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This is Business Live from BBC News with Sally Bundock

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A European car colossus in the making.

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France's Peugeot-Citroen is buying General Motors' European business,

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including the Opel and Vauxhall brands, for $2.3 billion.

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Live from London, that's our top story on Monday 6 March.

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Two car giants come together but is today's deal

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a sign of things to come for the European autos industry?

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What does it mean for jobs and the choice of vehicles on the road? We

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will be getting an expert view. China's Premier cuts the economic

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growth target for this year. We look at the risks to the world's

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second largest economy. And the European trading week has

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begun. All the main markets are headed south. In Germany, Deutsche

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Bank shares are pulling down that market.

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We'll speak to the boss of a company bringing the likes of Hozier

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and Bastille straight to your living room.

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Today we want to know, as more car brands consolidate, does it matter

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which badges on the back of your car? Is there enough choice in the

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car market? Do get in touch with your thoughts

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on this story. Our top story today. General Motors, as was widely

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expected is selling Opel and Vauxhall

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General Motors will sell Opel

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the French company that owns Peugeot and Citroen.

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As we speak, both companies are hosting a press

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Buying GM's loss-making European operations will make PSA

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the continent's second-biggest car maker after Volkswagen and ahead

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Last year, PSA and GM Europe sold a combined 4.3 million

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vehicles and posted revenues of $75.9 billion.

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But the deal has already raised fears in the UK the jobs of 4,500

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workers at Vauxhall's plants could be under threat.

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In Germany, where two-thirds of Opel's 38,000 staff

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are based the Government has been seeking reassurances

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Opel had hoped to return to profitability by 2016,

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but the slide in the value of sterling following the EU

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referendum last June contributed to its 272 million

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With me is Jim Holder, Editorial Director of Autocar.

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So, is this a good deal for PSA given that GM has been losing money

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there are a lot of questions because of the $15 billion loss since 2000.

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Most people are realising that PSA seems to have a very good deal on

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their hands. If they can leverage the scale they are going to create

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through this deal, they could turn the business ran very quickly. It

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was on the cusp of making a profit last year and think they can make a

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proper bishop was it could turn into a very good deal very quickly. Will

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it be a good deal for workers? Could be factories right across Europe

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under this group. There have been real concerns about jobs. In the UK

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it has been stated jobs might be more safe following a post Brexit

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world. There are around 20 factories in all Europe, two in the UK. They

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all need to prove their competitiveness. They are all

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underperforming and are being underused as they will have to

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rationalise what they have. In a hard Brexit situation, where there

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to be tariffs on goods, he could gain an advantage by having a

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factory here. Certainly the market share of Peugeot, such in and

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Vauxhall would be around 400,000 cars and could keep a factory

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running very effectively. -- citron. Would there be less choice for

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consumers? In all likelihood, probably not. There will be more

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choice of engines and body stars because they would utilise the same

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parts in different cars. They will have different bodies and different

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badges on the cards, much like the Boxall group has done very

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successfully for many years. What has happened regarding pensions? GM

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has effectively agreed to carry on but burden of the pensions. Those

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that transferred to it is agreed to put in 3 billion euros as a payment

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to cover them. PSA comes away without any real liability for the

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pension transfer. Very briefly, why did GM want to off-load this group

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if PSA can see a bright future for it? They are talking very clearly

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about agility. Opel was a small part of it. It was constrained. PSA sees

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a way of unleashing the potential, investing in and making something of

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as a result. Thank you a much for talking to us. It is all about the

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timing. The Geneva motor show gets under way in earnest and so these

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two companies wanted to make that announcement ahead of that. We saw

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live riches of the ongoing press conference in Paris. Let's go onto

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other news. Deutsche Bank plans to raise

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about $8.5bn by issuing new shares. The share sale by the troubled

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German bank is part The bank will partially

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float its asset management business and retain Postbank -

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the retail banking business it had Deutsche will be reorganised around

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three divisions: private banking and wealth management,

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asset management, and corporate Germany's biggest bank is trying

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to reshape itself after grappling with huge losses and nearly

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$16bn in legal fines imposed The US is suspending a fast track

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service often used by technology companies to recruit

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foreign skilled workers. The H-1B visa is issued to tens

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of thousands of highly skilled Currently, companies can pay

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extra to get the visas But starting in April,

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this process will be That is following some of the

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changes made by President Trump. Aberdeen asset management and

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standard life have agreed terms for a merger. It will create one of the

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UK's largest fund managers with assets of $810 billion. Let's talk

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about China. China's national people's congress

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convened this weekend in Beijing's Great Hall

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of the People. The 3,000-strong event is staged

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each year by the party, and is a forum to rubber stamp

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legislature for the year ahead. But China's economy is struggling,

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and in Premier Li's annual report he gave some clues

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about the year ahead. He talked specifically about growth

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in China. That is really a key factor that many market watchers are

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keen to find out just how well, or not so well, China is performing.

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That is right. 6.5% would be the kind of growth rate many economies

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elsewhere would die for. You are right. In the Chinese context, it is

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another sign of slowing growth. We are a long way from the era of

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double digit economic expansion. To some extent this is all planned, all

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to be expected. China is supposedly going through this economic

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transition, weaning itself of the old, government-sponsored growth

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based on investment and exports to one based on a consumer economy,

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consumer spending. The real worrying thing is it has not yet shown any

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sign of being able to wean itself off the large amount of borrowing

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that is still needed to grow this economy. In fact, as the economy

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grows by 6% to 7% year, debt is growing by double that amount. That

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is very troubling to some observers. In the opening address to the

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parliament, we heard the premier talk once again about tackling state

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owned enterprises, cutting overcapacity, and we have heard the

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finance ministry took that getting on top of local government

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borrowing. All of these thorny issues. They have spoken about all

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of these things before and they are proving very difficult promises to

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fulfil. Thank you indeed. That news out of China was so important for

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markets in Asia today. Also what was happening when the smart kits that

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is the markets was -- these markets work trading where the missile

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tests. We had the chief of the US Federal reserve, the central bank,

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talking late yesterday for that many were reading between the lines as to

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what it means regarding the Fed meeting next week. Most believe we

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are looking at a rate rise in the US next week is all that was going on

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in the Asian trading session. Let's have a look at Europe right now put

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as I speak, we are watching press conference in Paris. The boss of GM

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and PSA group, all talking to the press. The Peugeot shares are up and

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up. Deutsche Bank shares are down some 6% of the back of their news. A

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lot for investors to die just. We will talk more about these stories

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in a moment. And Michelle Fleury has

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the details about what's ahead There is expected to be an interest

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rate hike in March. Only the third since the height of the recession.

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The next meeting is in a week and a half. Between now and then, the big

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economic report is non-farm payrolls. It is unlikely to change

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the outlook on the economy unless it is really bad. Most expect the

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latest snapshot of the labour market to show employers added 186,000 jobs

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in February for the given the recent surge in business and consumer

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confidence, as well as a rise in inflation, the Fed is accepted to

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raise interest rates sooner rather than later. Wall Street is now

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wondering how many more rate increases to expect this year. As

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for the rest of the calendar, the economic calendar this week, Monday

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sees the release of data on factory orders while the earnings front is

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relatively quiet. Joining us is David Buik

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from Panmure Gordon. Thank you for coming in. Let's first

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of all talk about Deutsche Bank. It is going to try and raise billions

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through a new rights issue. Do you think these new shares will be

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attractive to investors, given the trouble is that Deutsche Bank has

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been facing? You would like to think the chief executive has shaken all

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the skeletons out of the cupboard. There are plenty of them. If you go

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back eight years to 2007, just prior to the financial crisis, Deutsche

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Bank shares worth 120 euros each will stop them down now to 17 and a

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half after the fall. That is enormous. Deutsche Bank has always

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been where it required Morgan Grenfell, after they shared the

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asset management business, they were the biggest traders or investment

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bank in the world in terms of derivatives. Not like Goldman Sachs.

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The trouble is they got too big and forgot what a bank is really four,

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which is to have money from deposits and to lend money. As things have

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unfolded since the financial crisis, they have had one catastrophic

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problem after another. As you alluded to, I cannot remember which

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one of you it was, 15 billion euros worth of fines, whether it is for

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foreign exchange, gold, cross frontier bond dealing, this is the

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problem. He has shaken the trees and is selling the asset management

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business. I think that is a mistake. He is going to do what he should do,

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which is take the emphasis away from investment banking and more to

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domestic. The same is happening with Barclays on a much smaller scale.

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Another story which has been out there over the weekend and confirmed

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today, standard life Aberdeen asset management teaming up. Quite a bit

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of money coming together. Your thoughts? It makes a lot of sense. I

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should think Nicola Sturgeon is smiling like a Cheshire cat. That is

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the head of the Scottish National party just in case people are not

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familiar. The chief executives, a top man and another who is at the

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forefront of the media. Putting the two of them together, and their

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basic emphasis on where they are strong makes a lot of sense. Both

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shows are at between 8% and 10% this morning for the Eid think the market

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likes the idea of the merger. A busy day. A lot of news going on. We will

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see you again in about five minutes. He will return. Still to come...

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We'll speak to the boss of a company bringing the likes of Hozier

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and Bastille straight to your living room.

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It is relieved to discourage people from using their smartphones and not

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giving the respect to bands are used to do. We will have that discussion

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in a moment. It's National Apprenticeship Week

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and a new report out today says 1.5 million degree level

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apprenticeships are needed to boost The Chartered Management Institute

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are calling them the "missing middle" and are calling employers

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to use higher level apprenticeships to improve gender diversity

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Petra Wilton is from the CMI. How should this be done? How do we

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encourage more women to achieve those positions? It is a wonderful

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coincidence that we have got coincidence that we have got

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national apprenticeship week and international women's day.

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Apprenticeships go up to the highest levels. There is Masters being

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developed and at degree level we see a chartered management degree ablend

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tisship which out of the 250 early starts half of those are women which

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is really encouraging progress. As you led, we need 1.5 million female

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managers at that middle by 2025 if we're going to get a better balanced

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workforce and have gender parity. What needs to be done? Companies

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need to invest better in promoting women through the ranks in their

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organisations. We see a classic pyramid. Women enter the workforce

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equal to men, so they're 50/50 so but thee peter out. And single

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digits when we look at the number of female Chief Executives at those top

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companies. But that's to do with the pregnant pause, isn't it? That's to

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do with women having children? That can have an impact, but for many

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women they are not taking much time out and apprenticeships which are

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all age means it can give women the confidence and the route back into

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the workforce. Why should women not have a career after having children

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and coming back in? Apprenticeships can be used used an all-age

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programme to upskill the women and give them the confidence to rejoin

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their organisations and take their careers forward. Petra, thank you

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very much. No doubt there will be more information about that National

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Apprenticeship Week. We're covering that deal, PSA to buy GM's Opal

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business. There is a lot of reaction on the Business Live site. Lots of

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speculation about what is going to be happening to jobs. Thousands of

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jobs at stake. We will be following that story. You're watching Business

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Our top story, General Motors will sell Opel

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and Vauxhall to PSA Group, the French company that owns

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The deal is worth $2.3 billion and will make PSA the continent's

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second biggest car-maker after Volkswagen and ahead

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Now let's get the inside track on a business which is hoping

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to return music back to its most stripped down form.

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In the age of streaming and social media, it's easy

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to become disillusioned with the commercial music industry.

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One company hoping to change this is Sofar Sounds.

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It provides small-scale gigs in secret locations such

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as converted warehouses and even people's living rooms.

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They're in over 300 cities around the world

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The company's co-founder Rafe Offer joins us in the studio now.

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Hello there. Thank you for coming in to talk about this. The whole

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concept of this was started because you got fed-up with the way people

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were disrespecting bands at concerts that you went to. Tell me what

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sparked the idea? The co-founder and I were in a bar in London and trying

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to listen to music, a band called the Friendly Fires. There was a

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moment when we realised that half the room were talking or texting and

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you could hear the beer bottles clanging in the background from the

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bar. We thought there must be a better way to enjoy music. We said,

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"Let's get out of here." Rocky Start is the name of your partner. That's

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ironic when you're trying to start a new business. Was it a rocky start?

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How did it begin? The two of you were there. You thought this is not

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great. We think it is disrespectful. How does it become a company? We

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connected with a third person at the beginning who is no longer involved,

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but helped us get started called Dave Alexander. Rocky and I can't

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play or sing, you wouldn't want to listen to us! But Dave is a good

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musician and we went to his front room and we asked people to just

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come and listen as you said, shut their phones off and just focus on

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the music. Eight people, you could hear, his grandfather clock in the

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background ticking and we had never been in an environment that was so

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quiet and that was the first one and it has grown since then. You tapped

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into a real need for music lovers to go somewhere that they really think

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they have no other distractions, but to listen to the music. How have you

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managed to grow it so fast because it is big now, what you're offering.

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Doesn't that scale present difficulties? Yes, it kept us up

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many sleepless nights. How could we scale and keep it small? We went

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from London to Paris and New York and Melbourne, Mumbai, but each

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place we had the same rules in place which was be quiet, keep it under

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100 people in some sort of intimate space or most often a living room

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and just ask people to respect the music and that was a way we grew.

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The second way was through social media and YouTube and ampifying it

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that way. You're in over 60 cities. In seven of those you have got paid

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staff. There are so many gigs you need staff. Richard Branson has

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invested in your company. How do you take this forward? In many of those

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cities it is voluntary people and people approach you to say, "I want

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to be the musician on offer in the front room." When Rocky and I

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started, it was just one event a month, hobby, easy to do, in cities

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like New York and Los Angeles and Oslo, we said could we do more than

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one a month? Could we do one a day? That was the divide. That was where

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we went from paying someone a full-time salary and getting enough

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money to support the artists and pay the people a full-time salary. All

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the other cities are that light touch with the hope if they're

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interested, in converting from being basically a volunteer hobby to a

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full-time job. We've run out of time which is a

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real shame. There is so much more to say. Well, you must come, both of

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you. Thank you very much. You're not going to be in my living room. I've

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got a dog and three boys under the age of 11. It would not go down

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well! In a moment we'll take a look

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whenever you need to know. We have been talking about the deal

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and wondering whether it will lead to a contraction in the number of

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brands on offer. Do you really care what badge is on the back of your

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car, David? I'm not really a petrolhead I have to be honest with

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you. If it has got four wheels and an engine and I can get into it

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without crippling myself, I'm happy. I think it will do. This is becoming

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a highly competitive business. You've got so much variances with

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foreign exchange, the euro value and the drop in the value of sterling

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and dollars and managing to equate this means the margins will be

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greater and therefore, volumes and making the public accept a smaller

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number of ranges seems very sensible. I think that might it is

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appoint a viewer, he says, "Of course, it does matter what badge is

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on your car. How else can one show off in front of their neighbours?"

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Oh dear. Some people it is all about brand! Let's look at the stories in

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the papers. In the UK here, Sir Philip Green making it into the

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weekend papers. No big surprise. It was a big week last week. This is

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for our international viewers, this is the retail tycoon who did own

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BHS, sold it for ?1, it then collapse add year after it was sold.

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There is a pension deficit issue and all sorts. It has been a very

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emotive story. In fairness to Sir Philip, this was never a legal

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issue, it was a moral issue and he stepped up to the plate with the

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?350 million towards the black hole in BHS which affected 19,000 people.

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We've got another thing. Arcadia, he owns companies like Topshop and

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Dorothy Perkins, there is supposedly a black hole in that of about

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?180,000 and there is a general speculation that rather than being

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asked he realises his responsibility and he will actually have 20 to did

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it. Sales were down over Christmas by 6.5% which I think nos not the

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order of the day at that period of time. A pensions deficit is

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across-the-board, isn't it? The deal between General Motors and PSA

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Group, PSA Group is not taking on the pensions deficit? It is across

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the spectrum. The problem that hasn't helped we have had zero

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interest rates for a long period of time which means bond yields are

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hopeless. We are living a lot longer, but there is an area of

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people sticking their head in the sands like ostriches, it isn't going

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away. Even somebody like BT, a well run company, ?5 billion black hole.

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Incredible. David Buik, thank you. Thank you for all your information

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as usual on the markets. We will see you again tomorrow. Bye-bye.

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