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with Susannah Streeter and Aaron Heslehurst.

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Eight years in the making, the European Parliament backs a big

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Could it serve as a model for a future British deal,

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Live from London, that's our top story on Thursday 16th February.

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It's Canada's biggest trade deal since the controversial

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North America Free Trade Agreement, but not everyone is a fan of CETA.

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We'll run you through the details later in the show.

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Also in the programme: Second time lucky?

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Prosecutors in South Korea get another shot at arresting

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Let's look at what is happening on the markets. The board is playing up

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a little, I'm afraid, we can see the Footsie slipped a little after a bit

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of a lacklustre run in Asia. Do you fancy yourself

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as a James Bond... Later in the programme,

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we'll speak to the boss of a company providing

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high octane team-building exercises. Exciting or just excessive?

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Stay tuned and decide for yourself! Also today, Nokia could be

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resurrecting the iconic 3310 phones. So we want to know,

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what retro technology would you like to bring back?

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Just use the hashtag, #BBCBizLive. After eight years of negotiations,

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the EU parliament has approved a landmark free trade deal

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with Canada. Lawmakers in Strasbourg voted

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in favour of the so-called CETA agreement, which is hoped to add

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billions of dollars both Once fully implemented,

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the deal will eliminate 99% of the tariffs between

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Canada and the EU. And the European Commission

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estimates that this could increase trade between the two regions

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by nearly a quarter. Now that the EU Parliament has

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given the green light to the deal, both sides can start

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removing trade barriers. But the agreement goes

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beyond the simple removal of tariffs and calls for further reforms

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which would require ratification This includes the controversial

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measures such as the creation of a dedicated

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court to settle disputes CETA is Canada's biggest trade deal

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since the North America Some campaign groups have pointed to

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CETA as a potential model for Brexit, once the UK formally leaves

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the European Union. Andreas Hoepner, is an Associate

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Professor of Finance Great to have you with us in the

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studio. A lot of MEPs giving themselves pats on the back, using

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words like, a watershed moment, EU trade policy will never be the same,

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so who is the biggest winner, the EU or Canada?

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I would say both are winners, but the biggest winner is Canada. Canada

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will have access coming forward to the North American market, and the

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European market. Europe certainly is a winner, following 2016, it is a

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successful Europe. The biggest winner within Europe, I think is

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France, because of the relationship with a French-speaking area.

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That is a good point. Are we here, with there? It has still got to be

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ratified, and I write, by all the members. And that was little

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Belgium! The French speaking part of Belgium.

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Region parliament has two ratify everything, so there are a lot of

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steps to go through. -- has two ratify. It seems quite likely that

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it is all going the right way. We have elections, could they

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disrupt? If Germany gets a change, the Netherlands, could it change the

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deal? We have seen a level of opposition

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as well. All the protesters that stormed the European Parliament

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building, dressed up, saying it was a poor deal, anti-globalisation

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protesters, and that strength of feeling is growing, isn't it?

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We have elections. Election forecasts are difficult bees days.

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Don't listen to the polls! It could change the European Union

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more generally. The protesters are important, and make a lot of

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relevant points, from an environment perspective, but if you ask them to

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pick a deal, nearly everyone would take CETA. Essentially, some of the

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concerns have been heard. The deal has been made better from their

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perspective to a degree, and the protest will continue, but it is

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better for Europe of the two deals. Some suggest it is such a good deal,

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the model of it, not we, says the Australian, the Brits, as a possible

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model to use a trade model for when Brexit happens.

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The Brits can very much look at it as a deal for them, and Canada, and

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for the UK and Europe deal, it doesn't cover financial services,

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and that is an important point. It does not cover it all. The same

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question, does Europe see it as a potential deal, or look to

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Switzerland and Norway four separate deals? I do really think it is

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relevant. Andreas Hoepner, thank you for your

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time and for coming in. Donald Trump's choice for labour

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secretary has pulled out of the race Andrew Puzder lost the support

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of several Republican senators after he admitted employing

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an illegal immigrant The fast-food billionaire had been

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criticised for his remarks on women He's the first Trump cabinet pick

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to fail to secure a nomination. Internet group Yahoo has reportedly

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agreed a price cut on its initial Verizon's purchase of Yahoo's core

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internet arm was put in doubt last year after disclosure

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of two cyber attacks. Several reports in the US said Yahoo

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has now accepted a price cut of up to $350 million and agreed to share

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liability with Verizon News of the renegotiated terms

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was first reported by Bloomberg, which said an announcement

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could come this week. Elsewhere, Snapchat, all the

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Internet giant's throne contenders, look at Snapchat.

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They said it could be 25 billion, this is when it goes public, and

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lists in New York on the stock exchange. It came up with a

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valuation of 19.5 billion to 22.2 billion. It has never made a profit,

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and it is a similar story to Facebook.

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It is a unicorn. We know that already. Similar to five years ago

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in 2012, with Facebook. Looking at Twitter as well, it is

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still struggling. Everyone is saying the same that

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Snapchat has to learn to monetise. It does succeed in having a lot of

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younger users, which Twitter is failing to do. We will have two C.

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Do you use it? -- we will have to see.

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For the second time in three weeks, a court will decide whether to grant

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a request to arrest the head of South Korea's largest company.

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Will the prosecutors be lucky, if you will, this time?

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We don't know yet. We will find out at the end of this week, but we

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speak of the de facto head of Samsung group. He is trying to avoid

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a second arrest warrant after allegations against him were widened

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to include concealing a criminal profit and hiding assets overseas.

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This is along with the earlier claims of bribery, embezzlement and

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perjury. Mr Lee has denied wrongdoing. The South Korean

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president has orally been impeached, hushed -- already been impeached.

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While the arrest has been sought today, investigators have also today

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been denied access to the blue house, South Korea's seat of power

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to question the nation's president. The plot thickens. That is a story

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we will stay across. There has been a starter in world markets.

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Japan's Nikkei fell half a per cent over worry that perhaps the global

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Another positive assessment of the US economy,

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and reassurance over tax reform from President Donald Trump.

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Lets take a quick look at how European indices have opened.

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They are all down, they have pretty much run out of steam after that

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lacklustre session in Asia. Michelle Fleury has

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the details about what's ahead US stocks sale into Thursday powered

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by record highs on the indexes. They all finished at all-time highs.

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While the American Pluto system may feel like it is in chaos. The

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economy is in rude health. Janet Yellin appeared at Capitol Hill on

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Thursday and reiterated the strength of the US economy. And for proof,

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she could point to retail sales, which again, were significantly

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higher, and showed a good deal of strength. What about the other

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pillar of the US economy? That is the housing market. With interest

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rates going up, and with signs that there might be more rent rises to

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come, what will it do to borrowing costs? What is the knock-on effect

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for housing? Economists will be looking at housing starts, as well

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as wielding permits for January as an early indication.

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James, good to see you. Thanks for coming in. We want to start on the

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US, the proposal, the border tax, and I believe all the US retailers

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met Donald Trump yesterday and said they didn't want it.

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It has not been reflected, the import tax could affect the bottom

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line. Quite right. There has been a huge

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wave of infusing as in, looking at it this one it. They have welcomed

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the Trump agenda. They have argued for a lengthy period of two

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challenges they face on taxation and regulation, and Mr Trump's headline

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expectation. He will address the challenges, and it has gone down

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well. A border charge, a tariff, it is a tax by a different route. That

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is worrying, interns of the sustainability of the expected

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earnings rate. The index of the larger companies in the United

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States, pencilling in at 11 percentage points of this year, 12

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next. It allows the market to get reasonably to 2400 or 2500. More

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than that, it looks like risky territory, as we seal real evidence

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that we can get sustainable noninflationary growth. Given that

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we have had employment at less than 5% to nine months in a row in the

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States, it is hard to see that achieved.

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You will take us through the papers when you come back.

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Still to come: Do you fancy yourself

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as a James Bond... Later in the programme,

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we'll speak to the boss of a company providing

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high octane team-building exercises. Exciting or just excessive?

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Stay tuned and decide for yourself! You're with Business

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Live from BBC News. Iceland has been ranked, the store,

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the top supermarket for online shopping in a new Survey by Which?

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magazine. Waitrose has come top

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for instore experience. Asda has fallen to last place

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behind Tesco and Sainsbury's. Richard Headland is the editor of

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Which? magazine. a bit of a surprise, Richard.

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What is Iceland doing? How has it edged ahead of Waitrose

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and the big names you would expect, ploughing so much into online

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deliveries. Iceland is still a relative newcomer

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to the online shopping game. It is the second year running they have

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come top in the online charts and are doing much better as an online

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supermarket. Waitrose and M are coming tops again this year.

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What is the secret of Iceland's success? What are they doing? Is it

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just on cost, or is there something about the customer service? It must

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be that as well. They do really well on value for

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money. That is especially important when people are shopping online

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because they are doing their big shops online and getting more stuff

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delivered. It is also really good on substitutions, the driver service,

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convenient delivery slots. It is making sure you get the stuff you

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ordered when you expected to get it. Online is crucial now, isn't it, for

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all the big supermarkets, and getting that right is really

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essential for the bottom line. It is interesting to see Waitrose

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top in the bricks and mortar but bottom of the online survey, it

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there is scope for improvement with some of the big name, in the bricks

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and mortar survey you have Aldi and Liddle challenging the likes of M

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and Waitrose, five-stars for value for money, the quality of the

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products is good. Some way to go on the quality of the instore

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experience though. Richard, great stuff, we appreciate your time.

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Short and sweet. Do you shop at Iceland? I don't think I have

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ever... If it is cheaper I like it, I am not posh or stuck up with my

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shops. Preponderance Tata worker, the Tata workers quid pro quo, they

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voted yesterday to close their final salary pension scheme, which had

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assets of about 15 billion. They want to have a job. Absolutely.

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After eight years of negotiationses the EU par. Has approved a landmark

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free trade deal with Canada. Lawmakers in Strasbourg voted

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in favour of the so-called CETA agreement, which is hoped to add

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billions of dollars both Once fully implemented,

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the deal will eliminate 99% of the tariffs between Canada

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and the EU and the European Commission estimates that this

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could increase trade between the two Have you ever dreamt

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of being James Bond? One company says it can make

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those dreams a reality! Secret Me is a company offering spy

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experience weekends, which teach things like surveillance

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and hand-to-hand combat. The packages are run by ex-special

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forces operatives and are designed to let people find out how

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they would react in But the price tag -

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which can run up to ?250,000 for a fully immersive espionage

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experience - means only Sara Fazlali is the

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co-founder of Secret Me. Thafrn you. It is a huge price tag,

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who is paying it? We have all sorts of clients, from hedge fund manager,

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CEOs, A-lister, entrepreneur, to kind of just business people, and

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traders who want to do something different and learn about

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themselves, a bit more. I want to know, do I come to you and you have

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a something like, I don't want to kill Susanna one day as a pretend. I

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am fully trained. You could kill me. How does it work? We have a list of

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packages and you have to do the first training weekend before you

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can do the immersive kind of experience, I guess. And you can

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choose between what we offer, so you can choose whether you want to do

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driving or not. You can choose whether you want to do active

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shooter or kidnap and hostage rescues, so within the different

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skills you can say can we focus more on that one and we say do you want

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to be Lara Croft or Jason born. You can adapt and change and make it

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more about you and your group. The thing is, if you are an employer and

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you realise your CEO has spend 250,000 on a weekend experience you

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might be mightily... You might be might aggrieved I should say. Excuse

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me. I I am using it in the American term The weekend is only 10,000. Oh,

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?10,000 So it is a much different price tag between it and I don't

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think it is, is there a price tag to kind of understanding yourself, how

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you cope with stress, learning how to think in a different way when you

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are under pressure? Is it a hard sell? Or when you start it about six

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years ago. It was, because there is nothing else like us out there, it

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was a very new product and getting people to understand it is not just

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an experience you are learning real life skills that are useful in every

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day scenarios as well, is, is a challenge. But now we have we are

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almost six years old, people understand that, we have been out

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there and we get a lot of return there and we get a lot of return

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client, the CEOs are saying can we bring our entire team. You could get

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the same experience if you signed up as a reSerb visit for the Armed

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Forces. -- reservist. You rub offered the same kind of training.

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We are not really. Our focus is on the psychology behind you,

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understanding your psychology, how you cope with stress, how to use

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that with other people. We teach seduction that how the mind and body

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connect. I will sign up for that one! I can see you doing that one.

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It does remind me of The Game. That is where it came from. I saw the

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film. It came from two things, one is that film and I love the idea of

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immersive thing that challenges you, we don't have my experiences in life

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that help us find out what we are capable of. You can though gone on

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mini experience, other companies provide things like you pay for an

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evening to go on a date and escape from a locked room. Have you seen

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more firms offering similar things? It is a different ballpark, it is

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interesting for us, those one day experiences are something we could

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do but for us it is about the immersiveness, we have special

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forces and intelligence officers is as intruck stores, you are are

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really being taught from the best of the best. If you turn round at the

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end and you not good at surveillance you will never be, you understand

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what that means and where your assets is lie. We will leave it

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there, we really appreciate it. I am glad you said your name because I

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called you Sarah before, it is Sarah.

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-- Sara. In a moment we will take you through

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What other business stories has the media been

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James Bevan from CCLA Investment Management joins us again.

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We are are have been talking about the dock -- Nokia, the come back of

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the Nokia, that hand set that was so popular and went out of fashion, but

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apparently, Nokia may be thinking about a revamp, do you think it will

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fit well in this current market? If one were to say what surveys tell us

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about people want, they want simplicity, they wand indestruct

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built, they want low cost, simplicity of operation and a better

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battery. The bat triis fabulous, one Samsung has a better one but very

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few people wanted it because it didn't have the same sort of classic

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functionality that the Nokia had. I worry in bringing it back they will

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miss the fact that people would like it slightly upgraded, so they would

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like basic additional features like Facebook. Smart stuff about it. Can

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I say, thank you for your tweet, we asked you what other retro product

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would you bring back. Terry said the Walkman. I agree with live in a

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bubble of history where we remember the things we enjoy, we don't

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remember how irritating it was when the cassettes got stuck in the

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machine, I mentioned, a couple of other ones... Game Boy, that, Nokia

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hand sets are sought after, the early versions aren't they, even

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mobile phones... It be the 59 euros for the new one, that is the sort of

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thing people going away for a weekend can take it and if they lose

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it or break it, so what? It is not the same problem if you lose your

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smartphone. Talking about battery life. Mineral is actually getting,

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cobalt is getting really popular, hedge funds are stockpiling cobalt

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and that is because there is demand from the ultra long life batteries.

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Interestingly the consensus expectation is that the price will

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fall from here through 2017 and 2018, the market is in great turmoil

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in terms of trying to understand where it is going from here. There

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are ethical issues because a lot of the cobalt is mined in thing on go

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using child labour, this will cause a furore. Amazon on the brink of

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launching its fashion label, do you think they could make a success?

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Yes, they have been successful in food retailing. They have

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demonstrated delivery and quality matter more than anything, they can

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do both. They do. London Fashion Week launching... They have brands

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already, they are doing a certain number of products and they are

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demonstrating success. Thank you James.

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Good morning. Bit more sunshine round today compared with yesterday,

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it is zrieer foreEngland and Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland more of a

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breeze compared with yesterday, that breeze comes because of a low

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pressure to the north of Scotland, winds, touching gale force for a

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few. We will see a lot more showers round, showers in western Scotland

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this morning, only one or two reaching the east. Showers easing

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into the afternoon but Northern Ireland after a bright Morning

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Clouding over with rain. Much of England and Wales mist and fog this

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morning clearing to leave a largely dry and sunny day, especially in

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southern County, pleasant in the sunshine too, with a gentle breeze,

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could see temperatures round Torbay, Exeter getting to 14. Other spots

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close to 12, 13. Cloud into the Midlands, the outside chance of a

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shower. Patchy rain to end the day. Damper end in Northern Ireland,

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heavy bursts of rain, Scotland, showers tend to ease off, as does

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the breeze, and some will finish the day with a bit of sunshine.

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Temperatures above where they should be for the time of year. The rain in

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Northern Ireland will come and go all night long. Extending in north

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Wales, parts of north-west England and with a bit of light rain towards

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the south-east, that cloudier zone is where temperatures will hold up.

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To the south-west, may get a frost, greater chance of a frost, North

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East England fog patches. It will take a while to shift. Lovely bright

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day, lots of sur, a bit of sunshine at times in the south-west and South

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Wales. Not as much as today, from Northern Ireland, through north-west

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England, down to the Midland and the south-east, fairly cloudy day, some

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sunny spells, temperatures where you get the sunshine and with light wind

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feeling on the pleasant side, most above where it should be for the

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time of year. Into the weekend, we stay with the temperatures above

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where they should be. Nights on the cool side where skies are clear,

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some sunshine round for all of us throughout the weekend. There will

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be rain at times too. Northern and western parts of the UK, strong and

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gusty winds, that rain Superintendent by the end of the

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day. The further south and east you stay dry. Into Sunday we start with

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patchy rain, that clears through to sunshine, a sunnier start. Wind into

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Scotland later in the day. Enjoy your Thursday.

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