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-A spokesperson for the union

-said negotiations will continue.

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-Six months have passed...

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-Well, can we believe

-what we hear on the news?

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-Donald Trump complains almost

-on a daily basis about fake news.

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-You are fake news.

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-Others say he was elected

-on a wave of fake news.

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-How do you differentiate

-between truth and lies...

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-..when you read your mobile phones

-or watch TV?

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-Do you believe

-everything I'm saying?

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-Is it true? Really?

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-That's true.

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-No. It's not.

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-What's true and what's not?

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-Some people think I'm having

-an affair with Gavin Henson.

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-It's hard to know who to believe.

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-The term fake news

-is frequently used in Westminster.

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-I've been on a journey

-to find the fakers.

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-I've gone as far

-as the streets of Macedonia.

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-Do you know people who do fake news?

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-Yes, yes.

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-If the stories travel far,

-they make money from advertising.

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-I meet a Northwalian

-who had a million clicks...

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-..for a story that stopped traffic.

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-I hadn't intended to make it

-look real but people thought it was.

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-Over a million people read that.

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-In this programme,

-we look at past and present lies...

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-..and what awaits us in the future.

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-We'll see how far

-a fake news story can spread.

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-As everyone shouts "fake news",

-can we trust anything?

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-When I stated working

-as a journalist in Cardiff...

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-..fake news was unheard of.

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-The line between truth and lies

-appeared clearer then...

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-..but there's nothing new in trying

-to control what appears in the news.

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-I remember back in the '90s...

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-..the only way

-I could get information...

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-..from the war in Yugoslavia...

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-..was by going precisely where

-the Croatian army would take me.

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-This is the first time the Croatian

-army has allowed journalists...

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-..to visit the town

-since it was captured.

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-Also in the '90s, in China, a lot

-of undercover filming was required.

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-Journalists weren't welcome at all.

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-Tonight, most of these people

-will go home worse off.

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-They must accept

-whatever Beijing has to offer.

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-In the past year, much has changed

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-You can't ignore the effect

-of technology and the Internet...

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-..on Donald Trump's success.

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-Since being elected, he's used

-the term 'fake news' constantly...

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-..on Twitter, accusing newspapers

-and broadcasters of lying.

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-Some claim that fake news

-helped Trump win the US election.

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-Websites from Eastern Europe

-produced fake stories...

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-..that were extensively shared

-on Facebook and Twitter.

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-The news is now

-under the microscope.

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-You are fake news, fake news.

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-Checking the legitimacy of news

-is an important part of journalism.

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-Newspapers and broadcasters

-now employ fact checkers...

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-..to check the facts and information

-that come from all directions.

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-Last year, there was a change in the

-way stories were shared on websites.

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-One of the first to notice

-was Elena Cresci...

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-..an expert on social media

-with The Guardian.

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-Elena, you work for The Guardian

-as a fact checker.

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-What exactly is your role?

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-When I began,

-an important part of my job...

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-..was taking stories in

-from our readers.

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-We'll ask questions such as...

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-..have you been affected

-by events in the NHS?

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-A large part of that

-was when terror attacks happened.

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-It's important for us to be

-accurate in what we report.

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-We can't watch a video of something

-claiming to be the Paris attack...

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-..without checking it first.

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-When readers offer videos

-on different stories...

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-..what exactly do you do

-to check that footage?

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-There are a few things you can do.

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-For example,

-with the attack in Munich...

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-..there was a video of the man

-shooting outside McDonald's.

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-I checked that McDonald's branch.

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-Was it the same McDonald's?

-Is there even one there?

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-Sometimes when something happens...

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-..people take photos or find videos

-from other attacks and use them.

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-During the Munich attack,

-one reader sent us a video...

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-..of a staged terror attack

-in Manchester...

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-..and said it was from Germany

-which evidently wasn't true.

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-During last year's US Elections...

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-..did you notice a change in the way

-stories were promoted globally?

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-What I noticed was websites

-being established...

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-..just to report fake news.

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-These websites were set up

-by teenagers in Macedonia.

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-They had one goal.

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-Not to get Trump elected

-but to make money.

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-If their stories travelled

-long distances...

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-..and most of the stories were

-hyper partisan for Donald Trump...

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-..they could make money

-from the advertising...

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-..and this happened regularly.

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-In America,

-politicians accused The Guardian...

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-..and the BBC

-of promoting fake news.

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-Has that phenomenon reached Britain

-and British politicians?

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-I've heard Jeremy Corbyn mention it.

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-It's dangerous when he says

-this is fake news.

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-Politicians can't just say that a

-story they don't like is fake news.

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-If the facts are inaccurate,

-say they're inaccurate.

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-When I hear politicians say

-a story is fake news...

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-..I feel it's really scary.

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-For this programme, we've organised

-an experiment on fake news...

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-..to see how fast

-something can be spread.

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-Do you have any advice for us?

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-You'd need someone popular,

-someone well-known, a celebrity...

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-..someone the tabloids dedicate

-a lot of column inches to.

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-Someone the public have a lot

-of interest in their personal life.

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-What's the best way

-to start the story?

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-Ooh, well. Maybe with a tweet.

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-Not from the person,

-that's a little suspect.

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-Maybe from someone

-with a big account following.

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-Just be a little bit cheeky

-about it...

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-..suggest that something's happened.

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-That might do it.

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-To see how quickly

-fake news can be spread...

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-..Sian Lloyd, a well-known face

-with a strong Twitter presence...

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-..has allowed us to share

-a fake story about her.

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-Sian is happy to be part

-of the experiment...

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-..since many fake stories about

-her love life have been shared.

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-In one case,

-a theatre trip with colleagues...

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-..was reported as the start

-of a toy boy relationship.

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-The athlete, Welshman James Baker...

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-..just as I walked down the steps

-out of the theatre...

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-..I just happened to be with James,

-laughing and talking.

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-The next day, in the newspapers...

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-..I'm having an affair

-with a young, handsome mystery man.

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-Who is Sian's mystery man?

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-That's not the only false story

-written about Sian.

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-The papers also claim that a close

-friend to her is her sugar daddy...

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-..after they were spotted together.

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-The Sunday papers claimed that David

-Goldstone was Sian's sugar daddy.

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-"She looked ever so comfortable

-sat there in the Bentley."

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-David loved it

-but he's just a dear friend to me.

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-So I've had David,

-who's by now 88 years old...

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-..James Baker,

-who was 25 at the time...

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-..but never anyone in the middle.

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-In a career

-that's spanned many decades...

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-..Sian has seen many changes.

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-Mistakes and lies

-are on the increase.

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-At the start of my career...

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-..it would have been embarrassing

-if you were caught lying.

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-Back in the day, politicians

-didn't want to be caught out.

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-The truth actually meant something.

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-Over the decades

-and especially since 2007...

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-..and the popularity

-of the Internet...

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-..things have spiralled downwards

-very quickly.

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-Former rugby player Gareth Thomas...

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-..has agreed to share news about

-Sian through his Twitter account.

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-She's become engaged

-to a sports star half her age.

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-We'll see if anyone takes the bait

-later in the programme.

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-Elena will keep an eye

-on how the rumour develops.

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-I trained as a journalist in Cardiff

-during very different times.

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-Cardiff University now has a special

-course to help future hacks...

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-..recognise fake news.

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-The students are in the Assembly

-to learn from journalists...

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-..and PR experts.

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-How do they receive their news?

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-Like many people of my age,

-we receive news from the Internet.

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-Twitter, Facebook.

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-I just read stories

-that interest me.

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-There could be a lot out there

-I'm unaware of.

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-I won't click on it

-unless I want to read it.

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-I am relatively dependant

-on what my friends share and read.

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-I can tell quite easily

-if something is fake news.

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-I remember when Facebook had

-problems with their trending page...

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-..I heard on the news

-that someone famous had died.

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-I clicked on the item

-and realised...

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-..that it linked to a website

-I didn't recognise.

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-Sometimes they're click-bait.

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-People click on them because

-they want the news to be true.

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-Often, it's not the press or the

-mainstream media sharing fake news.

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-They come from fake websites

-created in other countries.

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-It's quite shocking

-how much power fake news has.

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-We really don't know

-how powerful fake news can be.

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-There's no way to assess it.

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-We know that more fake news

-was shared...

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-..during Trump's campaign

-than real news.

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-Future journalists will have

-to work harder than ever before.

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-How can they avoid being tricked

-into sharing lies?

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-That's the question I asked Sian

-Morgan Lloyd, the course leader.

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-Recognising fake news

-can be difficult.

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-Even seasoned journalists

-and academics...

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-..find it difficult every time.

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-We do use different methods

-when we work with students.

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-Google gives you the opportunity

-to place a photo in Google images...

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-..and it tells you

-what Google knows about the photo.

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-When it was taken

-and where it was taken.

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-During the Scottish Referendum

-campaign...

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-..a lot of photos

-were shared online...

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-..showing riot police in Glasgow.

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-The photos had been taken in London

-during the London riots.

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-It shows quite clearly that if you

-take a photo out of its context...

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-..you can create fake news.

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-Fake news

-is an international business...

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-..which creates challenges

-for journalists.

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-My journey takes me to a city

-with a large collection...

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-..of fake news websites.

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-I'm glad to hear

-that my fellow countrymen...

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-..helped Trump to win the election.

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-We'll also catch up

-with Sian Lloyd's private life.

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-First, how easy is it

-to spot the difference...

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-..between a genuine news story

-and fake news?

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-Will you fare better than this crew?

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-Three sets of headlines.

-What's true and what's fake?

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-These have all been on the Internet.

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-Warning: Escaped Cattle Selling

-Dairy Products Door To Door.

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-Fake.

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-No, no.

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-Fake?

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-Fake?

-

-It's not true.

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-It's true.

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-It's true.

-

-It's not!

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-Witches Plan To Cast Mass Spell

-Against Donald Trump.

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-True.

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-True, definitely.

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-Fake.

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-Fake.

-

-It's true.

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-Really?

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-Donald Trump Protestor Speaks Out.

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-I Was Paid 3,500

-To Protest Trump's Rally.

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-True.

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-True.

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-True.

-

-True.

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-Fake.

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-Fake.

-

-It's fake.

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-All wrong!

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-Does that bother you?

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-Does that bother you?

-

-Definitely.

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-You should be wary

-of the online stories.

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-Is it true? Is it?

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-No, it's not!

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-.

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-Threats, belittling and vilification

-were often used by spin doctors.

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-Once, when Tony Blair

-visited Wales...

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-..I asked a question that wasn't

-on his agenda that day.

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-Alastair Campbell was incensed.

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-I was pulled to one side...

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-..and he warned me never to do

-such a thing again.

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-It was an unpleasant experience

-at the time...

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-..but very common

-for political correspondents.

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-The process of influencing the press

-was well established

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-When David Cameron

-was elected Prime Minister...

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-..he also appointed

-a former journalist.

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-Andy Coulson stepped in...

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-..despite problems with his former

-employer the News of The World.

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-Many journalists have moved

-into the world of PR and spin.

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-Their job is to control the news

-rather than report it.

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-Guto Harri is one

-who followed this path.

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-At one time,

-he worked alongside me in the BBC.

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-Both presidents

-presented themselves...

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-..as an example of the way

-decades of mistrust can be overcome.

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-He's worked as Boris Johnson's

-Director of Communications...

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-..when he was Mayor of London...

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-..and also for the News

-International group of newspapers.

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-He now works for media group

-Liberty Global.

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-Guto, you've been on both sides

-of the fence...

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-..a journalist

-and a communications director.

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-How difficult was it

-to cross over to the dark side?

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-It changes your perspective but

-you're part of the same process.

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-You're further down

-or further up the chain.

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-It helped me

-that I'd worked as a journalist.

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-What we're trying to do

-is sell stories.

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-You have to know what will come out

-at the other end of the filter.

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-It's been a great help to do that.

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-When you crossed,

-did Guto Harri the journalist...

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-..see things that shocked him

-on the other side?

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-As a journalist,

-you know the difference...

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-..between genuine people

-and people who tell you...

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-..that someone isn't available

-when they are.

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-I saw all kinds of nonsense...

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-..during the days of Tony Blair

-as Prime Minister.

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-"War is neither imminent

-nor inevitable."

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-Alun Michael as First Minister -

-"Made in Wales".

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-Everyone knew it was a decision

-from No.10.

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-On this side of the fence, I've

-tried to avoid doing the things...

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-..that I know

-will incense journalists.

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-You need their trust - you can

-only trick a journalist once.

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-If you do that,

-they'll never trust you again.

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-If you lose that trust, you cannot

-influence those people again.

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-What do you make of the movement

-started by President Trump...

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-..that if he doesn't agree

-with something, it's fake news?

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-The best thing about fake news...

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-..is that it reminded us all

-of what real news looks like.

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-When Trump attacked Vanity Fair...

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-..100,000 people subscribed

-to the magazine.

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-The New York Times is improving.

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-People have realised

-that there's a difference...

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-..between reading the views

-of your best friend...

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-..and reading the views

-of someone more informed.

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-If you grab the big brands,

-such as New York Times, CNN...

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-..The Times and the BBC...

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-..you'll have an antidote

-to fake news.

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-Interestingly, the institutions

-banned from the White House...

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-..were those trusted,

-believable news sources.

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-One of the biggest threats

-to traditional news brands...

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-..is social media.

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-It's changed the way

-journalists work.

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-Twitter is an important weapon

-in the political world.

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-Westminster looks the same

-as it did when I worked here...

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-..but much has changed.

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-Journalists spend

-as much time on social media...

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-..as they do in front of a camera.

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-Elliw Gwawr is BBC Cymru's

-Westminster Correspondent.

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-Here we are, a normal day

-in Westminster, Elliw.

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-What's the first thing you do in

-work? Check the social media sites?

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-Yes, I must be honest.

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-I switch the computer on rather

-than reach for the newspapers.

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-I open Twitter to see

-what the politicians have said.

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-That's something I monitor

-all day long.

0:20:140:20:18

-To be honest, that's where people

-post news and stories first.

0:20:180:20:23

-The Government make announcements

-straight on Twitter...

0:20:230:20:27

-..to target the public directly

-with their message...

0:20:270:20:31

-..before it is digested

-by politicians...

0:20:310:20:35

-..and reported by the BBC

-or other journalists.

0:20:350:20:41

-How do you check? Do you accept

-that this is the truth?

0:20:410:20:45

-No, never! The complete opposite.

0:20:450:20:48

-I'm cynical of anything

-that's posted on Twitter...

0:20:480:20:51

-..whether it's by journalists

-or politicians.

0:20:520:20:56

-If I want to post something,

-I have to check the facts myself.

0:20:560:21:00

-It's so easy just to post something

-and think about it afterwards.

0:21:010:21:07

-As a journalist, I think twice

-before posting anything.

0:21:070:21:12

-Is fake news discussed

-behind the scenes at Westminster?

0:21:120:21:19

-Is America influencing Britain?

0:21:190:21:21

-The term fake news is often used

-in Westminster at the moment.

0:21:220:21:27

-We hear from people

-like Jeremy Corbyn...

0:21:280:21:31

-..people within government itself...

0:21:310:21:33

-..Amber Rudd the Home Secretary

-claiming that news...

0:21:340:21:37

-..from institutions they don't

-particularly like is fake news.

0:21:370:21:43

-It is used more often to challenge

-journalism they don't like.

0:21:430:21:49

-It's not necessarily incorrect or

-fake but they don't agree with it.

0:21:490:21:53

-The democratising of journalism

-is happening.

0:21:540:21:58

-Will we need journalists

-in the future?

0:21:580:22:01

-People want news

-they can believe and trust.

0:22:010:22:07

-Something that a fake website posts

-or something the public posts...

0:22:070:22:13

-..has the same value

-as one tweet by the BBC.

0:22:130:22:16

-That's the challenge for us.

0:22:170:22:19

-How do we use that?

0:22:200:22:21

-How do we report

-the stories quickly...

0:22:220:22:25

-..and also with the accuracy people

-expect from us as journalists?

0:22:250:22:31

-As we've seen, controlling

-and influencing news content...

0:22:330:22:38

-..is an integral part

-of the political world.

0:22:380:22:41

-These days,

-people create their own news.

0:22:410:22:45

-It is claimed

-that fake news websites...

0:22:450:22:48

-..helped Donald Trump

-win the US Election.

0:22:480:22:50

-How has this happened?

-The answer was a bit of a shock.

0:22:510:22:56

-If you,

-like millions across the world...

0:22:560:22:59

-..have read stories on websites

-with names such as...

0:22:590:23:03

-..USA Newsflash, USA Daily Politics,

-Donald Trump News...

0:23:030:23:08

-..you've been reading words that

-were written and published here.

0:23:090:23:13

-Veles is a small city in Macedonia.

0:23:210:23:24

-It has a population of 50,000 -

-less than Merthyr Tydfil.

0:23:240:23:28

-Recently, journalists noticed

-that over 100 fake news websites...

0:23:290:23:34

-..were published from here.

0:23:340:23:36

-They were all targeted

-at readers in America.

0:23:370:23:40

-The websites were set up

-by the city's youngsters.

0:23:410:23:44

-They cornered the market

-of fake news.

0:23:450:23:48

-What was in the articles?

0:23:480:23:50

-These were some of the headlines.

0:23:500:23:53

-Writing fake news about America

-is a profitable business.

0:24:030:24:08

-Last year, people shared,

-discussed or responded...

0:24:080:24:13

-..to fake news

-about American politics...

0:24:130:24:16

-..over 10m times on Facebook.

0:24:160:24:19

-Advertising revenue, not politics,

-is the driving force here.

0:24:200:24:24

-Since coming

-to international attention...

0:24:250:24:27

-..the authors

-are staying out of the limelight.

0:24:270:24:30

-What do local people know about

-the fake news factory in Veles?

0:24:310:24:35

-I don't think that in general people

-are aware of what has been going on.

0:24:350:24:40

-Maybe the younger generation who

-spend their time on the Internet.

0:24:400:24:45

-I heard

-that it was something to do...

0:24:470:24:49

-..with helping Donald Trump

-win the election a few months ago.

0:24:500:24:54

-I didn't get much publicity here

-in Macedonia.

0:24:550:24:58

-We were more preoccupied

-with other topics...

0:24:580:25:01

-..with our daily politics.

0:25:010:25:03

-It's good that Veles

-has gained publicity...

0:25:040:25:07

-..and that the media flocked here.

0:25:080:25:11

-That's the positive side.

0:25:110:25:13

-Do you think it's good for Veles,

-that international publicity?

0:25:140:25:18

-As they say,

-any type of publicity is good.

0:25:180:25:22

-This might be good

-for people to hear.

0:25:220:25:27

-I'm glad to hear

-that my fellow countrymen...

0:25:270:25:31

-..helped Trump

-to win the election...

0:25:310:25:33

-..but I don't know

-if it's beneficial...

0:25:340:25:36

-..for the rest of the world.

0:25:370:25:39

-It surprises you

-that there are people here...

0:25:400:25:43

-..making thousands of pounds

-with fake news.

0:25:440:25:47

-Well, it does, but we have

-one saying in Macedonia.

0:25:470:25:50

-Poor people are like devils, they

-can always find a way to make money.

0:25:500:25:54

-Maybe Donald Trump should come here.

0:25:550:25:57

-He should bring a portion

-of the United States to Veles.

0:25:570:26:01

-More from the factory of fake news

-in Macedonia after the break.

0:26:060:26:11

-We also talk to those

-who know what's going on here.

0:26:110:26:14

-They create fake news for fun,

-and for the money.

0:26:160:26:19

-Back home, what's happened to the

-fake news story about Sian Lloyd?

0:26:200:26:25

-First, what do you make

-of these headlines?

0:26:260:26:30

-Have you heard of fake news?

-Do you think you can spot it?

0:26:330:26:38

-Uh, maybe.

0:26:380:26:40

-Some headlines.

0:26:400:26:41

-Darth Vader hopes force with him

-in Ukraine polls. True?

0:26:420:26:46

-No.

0:26:460:26:47

-Yes.

0:26:470:26:48

-Yes.

-

-I read that somewhere.

0:26:480:26:50

-True.

0:26:510:26:52

-Buddhist Monk Goes On Tire Slashing

-Spree After Killing Insect.

0:26:530:26:58

-True. True.

0:26:580:27:00

-Fake.

0:27:010:27:02

-You think it's true?

0:27:020:27:04

-Yes. No. I don't know.

0:27:040:27:06

-It's true.

0:27:080:27:10

-Woman murders roommate for sending

-too many Candy Crush requests.

0:27:100:27:14

-That's true.

0:27:150:27:16

-True.

0:27:160:27:17

-True.

-

-She went bonkers and killed someone.

0:27:170:27:21

-Fake.

0:27:210:27:22

-Spot-on. Three out of three.

-Well done.

0:27:230:27:26

-You can spot fake news.

-Well done, fantastic.

0:27:260:27:30

-Thank you!

0:27:300:27:32

-.

0:27:320:27:32

-Subtitles

0:29:120:29:12

-Subtitles

-

-Subtitles

0:29:120:29:14

-This put the country of Macedonia

-on the map.

0:29:170:29:20

-That's the good thing about this.

0:29:200:29:22

-It did more

-for the country's profile...

0:29:230:29:25

-..than many other things

-over a longer period of time.

0:29:260:29:30

-More importantly, the youngsters

-didn't break any Macedonian laws.

0:29:300:29:35

-You're confident

-that these were individuals...

0:29:360:29:40

-..and they weren't influenced,

-as many suggest...

0:29:400:29:44

-..by Russia trying to influence

-the US Election.

0:29:440:29:48

-I'm 100% sure that Russia had

-no influence on events in Veles...

0:29:490:29:54

-..or Macedonia.

0:29:540:29:56

-Rumours could have spread that one

-individual had made money from this.

0:29:570:30:03

-That news would have reached

-his friends.

0:30:030:30:06

-Have you heard from Mr Trump?

0:30:100:30:11

-Have you heard from Mr Trump?

-

-No, but he might need us...

0:30:110:30:14

-..for the next election.

0:30:140:30:16

-..for the next election.

-

-Thank you very much. Thank you.

0:30:160:30:19

-I've spoken to those involved

-with fake news in Veles.

0:30:250:30:30

-Talk to them about Donald Trump and

-they rub their hands and laugh...

0:30:300:30:34

-..but they won't be interviewed.

0:30:340:30:36

-Hardly anyone

-wanted to speak openly.

0:30:370:30:40

-Can you talk to us about Veles?

0:30:400:30:43

-They know, that despite not

-breaking any laws in Macedonia...

0:30:460:30:49

-..if they operated

-in other countries...

0:30:500:30:53

-..they would attract

-legal attention.

0:30:530:30:57

-Some young people were happy

-to share their experiences...

0:30:570:31:01

-..of what's happened here.

0:31:010:31:03

-Do you know people who do fake news?

0:31:030:31:05

-Do you know people who do fake news?

-

-Yes, yes.

0:31:050:31:07

-They make a lot of money.

0:31:070:31:09

-Youngsters are well aware

-of the situation.

0:31:090:31:13

-They know precisely how it works.

0:31:130:31:16

-What sort of fake stories

-do they tell?

0:31:160:31:19

-Various about politics.

0:31:200:31:23

-About celebrities.

0:31:230:31:25

-They do it out of fun

-but mainly for money.

0:31:280:31:32

-According to

-the international press...

0:31:320:31:35

-..male teenagers

-create the fake stories.

0:31:350:31:38

-These girls know it's an industry

-which offers equal opportunities.

0:31:380:31:44

-Girls, boys?

0:31:440:31:46

-Average people, ordinary people.

0:31:460:31:49

-Girls and boys?

0:31:490:31:51

-Yes.

0:31:510:31:53

-What are they going to do next?

-Trump is old news.

0:31:530:31:56

-With celebrities, singers, actors.

0:31:590:32:03

-I heard yesterday...

0:32:050:32:07

-..that Miley Cyrus was killed

-in her apartment.

0:32:090:32:13

-Like every industry,

-the world of fake news must adapt.

0:32:180:32:21

-Donald Trump

-and right-wing politics...

0:32:220:32:24

-..have so far generated

-the profits and headlines.

0:32:240:32:28

-Left-wing politics and European

-Elections are also getting involved.

0:32:280:32:33

-From what I've seen here...

0:32:330:32:35

-..Veles' fakers are turning their

-sight to the world of celebrity.

0:32:350:32:39

-That's where we turn next

-with our special experiment...

0:32:430:32:47

-..to see how far

-we can spread fake news.

0:32:470:32:50

-News of Sian Lloyd's love life...

0:32:500:32:53

-..was published on Gareth Thomas'

-Twitter page some time ago.

0:32:530:32:59

-There has been a lot of interest.

0:32:590:33:02

-Someone's written, "Gareth, you

-tease, spill the beans. Who is it?"

0:33:020:33:07

-For some reason...

0:33:080:33:10

-..lots of people think I'm having

-an affair with Gavin Henson.

0:33:100:33:15

-This is fantastic. "If it's Alex

-Cuthbert, he'll probably drop her."

0:33:200:33:25

-As well as the general public...

0:33:270:33:29

-..journalists have reacted

-by contacting Sian's agent.

0:33:300:33:34

-"We've heard a rumour

-that Sian Lloyd has got engaged..

0:33:340:33:38

-"..to a famous Welsh sports star.

0:33:390:33:41

-"Are you able to confirm

-whether this is true?

0:33:410:33:44

-"Do you have further information

-you can publicly reveal?"

0:33:440:33:49

-We have one of the country's

-main newspaper groups on the case.

0:33:500:33:56

-The story is gathering momentum.

0:33:570:33:59

-I contacted Elena Cresci

-in The Guardian's newsroom.

0:34:000:34:05

-I spoke to our fake news expert...

0:34:060:34:09

-..before things

-spiralled out of control.

0:34:090:34:13

-Well, the original tweet

-had 70 likes.

0:34:130:34:19

-Some newsrooms have contacted

-Sian's agent about the story.

0:34:200:34:26

-We know of at least one...

0:34:260:34:28

-..and we know of two newsrooms

-that have seen the story.

0:34:290:34:33

-As broadcasters,

-we have to be responsible.

0:34:330:34:36

-We can't push it further.

0:34:360:34:38

-If we did,

-what would be the next step?

0:34:380:34:42

-The first problem

-is the story's topic.

0:34:420:34:46

-There is a reason that these

-fake news sites in Macedonia...

0:34:460:34:51

-..chose stories about Donald Trump

-and Hillary Clinton.

0:34:510:34:55

-The election in America

-was an emotive subject.

0:34:550:35:00

-We see the same with stories

-that are Islamophobic.

0:35:000:35:06

-We've done most of this story

-on Twitter.

0:35:070:35:11

-More people are on Facebook...

0:35:110:35:14

-..but it's difficult

-to share something like this...

0:35:140:35:19

-..from a small Facebook page...

0:35:190:35:22

-..and get it shared further.

0:35:220:35:25

-You need a huge Facebook page.

0:35:250:35:29

-How would you get one of

-the Facebook pages you mentioned...

0:35:290:35:35

-..to generate their interest

-in the story?

0:35:360:35:38

-We've seen popular Facebook pages

-being bought...

0:35:380:35:44

-..by people who want to do this.

0:35:440:35:48

-They buy all the likes and change

-the name of the Facebook page.

0:35:490:35:55

-What about the future of fake news?

0:35:560:35:58

-Where's it all going?

0:35:580:36:01

-I'm worried that more and more

-people won't know what to believe...

0:36:010:36:06

-..and they'll believe

-what they want to believe.

0:36:060:36:10

-That's officially

-the end of the experiment.

0:36:120:36:15

-I can confirm that Sian Lloyd

-isn't engaged to a rugby player...

0:36:160:36:20

-..but the fake news continues.

0:36:210:36:23

-Journalists across the world

-are concerned about fake news.

0:36:240:36:29

-In Part 3, we'll look

-at unique problems for Welsh news.

0:36:290:36:35

-We'll meet the man from Buckley

-who got a million clicks...

0:36:350:36:39

-..for a story that stopped traffic.

0:36:390:36:41

-I hadn't intended to make it look

-real but people thought it was.

0:36:420:36:46

-Over a million people read it

-in 24 hours.

0:36:460:36:49

-First, some more stories

-but which one is fake?

0:36:490:36:54

-We're discussing fake news.

0:36:570:37:00

-I'll read you a set of headlines.

-These appeared on the Internet.

0:37:000:37:06

-Hefty fine for ignoring

-'Do not knock' sign.

0:37:060:37:09

-Is that true?

0:37:090:37:10

-Is that true?

-

-No.

0:37:100:37:11

-Yeah, go on.

0:37:120:37:13

-Yeah, go on.

-

-No. Fake.

0:37:130:37:15

-It's true.

0:37:150:37:17

-Rio to ban cosmetic surgery...

-for pets.

0:37:170:37:20

-Fake.

0:37:200:37:22

-Um... fake.

0:37:220:37:24

-Fake.

0:37:240:37:26

-It's true.

0:37:270:37:29

-Isis Leader Calls For American

-Muslim Voters To Support Hillary.

0:37:290:37:33

-I don't think so.

0:37:340:37:35

-Fake.

0:37:350:37:36

-No.

0:37:370:37:38

-No.

-

-Fake.

0:37:380:37:39

-Fake. Correct.

0:37:390:37:41

-You spotted one but not the others.

-How do you feel?

0:37:410:37:44

-Disappointed.

0:37:440:37:46

-.

0:37:470:37:47

-According to Dylan Iorwerth,

-there are obvious dangers.

0:39:550:39:58

-What's become more of a problem

-for me...

0:39:590:40:01

-..is seeing more and more people

-willing to peddle lies.

0:40:020:40:06

-There are those who believe

-that their job...

0:40:060:40:09

-..is to defend their interests

-whatever the consequences...

0:40:090:40:13

-..as long as it exonerates them

-at the time.

0:40:140:40:17

-That leads to an increase

-in fake news stories.

0:40:170:40:22

-They think that it's OK to do it

-if people will believe you.

0:40:220:40:27

-You can't deny that the desire for

-money is at the root of many things.

0:40:270:40:32

-You can make money

-from publishing fake news.

0:40:320:40:36

-One answer would be

-to expand Welsh journalism.

0:40:370:40:41

-Lecturer Ifan Morgan Jones

-is raising money...

0:40:410:40:44

-..to fund an online English-language

-news service for Wales.

0:40:440:40:49

-The idea is to provide

-a not-for-profit news service...

0:40:500:40:56

-..which is funded by voluntary

-donations, advertisements...

0:40:570:41:02

-..and people writing voluntarily

-for the website...

0:41:020:41:06

-..and contributing what they can.

0:41:060:41:08

-I hope the website can grow into

-a worthwhile journalistic resource.

0:41:080:41:12

-If we all rely on Facebook bubbles

-for our news...

0:41:130:41:17

-..where we only see views

-that suit us...

0:41:170:41:20

-..according to Ifan, future debates

-will become more divisive.

0:41:200:41:25

-The recent fall-out about Ysgol

-Llangennech is evidence of that.

0:41:250:41:30

-This was Llangennech

-back in February.

0:41:310:41:33

-A protest against closing

-the school's English stream...

0:41:340:41:37

-..to turn it into a Welsh-medium

-school from September.

0:41:380:41:42

-There was a Facebook page opposing

-the changes in Llangennech.

0:41:430:41:47

-The members were reiterating each

-other's opposition to the changes.

0:41:480:41:55

-Previously, this conversation would

-have happened on a social level...

0:41:550:42:00

-..within the community.

0:42:000:42:02

-People would have heard opposite

-views to theirs in the community...

0:42:020:42:07

-..and they might not have been

-so opposed to the changes.

0:42:070:42:10

-Even discussions about

-local politics are changing...

0:42:110:42:15

-..because of global influences.

0:42:150:42:17

-Here's one final story, a preview

-of what could happen in the future.

0:42:180:42:23

-Yes, this really did happen.

0:42:240:42:26

-Even humorous websites

-are being dragged into the debate.

0:42:270:42:31

-Lots of people have set up websites

-to poke fun...

0:42:310:42:35

-..but people read them without

-realising that it's all a joke.

0:42:350:42:40

-Ben is one

-who's already taken that step.

0:42:410:42:44

-He set up a humorous website

-called Warped Wales.

0:42:440:42:47

-The purpose of it was to make

-as many people laugh as possible...

0:42:480:42:53

-..to take what's topical in the area

-or wider...

0:42:530:42:57

-..and to mix a bit of humour

-into it as well.

0:42:570:43:00

-A bit of irony and sarcasm

-and people have really taken to it.

0:43:000:43:05

-Some people don't see the joke and

-share the articles as news stories.

0:43:050:43:12

-My intentions were to make it

-openly funny from the outset.

0:43:130:43:16

-I didn't want to deceive anyone

-into thinking it was real.

0:43:170:43:20

-I soon realised that it

-didn't matter what I write...

0:43:210:43:24

-..somebody somewhere

-will think it's real.

0:43:240:43:27

-It doesn't matter

-how absurd it is...

0:43:270:43:29

-..there is somebody

-who will think it's real.

0:43:290:43:32

-There was a story about Donald

-Trump setting up a points system...

0:43:320:43:37

-..for accepting people

-from different countries.

0:43:370:43:41

-I wrote a story

-about setting up a system...

0:43:410:43:44

-..for accepting shoppers

-from Wrexham.

0:43:440:43:46

-I wanted to limit

-how many people from Wrexham...

0:43:460:43:50

-..were coming into the city.

0:43:500:43:52

-Somebody put, "I wanted to go

-to B&M in Chester on Saturday.

0:43:520:43:56

-"How can

-I get around this visa thing?"

0:43:560:43:59

-What? Are you serious?!

0:43:590:44:00

-One story Ben wrote last year

-was read over a million times.

0:44:010:44:06

-It created a stir.

0:44:060:44:09

-The article claimed that a Pokemon

-GO battle had broken out on the M56.

0:44:090:44:15

-Because of the way

-I'd written the headline...

0:44:150:44:18

-..I hadn't intended to make it look

-real, but people thought it was.

0:44:180:44:23

-People were avoiding the M56...

0:44:230:44:26

-..because they thought

-there was a lot of congestion...

0:44:260:44:30

-..because of this Pokemon GO battle.

0:44:300:44:33

-People were reporting it

-on the radio.

0:44:330:44:35

-In hindsight I realised

-that it looked real on social media.

0:44:360:44:42

-It has also exposed a group

-of Internet users...

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-..in Wales and across the UK...

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-..that won't fact check, they won't

-look into things properly.

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-They will share things

-at face value.

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-It's had a positive effect

-because people are interested...

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-..in reading the content

-because they find it funny...

0:45:020:45:05

-..but it has exposed the way

-that people use the Internet.

0:45:050:45:09

-For the short time I've been

-away from the news desk...

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-..I've been surprised by the scale

-and complexity of fake news.

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-It includes articles written

-by youngsters in Macedonia...

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-..to try and grab American

-interest and advertising clicks...

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-..along with jokes from Wales

-which confuse one or a million.

0:45:280:45:33

-This world is growing

-and becoming more complex...

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-..as technology becomes simpler

-and easier to use.

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-If you want to become

-a journalist these days...

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-..all you need is a mobile phone

-and the Internet.

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-You can then broadcast to the world.

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-Democratising the news is exciting

-offering new opportunities in Wales.

0:45:520:45:57

-It all goes hand in hand

-with an explosion in fake news.

0:45:570:46:01

-There's nothing new in trying

-to influence news content...

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-..and there are financial gains

-for writing lies.

0:46:070:46:10

-It's difficult

-for large technology companies...

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-..to stay ahead of the fakers.

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-There are big changes afoot...

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-..but the work of collecting

-and presenting news continues.

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-If you don't know who to trust...

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-..new faces and brands

-might be a welcome change.

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-Next, a look at some of the stories

-outside Wales.

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