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Today, Songs Of Praise visits the Isle of Lewis, | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
off the west coast of Scotland. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
I'm aboard a local trawler on its way into Stornoway harbour, | 0:00:08 | 0:00:12 | |
and I'm glad it's a relatively calm day today - believe me, it is! - | 0:00:12 | 0:00:16 | |
because this is an island that can get | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
battered by Atlantic storms in winter. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
It's also quite a private island | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
with a traditionally deep attachment to its churches. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:28 | |
Today, it finds itself under a rather unlikely spotlight, though, | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
because of its links with probably the most powerful man in the world. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:35 | |
'It was from here that a young woman emigrated to America, and on Friday | 0:00:37 | 0:00:41 | |
'her son, Donald Trump, will become the President of the United States. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:45 | |
'We'll be following in Mary Ann Macleod's footsteps, | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
'finding out more about the faith that underpinned her life, | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
'and tracing her family roots.' | 0:00:53 | 0:00:55 | |
And she was baptised here, and her name is in that book! | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
You were very excited when you discovered this, weren't you? | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
-Mary Ann. -There she is. -Daughter of Malcolm Macleod and Mary Smith. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:04 | |
'And we'll reveal how Donald Trump's early life in New York was | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
'influenced by a charismatic church minister who wrote | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
'a book that sold millions.' | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
We'll also be hearing about a tragedy that overwhelmed the | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
Isle of Lewis, when more than 200 men returning from the | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
First World War drowned within just feet of the shore. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:26 | |
I would say it probably ripped the heart out of the island. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
Just look at this - sky, sea, wind, the joy of Lewis. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:46 | |
With that in mind, let's have our first hymn. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:47 | |
It's by the American composer Dan Schutte. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:51 | |
'Lewis is the largest island in the Outer Hebrides, and it was | 0:04:37 | 0:04:41 | |
'here over a century ago | 0:04:41 | 0:04:43 | |
'that a young woman, Mary Ann Macleod, grew up. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
'She was to become the mother of a future American president. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:50 | |
'Donald Trump's relatives were crofters working | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
'a small amount of land to survive, but often this wasn't enough. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:58 | |
'I'm here at Stornoway harbour to meet the Reverend James Maciver, | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
'to find out how they made ends meet.' | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
Life would have been very hard. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
Crofts on the island generally tend to be quite small, | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
portions of land maybe four or five acres, something like that, | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
so it really would be impossible to make | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
a living out of that entirely on its own, | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
so many people combined crofting and fishing. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
It would have meant danger | 0:05:23 | 0:05:24 | |
but also difficulty, hard work, uncertainty with weather and so on. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:28 | |
So it would have been a very difficult lifestyle, really, | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
for her family and many others. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
When Mary Ann was just two, | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
the First World War broke out and had a dramatic effect on the island. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:39 | |
Proportionally, more men from the island actually served in the war, | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
per head of population, than any other district in the whole country, | 0:05:42 | 0:05:47 | |
which meant that the losses, obviously, proportionally, | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
were also greater, which of course explains, to some extent at least, | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
why some people chose to leave and to emigrate. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
Mary Ann was just 17 when she decided to start a new life. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:02 | |
She left her home and her parents behind and she sailed to America. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:07 | |
GAELIC CHORAL SINGING | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
But Mary Ann, whose first language was Gaelic, would never forget | 0:06:11 | 0:06:15 | |
the island or the Presbyterian faith that she grew up with. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
The church was built in 1909, | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
three years before Mary Ann was born, so she would have been | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
in this main sanctuary here as part of the Gaelic congregation. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
And she was baptised here, and her name is in that book! | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
You were very excited when you discovered this, weren't you? | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
We have the United Free Church Of Scotland Baptismal Register, | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
-and in 1913, you can see the entry there for Mary Ann. -There she is. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:42 | |
Daughter of Malcolm Macleod and Mary Smith of Tong. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
Mary Ann was youngest of ten, | 0:06:46 | 0:06:47 | |
-and we have another seven siblings here... -Goodness! | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
-..all baptised together on the same day... -On the same day! -..in 1903. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:54 | |
-Any Donalds in there? -Yes, there's Donald. -Oh, yes, so there is. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:58 | |
'She would go on to name one of her own children Donald.' | 0:06:58 | 0:07:02 | |
But her passion for her roots went much further. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:08 | |
Mary Ann kept returning here year on year when she was Mary Ann Trump, | 0:07:08 | 0:07:12 | |
and she used to sit with her family in the front pew upstairs. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
We'd be talking about the '60s, '70s, '80s. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
We're proud of her, as a congregation. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
Islander Christine MacCuish remembers the overseas visitor. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
From the organ, I could see this very striking figure - | 0:07:26 | 0:07:31 | |
tall, beautifully turned out. Her hair was just immaculate. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:38 | |
So you managed to get a good look, | 0:07:38 | 0:07:39 | |
even though you were playing the organ. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
I did. And Mrs Trump was conversing freely with the congregation | 0:07:41 | 0:07:47 | |
in her native tongue, Gaelic. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
-Ah, she was talking Gaelic? -Yes, she was. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
She obviously never forgot her first language. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
What values do you think she might have taken with her? | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
Mary Ann's upbringing wouldn't have been easy. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
She would have developed a resilience that's characteristic | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
of the Hebridean, and I think she'd have taken that with her to America. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:10 | |
# Deep peace of the running wave to you | 0:08:13 | 0:08:21 | |
# Deep peace of the flowing air to you | 0:08:21 | 0:08:30 | |
# Deep peace of the quiet earth to you | 0:08:30 | 0:08:37 | |
# Deep peace of the shining stars to you | 0:08:37 | 0:08:47 | |
# Deep peace of the gentle night to you | 0:08:47 | 0:08:56 | |
# Moon and stars pour their healing light on you | 0:08:56 | 0:09:05 | |
# Deep peace of Christ | 0:09:05 | 0:09:12 | |
# Of Christ | 0:09:12 | 0:09:16 | |
# The light of the world to you | 0:09:16 | 0:09:28 | |
# Deep peace of Christ to you. # | 0:09:28 | 0:09:43 | |
The seas around Lewis can be treacherous. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:48 | |
Donald Trump's own great-grandfather was drowned in a fishing accident. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:53 | |
And shortly, we'll hear about the worst maritime disaster to | 0:09:53 | 0:09:57 | |
strike the island. | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
But first, a hymn written in 1860 by William Whiting, who felt his life | 0:09:59 | 0:10:04 | |
had been spared when his ship was almost claimed during violent seas. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:09 | |
Earlier, we learned how badly Lewis was hit by the First World War, | 0:12:14 | 0:12:19 | |
but the biggest single loss of life | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
would actually come after the conflict had ended. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
The sinking of the Iolaire on New Year's Day 1919 remains | 0:12:26 | 0:12:31 | |
Britain's worst peacetime disaster at sea since the Titanic. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:35 | |
Those who died were in touching distance of home. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
The men were returning to Lewis after four years away fighting | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
in World War I, and what made it even more awful was that some | 0:12:46 | 0:12:51 | |
of their families were waiting | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
right here on the harbour pier for their men to return, | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
unaware of the disaster that was unfolding less than a mile away. | 0:12:56 | 0:13:01 | |
Earlier, the Iolaire had set sail from the Scottish mainland. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:08 | |
The men on board had survived the horrors of war and were eager | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
to be reunited with their loved ones. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:15 | |
But as the ship entered Stornoway Bay, disaster struck. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
Local author John MacLeod has written an account of the tragedy. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:24 | |
This is where the Iolaire disaster happened, | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
where the vessel ran aground. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
She came round the corner of the bay late at night, pitch-black, | 0:13:28 | 0:13:32 | |
far too close to the shore, and with inexperienced officers | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
in charge who had never sailed her at night. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
The ship struck a notorious reef, the Beasts of Holm, | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
which lie below this marker. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:44 | |
Suddenly, with a tremendous bang, she keeled over to the side. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
Dozens of youths aboard on the open decks were washed away, | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
left fighting for their lives in the sea, | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
soaked to the skin, chilled, terrified. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
Most who tried to make it ashore were immediately lost, | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
but one man held his nerve. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
John Finlay MacLeod plunged into the ferocious waters with a line, | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
and used the momentum of the waves to reach dry land. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:16 | |
There's only one chance. Just keep afloat. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
And watch out for the waves. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:23 | |
And don't take the first one... | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
..or the second. But watch the third one. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
It's always the highest. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
Once ashore, John and others brought dozens to safety. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:38 | |
But the remorseless sea would claim 205 lives, with only 80 survivors. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:47 | |
Anne Macaulay's great-grandfather was one of those who drowned. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:58 | |
She remembers how deeply her grandmother Mairi was affected. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
My granny was ten when her father died. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
She was the only one of the five children in her family who | 0:15:06 | 0:15:11 | |
properly knew what it was like to have their father at home, | 0:15:11 | 0:15:14 | |
and therefore she was the one who most keenly felt his loss. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:18 | |
There were so many losses. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
I would say it probably ripped the heart out of the island. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
People just closed the door on it, | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
because I think talking about it would have just been too painful. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:35 | |
The Church was very strong in the island, and I would say that | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
the faith of the people up here at that time is what got them through. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:45 | |
# God on high | 0:15:56 | 0:16:02 | |
# Hear my prayer | 0:16:02 | 0:16:08 | |
# In my need | 0:16:08 | 0:16:14 | |
# You have always been there | 0:16:14 | 0:16:22 | |
# He is young | 0:16:22 | 0:16:29 | |
# He's afraid | 0:16:29 | 0:16:35 | |
# Let him rest | 0:16:35 | 0:16:41 | |
# Heaven blessed | 0:16:41 | 0:16:47 | |
# Bring him home | 0:16:47 | 0:16:52 | |
# Bring him home | 0:16:53 | 0:16:58 | |
# Bring him home | 0:16:59 | 0:17:04 | |
# He's like the son I might have known | 0:17:04 | 0:17:10 | |
# If God had granted me a son | 0:17:10 | 0:17:15 | |
# The summers die | 0:17:15 | 0:17:21 | |
# One by one | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
# How soon they fly | 0:17:23 | 0:17:28 | |
# On and on | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
# And I am old | 0:17:31 | 0:17:36 | |
# And will be gone | 0:17:36 | 0:17:41 | |
# Let him live | 0:17:42 | 0:17:49 | |
# Bring him home | 0:17:49 | 0:17:55 | |
# Bring him home | 0:17:56 | 0:18:06 | |
# Bring him home. # | 0:18:06 | 0:18:23 | |
Between the two World Wars, the Isle of Lewis saw hundreds of | 0:18:25 | 0:18:29 | |
islanders move away to build new lives. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:34 | |
In our next story, | 0:18:34 | 0:18:35 | |
we hear about people who've left their homes to come to the UK. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
Three years ago, St Mark's Church in Stoke got a new vicar, | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
the Reverend Sally Smith. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
'It was typical, really, of a church in a post-industrial city.' | 0:18:47 | 0:18:52 | |
Just a handful in the congregation on a Sunday morning, | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
of mainly white people. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:57 | |
But that soon changed. | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
A growing number of asylum seekers were arriving in Stoke, and | 0:18:59 | 0:19:03 | |
Sally couldn't turn her back on the new influx of people to her area. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:08 | |
-ALL: -Hallelujah! | 0:19:08 | 0:19:09 | |
We opened the door to welcome people into a drop-in, | 0:19:09 | 0:19:13 | |
where people could come and have a cup of tea, a piece of toast. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:15 | |
-Are you going now? -No, I go home. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
Some of those have responded to the kindness that they've | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
encountered and they've wanted to learn more about Jesus, | 0:19:22 | 0:19:26 | |
so they've started to come along and worship with us and become | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
part of the life of the church. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
'And so we have regular baptisms now.' | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
Receive the sign of his cross. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
And we've done around 60 baptisms this year, and probably 50 of those | 0:19:37 | 0:19:41 | |
are from a Muslim background. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
-Amen. -Amen. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:45 | |
'One of the questions I often get asked is, | 0:19:45 | 0:19:47 | |
' "Aren't they just doing this to get their papers?" ' | 0:19:47 | 0:19:49 | |
And I, as a follower of Jesus and as a minister, as a priest, | 0:19:49 | 0:19:53 | |
I have to say, "What would I want for this person in front of me? | 0:19:53 | 0:19:57 | |
"How would Jesus respond to this person in front of me now?" | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
..the riches of his grace. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:02 | |
Zahir already has a visa to stay in the UK, | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
but he still chose to be baptised. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:07 | |
-TRANSLATION: -I was really happy. I can't describe my feelings. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:12 | |
I'm going to change to a new version of me. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:16 | |
With a growing congregation of asylum seekers, | 0:20:16 | 0:20:18 | |
Sally saw a new need, and the solution was on her doorstep. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:23 | |
There was a house across the road from the church, which I bought. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:27 | |
I had some money in the bank which wasn't earning any interest. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
'We were able to buy that house and do it up with the help of | 0:20:30 | 0:20:34 | |
'volunteers who come along to the drop-in, who have many, many skills. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
'Now it provides accommodation for people who are completely destitute. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:43 | |
'I get contacted by churches around the country who've seen | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
'things about us in the media and have said, "Exactly the same | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
' "thing's happening here in our church," | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
'not just Anglican churches.' | 0:20:51 | 0:20:52 | |
-Beautiful! -Nice? -Nice! | 0:20:52 | 0:20:54 | |
There is something happening around not only this country but | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
around Europe, a spiritual awakening. | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
Jalal was a TV engineer in Iran. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
He says that installing systems into people's houses which allowed | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
them to tune in to foreign news made him a target for the regime. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:11 | |
-TRANSLATION: -Everything has changed in our lives now. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:15 | |
Our lives are full of joy, hope, love, kindness, peace. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:22 | |
Life used to be based on fear, but now it's totally changed. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:29 | |
There's a prophecy in the Book of Isaiah that talks about the | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
wealth of the nations coming to us, and about foreigners | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
rebuilding our cities and building up our walls that have been | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
broken down, and I believe that asylum seekers and refugees | 0:21:40 | 0:21:44 | |
are the wealth of the nation. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
-# Yes, Lord -People came to worship him | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
# Yes, Lord... # | 0:21:49 | 0:21:51 | |
'And not everyone will see that. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
'But we need to be able to see through the eyes of the | 0:21:54 | 0:21:56 | |
'prophet and we need to see the gifts and the skills and the | 0:21:56 | 0:21:58 | |
'abilities and the treasure that's coming to us, and to welcome them.' | 0:21:58 | 0:22:03 | |
They've brought new life to my church, and I wouldn't change one | 0:22:03 | 0:22:08 | |
moment of what's happened over the last couple of years. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:12 | |
# Our Father, all of heaven roars your name | 0:22:14 | 0:22:21 | |
# Sing louder, let this place erupt with praise | 0:22:21 | 0:22:28 | |
-ALL: -# Can you hear it, the sound of heaven touching earth? | 0:22:28 | 0:22:37 | |
# The sound of heaven touching earth... # | 0:22:37 | 0:22:38 | |
Sing together again. Our Father. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
The sound of heaven! | 0:23:01 | 0:23:03 | |
# The sound of heaven touching earth... # | 0:23:03 | 0:23:05 | |
Spirit break out. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:06 | |
# Spirit break out... # | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
Let's sing it together. King Jesus! | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
Here on the Isle of Lewis, I've been following in the footsteps of | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
Mary Ann Macleod, the late mother of president-elect Donald Trump. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:37 | |
Mary Ann experienced a hard life here, | 0:24:37 | 0:24:39 | |
and the First World War had devastated the male population | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
and the chances of a young woman getting married. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:46 | |
To make matters worse, Mary Ann was the youngest of ten children | 0:24:46 | 0:24:50 | |
and only one son could inherit the family croft. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
You can understand why she decided to follow her sisters to | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
a new life 3,000 miles away in New York City. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:02 | |
Mary Ann arrived in 1930, and six years later, | 0:25:04 | 0:25:08 | |
she married Frederick Trump, with whom she had five children, | 0:25:08 | 0:25:12 | |
the most famous, Donald. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:14 | |
As the child of immigrants, | 0:25:15 | 0:25:17 | |
his mother in particular thought it was important to make sure | 0:25:17 | 0:25:21 | |
that her children grew up going to church and knowing their | 0:25:21 | 0:25:26 | |
understanding of their Christian faith through church attendance. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
At a Presbyterian church in Manhattan, | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
Donald Trump met his greatest spiritual influence, | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
the controversial pastor Dr Norman Vincent Peale, who wrote the | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
international bestseller The Power Of Positive Thinking. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
His most famous book put forth a philosophy that if you | 0:25:42 | 0:25:46 | |
thought good things would come your way, | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
then good things would come your way, and if you changed your | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
attitude then your life around you would change. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
Many Christians objected because it didn't adequately handle the | 0:25:54 | 0:25:59 | |
reality of suffering in the world and the reality of evil. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:04 | |
While some distanced themselves from the Peale theology, | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
Donald Trump was a close friend. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:09 | |
The pastor officiated at family occasions, | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
including the funeral of his mother, Mary Ann. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
Donald Trump made a name for himself as | 0:26:18 | 0:26:20 | |
a property tycoon and star of The Apprentice USA. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:24 | |
In 2008, he visited Lewis with his eldest sister to explore his roots. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:30 | |
Today, I'm retracing his steps with Iain Maciver, | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
a local journalist who was there that day. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
This house here is where his mother was born and brought up, | 0:26:36 | 0:26:42 | |
so Donald Trump himself came here to have a look. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:46 | |
We were all waiting at Stornoway Airport, and Trump One landed, | 0:26:46 | 0:26:53 | |
you know, with great ceremony, and he appeared at this door. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
And very presidential, looking back at it! | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
He sort of stepped into a limo and was swept off. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:01 | |
It was almost like a foretaste of what was to come! | 0:27:01 | 0:27:05 | |
The house has remained in the family, | 0:27:05 | 0:27:07 | |
so the visit was also a reunion. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
-OK. Got enough? -Excellent. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:14 | |
The cousins were assembled and waiting, and they all went in. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:20 | |
We're told that he had a quick tour of the house. It didn't take long. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:24 | |
Within a few minutes he was back out, battling the wind again. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:28 | |
-I won't say, "You're fired," right? -Oh, you can do that one, as well. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:32 | |
Donald Trump is a controversial character, to say the least. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:37 | |
Is it difficult for the Macleod family to be in the spotlight | 0:27:37 | 0:27:41 | |
in the way that they've had to be recently? | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
The cousins, they have decided amongst themselves | 0:27:44 | 0:27:46 | |
that the best thing to do, at least for the moment, | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
is to say nothing at all, and they certainly have | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
no intention of upsetting, you know, their cousin. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:56 | |
What do you think Donald Trump might have got from his Lewis | 0:27:56 | 0:28:00 | |
heredity that would prove useful for Donald Trump in his presidency? | 0:28:00 | 0:28:05 | |
We may already be seeing some of the Lewis background, | 0:28:08 | 0:28:13 | |
the traits coming through in Donald Trump, | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
in that he says what he thinks, whether he's saying, | 0:28:16 | 0:28:19 | |
"You're fired," or whether he's giving his views about immigration. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:25 | |
So although they're a reserved people, | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
when they're put on the spot, island people, too, will usually | 0:28:27 | 0:28:31 | |
tell you exactly what they think, whether you like it or not. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
I'm not going to give you a question. You are fake news. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
Go ahead. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:39 | |
Donald Trump is no stranger to controversy, | 0:28:39 | 0:28:42 | |
as evidenced again this week. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:44 | |
And after a divisive election campaign, it's not just Lewis | 0:28:44 | 0:28:47 | |
people who are wondering what sort of president he's going to be. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:51 | |
He has often in the campaign put people against one another. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:55 | |
Whether he will keep that up during the presidency we don't know. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:59 | |
I brought my Bible. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:00 | |
-LAUGHTER -See? | 0:29:00 | 0:29:03 | |
He has said that he wants to be a great representative of | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
Christianity in the presidency, and so I think I, for one, will be | 0:29:06 | 0:29:10 | |
looking to him to see what that looks like. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
Thank you. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:14 | |
Christianity isn't something that you just say or you believe, | 0:29:14 | 0:29:17 | |
it's something you do, and so I'll be watching. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
Next week, we're in Hull, the 2017 UK City of Culture. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:58 | |
But we end today with a hymn, a beautiful hymn, | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
from Scotland's capital. Bye for now. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:04 |