've heard people -speak about lakes of milk	0:17:08	0:17:13
-# But I know that all of you -who are Christians	0:17:13	0:17:18
-# Would not condone the waste -of food and nourishment	0:17:19	0:17:24
-# But I was born -the son of my parents	0:17:24	0:17:29
-# And I heard people say -that we're all children of God	0:17:30	0:17:35
-# I'm your brother -and you're like a brother to me	0:17:35	0:17:41
-# So why am I denied?	0:17:41	0:17:44
-# Why am I denied?	0:17:44	0:17:47
-# Why am I denied -the right to live? #	0:17:47	0:17:56
-APPLAUSE	0:17:58	0:17:59
-That's a wonderful song.	0:17:59	0:18:03
-I'm fond of that song but the -inspiration behind it is very sad.	0:18:03	0:18:09
-It's about the famine in Ethiopia -during the 1980s.	0:18:09	0:18:13
-I'd only just written it -when I performed it.	0:18:13	0:18:16
-The sad thing about that song is -that it relates to other events...	0:18:17	0:18:21
-..in different countries -over a number of years...	0:18:22	0:18:25
-..but I still sing it.	0:18:26	0:18:27
-It's one of those songs -where people join in...	0:18:27	0:18:31
-..especially young people.	0:18:31	0:18:33
-I actually performed that song -last Saturday night.	0:18:33	0:18:37
-A group of young people were in the -front row singing along in harmony.	0:18:37	0:18:43
-It must be thrilling for you.	0:18:43	0:18:45
-Yes, and it's even better -when they have good singing voices.	0:18:45	0:18:49
-It's rare to find a group who can -sing in harmony anywhere else.	0:18:50	0:18:56
-I thank the Lord that this is still -a strong part of our culture...	0:18:56	0:19:01
-..because a lot of young people -belong to choirs.	0:19:01	0:19:04
-It's part of our make-up.	0:19:05	0:19:06
-It's part of our make-up. - -Yes, and we should be proud of it.	0:19:06	0:19:08
-Wales is the Land of Song...	0:19:09	0:19:11
-..but you still need discipline -and musical training.	0:19:11	0:19:15
-When you hear a crowd breaking -into song and sing in harmony...	0:19:16	0:19:21
-..it adds something -to the atmosphere.	0:19:21	0:19:25
-In the 1980s, -you did talk about retiring.	0:19:25	0:19:30
-Who, me?!	0:19:30	0:19:32
-Who, me?! - -Yes, you did.	0:19:32	0:19:33
-I've never mentioned retirement!	0:19:34	0:19:36
-Take a look at this.	0:19:36	0:19:38
-Last time you were here, you said -it was your final performance.	0:19:38	0:19:42
-Did I say that?	0:19:42	0:19:43
-Did I say that? - -Yes, you did.	0:19:43	0:19:45
-It's possible -that I gave a suggestion...	0:19:45	0:19:48
-..that I would consider retiring -from singing in the future.	0:19:48	0:19:52
-I have tried and failed -so why should I retire?	0:19:52	0:19:56
-A lot of people would be upset -if you retired.	0:19:57	0:20:00
-I'll sing whilst there are songs -to be sung and someone listening!	0:20:00	0:20:05
-It's in your blood.	0:20:05	0:20:07
-It's in your blood. - -Yes, I'm afraid so.	0:20:07	0:20:09
-That was a while ago -but you're still here!	0:20:09	0:20:12
-That clip was from 1986.	0:20:13	0:20:15
-At that time, I felt as if -things were coming to an end.	0:20:15	0:20:19
-You get moments in your career -when you struggle to write songs...	0:20:19	0:20:23
-..concerts don't go well, you're -fed up and want to do other things.	0:20:23	0:20:29
-Things had changed in my personal -and political lives.	0:20:30	0:20:35
-The 1980s were far from brilliant.	0:20:35	0:20:38
-We weren't aware of that.	0:20:38	0:20:40
-Between everything, I felt as if -I'd lost the wind from my sails...	0:20:40	0:20:44
-..and I was ready -to hang up my guitar...	0:20:45	0:20:48
-..and find a new direction in life.	0:20:48	0:20:51
-Someone had the idea of having -a concert at the Corwen Pavilion...	0:20:52	0:20:57
-..to celebrate 25 years of -Dafydd Iwan with some friends.	0:20:57	0:21:02
-We formed a band for the event...	0:21:02	0:21:06
-..and it gave me -a new lease of life.	0:21:07	0:21:10
-We decided to keep the band together -and start again.	0:21:11	0:21:17
-It was the start of a new chapter -in my career...	0:21:17	0:21:21
-..and it lasted -until the end of the century.	0:21:21	0:21:25
-Once again, I felt as if -everything was coming to an end...	0:21:25	0:21:29
-..and to a degree it did all end -with the end of the century.	0:21:30	0:21:33
-Did you stop singing?	0:21:34	0:21:35
-The band and I broke up -after releasing two albums.	0:21:35	0:21:39
-We were back together again by -the time the second album came out!	0:21:39	0:21:43
-You're just like Hogia'r Wyddfa -and Frank Sinatra!	0:21:43	0:21:47
-Thank you so much -for joining me, Dafydd.	0:21:47	0:21:50
-Thank you for singing with me -on my programmes...	0:21:50	0:21:54
-..in 1983 and in 1986.	0:21:54	0:21:57
-I was delighted to have done so.	0:21:57	0:22:00
-We'll close with a clip.	0:22:00	0:22:01
-It's another one of our highlights.	0:22:02	0:22:04
-It's another one of our highlights. - -Yes, that's right. Well done.	0:22:04	0:22:07
-Thank you, Dafydd.	0:22:07	0:22:09
-Thank you, Dafydd. - -You're welcome, Margaret.	0:22:09	0:22:10
-I'd also like to thank Eilir, Jodi -and you for watching.	0:22:11	0:22:16
-It's the end of the programme -and the entire series.	0:22:17	0:22:22
-There's no better way to end -than with a song from Dafydd Iwan.	0:22:22	0:22:26
-This is Weithiau Bydd y Fflam.	0:22:26	0:22:29
-# Sometimes, -I reminisce about a distant time	0:22:30	0:22:36
-# And I long for the days -that will never return	0:22:37	0:22:44
-# When our language was purer	0:22:44	0:22:48
-# And when Wales was a better place	0:22:48	0:22:51
-# But I know -that my longing is in vain	0:22:51	0:22:58
-# The cold winter -closes around me tonight	0:22:58	0:23:06
-# The wind causes the white snow -to drift	0:23:06	0:23:12
-# But the sunshine -will return again tomorrow	0:23:12	0:23:17
-# To thaw the coldness	0:23:17	0:23:20
-# And I'll see the green grass -of my land once again	0:23:21	0:23:27
-# And I'll see the green grass -of my land once again #	0:23:28	0:23:36
-APPLAUSE	0:23:39	0:23:40
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