Dunblane Songs of Praise


Dunblane

Sally Magnusson introduces hymns and songs from Dunblane's 13th-century cathedral. With the Morrison's Academy Girls Choir and the Origin singers.


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We're right in the middle of Scotland today,

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in the lovely cathedral town of Dunblane.

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And in this week's programme,

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a unique school for the children of the military.

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How a cathedral helps you to pray.

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Hymns and songs from the Dunblane congregation,

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and two very different choirs.

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Look north, and we're in the Highlands.

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Look south, and it's the industrial belt.

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This is the crossroads of Scotland.

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Dunblane's at a crossroads in another sense, too.

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All around it are the enduring symbols of both

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the earthly power struggles and the quiet journey of the soul

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that have played themselves out in so much of Scottish history.

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Take this rather grand monument, for instance.

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It's celebrating the battles of the fighter William Wallace

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against the English, of course, in the late 13th century.

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The Battle of Bannockburn in 1314

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was provoked by a siege of Stirling Castle,

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which was the focal point of conflict between the Scots and the English for many years.

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But at the same time, a small community was growing up

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around the ancient religious settlement at Dunblane.

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Dunblane Cathedral itself dates back to the 12th and 13th centuries.

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From here, people have been looking out on the world and praising God for almost 1,000 years.

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The cathedral is named after Saint Blane, who was born on the Isle of Bute.

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There's still clear evidence of an early settlement around the church on Bute which bears his name.

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The stones in the cathedral all tell a story.

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These arches and pillars are testament

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to the 300 years of exposure to the elements when the nave had no roof.

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There are many stories told and memories honoured here,

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not least the pupils and teacher killed in the town's primary school in 1996,

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marked by this simple standing stone.

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And a century ago, when the cathedral was having a new set of windows made,

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the news that all lives had been lost

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in Captain Scott's Antarctic expedition was commemorated in stained glass.

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So this cathedral has long been a place of searching for meaning and for God in difficult times.

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Queen Victoria School in Dunblane is the UK's only boarding school

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for children from services families.

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Built in memory of those who were killed in the Boer War,

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it was paid for by soldiers at the time, each giving a day's pay.

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The great thing that we provide for our families

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is stability and continuity of education for their children.

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Because if our families weren't sending their children to us,

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their children would be moving around with them.

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My parents move around every two years,

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so I keep on having to make new friends.

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One, two!

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Everyone comes from the same family, everyone's military organised,

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so everyone knows what everyone's like. You're all in the same boat.

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It can be difficult at times.

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There's been situations where pupils' parents have been

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involved in something out there,

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and the school just all pulls together as one.

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'It's really quite amazing to see how much everybody

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'is just there for each other.'

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It doesn't matter whether your dad's, like, really far away,

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or whether you just haven't seen him in a little while

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and he's just come back. You've all experienced the same sort of thing.

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It's the old story. If you've walked a mile in the person's shoes,

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it just makes it much more easy to be empathic,

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and that's what our children are with each other,

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and that's a great strength of our pupils.

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Well done, James.

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I think the opportunities you get,

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such as the Combined Cadet Force and the Duke of Edinburgh,

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and the pipe band and dancing are amazing opportunities for people.

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It's unbelievable.

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All our children come from a family where at least one member of the family is serving,

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so they all know what it's like.

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We have a peer support system in each of the boarding houses

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where the senior pupils in houses take up more of a kind of brotherly role or sisterly role.

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Everybody's working closely with each other,

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so the seniors will put the junior year groups to bed.

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So in that sense it's more like the older sister

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and the younger brother role model.

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The younger pupils are aware of who to talk to, and our doors are always open.

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They can just come, have a chat with us, we'll talk about a few things.

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We're just here to, you know, put a little comfort into their hearts.

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The children know they can get access to e-mail facilities and telephone facilities

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so that if dad's phoning from Afghanistan and it's going to be at 8:15 on Friday morning

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cos that's his slot, we make sure that the child can be in the office to take that phone call,

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because that's essentially so important for them

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to know that they can talk to dad, and that dad's OK.

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When you leave, if you came in primary seven

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you would have been with the same people for seven years,

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so you know them pretty, pretty well.

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-And you make friends really easily, cos you're always...

-You're all in the same situation.

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..Like, around people.

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The bonds that you make with people are really...

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I don't think you get that at a normal school,

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because you're here all the time with people, and it really is a home from home.

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It's sort of like a sleepover every night,

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cos you're with your friends a lot.

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The friends you meet here are your friends for life.

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It's basically a family for your time here.

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# I will sing with the spirit

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# I will sing with the spirit

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# Hallelujah, hallelujah

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# Hallelujah, hallelujah

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# Hallelujah, hallelujah Hallelujah

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# I will sing with the spirit

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# I will sing with the spirit

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# Hallelujah, hallelujah

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# Hallelujah, hallelujah

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# Hallelujah, hallelujah

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# Hallelujah, hallelujah

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# And I will sing with the understanding also

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# Hallelujah, hallelujah

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# And I will sing with the understanding also

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# Hallelujah, hallelujah

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# And I will sing with the understanding also

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# Hallelujah, hallelujah

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# Hallelujah

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-# I will sing with the spirit

-Sing hallelujah

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-# Sing with the spirit

-Hallelujah with the spirit

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# Hallelujah, hallelujah

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# Hallelujah, hallelujah

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# Hallelujah, hallelujah

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# Hallelujah, hallelujah

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# Hallelujah

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# Hallelujah. #

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16 years ago, Andrew and Rebecca Wright adopted their twin sons,

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David and Billy.

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They wanted a service to mark the event,

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but they also wanted it to reflect the day-to-day life of their new family.

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They asked cathedral member Ruth Burgess to write a service for them.

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After the boys were adopted, they decided they wanted to have

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a service of thanksgiving in the church for that,

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and we tried to leave gaps in it

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so that the boys' interests could come into it.

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So I remember writing one prayer that was about steam engines,

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because I knew the whole family was into steam engines,

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but I also suggested one of the things we might be thankful for

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was Smarties, cos of the "S" and the alliteration,

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and what they came back with was stones

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because that's what they liked collecting,

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so we had a prayer thanking God for stones and for steam engines.

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'So what about the thousands of visitors to Dunblane Cathedral?

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'They may want to pray, perhaps for the first time. How do they start?'

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It says here, "Put your hands on the communion table."

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Yes, because for some people praying is good if it has something physical to do with it,

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so putting your hands down, for some people helps them to think.

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For some people closing your eyes helps, for some people doing something helps when you pray.

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These were cards that were there for visitors to use who came into the cathedral

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that looked at specific things within the cathedral

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and then suggested prayers, Bible readings.

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Because not everybody who comes into the cathedral

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is going to come in from a Christian background,

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so sometimes the language of prayer isn't appropriate

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so we wanted to put in things that we felt most people could share in.

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'Another card is inspired by Captain Scott's Antarctic expedition.'

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On the card that's connected with this window, we encourage people

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to think about their best journey, and to think about their worst journey,

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and maybe to walk around the cathedral while they're doing that.

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Although no journey they think of could possibly have been as bad as that one, eh?

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Hopefully not, no.

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And maybe... I think the other thing on the card we encourage people to think about

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is to think about or to pray for someone who's having a difficult journey.

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Sometimes I think about something and then I have to let it

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wander round my brain for a couple of days before it actually goes down onto paper.

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But certainly, seeing God in nature and in creation and in other people

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is part of who I am and what I believe,

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and I also believe that the stuff that we use in churches should reflect

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the concerns of the people in the pews as well as the people in the pulpit.

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# Be still for the presence of the Lord

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# The holy one is here

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# Come bow before him now with reverence and fear

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# In him no sin is found

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# We stand on holy ground

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# Be still for the presence of the Lord

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# The holy one is here

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# Be still for the glory of the Lord

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-# Glory, shining, be still

-Is shining all around

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# He burns with holy fire

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# With splendour he is crowned

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# How awesome is the sight

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-# Our radiant king of light

-King of light

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# Be still for the glory of the Lord

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# Is shining all around

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# Be still for the power of the Lord

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-# Is moving in this place

-Be still

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# He comes to cleanse and heal

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-# To minister his grace

-Minister his grace

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# No work too hard for him

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-# In faith receive from him

-Receive from him

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# Be still for the power of the Lord

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# Is moving in this place

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# How awesome is the sight

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# Our radiant king of light

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# Be still for the presence of the Lord

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# The holy one is here. #

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Stirling University was founded in 1967.

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Seven years later, Nick Price came to teach.

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I spent 26 very happy years here working my way up from lecturer

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eventually to being a professor of biochemistry.

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As a place to grow up, as a place to have a family,

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as a place to live, and indeed a place to go running around here,

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it was just a wonderful place. I had very happy times here.

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Now, in 2004 your family suffered a terrible tragedy.

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You lost your middle daughter, Rebekah.

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It was January the 14th in 2004.

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I came back to get a phone call, the kind of phone call

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that's every parent's worst nightmare,

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because we got the news that our daughter, Rebekah,

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had been knocked off her bike on her way to work.

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And after a week of keeping a vigil, she died.

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And I think that as a family it just knocked us sideways.

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But each day the post would bring more and more letters and cards,

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not just ones saying how sorry people were,

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but people really telling stories about how Rebekah

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had meant so much to them, how Rebekah had led them to faith,

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how Rebekah had a faith they envied,

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and I think it just bowled us over.

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For her funeral service,

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we decided that we'd use this as a picture for a front cover.

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It was just after she'd received her DPhil in Oxford in biochemistry,

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and it shows really a great sense of fun.

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Well, I think the overall message that came across from the funeral,

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the memorial service, that we really wanted to convey was that

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there was no way in which you could use the word waste,

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that she had actually achieved so much, and still continues to achieve

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through the effect she's had on other people.

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God has a plan for all of us.

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I think it's a bit like a ship or a boat

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that suddenly encounters a storm and is blown off course.

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And you're left thinking,

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"Well, do I just go further and further off course?"

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Or do you feel that there's something pulling you back onto the right course?

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And I felt that, rather than, as I say, drifting further and further off course,

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being angry or destructive about it, you know,

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I like to see the way that you can get back onto course and can orient your life in a different way.

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And the way that, in fact, you went on to orientate your life

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was to become a lay reader in the church.

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I've met ministers, actually, in the church who have suffered a similar tragedy

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and have lost their faith, and yet in your case it seems to have been

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almost affirmed in quite a dramatic way.

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I think what it's taught me, really,

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is that providence isn't something that you can put coins into a slot machine

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and get something out, but you see with the benefit of hindsight,

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looking back, you see that God was caring for us perhaps in other ways.

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In the shadow of Stirling Castle, one of the country's

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more difficult housing schemes is being transformed.

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In the middle of it is the Salvation Army, providing, as ever, practical support.

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We have drug workers here, we have alcohol workers,

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we work with a doctor who comes in and uses the premises,

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we have a podiatrist, and we also have a dentist on hand,

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because often with our clients, when they're getting off drugs they've got problems with their teeth.

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If they can get their teeth sorted, it makes a big difference,

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gives them a right good boost to their morale and confidence.

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One of the more controversial services you offer here

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is the needle exchange for drug addicts.

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Now, what's the thinking behind providing that facility?

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Well, the needle exchange came about because at that time

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a lot of people were reusing old needles or other people's needles,

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and we came to the decision that to preserve life

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and to stop cross-infection with HIV and hepatitis,

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it would be better if we could engage with a service who provided clean needles.

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So when somebody comes in to receive their needles,

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the drug worker will try and talk them into using other methods

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that doesn't include injecting, but the needles are there to pass on if they're continuing to inject,

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to keep them safe to a certain degree.

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I think as Christians we've got to give a helping hand in a very practical way.

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And we see that as a practical way of helping people stay alive

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until they are at the right place in life to change.

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What experiences from your own past do you find most useful?

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I was a heavy drinker myself, and I can often draw on that.

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And also, being amongst drinkers, knowing how to handle them, as well.

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Because often it's the first approach to somebody can make the difference.

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If you speak to them the wrong way you can inflare a situation,

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where, if you go about it maybe a jokey way,

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you can get your point over without causing them

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to turn violent or go off on one.

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Some of them are just looking for guidance.

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They like boundaries, they like to know where they can't cross the line,

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so they sometimes need that, and they respect that.

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Why do you do what you do?

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It's our calling as Christians to help those who are less fortunate,

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those who are struggling in life.

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And who are we to judge why they're there or how they got there?

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We're just there to try and help them turn the corner

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and improve their lives from where they are.

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Bless us, God, with saints to tell us stories...

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..with angels to surprise us...

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..with friends along the way.

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Bless us, God, with strength and joy and courage...

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..all the length and breadth of our nights and days.

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BELLS CHIME

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And so it's goodbye from Dunblane.

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Next week, Aled stops off at St Pancras station in London,

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one of the busiest train stations in the land.

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He meets two chaps who spend most days just talking to people,

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someone who wouldn't work anywhere else,

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and someone who actually lives there.

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And, of course, great hymns for the journey ahead.

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Sally Magnusson introduces hymns and songs from the 13th-century cathedral, including Morrison's Academy Girls Choir and the Origin singers.


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