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Hello. Whistle Test is in Manchester tonight

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with two equally exciting attractions in the studio,

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Siouxsie and the Banshees and John Cooper Clarke.

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There's also some very rare film of Steely Dan,

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plus that Peter Tosh film

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Mick Jagger promised a couple of weeks ago.

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And it's just possible we might see The Cars this week.

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Around a year ago, the entrance to almost every record company

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in London was aerosoled with the command,

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"Sign the Banshees. Do it now."

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In fact, no-one did for a long time.

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But significantly as soon as Siouxsie was committed to vinyl,

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they had more or less instant success.

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Their first album will be out next Monday and it's entitled The Scream.

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They're here with us tonight to play two tracks from it.

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Firstly, Metal Postcard, Siouxsie and the Banshees.

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# Reunion begins

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# With a glass of mercury

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# Television flickers

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# With another news bulletin

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# Flints light

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# Up the eyes

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# Of the seated family

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# Metal is tough

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# Metal will sheen

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# Metal won't rust

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# When oiled and cleaned

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# Metal is tough

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# Metal will sheen

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# Metal will rule

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# In my master scheme

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# With a clockwork jerk

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# Pluck cogs from fob watches

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# For dinner on Friday

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# Then recoiling say excuse me

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# Must go recycle

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# My precious machinery

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# Metal is tough

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# Metal will sheen

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# Metal won't rust

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# When oiled and cleaned

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# Metal is tough

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# Metal will sheen

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# Metal will rule

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# In my master scheme

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# It's ruling our lives

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# There is no hope

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# Thought I'd drop a line

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# The weather here is fine

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# But day and night it blares

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# Commanding through loudspeakers

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# Metal is tough

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# Metal will sheen

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# Metal won't rust

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# When oiled and cleaned

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# Metal is tough

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# Metal will sheen

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# Metal will rule

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# In my master scheme

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# In my master scheme

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# Metal is tough

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# Metal will clean

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# Metal

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# Metal

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# Come on

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# Metal

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# Come on metal

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# Next time

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# I'll serve

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# Metal. #

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MUSIC: "Jigsaw Feeling" by Siouxsie and the Banshees

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# Send me forward

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# Save my feelings

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# But all the signals

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# Send me reeling

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# Jigsaw feeling

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# One day I'm feeling total

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# The next I'm split in two

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# My eyes are doing somersaults

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# Staring at my shoe

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# My brain is out of my hand

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# There's nothing to prevent

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# The impulse is quite meaningless

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# In a cerebral non-event

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# Send me forwards

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# Say my feelings

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# But all the signals

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# Send me reeling

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# Jigsaw feeling

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# Five fingers do my walking

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# Ten toes unravel knots

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# Amorphous jigsaw pieces

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# Falling into slots

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# Send me forwards

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# Say my feelings

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# But all the signals

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# Send me reeling

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# Jigsaw feeling

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# So I just sit

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# In reverie

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# Getting on my nerves

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# The intangible bonds that

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# Keep me

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# Sitting on the verge

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# Of a breakdown

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# Of a reaction

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# Of a result

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# Defeat me

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# Complete me

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# Maybe

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# Defeat me

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# Defeat me

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# Jigsaw feeling

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# Defeat me. #

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A very powerful debut from Siouxsie and the Banshees.

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Metal Postcard and Jigsaw Feeling from Siouxsie and the Banshees.

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As you may have gathered during the series,

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Bob was pretty knocked out by The Cars when he saw them

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in LA during the summer.

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While he was over there, we shot this film of them

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just prior to their gig at the Roxy.

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Just a yard or two off Sunset Boulevard

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in between the Roxy club here and the Rainbow just behind me.

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And the reason that we're here is that Cars, The Cars, are playing

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the Roxy later on this evening and we're here to film the gig

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-and also talk with Dave and Ric.

-Oh, no.

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And the reason that we're is because really

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it's true to say at the moment that the band is very hot.

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-Oh, yeah. It's hot in there. It's about 98.

-Right.

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But at the same time, the band's been together

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for a relatively short period of time.

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A year-and-a-half. A year-and-a-half.

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How did you come together?

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Well, we knew each other from other bands

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and David being in the Modern Lovers

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and Greg and I and Elliot were in other bands together before.

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But we just decided to make a somewhat serious effort

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of the whole thing.

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So we decided to put ourselves together and go on the road.

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-You recorded the album in London.

-Right, we did.

-Your first LP.

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I was surprised to learn that because you came in very quietly.

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Oh, yeah. We snuck in. Snuck in and snuck out.

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We were at AIR Studios.

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-Recording with Roy Thomas Baker

-Right. Exactly.

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And how did that association come about?

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Roy came to see us at a high-school gig in Boston

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and he was one of the candidates or whatever

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or one of the producers we were interested in talking to so...

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He came and decided he wanted to do it,

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we decided the same

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and we just wanted to go to London and do it.

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We sort of preferred to be disoriented with the whole thing

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so we came to London.

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MUSIC: "My Best Friend's Girl" by The Cars

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# You're always dancing Down the street

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# With your suede blue eyes

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# Every new boy that you meet

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# He doesn't know the real surprise

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# Here she comes again

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# When she's dancing

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# 'Neath the starry sky

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# Yeah, I think you'll flip

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# Here she comes again

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# When she's dancing

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# 'Neath the starry sky

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# I kinda like the way

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# Like the way she dips

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# She's my best friend's girl

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# She's my best friend's girl

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# But she used to be mine

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# You've got your nuclear boots

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# And your drip dry glove

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# When you bite your lip

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# It's some reaction to love

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# O-ove o-ove

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# Here she comes again

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# When she's dancing

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# 'Neath the starry sky

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# Yeah, I think you'll flip

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# Here she comes again

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# When she's dancing

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# 'Neath the starry sky

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# Here she comes again

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# I kind of like the way, like the way she dips

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# She's my best friend's girl

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# She's my best friend's girl

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# But she used to be mine... #

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# ..Oh, right... #

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# ..You're dancing down the street

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# With your suede blue eyes

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# Every new boy that you meet

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# Doesn't know the real surprise

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# Here she comes again

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# When she is dancing 'neath the starry sky

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# Here she comes again

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# Yeah, I think you'll flip

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# Here she comes again

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# When she is dancing 'neath the starry sky

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# Here she comes again

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# I kinda like the way, like the way she dips

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# She's my best friend's girl

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# Well, she's my best friend's girl

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# But she used to be mine

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# So fine

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# Oh, right now

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# My best friend's girlfriend

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# Oh, yeah

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# My best friend's girlfriend

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# She used to be mine

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# My best friend's girlfriend

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# Yeah, yeah

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# My best friend's girlfriend

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# She used to be mine

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# My best friend's girlfriend

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# Yeah, yeah, yeah

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# My best friend's girlfriend

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# Wait, she used to be mine

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# My best friend's girlfriend

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# Oh, yeah

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# My best friend's girlfriend

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# All right, now... #

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One of the main things, obviously, musically,

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that's happened in the UK over the last year,

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18 months or so, has been New Wave.

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I mean, how much has that influenced

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what's been happening in America, David?

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-Zero.

-Zero!

-No.

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No, actually, every major city in this country,

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um...you know, the big ones -

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New York and Boston and even Atlanta, Georgia -

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you know, do have a scene.

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You know, there's a lot of bands, you know,

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that are springing up in all the major cities.

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And just with a new kind of energy.

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Whether it can be called Punk or New Wave, I don't know.

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It's just that there are many more bands right now

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and a lot of them are experimenting

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and the record companies are getting, you know...afraid. You know?

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I think of it, David, to be honest,

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as being, like, New York, San Francisco

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as the two major centres for the New Wave

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and not so much Los Angeles.

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Is that true? Do you think?

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-That's probably true.

-So what's the situation here in LA?

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I don't know! I don't live here.

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I used to but, er... there wasn't much of a local scene

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and that's what it takes to start these new bands.

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-There's a lot of club bands here.

-Hmm.

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But we can see the effect in lots of big cities that we go to.

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The bands, you know, they sound a lot like English New Wave bands.

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They dress like them. We think it's great. It's a positive effect.

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It's put everything back into perspective.

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Where you don't need to be rich.

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All you need is a guitar to start a rock'n'roll band.

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That's the way it started. That's the way it should stay.

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MUSIC: "Just What I Needed" by The Cars

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# I don't mind you coming here

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# Wasting all my time

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# Cos when you're standing oh so near

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# I kinda lose my mind

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# It's not the perfume that you wear

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# It's not the ribbons in your hair

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# And I don't mind you coming here

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# And wasting all my time

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# I don't mind you hanging out

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# And talking in your sleep

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# Doesn't matter where you've been

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# As long as it was deep, yeah

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# You always knew to wear it well

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# And you look so fancy, I can tell

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# And I don't mind you hanging out

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# And talking in your sleep

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# I guess you're just what I needed

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# Just what I needed

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# I needed someone to feed

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# I guess you're just what I needed

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# Just what I needed

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# I needed someone to bleed

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# Yeah, yeah

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# I don't mind you coming here

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# And wasting all my time, time

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# Cos when you're standing oh so near

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# I kinda lose my mind, yeah

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# It's not the perfume that you wear

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# It's not the ribbons in your hair

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# And I don't mind you coming here

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# And wasting all my time

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# I guess you're just what I needed

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# Just what I needed

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# I needed someone to feed

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# I guess you're just what I needed

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# Just what I needed

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# I needed someone to bleed

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# So bleed me... #

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# You're just what I needed

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# You're just what I needed

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# You're just what I needed

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# Yeah, yeah, yeah. #

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Bob Harris and The Cars in Los Angeles.

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And The Cars themselves are here for a tour,

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their first in Europe, in a couple of weeks' time.

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They make their London debut at The Lyceum on the 23rd of this month.

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Now for some more bits of news.

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Muddy Waters, who is supporting Eric Clapton's tour,

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is to headline his own gig at The Rainbow on December 8th.

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Bethnal have added a new date to their tour.

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It's at the Norwich Boogie House on November 19th.

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They've also switched their Brighton Polytechnic gig to Friday 10th.

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Eddie Money, who was due to start his European tour next week,

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has cancelled and, consequently,

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won't be appearing on Whistle Test next Tuesday.

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Thin Lizzy, who are currently on tour in Australia,

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entertained eight girl prisoners -

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what you might call a captive audience -

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who were allowed out of the Tomago Women's Prison

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for one of their concerts

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and afterwards went backstage to meet them.

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And, finally, Sid Vicious's mum has approached The Clash

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about doing a benefit gig to raise money for Sid's legal fees.

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The Clash have agreed and the gig will be in early December,

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after they complete their tour.

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It will be in London but the date and venue have not yet been fixed.

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And now a fascinating piece of film

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believed to be the only footage ever of Steely Dan.

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It's an appropriate time to show it as their record company is releasing

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a retrospective double album of Steely Dan's music,

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including this early track, Reelin' In The Years.

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# Your everlasting summer

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# You can see it fading fast

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# So you grab a piece of something

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# That you think is going to last

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# Well, you wouldn't even know a diamond

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# If you held it in your hand

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# The things you think are precious

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# I can't understand

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# Are you reelin' in the years?

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# Stowin' away the time?

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# Are you gatherin' up the tears?

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# Have you had enough of mine?

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# Are you reelin' in the years?

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# Stowin' away the time?

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# Are you gatherin' up the tears?

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# Have you had enough of mine?

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# You been tellin' me you're a genius

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# Since you were 17

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# In all the time I've known you

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# I still don't know what you mean

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# The weekend at the college

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# Didn't turn out like you planned

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# The things that pass for knowledge

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# I can't understand

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# Are you reelin' in the years?

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# Stowin' away the time?

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# Are you gatherin' up the tears?

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# Have you had enough of mine?

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# Are you reelin' in the years?

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# Stowin' away the time?

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# Are you gatherin' up the tears?

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# Have you had enough of mine...? #

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# I spent a lot of money

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# And I spent a lot of time

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# The trip we made in Hollywood

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# Is etched upon my mind

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# After all the things we've done and seen

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# You find another man

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# The things you think are useless

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# I can't understand

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# Are you reelin' in the years?

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# Stowin' away the time?

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# Are you gatherin' up the tears?

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# Have you had enough of mine?

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# Are you reelin' in the years?

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# Stowin' away the time?

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# Are you gatherin' up the tears?

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# Have you had enough of mine?

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# Are you reelin' in the years?

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# Stowin' away the time?

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# Are you gatherin' up the tears?

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# Have you had enough of mine?

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# Are you reelin' in the years?

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# Stowin' away the tide?

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# Are you gatherin' up the tears?

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# Have you had enough of mine? #

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Steely Dan with Reelin' In The Years.

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As we are in Manchester tonight,

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seems the right time to have John Cooper Clarke on the programme.

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He is from Manchester and first recorded on Rabid,

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the independent Manchester label.

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I think he's one of the most interesting people to have emerged

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over the past 18 months or so,

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and I'm delighted that his talents are becoming more widely known.

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He's doing three numbers tonight.

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The first is I Don't Want To Be Nice.

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Here he comes now!

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# The fast fingers, the expert's eyes

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# And the same old "How d'you do?"

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# Disgust is just, his dumb disguise

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# He wants a word with you

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# His problems are the end

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# The mouth needs exercise

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# The last thing I need is another friend

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# I don't want to be nice

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# I don't want to be nice

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# I think it's clever to swear

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# Better seek some sound advice

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# Or look elsewhere

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# Your face is an obvious case

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# I wouldn't put it about

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# This is neither the time or the space

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# To sort your problems out

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# What you see is what you get

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# You only live twice

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# A friend in need is a friend in debt

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# I don't want to be nice

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# No, we never met before

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# I'm very happy to say

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# Far from perfect strangers

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# I'd like to keep it that way

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# I'm not your psychoanalyst

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# I'd rather talk to mice

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# You're so easy to resist

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# I don't want to be nice

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# I don't want to be nice

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# I think it's clever to swear

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# I would seek some sound advice

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# I would look elsewhere

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# Your face is an obvious case

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# I wouldn't put it about

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# This is neither the time or the place

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# To sort your problems out

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# What you see is what you get

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# You only live twice

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# A friend in need is a friend in debt

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# I don't want to be nice. #

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Kung Fu International, the violins of day-to-day existence.

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Outside the take-away Saturday night

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A bald adolescent, asks me out for a fight

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He was no bigger than a two-bob fart

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He was a deft exponent of the martial arts

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He gave me three warnings

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Trod on me toes, stuck his fingers in my eyes

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And kicked me in the nose

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A rabbit punch made me eyes explode

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My head went dead, I fell in the road

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I pleaded for mercy, I wriggled on the ground

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He kicked me in the balls and said something profound

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Gave my face the millimetre tread

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Stole me chop suey and left me for dead

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Through rivers of blood on fractured bones

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I crawled half a mile to the public telephone

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I pulled the corpse out the call box held back the bile

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And with a broken index finger I proceeded to dial

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I couldn't get an ambulance the phone was screwed

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The receiver fell in half it had been kung fu'd

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A black belt karate cop opened up the door

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Demanding information about the stiff on the floor

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He looked like an extra from Yang Shang Po

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He said, What's all this then? Ah so, ah so, ah so

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He wore a bamboo mask, he was genned on zen

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He finished his devotions and he beat me up again

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Thanks to that embryonic Bruce Lee

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I'm a shadow of the person that I used to be

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I can't go back to Salford, the cops have got me marked

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Enter the dragon, exit Johnny Clarke.

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# Make a date with the blushing brides of Britain

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# The altogether ruder reader's wives

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# Who put down their needles and their knitting

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# At the doorway to our dismal daily lives

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# The fablon top scenarios of passion

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# Nipples peep through holes in leatherette

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# They seem to be saying in their fashion

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# "I'm freezing, Charlie, have ya finished yet?"

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# Cold flesh the colour of potatoes

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# An instamatic living room of sin

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# All the required apparatus

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# Too bad they couldn't get her head in

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# In latex pyjamas with bananas going ape

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# Their identities are cunningly disguised

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# By a six-inch strip of insulation tape

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# Strategically stuck across their eyes

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# Wives from Inverness to inner-London

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# Prettiness and pimples co-exist

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# Pictorially wife-swapping with someone

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# Who's happily married to his wrist. #

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John Cooper Clarke with The Invisible Girls

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and I Don't Want To Be Nice,

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Kung Fu International and Reader's Wives.

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You may remember Mick Jagger on Whistle Test a couple of weeks ago,

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saying he was going off to Jamaica to make a film with Peter Tosh.

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He said at the time that if it happened he'd send us a copy,

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and sure enough, it arrived today. So here it is.

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# If it's love that you runnin' from

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# There is no hiding place

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# Can't run, you can't hide you can't run

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# Just your problems, no-one else's problems

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# You just have to face

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# Can't run, you can't hide you can't run

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# So if you just put your hand in mine

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# We're going to leave all our troubles behind

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# We going to walk and don't look back

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# Don't look back

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# We going to walk and don't look back

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# Don't look back

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# Now if your first lover lets you down

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# There's something that can be done

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Tell them what you going to do.

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# I don't hear your faith in love

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# Remembering what's been done

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# Oh, no

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# So if you just put your hand in mine

0:36:340:36:40

# We're going to leave all our troubles behind

0:36:400:36:43

# We going to walk and don't look back

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# Don't look back

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# Going to walk and don't look back

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# Don't look back

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# Ooh-woo, Ooh-woooo. #

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Woo!

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Ooh!

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# If you just put your hand in mine

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# We're going to leave all our troubles behind

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# We going to walk and don't look back

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# Don't look back

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# Going to walk and don't look back

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# Don't look back

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# Places behind you

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# There to remind you

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# Your first lover broke your heart

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# Something can be done

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# Can't run, you can't hide you can't run

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# I don't hear your faith in love

0:37:500:37:53

# Remembering what's been done

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# No, no, love

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# So if you just put your hands in mine

0:37:590:38:04

# We're going to leave all our troubles behind

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# We going to walk and don't look back

0:38:080:38:12

# Don't look back

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# Going to walk and don't look back

0:38:130:38:16

# Don't look back

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# We going to walk and don't look back

0:38:190:38:21

# Don't look back. #

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How far you been walking, man?

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About...hundred miles.

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You still got a couple hundred more miles to walk, man.

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Yeah, we all got a long way to go.

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-So you better put on your shoes, man.

-I'm putting on me shoes.

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Got one shoe off and one shoe on but I'll get there.

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# We going to walk and don't look back

0:38:430:38:46

# Don't look back. #

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Peter Tosh and Mick Jagger, together in Jamaica,

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and good to see Peter seems to have recovered from his injuries.

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That's it from Whistle Test tonight. Next week, The Buzzcocks,

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and in place of Eddie Money, who was due to appear,

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David Johannsen, ex-lead singer with the New York Dolls,

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in a film we shot this summer in The Toad's Club, New Haven.

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That's New Haven, America.

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See you then. Good night.

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