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The late 20th century gave us many great life enhancing advances

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and inventions, like the computer, foreign travel for the masses,

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and the girl group.

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This programme contains some strong language.

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Synchronised sisters with a sweet crazy dream,

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a dream of singing songs about love and sisterhood,

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moving as one in perfect precision and touching

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the hearts of girls just like themselves across the planet.

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# Goddess on the mountain top... #

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Girl groups have that special power, that force of nature,

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when they come together.

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There's just a mass of female energy.

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There's something really empowering about that.

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# ..She's got it... #

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It is that group of people

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up there, giving you a full-on dance routine,

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a full-on sparkly extravaganza.

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# ..I'm your fire... #

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I love 'em.

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I've loved them since I was eight, and I love them to this day,

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because they can deliver songs in a tender and emotional way

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that no boys can.

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# So won't you please

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# Be my, be my baby

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# Be my little baby... #

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So are girl group sisters doing it for themselves?

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When you walk out on the stage and there is an eruption from girls

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and guys, it's just, this is what it's all about.

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Or is nothing ever that perfect?

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I think if anybody tells you there was no rivalry,

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there was no jealousy, bitchiness, it's a lie.

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# Talk about pop musik

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# Talk about pop musik

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# Shoobie, doobie, do wop

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# It's all around you

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# Pop, pop, shoo wop

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# Gonna surround you

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# Shoobie, doobie do wop

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# It's all around you

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-# Pop, pop, shoo wop

-Hit it

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# New York, London, Paris, Munich

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# Everybody talk about pop musik

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# Talk about pop musik... #

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This is the story of girls who dare to dream.

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Once upon a time, young girls whiled away the hours

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daydreaming about the fantasy life of a fairytale princess.

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Oh, to be whisked off their feet by Prince Charming,

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to live in his castle, make beautiful babies,

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and live happily ever after.

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And then, along came rock 'n' roll, the invention of the teenager,

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and the pop princess was born.

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# All the women, independent

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# Throw your hands up at me... #

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This new dream was of singing songs about what it's like to be a girl,

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to adoring audiences of girls just like them.

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I think, it's like, you start off as, when you're really young,

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you want to be a princess.

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-Yeah.

-And then princess morphs into...

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-Supermodel.

-Yeah, into pop star.

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You get over supermodel, and then you realise, yeah, a pop star.

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For some reason, I had it in my head from a really early age that

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I really, really wanted to be famous,

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and especially be

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in a girl band and sing.

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I was always in the mirror

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with a hairbrush,

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or always singing,

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dancing, making up routines

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with school friends, definitely it's a girl thing.

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I would sing to every advert.

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Anything on TV,

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I'd be singing, riffing.

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My mum would be like,

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"Please, Jade, please,

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"can we just watch something

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"without you singing over it?"

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I was like,

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"One day, I'm going to be famous, wait, it'll be worth it."

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# Remember my name

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# Fame, I'm going to live forever

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# Baby, remember my name... #

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The dream is burning bright.

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What's needed next is someone to share it with.

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Maybe a sister or two.

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We loved singing, and when we were really young,

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we always pretended like

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we were a girls group,

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so we sang and we danced,

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and we actually put on shows

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for the family.

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Back in the day,

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the neighbourhood could be the place

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to find fellow dreamers.

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You really start in the group

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without even knowing it.

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And that's, and being in Brooklyn,

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I come from Brooklyn, and that's

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from walking around the streets

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in Brooklyn singing,

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sitting on the stoops,

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and then we'd hear all the music on the radio,

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and then we'd just sing all the doo-wop songs,

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and all the harmonies, singing as a group.

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And many a girl group is born in the playground.

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# My boy lollipop Bum bum bum bum... #

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When I was ten years old, I met Mutya,

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and I remember we just

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would sing with each other

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all the time in school.

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And we used to get girls to, kind of, do, like, backing dancing

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while we took the leads on songs, and our voices just blended

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so well together.

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It was so weird.

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It was like we had different tones, but sounded

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almost like the same person.

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And then, for a lucky few, something magical happens.

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What started out as a bit of fun with friends has unlocked

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something rare and precious.

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When you have girls in the group, and everybody has beautiful harmony,

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beautiful sounding voices,

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you know, you hear those notes come out of these voices,

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this voice box, but they are all different.

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You know, it's amazing. It's beauty. It's so beautiful.

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# So, raise your hand

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# One fist in the air

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# For freedom dom dom dom dom

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# For being alive

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# Not having a care

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# For freedom dom dom dom dom... #

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You know what's really scary?

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We actually sometimes had a fifth tone.

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There'd be four people singing four different notes

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and we'll hear this fifth tone, like, that's a third above,

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it's like some kind of harmonic that comes from our vibrations.

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It's the angel.

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It's the angel!

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-She says it's an angel.

-It's God's gift.

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Suddenly, that dream of a singing sisterhood

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feels a little closer to reality.

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The unique feminine force of the girl group has been unleashed,

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revealing an ultimate truth,

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that sometimes in pop, three or more girls are better than one.

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# Baby love, my baby love

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# I need you, oh, how I need you

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# But all you do is treat me bad

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# Break my heart and leave me sad... #

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We immediately knew that we had hit upon something very special,

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OK, it was just,

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we were looking at each other as if, my God,

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this is pure magic.

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It just felt just so perfect.

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# ..Instead of breaking up

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# Let's do some kissing and making up... #

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Now, that's when the idea came to us that maybe we could do something big.

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# ..Need to hold you

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# Once again, my love... #

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The Supremes' dreams of making it big seemed to be hanging by a thread

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when they failed their audition at Berry Gordy's Motown Records.

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But these young wannabes from the Projects

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weren't taking no for an answer.

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We, The Supremes

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actually made our point to come down to Motown

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every day after high school.

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We would see The Miracles come in and we'd say, "Hey, how you doing?"

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We'd see Mary Wells. "Hey, Mary, how you doing?"

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And one day, one of the producers came out and said,

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"The thing is, and I hear the background singers

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"and I hear the handclappers, we need..."

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We said, "We'll do it! We'll do it!"

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So, you know, we made ourselves likeable to everyone,

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and then after a little while, Mr Berry Gordy,

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he was like, "You girls really are serious, I think I'll sign you."

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# Set me free, why don't you, babe?

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# Get out my life Why don't you, babe?

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# Cos you don't really love me

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# You just keep me hanging on... #

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The Supremes had the talent and steely determination to back it up.

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But sometimes, the big break can come by simply being in

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the right place at the right time.

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'This is Warrington!'

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I was in a nightclub in Warrington, Mr Smiths.

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I was 17 and a guy actually approached me with a letter saying,

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"I'm in The Porn Kings,

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"we're looking for dancers."

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And my forte was dancing.

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Gets home to me mum, pissed as a fart.

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Says to me mum, "Mum, this guy wants me to be in The Porn Kings."

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Me mum says, "You're not going to be in no bleedin' bluey!"

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Thinking it was like a porn movie.

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And that, and that's how it started.

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And then he kept saying, you know,

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"You're too good to be just a backing dancer.

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"There's a friend of mine starting a girl band.

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"I think you should go for an audition."

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I thought, why not? Give it a go, might as well go ahead with it.

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Threw me Page Three photographs down, told dirty jokes,

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sparks a cigarette up, sang a few songs

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and went, "You're in the band!"

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# So come on, baby Do it to me good now

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# Do it to me slowly

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# Huh, yeah

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# Be the one and only... #

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Whether it's by diehard determination

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or barefaced cheek,

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what hasn't changed in 50 years is that to make the leap

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from dreamer to diva, a girl needs to impress whoever's in charge.

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And more often than not, the gatekeeper to the music biz...

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..is a man.

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It's not easy to be in a girl group

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in the first place.

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It's not easy to be a girl

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in the music business.

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It's kind of a boys' club

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in many aspects.

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First, they see you as eye candy, or just young girls,

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before they see the person,

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the businesswoman, the artist

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and you really have to fight

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through the crap to be respected.

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I probably would've crumbled under all of that if it'd been me

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on my own, dealing with such a male industry by myself,

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but I think with the girls, it was a lot easier.

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There wasn't just one voice that people were dealing with,

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there was four.

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This is the point when female dreams and togetherness

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collide with male logic and the need for control,

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or in the case of '60s

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super producer Phil Spector,

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complete, total and absolute control.

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I was 13, Didi was 16, so these are teenagers,

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so I think that he knew exactly what he was doing.

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When you're young, you can be controlled.

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I shouldn't say this, but I also think probably

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he wants somebody young, young girls that were stupid.

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I don't think he would have gotten Barbra Streisand,

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you know what I'm saying?

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If she was in her 20s, because she would have known too much.

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Following in that tradition, Svengali Richard Barrett

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bossed the career of The Three Degrees for 20 years.

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He was pretty much a tyrant

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when it came to the three of us.

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We knew it was either his way or the highway.

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He would always tell you,

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"I have a coin, here,

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"and I can replace you

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"at the drop of a hat.

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"So, do what I say do, the way that I say do it, and we'll be fine."

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# Got myself a crying, talking

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# Sleeping, walking, living doll... #

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Once they've signed on the dotted line,

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generations of fledgling girl groups have found themselves

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thrust into a secret process of moulding and grooming

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to transform their raw talent and ambition into a slick,

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chart-ready, pop proposition.

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# ..Got the one and only walking, talking, living doll... #

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Take Berry Gordy's Motown production line,

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where nothing was left to chance.

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# Nowhere to run to, baby

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# Nowhere to hide... #

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We had people training us the Motown way, and it was like a school.

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There was Maurice King, teaching us the music theory.

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There was Charlie Atkins,

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who had been with Cholly Atkins, of vaudeville.

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He taught us the proper way to dance, show business dance,

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and Professor Maxine Powell told us,

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"You are like flowers..."

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I'm imitating her now, but lovingly,

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"..and you all have your own particular beauty."

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I remember one time, she said to us,

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"You are diamonds in the rough,

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"and we are just here to polish you."

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Well, that would make you feel real good, right?

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More than anywhere else in pop, a girl group will find themselves

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judged on their looks, as well as their hooks.

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There are really very few women who can't look attractive

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when they're properly made up.

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If you're a girl group then, you know,

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instantly, people are going to think,

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"Oh, something to look at."

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You know, you're a product.

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We all are, if we are going to put ourselves out there.

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# One, two, three, four

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# Everything he does, better than

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# Anything ordinary... #

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I don't think I want to see five scruffy girls

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standing on a stage, which haven't

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had their hair and make-up done

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and their nails, and don't look

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like they're bothered.

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I want them to be glamorous.

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# You're gonna make me Make me love you

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# Nothing at all, nothing that I do

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# Promise I made, promise I made

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# Started to fade Started to fade, fade... #

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The image that you have, the image that you choose,

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or the image that you are, is, can make or break you.

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The first rule of the girl group look

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is for the visuals to have the same impact

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as the supercharged multiple voices.

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And since the invention of the girl group as we know it

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in the late 50s, three of a kind

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has been a winning formula.

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# I met him on a Monday and my heart stood still

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# Da do ron-ron-ron Da do ron-ron... #

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These early incarnations were a celebration of sisterhood

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and conformity.

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Girl groups then were like the Mad Men typing pool

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bursting into song.

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Everybody was following everyone.

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The Shirelles, The Chantels, you know,

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Martha Reeves And The Vandellas...

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I would see Martha with a blue pair of shoes

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that matched her dress.

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She would see us with the same thing.

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Because everybody followed that pattern

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of just looking like you're

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graduating from high school, with the frilly dresses on,

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a little bow, you know, everybody swaying the same way,

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the hands moving the same way, the heads are going to the side.

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That was what people wanted.

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Highly groomed girls with a synchronised look

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became the girl group template.

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And the well-drilled matching frock format

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got a flick-haired '70s spin from these wholesome Irish sisters.

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# Hey! Hang on just a little longer... #

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The Nolan sisters, sugar and spice, and all things nice.

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We were given an image, manipulated into having an image

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of being sweet, glorious, lovely sisters,

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and we were nice girls, don't get me wrong, but nobody is that sweet.

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# Yeah

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# We're on a one-way ticket to anywhere

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# There's no place we can go... #

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But the truth was that off-duty life in The Nolans

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was like a big night out with the girls, every night of the week.

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You're drinking till seven in the morning, then on the bus at nine,

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but what I did... Dark glasses,

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then stay at the back of the bus,

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-and they used to say...

-"Leave her."

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"Don't ask Bernie anything."

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"Leave her till about one o'clock."

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You know, our crew were devastated that Bernie could drink them

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under the table, really. And it just didn't go down well with our image.

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Even if their on-tour exploits got a little airbrushing,

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The Nolans played up their family values

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and flew the flag for the good girl end of the pop spectrum.

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# He met Marmalade down in old New Orleans

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# Struttin' her stuff on the street

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# She said, "Hello, hey, Joe

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# You wanna give it a go...?" #

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Others, like '70s soul sisters Labelle, took a fiercer,

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more sexually charged stance.

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# ..Creole Lady Marmalade

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# Voulez-vous coucher avec moi, ce soir?

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# Voulez-vous coucher avec moi...? #

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These days, though, when it comes to sexual expression,

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girl groups often take a more direct approach.

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But if they are largely aimed at teenage girls,

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who is all the bare flesh for?

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There is this element of,

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if you are female

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in the performing arts,

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you have two project some level of allure, sexiness.

0:17:100:17:14

# Better move, cos we've arrived

0:17:160:17:18

# Lookin' sexy, lookin' fly... #

0:17:180:17:22

The dads want to leer at them.

0:17:220:17:23

The older brothers want to kind of go, oh...

0:17:230:17:26

So, the girl group exists for everyone, from kids to grandfathers.

0:17:260:17:30

# ..I don't think you're ready for this jelly

0:17:300:17:32

# I don't think you're ready for this

0:17:320:17:34

# Cos my body too bootylicious for ya, babe... #

0:17:340:17:36

While some men might join the party, lured in by looks

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as much as the music,

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a girl group must never lose sight of the fact

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that their most devoted fans have always been teenage girls.

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There's a really fine line with a girl band

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and how they present themselves, because

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they have to be quite careful not to position themselves

0:17:520:17:54

as being the sort of girl

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that other girls don't like,

0:17:550:17:56

the sort of girl who might come along

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and nick your boyfriend when you're 14. I mean,

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that's the worst thing that can happen when you're 14.

0:18:000:18:03

# Are we about to get just a lil' hot and sweaty in this?

0:18:030:18:05

# Ooh, baby... #

0:18:050:18:07

A group who threatened to trample all over that fine line

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was the Pussycat Dolls.

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Their racy reputation gained as burlesque dancers

0:18:120:18:14

put them in need of a makeover if they were to convince

0:18:140:18:17

teenage female pop fans that they weren't really

0:18:170:18:21

a ruthless band of boyfriend stealers.

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Originally, it came from a more theatrical,

0:18:220:18:25

cabaret place,

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and that was the image,

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and then we kind of made it

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a little bit more street,

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and a little bit more current, so kids could wear

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some of our stuff as well.

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It went from corsets and gloves and boas and all this stuff

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to, all of a sudden,

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we are these urban street chicks, and it was like,

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I had a mohawk, Ashley had a braid,

0:18:420:18:46

Jessica, poor thing,

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the most feminine girl ever,

0:18:480:18:50

and she had like a hoodie and all these pins in her hair.

0:18:500:18:54

And it was trying to find her inner ghetto goddess, I guess.

0:18:540:18:57

# Don't you wish your girlfriend was hot like me?

0:18:570:19:02

# Don't you wish your girlfriend was a freak like me?

0:19:020:19:06

# Don't you? #

0:19:060:19:07

A timely rethink on the image front

0:19:070:19:09

with Moulin Rouge style titillation out

0:19:090:19:12

and Lara Croft-esque empowerment in

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was the Pussycat Dolls' attempt not to burn the bridges

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to their core audience.

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But there is another more powerful way

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for a girl group to win the hearts and minds of young female fans.

0:19:210:19:25

# A few questions that I need to know

0:19:280:19:32

# How you could ever hurt me so

0:19:320:19:34

# I need to know what I've done wrong

0:19:340:19:37

# And how long it's been going on

0:19:390:19:41

# My head's spinning

0:19:420:19:45

# Boy I'm in a daze

0:19:450:19:49

# I feel isolated

0:19:490:19:53

# Don't want to communicate... #

0:19:530:19:55

The reason girl groups exist is because

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teenage girls like to feel that

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the girl groups are reflecting their reality,

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singing about their experiences of lost love

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and unrequited love,

0:20:050:20:07

that's all you really want a girl group to do.

0:20:070:20:10

# ..Never ever have I ever felt so low

0:20:100:20:14

# When are you going to take me out of this black hole?

0:20:140:20:17

# Never ever have I ever felt so sad... #

0:20:170:20:21

It's also about presenting something aspirational to girls,

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as well, so you're not necessarily talking

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to them explicitly about what's going on in their life right now,

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but you're painting a dreamscape of what their lives might be like.

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So you're offering that up to them.

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Here's where you are, and maybe your life's not so great

0:20:360:20:39

because you're a teenager and it's all a bit difficult,

0:20:390:20:41

but look at this magnificence that could be yours.

0:20:410:20:43

# I need some love like I never needed love before

0:20:430:20:48

# I want to make love to ya, baby

0:20:480:20:51

# I had a little love Now I'm back for more

0:20:510:20:55

# I want to make love to ya, baby... #

0:20:550:20:57

Love in all its forms, endless, hopeless, and unrequited,

0:20:570:21:00

is guaranteed to chime with the teenage heart.

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But what other magnificent emotions and obsessions hit the spot?

0:21:020:21:06

# Yeah, I'm in the mood for dancing

0:21:060:21:11

# Romancing Ooh, I'm giving it all tonight... #

0:21:110:21:17

There's the blissful sugar rush

0:21:170:21:18

of that storming the dancefloor with your mates moment.

0:21:180:21:21

# We are family

0:21:210:21:25

# I've got all my sisters with me

0:21:250:21:29

# We are family... #

0:21:290:21:32

And the joy of being together with your sisters

0:21:320:21:35

is a heady musical message.

0:21:350:21:37

Girl groups are all about girl talk.

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Their songs like musical extracts from a teenage girl's diary.

0:21:420:21:45

But it's also the case that many of the greatest

0:21:450:21:48

have actually been written by - whisper it - men.

0:21:480:21:51

'The first all-important decisions are made at the meeting,

0:21:520:21:57

'what tempo, what key, what sort of accompaniment.'

0:21:570:22:00

So, how do the backroom boys of the music biz tap into

0:22:020:22:05

the well of female emotion that overflows in a girl group classic?

0:22:050:22:09

You've got to understand the people in the band.

0:22:090:22:11

You've got to understand

0:22:110:22:13

what their philosophy is,

0:22:130:22:15

how they perform,

0:22:150:22:17

because you've got to write - a male, usually - for the female.

0:22:170:22:22

The name on many of the biggest girl group hits in recent years is

0:22:240:22:28

Xenomania, a crack team of Kent-based songsmiths,

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led by a man called Brian,

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with a knack for turning the everyday lives

0:22:330:22:35

of their girl group subjects into songs.

0:22:350:22:39

Xenomania were fantastic with us because Brian Higgins

0:22:390:22:42

would regularly sit down and be like,

0:22:420:22:44

"All right, mate, let's have a chat."

0:22:440:22:47

And we would sit down

0:22:470:22:48

and he would try and find out,

0:22:480:22:49

what was your day like, or what's happening with your boyfriend,

0:22:490:22:53

or what's happening here? And he would gather all this information

0:22:530:22:56

about all five of us and then they could go off and write songs.

0:22:560:23:01

# Nobody's perfect

0:23:010:23:03

# We've all gotta work it

0:23:030:23:05

# But, fellas, we're worth it

0:23:050:23:07

# So don't break the law... #

0:23:070:23:08

We actually never knew what the songs were going to sound like

0:23:080:23:13

until we got them at the very, very end.

0:23:130:23:16

I don't know how they done it.

0:23:160:23:17

# I'm just a love machine Feeding my fantasy

0:23:170:23:21

# Give me a kiss or three

0:23:210:23:24

# And I'm fine

0:23:240:23:25

# I need a squeeze a day... #

0:23:250:23:28

It's an age-old story,

0:23:280:23:29

the girl group singer putting her faith

0:23:290:23:32

in the musical maestro at the controls.

0:23:320:23:35

But can he be trusted?

0:23:360:23:39

When laying down her vocal for The Bangles' hit Eternal Flame,

0:23:470:23:51

Susanna Hoffs was introduced to her producer Davitt Sigerson's

0:23:510:23:55

idiosyncratic Olivia Newton-John studio method.

0:23:550:23:58

Davitt was doing this whole thing,

0:23:580:24:00

and it was really kind of sweet.

0:24:000:24:01

It was very artist friendly. He was

0:24:010:24:03

a very artist friendly producer,

0:24:030:24:04

and he was saying,

0:24:040:24:06

"On the nights that you sing, I want to have your favourite drinks."

0:24:060:24:10

It was really cute, if she said, I like this wine,

0:24:100:24:13

he'd have it there waiting.

0:24:130:24:14

Everybody had their stuff.

0:24:140:24:16

So he had told me this story that he'd just finished working

0:24:160:24:19

with Olivia and that she got her best vocal takes when she sang naked,

0:24:190:24:22

because that was just so freeing and so vulnerable,

0:24:220:24:26

and so free at the same time. And I'm thinking,

0:24:260:24:29

"Wow, that sounds really cool, I want to try that."

0:24:290:24:31

And sure enough, pretty soon, I'm coming into the studio going,

0:24:310:24:35

"OK, here goes." And I had my drink of choice, and then they would say,

0:24:350:24:40

"OK, time to sing it."

0:24:400:24:42

They would listen for the sound of the clothes dropping.

0:24:420:24:44

# Close your eyes

0:24:460:24:48

# Give me your hand, darling... #

0:24:480:24:50

You have to know something about our Susanna,

0:24:500:24:52

-as lovely as she is, she's very gullible.

-Yes.

0:24:520:24:55

-Of course, they...

-Made it up.

0:24:550:24:58

They made it up.

0:24:580:25:00

Davitt made that up and I fell for it.

0:25:000:25:02

# ..An eternal flame... #

0:25:030:25:08

Anyway, it's true, I did. Whatever, it happened.

0:25:080:25:11

Not all girls are quite so eager to please.

0:25:150:25:19

Bananarama had a revolutionary take on the girl group.

0:25:190:25:23

No towing the line, no dressing to please men,

0:25:230:25:27

no party invitation declined.

0:25:270:25:29

For the first three or four years,

0:25:290:25:30

it was just a complete laugh a minute, you know.

0:25:300:25:33

We kind of saw it as taking the piss

0:25:330:25:37

out of the music business, but it worked.

0:25:370:25:40

So, we ran with it.

0:25:400:25:41

I remember once, in somewhere like Pebble Mill,

0:25:450:25:47

and it was, like, moments before we were due live on-air,

0:25:470:25:52

and we found a big laundry basket

0:25:520:25:54

in the corridor of the TV studio,

0:25:540:25:56

and we hid in the laundry basket.

0:25:560:25:58

'Bananarama to stage, please.'

0:25:580:26:00

The runner came with his little headset

0:26:000:26:02

and he couldn't find us anywhere,

0:26:020:26:05

and was sat on top of the laundry basket,

0:26:050:26:07

and we were in the laundry basket, like, pissing ourselves laughing,

0:26:070:26:12

listening to their worried conversation.

0:26:120:26:14

Just stupid, we were like 14-year-old girls,

0:26:140:26:17

and we were able to stay being like 14-year-old girls

0:26:170:26:19

for years, you know?

0:26:190:26:20

By the time they came to record their fourth album,

0:26:240:26:28

Bananarama were big stars.

0:26:280:26:30

Welcome to the Hit Factory in London.

0:26:300:26:32

So when their DIY punk ethos collided with

0:26:320:26:35

the blokey bullishness of producer Pete Waterman, sparks flew.

0:26:350:26:39

Anybody who ever said to me that it's easy working with women

0:26:400:26:43

should have worked with Bananarama.

0:26:430:26:45

I've got to tell you, I think I aged 50 years just working with them.

0:26:450:26:48

They had Kylie and they had Jason, and they had Rick Astley

0:26:500:26:53

and they had, they were having

0:26:530:26:54

lots of success with loads of different artists

0:26:540:26:57

and they tried to apply the factory approach

0:26:570:27:01

to the Bananarama record, and I was really insulted.

0:27:010:27:04

They had a very strong idea of what they wanted to make.

0:27:080:27:11

I had a very strong idea of what I wanted them to do,

0:27:110:27:14

which was not what they wanted.

0:27:140:27:16

There was a lot of locking of horns, especially between me and Pete.

0:27:160:27:21

# Last night, I was dreaming

0:27:210:27:24

# I was locked in a prison cell

0:27:240:27:28

# When I woke up, I was screaming

0:27:280:27:32

# Calling out your name, woah!

0:27:320:27:37

# And the judge and the jury... #

0:27:370:27:41

I'm sure if you asked Alex Ferguson

0:27:410:27:43

what it's like managing 11 blokes and they're all trying to score one goal,

0:27:430:27:46

I'll tell you, he must say it's impossible.

0:27:460:27:48

Trying to get three women to agree on one subject

0:27:480:27:50

is almost twice as impossible.

0:27:500:27:53

He is a card, isn't he?

0:27:530:27:55

He does come out with quite shocking things!

0:27:550:28:00

# ..Come on, baby, can't you see?

0:28:000:28:03

# I stand accused of love in the first degree... #

0:28:030:28:08

When girl group Venus collides with music mogul Mars,

0:28:110:28:14

however interstellar the fallout,

0:28:140:28:16

if a group reaches the point where they have the look

0:28:160:28:19

and they've bagged a hit song,

0:28:190:28:20

it's time to prepare for takeoff.

0:28:200:28:22

Destination Dreamland.

0:28:220:28:24

What seemed like a fairytale all those years ago

0:28:340:28:37

is fast becoming reality.

0:28:370:28:39

We had this dream, we definitely had this dream, in the garage,

0:28:410:28:44

-that day back in 1981...

-Awesome dream.

-I know. ..and it came true.

0:28:440:28:49

# Don't stop believin'

0:28:490:28:55

# Hold on to that feeling

0:28:550:28:58

# Streetlight people... #

0:28:580:29:04

The album was at number one, the tour was selling out,

0:29:050:29:09

we were just nominated for a Brit,

0:29:090:29:11

then we won the Brit,

0:29:110:29:12

and I actually remember

0:29:120:29:14

thinking to myself,

0:29:140:29:16

I am so happy.

0:29:160:29:20

Me whole life felt perfect.

0:29:200:29:24

You're living your passion,

0:29:270:29:29

you're living your dream,

0:29:290:29:30

you're working really hard and you're not even feeling tired.

0:29:300:29:34

It's just exhilarating.

0:29:340:29:36

I even took a mental picture,

0:29:380:29:40

to the point where I did this,

0:29:400:29:42

cos you're going to remember this,

0:29:420:29:43

and it was here in London,

0:29:430:29:45

performing to a sold-out crowd,

0:29:450:29:47

and everyone in that place was singing every single word,

0:29:470:29:51

and I think all of us looked to each other

0:29:510:29:52

with just some tears in our eyes, like, "Oh, my God!

0:29:520:29:56

"We did this! We did this!"

0:29:560:29:58

# ..Don't stop. #

0:29:590:30:01

CROWD CHEERS

0:30:010:30:06

With the fulfilment of the dream comes the VIP attention

0:30:110:30:13

of a court of primpers, crimpers, advisers, and assistants.

0:30:130:30:17

In the '60s, The Supremes discovered that they hadn't just

0:30:170:30:20

found fame and success for themselves,

0:30:200:30:24

they'd also acquired an entourage.

0:30:240:30:26

We were a very large operation, travelling in those days.

0:30:260:30:30

In fact, we did have our own band.

0:30:300:30:31

We had chaperones.

0:30:310:30:34

We had chaperones, I can't believe that,

0:30:340:30:36

until we were, like, 23.

0:30:360:30:37

So we had a huge entourage,

0:30:370:30:39

maybe 15 people,

0:30:390:30:41

so back then, that was pretty heavy duty.

0:30:410:30:46

Team Supremes might have seemed extravagant then,

0:30:460:30:48

but today's girl groups must wonder how they ever managed.

0:30:480:30:51

How many people? I don't know. We've got hair and make-up.

0:30:510:30:54

Stylists.

0:30:540:30:55

Two stylists.

0:30:550:30:57

Possibly a stylist's assistant.

0:30:570:30:58

Directors, all their assistants.

0:30:580:31:00

Manager.

0:31:000:31:03

Vocal coach.

0:31:030:31:04

Drivers.

0:31:040:31:05

Maybe a PR company.

0:31:050:31:06

Road manager, slash MD, slash... gosh, the poor guy did so many jobs.

0:31:060:31:11

-Dancers.

-All the dancers. The band.

0:31:110:31:13

Jana Banana, who did wardrobe.

0:31:130:31:15

-Eight dogs.

-Eight dogs.

0:31:150:31:18

It was like a huge tribe of people.

0:31:180:31:21

They were necessary.

0:31:210:31:23

For the successful girl group, entourage in tow,

0:31:280:31:31

the dream hatched in the schoolyard

0:31:310:31:34

is suddenly something the whole planet wants a piece of.

0:31:340:31:38

The world just changed.

0:31:380:31:40

My world has changed from living

0:31:400:31:42

in a one-bedroom council flat

0:31:420:31:44

at the age of 17

0:31:440:31:45

to being in Japan five times,

0:31:450:31:48

south-east Asia, Singapore, Malaysia. It was crazy.

0:31:480:31:52

The furthest we'd ever been

0:31:520:31:54

was Benidorm, I think.

0:31:540:31:55

-Yeah.

-So, Japan, wow.

0:31:550:31:56

So we go for this promotional tour and we get off the plane

0:31:590:32:01

and we can hear all this shouting and stuff.

0:32:010:32:04

-What the hell is that? You know?

-Yeah.

0:32:040:32:06

And I said, I remember distinctly saying,

0:32:060:32:07

"Well, there must be somebody famous on the plane," you know, seriously.

0:32:070:32:10

All of a sudden, you hear,

0:32:100:32:11

"We want The Nolans!"

0:32:110:32:13

I'm thinking, "Oh, my God, it's us!"

0:32:130:32:15

And there's all these banners,

0:32:150:32:16

because we were number one there, but we didn't know.

0:32:160:32:18

And we were in the hotel, and they said, "No, you mustn't go out."

0:32:180:32:21

"Sod this! We're going out."

0:32:210:32:23

And we found the back entrance, the four of us,

0:32:230:32:25

and we went out, and we were in this shop, and I looked round,

0:32:250:32:27

and there's two little young schoolgirls at the door,

0:32:270:32:30

really excited, cute, you know,

0:32:300:32:32

and then I looked round again and there's 15. I think,

0:32:320:32:35

"Yeah, that's cute." The next time, I looked round, it's like The Birds,

0:32:350:32:39

you know the Hitchcock film? There's about 200.

0:32:390:32:41

# Big in Japan... #

0:32:410:32:46

How do we get out? This is scary now.

0:32:460:32:48

They were right. We shouldn't have come out.

0:32:480:32:50

So we pushed through them. "Hi, nice to meet you," and all that.

0:32:500:32:53

Pulling our hair and clothing. And we ran. We legged it, didn't we?

0:32:530:32:56

And we managed to get back to the hotel, but scared, like,

0:32:560:32:58

"Oh, my God! This is awful," but in a way, it was brilliant.

0:32:580:33:02

The Nolans were big in Japan.

0:33:020:33:06

Bananarama have had more UK chart entries

0:33:060:33:08

than any other girl group before or since,

0:33:080:33:10

and The Three Degrees managed to garner royal approval.

0:33:100:33:13

But when it comes to global success,

0:33:130:33:16

there is one British girl group who topped the lot.

0:33:160:33:19

Well, it's nice to see that somebody's taken Take That's crown

0:33:190:33:22

and is wearing it properly.

0:33:220:33:24

Long live pop and long live the Spice Girls!

0:33:240:33:28

# La la la la la la la la la

0:33:280:33:31

# La la la la la la laaaa... #

0:33:310:33:36

When the Spice Girls stomped into the scene in the mid-'90s,

0:33:360:33:39

the very idea of the girl group was in jeopardy.

0:33:390:33:42

The word was that what teenage girls

0:33:420:33:45

really, really wanted was five pretty boys standing in a row.

0:33:450:33:48

When we first started out, all we ever got was,

0:33:500:33:52

girl bands don't sell.

0:33:520:33:54

Not interested.

0:33:540:33:55

It's all about boy bands.

0:33:550:33:57

The Spice's first stroke of genius

0:33:570:34:00

was to steal the age-old boy band trick

0:34:000:34:01

of giving each member a distinctive individual character.

0:34:010:34:06

# Giving you everything... #

0:34:060:34:08

Posh, Scary, Baby, Ginger, and Sporty.

0:34:080:34:14

We were given our nicknames by Top Of The Pops Magazine.

0:34:140:34:16

Of course we played up to it.

0:34:160:34:18

We loved it. We became caricatures.

0:34:180:34:20

We had to do that, because I think if we were confined to,

0:34:200:34:24

you know, having a uniform and being a certain way,

0:34:240:34:27

we wouldn't have lasted five minutes.

0:34:270:34:29

And now it's time for the first award of the day,

0:34:290:34:32

so here's the nominees for Best New Act.

0:34:320:34:34

At five, it's Peter Andre.

0:34:340:34:36

At four, it's them Backstreet Boys.

0:34:360:34:39

But would this be enough to convince the boy band obsessed

0:34:390:34:42

teenager that this new girl group could be trusted

0:34:420:34:44

with her affections?

0:34:440:34:45

But here, at one, they're live, and they know what they want,

0:34:450:34:48

it's the Spice Girls!

0:34:480:34:49

# Tell you what I want What I really, really want

0:34:490:34:51

# So, tell me what you want What you really, really want

0:34:510:34:54

# I'll tell you what I want What I really, really want

0:34:540:34:56

# So tell me what you want What you really, really want

0:34:560:34:58

-# I wanna...

-Ha...

-I wanna...

-Ha...

-I wanna...

-Ha...

-I wanna...

-Ha...

0:34:580:35:00

# I wanna really, really, really wanna zigazig ah... #

0:35:000:35:03

Masterstroke number two

0:35:030:35:04

was to make their debut single a kind of manifesto.

0:35:040:35:07

They took the implicit celebration of the power of girls

0:35:070:35:11

that had always been there in girl groups

0:35:110:35:13

and shouted it from the rooftops

0:35:130:35:15

as Girl Power.

0:35:150:35:16

# ..Get your act together We could be just fine

0:35:160:35:19

# I'll tell you what I want What I really, really want

0:35:190:35:22

# So tell me what you want What you really, really want

0:35:220:35:24

-# I wanna...

-Ha...

-I wanna...

-Ha...

-I wanna...

-Ha...

-I wanna...

-Ha...

0:35:240:35:26

# I wanna really, really, really wanna zigazig ah

0:35:260:35:29

# If you wanna be my lover

0:35:290:35:31

# You gotta get with my friends Gotta get with my friends... #

0:35:310:35:34

Now you can be one of the gang. We can do whatever we want to do.

0:35:340:35:36

Get with us. We're your friends.

0:35:360:35:38

And I thought that was a really clever starting point for the girls.

0:35:380:35:42

# Make it last forever Friendship never ends

0:35:420:35:46

# ..If you wanna be... #

0:35:460:35:47

For us, it was really important from early on,

0:35:470:35:51

we knew we wanted to be a girl band for the girls.

0:35:510:35:53

CROWD: Girl Power! Girl Power! Girl Power!

0:35:530:35:56

It's the first time that you'd ever heard that mantra -

0:35:580:36:00

you can be whatever you want to be, just have belief

0:36:000:36:02

and take your girls with you, take your friends with you.

0:36:020:36:05

That sort of sisterhood, and I think that's what the appeal was,

0:36:050:36:08

that girls bought into it because they believed it.

0:36:080:36:11

They wanted to be in that group.

0:36:110:36:13

CROWD: Girl power!

0:36:130:36:15

The Spice Girls seized back the girl group audience from the boys

0:36:150:36:18

and changed the pop landscape forever.

0:36:180:36:22

They writ large the inclusive message of sisterhood

0:36:220:36:25

that had drawn young women to girl groups for half a century

0:36:250:36:28

and invited a new generation of girls into their girl group gang.

0:36:280:36:32

Across the ages, from The Nolans to the Spice Girls,

0:36:380:36:42

life in the groups seems to be like a teenage girl heaven,

0:36:420:36:45

a kind of endless 24/7 sleepover.

0:36:450:36:48

One of the best things about being in a girl group

0:36:490:36:51

is that you've always got a friend there, you know,

0:36:510:36:54

it's like a girly night every day of the week.

0:36:540:36:56

You know, you're in Sex And The City every week.

0:36:560:36:58

People would normally assume that you go to your separate rooms,

0:36:580:37:01

see you later, good night.

0:37:010:37:03

We don't!

0:37:030:37:04

We all have our own rooms,

0:37:040:37:06

but they all, for some reason,

0:37:060:37:07

it's this unwritten rule that's happened,

0:37:070:37:10

the girls always come and sleep in my room.

0:37:100:37:12

Yeah, we watch movies, chill out.

0:37:120:37:14

# Were going to dance till the broad daylight... #

0:37:160:37:19

We shared everything. I mean, we shared clothes, we shared...

0:37:200:37:24

We'd get on the telephone and talk about boyfriends, you know,

0:37:240:37:27

"Oh, my God! He's so cute! Oh, my God, he talked to me."

0:37:270:37:30

You know, we did all those girl things that girls do.

0:37:300:37:33

We loved each other and we had so much fun, and we'd always just

0:37:330:37:37

make each other laugh and be each other's support system.

0:37:370:37:40

If somebody is not feeling good, there's a circle around them

0:37:400:37:42

to communicate and be there for them and give them a hug.

0:37:420:37:45

# Nobody going to love me better... #

0:37:450:37:47

I didn't have much closeness in my life before the Pussycat Dolls

0:37:490:37:54

and they became my family.

0:37:540:37:56

The bond of sisterhood can grow as strong as flesh and blood,

0:37:570:38:01

and that's a good job, because like a real family,

0:38:010:38:04

girl groups end up spending a lot of time together.

0:38:040:38:07

-Not so much of a whip in the turn. Is that all right?

-Uh-huh.

0:38:120:38:15

# Tumble out of bed and I stumble to the kitchen

0:38:150:38:19

# Pour myself a cup of ambition

0:38:190:38:21

# And yawn and stretch and try to come to life... #

0:38:210:38:23

I think it's completely different

0:38:260:38:28

to the vision you have as a kid,

0:38:280:38:29

having that dream of just being

0:38:290:38:31

on stage and singing and doing what you love,

0:38:310:38:34

and then when you actually get into it,

0:38:340:38:36

you actually find yourself doing less of the singing

0:38:360:38:38

and more of just the talking, and having to pose for pictures.

0:38:380:38:41

That's not always great.

0:38:410:38:45

An average day in the life of Atomic Kitten would be, up at six,

0:38:450:38:49

do a few schools, a bit of TV, a few more interviews...

0:38:490:38:53

-Fly to another country.

-Yeah.

0:38:530:38:56

First, it's like, "Oh, my God! How great is this?!"

0:38:560:39:00

And you get to a certain point on photo shoots and they come in

0:39:000:39:02

and they do your hair, and you're just like,

0:39:020:39:04

"Fuck off and leave me alone!"

0:39:040:39:06

# Working nine to five

0:39:060:39:08

# What a way to make a living... #

0:39:080:39:11

Sharp words to a stylist, that's not very sisterly.

0:39:110:39:15

And it gets worse.

0:39:150:39:16

# ..Use your mind and you never get the credit

0:39:160:39:19

# It's enough to drive you

0:39:190:39:21

# Crazy if you let it... #

0:39:210:39:25

Girl groups can sit there and say,

0:39:250:39:26

"Oh, we're like sisters. We love each other." Yeah, you are.

0:39:260:39:29

But there's something about females being together,

0:39:290:39:32

it brings out these weird little insecurities.

0:39:320:39:34

People do start to become overly picky and slightly paranoid.

0:39:340:39:39

Girls, I hate to say it, we can be bitchy.

0:39:390:39:42

You know, we can be difficult. One-upmanship.

0:39:420:39:46

She was longer in make-up than me. I wanted to wear that dress.

0:39:460:39:49

You don't get that with boys.

0:39:490:39:51

There's so much pressure on you.

0:39:510:39:52

We were exhausted. We missed home. We missed our families

0:39:520:39:55

and everything and, you know,

0:39:550:39:56

within the band, you've got very different personalities,

0:39:560:39:59

and, you know, some of the girls were

0:39:590:40:01

pretty tricky to get along with a lot of the time.

0:40:010:40:03

The little minutiae of life,

0:40:030:40:05

the things like there's five cookies on that plate.

0:40:050:40:08

Who took the sixth cookie?

0:40:080:40:10

You know, that was my cookie.

0:40:100:40:12

When we go shopping for the dresses, that's the issue,

0:40:120:40:15

is because the colour you like,

0:40:150:40:17

I don't like, so we argue about it.

0:40:170:40:19

We were, like, always rowing with each other.

0:40:190:40:22

The sort of teenage things. Well, no, you said it. Well, you said it.

0:40:220:40:25

Well, you've sang that song.

0:40:250:40:27

I want to wear them jeans. No, I want to wear them. You have them.

0:40:270:40:29

I want that top.

0:40:290:40:30

If you didn't get into the car on time, and you had girls

0:40:300:40:33

waiting in the car outside,

0:40:330:40:35

that would cause World War Five,

0:40:350:40:37

because World War Three and Four had already happened the week before.

0:40:370:40:41

# Aaaah, I hate you so much right now

0:40:410:40:46

# I hate you so much right now... #

0:40:460:40:47

Even when singing sisters are actual sisters, petty squabbles can

0:40:490:40:53

suddenly get out of hand.

0:40:530:40:55

Everybody always asked us

0:40:550:40:57

all the time - do you fight?

0:40:570:41:00

The clothes, mascara, bobby pins,

0:41:000:41:02

anything in the dressing room,

0:41:020:41:03

we'd argue about.

0:41:030:41:05

With sisters, it gets deep.

0:41:050:41:07

I remember, we were in Mexico and this guy came in the dressing room.

0:41:090:41:12

He goes, "I'm a huge fan of Sister Sledge. Do you want anything?

0:41:120:41:16

"A pina colada? Or whatever." So we all ordered these pina coladas.

0:41:160:41:19

And while he's gone, the two sisters, Joni and Kim, get into this

0:41:190:41:22

really big argument.

0:41:220:41:23

-Kim's got a hothead. She's the hot-headed one.

-Wait a minute!

0:41:290:41:33

-Let me finish, then you can respond.

-OK.

-See?

0:41:330:41:37

Anyway, she pulled my braids, and I was like,

0:41:370:41:40

"OK, that's the last time." So I pulled hers.

0:41:400:41:42

They've got each other's braids and they had this Mexican stand-off,

0:41:420:41:45

and they're holding it. And he walks in.

0:41:450:41:50

And we're locked in this braid lock, and he's like,

0:41:500:41:52

-he was so distressed.

-It was really funny.

-I felt so bad for him.

0:41:520:41:55

And I was like, it's OK,

0:41:570:41:58

it's going to be OK, just leave.

0:41:580:42:01

Life in the girl group bubble is intense and bust-ups will happen,

0:42:070:42:11

but sometimes, spats over cabs, cookies and cocktails

0:42:110:42:14

can be a symptom of something deeper,

0:42:140:42:16

that one of the pop princesses...

0:42:160:42:18

She will die!

0:42:180:42:19

..wants to be Queen.

0:42:190:42:20

There's always someone in the group

0:42:200:42:22

who naturally has that thing. I don't know what that thing is,

0:42:220:42:27

and that person doesn't even always have to have the best voice

0:42:270:42:31

or be the most talented.

0:42:310:42:32

They've just got that thing.

0:42:320:42:34

It's Kerry from Atomic Kitten! Yeah!

0:42:350:42:37

SMTV, they used to have chums.

0:42:370:42:39

They'd always asked me to play the role.

0:42:390:42:41

That's a frightfully interesting smell.

0:42:410:42:44

What perfume are you wearing?

0:42:440:42:46

-Sweat.

-Look at that! Aren't we getting on fabulously, yeah?

0:42:460:42:51

The girls were like, "Why do we never get a go?"

0:42:510:42:52

And I went, "You do it. I really, really, I don't mind.

0:42:520:42:57

"It's not me." And they go, "No, the producer wants you to do it."

0:42:570:42:59

"Well, I can't argue with that."

0:42:590:43:01

Unfortunately, that's how it works. It was probably the blonde hair and big boobs.

0:43:010:43:05

When the men from the music business hone in on a favourite member,

0:43:100:43:12

it can only mean trouble.

0:43:120:43:15

# Slide your feet up the streets

0:43:150:43:17

# Bend your back, shift your arm Then you pull it back

0:43:170:43:20

-# Like Sergeant O...

-Oh-Way-Oh

-So strike a pose on a Cadillac

0:43:200:43:24

# If you want to find all the cops

0:43:240:43:26

# They're hanging out in the doughnut shop

0:43:260:43:29

-# They sing and dance...

-Oh-Way-Oh

0:43:290:43:32

# They spin their clock Cruise down the block... #

0:43:320:43:35

There was an element of, like, this is amazing,

0:43:350:43:38

but it did bring up some of the...

0:43:380:43:40

some of the issues that we had in the band.

0:43:400:43:42

All the Bangles wrote and sang,

0:43:420:43:45

but the male gaze of the music industry

0:43:450:43:48

began to zero in on sultry Susanna,

0:43:480:43:51

a fact not lost on the sisters whose band it was in the first place.

0:43:510:43:54

I had a problem because my overarching

0:43:540:43:56

and all-encompassing view

0:43:560:43:59

was always the four, the gang, that image, that form, that force.

0:43:590:44:03

That's what I wanted it to be.

0:44:030:44:06

# ..Walk like an Egyptian... #

0:44:080:44:13

If Susanna had a vocal on a song that was a single, you know,

0:44:190:44:22

then the guy who's going to shoot

0:44:220:44:24

the video is going to be,

0:44:240:44:26

you know, just shooting Susanna.

0:44:260:44:28

And that became increasingly difficult.

0:44:280:44:30

There were definitely fissures and fractures that started to appear.

0:44:300:44:35

Once the cracks begin to appear, an unspoken fear starts to rise

0:44:380:44:41

to the surface.

0:44:410:44:42

That within the ranks, there may be a solo star,

0:44:450:44:51

just waiting to escape.

0:44:510:44:53

In the beginning, you are part of a group,

0:44:560:44:59

and you have this pledge that - we'll be together forever.

0:44:590:45:02

And then you have to come down to reality and you see,

0:45:020:45:06

wow, it doesn't last forever.

0:45:060:45:10

# My world is empty without you, babe

0:45:100:45:15

# My world is empty without you, babe... #

0:45:150:45:20

Motown mogul Berry Gordy gave The Supremes their start in pop,

0:45:210:45:26

but soon, Diana Ross's relationship with him

0:45:260:45:28

became about more than just the music.

0:45:280:45:30

And at the peak of the group's success,

0:45:320:45:34

they started hatching a plan for her solo career.

0:45:340:45:37

Florence Ballard, you know, she was really the original singer

0:45:380:45:43

and Diana Ross was the one that was more marketable.

0:45:430:45:45

That's where I think the biggest problem comes in the band.

0:45:450:45:48

I think no-one wants to be a background singer. No-one.

0:45:480:45:53

# I remember Momma says

0:45:530:45:55

# You can't hurry love

0:45:550:45:56

# No, you just have to wait

0:45:560:45:59

# She said, love don't come easy

0:45:590:46:01

# It's a game of give-and-take

0:46:010:46:04

# How long must I wait?

0:46:040:46:05

# How much more can I take?

0:46:050:46:07

# Before loneliness... #

0:46:070:46:11

They wanted to change our names from The Supremes

0:46:110:46:14

to Diana Ross And The Supremes.

0:46:140:46:16

We were kind of pushed back in terms of our power,

0:46:170:46:19

we were losing more power now, with this new identity.

0:46:190:46:26

And it was not a good feeling, you know, it was destroying us.

0:46:260:46:30

Finally, Diana Ross kissed the girls,

0:46:390:46:43

said goodbye to sisterhood,

0:46:430:46:47

and set off alone.

0:46:470:46:48

# No mountain high enough

0:46:480:46:52

# No valley low enough... #

0:46:520:46:54

For Diana Ross, dating the boss

0:46:540:46:55

didn't exactly harm her career prospects.

0:46:550:46:57

But having your eye

0:46:570:46:58

on the ultimate prize and being singled out

0:46:580:47:00

by the man in charge for special attention doesn't always

0:47:000:47:03

work so well.

0:47:030:47:05

People make strategic moves of who they date. You know,

0:47:050:47:09

it's easy for somebody to think,

0:47:090:47:11

"Well, you know what?

0:47:110:47:12

"If I have the producer,

0:47:120:47:13

"then I can be a bigger star."

0:47:130:47:14

The Ronettes!

0:47:140:47:17

It's usually egos that will tend to make someone go,

0:47:170:47:22

I want to stand out front more.

0:47:220:47:24

And my cousin Ronnie had that.

0:47:240:47:26

# There's been a lot of talk around

0:47:260:47:30

# That you've been seen with a certain party... #

0:47:300:47:35

The young Ronnie Bennett had always been the leader of this pack,

0:47:350:47:39

but when she, her sister Estelle, and cousin Nedra recorded with

0:47:390:47:41

maverick pop genius Phil Spector,

0:47:410:47:44

the result was girl group gold.

0:47:440:47:47

But Ronnie wanted more.

0:47:490:47:51

# ..Is this what I get for lovin' you, baby...? #

0:47:510:47:55

He was a small stature person. He had insecurities.

0:47:570:48:02

Extremely talented, but extremely, deep down inside, messed up.

0:48:020:48:08

# ..You said you'd never hurt me... #

0:48:080:48:12

I knew Ronnie and so I knew who she liked.

0:48:120:48:16

And I was like, "That's not it."

0:48:190:48:21

This little short guy that's eccentric and spits when he talks.

0:48:210:48:27

So, I knew that it was a career move.

0:48:270:48:30

OK. Let's forget about the intro for now. Let's just come right in.

0:48:300:48:34

One, two, three, four.

0:48:340:48:35

It's one thing being a control freak in the studio,

0:48:350:48:39

but Spector applied the same

0:48:390:48:41

obsessive approach to his relationship with Ronnie.

0:48:410:48:43

He wanted to know where she was at, calling all the time,

0:48:460:48:49

he didn't get a hotel, you know, he's calling all night long.

0:48:490:48:52

Leave the phone off the hook,

0:48:520:48:54

so I can hear you breathe.

0:48:540:48:56

# I'll make you happy, baby

0:48:580:49:02

# Just wait and see

0:49:020:49:06

# For every kiss you give me

0:49:060:49:10

# I'll give you three... #

0:49:100:49:13

The world fell in love with The Ronettes,

0:49:130:49:15

but Spector only had eyes for one of them.

0:49:150:49:18

When I began to sense and see

0:49:200:49:24

that Ronnie, herself - and she is my cousin, I love her -

0:49:240:49:28

began to let him go, "Well, I could push you here,"

0:49:280:49:33

I said, "Oh, I see what's happening."

0:49:330:49:36

So, it was like, let's talk this over.

0:49:360:49:39

The day we're not a trio, we're over.

0:49:390:49:44

Just weeks before Phil and Ronnie tied the knot,

0:49:440:49:49

the Ronettes broke up.

0:49:490:49:51

But Ronnie's solo career never took flight.

0:49:510:49:54

Instead, she found herself locked away in a Hollywood mansion

0:49:540:49:57

by the reclusive Spector.

0:49:570:49:58

Sometimes, the end of the dream isn't hastened

0:50:040:50:06

by the lure for solo stardom.

0:50:060:50:08

But it's always personal.

0:50:080:50:11

Go from being best friends to really irritating each other.

0:50:150:50:20

And, erm,

0:50:200:50:23

and then not wanting to be around each other, you know.

0:50:230:50:26

Those two were best friends from when they were little kids,

0:50:320:50:37

so they started to, you know, go to the pub without inviting me,

0:50:370:50:41

and things like that.

0:50:410:50:42

I felt lonely and lost

0:50:440:50:47

and friendless and really unhappy.

0:50:470:50:51

Being girls, we're more emotional, maybe men are more pragmatic

0:50:540:51:00

and they'll just hate each other and have separate limos

0:51:000:51:02

and separate dressing rooms, but still turn up for the dosh.

0:51:020:51:06

I wouldn't like to stand on stage with somebody that

0:51:060:51:11

I felt resentment for and, you know, life's too short.

0:51:110:51:14

# Just make it go away... #

0:51:160:51:22

By leaving, it means...

0:51:220:51:23

leaving the thing that you love doing most in the world

0:51:230:51:27

and that you're so passionate about,

0:51:270:51:29

and, yeah, it's...

0:51:290:51:33

it's a difficult thing to leave.

0:51:330:51:36

As Siobhan found out,

0:51:380:51:40

walking out on the thing you wanted the most of all in life is tough.

0:51:400:51:46

Whatever the era,

0:51:460:51:47

when an original girl group member leaves,

0:51:470:51:50

it's like part of the dream of sisterhood has died.

0:51:500:51:53

Geri Halliwell, otherwise known as Ginger Spice,

0:51:530:51:55

has confirmed that she has left the Spice Girls.

0:51:550:51:59

She says differences between her and the other band members

0:51:590:52:02

were to blame for her decision.

0:52:020:52:04

# Goodbye, my friend

0:52:040:52:07

# I know you're gone You said you're gone

0:52:070:52:09

# But I can still feel you here

0:52:090:52:11

# It's not the end

0:52:110:52:14

# You gotta keep it strong Before the pain turns into fear... #

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I don't know all of Geri's reasons behind leaving,

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but I know she was very unhappy and

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she felt that she had to jump ship.

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# No, no, no, no... #

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It was a really sad time for all of us.

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It's just a bit sad when you kind of achieve your dream,

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it's not what it's cracked up to be, you know?

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I kind of think that was the beginning of our decline,

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because the power we had was the five of us,

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you know, it was the jigsaw puzzle,

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and it just wasn't the same any more.

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The dynamic had changed.

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# ..It's not the end... #

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We would never have considered finding a replacement for Geri,

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because, you know,

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if someone else had come in,

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they would have been an intruder, you know,

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it was something that the five of us... It was our baby.

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# ..You know it's time to say goodbye... #

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Like the purity of a first love,

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their devotion to the original line up meant

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that adding a new Spice was unthinkable.

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# Looking back on when we first met... #

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But not all girl groups are like the Spice Girls.

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I'll never forget the day

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I told the girls I was leaving.

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Liz jumped out of the car, ran down the street, was like thinking,

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that's the end of the band,

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and this is where Tash, I saw Tash grow from a young girl to a woman.

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She grabbed hold of Liz and went, "Don't worry,

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"we're going to be absolutely fine,

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"and we're going to find somebody else."

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I thought, "Bitch!"

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# You can make me whole again... #

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As far as the man from the music business is concerned, yes,

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it's all very sad when someone makes their exit,

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but the show must go on, and after all,

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there are plenty more dreamers out there.

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When Siobhan quit Bananarama, they drafted in their old chum

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Jackie to replenish the three.

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When Diana Ross had turned her back on The Supremes,

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Motown had well-drilled substitutes

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waiting in the wings to make up the numbers.

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# Another one bites the dust. #

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As for The Three Degrees, strictly speaking,

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if all members are taken into account,

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The 14 Degrees would be nearer the mark.

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I started out in the beginning, left, Sheila took my place.

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When I came back, it was to replace Fayette Pinkney

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# When will I see you again...? #

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-Val replaced...

-Sonia.

-No, Janet.

-Sonia.

-No.

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Everybody keeps getting that wrong.

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# ..Are we in love...? #

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I don't know, it gets confusing

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when you're trying to figure out who replaced who.

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# ..Is this my beginning...? #

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If they're not sure who joined when, how are we supposed to keep up?

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And what of the Sugababes?

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Still chalking up hits after 11 years.

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Total members across the band's history, six.

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Original members still in the band now, zero.

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I think that's what's helped the band last so long,

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-because it's just a new personality, a new voice coming in.

-Yeah.

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# Round, round, baby Round, round

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# Spinning out on me

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# I don't need no man

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# Got my kicks for free... #

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Whoever wants to continue singing, you know,

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under the name Sugababes, if it makes you happy, why not?

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I've been in the group for ten years. Mel's been in it for six.

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Jade's been in it for two, so we've been that history of making,

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you know, building that name.

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I would prefer to remember it from when we first started

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going in and busting our butts to make a record,

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and that, to me... Whenever I see Mutya, whenever we sing together,

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whenever I hear our voices together,

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and with Siobhan's as well, that's when I feel like a Sugababe.

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You don't think I'm sounding bitchy, do you?

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# Train comes I don't know its destination... #

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So what should we make of the Sugababes regenerating again

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and again, like pop Time Lords?

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A cynical ploy dreamed up by marketing men?

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Or is it actually proof that the girl group dream is

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so powerful that we just don't want it to die?

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Even when the dream has lain dormant for decades,

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sisters have reunited to rekindle the spark.

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We were all women of a certain age, and you think

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it's never going to happen to us again,

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and there we were as a girl group in 2009.

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# I'm in the mood for dancing

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# Romancing... #

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We could see women of our age, who'd grown up with us as a girl band,

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if you like, and they're crying,

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and they've got their kids with them and it was just amazing.

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Best thing ever.

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# ..So come on and hold me tight... #

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Even those who vowed never to return

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will put it all behind them to live the dream once more.

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So much water had, you know, passed under the bridge.

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that I just thought, you know what,

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when am I ever going to get the opportunity to do these things again?

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So, I thought, let's just go for it.

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Let's just do it.

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# Slam me to the left... #

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A Spice Girls reunion they said would never happen.

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The generation spanning appeal of The Nolans,

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and the apparent indestructibility of the Sugababes

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are all proof that whatever a group's been through,

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the feuds, the fatigue, and failed friendships,

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however it's threatened by personal pressure, internal paranoia

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and even old age,

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somehow, the sisterhood and the dream emerge triumphant.

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And that's Girl Power!

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We put on a great show, we saw all our wonderful fans,

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probably for the last time, and I've got great memories of those shows.

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# ..If you're havin' a good time

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# Shake it to the right... #

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But by the end of it, we all wanted to kill each other.

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Next time, it's all about the solo stars,

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the men and women who go it alone, armed with a microphone,

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some songs, and an unquenchable desire to be pop top dog.

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I'm egotistical. I'm vain, and you have to be to be a pop star.

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I found it terrifying. I couldn't look at audiences.

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I couldn't begin to understand how this was happening to me.

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