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The Prime Minister's authority is put to the test as he faces his

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biggest Commons rebellion yet. Dozens of Conservative MPs are

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expected to defy him tonight in a vote over a referendum on

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membership of the European Union. It is not the right time at this

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moment of economic crisis to launch legislation that includes an in or

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out referendum. When your neighbour's house is on fire, your

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first impulse should be to help them to put out the flames. Like

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his predecessors, he is caught between the party interest and the

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national interest. It is an out-of- touch Tory party tearing itself

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apart with Europe. This is the theme live in the House of Commons,

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where voting is now under way. We will bring you the results as soon

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as we get it. Also tonight: Trapped beneath tons

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of rubble. The desperate efforts to rescue survivors of Sunday's

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earthquake in Turkey, which killed at least 279 people.

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Claims of a massacre in Libya after the bodies of more than 50 Gaddafi

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loyalists are found outside a hotel in Sirte. With the Earth's

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population about to reach seven billion, the United Nations warns

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of the threat to poorer countries. And the Queen's close encounter

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with koala bears, as she meets victims of Brisbane's floods in

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And straight after the 10 o'clock news, we will have continuing

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coverage from Westminster of tonight's referendum vote and its

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Good evening. David Cameron's authority is being put to the test

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tonight as he faces his biggest Commons rebellion since entering

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Downing Street. MPs have just started voting on a motion calling

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for a referendum on Britain's membership of the European Union.

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This afternoon, the Prime Minister made a personal plea to

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Conservative backbenchers asking them not to support the motion. The

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government will not lose the vote but it is thought dozens of

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Conservative MPs will rebel. Let's go straight to Westminster.

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David Cameron is bracing himself tonight, not just for the biggest

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rebellion he had faced as prime minister but almost certain the

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biggest on Europe faced by any Conservative Prime Minister ever.

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The worst was 41 votes against the government line when John Major

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fought to keep his government in office over the issue of the

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Maastricht Treaty in the early 1990s. There will be no instant

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referendum tonight but David Cameron Dan Snow, depending on the

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site of the revolt, he could be facing a battle over Europe for

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many years to come. Europe is like a ticking bomb under the

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Conservative Party. That is what David Cameron was warned by William

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Hague when he became Tory leader. Tonight, the crisis in the eurozone

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and a rebellion in the Commons means it is ticking louder than

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ever. I am not prepared to go back on my word to my constituents. If

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Britain's future as an independent country is not a proper matter for

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a referendum, then I have no idea what is. That was the man who,

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until he resigned tonight, with the Europe Minister's parliamentary

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aide. Just one of those Conservatives ready to defy their

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leader. Rule Britannia! Outside Parliament today, some dreamt of

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Britain ruling herself again, free from European influence. Inside,

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demands grew that the people be given a vote on whether to stay in,

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get out or renegotiate Britain's relationship with the EU. The Prime

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Minister insisted that that would be the wrong referendum at the

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wrong time. When your neighbour's house is on fire, your first

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impulse should be to help them to put out the flames, not least to

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stop the flames reaching your own house. This is not the time... This

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is not the time to argue about walking away. Warned that doesn't

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on his own side did not share that view, the Prime Minister told his

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backbenchers that he shared their yearning for fundamental change.

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Like you, I want to see fundamental reform. Like you, I want to

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refashion our membership of the EU so it better serve the nation's

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interest. The time for reform is coming. How, when and what that

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reform would be, he did not say. With his Lib Dem deputy beside him,

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perhaps he couldn't. The Labour leader was scathing. He is caught

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between the party interest and the national interest. We see the re-

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run of the old movie, and out-of- touch Tory party tearing itself

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apart over Europe and all the time, the British people are left to

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worry about their jobs and livelihoods. All three main party

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leaders have ordered their MPs to vote no to a referendum on Europe

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tonight but it is David Cameron who has failed to convince even his

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newest MPs, including the backbencher who ensured that

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today's vote took place at all. Voters know that the tentacles of

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the European Union intrude into more and more areas of our national

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life. Understandably they are saddened and disillusioned at being

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fobbed off, as they see it, by the political elite who always seem to

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find a reason to stop them having their say. In the last week, I have

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had dozens and dozens of letters and telephone calls and e-mails

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from constituents urging me to support this motion and the only

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communication urging me to vote against it was a phone call from

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the whip's office. That the Tory party is split on Europe is in no

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doubt. The only question that remains to be answered is by how

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much. And the answer to how many

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Conservatives have rebuilt against their party leadership we will know

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it in 10 minutes' time -- have rebelled. You can see Members of

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Parliament the be queuing at the end to go through the voting lobby,

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to physically vote yes or no to a referendum, or returning to their

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seats to hear the results. They know the outcome will be defeat for

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a referendum but they know something else, too. Today and

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tonight has changed the debate about Europe and the next question

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facing the Prime Minister is, what exactly did you mean by fundamental

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reform of the EU and when will we get it?

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Thank you, for now. Rescue teams in Turkey are still

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managing to pull more people alive from the rubble after the strong

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earthquake that hit the east of the country on Sunday. At least 279

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people are now known to have died, but it's feared the death toll will

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rise considerably. More than 1,000 people have been injured in the

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quake, which measured 7.2 and struck close to the border with

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Iran. The city of Ercis was the worst-hit, with almost 1,000

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buildings destroyed. From there, Daniel Sandford sent this report.

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Hammering, cutting, pulling frantically at the remains of

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reinforced concrete apartment blocks. The ordinary people of

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Ercis were desperately helping the official rescue teams to look for

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the hundreds who are missing. At the centre of this rescue effort is

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the 29-year-old, pinned between a car and the wall. He has been there

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for over 24 hours. Amongst all of those trying to get him out of all

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of his brothers. They had formed a human chain, passing saucepans full

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of rubble away from my injured brother, slowly making space for

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him to be brought out. With exhaustion setting in, his mother

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waited patiently near by. We have all been here since yesterday, she

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told us, we slept in the car overnight. No food has passed any

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of his brother slips. This six- year-old girl is also somewhere

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under the rubble. Her uncle told me she had been out playing at the

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time of the earthquake and no one has heard from her since.

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TRANSLATION: The saddest part, my sister's husband is dead in more

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rubble. We were there burying him and then we got back here, hoping

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that it could well come out. Hopefully... No matter how

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seriously injured, but alive. Overnight in the regional capital

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Van, a small boy had been found alive. His rescuers pleading with

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him to be patient while they worked to get him out. And in Ercis, this

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toddler were successfully pulled out alive by emergency workers.

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CCTV footage has emerged, which shows the moment the powerful

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earthquake struck. The shaking stops this couple in their tracks.

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And late tonight, the man whose brothers have never given up was

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lifted out from the rubble. The 29- year-old, cold, dusty and with

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broken bones, was carried off on concrete that could have been his

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tomb and down past his mother, before being loaded into an

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ambulance. He had survived. The United States has pulled its

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ambassador out of Syria, accusing the authorities there of inciting a

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campaign of attacks against him. Robert Ford has been openly

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critical of the Syrian government's violent response to the uprising

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against President Assad. In response, Syria recalled its

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ambassador to the US. James Murdoch is to give evidence

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for a second time to a parliamentary investigation into

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phone hacking at the News of the World. Rupert Murdoch's son, the

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executive chairman of News International, will appear before

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the Commons Culture, Media and Sport Committee on November 10th.

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In Libya, there are reports that more than 50 pro-Gaddafi fighters

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have been massacred in Sirte, the city where Gaddafi was found last

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week. Their bodies were discovered a day after the country's new

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leaders declared national liberation. Many people who were

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forced from their homes during the fighting in the city are now

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returning in the hope that they can rebuild their lives. Wyre Davies

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reports from Sirte. Some of the images in his report you might find

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distressing. There was heavy fighting, loss of

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life and wanton destruction throughout this Libyan conflict,

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but nothing on the scale of what has happened in Sirte. Some say

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Gaddafi's home town is where transitional government forces took

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their revenge, collective punishment for Gaddafi's crimes. A

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vivid and grotesque example of that in Sirte today. The bodies of 53

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Gaddafi supporters, discovered shot with their hands tied. The man and

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aftermath of the dictator's death continues to fascinate, but the

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interim authorities have finally stopped the increasingly macabre

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public view of his body at the refrigerated in Misrata. It was to

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this modest mansion that Gaddafi fled after the fall of Tripoli.

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Plenty of food for long-stay, even an exercise bike. But when the

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fighting began to intensify, he had to move from home to home, Senator

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seller. Caught in the middle of the assault on Sirte, civilians,

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including this family. We went with them to the home they had to

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abandon two weeks ago. No chance of moving back in. CRYING. Their four-

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year-old granddaughter is also missing, not seen in a panic and

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confusion for days. They hope she is alive somewhere with her father.

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TRANSLATION: I don't know how to feel. I have been building and

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living in this house for 30 years. We have no where to go.

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certainly feels too early here for talk of reconciliation. This town

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on which Colonel Gaddafi spend billions will not enjoy such

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privilege and favouritism in the new Libya. Indeed some people say

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that Sirte should not be rebuilt at all. It should remain to a memorial

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-- it should remain a memorial for Gaddafi's victims, to eventually be

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subsumed by the fans of the desert. Coming up on tonight's programme:

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As Hollywood tackles Tin Tin, we look at why the character's first

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book, To the Land of the Soviets, This time next week it is thought

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that the world's population will have reached 7 billion. The number

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of people on the planet has expanded rapidly in the past decade,

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the United Nations is warning that the rate of growth is threatening

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poorer countries, especially in Sub-Saharan Africa. Our

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correspondent has been to Zambia, where the population is expected to

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trim by the middle of the century. Welcome to the world. Like each and

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every one of us, these new-borns help to make up the 7 billion

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people in on planet. Katherine Piri has given birth for the fourth time

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to a daughter. Hours old, she does not have a name yet. Despite living

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in poverty, the parents want more children and they are ambitious for

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their future. TRANSLATION: I want my daughter and

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my sons to become important people. Then they can help us.

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But I don't know if there will be enough money for them to go through

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school. Big families are the norm. Six

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children is the average and it is causing a huge increase in numbers.

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Zambia's population is project ected to triple by 2050 and --

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project ected to triple by 2050 and keep rising. That is despite an

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array of modern contraceptive methods, including injections,

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implants, the pill and condoms, all available without charge.

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The family planning methods are free, but the health facilities,

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people have to travel to, to obtain the services, they are not enough.

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So they rather use the money for traveling to buy food to feed the

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family. This is a youthful country. Half of

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the population is aged 16 or under. More and more families are leaving

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the countryside to live in the capital, Lusaka in search of work.

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Population growth can be good for the economy, with the young

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workforce and relatively few elderly, but the increase here is

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so rapid, the fear is it could perpetuate poverty. Zambia is

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barely able to feed 13 million now, how will it cope with 100 million

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more by the end of the century? And how do you encourage the young to

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have fewer children than their parents? Aid agencies say it starts

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with more rights for women. If you are married to a man and he

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decides to have ten children, you have no say, even when you know

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that the children will not be looked after properly. We need to

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empower the women so that they can make decisions about their lives.

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What can the new government do for you, girls and you... That begins

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in the classroom where attitudes are changing. These taingers want

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the careers first and motherhood second.

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-- teenagers. I want to have two kids, one boy

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and one girl. I want to have two kids to reduce the population.

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As nations become richer, population growth stabilises as

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couples choose to have fewer children. Zambia has lots of

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economic potential. It is three times the size of Britain, but

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there is a long way to go before poverty is replaced by pros pairt.

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-- prosperity. You can see more stories from

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people affected by the world's growing population on the BBC News

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website. On Thursday Ireland goes to the

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polls in the country's presidential elections. There are seven

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candidates, including McGuinness, whose IRA pass has been a feature

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of the contest. The country's economic future has taken centre

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stage. Our Ireland correspondent has been following the final steps

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of the campaign. Ireland's recovery seems to be on

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track. After three years of political and financial turmoil.

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Here in County Tipperary and elsewhere money is at least

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changing hands. When it comes to betting it is not just on the

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horses, but the presidential race. In total, there are seven runners.

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Including a former government minister, mike D Higgins. A former

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Euro song contest winner, Dana and a former IRA commander. At the

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start of the campaign McGuinness was confronted by the son of an IRA

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victim. I believe that you know the names

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of the killers of my father. No, I don't.

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Then, a television studio confrontation.

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How do you square, McGuinness, with your God, the fact that you were

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involved in the murder of so many people. That is a disgraceful

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comment to make. In the latest poll he came third, but he still thinks

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he can win. I think that the Irish people are

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fair. They understand the history, but I do think that there are

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critics who know nothing, absolutely nothing about the art of

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peace making. All seven of the candidates are

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involved in a last-minute round of TV and radio debates. The job of

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Irish President is largely ceremonial. Whatever the focus on

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the past of some of the candidates, the Irish people are being asked to

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decide on Thursday who they want to represent them in the future.

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And this is the favourite, businessman Sean gagging a her, one

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of the Dragons from the Irish TV version of Dragons' Den. He said he

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is ready to swap the small screen for the big job.

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We're a great country in Ireland. We hold you are heads up high with

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the sense of renewed vigour. That is the face and the voice that I'm

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carrying as a message from Ireland around the world.

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As they know, the favourite does not always win, but at this stage

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it looks like Ireland's next President will be a former TV star,

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rather than a past paramilitary. Now, let's get back to Westminster

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where MPs have just voted on whether to have a referendum on

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membership of the EU. Our Political Editor Nick Robinson is there. How

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big was the rebellion, then? What we know at this stage, Sophie is

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how many people, MPs of all parties voted for a referendum. That is 111.

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If you assume that 20 Labour MPs went against their party line, some

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unionists, that looks to be about 80 Conservative rebels. We cannot

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confirm that for certain, but about 80. That is a huge rebellion on the

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issue of Europe. The previous highest figure ever, suffered bir

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John Major when he was the Prime Minister in 1993 was 41. Of course

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it was more serious in those days, had he been defeated, the

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Government would have fall on the issue of the Maastricht rebellion.

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This rebellion douse not have an immediate consequence, but when a

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Prime Minister cannot persuade as many as 80 of his own party, not to

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include the many that chose to abstain, instead of to vote with

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the Government line, he has a real problem tonight. Now, the Prime

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Minister has, in effect, promised his MPs that he shares their views,

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but just did not want to vote with them today. Quickly, he will come

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under pressure to spell out what change to the EU he wants, when he

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will get it, how he will get it and how on earth he would get that

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agreed with his Liberal Democrats pat ners in coalition? What tonight

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means is that the debate about Europe, far from being over, has

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really only just begun. Nick Robinson, thank you very much.

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7 In Australia tens of thousands of people have greeted the Queen as

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she visited Brisbane, the city hit by floods earlier in the year. She

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met some people forced to leave their homes when the Brisbane River

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burst its banks in January, leaving 30,000 homes under water. It was a

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gesture of solidarity, with the city's whose river had risen

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against it. The Queen was taken along the Brisbane River. It was

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benign and welcoming, with tens of thousands lining its banks. Last

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January, the business bane River had become a swollen torrent,

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swamping large sections of the city. It was described as Brisbane's

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darkest hour. Today, the Queen saw a city restored after the floods

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which had been the worst for a generation.

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We are right in the heart of the city. Just to give an idea of thou

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was during the floods, the waters then were above the level where the

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spectators now are standing. Hard to imagine on a day such as

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this, how it was in January, but there were many here to share their

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stories. The Queen heard from some of those who had lost their homed.

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In a speech she praised the city's resilience.

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I have seen the fortitude, and the determination of the people of

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Brisbane. But it was not the words that meant

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the most, it was the fact that she had wanted to come.

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It mean as lot to me. It really does.

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For a person who has taken the time to come and see people who really,

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really suffered. It is wonderful of her to bother to do that. She made

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a specific request that she came to Queensland. What she brings is an

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unmatched presence. Supported as ever by a husband, cutting through

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the security so that the children could present their flowers. The

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Queen and Australia, as attached as ever, if seems.

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-- it seems. Now, it was the book that launched

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the career of one of the most famous reporters of the century. A

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boy renowned for he jumpers and ever faithful dog.

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But, Tintin and his first assignment, The Land of the Soviets,

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it was a mystery. We asked why its creator Herge, kept it unpublished

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for so long. The adventures of the plucky boy reporter had become a

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world wide known phenomenom. But the first ever Tintin book

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stayed hidden from the English readers fore60 years. The artist

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thought that this seminal work, crudely drawn, simplistic, even.

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Yet this unflattering depiction of early Soviet Russia was one of the

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few glimpses that the Europeans had of the life there after the

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revolution. So was it accurate? This summer I crossed to Moscow to

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find out. Here is a Russian historian and the

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daughter of a KGB colonel. The details of Tintin's adventures

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in Russia are fantastic, but the spirit of the country, ruthlessly

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oppressing its citizens, who cannot even be called citizens, who are

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more like slaves, the spirit is true.

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Russia has largely come to terms with that dark past. This is a

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monument outside of the headquarters of the FSB, the

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Russian intelligence. I think that Herge and his editor would have

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approved of the sign it refers to the 1920s Russia as the years of

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terror in which it says that over 40,000 people were shot on

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groundless political charges. It is that kind of brutality that Herge

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was describes in Tintin in the Land of the Soviets.

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The farmers suffered more than most at the hands of the bell shevics. I

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went to meet a modern day farmer whose grandfather was executed.

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Do you feel this is a broad lay accurate of the Bolsheviks in the

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1920s? This is the evidence of one man. It can't be accurate in all

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things. In all little things, but the majority of it, I think, it is

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true. It was a statement I was to hear

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again and again. Life under the early Bolsheviks was grim. Herge's

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depiction of it, which he was later ashamed of, turns out to be

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surprisingly accurate for someone who never went there. Although

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Tintin's Soviet adventure ends there, it went on to spawn a cast

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of well-loved characters that would entertain millions for years to

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