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This is Business Live from BBC News with Aaron Heslehurst

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Shareholders don't just like, they love the latest

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The world's biggest social network and now one of the biggest

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advertising businesses on the planet.

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Live from London, that's our top story

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Well on the way to two billion friends.

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Facebook gets more popular, more profitable and more

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Also in the programme: What does President Trump make of this news?

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China and Mexico teaming up to make cars south of the wall.

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Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim is the wheeler and dealer.

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And as always, we'll tell you what's driving the markets.

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At the moment it's a case of Trump on, Trump off.

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And there's been a lot of change at Formula One recently.

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And a little later in the programme we'll be speaking live to the boss

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of one of the big teams in the sport - McClaren.

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Zach Brown also has lots of other roles.

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So today we want to know, what would you like to ask him?

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OK, everybody is going, what does Trump on, Trump of mean? I would

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explain why we get to the markets! We start with Facebook,

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because despite predictions of a slowdown, the world's biggest

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social network keeps getting more popular,

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more profitable and more powerful. Late on Wednesday it reported

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quarterly numbers that were much They round off another year of rapid

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growth that has seen it become one of the biggest advertising

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businesses on the planet. Its massive reach has also raised

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concerns about the amount of influence it can have,

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and the reliability of information So we put a little something

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together for you. By the end of last year over

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1.86 billion people around the world were logging on at least once

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a month - so-called 1.25 billion of those log on every

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single day, and the vast Last year they spent almost $29

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billion placing ads on Facebook - That made Facebook profits

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of well over $10 billion, Can't wait to talk to Rory about it!

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These are staggering numbers. However, Facebook is warning it's

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reaching saturation point for the amount of advertising it can

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show people on their newsfeeds. Reports suggest it's looking

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into video ads, as seen on YouTube. With me is our Technology

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Correspondent Rory Cellan Jones. The numbers do seem witty

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staggering, yet they keep trying to warn us that it won't be as

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staggering next time. What is the outlook? The interesting thing about

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Facebook is it is becoming more and more like Google and Apple. Like

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Google it has one huge very successful product, which is

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advertising, and in particular mobile advertising. The vast

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majority of the profits are coming from advertising on your mobile

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which didn't exist a few years ago. And when Facebook floated, it said

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it was a worry, and it has dealt with that and is becoming a dominant

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force. If you want to advertise to mobile users, which is where most

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people are, Facebook or Google are the only places to go. And it is

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becoming like Apple in that it is managing expectations from the

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market very cleverly. For years, Apple used to say, things are not

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going to be quite so good next quarter, and then it would

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outperform. Last time, Facebook said, things could be more difficult

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ahead, then it outperforms the market and investors are impressed.

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The other bit of news that came out was this decision by a jury about

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its Oculus Rift part of the business, company bought a few years

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ago, the virtual reality business, and there are questions about who

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owns the technology, and it would seem Facebook is the bad guy,

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according to this jury. It lost that case, an important intellectual

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property case, and it was ordered to pay $500 million. Facebook can

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afford to shrug that off, and we forget, it is basically huge

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advertising business, but it is sticking lots of money into other

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areas, artificial intelligence, virtual reality, things that may not

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pay off for many years, and it is like Google betting on things like

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driverless cars, all of those new technologies, Facebook betting on

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virtual reality. Mark Zuckerberg admitted last night it may be many

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years before that pays off, but it has got the weight behind it to be

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able to waste money in some areas. And you and I have been around, we

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are older, I remember sitting here many years ago with you... Speaks

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yourself! We would talk about the critics saying Facebook has got to

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learn how to monetise adverts on mobile armour and they have done it,

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they have cracked it and moved on. This is a company that defies the

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critics and is here to stay. Mark Zuckerberg right from the early

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years has defied people who said you should get in a responsible adult to

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run the company, he shouldn't take it down that route, he should go to

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advertising faster. He went advertising when he wanted to do it,

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and has managed it very well. Everyday I see people on Facebook

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saying, I have never clicked on an ad, I don't know how it works, but

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that is the secret. The secret sources they give advertisers clever

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ways to reach people without people being aware of it. You are back

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tomorrow, apparently. You're not! I am here, and you are and we will

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talk about everything! Apple, you name it.

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The viewers love it. Rory, we will see you tomorrow. I will join you in

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my living room! You won't be awake at that time!

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I am loyal like that. Let's talk about some of the other news out

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there. The chief executive of Germany's

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leading stock exchange is being investigated by prosecutors

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over the purchase of shares in the company -

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just weeks before it began merger talks with the London

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Stock Exchange. Deutsche Boerse says

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Carsten Kengeter's shares were part of an incentive scheme

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and they are cooperating The share price rose

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significantly shortly Germany's biggest lender

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Deutsche Bank has posted It's an improvement from the year

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before but reflects the high cost of legal cases and fines the bank

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has incurred including the $7.2bn penalty it paid in the US over

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mis-selling linked to the 2008 The bank has more money set

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aside for such costs and has also recdued it's operating

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costs. The bank's boss said it showed

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resilience in a particularly tough year.

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Look at this, this is a story up your alley. It is about airports.

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Heathrow's third runway will mean more domestic airport legs, but

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when? 2030? It will take forever! That is more on Heathrow expanded

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sometime, not soon. They have been hammered. And profit outlook, the

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Ghostbusters movie didn't do it for Sony, there was a billion-dollar

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write down. But is a problem for them.

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OK. I love this story. A Chinese car company has announced

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a deal with a Mexican car plant to build up to 10,000 SUVs

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in the country. It's almost like Tom what you get

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when you put a Chinese car company with a Mexican car company, you get

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two fingers up at Trump! That has a lot of uncertainty over the future

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of trade between Mexico and the US, and the question is, could ageing

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reap the rewards? JAC motors certainly hope so, and the Chinese

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manufacturer and ex-ago's Giant Motors are investing millions of

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dollars at the Mexican central state of Hidalgo. The first cars will roll

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off the assembly lines later this year. Up to 10,000 vehicles could be

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produced at the plant within four years, and the deal is expected to

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create more than 5000 jobs, and the cars will be sold in Mexico, Central

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America and South America. Very ago! Talk to you soon.

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Let's stay with Asia and show you some of the numbers.

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Shares in the region touched a four month high.

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The dollar sagged a bit after the US Fed Reserve stuck to its mildly

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upbeat economic view but here's the thing - the bank gave no hint

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Europe is expected to open slightly lower today.

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In a nutshell, what's going on with the markets at the moment -

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is that they've gone from hooray for those Trump economic policies,

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They've gone from that to - we're not to sure about some

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Think of it like this - Trump on, Trump off.

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Let's go and find out what'll be making the news over there.

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The Federal Reserve decided not to raise interest rates at the end

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since President Donald Trump took office.

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Policymakers kept interest rates unchanged.

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In making this decision, America's central bank said

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that the US job market is getting stronger and inflation

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is gradually rising, but it said it wants more time

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This is pretty much what everyone expected.

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The Fed has just increased interest rates in December, and crucially,

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the Trump administration's economic plans still

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The Fed needs to have a real, clear idea of what the fiscal policy

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of this government will be in order to effectively steer

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Joining us is Alix Stewart, Fixed Income Fund Manager at Schroders.

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Samir was talking about Janet Yellen, no decision as the case may

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be, but it was all completely expected. What is going to happen

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next, and when will they make the next, and when will they make the

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next move? That is whatever but it was looking for, trying to get a

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change in thinking with Trump coming in, but we got none of that, really.

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So it is still, let's wait and see. No big market reaction either way,

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no disappointment or spike or anything, it was like a nonevent. It

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was a bit, which is unusual from the central bank! The event will be when

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we hear something from Trump about Janet Yellen, because there will be

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a concern if these two Boghead is. Yes, we could get a big change in

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the head of the Fed going forward, which could be a big change in

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policy. Talking of central bank action, today is Super Thursday in

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the UK, Mark Carney will be in focus at the Bank of England. Dust explain

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what Super Thursday is about, because several things go on at

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once. We get updated growth and inflation forecasts, and the economy

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has been stronger. Stronger than everybody thought. Stronger than

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anybody thought, all of the pessimists have been wrong. The Bank

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of England took pre-emptive action immediately after the vote, so

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everybody will be looking to see what are they going to do now. After

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the referendum, you are talking about? Yes, so the question is now

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when things are stronger and inflation is picking up stronger

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than expected, what are they going to do? They have cut interest rates,

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they have been buying bonds, so what will they do? Normally interest rate

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is the tool for the central bank, but Mark Carney, the Canadian bloke,

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the big boss of the Bank of England, he has said they could ride

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inflation even above the target of 2% for a little bit before

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triggering any interest rate rise. Given that inflation is driven

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predominantly by the drop in the pound, then yes, he has said they

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will look through it to some extent, but he has also said there is a

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limit to how much they will look through it, so everybody will be

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looking to see, are they caught in a difficult position with prices

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picking up? In the meantime, this is extremely busy, because you have the

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central banks but also so many earning stories coming in, and we

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will hear from the Shall boss later, AstraZeneca, Facebook, there are

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many, but what has caught your attention? Deutsche Bank, the loss

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wasn't quite as bad as perhaps it has been previously, and everybody

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has been focusing on the fines and everything they have had, they are

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trying to draw a line under that. The question now is how the banks

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will make money in this low interest rate environment going forward.

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Alix, thank you for coming on. Was that your first time? That was

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painless! Even with this man in the chair! It

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wasn't that bad, was it? Still to come, we will be talking to the big

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cars of Formula 1, McLaren. Keep your questions coming for what is

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happening in that arena. You are with Business Live from BBC News.

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Mobile giant Vodafone have released their trading update -

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and it shows a fall in group revenues of nearly 4%.

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The UK business was badly hit - down nearly 4%.

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Theo Leggett has been going through the figures.

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What are they looking like? They are not looking too bad. Yes, in the

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third quarter, group revenues were down by about 4%, ?13.7 billion. But

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their outlook for the year as a whole is pretty much unchanged.

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Vodafone says pre-tax earnings at the end of the year will come in at

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the lower end of its earnings guidance which was for growth of

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between 3% and 6%. So it's not as bad as it looks on the surface. If

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you delve into the figures, throughout Europe, which is a big

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market for Vodafone, it's actually doing well. Growth in Italy, Spain

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and Germany, but there is the problem in the UK, due to a lot of

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competition here. It is also down to lower revenues from roaming because

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of increased EU regulation. And it is also not selling as much air time

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to so-called virtual operators. So that is one potential problem for

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the company. But there is another issue, which is death it has

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suffered from currency effects. This is a huge company operating in a lot

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of currencies, and that has taken its toll on the bottom line as well.

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Earlier this week, we had the news from them which is saying they are

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kind of pulling out of India. They are having problems in India. They

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have a huge market that, more than 200 million subscribers, but there

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is a new entrant into the market, 'S reliance, and they have stirred

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things up because they have offered heavily discounted deals,

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and that is having a big effect on Vodafone's revenues. So now they are

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talking about a merger with another Indian provider, Indian cellular, to

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take on the new threat, but these things take time to get into action.

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At the moment, Reliance has really shaken things up and that has hurt

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Vodafone. Thanks, Theo. Another one we have mentioned this shell. --

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Shell. We are going to hear from their boss. He is saying with the

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pound dropping because of the Brexit vote, our petrol prices are going

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up. The big boss of McLaren and Shell will be here shortly.

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Facebook's latest results are better than expected,

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making it one of the biggest advertising businesses

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A quick look at how markets are faring.

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They have been on edge a bit since the Trump travel ban. They have been

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using the same expression Trump on, Trump off.

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Fourth quarter earnings for Shell fell 44% to $1bn -

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full year earnings were 8% down on 2015.

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The chief executive Ben Van Buerdon spoke to Ben Thompson

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a lot of their North Sea Oil assets.

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There are a number of levers we have to pull in an environment like this,

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and selling is an important aspect as well.

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It helps us, but it's not the only lever.

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Indeed, we have been about $5 billion behind

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We announced over the last few days another $5 billion of divestments,

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and we are close to announcing another $5 billion.

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So that is $15 billion of progress of what we said would be

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Another big geopolitical issue is the presidency of Donald Trump.

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He has confirmed his commitment to fossil fuels,

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That is great news for you, is it not?

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It's a bit early to see how that will play out.

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I think President Trump, being the businessman he is,

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is going to have a lot of focus on a business-friendly agenda.

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I think President Trump has also said he believes that every aspect

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of the energy system has a role to play, oil and gas

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being part of it as well as renewables, I would imagine.

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And I think that is a welcome development.

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Of course, we believe that the energy transition that we

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We want to be part of that energy transition.

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We want to have a portfolio that is resilient in the world

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with hopefully less than 2 degrees C in terms of warming up.

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And we think we can thrive in that world as well.

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They slide into each other, petrol and cars.

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The most high profile event is Formula 1 and just last

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week, its $8bn takeover by America's Liberty

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But there are many other events with different types of cars

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and bikes being raced all over the world.

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Our next guest runs the biggest digital media group in the world

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Motorsport Network connects hundreds of millions of people

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around the world who love motorsport and cars.

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It operates in 60 markets around the world and has been expanding

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And of course, languages are important in doing that,

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which is why it provides its various media in 17 different languages.

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Those services include TV and digital content, live events,

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merchandising and of course social networking.

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Zak Brown is Chair of Motorsport Network and Executive Director

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of McLaren Technology Group - and joins me now.

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Great to have you on the programme. I want to start with the big story

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of last week. It's like the changing landscape of Formula 1. Bernie

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Ecclestone, who pretty much created the whole thing, run it all by

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himself for a long time. He has kind of been pushed. Liberty Media has

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come in. How is it going to change things? I think we have great times

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ahead of us. Bernie obviously did a great job getting Formula 1 to where

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it is today. I can't think of another sport where an individual

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had such an impact. He was a second car salesman. Exactly, and he loves

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Formula 1. That said, we are in a new era. Things are happening that

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are different from the past. I think Liberty Media and the whole team are

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going to drive Formula 1 forward. Such a great sport, so much

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technology, so many different ways to engage with the fan. That is

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where we have fallen behind and where we need to catch up. To give

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our viewers a sense of where you fit in, you took over this whole

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organisation only in December. But you are a racer. You said that was

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70 lbs ago. You were talking about white! But let's talk about the

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issue of change in the industry. You say you are excited, but Christian

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Horner, the boss of Red Bull, told us that he believes the thrills are

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out. The audiences are falling. It is not about man and machine any

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more in the same way it used to be years ago, when it was really

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thrilling. It is now all about technology and the cars and how well

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they perform. The individual in the car is not so important. Well, the

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drivers are the heroes. The cars have become too much of the heroes

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and it is technology warfare, and Formula 1 has always been about

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technology. But it has lost its va-va-voom. Absolutely, so we need

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our heroes fighting again on the track. We have got some great

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racing. We also need to do a better job of telling the story. That is

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where the Motorsport Networks of the world, with the digital applications

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and the way we engage with fans, the product is great, but I don't think

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we have done a great job of showcasing the product and

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communicating with the fans. Talking of the Motorsport Network, which you

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are the chairman of, formula E. I am fascinated by this. I have done some

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stories on it. When you bring up the sound... Just expend what formula E

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is? It is electric car racing. If you look at where the auto industry

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is going, they have timed it perfectly. The technologies they are

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using, McLaren is now providing the batteries in season five. So right

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now, you have to change cars in the middle of the race because battery

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technology will not take you all the way through. McLaren have developed

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a new battery wear in season five, you will be able to use a single

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car. That shows the rapid progress of battery technology. So I think

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Formula E has a great place in motorsports. There are a lot of

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great different racing series. It is not to compete with Formula 1.

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Liberty happens to own them both. We should get some viewer questions on

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that. Particle seeker says, when are we going to see a full-size electric

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McLaren? I don't know. Can you give us a time frame? It is kind of like

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mobile phones. Remember when they were like a brick, and and now they

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are on your watch? So I think he was the battery technology progress at

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that type of pace. Ian says, how close are McLaren to securing that

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much awaited title sponsor? We have a ways to go. I only started 45 days

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ago and I appreciate that everyone thinks I have a magic wand. Come on,

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deliver! We have to wrap this up, but when you came in and with what

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we are seeing with President Trump, you said surrounding yourself with

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the right people was important. We are in the people business. We

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develop technology and we need the right people in the right places

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with the right resources. Such a pleasure to have you on the show,

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Zak. We have a much windier spell of

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weather than we have seen recently. Some pretty unsettled conditions on

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the cards over the next few days. Brisk winds

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