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This is Business Live from BBC News with Ben Thompson and Sally Bundock.

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Rising North Korea tensions following the nation's most powerful

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nuclear test to date and fears Pyongyang may be preparing

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Live from London, that's our top story on Monday, 4th September 2017.

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Donald Trump warns he could sever ties with the nation's trading

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partners in response to the missile threat.

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We will have all you need to know about that.

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Counting the cost of Hurricane Harvey.

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AS the deadly storm dents the US oil industry,

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we find out what it mean for the world's largest economy?

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And some nervousness on the markets after that North Korean bomb test,

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but investors are keeping a closer eye on the international response

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We'll be getting the inside track on the cost

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Yep, summer's officially over when children go back to school.

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We ask the boss of a major uniform maker is schoolwear

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So today we want to know - congested roads and selfish drivers.

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Does the school run make your blood boil?

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Just hours after Pyongyang said it tested a hydrogen bomb,

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President Trump tweeted that the US could impose trade embargos

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on all countries that do business with North Korea.

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That list includes India, Russia, Pakistan and perhaps

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The latest figures show that trade between the US and China is worth

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This makes China the United States'

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Many experts believe that Washington is leaning on Beijing

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Trade with China is crucial to the fortunes of Pyongyang,

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with over 80% of all North Korean exports

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being purchased by their neighbours across the border.

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Good toads you, Robin. This is a Trump tweet, isn't it? Talking about

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trade sanctions with any country that do business with North Korea?

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Yes, China wasn't named, but clearly this is aimed as China responsible

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for the vast majority of trade with North Korea. Trade that keeps that

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country going and that is part of the reason why China does it because

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the prospect of an implosion, an economic implosion in North Korea is

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something that China does not want to entertain. That could bring with

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it humanitarian crisis on its border perhaps, even the reunification of

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the whole of this peninsula and US troops up by the Chinese border.

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China doesn't want to entertain the prospect of an economic collapse and

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trade remains important. The idea of suddenly stopping trade with China

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and that long list as Ben mentioned of other countries that do trade

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with North Korea, it is almost laughable because the figures are

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staggering, aren't they? Remember as well there are countless US firms

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among them the biggest in the world Apple, who have a significant

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revenue exposure in China. They rely on trade between China and the US.

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So, they would be damaged as well. In terms of China, what reaction

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have we had from them if any to this? Well, interesting grid we're

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waiting to hear from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs who are due to have

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their usual press conference today. We have heard though some official

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reaction coming from the summit in the east where President Xi is

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hosting a handful of world leaders at the bricks summit and they in a

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statement communique at the end of that two-day meeting condemned as

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deplorable the actions of the north. I think behind the scenes the

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Chinese leadership are far more angry at the actions of Kim Jong-un,

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but China, you know has a different view from the United States on some

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aspects of this dispute. It does want to see a denuke scholarised

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peninsula, but it doesn't want to see the collapse of the north and

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the problems that may bring for it on its border. All right, Robin,

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thank you very much. Robin Brant. There has been reaction on markets.

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We will look at this in a few minutes.

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At least 47 people have died since Hurricane Harvey hit Texas

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Some residents have been allowed to return to their homes but flood

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waters are still rising in other areas.

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President Trump has asked Congress for $7.8 billion as an initial

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payment to help with recovery efforts following the flooding

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The White House says about 100,000 homes,

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not all of which were fully insured, had been affected by

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the storm and the flooding that accompanied it.

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Texas Governor, Greg Abbott, said the state could need as much

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as $180 billion from the federal government to help it recover.

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The storm at its height knocked up to 24% of US oil

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It's also believed the nation's largest refinery in Port Arthur may

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be shut for up to two weeks, sending petrol prices

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Michelle Fleury reports from Houston.

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I'm standing by the Upper Houston channel.

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I'm standing by the Upper Houston Channel.

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It is about 23 miles long and on each side it is lined

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This area around Houston is vitally important to the energy industry.

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Much of the refinery capacity was impacted

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when Hurricane Harvey made land fall.

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As they try to restore operations to get in and to get that refining

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capacity back up and running, one crucial part will be getting

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the waterways open again so that vessels can come in and out

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of here carrying crude oil and other vital supplies and it is not

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that come through here, consumer goods travel on vessels

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through here making their way to shelves of stores

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Given its strategic importance, American authorities have made

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it a priority to get this area reopened.

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We have been told some estimates that if this port,

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if this area is closed for a week, it could cost the economy as much

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as $2.5 billion which is why all efforts are being made to try

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and clear the debris as fast as possible.

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Ingrid Hobbs is an insurance specialist and litigation partner

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at the law firm Mayer Brown International.

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Michelle looking a the aftermath. It is very difficult, isn't it, to

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calculate at this point what this will cost and to whom and whether

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they are insured oar not? It is extremely difficult partly because

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the water has only stopped pouring down recently and it is difficult

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for loss adjusters to get in and to see the extent of the devastation.

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There are huge different losses involved as well. You mentioned

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earlier the oil industry and the impact on the production levels.

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I've read in different reports that there is something like a 25% impact

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on production per day. So that is going to have a significant impact

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on pricing, but on a personal level for those affected having been

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displaced losing their homes, maybe looking at long-term re-housing,

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rebuilding costs, how much of that will actually be insured, flood

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ex-clueses operating in the domestic insurance policies, ought owe motive

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industry affected, the amount of cars you can see floating through

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the water, those will be claims on personal ought owe motive policies

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and the ex-at any time of the cover available remains to be seen. The

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Total cost they are saying will be in the order of $100 billion, so

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even more than Hurricane Katrina. I wanted to ask you about how it

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compares because there are clearly direct costs and indirect costs and

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the indirect costs could go on for years of just trying to put things

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right. Where do we start in that job as a loss adjuster, where do you

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start to look? There are so many different elements to this? It

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splits down into different kinds of insurance. The State will be

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incredibly busy, the national insurance flood programme, will

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respond immediately, but there will be individual insurers involved on

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the ground in the United States and then reinsured through the Lloyds

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community here in London and they will be looking at each individual

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insurer instructing loss adjusters to go out on their behalf for their

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policyholder, damage assessments and then also looking at longer term

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economic losses. In this particular case, unlike Hurricane sandy and

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Katrina, many businesses and individuals are uninsured for

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various reasons, aren't they, that makes it much more complicated? We

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don't know the extent of non insurance, but there is difficulty

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in obtaining cover for properties that are in the flood plain and

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Texas and Houston in particular is well-known as a flooding risk. So we

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need to wait and see the extent of what is covered, but there will be

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loss of profits claims down the line. Damage claims, personal injury

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claims and we will have to see what the extent of each of those classes

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of insurance and loss looks like and whether or not exclusions in the

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policies bite, flood exclusions, act of god exclusions, we don't have any

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real handle on the extent of the damage now. Ingrid, thank you for

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sharing your expertise with us this morning. There is a lot more detail

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on our website about what is going on there in at moment and how it

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stands. Yes, something we will be covering for a good while to come

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yet. Let's take a look at some of

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the other stories making the news. Fast-food chain McDonald's

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is facing its first strike in the UK as workers at two sites walk-out

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in a dispute over zero-hours Workers at Cambridge and Crayford

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in south-east London The Bakers, Food and

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Allied Workers Union, said staff want a wage

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of at least ?10 an hour James Henderson, the chief executive

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of one of the UK's best known public relations firms,

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has stood down amid claims it stirred up racial

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tensions in South Africa. Bell Pottinger has faced criticism

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from the country's main opposition party after it ran a media campaign

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for the wealthy Gupta family. South Africa's Democratic Alliance

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Party said the PR firm emphasised The EU's Brexit negotiator,

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Michel Barnier, says he plans to "educate" the British people

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about the price it would pay The European Union suggested that

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little progress had been made The British Government has hit back,

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claiming that the EU was not I wonder how they plan to educate

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people? Maybe it will be a leaflet drop from a plane with facts!

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We will talk about that with our markets guest in a moment. Pirelli

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is planning a market listing. The tyre maker is planning to return to

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the stock market in Milan, Italy, it is the world's fifth biggest tyre

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maker. It delisted in 2015 after a mandatory offer launched by an

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investment vehicle. It is coming back to market. Some markets for you

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before we speak to Richard Hunt ir. He is head of research at Wilson

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King Investment Management. We would expect there could be a reaction to

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what happened with North Korea, but the markets are taking it in their

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stride? The difficulty is how to price it in? Are we talking about a

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skirmish or something more serious? Clearly, it is not something that

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investors can runaway and keeping a close eye as you would probably

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expect overnight in the Asian markets we have had interests in the

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likes of the yen seeing it is a defensive currency as well as gold

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and some sovereign bonds. Is it the geopolitical stuff or does it come

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down to sanctions and trade? I think from a kind of human point of view,

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the geopolitical part of the equation is much more concerning. I

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think from practical point of view and something investors will

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arguably be more interested in is what sort of sanctions may come in,

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but as we have been hearing earlier, the US, China, relationship is so

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large that it might be crimped at the edges, but they will be looking

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to keep that intact. Tell us about your comments on Michel Barnier's

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advice that perhaps the British are not really across the full

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consequences of leaving the European Union? There is this danger, as we

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knew since day one, that there is a possibility that Britain will be

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used as a scapegoat so as not to encourage other members of the EU

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even to think about some kind of exit which was obviously one of the

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concerns from the EU's prospective at the start this could be the thin

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end of the wedge. There are the complications begin, of course, with

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I don't think the UK is disputing the fact that there are certain

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contracts we have already entered into what we will see through. The

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questions, of course, in terms of some of the money that the EU made

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whilst the UK has been a member and some of the assets that the UK is

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entitled to, how that off sets this so-called divorce bill. Sclaerl, at

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this stage, we are making little progress. There is an irony about

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the education, given that during the referendum campaign that education

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was one thing that people talked about, maybe people were told lies

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and it comes down to information. On the top of that we don't know what

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could happen. It is so confusing? Michel Barnier is trying to speak

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with 27 tongues, isn't he? Representing the entirety of the EU.

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At any given time you have to question how much is the EU bloc and

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how much is personal? Thank you, Richard. Nice to see you. Shedding

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come light on that. We'll talk more about it, I'm sure.

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Back to school for children across the northern hemispheres, we will

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find out why uniforms are becoming more expense of full. -- more

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expensive. Before we grapple with ties, blazers, polo shirt, let's

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talk about Europe's biggest tech show. Samsung, Apple, they have

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given it a wide berth, the exhibition in Burlington

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forthcoming. The IFA exhibition. Now, smaller competitors are using

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the event to make a case for their innovations. Joe Miller is there.

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This is LG's new V30. No modular design, no side screen, the focus is

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on taking pictures and shooting video. Two new cameras on the back,

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a deep and beautiful screen, and a lovely zoom feature, you can pick a

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particular object or person in the distance and then the camera will

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very smoothly zoom in towards it. Question for this phone, as with

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previous LG models, some of which had cutting edge features but have

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not sold well, can it make inroads into a crowded and competitive

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smartphone market? I think LG has aways been about choice, it may not

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be number one in phones, it may not be the thinnest, the cheapest, the

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brightest, there is a lot of things that we are not but one thing we

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have always been is giving people an alternative choice. Two ways you can

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compete with Samsung and Apple, one is with cutting edge features and

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the other, such as with this 400 dollar Moto X4 is to compete

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aggressively on price. It targets the disk ruminating consumer,

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someone who wants a high-quality smartphone experience but is not

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looking for the flagship prices. We design a phone to provide all the

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benefits but price it very well accordingly. In just a couple of

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weeks, a new iPhone is likely to dominate the headlines,

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manufacturers like those here in Berlin will hope that they too are

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still able to make a splash. fresh food could be left rotting if

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strict customs control for EU goods are put in place of the Brexit.

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If your commute into the office has got a bit busier, probably because

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the summer break is officially over for many schoolchildren, roads are

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busy, schoolchildren across the northern hemisphere are back at

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school. Which means many parents are

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counting the cost of buying everything they need for the new

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school year. One of the most expensive things they'll fork out

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for is a new school uniform. So why are uniforms becoming more

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expensive? Our next guest will know. He's the boss of Trutex, the UK's

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number one brand in school uniforms and sportswear. The company was

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founded over 150 years ago under a different name, and has been

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operating under the Trutex name since the 1920s. In 2010 when it was

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teetering on the brink of administration, Trutex was bought

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out by a private equity firm, and then underwent a management buyout.

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Success ensued, and now Trutex has expanded into China, where it has

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ten factories and manufactures over 1.5 million garments a year. Prince

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George will soon be wearing a Trutex uniform - the company supplies to St

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Thomas's prep school in Battersea, where the young Prince will begin

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his education. So, good news for you royal

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watchers. Matthew Easter is with us,

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he's managing director at Trutex. Good morning. Good morning. Thank

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you so much for coming in. I have three boys, I know the cost, you get

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through the uniform like you would not believe, and also, lose it, week

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one, they come home without the school jumper, nowhere to be seen,

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but the name is in it, that is key. Give us a sense of the size and

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scale of your business. It has ballooned since you moved into

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China. ?30 million business, we manufacture 4 million garments a

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year, exporting to 15 countries across the world. Not everywhere has

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the uniform, so we focus on China in particular. When you had to start

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working there, you have to get used to the culture, their uniform is...

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Explain. Traditionally, the uniform is very much in line with the

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communist state, a pretty horrible set of shell suits, sorry for

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anybody who wants to wear those, but these days it is far more akin to a

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European or British style education uniform. The schools are becoming

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more branded and more focused on brand. Talking about the history of

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the firm, touching on it briefly there, chequered past, the

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management buyout, private equity, you were instrumental in that

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process and talk us through it. 2010, the business had obviously

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been through a period of decline, over a number of years, and that

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forced a chain, in 2010. -- change. I came in at that point and along

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with the team, we were lucky, a number of people were in the

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business who had experience in the business, we had to bring in new

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focus. What were they getting wrong, it strikes me, parents have to buy a

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uniform, how could you get that wrong? In principle you cannot, the

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product, the brand, it was very well recognised, like every other

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business, you have to do everything right, manage your customers, your

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finances, very seasonal business, cash management, and managing stock

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is hugely important. And requires a lot of focus. Something we have said

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since you have come in, uniform is getting more expensive, is it

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getting more expensive? How do you... How do you sell that in the

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sense that parents are forced to buy it, we have to buy the gear for our

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kids and it is a huge expense, and for families who cannot afford it,

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it is a real issue. It is not getting more expensive, overall, the

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cost of uniforms is cheaper than it was 20 years ago. Clearly, the

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devaluation of the pound has had an impact on lots of things, post

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Brexit, and clothing is one of those. Why would argue what we make

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is good value, there is an upfront cost but it is something you want

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the kids to wear all year, passed down as well. There is pressure on

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schools to make it more affordable and have less branded uniform and

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more stuff you can get from your high street retailer. We try to work

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with the schools and have a sensible blend of branded and unbranded

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uniform so it is not too expensive. Schools... That is not good news for

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the business model. There is plenty of schools we can go and get to, and

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on that model, we will get more business over time, by doing it

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right. Very good to see you, thank you for joining us. Matthew Easter,

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managing director of Trutex. In a moment we will be spinning

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through the business pages, but first, a quick reminder of how to

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get in touch with us: we will keep you up-to-date with all

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the latest details with insight and analysis from the BBC's team of

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editors right around the world. And we want to hear from you, too, get

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involved on the business live web page. You can find us on Facebook as

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well. The Brix Conference, Brazil, Russia,

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India and China, it is something we were mentioning all of the time in

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its heyday, when they were all thriving, these economies. -- the

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Brics. 2001, Goldman Sachs, coined this term for the emerging

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economies, took on a political life because these countries, as well as

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being emerging markets, were men to take on some of the world economic

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leadership away from the US and Europe, they have this annual

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conference but it has not worked out like that, powers have diverged.

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China, the driving economy and all of this, is much cleaner now on the

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economies closer to its home, so it really is forgetting this notion of

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the Brics and going to a much more to graphically centric. Cynics said,

:24:46.:24:50.

you cannot lump these economies together thanks on -- based on vague

:24:51.:24:56.

similarities, looking at someone of the size, power and scale of China.

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It suited them at the time, they wanted to be this alternative power

:25:04.:25:06.

source in the world economy, there are such disparities now, and you

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cannot horse these things together, apart from India and China, Brazil,

:25:11.:25:14.

Russia and South Africa, their economies are not doing well, and so

:25:15.:25:19.

there is also a divergence from the past. Wall Street Journal, Nissan

:25:20.:25:23.

hopes drivers will turn to its new electric car... The Chief Executive

:25:24.:25:31.

of Nissan has pushed this he thought there would be selling 1.5 million

:25:32.:25:35.

electricals at least by now, and they are selling about one third of

:25:36.:25:40.

that, so big hope for the new one, riding on the coat-tails, doing even

:25:41.:25:42.

better than Tesla. They are jealous of Tesla's success. It is a market

:25:43.:25:47.

car, it should do quite well. We will keep an eye on it, we will

:25:48.:25:50.

watch this space. Thank you for your company today. We

:25:51.:25:56.

will both be here tomorrow. We will see you, goodbye.

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