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join Kathie Kay and Christian Fraser now for our new BBC programme 100

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It is Monday afternoon in Washington - the first working week

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Already there are big changes underway.

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So what will a Trump administration mean for the United States

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With such global upheaval over the past year, we will be

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There will be a new way of doing business in Washington.

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This morning, the President signed an executive order

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withdrawing the United States from the Trans Pacific

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A White House press conference is now underway as the war of words

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between the new administration and the media about the size

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And when it comes to building the wall, can President Trump

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We'll hear from both sides of the border.

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Could President Trump's warming relations with Moscow

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And when it comes to foreign relations, what does

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President Trump's foreign policy mean for Europe and its

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Our new programme dominated by the first few months

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of Donald Trump's presidency, and what kind of changes

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There are big things happening in Europe.

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Upcoming elections, Brexit, the conflict in Syria.

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Over this next 100 days, we will be looking at all of that and how

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the America First policy will re-shape relations

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In this past half hour, Sean Spicer, President's Trump's

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spokesperson, has been speaking to the White House press corp.

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Our Washington reporter Anthony Zurcher is with us.

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I was listening to the beginning of the press conference. It sounded

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like a remarkably normal press conference? It was. This came off

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the hills of Saturday where Sean Spicer stood up and be raided the

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press further coverage of the inauguration. Today, he said he

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would not be as popular as his predecessor, but then he took

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questions from the media. The first question he took was on the wall and

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the promise to begin building the wall. This was a serious priority of

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his throughout the campaign. He is starting to work with Congress on

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the appropriations Avenue. He is doing everything he can to commence

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with that as soon as possible. I couldn't help notice that your key

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missing at the beginning of the press conference. This still feel

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quite awkward. Taking on the press the way they did on Saturday is a

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0-sum game. It might have worked in the campaign but it doesn't work in

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the White House. It is definitely risky. Donald Trump was ranting

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about the press in front of a CIA Memorial. To then have Sean Spicer

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come out and be even more aggressive to the media, leaving without taking

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questions, he became the story through much of the weekend. In most

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traditional White House says, the press secretary does not become the

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story. The president takes the lead. Thank you. We will keep our eye on

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that press conference. Already President Trump has been

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busy signing a series of executive orders,

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certainly more to come through the week, all built on that

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promise to put America on top. In the past couple of hours,

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he signed three of those orders - withdrawing the US from

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the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal, banning American funds

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for international groups that perform abortions and finally

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he has ordered a freeze It is just the start

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of a big agenda. He had promised a slew of executive

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actions to advance his agenda and reverse those of President Obama. He

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has rolled back the health insurance law known as Obamacare. Today, he

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withdrew America from the Trans-Pacific Trade Partnership. He

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says it is key to securing American jobs and economic security. In tone

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and substance, Donald Trump promises to be a very different president

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from his most immediate predecessors. I think he will be

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quite revolutionary. I expect him to place more emphasis on the growth of

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the economy, higher wages and opportunities for people. I'm not

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sure he is going to be trying to seek out compromise. He will try to

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get the job done that he sent to the American people he would do. I

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believe he will be looking after the people he says have been left

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behind. He says his ethos of America first is the scaffolding on which he

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will build his entire agenda. Illegal immigration, tax reform, the

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destruction of Isis, they are all in his immediate sites. We have to

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build a wall, folks. It means making good on his campaign pledge to build

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a wall along the 1900 and mile border with Mexico. Here he could

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meet his first big hurdle. Will Congress really pay for it? Mist

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Trump will need popular support to get these big things done. On

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Saturday, I went down to see the women's march in Washington, where

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it was clear just how unpopular he is. These people are scared and

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angry and determined. Can they stop Donald Trump's agenda? Probably not.

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But in a game that is American politics, ratings are like gambling

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chips. The Republican politicians who sat stony faced at the

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inauguration as mist Trump derided the establishment will give their

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new president a lot of what he wants, in return for the power he

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has given them. Of the fact he is not an ideological conservative

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means the Republican Congress will undoubtedly also run into conflict

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with their president. On infrastructure spending, the notion

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we would spend $1 trillion that would be paid for I think will be

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very difficult for some fiscal conservatives to swallow. For the

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time being at least I think most Republicans, if not all, are

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willing to give the president the benefit of the doubt. Once you get

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out beyond 100 days, when the honeymoon period is over, I think

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some of those divisions will become a little more clear. Mist Trump

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intends to govern as he campaigns, in full flight mode. But he has set

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huge goals for himself and he will need friends and allies to get

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things done. Let's talk to Jan Brewer Republican

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Governor of Arizona from 2009 until 2015 and prominent

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Trump supporter. The Germans and Mexicans have

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already said that if America is going to withdraw from Trans-Pacific

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Trade Partnership, they will seek alliances themselves with some of

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those countries. Is President Trump at risk of alienating just too many

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allies in his protectionist stance? I don't think so. On the campaign

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trail, she was clear he thought it was an unfair partnership, dealing

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with United States and that he was going to resend it. He said he would

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do it immediately. He didn't like the way it was drawn. It is a huge

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document. Who knows what is truly in it. Rework a long time on it, but I

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think we can come back and possibly regroup and continue working, but I

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think he has promised the people of the United States he will resend it

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and he has. He did it as promised. That's what the American people

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wanted. He won overwhelmingly on the electoral real votes in the United

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States. You know that words have consequences. President Trump's

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inaugural address and his promise of America first and his refusal in

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that address to reach out to traditional allies has clearly

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rankled the Germans. Today, the Mexican president said, we will not

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submit to United States. The bottom line is, we know that Mexico is our

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neighbour. I know that Mexico is our neighbour. The coming. We do a lot

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of commerce back and forth. With regards to the wall and to Nafta,

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that needed to be renegotiated. We needed to determine things exactly.

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That all came about in 1990. A lot of things have changed. Donald Trump

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wants to bring it up to date, make it current, make it work for

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everybody. I want to ask you about the other executive order Donald

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Trump signed this morning, banning American federal funds from

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financing international organisations that support abortion.

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Are we in for four years of fights over women's reproductive rights

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issues? Use the protests this weekend. It was a big theme. It was.

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It was quite stunning to see so many people out there protesting are

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demonstrating or whatever you want to call it, on the day after the

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inauguration of the duly elected president. I wish they hadn't done

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it, but these are conjugated issues and abortion has always been very

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volatile in the United States because we have, I would say the

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majority of people, believe they don't support abortion. You know, it

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will be a conflict and it always has been. We are hopeful we will get it

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resolved Donald Trump says he would work towards this direction and

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again delivered on his promise to the people who elected him. Thank

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you. We will speak to you later on in the programme. I just picked up

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on one of the first thing she said to you in that interview, about this

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sense of fairness. She said the trade deals are unfair. That is

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something that played very highly with supporters during the campaign.

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I think this is a core belief of President Trump's. The idea that

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America has been taken for a ride, on trade deals, Nasdaq, China. Also

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Nato. America's allies traditionally have not paid enough on their

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defence bills. I think this underlines his worldview. America

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has done too much since the Second World War to support allies and

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friends and in return has had a bad deal. He will now change all of

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that. And yet you look at his approval ratings and the are some of

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the poorest approval ratings of modern times. He has to get himself

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on the front foot. Used from the press conference, Sean Spicer was

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laying out all these big business leaders coming to them. Presumably,

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behind closed doors, they are really saying this is about job creation.

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Yes, that speech he gave on Friday was a speech all about jobs. What

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Governor Brewer did not mention is that trade is not the big issue

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here. The big issue in American jobs is automation. By some estimates, it

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is for 21. Computers have lost jobs -- four to one. The Syria crisis

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will be one of the big foreign policy issues for the administration

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coming up in these weeks. Right. They will be talking a lot about

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Syria in the coming weeks. Talks ongoing today in Kazakhstan.

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The Syria crisis will be one of the big foreign policy issues

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for the administration these coming weeks.

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Yes, although normally - when it comes to Syria -

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the Americans would be equal partners in the discussions.

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These talks are in the Kazakh capital of Astana, and it's Russia

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Our Chief International Correspondent Lyse Doucet has been

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looking at the shifting geopolitics of the Syrian war.

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This new alliance is reshaping Syria's battlefield.

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President Erdogan and President Putin still back opposing

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Last week, they conducted their first joint bombing raid

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against so-called Islamic State. And last year they work together

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to end the decisive battle for Aleppo, and then brokered

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a Syria-wide ceasefire between president Assad's

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The first game changer, September 2015.

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Russia entered the war, rescuing the Syrian army

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from collapse on key front lines, transforming Russia into Syria's

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most pivotal player in boosting its global stature.

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Its military assets in Syria now include an expanded naval facility

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on the Mediterranean, and a new airbase.

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Last year, Turkey's President Erdogan tilted towards Russia

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and away from the West, including the US.

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Blaming it for the July coup and the rise of IS,

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He still wants President Assad to go, someday, but his main enemy

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in Syria now is Kurdish fighters, linked to Turkey's PKK,

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Turkey sent its own forces across the border last year,

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ostensibly to fight against so-called Islamic State.

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But mainly to halt the advance of Kurdish fighters carving

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Russia accepted Turkey's sway along its border,

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and Turkey pushed rebel groups to pull out of a losing

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And persuaded some to accept a ceasefire, at least for now.

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He says his priority is to work with President Putin,

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to fight IS and other extremists in Syria.

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It's unclear if he will continue to support rebels

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There are other players with other agendas.

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Iran also backs President Assad and is providing an array

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of militias, including Lebanese Hezbollah fighters.

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Gulf states arm the opposition, but their real enemy is Iran.

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Ending this destructive more isn't any easier.

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And, in the end, it is Syrians who will have the final say.

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Thank you both for joining us. Let's talk about Syria for a second. The

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very fact these talks are in a former Soviet republic, rather than

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Geneva, says a lot about the New World order? It doesn't say that

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what's new. I'm not sure anything much has changed because of the

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American election. What it does indicate is how complicated the

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Syrian situation is going to be for Trump because on the one hand he

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said he would like to be closer to Russia. In Syria, he faces a

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coalition of Russia and Iran who are backing a totalitarian dictator. You

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will have to make some decisions about which side he is on.

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On the issue of Iran, that will be the sticky subject. President Putin

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has a close ally in Iran? Yes, and there are close on a number of

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issues. Trump changes his rhetoric from day to day, so it's hard to

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know what he actually cares about, but in some parts of the campaign,

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he indicated he wanted to renegotiate the American nuclear

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arrangement with Iran, and that would have a knock-on effect on

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Russia as well. Are a popping the champagne corks in Russia over the

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inauguration of President Trump? Good evening. The inauguration

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speech and address of Donald Trump was watched by many Russians, of

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course. I must say that experts believe that the speech was rather

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promising. And I would emphasise one thing I find very important. As far

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as foreign policy was concerned, Donald Trump said that America would

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seek friendship and goodwill with all countries of the world. And they

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will do that in understanding that each nation, every nation, has a

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right to put its national interests first. This, to me who has watched

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the mainstream of several decades politicised, good state and rogue

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states, this is promising because it means that Donald Trump at least in

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his vision, in his thought and his mind, is departing from this very

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Trotskyite like foundation of the idea of foreign policy which

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produced the mixture of ideology and Theodore Roosevelt style

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intervention. That is very promising. And that sticks to

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chapter one of the United Nations Charter. That is the problem.

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Treating everybody the same is exactly what is alarming America's

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allies. The comparison he made between Angela Merkel and Vladimir

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Putin. I think we need to step back and think about what it was that

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constituted American power and American influence for so many

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decades. The answer to that was America's system of alliances. These

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were alliances not based merely on national interests or on

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self-interest, but a common sense of security, common and shared values

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and shared economic interests. This was the way in which America has

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exercised power up until now. A few minutes ago, previous guests on your

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programme asked what these alliances brought us, they made America the

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predominant country and gave them the right to set rules. In many

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cases, it meant that America and its allies were able to preserve the

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peace. There has been peace in Europe for many decades. The

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question now is really a bit different from how you have just

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characterised it. The question is, if America withdraws and as a

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Russian colleague has just said, America is not interested in these

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ideals or democracy, then what happens to it alliances? The

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question is, will the liberal and economic order be maintained? Will

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the prosperity that we have known for the last few decades continue?

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That is now the question. I don't think it's in anyone's interests for

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international trade to break down or for international institutions to

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fall apart. I don't think it will be good for anyone. Donald Trump has

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made the point that warming relations is a good thing. We have

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had reports today that Russian jets have been flying in tandem with

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American jets. That has been denied by the American side. I can't think

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of a time... That is not true. I haven't heard anything like that.

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Russian jets became an information, but only that. Let's take it in

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another direction, if that was possible in the fight against

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so-called Islamic state, that would be a good thing, wouldn't it? I'm

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sorry, I think you've fallen for a piece of Russian disinformation.

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It's not true, so why are we talking about it? It has come from the

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Russian side. Is it a possibility? Is it something the two countries

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could work together on? Russia is not really fighting Islamic State,

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it is fighting with Assad against whoever he is fighting. You have to

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be careful. We are supporting the Syrian Army. It can be qualified as

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the only serious force that can be put against Isis. That is why we are

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together. But we would certainly welcome the American I believe it is

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not quite impossible with Donald Trump's vision because America

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happens to isolate herself from stereo. To overcome this, you have

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to participate and then you might influence even Iran. Sorry, but

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America has been in Syria for many months. We have do bring it to an

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end there. Thank you both very much. I have just strayed into the world

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of facts and alternative facts... It does look like that. It is the

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question of what America's rule is going to be. We have had 70 years

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since Pearl Harbor of America leading the world. Talking about

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ideals, talking not necessarily just about America's self-interest. And

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Donald Trump on Friday ended that system. In that process, there are

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going to be some winners, perhaps Moscow, and some losers, perhaps

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Europe. It will be fascinating to watch how this shapes out.

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Yes, Theresa May will be in Washington. She will have spoken to

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other European leaders and it will be talking about Nato and European

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security as well, you would imagine. She has already said she will stand

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up to Donald Trump when she feels she needs to.

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There is more on that story on our website and smart-phone app -

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there's also more from our business team about "Trump-onomics" -

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and what we know so far about the president's economic plans.

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You're watching 100 Days from BBC News.

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Coming up in a few minutes - that wall on the US Mexican border -

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And a stormy start for press relations between Donald Trump's

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We'll speak to the Washington Bureau Chief of USA Today.

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It really has been another day of huge contrast across the UK. Some of

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us have enjoyed some lovely sunshine. It felt really nice out

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there. For others, the fog lingered all day. Temperatures barely above

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freezing. Overnight tonight, fog is the main concern because it is

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already thickening up in some places. Go online for the latest

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updates. Some fog over East Anglia and Lincolnshire. Apple tends to

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clear. Find that, more fog developing. This could be the scene

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first thing tomorrow morning. Very patchy, this fog. Temperatures below

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freezing, quite widely. There will be some brighter areas. Over

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northern England, the fog not so extensive year. Across the border

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into Scotland and Northern Ireland, a different setup. Milder, breezy

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and patchy rain. The rain never really amounting to much. It will

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come and go. The best of the sunshine further south and east.

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Mildest definitely out West. In the east, despite any sunshine, it will

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be chilly. It should shift. The breeze begins to pick up. Some for

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England and Wales. More rain working with intent over the far north-west.

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Further south and east, despite any brightness, it will be a chilly day.

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The stronger wind is coming off a still freezing continent. In actual

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fact, Thursday could be an especially chilly day. Temperatures

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in some spots will not get much above freezing. A very cold Thursday

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to come. President Donald Trump has

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signed an executive order withdrawing the United States

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from the Trans Pacific After after a row on "alternative

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facts" and the size of the crowd at the inauguration,

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we'll speak to a veteran member During the election,

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Donald Trump said that on his first day as President work would begin

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"on an impenetrable, physical, So what's going to happen

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to that bold pledge? In a moment we'll be speaking

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with a former Arizona Governor and prominent Trump supporter,

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we'll also hear from a Mexican Senator, but first,

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a little more detail on the wall Donald Trump's plan to build

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a wall is a cornerstone During the campaign,

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he said he wanted it to be "an impenetrable,

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physical wall" on We need the wall, and

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the border patrol... He pledged construction

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would begin on day one. We haven't seen the builders in yet,

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but some of those close to him say they have an idea of what it

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will look like. Donald Trump said the wall

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would be 1,000 miles long, 35 to 40 feet high, and would look

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as good as a wall is going to look. There's already a barrier,

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which runs along nearly a third of the border,

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and that was built after We don't know if President Trump

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will add to what's already there or knock it down

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and start again. Donald Trump said the wall

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would cost around $8 billion. Some engineers believe the price tag

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would be much higher. And, having promised

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Mexico would pay for it, Donald Trump recently announced

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that the US would initially fund it and recoup the costs

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from Mexico later. Whether its a tax or whether it's

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a payment, but it will happen. Building a wall was Donald Trump's

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first campaign promise, and with this pledge,

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we'll actually be able to see Well within the last hour,

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Mexico's president said his country is now obliged to take steps

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to defend its interests, given America's new position

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on things like the Trans-Pacific Let's talk to Jan Brewer -

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she was the Governor of Arizona from 2009 until 2015 -

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and from Mexico City, You have been a supporter of this

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war but as we have seen in European countries when you build a wall in

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one place, migrants seem to find a pesky way of coming into another

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entrance, wouldn't that just happen here? We absolutely need to address

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the issue of illegal immigration as it is coming into our country and

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Arizona has been the gateway for all of the illegal immigration for

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immigrants coming in for work but also for the drug cartels and we are

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fed up. We had to deal with the president that turned a blind eye to

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all of that and wouldn't listen and would protect us and we inherited

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all the drug trafficking, the extortion, the kidnappings, the

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decimation of our deserts, we gateway so we applaud Donald Trump,

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President Trumper in his campaign speeches that he said he would

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secure the border and build the wall. Whether he can build the wall

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completely, all the way, 1000 miles I don't know but we can secure that

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border and that is what we need to do. We need the wall and they need

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to come in legally and we need to to come in legally and we need to

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know who is leading our country. -- leaving. The other half is that

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Mexico would pay for the war. The Mexicans have made it clear they

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have no such intentions and there are moves in the Mexican parliament

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talking about this and they say they will not pay for the wall so America

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won't end up paying billions of dollars for this? I still think we

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have a way to go to determine just exactly how this will

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how it will be paid for. President how it will be paid for. President

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Trump said Mexico would pay for it so as we move to this process in the

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next few days or next few weeks, we may come up with a solution but we

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certainly aren't going to pay it on our behalf and I'm looking forward

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to hearing the solution and maybe something can be negotiated between

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the Mexican government and the the Mexican government and the

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United States government but we want our border secured. That's it. We

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are further, we are tired and we're not going to tolerate it. That was

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one of the biggest reasons why Donald Trump won an election

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present of the United States. I have present of the United States. I have

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been on the battlefield from the very beginning. Doing what the

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federal government was charged to do I had to do that, it didn't do their

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job, they did not do their job. And it got out of hand. You will know

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that a significant number of the immigrants in the United States came

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in with a valid visa through the airport and they simply never left,

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overstaying their visa. I agree that there is also a multitude of them

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who have coming across the border and I will agree that they come and

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they want to come to work some of them, but along with all of the

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people that are coming in illegally comes the drug cartel and all of the

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drugs and the extortion and the drop houses and it's costing Arizona a

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fortune. I have to pay for their education, health care and

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incarceration. Governor Brewer, one thing we have noticed is that when

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the Mexican economy is doing well, the Mexican economy is doing well,

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few people cross the border through Arizona, up until 2014 we saw a

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decline in the number of Mexicans coming across, when the Mexican

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economy is doing badly, the number of people trying to get their rises.

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Isn't there here and knock on potentially of President Trump's

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policy of closing American factories in Mexico, driving down the Mexican

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migrants to come across the border migrants to come across the border

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not discourage them. President Trump has listened to the people of the

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United States and it is about them. He has been very clear and very

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strong, it is about the United States of America and we want to

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work with everybody. It has to be working together with third deals.

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It has to be handled appropriately. I think that the president believes

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as well as many other people in the United States that we have been

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taken advantage of over and over again. And it's destroying our

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economy. It is absolutely devastated certain areas of our country and we

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are tired of it. We're not going to tolerate it any more and that is why

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he won overwhelmingly the electoral votes. People want somebody that

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will stand up for us for a change. I agree we have to work with our

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allies, we have to have the commerce and trade going back and forth, but

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I'm anxiously awaiting just to see exactly what they can come up with.

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What is the real solution? Thank you so much for joining 100 Days.

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We are going to finish Christian - with some discussion on the other

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And that is the barrier between the White House

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They build up pretty quickly, fair to say the relationship has not

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gotten off to the best of starts, the row over the weekend has been

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the relationship goes from here the relationship goes from here

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because while we have been on air, Sean Spicer of the communications

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director has answered the question about his integrity and telling the

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truth, let's have a listen to see if he a more cordial. There are times

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when we believe something to be true or we get something from an agency

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or we act in haste because the information available was in

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complete but our desire to communicate with the American people

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to make sure you have the complete story at the time so we do it, but

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again, when you look, we will do our best every time we can. I will come

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and if we make mistakes I will do and if we make mistakes I will do

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the best to correct them. As I mentioned the other day, it is a

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two-way street, there are many mistakes of the media make all the

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time, they misreport something, they don't report something, they get a

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factual, that is not to turn around and say you are intentionally lying.

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I think we'll try to do our best job and do it with a degree of integrity

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in our respective industries. Shaun Spicer there. Joining us now is

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Susan Page, a former president of the White House correspondence and

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is now Paul Simpson chief for USA Today. Put this in some kind of

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historic perspective for us. You have covered campaigns, have you

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ever seen anything like this in ever seen anything like this in

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terms of the relationship with the press? This is my sixth presidents I

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have seen them come and go and all of them at some point or another

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have tough relationships with the press. Especially when they get in

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trouble, you think about the impeachment of President Clinton for

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instance. Or during the war accusations of the misuse of

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intelligence information, the bad intelligence that got us into the

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war in Iraq said there were times when the White House has had bad

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relations which covers them everyday. What is unusual is that

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from the start. After a campaign from the start. After a campaign

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which has been contentious. What is unusual is the way the president has

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questioned the motives of the press. Basically accusing them of wilfully

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misrepresenting things, Miss reporting things to make him look

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bad, that is unusual. What you think the press needs to do now that

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President Trump is an office about the issue of alternative facts,

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falsehoods, distortions, lies, whatever you want to name them

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because it does seem that this is a campaign that has frequently put out

:40:52.:40:55.

information that is provably not true. And what's also is that trust

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in the mainstream media has declined in this country is faith in other

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institutions here has declined. We have to get up every day and do the

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best job we can to be as accurate and factual as possible and one of

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the main things we do when it comes to holding the government

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accountable is pointing out when things are factually inaccurate.

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That is going to be a big part. Isn't there a danger that the press

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puts itself in a right from the start of being the opposition? Not

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the opposition and our obligation to correct inaccuracies goes to both

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sides, it goes to Democrats on the hill and people marching in the

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women's march on Washington and see people at the inauguration so it is

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abroad obligation. But it is especially critical I think in

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covering a president especially a president were all kinds of policies

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are being set. Thank you. This is going to be an interesting

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relationship between the press and the White House because there is a

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risk we get into the position where we spend our whole time talking

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about things like crowd sizes and the onus will be on the press there

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to talk about policy as well and what is happening what is not just

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being said. They'll have to pick their way through the facts and

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alternative fax. A reminder that you can

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follow us on social media Join us at the same time tomorrow,

:42:19.:42:20.

when we'll be looking at what the new China America

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relationship might look like under President Trump.

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And a busy day tomorrow for the British Prime Minister -

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the Supreme Court will be handing down its ruling on whether Theresa

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May needs parliament's assent Just before we go, if you want

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to join in the discussion tonight, I will be on the BBC's Facebook Live

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page straight after the programme.

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