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This is Business Live from BBC News with Ben Bland and Rachel Horne.

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The world's largest advertising firm, WPP, says 2017

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Live from London, that's our top story on Friday the 3rd of March.

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Last year may have been another good year for the advertising giant WPP

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but it says the year ahead looks less certain.

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What does this tell us about the state of the global economy?

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And for the first time ever, the digital currency Bitcoin is now

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A softer open for the main European indices. We will be having a look at

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what is moving world markets and why.

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And we'll be getting the inside track on all the biggest

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stories of the week with our economics editor, Kamal Ahmed,

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including the stock market debut of Snapchat's parent company.

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The shares jumped more than 40% on their first day of trading.

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Well, one American school which invested $15,000

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in the startup back in 2012, has banked millions,

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so today we want to know what's the best investment

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It often serves as an important key early indicator of how well

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When advertising is doing well, we're buying and selling

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The world's biggest advertising agency, WPP, has just

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published its full-year results in the last hour and a half.

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In a moment we'll hear from the company's founder

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and Chief Executive, Sir Martin Sorrell, but first let's

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Annual pre-tax profits of $2.3 billion for the group,

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The group has reported 2016 like-for-like net sales up 3.1%.

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However, that growth may be about to change as WPP has set

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"conservative" sales targets of 2% for 2017, based on more

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WPP's Chief Executive, Sir Martin Sorrell, joins us now

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Thank you for speaking to us. Let's look at these figures, profit up but

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you are expecting slower growth next year. Why? Not mix did this year. We

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had a strong 2016, another record year -- not next year. The profits

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were over ?2 billion, not dollars, although there is not so much

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different as that used to be. What we saw was a slowing in quarter four

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and a slow start to 2017. Worldwide GDP growth is about 3.5 to four

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point -- percent. We are seeing stronger growth market in Latin

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America and Middle East and Central and eastern Europe but tougher

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conditions generally and if we look at inflation, very little, maybe a

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bit more here in the UK post Brexit and the devaluation of the pound and

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maybe a bit more coming in America with President Trump's expansionist

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policies if they are in fermented. Generally little pricing power -- if

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they are in fermented. Three forces are pushing the clients,

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technological disruption, digital disruption, the second is zero-based

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budgeting, a fashionable deconstruction of cost but its width

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is putting pressure on costs and also activist investors. That is all

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encouraging people to focus more on the short-term than the long term

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and not on innovation and brand building which is key to success in

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our view in the long term. I wanted to ask you about Snap. You spent $90

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million on it. We account for about 25% of the world's media markets and

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that was roughly the proportion we invested in Snap. Do you think they

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can live up to the hype and work out how to make enough revenue to turn a

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profit? Early days but it is competition for Facebook which is to

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be welcomed. Our clients and ourselves, our third largest client,

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the CMO, was talking about the importance of measurement for

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Facebook and Google. Google is easier to measure in that it is

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search and you can see the sales results more clearly but Facebook is

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more difficult to measure. Snapchat has the same issue as it competes

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with Facebook and Amazon builds its search capability to compete with

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Google and what we need is better data. Often the privacy issue is

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used as the reason why data is not used as the reason why data is not

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as prevalent or at exposed as it should be. Sometimes that is an

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excuse, a figleaf, not the real reason, but clearly what our clients

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want and what Snapchat will have to prove is that return on investment

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from using Snapchat as a medium is as effective or more effective than

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Facebook or any other medium and that is the key battle. Measurement

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of traditional media is pretty efficient of -- but measurement of

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new media is pretty much nonexistent so we have to expand that capability

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to get the appropriate returns that we are seeing. Other issues like

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fake news, which you know a fair bit about on the BBC in terms of subject

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matter, on brand safety, media placement, fraud, those are other

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important issues. And last year about a third of your investors

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opposed your pay deal, it went ahead. That opposition was up from

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about 22% oppose it the previous year. Will that increasing

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opposition have an impact on your pay deal this year? The discussions

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about pay continue and our company is no different to any other. There

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are discussions taking place between compensation committees and chairman

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with the Institute of investors about what pay should be. Our plans

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are to be based on performance and I think in the last five year run of

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our last plan, which has just crystallised, we have outperformed

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97.5% of the FTSE 100 if I remember correctly and the value of the total

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shareholder return it up by over 200% over that five-year period. It

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is about a question of pay for performance. Thank you for your time

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this morning. Music streaming service Spotify says

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it's reached the landmark It's grown by 25% in less

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than six months and has now widened its lead over its nearest

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rival Apple Music. The Swedish company

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is reportedly considering a US It's already one of Europe's most

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highly valued startups, A South Korean court has said

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the first hearing in the trial of Samsung's de facto boss Jay Y Lee

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will be held on 9th March. Earlier this week, the man who runs

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one of the world's biggest companies was indicted on charges including

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bribery and embezzlements. He's admitted making donations

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linked to the president, but denied the accusations

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that he sought political A quick look on the tablet because

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there is an interesting story about the London stock exchange who have

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resulted out, revenue up 14%, operating profit up 1% but in those

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results, the LSE said it continued to work hard on the proposed merger

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with Butcher Bourse, which many thought was dead in the water --

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with the German market. Europe income position regulators objected

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to the deal but they are waiting for the outcome of the decision which is

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due on the 3rd of April 2017 and that merger something will still

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happen and we will keep an eye on it. You can read more about it on

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our website. It's a big day for computer

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games giant Nintendo. It starts selling its latest

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device, the Switch. It's kind of hybrid machine,

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combining a home console And it's safe to say it is a massive

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gamble for Nintendo, which is trying to recapture its glory days

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as a games company in Some are even calling

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it "make or break'. Tell us more. Nintendo is under

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intense pressure to reboot its hardware sales business with the

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Nintendo tending to have poor sales. The WiiU also lagged behind

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competing consoles. They say that launching Switch button in a

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different ball game. Mobile is a fast-growing gaming segment and a

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hybrid device, Switch has deep integration with smartphones and

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also allows Nintendo to stay true to its roots in the self top console

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business. That also worries from gamers in the complaint as it does

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not offer many games and if it fails, Nintendo might have to

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rethink its hardware business. But for now it shares have jumped today

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about 4%, defying the rest of the Tokyo stock market. Thank you.

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Shares across Asia pulled back on Friday, shadowing

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Japan's Nikkei ended the session lower despite a weakening

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yen which usually helps to prop-up exporters.

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Shares in Hong Kong and Shanghai slipped ahead of the opening of the

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national peoples Congress, something where China's leaders may announce

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new measures to rein in debt and tighten up the side of financial

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markets. A softer open for

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the European markets - the FTSE, the DAX and the CAC

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all opening lower. Traders are becoming increasingly

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confident the Federal Reserve That puts some downward

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pressure on global markets because it draws investors

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towards US currency Let's find out what is in store on

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Wall Street. How soon will US

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interest rates rise? Janet Yellen is scheduled to speak

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in Chicago this Friday, one day before the US Central Bank

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enters a quiet period ahead Her words could shed light

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on whether the Federal Reserve will Rate expectations have gone up

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for a couple of reasons. The economy continues to improve

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and the stock market has a new record this week,

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the Dow Jones industrial average closed above 21,000,

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just four weeks after hitting 20,000 In other economic news,

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the Institute for Supply Management releases its non-manufacturing

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index for February. Also, keep an eye on

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Caterpillar's share price. The heavy goods maker's stock

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plunged after federal agents raided raided its offices in Illinois,

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believed to be related Joining us is Richard Dunbar,

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Investment Director Thank you for coming in. I want talk

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you about digital crypto currency. Otherwise known as BitCoin. This is

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performed very well relative to other currencies. But nobody is

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quite sure who controls it, and the supply, but they are certain that

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central banks don't control it. It is very shadowing, it came from

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nowhere. It tends to fund the darker corners of the Internet but it has

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many advantages in that the general policy of central banks as to be to

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devalue their currencies but BitCoin does not have those Fassett and that

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has been a real attraction in the past ten years. -- with those

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assets. And it is now exceeded the price of an ounce of gold so it is a

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real milestone for a currency that is still relatively in its infancy.

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It is, but nobody knows who controlled it, it is peer to peer so

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there is no control of supply and it has been very volatile relative to

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other currencies around the world and buyers should beware. Do you

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have any of it? No! I was reading about how you do get it, you have an

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address that acts as your account and it adds to that and it is the

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anonymity that draws people in because the transaction can be done

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part of it is down to people trying to evade currency controls in China

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and get money out of the country. And I suspect everything we have

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spoken about should suggest the wear. Richard, you will be back to

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talk to us about our paper story and think about what is the best

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investment you have ever made after a school invested ?50,000 in Snap of

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a start-up. -- ?15,000. We will be talking about Snapchat's

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stock market debut. You are with business life.

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Even with its merger under threat, it seems the LSE

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In the 12 months to December, revenue was up 14% at ?1.5 billion,

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although operating profit was just 1% higher.

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The London Stock Exchange Group says it "continues to work hard

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on its proposed merger with Deutsche Borse".

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Our correspondent Theo Leggett joins us now.

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It looked last week or earlier this week that the whole merger would be

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off and this seems like a turnaround? It does although nothing

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is certain until the 3rd of April when the European Commission comes

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out and says what it thinks about this merger. But you are right, the

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London stock exchange through the markets on the bombshell last

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weekend when it said that it wasn't prepared to go ahead with this

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merger with Deutsche Borse under the conditions which they expect that

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the European Commission to impose and that would mean getting rid of

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its Italian bond trading platform, saying it was not willing to do

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that. Underlying that there are various reports from people close to

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the negotiations suggesting the real reason is a certain amount of

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conflict between the boardroom of the London stock exchange and that

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of Deutsche Borse over where the centre of gravity of this new group

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would become if it would be in London or in Frankfurt and some

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German politicians are unhappy it looks like gravitating towards

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London. But in this statement, the London stock exchange says the group

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has worked hard on the proposed merger with dreich which received

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formal approval from both sets of shareholders and this would be an

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industry defining combination of expanding their present in global

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markets and -- anchored in Europe and delivering significant customer

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and shareholder benefits. Considering the obituaries for this

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deal written in the past week, it sounds like strong stuff so we will

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have to wait and see what the LSE wants to do.

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We have a story here about zero hours contract, a type of contract

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that became popular following the financial crisis with the idea it

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gave businesses more leeway to reduce staff hours, also some would

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argue it gives those holding the contract more choice. We have

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figuring showing there is a record high number of people with zero hour

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contract. 910,000. The rate of increase is slowing. You can get

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more on our website. You're watching Business

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Live - our top story. The world's largest

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advertising firm - WPP - has reported its latest results

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and it warns that 2017 A quick look at how

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markets are faring. You can see European markets, they

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are all down ever so slightly, in a week where we saw a real boom in the

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States, continuing record highs but falling off yesterday, Asian markets

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down overnight and the European markets following that trend.

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And now let's get the inside track this week - we've had record levels

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on the FTSE and Dow, with the Dow reaching over

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21,000 on Wednesday, the day after President Trump's

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And yesterday was the day for the most anticipated tech market

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Snap - the owner of photo messaging app Snapchat -

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made its debut on the stock market in the US.

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Snap closed its first day of trading at $24.48,

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Our economics editor Kamal Ahmed joins us now.

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Welcome to the programme. We have to start with Snap. It is fascinating,

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the shares come with no voting right, the company has yet to make a

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profit. Do you think it will live up to the hype? It is impossible to

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say. What we are seeing here, is as you said about the markets, a world

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awarn with cash. Cash. There haven't been many tech flotation, you

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mention Twitter,ally. Be aba but there has been little avenue for

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people to take investment in new tech start ups and so what Snap is

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doing is offering the market a different type of awed yearnings it

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is not only young, it is an audience that is about friendship, if you

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think of Twitter being about stranger, Facebook being about again

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tantss Snapchat about friendship groups and this idea that young

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people put much more value on that, than they do on being on Twitter or

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Facebook which is a more distant type of relationship. So yes it is

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risky, of course it hasn't made a profit, Facebook tried to buy Snap

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in 2013 for $3 billion. This puts it at just under 30 billion. But yes,

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it is a risk but if it pays off for the investors it can pay off in a

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grand way. I was going to ask about the change in tone we heard from

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President Trump this week. Much softer than he has been in that

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speech. That is right. What is interesting, it is almost linked in

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way. There is confidence in markets, Snap has revealed that in a way. I

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remember being here on the night after President Trump was elected

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and we talked about this idea was he going to be campaigning Trump or

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more Presidential? In the intervening period he has been more

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like campaigning Trump, aggressive, controversial, attacking the media,

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certainly the address to the joint houses of Congress was much more

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benign, much more presidential as some would describe it, softer on

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things like immigration, talking about tax deeregulation, the need

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for investment. Bringing America together and the markets have

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responded positively to that. We look though at the markets not just

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in isolation about Trump but also about the possibility of interest

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rate rises, but the Federal Reserve, and also that global growth is

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coming back, and the eurozone has soon stronger growth. America is

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seeing stronger growth and all these things are coming together in a low

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interest environment. Lots of cash oner cop rat balance sheets and it

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is making this rather frothy environment that we are seeing at

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the moment. I want to go back to Snap. We had Sir Martin sorrel at

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the top of the programme. He was warping it is going to be a tougher

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year for advertiser, I am fascinated by the fact the shares have rocketed

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on the first day of trading when they haven't worked out how to

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Monday tie them. We are told they need to work out how to get theed

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advertising. It doesn't bode well. Sir Martin made a very interesting

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They don't want to be trapped in They don't want to be trapped in

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having to advertise with Facebook or with Google, who are commanding the

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new markets in advertising at the moment, and that is why Snap could

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be successful, because if they can find a way of encouraging their

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millions of user, young users to also use Snap as a way of what, of

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understanding what they want to buy, then that becomes an incredibly

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valuable proposition. This is 16-25-year-olds. These are the sweet

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spot sector for advertisers and if WPP can find them and find access

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Snap could be profitable. Thank you for joining us.

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Southern Africa has suffered extensively from a wide-spread

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But now there's a new threat to the region's agriculture -

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a plague of army worms - caterpillar-like pests that

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In Zambia, the maize crop has been attacked by the worms and that's

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raised fears that the cost of the country's staple food Nshima

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Let's see what other stories are being talked

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We will start with Snapchat. Because there is a story in business

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insider, about a school that invested $15,000 in Snapchat when it

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was a start up. They have banked millions this week, what has been

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the best investment you have made? Two best, my personal one I would

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suggest my house, best investment in the business, a company called

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Burford Capital. We made five times our money. And the characterisation

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of that is one that people weren't interested in, a market people

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didn't know, where there wasn't much competition so a road not well

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travelled but more so today. Have you got a good investment? I am

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seeing some of the ones tweeteded in. Steve Clarke said best

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investment is property, it can be rented out whereas shares are just

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parked. Interesting take on that. Mine was a trip, I managed to see

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the Northern Lights. Well done. Let us see what other stories are we

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covering today. The discounters because we have got Liddle or is it

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Aldi? It was Aldi. Aldi starts online sales in China

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this month, and using Australian supplier, an interesting tie up. It

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is. And Aldi have been underestimated in virtually every

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market they have come into. They have been underestimated in the UK

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market when they have been competing against our big supermarket, they

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are going quietly into China, they are partners with Ali Baba. They are

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doing it with a Chinese partner. Carefully. So I suspect that is one

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worth watching and they will do well. So soft launch initially.

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Perhaps a bigger one in April and some stores as well. Interesting, we

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will keep eye eye on that. Have a great weekend. Have a great weekend.

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See you soon. Bye. Good morning. A different day today,

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it is starting soggy in the south, we still have a mattering of hill

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snow in

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