07/03/2017 100 Days

US intelligence is firmly under the spotlight.

Today Wikileaks publishes thousands of unverified documents that

apparently expose how the CIA hacks smart phones and televisions.

On this data breach and the President's claim

that his phones were tapped, we'll speak to the former head

Republicans reveal their plan for American health care,

but conservative critics just say it's "Obamacare-lite."

The accidental face of protest against President Trump.

We speak to the woman behind the icon.

The expression itself of the photo you can see it right there. You're

not going to move me from here. I'm not going to be moved.

In the UK, the government suffers another defeat

The Lords want parliament to be given a bigger say on any

In France, while Fillon flounders, Marine is on the march.

Can the Front National achieve the unthinkable

The US intelligence agencies are facing fresh embarrassment

after WikiLeaks published what it claims is its biggest-ever

file of confidential documents from the CIA.

It apparently reveals some of the tools the agency uses

to break into smart phones, communication apps

The documents, which have not yet been independently verified,

would seem to focus on the techniques for hacking,

including information on how the CIA collaborated with British

intelligence in finding ways to compromise smart televisions.

BBC Newsnight's Diplomatic Editor is Mark Urban.

This leak is dubbed the old Severn Bridge is a mysterious name but

raises questions about the inability of the spy agencies to protect

documents in the digital age. Yes, it's a term WikiLeaks is used. Not a

CIA term. They claim to have a trove of hacking tools which are being

used by the CIA, extraordinary. Two warnings, the documents appear to be

in an HTML format, easily to edit, they could put things in and distort

the meaning of some of those documents. The other, of course, is

the timing is rather strange because resident trumpets under such

pressure on the Russian problem at the moment for people are asking

about the question of the timing but let's assume it's genuine. A big

community of the USA have top secret clearance, more than 800,000, a

consequence of 911, the need to share intelligence after that but

the more you share it, the more you open yourself up to the possibility

that someone can do something catastrophic by way of a leak. From

some of the report about these leaks, it reads like a rather bad

spy novel. Let's dig a little bit into what is in them, what it tells

us about what the CIA is capable of doing. Katty, if you are a novelist

and you like the wilderness of mirrors concept of espionage, not

knowing anything any more, this leak is bad news. Definitely confirming

that paragon. We learn from it that the CIA has Bridge group, which

takes malware and hacking techniques from other people, known groups of

hackers, and uses it to make CIA hacks deniable. Apply that technique

to a much larger base, on the assumption that a lot of the CIA's

owner hacking techniques have been compromised as a result of this

leakage, and you have a world in which the attribution of who did

something, how important is that in the context of those Democratic

National committee hacks we saw in the election in the USA, the

attribution becomes less and less certain since everyone could be

trading or using different hacking tools and there would be less of a

signature to anyone country's cyber attacks. OK, Mark, thanks very much,

lot to talk about. So lots to speak about with

the former CIA director and former Thanks for joining us. Listening to

what Mark was saying about these latest releases from WikiLeaks, how

damaging is this to the CIA? First of all, Katty, I have got to say I

only know what I'd just heard and quickly read in a few news reports,

the agency has not yet confirmed or denied the authenticity so I've got

to put that out there full stop now, if what I have read is true, then

this seems to be an incredibly damaging leak in terms of the

tactics, techniques, procedures and tools that were used by the Central

intelligence agency to conduct legitimate foreign intelligence, in

other words, it's making my country and my country's friends laissez.

What you do about people inside the intelligence community, 800,000 with

top security clearance, 21,000 in the CIA alone, someone somewhere got

hold of these documents and decided to pass on. How do you stop that

happening? That appears to be the story, Katty. I don't want to jump

to conclusions. Let's see how this plays out. There are other

possibilities but let's take that as a working hypothesis and you've

raised an incredibly difficult question. Just the sheer number, how

do you make sure everyone of them remains a loyal American citizen,

the British security services and so on. Beyond that, Katty, there is

another dynamic at work here. In order to do this kind of stuff we

have to recruit from a certain demographic and I don't mean to

judge them at all. A group of millennials, and related groups, who

simply have different understandings of the words loyalty, secrecy and

transparency than certainly my generation did and so we bring these

folks into the agency, good Americans, I can assume, but again,

culturally, they have different instincts than the people who made

the decision to hire them and we may be running into this different

cultural approach that we saw with Jason Manning, Edward Snowden and

now with a third actor. OK, pesky millennials for sublets talk about

someone older than that, president Tom. And his accusation that

President Obama tapped as phone -- President Trump. You have suggested

this as a presidency manufacturing crises. When there is a real crisis,

and you know from being in the CIA, crisis will hit from North Korea or

somewhere else, is this administration in a position to deal

the crisis right now? You've asked my opinion and, from the outside

looking in, and I stand to be corrected by my very good friends

who have senior positions inside the Trump administration but, right now,

no, we don't. The metaphor I use is we are out there for the pre-game

warm up before a football game and we are chaotic just trying to loosen

up our muscles. The other team hasn't even gotten onto the field

yet and no one is kicked a football. This is self-imposed. Unforced

errors. And contention before any foreign actor has seriously tried to

threaten us with provocation. So I am somewhat concerned. It may turn

out that, once you have got an external enemy on which to face,

some of this internal self-imposed chaos will die down but, so far, not

looking good. General Hayden Comet Christian Fraser in London. I'm

interested in what you are saying there. Are you suggesting this

president doesn't have the temperament you would want in a

commander-in-chief? I commented on that in the campaign, Christian. You

can see what happens if a man becomes president, how then does he

adapt to the demands of the office and, so far, I don't think it's an

fair to say he seems to be trying to reshape the mores of the office

rather than reshaping himself to the traditional mores we have seen from

other presidents. Let me just add, he is selected incredibly

powerfully, strong team of individuals. The National Security

adviser, it's hard to picture about a group of Americans on which the

president could rely. And now the question simply becomes, will the

president rely on this group of Americans? One other thing,

Christian. We've got a whole bunch of folks not present for duty. About

500-600 political appointees, who need confirmation from Congress and

the Federal bureaucracy. Congressmen are slow in confirming that the

administration has been incredibly slow in nominating. They've only

nominated 40 or 50 so here we have the president complaining that the

bureaucracy is not responding but he doesn't have his political

appointees in place to guide the bureaucracy according to his wishes.

One other thing I want to talk to about, Christopher Steele, the

former MI6 operative who put together the so-called dodgy

dossier, he has reappeared today. We thought he was in hiding. He

appeared in Belgravia in London and was doorstep by a journalist and

said he was back at work. As the former director of the CIA, is he

someone you would want to speak to face-to-face? Do you think that

might have already happened? Maybe you could comment on what you think

about this dossier and what we found out about it. Sure, I suspect it's

already happened because the offer the dossier to the USA and frankly

out of a sense of concern, not out of any business model he was

pursuing. He'd already been paid for his work by other folks. I've been

told by my British friends that he was a solid MI6 officer, so he's put

together this report. What it is we now need to do, Christian, if this

was an American intelligence product, we would have its stamp on

the top of the page, this is raw information, not finished

intelligence. The way you get it to finish intelligence is you look at

each data point and each source and you look at them and say, would be a

source logically be expected to know this? Has this source reported

reliably to us in the past? Do we have other bits of information that

confirm or deny this particular piece? And you work your way slowly

through the entire document. Now you're moving in the direction of

something you would call intelligence rather than raw

information. I think his participation in that would help

make the process faster and more accurate. It's really fascinating

talking to you. Thank you very much for talking to us. Come and talk to

us again in the future. Director-general Michael Hayden.

The author of Playing to the Edge - American Intelligence

Worth a read. He said the rub people working in the intelligence agencies

at the moment with different interpretations of loyalty, secrecy,

transparency. I was really struck by that because, really, that has been

the theme of the first 50 days of this presidency? Yes, you mentioned

Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden and the CIA is going to look into

and try to find out who is behind this latest dump to WikiLeaks of CIA

documents. But the problem here is broader and the general was hinting

at it, the breakdown, frankly, in relationships between this White

House and the intelligence community and, at some point, the White House

will need the intelligence community and will need them to give them an

analysis and information and if the White House carries on its war with

US intelligence is not going to get the level of cooperation it might

need at some future date. Yes, and the outside world looking in has

concerns as we expressed. Republicans have been itching to get

rid of Barack Obama's health care reforms ever since they became

law in 2010. Now they have their man

in the White House and a golden chance to replace what became

known as Obamacare. But their own proposals

haven't exactly received Some Republicans fear people on low

incomes could lose their insurance. Others, who were hoping

for something more radical, have dismissed the plans as

Obamacare-lite. Rajini Vaidyanathan's been looking

at the new Health Care Bill. I am also calling on this Congress

to repeal and replace Obamacare. APPLAUSE

What does a replacement for Obamacare look like?

Some things have stayed the same. You're still entitled to coverage if

you have a free existing medical condition and you can stay on your

parents insurance up until the age of 26. There's also no limit on how

much insurers will pay out for medical bills over a person's

lifetime. But here are some of the key changes. Is no lorry compulsory

to sign up for health insurance so individuals and businesses won't get

find any more if they don't take out health insurance policies. Instead,

if they let their plan laps, they could face surcharges and up to 30%

from their insurers. Government subsidies for health care are out

and tax credits are in. This time they are based on your age rather

than your income. But the expansion of Medicaid, the government funded

programme which rubs people on low incomes or disabilities, will be

stopped. And women's health clinics like planned parenthood will no

longer receive government funding unless they agree to stop performing

abortions. Likewise, if you could health policy which covers

abortions, you won't get a tax credit. So some of the core

components of Obamacare will remain in this replacement, but the

government's role in subsidising health care has been stripped down.

We still don't know how this new plan will affect access to health

care, or its cost. Well among the congressman

on the committee which will first consider this bill

is Republican Buddy A short time ago I spoke

to him on Capitol Hill. Congratulations, you've now released

the Republicans health care plan but there seems to be a hitch which is a

lot of Republicans don't like it, you have a string of conservative

think tanks and saves no good, members of your own caucus, your own

Republican study committee, and Senator Mike Leigh, a Republican,

who says this is exactly the kind of backroom dealing week criticised

Democrats for. How are you ever going to get this past? Keep in mind

our whole goal was to produce something more accessible, more

affordable and is patient centred. I'm really happy with the plan we

have, are there parts of it I would like to see go further? Sure, that's

always going to be the place but overall, it offers the opportunity

to have affordable and accessible patient centred health care. You

can't be thrilled with the opposition to it from within your

own party. We haven't even got to Democrats yet. We never expected to

have cooperation from the Democrat anyway so that's beside the point

but, yeah, there are those in our party who are concerned and we are

going to mark this bill up to committee and see if there are

things we can improve upon and, if not, we will put forward the best

bill we can for the American people. We've got to do something. Obamacare

is collapsing, failing, and this is something we couldn't have sit

around and let it lapse on its own but we decided to do the responsible

thing and decided to be proactive and to go in and help and fix the

health care system that's what we're trying to do here, bring the free

market back into the health care system. Obamacare now becomes Trump

care, and that means the Republican party is America's health-care

system politically, not without hurdles for you, not without

potential dangers? And that's OK. Look, the most important thing here

is to make sure that we repair the health care system which has been

destroyed by Obamacare. That's the most important thing. Yeah, we are

taking a risk, we understand that, and that's part of our

responsibility. 22 million people now have insurance who didn't and

Obamacare is polling more popular than it ever has done. Look what is

happening. I can't understand how you can look at what happened just

this weekend in Tennessee where you had 16 counties which don't have a

carrier whatsoever. You have five states in our country which have one

insurance security there and that's not competition. That's not what is

going to bring down health care costs and give people choice is.

Congressmen, let me go global on this because there seems to be the

quandary repeated American administration tried to fix and just

don't manage to. Other Western countries have health care systems

that cost a lot less and proved to be a lot more popular than the

American one. Why is this so difficult for the United States to

get right? Well, it's not difficult. I would sue the two that we have the

greatest health care system in the world, there's nowhere else you'd

want to be if you're thick of an American. If you have insurance. It

needs to be patient centred and affordable but Obamacare put

barriers between patients and the medical profession and that's what

we've got to make sure we do, make it more patient centred, and if you

look at you'll see we are increasing health savings, giving tax credits

to people in order to buy insurance. We want to make sure people have

control over the health care, not this cookie cutter approach from

Washington which says we know best. We are going to tell you what you

need to do with your health care. Health care is very personal and

people want to have control over their health care. OK, Buddy Carter,

thank you very much for joining me. Plenty of contentious debate in the

UK Parliament and Congress. I keep telling you, Katty,

the UK is on the verge But parliament is still voting

on the legislation that would There was another vote in the upper

chamber tonight the Lords on the Brexit Bill which could upset

the timetable a little. Let's discuss it with our chief

political correspondent Vicki Young. So they have voted, overwhelmingly,

to give Parliament more say on a deal but this is an amendment which

now has to go back to the Congress, so at this ping-pong goes on but in

the Commons in the Lords. Who winds? That's a very good question but the

Prime Minister has said she wants to trigger those Brexit negotiations by

the end of March. Downing Street had insisted all along she will be able

to do that but the problem is there are some MPs in the Anderlecht House

of Lords who want to attach conditions on her before she goes

into those negotiations. One of those, defeat the House of Lords

inflicted on the government last week, was about giving EU citizens

who live in Britain, 3 million of them, the right to stay here. To do

that unilaterally. Tonight they just inflicted a second defeat because

they say Parliament must have what they call a meaningful vote at the

end of the process so Theresa May will go off and have these

negotiations may be for two years with other EU leaders and come at

the end of it, what Parliament is saying is that they must have a

meaningful vote, and to be allowed to accept or rejected the deal she

comes back with. The government is having none of it and say they don't

want this to happen, it's a single bill which should not be changed,

and they have promised a vote that they don't want it put into law

force of what happens next week is a ping-pong at a goes on House of

Lords just over there down there to the House of Commons and we'll have

to see if MPs agreed with the House of Lords or whether they decide to

go along with a government. Without the sea in the next few days if

there's any sign of a rebellion amongst the MPs in Theresa May's

party. Well summed up, thank you for the moment. We will get there,

Katty. I believe you, Christian. It's not been the best day

for President Trump's new Secretary Yes, Ben Carson has been heavily

criticised for referring to slaves brought from Africa

to the US as immigrants. It's what America is about. A land

of dreams and opportunity, there were other immigrants who came here

at the bottom of slave ships who worked even harder and longer for

less. But they too had a dream. That one day their sons, daughters,

grandsons, great grandsons, great granddaughters, might pursue

prosperity. It's just painful. The civil rights organisation,

the NAACP, tweeted simply - Let me also show you this

from the Anne Frank Center "#BenCarson you really think

slaves were immigrants? Maybe HUD needs another

doctor in the house. @POTUS @realDonaldTrump

@WhiteHouse" And then this from Samuel L Jackson who was more

to the point . - There were some rather more choice

words in there as well, This is family viewing so we have

taken those out. Samuel L Jackson, you will remember him from pulp

fiction and he's in a movie coming up on King Kong, but he also was not

a very happy with the way this is going.

It's a question of competency full study should never have said that.

No, I noticed that last tweet was more polite than the one eyesore. --

I saw. Now the tours of the White

House restarted today. They are normally postponed either

side of the inauguration, and look who the first

guests came across. What a surprise for

the group of tourists. He even singled out one boy

for a hug and a photograph. That was 10-year-old Jack Cornish

who's from Birmingham in Alabama. It is of course the message for the

rest of the country but I'd just want to show you something else,

Katty. How Eagle eyed are our viewers? As he came round that

screen, who do you think were sitting there on his right shoulder?

Have a look at that portrait. I know, you have to wonder whether

somebody in his advance team didn't tell him that when he got there he

would be right in front of a picture of none other than Hillary Clinton

on the wall. He can't lose her. Shoes on his shoulder all the time.

Hillary Clinton in the portrait. At least she's still there. Maybe she's

just part of the furniture, I don't know. She still up there on the wall

and was of course an important part of the White House history so she

remains there. You have to wonder, we've not heard much from Hillary

Clinton recently or Barack Obama, but you must wonder what she makes

of this. We talk a lot about how the press might be blowing this out of

proportion and we're talking about chaos but we just have the former

director of the CIA on the programme saying that the United States, under

this administration, is not prepared and ready to face an international

threat to this country. That's not us, that somebody who knows

intelligence and what it means to deal with national security. You

have to wonder what Hillary Clinton might be thinking. Yes, a penny for

those thoughts. You're watching 100

Days from BBC News. Still to come for viewers on the BBC

News Channel and BBC World News, as the French presidential campaign

of one contender collapses around him, how much of a boost

is that for the far-right hopeful We hear from one of her

closest political allies. Why this image continues

to inspire people all around the world more than a decade

after the photo was taken. That's still to come

on 100 Days from BBC News. After a fine day across many parts

of the UK, a spell of rain to come overnight and some of it will be on

the heavy side. After it's gone through we begin a push of mild air

in across the UK said temperatures widely into double figures, some

into the mid teens but, yes, that comes after a spell of rain. Here is

sunshine, partly cloudy skies and West Yorkshire Police cloud around

in Cornwall, closer to the Atlantic frontal system which is coming in.

Son in Cornwall, Western Scotland, saw rain this afternoon. As it

pushes east across the UK, and the night goes on, freshening wind. The

higher you are in northern England, especially into Scotland, some snow

for a time. For many of us, it will dry up later in the night but rain

and showers into northern Scotland and temperatures are bit up-and-down

overnight. It is going to be milder than it was last night so why will

take you to 8am, strong to gale force winds in northern Scotland.

50-60 mph gusts and plenty of showers moving through some of those

heavy. Not many reaching the Southern belt. Northern Ireland,

England, dry with sunny spells throughout the day. North Wales and

the Midlands should brighten up through the day but to the south of

that, South Wales, the Midlands, East Anglia and southern England it

will be mainly cloudy and there will be outbreaks of rain during the day.

Pulses of energy working along so although it's not going to be

raining all the time, there will be spells of rain moving through with

dry interludes. You can see where the best of the sunshine will be

across northern England, North Wales and Northern Ireland. Good sunny

spells and Northern Ireland. Showers moving across Scotland. Temperatures

in double figures, particularly with sunshine, and that will make for a

present-day. Wednesday evening, still outbreaks of rain affecting

southern England and still showers in northern Scotland and it could

well be first thing on Thursday before they ease. Not so wet in

southern England but mainly cloudy for Southern counties. Rain in the

far south-west of many places dry, bright and sunny on Thursday.

Looking ahead to Friday, it is still mild but, by Friday, plenty of cloud

around for the weekend and it's looking unsettled.

Welcome back to One Hundred Days with Katty Kay in Washington -

Christian Fraser's in London. Our top story - Wikileaks publishes

thousands of unverified documents that apparently expose how the CIA

The former head of the intel agency, General Michael Hayden,

If what I have read is true, then this seems to be an incredibly

damaging leak in terms of the tactics, techniques and procedures

and tools that were used by the Central intelligence agency to

conduct legitimate foreign intelligence. In other words, it has

made my country and the friends of my country, less safe.

And coming up - the poster girl of protest -

why this image continues to inspire people all around the world.

Latest polls from France suggest that the independent politician

the far right candidate Marine Le Pen is still just ahead

of the centrist candidate Emmanuel Macron in the run up

to the first round of next month's French election.

Victory for Le Pen would be a historic moment -

not since 2002 has the far right got through to the second and final

Bruno Gollnisch, who lost out to Marine Le Pen

for the leadership of the party, now represents them

And I've been speaking to Mr Gollnisch from our studio in Paris.

Thank you for being with us. The front Nationale is riding high in

the polls but when we look at the polls it suggest that you will be

defeated in the next round by either Emmanuel Macron or Francois Fillon.

Yes, but one can say that the campaign did not really begin yet.

There were all these problems involving scandals or so-called

scandals and so on. I think when it will come to the comparison of the

programmes of each candidate, it will change and if everybody thinks

and the polls that you mention, say that Marine Le Pen will stand for

the final round, for example, if she is opposed to Emmanuel Macron,

Emmanuel Macron will have to defend his proposals and I think it will

appeared very clearly that it is the really interesting debate between, I

would say, globalism on one side, Emmanuel Macron, and defending

independence, freedom and national identity on the other side. How do

you think the election of Donald Trump, particularly the policies he

is pushing, how do you think that is changing the political debate in

France? We are not vessels of Mr Trump. But we are happy with his

election. First of all, because he won the election against the

political establishment. There is a difference of course, because for

many people however much Marine Le Pen has tried to rebrand your party,

for many people, the party as nationalists, far right, it is

racist and it has some pretty unsavoury people amongst its

supporters. Well, I cannot understand that. People believe, if

they follow, if they read the Guardian or the independent, and

newspapers like that, but it is not true, we are not racist, there are

people from various origins and from French areas, even people who have

been elected, people from different religions, there are Jewish people,

Muslims in our ranks. You want a Muslim band? No, we do not want to

ban the Muslim religion, but we want to ban radical Islamists, that is

for sure. Over the future be for France if the national front won?

Marine Le Pen stated very clearly, we want to reverse the actual trend

of the European Union, that is absolutely crazy, tried to build the

kind of a Euro aquatic superstate, which the people do not want. Thank

you very much for your time. You are welcome. That was fascinating. I

want to ask you a question that relates both to Emmanuel Macron and

Marine Le Pen. It seems to be emerging that one of the biggest

issues in this campaign, as it was in the United States and the Brexit

vote is the issue of immigration. At one point does Emmanuel Macron have

to take a clear stand on the immigration issue if he is going to

carry supporters with them? At the moment it seems like he is trying to

please everyone on an issue where it is impossible to do that. I think

their national front will try and focus minds if they get through to

the second round. They are seen success in some of their oral

heartlands, informing territories, in places that you and I both go to

on our summer holidays, these places where we have seen people disappear

from villages. It is those kinds of villages, they might be busy in the

summer but in the winter they are empty, where business disappears

where they are doing well. Yes, I think Emmanuel Macron is going to

have to put on record, more than he has put out so far in this

manifesto. He is an untested element in this election. These are two

outsiders, we got rid of the President and former Prime Minister

she have the experience and the question is although the polls say

it is 60-42 Emmanuel Macron if he gets through, but can she highlight

some of the things were potentially he is a lot weaker and potentially

immigration is one of those issues. I think you have just given away our

holiday sick is there. They all know that we go to the south of France

now. Sorry about that. Not together, by the way!

In Iraqi, elite forces fighting the so-called Islamic State say

they've captured key buildings in the city of Mosul.

These pictures come from the city centre and show Iraqi forces

The army says it's recaptured the main government complex,

the central bank and the museum, where three years ago the militants

The Iraqi Prime Minister said he planned to visit Washington later

this month. The US has begun deploying missile system in Korea.

It is designed to shoot down incoming missiles. China warned it

would take unspecified action against it over fears that the

system 's radar would see deep into its own territory.

A post-mortem into the death of the singer George Michael has

found that he died of heart disease and a fatty liver.

The singer-songwriter, who sold tens of millions

of records around the world, was found dead at his home

And an incredible picture to share with you.

This comes from Australia where a Sydney ferry worker captured

the moment a giant wave hit his vessel as it

Amateur photographer Haig Gilchrist posted the picture to Instagram,

and it's been a social media hit ever since.

Back in January Munira Ahmed became the face of resistance

The image of her wearing a hijab made from the Stars and Stripes

of the American flag was seen in marches across the US

That's despite the picture being taken more than a decade ago.

We've been speaking to Munira about how it feels to be

To me, the picture represents empowerment. It represents

inclusion, it represents America. The original photo was shot in 2007.

The concept behind the original photo was to shoot a Muslim woman

wearing a hijab but instead of the fabric of a normal non-print fabric,

the fabric was an American flag. To have it shot in the proximity of

ground zero at a time when there was still a lot of questioning of the

allegiance of Muslim Americans. As someone who is American and as

someone who is a Muslim, that concept seemed the most visually

compelling image of a Muslim woman. Whether I choose to wear a hijab or

not is not really relevant at that point. I feel a connection to that.

The photographer contacted me, basically a month before the

inauguration, early December and he said, so that famous photograph of

hours, and artists contacted me to try and recreate it. I did not know

how prominently it would become. I was down in DC and I went to a

rally. Every shade and every gender using this as their protest image.

They could have used so many other protest images but they decided to

use this all over the world. I liked that it is the protest image, but it

is not a partisan ideal. It is just what this country represents. Even

if I did not know that that was me, I think I still would have felt

proud of a Muslim woman being depicted so positively, it is

necessary for a lot of people to see. At that moment, I thought

things might not be so bad after all! The expression itself, in the

photo, you can see right there, you're not going to move me from

here. I am not going to be moved. Munira Ahmed speaking about becoming

the image of protest. It is unfortunately political, but it has

become an issue of Democrats versus Republican.

Now remember the row about the size of the crowds attending President

Yesterday the National Parks Service, in response to a freedom

of information request, released a series of photos taken

that day, as well as corresponding photos from President Obama's

We can show you two of them on screen now.

On the left is a photo from 2009 while on the right

Let me remind you of what Donald Trump said about these pictures a

few weeks ago. We had a massive fields of people. Packed. I get up

this morning and I turn on one of the networks and they showed an

empty field. I said, wait a minute, I made a speech, I looked out, the

field looked like a million, 1,000,000 and a half people, they

showed a field... He was not happy. In fairness, it was raining, it was

a different day and he makes that point and when he is looking out, he

can probably only see crowds. The photographs come out after he made

that statement. I think we just have to let those photographs speak for

themselves. It is clear that the clouds -- crowds were bigger. That

is it from us. We will be back tomorrow.