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This is Business Live from BBC News with Aaron Heslehurst

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Is Deutsche Bank the world's most dangerous bank?

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According to the International Monetary Fund it is.

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With its share price now hitting record lows could the German giant

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Live from London, that's our top story on the 7th July.

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Last week, the IMF said that, of all the banks big enough to bring

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the financial system crashing down, Deutsche Bank was the riskiest.

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As if that wasn't worrying enough its shares are now at a record low.

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Could one of the rocks of European banking now be in major trouble?

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The BBC understands that Tata Steel is going to pause the sale of most

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of its business, leaving thousands of workers uncertain about their

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future. Take a look at the European markets. They have opened higher!

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We're going to tell you why. As sterling takes yet another

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pounding post-Brexit, it's now hovering at

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a new 31-year low - on the winners and losers from a top

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currency expert responsible for exchanging billions of pounds,

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dollars and euros. And we want to hear your questions

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on the pound. For example, should you be getting your holiday money

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now, or waiting? The tide is going out,

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and it's time to see who's got As global markets continue to deal

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with the fallout of the Brexit vote, fears are now growing

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about the state of the European, Those fears have seen bank shares

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hit hard, and the bank that's been hit the hardest

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of all is Deutsche Bank. Yesterday the bank's shares

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hit a new record low, and its value is now down 25%

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since the referendum and 50% since the

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beginning of the year. Well, while the bank has assets

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of 1.64 trillion euros - - however, it also has liabilities

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of 1.58 trillion euros, which means the value of what it's

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owed doesn't need to move by much The problem Deutsche has -

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according to many analysts out there - is that it doesn't

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have a large, safe retail banking businesses to balance its bigger

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and riskier investment Artur Fischer is chief executive

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of the Berlin Stock Exchange. Really good to talk to you. Pretty

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scary numbers there. And a pretty damning assessment from the IMF,

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citing Deutsche Bank as the riskiest bank in the world- what do you make

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of that? Well, we have have to be careful. I do not want to sound self

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defending here but we have to be careful not to scaremonger.

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Obviously, there is always going to be a bank with the worst figures.

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Please remember, Deutsche Bank is in the middle of a restructuring,

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moving from being a major investment. The figures are not as

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good as they should be. And on top of it, we have the Brexit, which hit

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the banking sector very, very hard. Looking at the bank itself, what

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sort of capital buffers does it have? Here in the UK, the banks

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after 2018 were very good at building up their balance sheets -

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is Deutsche Bank in a similar position? I would compare Deutsche

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Bank from A to B ratio of 11% maybe with Barclays. I think they are at

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the same kind of ratio. But when you restructure a bank, you're losing

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some of the tools you need to organise your investment banking

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assets. In particular, when you change this kind of infrastructure,

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it becomes very difficult to manage your assets in an optimum way. It is

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Aaron here. During the financial crisis, we kept on hearing time and

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time again about certain is to Jewish and is, and the phrase was,

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too big to fail. The IMF can do the warnings, people can worry or not,

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but nobody will let Deutsche Bank fail, will they? Well, your guest is

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as good as mine. I do not have any privileged information about that.

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We do know that we had a clear statement some months ago. But at

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the end of the day, we have improved our safety net and we trust that it

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will work. What sort of faith do you have in the chief executive, who is

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described as a conservative, feet on the ground type, pragmatist - do you

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think he is the right man to have at the helm? Absolutely. We have

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somebody there who has been with the bank for many years, who has a very

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down-to-earth view and I believe is the right man for the job. Chief

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executive of the Berlin stock exchange, Artur Fischer, thank you

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for your thoughts. Germany's Chambers of Industry

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and Commerce has lowered its outlook for German exports to Britain,

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following the British decision The DIHK said it now sees a 1

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percent drop in exports In 2017, the body predicts

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that exports to Britain Great Portland Estates,

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a central London property and investment company,

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said it expected the Brexit vote to hit economic growth

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and confidencein the British capital, taking a toll

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on commercial property markets. The group has a property portfolio

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worth $4.8 billion. Commercial property has been one

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of the early victims of Britain's vote to leave the EU,

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with a number of property funds being suspended after investors

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linked up to ask Tata Steel is expected to announce

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on Friday that it will pause the sale of most of its UK business,

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including Port Talbot, However, it will proceed

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with the sale of its specialty steel-making business,

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which employs 2,000 employees in Hartlepool, Rotherham

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and Stocksbridge. And we want to bring you some more

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on that Tata Steel story, which is really big here in the UK. Simon

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Jack, our business editor, has and a really expensive extensive piece on

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this. It says that Tata is less concerned about the speed of the

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sale, due to rising steel prices and a raft of government incentives. Of

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course, steel generally is a story which we have spoken so much about,

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particularly against the Chinese, accusations of causing something of

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a glut in the international steel market. Just wondering, if and when

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the UK leads the European Union, if it changes the steel industry in

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some ways. I know we have still got global 40s to be reckoned with, but

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if it changes any rain in the UK. It will be interesting to see. It says

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the pressure has been reduced on the Indian owners to sell, hence the

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reason we are seeing this pause in the sale. Head online to see what

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Simon Jack has, and about that. Although, with the dropping of the

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pound, it will be cheaper now. Let's take a look round the world

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at what business stories Christine Hah is in Singapore

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and has been following The electronics manufacturer expects

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to post good profit figures, Yes, Samsung is saying that results

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for April to June, the second quarter, will be the best it has

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seen in any quarter for two years. It is forecasting operating profits

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to be up 17%, more than what analysts were expecting at this

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point. Official results will not be out until late July, but Samsung

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shares in Asia are up 2% on the back of those comments. Smartphone sales,

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still the main driver of growth, to ghillie from the Galaxy series,

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launched this year. It comes at a time when global smartphone sales

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are weakening and competitors are seeing slowing demand. Weather this

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spells a true turnaround for Samsung, after two years of slowing

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market share, we don't know. A lot of this is only product line-up and

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less marketing costs, not on innovation. -- a lot of this is on

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Lena product line-up. Well, let's stay in Asia,

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where share markets crept ahead on Thursday after some upbeat data

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out of the US showing that the service sector hit

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a seven-month high in June - took some of the sting out

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of the latest Brexit scare. But over in Japan, the benchmark

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Nikkei did slip slightly as investors seeking safety flocked

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to the yen, pushing it up against the dollar and making

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the country's exports Let's have a look at Europe. Is

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expected, it opened higher, breaking that losing streak in Europe. Some

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caution from the US Federal reserve over raising its interest-rate.

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And Samira Hussain has the details about what's ahead

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On Thursday, the precursor to Friday's jobs report comes out,

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with a look at how many jobs were added in the private sector.

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Expect to see that private employers probably stepped up hiring

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in the month of June, with some analysts estimating

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soft drink giant Pepsi will be reporting.

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is what potential impacts Pepsi may face in the wake of Brexit.

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Given the uncertainty in overseas markets,

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Pepsi is going to be focusing their efforts

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That means investors will also want to hear

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Joining us is Richard Hunter, Head of Research, Wilson King

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Good to see you, as ever. One of those markets is the FTSE 250,

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something we have been talking a lot about, the difference we are seeing

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between the benchmark FTSE-100, the blue-chip stocks, which is

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internationally focused, and everybody commenting on how robust

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it has been in the wake of the Brexit folk, compared with the FTSE

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250, which is more representative of how the UK is doing? You're

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absolutely right. There was a broad knock down across all of the markets

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after the vote. The FTSE-100 recovered quite quickly. You're

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quite right, in the subsequent days, we have seen that currency tailwind,

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in other words the weakness of the dollar, is playing into the hands of

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many FTSE-100 companies, who on a lot of their money overseas, and

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therefore the quality of those earnings has improved. FTSE 250 is

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more of a barometer for the UK, and that's where the pain is being felt.

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I'm going to put you on the spot, but you are a tele- tart, you can

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handle this - the fallout from Britain's decision to leave the EU

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will cost France, one of its biggest trading partners, between 0.1% and

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0.2 percentage points of economic growth, according to their budget

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minister. Is that any surprise, the UK leaving is going to have an

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impact on Germany and France? For sure. The proponents of the UK will

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be saying that in terms of trade with the European Union, they need

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us as much as we need them. So, a long way to go. It will be helpful

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when we know who is going to be negotiating on our behalf. But the

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UK is not necessarily in an extremely weak position. Despite

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lots of people saying that? Absolutely. A long way to go, and we

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are in a pretty good negotiating position as well. Really good to

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talk to you. Still to come: We're going to be

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talking about the drop in the pound, what it means for your holiday

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and why it's a bit of a mixed You're with Business

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Live from BBC News. All eyes are on how Brexit

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will affect the British economy. And there's one area that has been

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touted as potentially vulnerable The Halifax has just

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released its latest Most of this relates to the market

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before the vote on 23 June, for how

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buyers and sellers were behaving Joining us to discuss

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developments in the property market is Susan Emmet,

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research director at the real Is Aaron was saying, this survey was

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conduct before the 23rd of June, showing that house price inflation

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was dropping. Is it actually a period of a slowdown in prices, and

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is that a good thing for the market, it is actually a slowdown in

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activity which we do not want to see? Clearly at the moment there is

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a lot of uncertainty out there. The Brexit result took a lot of people

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by surprise. Over the coming weeks and months, we expect to see buyers

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posing for thought, taking a breath and seeing how the situation pans

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out. So, we are expecting fewer sales in the short term, and yes,

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that will have an impact on the market with and we are expecting to

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see a period of slower growth in house prices. Can I just ask you,

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over the last few days, we have seen the suspension of some of these big

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commercial property funds, but when you look at faces like London, I

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think we are already seeing a cooling of foreign buyers, but when

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you look at a place like London, isn't the dynamics, it is still

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supply and demand there is more demand than some fly?

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You are right, two factors have not changed. That is low supply and a

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low interest rate environment. So we are not expecting to see a one bunch

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of people rushing to sell or being forced to sell. That will underpin

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house prices. We are in for a slower market, but it is impossible to say

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more at this stage. We appreciate your time, short and sweet.

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You're watching Business Live - our top story:

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Deutsche Bank shares hit a new record low this week, and its value

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has halved since the beginning of the year. The International Monetary

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Fund, the IMF, also says that of the banks big enough to bring the

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financial system crashing down, Deutsche Bank is the riskiest. We

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will keep across all of that. A quick look at how

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markets are faring: The majority of the FTSE 100

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companies take the majority of their profit outside. The value of the

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pound is still under $1.30. And now let's get the inside track

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on the volatile world of currencies and in recent weeks, there's been no

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more volatile currency The UK's decision to leave

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the EU has continued to punish sterling, which yesterday

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fell to a new 31 year low As you can see here,

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the pound has now fallen by around 14% against the dollar

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since hitting $1.50 ahead It's been good news for many FTSE

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100 companies, who in total make around three quarters

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of their profits outside the UK. And it's also good news

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for exporters, because it means that their products become cheaper

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for foreign customers. But a falling pound also means that

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imports have become more expensive - leading to price rises

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on everything from food to TVs. Arguably, the biggest issue of all,

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though, is the impact that the drop has on confidence

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in the economy as a whole, with the UK already losing

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its triple A credit rating. Joining us now to discuss this -

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Jonathan Quin is the CEO and Co-Founder of the International

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money transfer company, World First. I would like to be a fly on the wall

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at your office at the moment. We will talk about the pros and cons in

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a minute, but at the end of the day, some will lose some will win. The

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traders will make money. Volatility is a good thing for people in the

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markets. We had our busiest period ever. As you mentioned before, the

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value of the pound is a two sided coin. This is great for exporters

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and also good that those who are considering exporting. It is great

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for exporters so long as the products they sell are priced in

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pounds. We have to be careful about saying this. If they sell these

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products in Euros or dollars and change the money back to sterling,

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they will still benefit. We were talking about the big FTSE 100

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companies. Again, we are flogging a dead horse, but that is why they are

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doing relatively well. They are going to make all those dollars

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outside, bring them back in and get more quid for them. Our client basis

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is importers and exporters, and we have a group of clients called the

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mini multinationals, who do lots of business internationally. Lots of

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them are doing well and there are some great stories. But we are a net

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importer as a country. So how are the import clients feeling? Some of

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them are feeling some pain. And some of the products will have gone up

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ten to 15%. So that will be difficult for them. However, some of

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those import something and sell it on and I might be an option for them

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to consider exporting something that they also sell. We have viewers

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around the world and in the UK who may be thinking of going to Europe

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or further afield to the US. Let's say they are using pounds. What is

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your suggestion? It is difficult to predict the future. If I were them,

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I would buy half now and if the rate goes up, you will do better. If it

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goes down, at least you have half. It is a classic hedge. There are so

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much risk at the moment. It is a tough one. Good luck! Many thanks.

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How many times have you ordered a take-away meal or and sat waiting

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for the roar of the moped bringing your delivery?

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In the near future, you could be hearing the clatter of the tiny

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It delivers food and it is a portable potty!

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What other business stories has the media been

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Joining us again is Richard Hunter, the Head of Research

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at Wilson King Investment Management.

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This one caught my eye. Apparently, Paris, under the guidance of promise

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a Manuel Valls and their finance minister, want to steal a march on

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London as the financial capital of Europe. Is that going to happen?

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Maybe not so much Paris. A more interesting story is the current

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situation in terms of the London stock exchange and merger. It seemed

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initially that the base would be in London in terms of the stock

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exchange. Now London isn't part of the EU, there will be pressure

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either to share the head office, or maybe pressure from Frankfurt to

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merge with Deutsche Borse. It is inevitable, and we have already seen

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it in terms of the clearing market, that parts of Paris, Milan and

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Frankfurt will be vying for some of the London business. How important

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is it that some of the European countries are pushing for Britain

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not to retain its passport rights? We keep hearing about the passport

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and financial services. This is the ability of banks to be able to

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continue to do business in Europe unfettered. Part of that is also the

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free movement of people, however, and that will be a sticking point.

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It is one of the reasons we have seen a lot of weakness in the UK

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banking share prices. That move on quickly. There was a lot of UK

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bashing going on in Le Figaro. But why hasn't anybody focused on

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Europe? I have served some experts say, keep your eye on Europe,

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because in a year, it will be in an absolute mess. It ain't a shining

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Brexit to one side, the euro zone Brexit to one side, the euro zone

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has been of concern for some years now, since the financial crisis. We

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are now at least talking about are now at least talking about

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potential growth. However, you have massively higher unemployment,

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particularly amongst the youth in some of the professional Europe into

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trees. We have the Greek situation and some question marks over

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Germany. The UK, by comparison, looks in a stable place. Richard

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Hunter, always a pleasure. There is more on our website if you want more

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business. See you later. Bye-bye.

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