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time for the news where you are. Goodbye. | :00:00. | :00:12. | |
Hello and good afternoon from Westminster. | :00:13. | :00:18. | |
Britain has voted to end its membership of the European Union. | :00:19. | :00:26. | |
52% chose to leave the EU, with 48% voting to stay. | :00:27. | :00:40. | |
David Cameron has met the Queen at Buckingham Palace | :00:41. | :00:42. | |
after announcing his intention to resign. | :00:43. | :00:43. | |
He said he'd stay in Number Ten for the next few months | :00:44. | :00:46. | |
but that the country required fresh leadership. | :00:47. | :00:48. | |
Boris Johnson, who campaigned for the Leave vote, | :00:49. | :00:50. | |
stressed that the UK was no less united or less European; but now it | :00:51. | :00:53. | |
had what he said was a "glorious opportunity" to pass its own laws, | :00:54. | :00:56. | |
and find its voice in the world again. | :00:57. | :01:02. | |
Financial markets around the world have been rocked | :01:03. | :01:04. | |
In London, the FTSE fell by more than eight per cent when it opened, | :01:05. | :01:11. | |
the pound hit a 30-year low overnight and Thomas Cook has | :01:12. | :01:13. | |
suspended online currency sales after what it described | :01:14. | :01:17. | |
We will be talking about this all afternoon here on BBC News. Let's | :01:18. | :01:30. | |
take a look first at the final result, which shows the Leave | :01:31. | :01:35. | |
campaign secured its victory by a margin of more than 1 million votes | :01:36. | :01:37. | |
will In total, 17.4 million people voted | :01:38. | :01:46. | |
for the UK to leave the EU. That compares with the 16.1 million | :01:47. | :01:49. | |
voters who backed remain. More than 72% of eligible | :01:50. | :01:51. | |
voters took part. In England more than | :01:52. | :01:53. | |
15 million people voted for the UK to leave | :01:54. | :01:57. | |
the European Union, In Scotland every voting area came | :01:58. | :02:00. | |
out in favour of remain, In Wales, leave won over 52 per cent | :02:01. | :02:16. | |
of the vote and secured the most votes in all but five | :02:17. | :02:30. | |
of the twenty-two counting areas. In Northern Ireland, | :02:31. | :02:33. | |
which shares a land border of voters choosing to remain | :02:34. | :02:35. | |
in the EU Speaking outside number ten this | :02:36. | :02:52. | |
morning, the Prime Minister said it was clear he could no longer lead | :02:53. | :02:55. | |
the United Kingdom: I think the country requires fresh | :02:56. | :03:00. | |
leadership to take it in this direction, I will do everything I | :03:01. | :03:04. | |
can as Prime Minister to steady the ship over the next weeks and months | :03:05. | :03:08. | |
but I do not think it would be right for me to try to be the captain | :03:09. | :03:11. | |
which steers the country to the next destination. This is not a decision | :03:12. | :03:16. | |
I have taken lightly but I believe it is in the national interest to | :03:17. | :03:20. | |
have a period of stability and then the new leadership required. There | :03:21. | :03:25. | |
is no need for a precise timetable today, but in my view we should aim | :03:26. | :03:29. | |
to have a new Prime Minister in place by the start of the | :03:30. | :03:32. | |
Conservative Party conference in October. David Cameron outside | :03:33. | :03:35. | |
number ten earlier this morning. One of the politicians who led | :03:36. | :03:40. | |
the campaign to leave, the former Mayor of London Boris | :03:41. | :03:44. | |
Johnson has paid tribute to the Prime Minister as "one | :03:45. | :03:47. | |
of the most extraordinary After securing his momentus win | :03:48. | :03:49. | |
Mr Johnson and other leading figures of the Leave campaign have been | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
seeking to reassure voters. Mr Johnson said people had spoken up | :03:54. | :03:55. | |
for democracy, and Britain was not I believe we now have a glorious | :03:56. | :04:09. | |
opportunity, we can pass our laws and set back taxes entirely | :04:10. | :04:13. | |
according to the needs of the UK economy. We can control our own | :04:14. | :04:19. | |
borders in a way that is not discriminatory but fair and | :04:20. | :04:24. | |
balanced. And we can take the wind out of the sails of the extremists | :04:25. | :04:29. | |
and those who would play politics with immigration. | :04:30. | :04:38. | |
As we've been hearing, the voting patterns have highlighted | :04:39. | :04:40. | |
More than 62% of people in Scotland voted | :04:41. | :04:45. | |
raising the prospect of Scotland being taken out | :04:46. | :04:49. | |
The First Minister of Scotland Nicola Sturgeon said | :04:50. | :04:53. | |
it was a statement of the obvious that the option of a Second | :04:54. | :04:56. | |
When the article 50 process is triggered in three months' time, the | :04:57. | :05:05. | |
UK will be on a two-year path to the exit door. If Parliament judges that | :05:06. | :05:10. | |
a second referendum is the best or only way to protect its place in | :05:11. | :05:16. | |
Europe, it must have the option to hold one within that timescale. That | :05:17. | :05:20. | |
means we must act now to protect that position. I can therefore | :05:21. | :05:25. | |
confirmed today that in order to protect that position, we will begin | :05:26. | :05:30. | |
to prepare the legislation that would be required to enable a new | :05:31. | :05:34. | |
independence referendum to take place, if and when Parliament so | :05:35. | :05:39. | |
decides. Nicola Sturgeon, talking a little bit earlier. | :05:40. | :05:49. | |
Let's discuss an historic day. Peter, I have got to start with you, | :05:50. | :05:56. | |
so many months ago we were discussing your bright tight, you | :05:57. | :05:59. | |
wear it with some delight this morning. -- bright tie. It may be | :06:00. | :06:07. | |
its last outing, we are absolutely delighted, what the people decided, | :06:08. | :06:10. | |
I always thought they would vote to come out and we have, sounds like a | :06:11. | :06:14. | |
lot of celebrations in the background. It is a divided result, | :06:15. | :06:19. | |
what does this say about the state of the UK that Scotland, Northern | :06:20. | :06:23. | |
Ireland and London did not want this result? You could say that about | :06:24. | :06:28. | |
anywhere in any election, I could say England, Wales, and Northern | :06:29. | :06:35. | |
Ireland that vote was very close, but this is a United Kingdom | :06:36. | :06:38. | |
referendum, not a referendum in any one country. Whatever the result, | :06:39. | :06:43. | |
all politicians had agreed to accept it. It will be a bit rich for people | :06:44. | :06:50. | |
afterwards to say, my area does not apply. It was a United Kingdom | :06:51. | :06:53. | |
referendum, if it had gone the other way I would have accepted it, and so | :06:54. | :06:57. | |
would every politician in the country. I agree, London MP, in my | :06:58. | :07:03. | |
constituency voted to remain, that was my position, but the referendum | :07:04. | :07:08. | |
is critical, I have long felt we should have a referendum, I was one | :07:09. | :07:13. | |
of the 81 so-called rebels five years ago, I said that we needed to | :07:14. | :07:19. | |
get this resolved once and for all. The people have now spoken. The idea | :07:20. | :07:22. | |
that we can unravel that, nothing could be further than the truth -- | :07:23. | :07:28. | |
further from the truth. Boris Johnson has made a recognition that | :07:29. | :07:32. | |
there is unfinished business. With European neighbours. We want to have | :07:33. | :07:37. | |
a good relationship of respect and trade, in relation to cooperation | :07:38. | :07:42. | |
and migration. What you have touched upon, it is a divided Kingdom, it | :07:43. | :07:47. | |
was a close run thing, a decisive result came into play. I am | :07:48. | :07:52. | |
concerned about what happens in Scotland, and very concerned about | :07:53. | :07:57. | |
Ireland, in many ways, as we know, when there is discord and division | :07:58. | :08:00. | |
in Ireland, it can lead to violence, if we are to make good the claim | :08:01. | :08:05. | |
that we are going to take control of our borders, that means closing the | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
border between the north and the South, that will have implications. | :08:10. | :08:15. | |
Do you think that will happen? We have made several trips to Northern | :08:16. | :08:19. | |
Ireland, we will carry on with that result. There will be a close | :08:20. | :08:27. | |
relationship. What will always happen is the cooperation between | :08:28. | :08:30. | |
the two countries, if there are people breaking the law and coming | :08:31. | :08:35. | |
in that will be dealt with by intelligent and cross-border | :08:36. | :08:37. | |
co-operation. How do we know there will not be a closed border? This | :08:38. | :08:44. | |
has to be discussed. No one is suggesting there will be a closed | :08:45. | :08:48. | |
border, I did not find anyone in Northern Ireland who wanted that. I | :08:49. | :08:52. | |
know that people do not want it but if you are going to make true this | :08:53. | :08:57. | |
idea of taking back migration, it becomes a weakness for the whole of | :08:58. | :09:01. | |
the UK if you can walk across from an EU state into a non-EU states. It | :09:02. | :09:06. | |
will be illegal for people to come from the EU across, and though it is | :09:07. | :09:11. | |
legal to do it at the moment there is not massive migration through | :09:12. | :09:16. | |
that route. That is a red herring. It is a weak link. What about | :09:17. | :09:20. | |
Scotland, you heard it from Nicola Sturgeon, as a nation we could be | :09:21. | :09:23. | |
going into a second Scottish referendum. There is two things, we | :09:24. | :09:29. | |
campaigned in Scotland and there was a substantial leave vote, you not | :09:30. | :09:32. | |
think that everybody in Scotland voted to come out, that is | :09:33. | :09:37. | |
completely untrue. The thing about the referendum, if you ask Nicola | :09:38. | :09:40. | |
Sturgeon now, would you have a referendum tomorrow on Scottish | :09:41. | :09:44. | |
independence, she would say no, she knows she would lose again. That is | :09:45. | :09:49. | |
a lot of hot air. One of the other point, it is quite stark, the | :09:50. | :09:53. | |
contrast between metropolitan Britain, particularly around London, | :09:54. | :09:58. | |
university cities, Oxford, Cambridge, Exeter, and the rest of | :09:59. | :10:03. | |
Britain. We are going to have to address that. One thing I would like | :10:04. | :10:07. | |
to say for some of your listeners, viewers, who may be worried with | :10:08. | :10:10. | |
what they have seen in relation to David Cameron stepping down, I think | :10:11. | :10:15. | |
Peter will agree, we have treated each other in a respectful way | :10:16. | :10:20. | |
during this, good-humoured debates have taken place within the | :10:21. | :10:22. | |
Conservative Party but also recognition for all of us as | :10:23. | :10:25. | |
Conservatives that we have a country to govern, whoever may be leading | :10:26. | :10:30. | |
that, we, as part and parcel of that Conservative grouping, we'll do our | :10:31. | :10:33. | |
level best to make sure that all issues are dealt with, not justice, | :10:34. | :10:38. | |
we hopefully represent the whole nation for this way in the years to | :10:39. | :10:41. | |
come. There will be plenty to discuss around that. There is many | :10:42. | :10:45. | |
days where we will be sitting here discussing that. | :10:46. | :10:51. | |
As the result became clear the pound plunged, | :10:52. | :10:55. | |
it's the biggest one day drop in 30 years, | :10:56. | :10:58. | |
it fell to levels not seen since 1985. | :10:59. | :10:59. | |
The governor of the Bank of England, Mark Carney, has sought to reassure | :11:00. | :11:03. | |
financial markets and he said the Bank was "well prepared". | :11:04. | :11:11. | |
Let's get the latest from the city, Ben Thompson is there, with more on | :11:12. | :11:22. | |
that. We talk about volatility a lot but we have seen plenty of it today, | :11:23. | :11:26. | |
this is what is happening on European market, this is the current | :11:27. | :11:30. | |
state of play across Europe, you can see the FTSE 100 is down 3.5%, the | :11:31. | :11:34. | |
losses on mainland Europe are significantly worse. In the next 35 | :11:35. | :11:40. | |
minutes, New York, US markets will open, this is what we expect, a | :11:41. | :11:43. | |
similar fall on the Dow Jones, the SNP and the Nasdaq. Figures | :11:44. | :11:47. | |
suggesting markets could fall when they open following the lead that we | :11:48. | :11:52. | |
have seen in Europe but also Asia. One line of breaking copy we are | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
getting through to us in the city, news from Morgan Stanley, the | :11:57. | :12:01. | |
investment bank, it expects to move, and already has started the process, | :12:02. | :12:06. | |
of moving 2000 of its London based jobs, it will move them to Dublin or | :12:07. | :12:11. | |
to Frankfurt. Clearly a lot of the big banks have contingency plans in | :12:12. | :12:16. | |
place, if the UK indeed voted to leave the European Union. They are | :12:17. | :12:19. | |
enacting them already. They will not wait for Article 50 to be triggered, | :12:20. | :12:24. | |
they are doing it straightaway, those investment banking functions. | :12:25. | :12:32. | |
Let's discuss this in more detail, talking about the market | :12:33. | :12:36. | |
implications. Keith, from Schroders, we see the volatility on the market, | :12:37. | :12:40. | |
33 minutes until New York opens. What does it tell us about what | :12:41. | :12:44. | |
investors think of what they have heard? Investors are risk averse, | :12:45. | :12:50. | |
the uncertainty created means they are questioning everything and of | :12:51. | :12:53. | |
course not just the impact of the UK on the rest of the world economy, it | :12:54. | :12:57. | |
is the idea that this populist vote could spread to other countries, you | :12:58. | :13:03. | |
could see similar changes elsewhere. Europe has been very effective | :13:04. | :13:07. | |
because of other areas which want to have a referendum on Europe, and in | :13:08. | :13:11. | |
the US, the presidential election coming up. This reminds investors | :13:12. | :13:16. | |
that we should not be complacent, that there is a deep feeling about | :13:17. | :13:21. | |
the state of the world economy. When we see the volatility there is a | :13:22. | :13:24. | |
tendency to think it is an jerk, what is actually happening? Are | :13:25. | :13:28. | |
investors trading? Are they sitting back and seeing how it plays out? | :13:29. | :13:33. | |
There is some short-term trading going on, longer term investors like | :13:34. | :13:37. | |
ourselves are generally sitting back, assessing the impact, working | :13:38. | :13:41. | |
out what it would mean for the economy and politics, will we be | :13:42. | :13:44. | |
able to get a trade agreement with the rest of Europe to mark those | :13:45. | :13:48. | |
factors will be important. Where does this leave the UK in the world | :13:49. | :13:53. | |
as far as economies are concerned? Interesting, adding that the FTSE, | :13:54. | :13:57. | |
you can see that some companies have not done too badly because the pound | :13:58. | :14:01. | |
has fallen, the exporters have done well, but the more domestic stocks | :14:02. | :14:05. | |
have been hit quite hard, that is really picking up the effect of | :14:06. | :14:09. | |
growth, weaker growth, that we are likely to see at least for a period | :14:10. | :14:14. | |
before the settlement. Investors are thinking of greenfield investment, | :14:15. | :14:16. | |
property, this will cause them to pause for thought. They will delay. | :14:17. | :14:24. | |
Appreciate that, the Dow Jones expected to open in the next 30 | :14:25. | :14:29. | |
minutes, we will keep across that for you, and much more over the | :14:30. | :14:32. | |
course of the afternoon. We will see you soon. | :14:33. | :15:05. | |
A moment of history as the UK votes to leave the on his | :15:06. | :15:11. | |
After more than four decades in the EU, a decisive vote, | :15:12. | :15:18. | |
as more than 17 million people vote to leave. | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
David Cameron says he will now stand down as Prime Minister. | :15:24. | :15:27. | |
I will do everything I can as Prime Minister to steady the ship | :15:28. | :15:30. | |
But I do not think it would be right for me to try to be the captain | :15:31. | :15:35. | |
that steers our country to its next destination. | :15:36. | :15:38. | |
There was jubilation in the Leave camp. | :15:39. | :15:40. | |
UKIP's Nigel Farage called it a "victory for ordinary people, | :15:41. | :15:42. | |
against the big banks, big business and big politics". | :15:43. | :15:49. | |
Nothing will change over the short term, except that work will have | :15:50. | :15:52. | |
to begin on how to give effect to the will of the people | :15:53. | :15:55. | |
and to extracate this country from the supranational system. | :15:56. | :16:02. | |
Dramatic falls for both the pound and the markets following the news, | :16:03. | :16:05. | |
but the Bank of England says it is taking "all necessary steps" | :16:06. | :16:08. | |
And the future of the UK is again on the table, | :16:09. | :16:16. | |
as Scotland's First Minister says a second independence referendum | :16:17. | :16:18. | |
is highly likely, after Scots voted overwhelmingly to remain. | :16:19. | :16:24. | |
It is a significant and material change in circumstances and it is, | :16:25. | :16:27. | |
therefore, a statement of the obvious that the option | :16:28. | :16:29. | |
of a second referendum must be on the table. | :16:30. | :16:46. | |
evil has a clear scalp of the same minister. We will be speaking to | :16:47. | :17:00. | |
political commentators. I am in Brussels,, really shock waves | :17:01. | :17:04. | |
reverberating all alone. What happens now? I am alive in | :17:05. | :17:16. | |
Cambridgeshire, a region with the high Eastern European population. | :17:17. | :17:31. | |
After more than 40 years, Britain has voted to end its membership | :17:32. | :17:36. | |
The vote was decisive. 52% chose to leave the EU. | :17:37. | :17:41. | |
Within hours, David Cameron announced he was standing | :17:42. | :17:46. | |
He said he would stay in Number Ten for the next few months, | :17:47. | :17:53. | |
but that the country required fresh leadership. | :17:54. | :17:55. | |
Boris Johnson, who campaigned for a Leave vote, said the UK now | :17:56. | :17:58. | |
had a "glorious opportunity" to pass its own laws, | :17:59. | :18:03. | |
set its own taxes and find its voice in the world again. | :18:04. | :18:08. | |
We can take a closer look at the final result, | :18:09. | :18:11. | |
which shows that Leave secured its victory by a margin | :18:12. | :18:13. | |
In total, 17.4 million people voted for the UK to leave the EU. | :18:14. | :18:20. | |
That compares with the 16.1 million voters who backed Remain. | :18:21. | :18:26. | |
More than 72% of eligible voters took part. | :18:27. | :18:31. | |
In England, more than 15 million people voted for the UK | :18:32. | :18:34. | |
In Scotland, every voting area came out in favour of Remain. | :18:35. | :18:43. | |
62% of Scottish voters backed Remain, with 38% | :18:44. | :18:45. | |
In Wales, Leave won over 52% of the vote | :18:46. | :18:54. | |
votes in all but five of the 22 counting areas. | :18:55. | :19:00. | |
In Northern Ireland, which shares a land border | :19:01. | :19:02. | |
with the European Union, voters backed Remain, | :19:03. | :19:04. | |
with 55% of voters choosing to remain in the EU, | :19:05. | :19:06. | |
We will have all the reaction from Westminster, the City | :19:07. | :19:23. | |
and from Europe, but first, our political correspondent | :19:24. | :19:27. | |
Carole Walker reports on dramatic events so far. | :19:28. | :19:33. | |
The people have voted for a new destiny for Britain. | :19:34. | :19:36. | |
This means that the UK has voted to leave the European Union. | :19:37. | :19:51. | |
A decision a few predicted at the start of this campaign. | :19:52. | :19:54. | |
A decision which has forced the Prime Minister out of office. | :19:55. | :19:56. | |
There was no hiding the emotion of David Cameron, with his | :19:57. | :19:59. | |
wife Samantha, emerged in Downing Street. | :20:00. | :20:00. | |
The British people have voted to leave the European Union | :20:01. | :20:03. | |
He had fought and lost the battle to persuade | :20:04. | :20:08. | |
the country to stay in the European Union. | :20:09. | :20:10. | |
I fought this campaign in the only way I know how, | :20:11. | :20:13. | |
which is to say directly and passionately what I think and feel, | :20:14. | :20:15. | |
head, heart and soul. I held nothing back. | :20:16. | :20:20. | |
But the British people have made a very clear decision to take a | :20:21. | :20:25. | |
different path and as such I think the country requires fresh | :20:26. | :20:28. | |
leadership to take it in this direction. | :20:29. | :20:32. | |
I will do everything I can as Prime Minister to steady | :20:33. | :20:35. | |
the ship over the coming weeks and months, but I do not | :20:36. | :20:39. | |
think it would be right for me to try to be | :20:40. | :20:45. | |
the captain that steers our country to its next destination. | :20:46. | :20:48. | |
From the moment the results started coming in just after midnight, | :20:49. | :20:50. | |
The total number of votes cast in favour of Leave was 82,000... | :20:51. | :21:00. | |
By the end of the night, Leave had won a clean sweep across | :21:01. | :21:03. | |
the North of England, the Midlands, the East and West of England. | :21:04. | :21:07. | |
London was the only region of England to | :21:08. | :21:08. | |
support remaining a member of the EU. | :21:09. | :21:14. | |
The results in Flintshire reflected the outcome across Wales, | :21:15. | :21:16. | |
But Northern Ireland voted to remain in the EU. | :21:17. | :21:23. | |
Sinn Fein said it intensifies the case for a vote | :21:24. | :21:26. | |
on whether Northern Ireland should leave the United Kingdom. | :21:27. | :21:32. | |
And Scotland, as expected, voted by a clear majority | :21:33. | :21:34. | |
Scotland's First Minister said it was democratically | :21:35. | :21:47. | |
to be taken out of EU against its will. | :21:48. | :21:50. | |
Scotland does now face that prospect. | :21:51. | :21:51. | |
It is a significant and material change in circumstances and | :21:52. | :21:54. | |
it is therefore a statement of the obvious that the option of a second | :21:55. | :21:57. | |
referendum must be on the table, and it is on the table. | :21:58. | :22:01. | |
But at Westminster, jubilate Leave campaigners have been celebrating. | :22:02. | :22:04. | |
Nigel Farage said he was thrilled that the country had decided to | :22:05. | :22:09. | |
break free from what he called a failing, | :22:10. | :22:11. | |
17 million people have said we must leave the European Union. | :22:12. | :22:16. | |
We now need a Brexit government, a government that gets | :22:17. | :22:18. | |
on with the job, a government that begins the renegotiation of our | :22:19. | :22:21. | |
Boris Johnson struggled through the throng at his | :22:22. | :22:30. | |
home, then paid tribute to the Prime Minister | :22:31. | :22:32. | |
for his bravery in giving the British people per se. | :22:33. | :22:38. | |
I believe we now have a glorious opportunity. | :22:39. | :22:40. | |
We can pass our laws and set our taxes | :22:41. | :22:43. | |
entirely according to the needs of the UK economy. | :22:44. | :22:48. | |
We can control our own borders in a way | :22:49. | :22:50. | |
that is not discriminatory, but fair and balanced, | :22:51. | :22:55. | |
and take the wind out of the sails of the extremists and | :22:56. | :22:58. | |
those who would play politics with immigration. | :22:59. | :23:03. | |
But in the City, shares plunged and the pound fell | :23:04. | :23:08. | |
dramatically despite all the attempts at reassurance from | :23:09. | :23:11. | |
political leaders and the Bank of England, which promised to take | :23:12. | :23:13. | |
whatever measures were necessary, to support the economy. | :23:14. | :23:17. | |
And there are now questions over the future of the | :23:18. | :23:20. | |
Labour leader, who has been blamed for a lacklustre campaign to remain | :23:21. | :23:22. | |
in the EU, which failed to convince many Labour supporters. | :23:23. | :23:28. | |
Clearly, there are some very difficult days ahead. | :23:29. | :23:32. | |
The value of the pound has already fallen and there will, | :23:33. | :23:34. | |
therefore, be job consequences as a result of this decision. | :23:35. | :23:39. | |
The Prime Minister has resigned, can you give us a reaction? | :23:40. | :23:41. | |
No reaction, but two senior Labour MPs have tabled a | :23:42. | :23:44. | |
motion of no-confidence in Mr Corbyn's leadership. | :23:45. | :23:49. | |
I think Jeremy Corbyn should resign as leader of the Labour Party. | :23:50. | :23:56. | |
This was a test of leadership, the European referendum campaign. | :23:57. | :24:00. | |
He started too late, he was very half-hearted in the | :24:01. | :24:03. | |
leadership he gave to Labour under it. | :24:04. | :24:04. | |
For Britain, for Europe, as the country embarks on a new and | :24:05. | :24:11. | |
uncertain future outside the EU and under a different leader. | :24:12. | :24:17. | |
Carole Walker, BBC News, Westminster. | :24:18. | :24:29. | |
With me is our Chief Political Correspondent Vicki Young. | :24:30. | :24:40. | |
The tone and content of that statement? It is an incredible | :24:41. | :24:49. | |
moment, because when things change in Westminster, they often change | :24:50. | :24:58. | |
very fast. He appears, on the verge of tears, saying he is going to step | :24:59. | :25:09. | |
down. Interestingly, only yesterday, he was getting the backing of many | :25:10. | :25:16. | |
of the Eurosceptic MPs, seeing he should be on regardless of the | :25:17. | :25:21. | |
result. Clearly, he was very emotional. Other things to worry | :25:22. | :25:30. | |
about, the potential break-up of the United Kingdom. Changes to agree | :25:31. | :25:37. | |
that we treat, that we travel. This was all a big gamble for him and it | :25:38. | :25:47. | |
did not pay off. Those are the other side of the campaign had their own | :25:48. | :25:51. | |
statements. They were very soul, the likes of Boris Johnson. He would | :25:52. | :26:05. | |
have thought they had lost. This was very different to the Ukip leader, | :26:06. | :26:13. | |
who said he had champagne for breakfast. It must feel like Boris | :26:14. | :26:20. | |
Johnson was regretting what had happened. I have just seen a | :26:21. | :26:34. | |
conservative who accused him of making immigration a dirty word. | :26:35. | :26:42. | |
They were trying to appeal to young people and liberals, but he is | :26:43. | :26:50. | |
trying to say that he has a different vision for the country | :26:51. | :27:01. | |
than the likes of Nigel Farage. The big question now is will Boris | :27:02. | :27:05. | |
Johnson try to become the next Prime Minister? | :27:06. | :27:07. | |
As the result became clear overnight, the pound | :27:08. | :27:09. | |
suffered its biggest drop on record, at one point falling to levels | :27:10. | :27:12. | |
The governor of the Bank of England Mark Carney has sought | :27:13. | :27:15. | |
to reassure financial markets and said the Bank | :27:16. | :27:17. | |
Our economics correspondent Andy Verity reports. | :27:18. | :27:26. | |
Panic on the markets on a scale not seen since | :27:27. | :27:28. | |
The fear that this could turn into another one drove the pound | :27:29. | :27:34. | |
down 12% this morning, the biggest drop in half a century, | :27:35. | :27:37. | |
and when it opened at 8am, the stock market crashed. | :27:38. | :27:41. | |
The same man who warned Brexit could trigger a recession was now | :27:42. | :27:44. | |
seeking to prevent one through reassurance, | :27:45. | :27:47. | |
announcing he'd lend up to a quarter of a trillion pounds more to banks | :27:48. | :27:50. | |
Her Majesty's Treasury and the Bank of England have engaged in extensive | :27:51. | :27:58. | |
contingency planning and the Chancellor and I have | :27:59. | :28:01. | |
remained in close contact, including through the night | :28:02. | :28:03. | |
To be clear, the Bank of England will not hesitate to take additional | :28:04. | :28:10. | |
measures as required as markets adjust and as the UK | :28:11. | :28:13. | |
Mark Carney's intervention helped to stem the panic and both the pound | :28:14. | :28:25. | |
and the shares market recovered nearly half their losses. | :28:26. | :28:28. | |
He deviated from his doomsday message from just a couple of weeks | :28:29. | :28:31. | |
ago to try and reassure the markets and also really to say | :28:32. | :28:36. | |
that he will do whatever it takes to prop up the UK economy | :28:37. | :28:39. | |
The markets love it when the central bank says we will do | :28:40. | :28:43. | |
But in Europe, shares were hit even harder. | :28:44. | :28:46. | |
Business people who count on the single market are worried. | :28:47. | :28:50. | |
The business community is really disturbed and disappointed by this. | :28:51. | :28:53. | |
We're going to have a period of volatility and instability | :28:54. | :28:57. | |
and uncertainty, and we see already in the markets things | :28:58. | :29:00. | |
that we were most concerned about, a drop in the value of sterling, | :29:01. | :29:03. | |
in the stock market and not just in the UK, around the world. | :29:04. | :29:07. | |
The immediate effect is on this, the value of the pound. | :29:08. | :29:13. | |
If you're a tourist coming to this bureau de change in London, | :29:14. | :29:23. | |
you'll get more pounds for your euros or your dollars. | :29:24. | :29:25. | |
On the other hand, if you are going on holiday will get more euros | :29:26. | :29:29. | |
-- you will get fewer euros or dollars for your pound. | :29:30. | :29:33. | |
Exporters may be more competitive because people abroad can buy more | :29:34. | :29:35. | |
of their goods for the same money, but imported prices, | :29:36. | :29:38. | |
goods coming into the country, they'll get more expensive. | :29:39. | :29:40. | |
Most economists warned Brexit would mean a weaker pound, | :29:41. | :29:42. | |
higher prices and slower growth, but no one's saying "I told you so". | :29:43. | :29:45. | |
They are praying their forecasts were wrong. | :29:46. | :29:47. | |
I want to just tell you that the London Mayor palace just tweeted, to | :29:48. | :30:09. | |
every European resident in London, you are very welcome. He said London | :30:10. | :30:18. | |
will continue to be the successful city that it has been. The message | :30:19. | :30:26. | |
they are, do not panic. But he pointed message the Internet every | :30:27. | :30:28. | |
European resident. So, a busy and uncertain | :30:29. | :30:29. | |
time on the markets. We can join our Business | :30:30. | :30:32. | |
Correspondent Ben Thompson, who is monitoring the markets | :30:33. | :30:34. | |
in the City. Potential plans already by some | :30:35. | :30:57. | |
banks to move out of London. I will take you to the market boards. It | :30:58. | :31:05. | |
has been a very volatile day. You will notice the losses on the | :31:06. | :31:13. | |
continent are much worse. In Paris and Frankfurt, markets falling much | :31:14. | :31:22. | |
more significantly. Within the next 15 minutes, we will find out the | :31:23. | :31:27. | |
view of America. The stock market will just open. We are expecting the | :31:28. | :31:35. | |
stock market to open down over the year. They will be digesting | :31:36. | :31:44. | |
everything they have heard here. Speaking to people here, they are | :31:45. | :31:50. | |
seeing a lot of investors are sitting on the sidelines at the | :31:51. | :31:53. | |
moment, just trying to get some sense of what has happened and the | :31:54. | :32:05. | |
implications for the future. You touched on that news coming through | :32:06. | :32:10. | |
from Morgan Stanley that it is already putting in place plans to | :32:11. | :32:20. | |
move to staff in the United Kingdom out of the country. They said their | :32:21. | :32:24. | |
contingency plans for that are already in place. It says it will | :32:25. | :32:37. | |
not wait for the divorce procedure to take its course. They see 2000 | :32:38. | :32:47. | |
staff will leave from the London-based, they will be | :32:48. | :32:56. | |
established elsewhere in Europe. They said it would be a European | :32:57. | :33:09. | |
union exit would deviate most significant situation since the end | :33:10. | :33:18. | |
of World War II. They are mentioning contingency planning, which is | :33:19. | :33:21. | |
happening many places, not least here. The European Parliament | :33:22. | :33:29. | |
president said earlier today there will be consequences for the United | :33:30. | :33:35. | |
Kingdom so that other countries are not encouraged to follow that | :33:36. | :33:44. | |
dangerous path. For more on the imperfect on other member states, we | :33:45. | :33:50. | |
can speak to our correspondent in Brussels. It is impossible to | :33:51. | :33:56. | |
exaggerate the shock which has been held here. There is real concern | :33:57. | :34:04. | |
about the wader European union. And then the other is the vast unknown | :34:05. | :34:11. | |
of what lies ahead. The leaders have tried to motivate the language. This | :34:12. | :34:20. | |
is not the team for hysterical reaction. The negotiation of | :34:21. | :34:28. | |
Britain's exit, the terms and the team, that will be hugely | :34:29. | :34:34. | |
complicated. The leaders from Germany, France and Italy will be | :34:35. | :34:38. | |
here next week to try and make sense of what has happened. | :34:39. | :34:49. | |
A new day breaking over the British coast. And with it, and you | :34:50. | :35:03. | |
relationship with Europe. The German Chancellor has expressed great | :35:04. | :35:09. | |
regret about the outcome. The consequences of this in the days and | :35:10. | :35:14. | |
weeks to come the paint on the remaining member states. We should | :35:15. | :35:20. | |
not be drawn into anything which could further divide Europe. In | :35:21. | :35:27. | |
Paris, the president said the result was eager leave test for Europe. | :35:28. | :35:34. | |
Europe cannot be like it was before. We need the European Union to | :35:35. | :35:39. | |
reaffirm its values of freedom, tolerance and peace. The streets of | :35:40. | :35:45. | |
Europe, ordinary citizens reacted with shock. It is a catastrophe. I | :35:46. | :35:57. | |
thought you were Europeans. A Frenchman said he respected the | :35:58. | :36:02. | |
decision but thought Britain would suffer. There has been turmoil on | :36:03. | :36:10. | |
the financial markets. Huge falls in Europe and Asia. Around the world, | :36:11. | :36:14. | |
leaders are still trying to take in what has happened. There will be a | :36:15. | :36:23. | |
degree of uncertainty. But one world figure celebrated the decision. | :36:24. | :36:30. | |
Donald Trump, visiting his golf resort in Scotland, praised the | :36:31. | :36:37. | |
British people. I think it is a great decision. I think it will be a | :36:38. | :36:42. | |
great thing. They are taking back the country. That is a great thing. | :36:43. | :36:49. | |
In Brussels, finance ministers have been holding emergency talks. There | :36:50. | :36:56. | |
are testing times ahead, not just ahead for Britain, but from the | :36:57. | :37:00. | |
European Union itself. Tremendous uncertainty. A little more about | :37:01. | :37:09. | |
what has been said. Britain is committed to leaving the European | :37:10. | :37:18. | |
Union. He said, I wondered if this is a rational decision. The leaders | :37:19. | :37:24. | |
here want to get on with negotiating this exit, because they do not want | :37:25. | :37:37. | |
a huge delay. This counters with the team plane lido by David Cameron | :37:38. | :37:40. | |
when he was talking in Downing Street. Even negotiating the time of | :37:41. | :37:51. | |
the exit could be one of the many battles lying ahead. | :37:52. | :37:54. | |
This result will have huge implications right across the UK. | :37:55. | :37:57. | |
We can now get reaction from Scotland, Wales | :37:58. | :38:00. | |
and Northern Ireland and find out what the consequences | :38:01. | :38:02. | |
Gavin Esler is in Edinburgh, Sian Lloyd is in Cardiff | :38:03. | :38:06. | |
Your sense of the reaction in the capital, and the reaction of the | :38:07. | :38:23. | |
First Minister, with the possibility of a second independence referendum. | :38:24. | :38:28. | |
She was fairly bald and very cautious at the same time. She was | :38:29. | :38:33. | |
seen this was a game changer. Scotland are being taken out of the | :38:34. | :38:37. | |
European Union against the will of the people. Therefore, it is highly | :38:38. | :38:44. | |
likely there would be a second independence referendum. The more | :38:45. | :38:54. | |
cautious side was talking with the Mayor of London, who has also | :38:55. | :39:02. | |
expressed his wish to become the part of the European Union. I am not | :39:03. | :39:09. | |
sure how that would work. If the people of Scotland to vote in | :39:10. | :39:14. | |
another independence referendum, the First Minister says many former zero | :39:15. | :39:22. | |
voters would no vote yes. I have certainly gauged that reaction. But | :39:23. | :39:25. | |
what sort of European Union with VB voting to stay in? Some others are | :39:26. | :39:36. | |
seeing letters have the referendum next year when we have local council | :39:37. | :39:40. | |
elections. I do not see that possibly happening that quickly. The | :39:41. | :39:45. | |
Scottish parliament will reconvene next Tuesday. There are few years | :39:46. | :39:55. | |
here in Scotland who have European Union passports, who may be | :39:56. | :39:58. | |
wondering about the future, the she is seeing that they are a fairly | :39:59. | :40:04. | |
safe here. Other opinion in Scotland, we know the Scottish | :40:05. | :40:08. | |
National party is dominant. What about the other party leaders up | :40:09. | :40:15. | |
the? Really campaigning? Yes, they wear. Ruth Davidson, we saw her | :40:16. | :40:23. | |
campaigning on the national stage, as well as here in Scotland. The | :40:24. | :40:30. | |
leadership of her party is about to change. The Labour leader, I am | :40:31. | :40:38. | |
hoping to speak to her this afternoon. She said there was a | :40:39. | :40:45. | |
problem that Jeremy Corbyn is not the tape of leader who is firing up | :40:46. | :40:54. | |
the gas roots of the Labour Party. She says that the party wanted to | :40:55. | :40:59. | |
stay within the United Kingdom and within the European Union. All of | :41:00. | :41:06. | |
the parties appeared to have the problems. We will talk later on. We | :41:07. | :41:12. | |
will know go to Belfast. The broad response to what has happened. There | :41:13. | :41:25. | |
is a question about all of those issues. The Democratic Unionist | :41:26. | :41:35. | |
party leader and the First Minister have said they welcomed the result. | :41:36. | :41:41. | |
But she says there is no need to panic. Others are asking about what | :41:42. | :41:47. | |
this will mean with regard to the border. We'll be be bored chicks | :41:48. | :41:54. | |
know? There is a big relationship in trade between United Kingdom and | :41:55. | :42:00. | |
Ireland. The Arabic trading partners. All of these issues will | :42:01. | :42:08. | |
no need to be addressed. They are no practical realities. We can know go | :42:09. | :42:20. | |
to Cardiff. We saw the First Minister making that statement. What | :42:21. | :42:26. | |
has been the broad response to the to that? I think it has been a bit | :42:27. | :42:41. | |
of a shock for the Remain. I think a lot of people are rather critical of | :42:42. | :42:48. | |
the Remain camp, thinking that the lefty campaigning too late. Many | :42:49. | :42:52. | |
people feel they should have been campaigning rater after the | :42:53. | :43:01. | |
elections. There are so many alias struggling. But so many of these | :43:02. | :43:08. | |
areas get money from the European Union but they actually been | :43:09. | :43:10. | |
thwarted to leave the European Union. Very interesting that way it | :43:11. | :43:18. | |
happened. But the opinion polls recently where showing the strain. | :43:19. | :43:28. | |
-- trained. The result may be should not come as much of a shock. It was | :43:29. | :43:39. | |
focused. -- forecast. I think the First Minister will now meet with | :43:40. | :43:47. | |
the Cabinet and perhaps look to try and get more money from London. If | :43:48. | :43:50. | |
they are not getting the money from Europe, they will be looking to get | :43:51. | :43:57. | |
it from Westminster. Thank you very much. Of course, the country voted | :43:58. | :44:10. | |
to leave the European Union overall. More reaction, the United States | :44:11. | :44:17. | |
president has reacted and said, we respect the decision, but the United | :44:18. | :44:27. | |
Kingdom and the European Union will remain indispensable partners of the | :44:28. | :44:30. | |
United States. He said we respect the decision, but the European Union | :44:31. | :44:37. | |
and the United Kingdom remain indispensable partners of the United | :44:38. | :44:38. | |
States. So, what does it feel like this | :44:39. | :44:41. | |
morning, if you are a non-UK resident, to be waking up | :44:42. | :44:44. | |
in a country that has One area that has seen a huge | :44:45. | :44:46. | |
number of EU migrants Our correspondent | :44:47. | :44:50. | |
Robert Hall is there. on the faces of Brexit voters, 71.4% | :44:51. | :45:03. | |
of people in the Fenland region voted in favour of leaving the EU in | :45:04. | :45:10. | |
part down to this issue of immigration. About a third of the | :45:11. | :45:14. | |
population here, once a busy river port, are from Eastern Europe, they | :45:15. | :45:19. | |
came here to work on the farms, and in local food processing plants. A | :45:20. | :45:22. | |
lot of them now have their own businesses but it's led to divisions | :45:23. | :45:26. | |
and dissatisfactions within the town and that has contributed to the | :45:27. | :45:33. | |
Leave. I want to vote to a family from this region, not from Eastern | :45:34. | :45:38. | |
Europe. You and your family over this issue of immigration in | :45:39. | :45:42. | |
general, where part of this decision-making process and voted to | :45:43. | :45:47. | |
leave. How big was it in your mind? Quite a big because several social | :45:48. | :45:49. | |
issues need discussing around the country. We are just one of the | :45:50. | :45:55. | |
towns where it's happening. How much our problem as the Division 1 | :45:56. | :46:00. | |
referred to been in recent years? The migrant population didn't arrive | :46:01. | :46:05. | |
until a few years ago. Problems have arisen from integration with locals | :46:06. | :46:08. | |
and migrant workers and hopefully things are going to get better. This | :46:09. | :46:14. | |
was a divided family. You are a lever, your wife wavered and in the | :46:15. | :46:18. | |
end, remained. And you too, you both voted Remain Sahota do feel this | :46:19. | :46:24. | |
morning? Very discouraged by the fact we had left the EU and | :46:25. | :46:28. | |
especially because the only thing I'd seen on social media and through | :46:29. | :46:31. | |
my friends what everybody was voting in and I did not expect to be out at | :46:32. | :46:37. | |
all. What are your concerns? The economy has already started to fall | :46:38. | :46:41. | |
and it's going to continue. I'm not 100% sure but the pound is already | :46:42. | :46:47. | |
the same as it was in 1985 so it's discouraging to know the economy is | :46:48. | :46:50. | |
going downwards from here. You've just finished a degree in business, | :46:51. | :46:58. | |
so have you got concerns? In the grand scheme of things, there were | :46:59. | :47:02. | |
lots of economic reasons for staying and it's quite disappointing this | :47:03. | :47:07. | |
morning, a lot of people our age voted to Remain so it's quite sad. | :47:08. | :47:14. | |
What principles do think people voted on? Do think the campaign was | :47:15. | :47:19. | |
conducted properly? I don't think it was conducted well. As loss of | :47:20. | :47:24. | |
concentration on immigration, the imaginary 350 million we sent to the | :47:25. | :47:28. | |
EU each week but immigration was a big factor. People are quite narrow | :47:29. | :47:35. | |
minded about it. Thank you. In a word, we had worrying signs from the | :47:36. | :47:38. | |
city and businesses, are you now concerned about the cross in the box | :47:39. | :47:44. | |
you left? A lot of people will be concerned. We do have to see what | :47:45. | :47:48. | |
the future holds and we do need to unite and make it a better world. | :47:49. | :47:53. | |
Work together. Work perhaps harder at making it the place it should be. | :47:54. | :47:59. | |
Thank you all very much. More from Wisbech a little later on but for | :48:00. | :48:03. | |
now, back to you. Roberts, thank you very much. | :48:04. | :48:07. | |
We are reporting from Westminster on the outcome of the EU referendum. | :48:08. | :48:19. | |
You're watching a special EU referendum programme | :48:20. | :48:21. | |
Now over to the BBC Newsroom for a summary of all the latest news | :48:22. | :48:28. | |
After more than 40 years, the UK is to end its membership | :48:29. | :48:32. | |
The decision has been decisive with the Leave campaign | :48:33. | :48:35. | |
securing its victory by a margin of more than one million votes. | :48:36. | :48:38. | |
The Prime Minister David Cameron has said he will step down | :48:39. | :48:41. | |
and a new Prime Minister would be in place within months. | :48:42. | :48:45. | |
In total, 17.4 million people voted for the UK to leave the EU. | :48:46. | :48:50. | |
That compares with the 16.1 million voters who backed remain. | :48:51. | :48:55. | |
Turnout was 72%, the highest level in a nationwide ballot | :48:56. | :48:59. | |
As the UK woke up to the news it is to exit the European Union, | :49:00. | :49:07. | |
Ukip's leader Nigel Farage led those in Westminster saying June 23rd | :49:08. | :49:12. | |
should now be regarded as Britain's independence day. | :49:13. | :49:18. | |
Those from the Remain camp described the result as a catastrophe. | :49:19. | :49:24. | |
Supporters of Remain consoled each other as the campaign received lower | :49:25. | :49:27. | |
than expected support across swathes of England including | :49:28. | :49:29. | |
Speaking outside Downing Street, David Cameron said that he will | :49:30. | :49:35. | |
resign as Prime Minister with a new leader appointed by October. | :49:36. | :49:42. | |
I think the country requires fresh leadership to take it in this | :49:43. | :49:50. | |
direction. I will do everything I can as Prime Minister to steady the | :49:51. | :49:53. | |
ship over the coming weeks and months. But I do not think it would | :49:54. | :49:58. | |
be right for me to try to be the captain that steers our country to | :49:59. | :50:04. | |
its next destination. This is not a decision I have taken lightly. But I | :50:05. | :50:07. | |
do believe it's in the national interest to have a period of | :50:08. | :50:11. | |
stability and then the new leadership required. There is no | :50:12. | :50:16. | |
need for a precise timetable today. But, in my view, we should aim to | :50:17. | :50:20. | |
have a new Prime Minister in place by the start of the Conservative | :50:21. | :50:21. | |
Party conference in October. One of the politicians who led | :50:22. | :50:23. | |
the campaign to Leave, the former Mayor of London, | :50:24. | :50:26. | |
Boris Johnson paid tribute to David Cameron as "one of the most | :50:27. | :50:28. | |
extraordinary politicians Mr Johnson also said that | :50:29. | :50:30. | |
in the future Britain would benefit I believe we now have a glorious | :50:31. | :50:43. | |
opportunity, we can pass our laws, and set our taxes entirely according | :50:44. | :50:50. | |
to the needs of the UK economy. We can control our own borders in a way | :50:51. | :50:54. | |
that is not discriminatory but fair and balanced and take the wind out | :50:55. | :51:02. | |
of the sails of the extremists and those who would play politics with | :51:03. | :51:03. | |
immigration. More than 62% of people in Scotland | :51:04. | :51:04. | |
voted to stay in the EU. The First Minister of Scotland, | :51:05. | :51:07. | |
Nicola Sturgeon, says that meant the option of a second | :51:08. | :51:09. | |
referendum was on the table. When the article 50 process is | :51:10. | :51:22. | |
triggered in three months' time, the UK will be on a two-year path to the | :51:23. | :51:28. | |
EU exit door. If Parliament judges a second referendum is the best or | :51:29. | :51:33. | |
only way to protect our place in Europe, it must have the option to | :51:34. | :51:38. | |
hold one within the timescale. That means we must act now to protect | :51:39. | :51:43. | |
that position. I can therefore confirmed today that in order to | :51:44. | :51:47. | |
protect that position, we will begin to prepare the legislation that is | :51:48. | :51:53. | |
required to enable a new independence referendum to take | :51:54. | :51:55. | |
place if and when Parliament so decides. | :51:56. | :51:57. | |
The political ramifications have extended to the | :51:58. | :51:59. | |
Two of its MPs have submitted a motion of no | :52:00. | :52:02. | |
Jeremy Corbyn is criticised for his handling of his handling | :52:03. | :52:06. | |
of the referendum campaign by Margaret Hodge and Ann Coffey. | :52:07. | :52:10. | |
They've written to the Chairman of the Parliamentary Labour Party. | :52:11. | :52:12. | |
Their motion has no formal force, but it calls for a discussion at | :52:13. | :52:15. | |
If accepted, it would be followed by a secret ballot | :52:16. | :52:21. | |
Jeremy Corbyn pulled out of a planned appearance at Glastonbury | :52:22. | :52:30. | |
this weekend. Let's cross live now back | :52:31. | :52:33. | |
to Huw Edwards, gauging Joanna, thank you very much and | :52:34. | :52:45. | |
welcome back to Downing Street. We have a position, reporting today in | :52:46. | :52:48. | |
Downing Street on the decision of the UK electorate to leave the | :52:49. | :52:52. | |
European Union. We have a Prime Minister resigning and will leave | :52:53. | :52:56. | |
office within five or six months, a position where the Labour leader is | :52:57. | :53:01. | |
likely to be challenged, possibly next week, Scotland, the First | :53:02. | :53:05. | |
Minister talking in terms of a potential referendum, second | :53:06. | :53:08. | |
referendum on independence. There are other layers, of course, | :53:09. | :53:14. | |
including the legal consequences of this decision. How will this vote | :53:15. | :53:18. | |
change the legal relationship between the UK and the EU? Let's | :53:19. | :53:20. | |
talk to someone who knows. Our legal correspondent | :53:21. | :53:22. | |
Clive Coleman is with me. There are lots of points we could | :53:23. | :53:29. | |
raise Taiwan to start with Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty. -- I want | :53:30. | :53:39. | |
to start. Is this the route for Britain? Yes, we signed up to an | :53:40. | :53:41. | |
international treaty and that's the way we get out of it. If you look at | :53:42. | :53:46. | |
Article 50, the problem is, it's pretty brief, it doesn't lay down | :53:47. | :53:54. | |
any sort of route map, any timescale, save this, once the prime | :53:55. | :53:57. | |
ministers notified the president of the European Council of the UK's | :53:58. | :54:00. | |
intention to leave, a clock starts ticking for two years and that's the | :54:01. | :54:05. | |
two-year window in which we have to agree an arrangement whereby we | :54:06. | :54:10. | |
leave. Interestingly, though, although people think that will be a | :54:11. | :54:13. | |
two-year period where we can do everything, a trade agreement, a | :54:14. | :54:17. | |
movement of people agreement, that will be simply the divorce | :54:18. | :54:21. | |
settlement, not impossible, we could include a trade agreement within | :54:22. | :54:24. | |
that, but trade agreements are notoriously difficult and long in | :54:25. | :54:28. | |
terms of their negotiation and can take a decade or more so that | :54:29. | :54:33. | |
two-year window is the time we have two negotiate this basic divorce | :54:34. | :54:38. | |
settlement. If we don't do it within two years, that's it, we are out and | :54:39. | :54:42. | |
would have to negotiate with the EU just like a normal third-party | :54:43. | :54:46. | |
member state that is not a member of the EU. That's basically the | :54:47. | :54:51. | |
position, but within that, there's a huge amount of uncertainty as to | :54:52. | :54:56. | |
actually how this is all done. That Article 50 has not been triggered | :54:57. | :54:59. | |
yet. The Prime Minister said that today and there was clear relief in | :55:00. | :55:03. | |
other quarters he had not done so. Does he have to do that by a certain | :55:04. | :55:08. | |
time? Is he under pressure to do it from EU partners? It doesn't give | :55:09. | :55:12. | |
you a timeline when you have to do it. There's lots of arguments for | :55:13. | :55:16. | |
not doing about quickly. Russell is pretty much sat down over the | :55:17. | :55:22. | |
summer. The more breathing space you have -- Brussels. The better deal | :55:23. | :55:27. | |
could be done in due course. He does not have to trigger it. He says he | :55:28. | :55:31. | |
will do it fairly rapidly, so there is an issue of moral promises made | :55:32. | :55:37. | |
to do that, and I think if it goes on too long, people will get very | :55:38. | :55:41. | |
touchy about it. Crucial point, all of EU legislation, which is applying | :55:42. | :55:47. | |
to the UK today, what happens to all of that? That's the $64,000 | :55:48. | :55:54. | |
question. No one knows. In order to expunge EU law from UK law, you | :55:55. | :55:57. | |
would need an exercise in Parliamentary scrutiny the like of | :55:58. | :56:01. | |
which we have never ever seen. It would probably take one Parliament | :56:02. | :56:04. | |
if not two or three. Our legal system has been growing up through | :56:05. | :56:09. | |
the last 40 is alongside in conjunction with EU law, in biding, | :56:10. | :56:14. | |
taken on board EU law which now runs through the veins of large areas of | :56:15. | :56:19. | |
our law, employment law, for instance, environmental law, so to | :56:20. | :56:22. | |
go through act by act, statutory instrument, scrutinise it, and | :56:23. | :56:29. | |
appeal at all appended, would take forever. I've heard it said one of | :56:30. | :56:34. | |
the ironies of this referendum could be that the only effective way to do | :56:35. | :56:37. | |
that would be to give much more power to the executive to give | :56:38. | :56:41. | |
ministers power to do that and that would be something of an irony in a | :56:42. | :56:46. | |
referendum which, at its heart, was wanting greater democracy which | :56:47. | :56:48. | |
result in a more executive power being given in shaping our law to | :56:49. | :56:54. | |
Cabinet ministers. I don't subscribe to that by now that view was | :56:55. | :56:59. | |
expressed. Fascinating. Thank you very much for that. Clive Coleman | :57:00. | :57:05. | |
talking through the complexities and some of the timescales that could be | :57:06. | :57:08. | |
involved in the process of untangling, not just one or two | :57:09. | :57:12. | |
years but it could take several years. | :57:13. | :57:13. | |
Heathrow airport claims it will now play an even more vital role | :57:14. | :57:15. | |
in keeping the UK connected to the rest of the world. | :57:16. | :57:20. | |
The airport's chief executive John Holland-Kaye is there. | :57:21. | :57:25. | |
John, thank you. Your response first of all them, given your crucial | :57:26. | :57:34. | |
position in terms of the UK economy, to the vote we had overnight? Well, | :57:35. | :57:39. | |
I think at the time your think about what kind of country do we want to | :57:40. | :57:43. | |
have, what economy will be have? We're concerned about the state of | :57:44. | :57:46. | |
the financial markets and what it means for us all but I think this is | :57:47. | :57:51. | |
the point of clarity when we realise what matters for the future. We want | :57:52. | :57:55. | |
a stronger country, stronger economy for the next generation, we need to | :57:56. | :57:58. | |
invest now to make sure the economy can be stronger and what Heathrow | :57:59. | :58:03. | |
expansion will do is make sure we can trade with all the growing | :58:04. | :58:06. | |
market in the world. We want to be confident as good-looking superpower | :58:07. | :58:10. | |
and only Heathrow expansion will allow us to do that. We need to look | :58:11. | :58:14. | |
not just to Europe for the future but the world, and that's why it's | :58:15. | :58:18. | |
now critical we get on with it. We're concerned about the stability | :58:19. | :58:23. | |
in the UK economy. What better way than to bring an ?18 billion | :58:24. | :58:29. | |
privately funded investment in British infrastructure? That's a | :58:30. | :58:32. | |
huge opportunity to create jobs and growth now which any politician | :58:33. | :58:36. | |
should grab with both hands. What are your chances of that happening | :58:37. | :58:40. | |
if Boris Johnson becomes Prime Minister? I think we are in a new | :58:41. | :58:45. | |
reality now where any political leader will want to provide economic | :58:46. | :58:49. | |
stability today and investment in jobs and growth at Heathrow will do | :58:50. | :58:53. | |
that, and set up the next generation for future success. We've got to be | :58:54. | :58:58. | |
outward looking. We've got to be confident as one of the world's big | :58:59. | :59:01. | |
trading nations and that's why we need the direct flights to all of | :59:02. | :59:05. | |
the growing market in the world, Asia, North and South America. We | :59:06. | :59:08. | |
know only Heathrow can do that. Every time we look at this, only | :59:09. | :59:14. | |
Heathrow expansion will do that and that's wide, whether it's Boris | :59:15. | :59:16. | |
Johnson or another Prime Minister Erdogan they will come to the same | :59:17. | :59:20. | |
conclusion, get on and expand Heathrow. We were talking to Clive | :59:21. | :59:27. | |
Coleman about the legal complexity of unpicking the legislation and | :59:28. | :59:30. | |
different aspects of the relationship with the EU. What, in | :59:31. | :59:35. | |
practical terms, could this mean for big airports and let's talk about | :59:36. | :59:39. | |
Heathrow, the busy one, what in practical terms could that unpicking | :59:40. | :59:44. | |
mean for you? In the short term of course, nothing changes. If you're | :59:45. | :59:47. | |
travelling as a passenger, it exactly the same today as it was | :59:48. | :59:50. | |
yesterday and will be the same in two years' time as it is today. | :59:51. | :59:55. | |
People should not expect anything to change in duty free or immigration. | :59:56. | :59:59. | |
In the longer term of course, we are concerned about the health of the | :00:00. | :00:05. | |
economy. We will expect to see some changes at some point around | :00:06. | :00:09. | |
immigration for example. Around duty-free and around employment. One | :00:10. | :00:15. | |
thing is clear. We need more than ever to have a strong, healthy port | :00:16. | :00:22. | |
right at the heart of the UK and that is what Heathrow does. Whatever | :00:23. | :00:27. | |
arrangement may have with the EU, we need to have a plan for the long | :00:28. | :00:33. | |
term future but the rest of the world. Thanks very much for joining | :00:34. | :00:40. | |
us. The chief executive of Heathrow Airport making a very clear appeal | :00:41. | :00:44. | |
to whoever succeeds David Cameron at ten Downing St for the Heathrow | :00:45. | :00:49. | |
expansion option which of course has been a very, very controversial | :00:50. | :00:53. | |
debate over the last few years. Boris Johnson has very strong views | :00:54. | :00:56. | |
on it because he wanted an altogether different solution. Let's | :00:57. | :01:01. | |
see about my change. -- let fear that might change. -- let's see if | :01:02. | :01:06. | |
that might change. Political reaction is continuing | :01:07. | :01:08. | |
to filter through this morning, both to Britain's historic decision | :01:09. | :01:10. | |
to leave the EU and the Prime Let's go to College Green | :01:11. | :01:13. | |
at Westminster and my Thank you. We're going to pick up on | :01:14. | :01:27. | |
the conversation you are just having about Heathrow. We will talk a | :01:28. | :01:32. | |
little bit more about the impact on business, the economy, the world of | :01:33. | :01:37. | |
work. Alongside me, on a very busy Westminster, Frances O'Grady, the | :01:38. | :01:41. | |
head of the TUC and John Longworth, formerly of the British Chambers of. | :01:42. | :01:47. | |
A question to our guest about Heathrow, in essence, what changes | :01:48. | :01:54. | |
from here on in? The TUC wants to see some urgent action on a national | :01:55. | :01:58. | |
action plan to shore up the pound, secured economy, but crucially to | :01:59. | :02:05. | |
protect people's jobs and livelihoods, we can't have working | :02:06. | :02:07. | |
people paying the price again. We want the government to pull in | :02:08. | :02:13. | |
politicians of all stripes, unions and business, to work together on | :02:14. | :02:19. | |
how we get a deal to retain access to the EU market on which so many | :02:20. | :02:24. | |
manufacturing exports and good jobs depend. We'll talk more about that. | :02:25. | :02:29. | |
John Longworth, you wanted to leave, of course. Yes, I was chairman of | :02:30. | :02:36. | |
the boat leave council. The one thing we can't do is return to the | :02:37. | :02:41. | |
establishment business as usual -- Vote Leave. If we do, we'll | :02:42. | :02:45. | |
negotiate back into the European social market or lose the benefits | :02:46. | :02:52. | |
for that we need to get the real benefits of leaving. Those benefits | :02:53. | :02:55. | |
are not to do with a single market but to do with the dividend of 1% | :02:56. | :03:00. | |
potential growth from the contribution we make we no longer | :03:01. | :03:04. | |
have to make from a reduction in regulatory costs from the removal of | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
course of the big external barriers, the tariffs, the EU actually applied | :03:10. | :03:13. | |
that makes food and clothing and footwear much more expensive for UK | :03:14. | :03:18. | |
consumers. Those of sorts of things which will the economy. Without any | :03:19. | :03:23. | |
trade deal of the EU, we will of course get a trade deal with the EU | :03:24. | :03:27. | |
because we sell much more to them than they sell to us. Particular | :03:28. | :03:34. | |
manufacturing, wraps I talk to, decisions on new starters, | :03:35. | :03:38. | |
apprenticeships, investments, I think today is a day where actually | :03:39. | :03:40. | |
we need unity -- wrap today everybody needs develop their | :03:41. | :03:51. | |
sleeves and be very clear that this is not about politicians jobs but | :03:52. | :03:54. | |
about working people's jobs and that has to be top of the agenda for | :03:55. | :03:59. | |
everybody. But it's a long slow process. Can we all agree on that? | :04:00. | :04:04. | |
Negotiating trade deals, agreements, none of this is going to happen | :04:05. | :04:10. | |
quickly and that we always hear that business hates uncertainty? Isn't | :04:11. | :04:18. | |
that an unsettling period? The greatest uncertainty would have been | :04:19. | :04:21. | |
to remain in the European Union where we would have had none of the | :04:22. | :04:24. | |
decision-making, had to foot the bill and had all the regulatory | :04:25. | :04:29. | |
costs. Now we need to make sure we get the dividend the economy, the | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
boost of the economy, from leaving and we can do some of that very | :04:34. | :04:37. | |
quickly. Of course, we determine the pace at which we exit the European | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
Union, we don't have to trigger article 54 that we could have | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
pre-negotiations informally and then to Article 50 quite quickly. If we | :04:46. | :04:49. | |
find when not getting the deal, we ought to simply leave and get on and | :04:50. | :04:55. | |
make our own way. I think everybody wants to get a good deal and that's | :04:56. | :05:00. | |
what we should focus on but I do worry about others talking about | :05:01. | :05:05. | |
taking a bit of a punt on how quickly we would find other trade | :05:06. | :05:09. | |
deals when its peoples livelihoods at stake. A lot of working have | :05:10. | :05:14. | |
already been through one hell of a crisis in terms of financial crisis, | :05:15. | :05:21. | |
2008. They feel angry and disaffected but they lost our jobs | :05:22. | :05:24. | |
and pay packets, but also through the cuts, the local services, too. | :05:25. | :05:28. | |
We got a generation of young people who didn't vote for this Brexit and | :05:29. | :05:32. | |
I think we should be looking at a national programme to get demand | :05:33. | :05:35. | |
into the economy, like building affordable homes, which young people | :05:36. | :05:41. | |
in particular need, to make sure they have jobs and a decent life for | :05:42. | :05:46. | |
them. We don't want to rerun the whole campaign but people watching | :05:47. | :05:50. | |
will know in the run-up to the north at a particularly big businesses | :05:51. | :05:55. | |
wanted the UK to remain and did not want the boat we have got. Those | :05:56. | :06:00. | |
businesses that were so fervent about it, what are they doing now? | :06:01. | :06:08. | |
-- vote we're huge number of business entrepreneurs signed up to | :06:09. | :06:13. | |
the Leave Campaign. The multinationals fighting against us | :06:14. | :06:17. | |
and the CBI, as well, of course, are now saying as I predicted, things | :06:18. | :06:22. | |
will be OK and we can manage the change. Pity they did not say that | :06:23. | :06:26. | |
during the campaign. The fact is it working people in the UK who suffer | :06:27. | :06:30. | |
the most from the European Union rather than the multinationals, who | :06:31. | :06:33. | |
benefited for the Labour Party should be ashamed of themselves for | :06:34. | :06:36. | |
abandoning working-class people and they are now... You sat on the board | :06:37. | :06:43. | |
of Asda and Tesco so you know the big business perspective too. I | :06:44. | :06:48. | |
think what we need to concentrate on is building confidence. Shoring up | :06:49. | :06:52. | |
the pound, and making sure we have decent jobs for people. This is | :06:53. | :06:57. | |
serious stuff. I think we need to move on from the campaign and focus | :06:58. | :07:01. | |
on working together to secure those decent jobs and protect them. OK, we | :07:02. | :07:06. | |
will talk about this plenty in the coming weeks. Thank you both for | :07:07. | :07:15. | |
now. Letter mind ourselves of exactly how the vote broke down. | :07:16. | :07:17. | |
There were big regional variations. Christian Fraser has been looking | :07:18. | :07:21. | |
through the variations. Let me show you in detail, the | :07:22. | :07:30. | |
numbers and final result as we have across the four nations of the UK. | :07:31. | :07:34. | |
We start with England. You can see the turnout is very high. 28 million | :07:35. | :07:40. | |
people voting across England. This is the highest turnout, 73%, since | :07:41. | :07:47. | |
1992, so nearly 25 years, parts of the country that don't normally get | :07:48. | :07:51. | |
involved in the prodigal process coming out to vote Wood made a huge | :07:52. | :07:59. | |
difference. You can see this made a huge difference -- political. These | :08:00. | :08:04. | |
isolated bits of yellow, the metropolitan areas, Liverpool, | :08:05. | :08:06. | |
Manchester, wealthier parts of Yorkshire, leaves, Harrogate, and up | :08:07. | :08:12. | |
here isolated, Newcastle in the north-east, although not by as | :08:13. | :08:17. | |
bigger margin is perhaps Remain were hoping for up there. London almost | :08:18. | :08:22. | |
overall in London went for Remain but not so across the south-east. | :08:23. | :08:28. | |
Big parts of Kent, also in blue. Let's look at the picture in | :08:29. | :08:32. | |
Scotland. It's very different. All 32 voting areas going for Remain. | :08:33. | :08:38. | |
The turnout, 2.8 million people in Scotland, slightly lower than the UK | :08:39. | :08:41. | |
average, which could be because of the number of votes they've had in | :08:42. | :08:48. | |
recent years. Four times in two years. Edinburgh, 74%, for Remain. | :08:49. | :08:55. | |
That opens up this whole discussion about a second independence vote in | :08:56. | :09:00. | |
Scotland. Similar discussion now going on in Northern Ireland, where, | :09:01. | :09:07. | |
again, they voted for Remain. Hello turnout, 790,000, this is one | :09:08. | :09:12. | |
interesting area. Foil. One of the top five Remain areas in the UK. | :09:13. | :09:18. | |
North Antrim, not far away, one of the top Leave areas in the UK. Three | :09:19. | :09:24. | |
out of four areas in Belfast going for Remain. Let me show you another | :09:25. | :09:29. | |
picture again. In Wales, just five of the 22 voting areas in Wales | :09:30. | :09:35. | |
going for Remain. Cardiff did, Swansea didn't, but other key Labour | :09:36. | :09:39. | |
areas, Merthyr Tydfil, Newport, Caerphilly, all going towards Leave. | :09:40. | :09:46. | |
Let me show you the top five areas which went for Leave in the country | :09:47. | :09:52. | |
because top of the pile is very interesting, Boston in Lincolnshire. | :09:53. | :09:56. | |
75%, according to the 2011 centres have the biggest percentage of | :09:57. | :10:00. | |
Eastern European migrants in England and Wales. Top of the pile of the | :10:01. | :10:06. | |
levers. South Holland, also in Lincolnshire. Castle Point in | :10:07. | :10:10. | |
ethics, big support for Ukip, Great Yarmouth has a Ukip Mayor. Let's | :10:11. | :10:17. | |
show you the top five Remain. Gibraltar, not surprising, almost | :10:18. | :10:20. | |
universal support, and in the London boroughs of Lambeth and Hackney and | :10:21. | :10:26. | |
then foil. This is interesting, I hate map, the areas in dark blue | :10:27. | :10:37. | |
they went most for Leave -- we talked about Lincolnshire, Great | :10:38. | :10:44. | |
Yarmouth down here. -- a heat map. In dark blue, similar map for | :10:45. | :10:49. | |
Remain, the central belt of Scotland, the Western Isles, the | :10:50. | :10:55. | |
Orkney Islands, in orange, and then down here, Cambridgeshire, London, | :10:56. | :11:03. | |
and odds and bets down here. That gives you a picture of how the | :11:04. | :11:07. | |
country was divided and we are also starting to see some information | :11:08. | :11:09. | |
that maybe there was a generational split as well. We hope to season | :11:10. | :11:15. | |
detail on that as the days go by. Certainly the younger people voting | :11:16. | :11:20. | |
more for Remain. The details are on the website. Christian, thank you | :11:21. | :11:34. | |
very much. Let's talk to someone who spent several years of number ten as | :11:35. | :11:37. | |
director of two mutations for a Labour Prime Minister, Tony Blair. | :11:38. | :11:42. | |
Alastair Campbell, thank you joining us. What for you, was the main | :11:43. | :11:47. | |
driver of this result? Was it to do with economic hardship or levels of | :11:48. | :11:53. | |
migration? I think they became connected. I think for me the | :11:54. | :11:56. | |
biggest thing has been a sense in lots of different amenities that | :11:57. | :12:01. | |
people feel the global financial crisis happened, the people who | :12:02. | :12:05. | |
cause the gone away with it scot-free, and they have continued | :12:06. | :12:08. | |
to pay a price through austerity policies. Part of a problem, when | :12:09. | :12:12. | |
David Cameron and George Osborne were hammering this message about | :12:13. | :12:16. | |
risk, I think they were right to do that. We've seen the consequences of | :12:17. | :12:19. | |
this vote to the economy already but I think that for a lot of people | :12:20. | :12:23. | |
they were thinking, what is this great economy you're talking about | :12:24. | :12:26. | |
because I don't feel it? We are going to an error, not just in | :12:27. | :12:30. | |
Britain but around democratic countries in the world, with a | :12:31. | :12:34. | |
public are looking for reasons to kick politicians. That's why I was | :12:35. | :12:37. | |
very worried about this referendum. I know it sounds anti-democratic to | :12:38. | :12:41. | |
save I didn't think we should have had this but the reason is, it was | :12:42. | :12:45. | |
announced three years ago as a tactic to deal with the rise of Ukip | :12:46. | :12:48. | |
and the Tory rights but three years later, we're having it in very | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
different circumstances where I was very worried when people said the | :12:54. | :12:58. | |
turnout is really, really high and that will help Remain and I did not | :12:59. | :13:02. | |
believe that. People politically in northern towns and cities were | :13:03. | :13:05. | |
voting for the first time. They were coming out to vote against something | :13:06. | :13:12. | |
and I think there is no one reason. We're talking about millions and | :13:13. | :13:15. | |
millions of people making their own minds in their own way but I think | :13:16. | :13:19. | |
it's about a sense of division and inequality and people feeling | :13:20. | :13:22. | |
there's lots of people in this country, who do really really well | :13:23. | :13:26. | |
and they keep on doing better and there's people just being left | :13:27. | :13:33. | |
behind. Do you think some Labour MPs are being unfair when their cues | :13:34. | :13:35. | |
Jeremy Corbyn and his team of not having pulled their weight in this | :13:36. | :13:40. | |
campaign? -- when they accuse. People knew this was going to be a | :13:41. | :13:45. | |
really tough fight. That was clear from the start. Everybody I think, | :13:46. | :13:50. | |
who had the possibility of playing a role to help win it had to do that | :13:51. | :13:55. | |
to the max. I don't really think you can say that was done. Latterly, the | :13:56. | :14:01. | |
Labour Party is an organisation actually did an incredible job, in | :14:02. | :14:05. | |
terms of getting out, particularly to the difficult areas, trying to | :14:06. | :14:08. | |
find supporters who would come out and vote, but I think there was a | :14:09. | :14:13. | |
confusion about the message and I think there was a difficulty in the | :14:14. | :14:17. | |
factor David Cameron was pushing one message and Jeremy Corbyn pushing a | :14:18. | :14:20. | |
different message on the same issues and Nicholas surge in something | :14:21. | :14:25. | |
different. I just think that weakened the campaign -- Nicola | :14:26. | :14:30. | |
Sturgeon. The Leave side, even though they were divided, they were | :14:31. | :14:33. | |
actually come to an entry in terms of the messages. It interesting | :14:34. | :14:38. | |
watching Nigel Farage today trying to do so in the ?350 million which | :14:39. | :14:43. | |
is frankly always was for the birds, but his disown that, he can say it | :14:44. | :14:47. | |
was nothing to do with him but it was effective for his campaign, and | :14:48. | :14:51. | |
likewise, Michael Gove can say he shuddered Nigel Farage MarketWatch | :14:52. | :14:54. | |
poster but it was effective for his campaign because they were marching | :14:55. | :14:58. | |
to the same drum and now we have delivered the same consequences. | :14:59. | :15:04. | |
Just a thought about the state of the Labour Party, which is so know | :15:05. | :15:08. | |
well, do you think people like Margaret Hodge, right to be talking | :15:09. | :15:09. | |
about a challenge Jeremy Corbyn? I am obsessed with winning elections | :15:10. | :15:26. | |
for the Labour Party. We have lost the last two. With the Conservative | :15:27. | :15:36. | |
Party is divided as I can ever remember it, probably since the | :15:37. | :15:41. | |
final days of Margaret Thatcher in power, we have still been unable to | :15:42. | :15:51. | |
get in front. We have just got to be honest. In this state and we are in, | :15:52. | :15:58. | |
with the team we have got, to be looked like a party which could win | :15:59. | :16:08. | |
the general election? Do we look like we are heading north we are? I | :16:09. | :16:16. | |
think the answer is obvious. -- north we are. What is the situation | :16:17. | :16:30. | |
with the leadership? Jeremy Corbyn is the leader is part of this | :16:31. | :16:36. | |
anti-politics thing. He was very different to previous leaders. New | :16:37. | :16:44. | |
members have come in and they are very fervent supporters of him. I do | :16:45. | :16:50. | |
not know. I do not know if there is a challenge that he might not just | :16:51. | :17:01. | |
win again. But part of this was for them to be honest about whether they | :17:02. | :17:05. | |
could lead and be a good alternative Prime Minister. I cannot see I am | :17:06. | :17:18. | |
any happier about the state of the Labour Party. What happened in | :17:19. | :17:21. | |
Scotland should have been a big warning for us. The Scottish | :17:22. | :17:28. | |
National party pretty much weight I was out. There are no areas in the | :17:29. | :17:34. | |
North of England, traditional Labour heartlands, which have no Gordon. It | :17:35. | :17:42. | |
is difficult. -- they have no Gordon. Who is best placed to take | :17:43. | :17:55. | |
Labour on in the way you think would be advantageous? I do not know. As | :17:56. | :18:02. | |
we have seen today, we live in a democracy. That is why he is the | :18:03. | :18:15. | |
leader. Just as Americans are looking at Donald Trump, people are | :18:16. | :18:24. | |
looking at our politicians and as King similar questions. There is a | :18:25. | :18:35. | |
narrowing of the pool of people who are even willing to go into | :18:36. | :18:42. | |
politics. I think there is a hell of a lot of talent in the Labour Party. | :18:43. | :18:47. | |
We have still got some amazing people there. But I do not think | :18:48. | :18:58. | |
there is anything wrong with being obsessed about winning. I have to | :18:59. | :19:06. | |
worry about where be higher rate no. -- clear we are at the moment. . You | :19:07. | :19:22. | |
are watching our continued coverage of the European Union referendum. 43 | :19:23. | :19:32. | |
years after the original decision for us to go into the European | :19:33. | :19:37. | |
Union, the common market back it as it then. It is a momentous decision | :19:38. | :19:46. | |
that United Kingdom population have taken. | :19:47. | :19:51. | |
A moment of history as the UK votes to leave | :19:52. | :19:53. | |
After more than four decades in the EU, over 17 million | :19:54. | :19:57. | |
David Cameron says he is now no longer the right person | :19:58. | :20:01. | |
I will do everything I can as Prime Minister to steady the ship | :20:02. | :20:05. | |
But I do not think it would be right for me to try to be the captain | :20:06. | :20:11. | |
that steers our country to its next destination. | :20:12. | :20:12. | |
There was jubilation in the Leave camp, but Boris Johnson warned | :20:13. | :20:15. | |
that the vote would not lead to an immediate Brexit. | :20:16. | :20:19. | |
Nothing will change over the short term, except that work will have | :20:20. | :20:22. | |
to begin on how to give effect to the will of the people | :20:23. | :20:26. | |
and to extracate this country from the supranational system. | :20:27. | :20:34. | |
Dramatic falls for both the pound and the markets following the news, | :20:35. | :20:38. | |
but the Bank of England says it is taking "all necessary steps" | :20:39. | :20:41. | |
And the future of the UK is again on the table, | :20:42. | :20:50. | |
as Scotland's First Minister says a second independence referendum | :20:51. | :20:52. | |
is highly likely, after Scots voted overwhelmingly to remain. | :20:53. | :20:56. | |
It is a significant and material change in circumstances and it is, | :20:57. | :20:59. | |
therefore, a statement of the obvious that the option | :21:00. | :21:01. | |
of a second referendum must be on the table. | :21:02. | :21:13. | |
And here in Brussels, a major blow to the European project, | :21:14. | :21:16. | |
as leaders from across the Continent absorb a democratic decision | :21:17. | :21:19. | |
which could have major implications for the future of the EU. | :21:20. | :21:24. | |
But they have a blunt message, you have decided to leave, so get on | :21:25. | :21:28. | |
with it. After more than 40 years, Britain | :21:29. | :21:40. | |
has voted to end its membership The vote was decisive. | :21:41. | :21:45. | |
52% chose to leave the EU. Within hours, David Cameron | :21:46. | :21:51. | |
announced he was standing He said he would stay in Number Ten | :21:52. | :21:56. | |
for the next few months, but that the country | :21:57. | :22:03. | |
required fresh leadership. Boris Johnson, who campaigned | :22:04. | :22:06. | |
for a Leave vote, said the UK now had a "glorious opportunity" | :22:07. | :22:10. | |
to pass its own laws, set its own taxes and find its voice | :22:11. | :22:14. | |
in the world again. We can take a closer look | :22:15. | :22:21. | |
at the final result, which shows that Leave | :22:22. | :22:23. | |
secured its victory by a margin In total, 17.4 million people voted | :22:24. | :22:25. | |
for the UK to leave the EU. That compares with the 16.1 million | :22:26. | :22:32. | |
voters who backed Remain. More than 72% of eligible | :22:33. | :22:35. | |
voters took part. In England, more than 15 million | :22:36. | :22:41. | |
people voted for the UK In Scotland, every voting area came | :22:42. | :22:44. | |
out in favour of Remain. 62% of Scottish voters | :22:45. | :22:53. | |
backed Remain, with 38% In Wales, | :22:54. | :22:55. | |
Leave won over 52% of the vote and secured the most | :22:56. | :23:03. | |
votes in all but five In Northern Ireland, | :23:04. | :23:05. | |
which shares a land border with the European Union, | :23:06. | :23:12. | |
voters backed Remain, with 55% of voters choosing | :23:13. | :23:16. | |
to remain in the EU, with 45% voting to leave it. | :23:17. | :23:22. | |
Those are the big numbers. We will have all the reaction | :23:23. | :23:26. | |
from Westminster, the City and from Europe, but first, | :23:27. | :23:29. | |
our political correspondent Carole Walker reports | :23:30. | :23:31. | |
on dramatic events so far. The people have voted | :23:32. | :23:39. | |
for a new destiny for Britain. This means that the UK has voted | :23:40. | :23:42. | |
to leave the European Union. A decision few predicted | :23:43. | :23:53. | |
at the start of this campaign. A decision which has forced | :23:54. | :23:56. | |
the Prime Minister out of office. There was no hiding the emotion | :23:57. | :23:59. | |
of David Cameron, with his wife Samantha, emerged | :24:00. | :24:01. | |
in Downing Street. The British people have voted | :24:02. | :24:03. | |
to leave the European Union He had fought and lost | :24:04. | :24:05. | |
the battle to persuade the country to stay | :24:06. | :24:09. | |
in the European Union. I fought this campaign | :24:10. | :24:13. | |
in the only way I know how, which is to say directly and | :24:14. | :24:18. | |
passionately what I think and feel, head, heart and soul. | :24:19. | :24:23. | |
I held nothing back. But the British people have made | :24:24. | :24:27. | |
a very clear decision to take a different path and as such I think | :24:28. | :24:31. | |
the country requires fresh leadership to take it | :24:32. | :24:34. | |
in this direction. I will do everything I | :24:35. | :24:39. | |
can as Prime Minister to steady the ship over the coming weeks and | :24:40. | :24:42. | |
months, but I do not think it would be right | :24:43. | :24:46. | |
for me to try to be the captain that steers our country | :24:47. | :24:48. | |
to its next destination. From the moment the results started | :24:49. | :24:53. | |
coming in just after midnight, The total number of votes cast | :24:54. | :24:56. | |
in favour of Leave was 82,000... By the end of the night, | :24:57. | :25:03. | |
Leave had won a clean sweep across the North of England, the Midlands, | :25:04. | :25:09. | |
the East and West of England. London was the only | :25:10. | :25:13. | |
region of England to support remaining | :25:14. | :25:15. | |
a member of the EU. The results in Flintshire reflected | :25:16. | :25:21. | |
the outcome across Wales, But Northern Ireland voted | :25:22. | :25:24. | |
to remain in the EU. Sinn Fein said it intensifies | :25:25. | :25:32. | |
the case for a vote on whether Northern Ireland should | :25:33. | :25:34. | |
leave the United Kingdom. And Scotland, as expected, | :25:35. | :25:37. | |
voted by a clear majority Scotland's First Minister said | :25:38. | :25:40. | |
it was democratically to be taken out of EU | :25:41. | :25:44. | |
against its will. Scotland does now | :25:45. | :25:50. | |
face that prospect. It is a significant and material | :25:51. | :25:53. | |
change in circumstances and it is therefore a statement of the | :25:54. | :25:56. | |
obvious that the option of a second referendum must be on the table, | :25:57. | :26:01. | |
and it is on the table. But at Westminster, jubilate Leave | :26:02. | :26:06. | |
campaigners have been celebrating. Nigel Farage said he was thrilled | :26:07. | :26:15. | |
that the country had decided to break free from what | :26:16. | :26:18. | |
he called a failing, 17 million people have said we must | :26:19. | :26:19. | |
leave the European Union. We now need a Brexit government, | :26:20. | :26:27. | |
a government that gets on with the job, a government that | :26:28. | :26:30. | |
begins the renegotiation of our Boris Johnson struggled | :26:31. | :26:33. | |
through the throng at his home, then paid tribute | :26:34. | :26:38. | |
to the Prime Minister for his bravery in giving | :26:39. | :26:43. | |
the British people per se. I believe we now have a glorious | :26:44. | :26:47. | |
opportunity. We can pass our laws | :26:48. | :26:49. | |
and set our taxes entirely according to the | :26:50. | :26:51. | |
needs of the UK economy. We can control our | :26:52. | :26:54. | |
own borders in a way that is not discriminatory, | :26:55. | :26:56. | |
but fair and balanced, and take the wind out of the sails | :26:57. | :26:58. | |
of the extremists and those who would play | :26:59. | :27:01. | |
politics with immigration. But in the City, shares plunged | :27:02. | :27:11. | |
and the pound fell dramatically, despite all | :27:12. | :27:17. | |
the attempts at reassurance from political leaders and the Bank | :27:18. | :27:19. | |
of England, which promised to take whatever measures were necessary, | :27:20. | :27:21. | |
to support the economy. And there are now questions over | :27:22. | :27:23. | |
the future of the Labour leader, who has been blamed | :27:24. | :27:26. | |
for a lacklustre campaign to remain in the EU, which failed to convince | :27:27. | :27:30. | |
many Labour supporters. Clearly, there are some very | :27:31. | :27:38. | |
difficult days ahead. The value of the pound has already | :27:39. | :27:40. | |
fallen and there will, therefore, be job consequences | :27:41. | :27:43. | |
as a result of this decision. The Prime Minister has resigned, | :27:44. | :27:45. | |
can you give us a reaction? No reaction, but two senior | :27:46. | :27:48. | |
Labour MPs have tabled a motion of no-confidence | :27:49. | :27:50. | |
in Mr Corbyn's leadership. I think Jeremy Corbyn should resign | :27:51. | :27:54. | |
as leader of the Labour Party. This was a test of leadership, | :27:55. | :27:58. | |
the European referendum campaign. He started too late, | :27:59. | :28:03. | |
he was very half-hearted in the leadership he gave | :28:04. | :28:05. | |
to Labour under it. For Britain, for Europe, | :28:06. | :28:10. | |
as the country embarks on a new and uncertain future outside the EU | :28:11. | :28:19. | |
and under a different leader. Carole Walker, BBC News, | :28:20. | :28:22. | |
Westminster. We can talk about the strategy of | :28:23. | :28:39. | |
which will be in place over the next few months. But some fairly raw | :28:40. | :28:49. | |
politics happening. Not just with the Conservatives. With the Labour | :28:50. | :28:57. | |
Party, as well. We are joined by Caroline. What was your sense of the | :28:58. | :29:08. | |
campaign which led to that result. Poor became clear is that there were | :29:09. | :29:15. | |
not enough facts that the Remain campaign could produce on the | :29:16. | :29:18. | |
economy and security, which they could not answer. Oh with the major | :29:19. | :29:25. | |
cities, there are major concerns about immigration. It was a worry I | :29:26. | :29:36. | |
have heard for some time, that many of those I represent a sense that | :29:37. | :29:45. | |
small-town Britain is being left behind, that the establishment are | :29:46. | :29:49. | |
not speaking the language or listening to them. That is what one | :29:50. | :29:57. | |
at the end of the day and that is with great regret. A decisive | :29:58. | :30:02. | |
decision has been made. We have to accept that and do as much as we can | :30:03. | :30:09. | |
to protect living standards and jobs in the future, but there will be | :30:10. | :30:16. | |
difficult decisions ahead. There are bumps and rocky roads which are | :30:17. | :30:22. | |
already affecting our economy. Campaigning in those areas we are | :30:23. | :30:32. | |
the hat traditionally been strong. A few weeks before the campaign, | :30:33. | :30:36. | |
Labour should have been expecting something like 75% for the voting | :30:37. | :30:45. | |
base to vote Remain, but we have come out of this with the news that | :30:46. | :30:51. | |
perhaps only about one half of the Labour vote actually voted for | :30:52. | :30:58. | |
Remain. It suggests that the Labour Party has failed to understand the | :30:59. | :31:06. | |
concerns of the people. The field to address immigration. I also think | :31:07. | :31:11. | |
Jeremy Corbyn is to take some responsibility. He sent out rather | :31:12. | :31:16. | |
mixed messages about the European Union. It was not as positive as I | :31:17. | :31:25. | |
would have liked. His refusal to engage in the questions about | :31:26. | :31:29. | |
immigration, that did not help and was why we ended up feeling so badly | :31:30. | :31:36. | |
last night. We have does that leave his position as leader? A couple of | :31:37. | :31:40. | |
members of Parliament have already said that there should be a | :31:41. | :31:49. | |
challenge to his leadership. I can understand why colleagues are | :31:50. | :31:53. | |
worried. What is happening next will be not only the ramifications of | :31:54. | :32:02. | |
this, but a new Conservative leader and perhaps a general election | :32:03. | :32:09. | |
coming up soon. Are we ready? Could we seriously bridge the gap between | :32:10. | :32:20. | |
those who Remain voted, those who feel the party is great under Jeremy | :32:21. | :32:23. | |
Corbyn and those who have drifted away. My worry is that we cannot | :32:24. | :32:30. | |
bridge that gap. We need to fill the gap in the Labour heartlands. It is | :32:31. | :32:38. | |
about recognising fear of failure. It is about stepping up and | :32:39. | :32:45. | |
explaining that, acknowledging what we have done wrong and moving on. We | :32:46. | :32:50. | |
need to have that discussion on Monday. This will be based on the | :32:51. | :32:58. | |
leadership of Jeremy Corbyn so far, the prospect of getting the sort of | :32:59. | :33:06. | |
genes you think is needed? Some supporters are getting rather angry | :33:07. | :33:09. | |
that I am even talking to you about this at all. They are being very | :33:10. | :33:14. | |
critical on social media. What are the prospects of the sort of change | :33:15. | :33:20. | |
you would like to see? The Labour Party, we exist to win elections to | :33:21. | :33:27. | |
do great things in our communities around the country. We need to | :33:28. | :33:34. | |
bridge the gap between the Metropolitan Labour Party members | :33:35. | :33:37. | |
and those in the communities that are more working-class, weight, but | :33:38. | :33:47. | |
maybe people who have more of the labour attitude, rather than a | :33:48. | :33:53. | |
socialist attitude. When we bridge the gap, we win elections. I know | :33:54. | :33:59. | |
people do not like I was talking about it. But if we cannot talk | :34:00. | :34:06. | |
about it, in this big test will recover gone wrong, when do we | :34:07. | :34:11. | |
actually have that conversation? I do not want others to find that we | :34:12. | :34:16. | |
draw into another election whether it is in six months or four years' | :34:17. | :34:21. | |
time, not realising what the problem is and how we bridge the gap. I | :34:22. | :34:26. | |
think it is about straightforward, honest politics. That is a bit weird | :34:27. | :34:32. | |
we need to go. I would talk those many Labour voters who did not | :34:33. | :34:38. | |
Remain vote last night, if they do not feel Labour are getting out the | :34:39. | :34:48. | |
and acknowledging the feelings, that is part of the problem. We need to | :34:49. | :34:52. | |
get that part of the relationship rate. I am for the Labour Party and | :34:53. | :35:04. | |
not for any individuals. I have this either Jeremy Corbyn was great when | :35:05. | :35:09. | |
he came to my constituency. But at the moment, his leadership does not | :35:10. | :35:13. | |
seem to be reaching out to the labour heartlands. These are the | :35:14. | :35:20. | |
places we need to rely on to win a general election. In effect, you are | :35:21. | :35:32. | |
seeing you need another leader? We had similar problems under the last | :35:33. | :35:39. | |
leadership. I want the Labour leader to step up and realise that we are | :35:40. | :35:46. | |
not connecting. If he has got something to say about how we will | :35:47. | :35:51. | |
put this rate, I am very prepared to listen. Thank you for joining us. We | :35:52. | :36:03. | |
will get a reaction from our political correspondent. E update on | :36:04. | :36:15. | |
the financial markets first. We will take you straight to the board. It | :36:16. | :36:20. | |
is the first hour of trading in New York. You can see the index the is | :36:21. | :36:39. | |
down by 2%. We are already getting indications about what businesses | :36:40. | :36:43. | |
and organisations here are contemplating next. We here in | :36:44. | :36:54. | |
earlier about Morgan Stanley and the plan to relocate 2000 staff in the | :36:55. | :37:04. | |
event of the Leave vote. The EC they will proceed as soon as possible | :37:05. | :37:10. | |
with that. They are not going to wait for the United Kingdom to | :37:11. | :37:23. | |
formally leave the European Union. We are looking at the volatility of | :37:24. | :37:28. | |
the market. What does it mean for the United Kingdom 's place in the | :37:29. | :37:33. | |
financial world? What are the implications? This is where the | :37:34. | :37:41. | |
negotiations in the next trade agreement will become so important. | :37:42. | :37:51. | |
We have an arrangement at the moment we're Rican passport goods into | :37:52. | :37:56. | |
Europe. In two years' time, that will come to an end and we need to | :37:57. | :38:04. | |
replace it with something else. If there are any major differences and | :38:05. | :38:07. | |
that, it could have an impact on jobs here. Many people could just be | :38:08. | :38:15. | |
looking at these numbers thinking, this does not affect me. When you | :38:16. | :38:21. | |
painted in these terms, it really affect people. Absolutely. All these | :38:22. | :38:31. | |
investments are tying up the likes of peoples and pensions. It may mean | :38:32. | :38:40. | |
people will either to save more or have less of a pension. The | :38:41. | :38:45. | |
volatility will play out at some point. Hopefully, we are hoping that | :38:46. | :38:58. | |
the market will have recovered soon. The London market, also just owned | :38:59. | :39:09. | |
by over 2.5%. -- down. We will see how things play out. There is a | :39:10. | :39:13. | |
feeling that many investors are sitting on the sidelines, waiting to | :39:14. | :39:16. | |
see really what happens before deciding. Our chief political | :39:17. | :39:27. | |
correspondent is with me. This has been a momentous day, with the Prime | :39:28. | :39:32. | |
Minister announcing his resignation. There is a lot of tension in the | :39:33. | :39:36. | |
Labour Party as well. We have just heard that expression of grave | :39:37. | :39:45. | |
doubts about the possibility of Jeremy Corbyn winning an election. | :39:46. | :39:50. | |
How significant was that? Very significant. The departure of David | :39:51. | :39:56. | |
Cameron and the promotion of a new Conservative to Prime Minister, here | :39:57. | :40:01. | |
is an opportunity for the Labour Party. But in many of the heartland | :40:02. | :40:09. | |
alias for them, they have had problems, with the likes of Ukip | :40:10. | :40:17. | |
taking a large percentage of the vote. We have heard that there was a | :40:18. | :40:27. | |
Shadow Cabinet meeting today, with the Labour Party looking at weird | :40:28. | :40:35. | |
legal form. We know have this motion of no-confidence. It could lead to a | :40:36. | :40:42. | |
secret ballot on Tuesday. Then we will see if there was any people | :40:43. | :40:46. | |
willing to come forward unchallenged. They feel this was a | :40:47. | :40:51. | |
challenge -- a chance for him to show his leadership qualities and | :40:52. | :40:55. | |
the believe that the field to do that. The Conservative leadership | :40:56. | :41:02. | |
campaign will shape up shortly as well. They say they want to be | :41:03. | :41:13. | |
decided before they meet for the annual party conference. Things will | :41:14. | :41:19. | |
begin to start fairly quickly the. But this has been a huge exercise. | :41:20. | :41:28. | |
People have voted in the millions. This has huge implications. But no | :41:29. | :41:36. | |
the new leader will be chosen firstly by the Conservative MPs, who | :41:37. | :41:40. | |
will nominate two selections and then the Conservative Party | :41:41. | :41:50. | |
membership will choose the leader. But clearly, Boris Johnson, he was | :41:51. | :41:59. | |
very solemn today when he was talking, clearly wanting to appeal | :42:00. | :42:08. | |
to all areas of the electorate. Coverage of the referendum will | :42:09. | :42:09. | |
continue on the BBC News Channel. And at seven o'clock tonight, the is | :42:10. | :42:31. | |
a special programme tonight. It is a day of momentous events. We leave | :42:32. | :42:35. | |
you with a reminder of what has happened. At 20 minutes to five, we | :42:36. | :42:48. | |
can now see that the decision taken in 1975 to join the Common market | :42:49. | :42:53. | |
has been reversed by this referendum. We have decided to leave | :42:54. | :43:03. | |
the European union. It is a victory for ordinary decent people. It is | :43:04. | :43:11. | |
against big politics. I hope everyone is encouraged, in the face | :43:12. | :43:18. | |
of everything they were told, the timed out and did the right thing. | :43:19. | :43:24. | |
There will be an adjustment following this result. We will not | :43:25. | :43:30. | |
hesitate to take any additional measures which are required. I will | :43:31. | :43:39. | |
do everything I can to steady the ship over the coming weeks and | :43:40. | :43:43. | |
months, but I do not think it would be great for me to be the captain | :43:44. | :43:49. | |
that Steelers this country to its next destination. I am proud of | :43:50. | :43:55. | |
Scotland and how we voted yesterday. We are a modern, outgoing and | :43:56. | :44:00. | |
inclusive country. We said clearly that we did not want to leave the | :44:01. | :44:05. | |
European Union. I believe the British people have spoken up. They | :44:06. | :44:13. | |
have spoken up in Britain and across Europe. I am very proud of the | :44:14. | :44:15. | |
result. You're watching a special EU | :44:16. | :44:40. | |
referendum programme Now over to the BBC Newsroom | :44:41. | :44:45. | |
for a summary of all the latest news After more than 40 years, | :44:46. | :44:49. | |
the UK is to end its membership The decision has been decisive | :44:50. | :44:54. | |
with the Leave campaign securing its victory by a margin | :44:55. | :44:58. | |
of more than one million votes. The Prime Minister David Cameron has | :44:59. | :45:02. | |
said he will step down and a new Prime Minister would be | :45:03. | :45:04. | |
in place within months. In total, 17.4 million people voted | :45:05. | :45:09. | |
for the UK to leave the EU. That compares with the 16.1 million | :45:10. | :45:14. | |
voters who backed remain. Turnout was 72%, the highest level | :45:15. | :45:18. | |
in a nationwide ballot As the UK woke up to the news | :45:19. | :45:20. | |
it is to exit the European Union, Ukip's leader Nigel Farage led those | :45:21. | :45:30. | |
in Westminster saying June 23rd should now be regarded | :45:31. | :45:35. | |
as Britain's independence day. Those from the Remain camp described | :45:36. | :45:41. | |
the result as a catastrophe. Supporters of Remain consoled each | :45:42. | :45:45. | |
other as the campaign received lower than expected support across swathes | :45:46. | :45:49. | |
of England including Speaking outside Downing Street, | :45:50. | :45:51. | |
David Cameron said that he will resign as Prime Minister with | :45:52. | :45:57. | |
a new leader appointed by October. I think the country requires | :45:58. | :46:03. | |
fresh leadership to take I will do everything I can | :46:04. | :46:05. | |
as Prime Minister to steady the ship But I do not think it would be right | :46:06. | :46:12. | |
for me to try to be the captain that steers our country | :46:13. | :46:20. | |
to its next destination. This is not a decision | :46:21. | :46:23. | |
I have taken lightly. But I do believe it's | :46:24. | :46:26. | |
in the national interest to have a period of stability and then | :46:27. | :46:32. | |
the new leadership required. There is no need for | :46:33. | :46:35. | |
a precise timetable today. But, in my view, we should aim | :46:36. | :46:37. | |
to have a new Prime Minister in place by the start | :46:38. | :46:40. | |
of the Conservative Party One of the politicians who led | :46:41. | :46:42. | |
the campaign to Leave, the former Mayor of London, | :46:43. | :46:47. | |
Boris Johnson paid tribute to David Cameron as "one of the most | :46:48. | :46:50. | |
extraordinary politicians Mr Johnson also said that | :46:51. | :46:52. | |
in the future Britain would benefit I believe we now have a glorious | :46:53. | :46:57. | |
opportunity, we can pass our laws, and set our taxes entirely according | :46:58. | :47:05. | |
to the needs of the UK economy. We can control our own borders | :47:06. | :47:11. | |
in a way that is not discriminatory but fair and balanced and take | :47:12. | :47:15. | |
the wind out of the sails of the extremists and those | :47:16. | :47:20. | |
who would play politics More than 62% of people in Scotland | :47:21. | :47:22. | |
voted to stay in the EU. The First Minister of Scotland, | :47:23. | :47:31. | |
Nicola Sturgeon, says that meant the option of a second | :47:32. | :47:33. | |
referendum was on the table. When the Article 50 process | :47:34. | :47:39. | |
is triggered in three months' time, the UK will be on a two-year path | :47:40. | :47:44. | |
to the EU exit door. If Parliament judges a second | :47:45. | :47:49. | |
referendum is the best or only way to protect our place in Europe, | :47:50. | :47:53. | |
it must have the option to hold one That means we must act now | :47:54. | :47:56. | |
to protect that position. I can therefore confirm today that | :47:57. | :48:08. | |
in order to protect that position, we will begin to prepare | :48:09. | :48:10. | |
the legislation that is required to enable a new independence | :48:11. | :48:13. | |
referendum to take place The political ramifications | :48:14. | :48:15. | |
have extended to the Two of its MPs have | :48:16. | :48:21. | |
submitted a motion of no Jeremy Corbyn is criticised | :48:22. | :48:25. | |
for his handling of his handling of the referendum campaign | :48:26. | :48:29. | |
by Margaret Hodge and Ann Coffey. They've written to the Chairman | :48:30. | :48:33. | |
of the Parliamentary Labour Party. Their motion has no formal force, | :48:34. | :48:37. | |
but it calls for a discussion at If accepted, it would be | :48:38. | :48:40. | |
followed by a secret ballot It comes as Jeremy Corbyn pulled out | :48:41. | :48:46. | |
of a planned appearance Let's go back to few in Westminster | :48:47. | :49:10. | |
for the latest developments. Joanna, thanks very much and we will see | :49:11. | :49:14. | |
later on. Lots for us to discuss over the next hour or so. Not least | :49:15. | :49:20. | |
the fact of course the size of this decision, the scale of the extent of | :49:21. | :49:23. | |
the decision is still something people are trying to take on board | :49:24. | :49:27. | |
and grapple with the various elements of it. But that grappling | :49:28. | :49:31. | |
is not just limited to the UK and there's lots of grappling going on, | :49:32. | :49:34. | |
too, in the rest of the European Union. In Brussels notably whether | :49:35. | :49:39. | |
European Commission is based, where they are trying to think through the | :49:40. | :49:43. | |
next stages of what could be a lengthy and turbulence process where | :49:44. | :49:48. | |
the UK tries to untangle itself in so many ways from its 40-year-old | :49:49. | :49:52. | |
relationship with the European Union. Let's join Matthew in | :49:53. | :50:00. | |
Brussels. You're absolutely right, those are the issues that grappling | :50:01. | :50:04. | |
with here. They are shell-shocked in Brussels. It's been described as a | :50:05. | :50:09. | |
catastrophe, unthinkable that the unthinkable has happened so let's | :50:10. | :50:12. | |
get reaction from two MEPs who are here. Rebecca, German MEP and Laura, | :50:13. | :50:23. | |
an Italian MEP. To both of you, your thoughts on this momentous day? For | :50:24. | :50:33. | |
me, it's a very sad day. I think it's a wrong decision but I can't | :50:34. | :50:38. | |
change it. I have to accept it. And for the European Union, for the rest | :50:39. | :50:44. | |
of the 27 member states, we might have to learn some lessons from | :50:45. | :50:49. | |
this. I will come back to that in a moment but your snapshot thought? | :50:50. | :50:54. | |
Absolutely, we have two important results from this referendum. The | :50:55. | :50:59. | |
first is, for the first time, the possibility to show their position | :51:00. | :51:06. | |
about the EU, and second, we absolutely have to change. This kind | :51:07. | :51:10. | |
of Europe has to change because without any change, its destiny is | :51:11. | :51:18. | |
to die very quickly. It's not just Britain but a fundamental disconnect | :51:19. | :51:23. | |
between ordinary people and the bureaucrats in the buildings behind | :51:24. | :51:27. | |
you. Exactly, a lot of citizens coming from many member states who | :51:28. | :51:31. | |
absolutely don't appreciate the European policies. A lot of citizens | :51:32. | :51:36. | |
are not happy with this Europe, where there is no union, and | :51:37. | :51:42. | |
Jean-Claude Juncker already said we need more union, we need to be | :51:43. | :51:46. | |
closer to citizens and protect them. We need to change very quickly. In | :51:47. | :51:53. | |
terms of what happens now, there are two schools of thought in these | :51:54. | :51:58. | |
corridors in these buildings because one school of thought that once | :51:59. | :52:03. | |
basically negotiations to get going straightaway, others who are saying, | :52:04. | :52:06. | |
hang on, we don't need to do anything hastily. I was surprised | :52:07. | :52:11. | |
that mainly people like Boris Johnson in the UK now want to have a | :52:12. | :52:20. | |
slow motion process for the Leave. I was very surprised, and may be like | :52:21. | :52:25. | |
Nigel Farage rediscovers they promised a lot of money and they | :52:26. | :52:31. | |
don't know where to take it from, always in the media, we all learn | :52:32. | :52:35. | |
together that in the campaign, it's all talk. You sound angry. I'm not | :52:36. | :52:47. | |
only angry against these populist anti-European moods, I'm also | :52:48. | :52:51. | |
disappointed on myself and people like me who obviously, in the UK, | :52:52. | :52:57. | |
could not frame the campaign for the European Union and theirs is a task | :52:58. | :53:05. | |
I see ahead because I think the European Union is a great | :53:06. | :53:09. | |
achievement. I agree we need change but it is the best achievement on | :53:10. | :53:15. | |
this continent ever. Before we came on you were telling me you thought | :53:16. | :53:19. | |
David Cameron had a moral obligation to come here and start those | :53:20. | :53:23. | |
negotiations now. Explain why you think a moral obligation to do that. | :53:24. | :53:31. | |
I think now, on both sides, we must make sure that we have a proper | :53:32. | :53:35. | |
process. The EU is not really in favour of a a kind of punishment | :53:36. | :53:44. | |
process against the British zones, but I want a proper process and it | :53:45. | :53:51. | |
should start now and not be a burden for the whole of the EU -- British | :53:52. | :53:56. | |
citizens. Mr Cameron is today one of the victims of the vote. But he is | :53:57. | :54:03. | |
the victim of the ghosts he has called, he got a lot of support by | :54:04. | :54:07. | |
the European leaders before he opened the campaign, and now he has | :54:08. | :54:11. | |
also to show a bit of respect to the European leaders. Laura, briefly and | :54:12. | :54:16. | |
finally, immigration played a central role in this campaign. In | :54:17. | :54:24. | |
terms of the negotiations ahead, can the EU accept any sort of | :54:25. | :54:27. | |
restrictions on the freedom of movement? The UK had already, before | :54:28. | :54:35. | |
this referendum, had a special position because they shared | :54:36. | :54:47. | |
immigration policies, opt in or opt out. With the agreement, between | :54:48. | :54:53. | |
Cameron and European Union, there were also benefits for European | :54:54. | :55:07. | |
migrants. I don't know if the UK can get more than this kind of | :55:08. | :55:15. | |
agreement. Jean-Claude Juncker set out it out and all that we can | :55:16. | :55:24. | |
get... Laura, thank you very much. Of course, those are the issues. | :55:25. | :55:31. | |
There's so much to actually no one knows who can do the timeline. Those | :55:32. | :55:37. | |
are the issues. 20 more reaction coming up in a little while. Back to | :55:38. | :55:40. | |
you. Thank you. The question here is how will the result change the rest | :55:41. | :55:44. | |
of the legal relationship? Clive Coleman has been looking at this in | :55:45. | :55:48. | |
great detail. We discussed earlier this business about Article 50, the | :55:49. | :55:54. | |
kind of main method of getting out, according to the Lisbon Treaty but | :55:55. | :55:57. | |
there is another view which is it a go back to 1972, and the legislation | :55:58. | :56:02. | |
passed by Edward Heath, if you get read about, everything else falls | :56:03. | :56:06. | |
into place. Some people subscribed to that. One reason why that is | :56:07. | :56:12. | |
valid, Parliament is sovereign. There was a lot of talk in a | :56:13. | :56:16. | |
referendum about how Parliamentary sovereignty had been eroded. We | :56:17. | :56:23. | |
conceded some sovereignty in 1972 but retained Parliamentary | :56:24. | :56:25. | |
sovereignty because Parliament has the right to create any law and can | :56:26. | :56:29. | |
repeal any law so it could repeal the 1972 act. The problem with that | :56:30. | :56:34. | |
as that would be to rip up our obligations under the Lisbon Treaty. | :56:35. | :56:39. | |
It would be adding insult to injury to say to the EU, we are leaving and | :56:40. | :56:43. | |
by the way, we're going to ignore the mechanism we signed up to which | :56:44. | :56:47. | |
sets out a way in which we can leave the EU. Although that is possible, I | :56:48. | :56:53. | |
think it's unlikely. There was a question sent to me on social media | :56:54. | :56:59. | |
saying, after your last chat, Clive was saying, you have a two-year | :57:00. | :57:03. | |
window and this Article 50 to sort out a basic framework for leaving, | :57:04. | :57:08. | |
it is he saying that it could then take many years to sort out lots of | :57:09. | :57:13. | |
other details? Actually, is it two years, ten years? What I'm saying is | :57:14. | :57:20. | |
the clock starts ticking when the Prime Minister gives notification | :57:21. | :57:26. | |
that the EU, the UK is intending to leave the EU and any other two-year | :57:27. | :57:30. | |
window to do the basic divorce deal. If, within that time, you can do the | :57:31. | :57:34. | |
trade deal, the movement of people deal, everyone would be delighted | :57:35. | :57:38. | |
but let's bear in mind trade deals in the past have taken decades to | :57:39. | :57:43. | |
complete so the idea that will be done within the two-year window I | :57:44. | :57:46. | |
suspect is very, very optimistic indeed. I think that the chances of | :57:47. | :57:52. | |
that are very slim. I would love to be wrong about that because I think | :57:53. | :57:56. | |
it's another body 's interest is all about is rolled into one package, | :57:57. | :58:00. | |
and sorted out at the same time that the chances are relatively slim, I | :58:01. | :58:06. | |
think. A final point. To what extent will depend not just on the keenness | :58:07. | :58:10. | |
here to get a deal but on goodwill as well, given these circumstances, | :58:11. | :58:17. | |
from the other member states? It could take the view that it really | :58:18. | :58:22. | |
wants to make an example of the UK to ensure that there is not another | :58:23. | :58:27. | |
referendum in another member state to keep the EU together and do a | :58:28. | :58:32. | |
very tough deal. On the other hand, could take the view the world is in | :58:33. | :58:36. | |
a mess, the EU is in a bit of a mess, and let Binder the UK is | :58:37. | :58:40. | |
closely to the EU as we can bearing in mind it's left. That and let | :58:41. | :58:43. | |
Binder the UK. -- let's thank you. So political reaction | :58:44. | :59:02. | |
continuing to come through. We were talking to Caroline Flint about | :59:03. | :59:07. | |
Labour's own response to this but of course there has been lots of | :59:08. | :59:11. | |
reaction within the Conservative Party and elsewhere, notably in | :59:12. | :59:16. | |
Scotland, on the issue of a possible second referendum on independence, | :59:17. | :59:16. | |
so let's have more reaction. Let's go to College Green | :59:17. | :59:20. | |
at reaction. Left but the Labour Party | :59:21. | :59:28. | |
specifically because it had some development on that. Ian Watson has | :59:29. | :59:33. | |
joined me. We've been talking about the no-confidence motion in Jeremy | :59:34. | :59:39. | |
Corbyn. What's the latest? We could have a Labour leadership contest by | :59:40. | :59:42. | |
next Wednesday. There are some caveats but certainly from the point | :59:43. | :59:45. | |
of view of those who believe the party can't win and Jeremy Corbyn, | :59:46. | :59:50. | |
this is the plan for the we've had the letter, the letter, the motion | :59:51. | :59:57. | |
of no-confidence. I'm told it's likely to go to a secret ballot of | :59:58. | :00:00. | |
MPs on Tuesday. They would then vote on whether they have confidence in | :00:01. | :00:05. | |
Jeremy Corbyn. That would only be in advisory vote. Some MPs are saying a | :00:06. | :00:10. | |
majority will go for it and some expected to be overwhelming and if | :00:11. | :00:12. | |
that's the case, a number of options. They would hope Jeremy | :00:13. | :00:17. | |
Corbyn would simply resign. If he doesn't, and a range of weapons are | :00:18. | :00:21. | |
being assembled to try to force him out. One weapon would be on the | :00:22. | :00:24. | |
Wednesday, if he has not gone, someone else, would then declare | :00:25. | :00:30. | |
themselves, possibly Margaret Hodge herself. They would then unlock the | :00:31. | :00:37. | |
contest and charge head-on and other people reluctant to stand on the | :00:38. | :00:40. | |
sidelines, who could be serious candidates, could then join the fray | :00:41. | :00:44. | |
and tried to oust the Jeremy Corbyn. Another scenario is, this is going | :00:45. | :00:51. | |
to be bloody, brutal, but what we need to do is put some backbone into | :00:52. | :00:56. | |
the Shadow Cabinet members. For example, if you were to ignore a | :00:57. | :01:00. | |
motion of no confidence, then you could season shadow cabinets | :01:01. | :01:04. | |
resignations to force his hand. The other scenario is he does a John | :01:05. | :01:10. | |
Major, puts up and shut up and cause a leadership contest himself but | :01:11. | :01:14. | |
whichever way you look at it, we expect some movement by Wednesday | :01:15. | :01:17. | |
next week. Aside from the stalking horse candidate, are you getting the | :01:18. | :01:24. | |
sense there is genuine people who think, given what the nation is | :01:25. | :01:28. | |
woken up to today, this is absolutely time to oust him and | :01:29. | :01:32. | |
there will be a serious challenge? What names are people talking about? | :01:33. | :01:38. | |
At this stage, we should do the caveats quickly. First is that | :01:39. | :01:42. | |
there's still some doubt as to whether it's the right time to | :01:43. | :01:46. | |
challenge, amongst a series people in the Shadow Cabinet who are not | :01:47. | :01:49. | |
Jeremy Corbyn supporters. They think, if he wins again, there was a | :01:50. | :01:56. | |
time in which the focus could be on the Conservative Party and their | :01:57. | :01:59. | |
difficulties. Labour whips itself apart and they still end up with | :02:00. | :02:03. | |
Jeremy Corbyn. Another senior figure in the Shadow Cabinet said to me if | :02:04. | :02:07. | |
there's an election, and we lose, we may as losing the Jeremy Corbyn so | :02:08. | :02:11. | |
there may not necessarily join with the and resign as anticipated. They | :02:12. | :02:16. | |
could decide this is not quite the right time but there will be is in | :02:17. | :02:19. | |
serious discussions and the general consensus seems to be that only | :02:20. | :02:24. | |
people on the soft left the Labour Party, not the old Blairites, could | :02:25. | :02:27. | |
stand a chance against him or someone in his mould, people like | :02:28. | :02:32. | |
Angela Neagle, Hilary Benn, and if you could be persuaded, although he | :02:33. | :02:37. | |
is the least persuadable, the Deputy Leader Tom Watson who had a mandate | :02:38. | :02:40. | |
of his own, democratically elected at the same time as Jeremy Corbyn. | :02:41. | :02:47. | |
Ian, for now, thank you very much. We will keep an eye on that and we | :02:48. | :02:53. | |
will have much more from here on the green all afternoon. I have never | :02:54. | :02:56. | |
seen it so busy, so plenty more to come from here. Whew. Jane, indeed, | :02:57. | :03:05. | |
it is extremely busy. That reflects the fact that there is intense | :03:06. | :03:09. | |
interest not just in the UK but worldwide. When I passed there | :03:10. | :03:12. | |
earlier, there were journalists from all over the world following the | :03:13. | :03:16. | |
story today. It's dominating headlines across the world because | :03:17. | :03:19. | |
the decision taken by British voters overnight of course is a position of | :03:20. | :03:24. | |
seismic important in the UK but it would be mad to pretend it is not | :03:25. | :03:27. | |
have a big impact as well in other parts of Europe and the EU itself | :03:28. | :03:33. | |
and indeed in other parts of the world. A lot of interest in what's | :03:34. | :03:36. | |
going on. Because of the importance of the decision taken. The intensity | :03:37. | :03:42. | |
of the scrutiny of course is a cute in Scotland where Nicola Sturgeon | :03:43. | :03:47. | |
the First Minister gave a statement earlier saying that possible second | :03:48. | :03:51. | |
referendum on independence is very much back on the table given that | :03:52. | :03:57. | |
the Scots voted decisively last night to stay in the European Union. | :03:58. | :04:03. | |
It was a big Remain vote in Scotland so let's join Gavin in Edinburgh. | :04:04. | :04:08. | |
Everybody agrees that this has been a game changer. The problem is you | :04:09. | :04:12. | |
just been hearing in the Labour Party, we know what's going on in | :04:13. | :04:16. | |
the Conservative Party and the European politics, too, but no one | :04:17. | :04:19. | |
is quite clear what game is being changed, the game is all up for | :04:20. | :04:22. | |
grabs in so many ways and I'm joined for his thought by will he Rennie, | :04:23. | :04:26. | |
the leader of the Lib Dems in Scotland. What you think will happen | :04:27. | :04:31. | |
in the next few days but Italy and Scotland? This is a traumatic | :04:32. | :04:36. | |
decision. We all agree on that. It's made a significant changed the way | :04:37. | :04:43. | |
the of politics works. Business, trade, jobs, security, environment, | :04:44. | :04:49. | |
all these issues have been affected so I'm so gutted and frustrated by | :04:50. | :04:52. | |
what happened. What we need to do now with the period of stability. | :04:53. | :04:57. | |
And safety, so we can consider not having to rush into big decisions, | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
we need a period of consideration, so we can track for the future in a | :05:03. | :05:07. | |
safe and secure way because, just now, everything is up in the air. As | :05:08. | :05:11. | |
the First Minister Nicola Sturgeon prodded, Scotland is being ejected | :05:12. | :05:16. | |
from the European Union against its will, and she says there are a | :05:17. | :05:21. | |
number of people who voted no in an independence referendum last time | :05:22. | :05:24. | |
who would vote yes if the independence referendum were to be | :05:25. | :05:28. | |
held now. Is she right? That's exactly the kind of thing I'm | :05:29. | :05:32. | |
worried about full top she's rushing headlong towards another | :05:33. | :05:34. | |
constitutional debate. What we need just now is a period of | :05:35. | :05:40. | |
consideration. To look at how we can rebuild the relationship with our | :05:41. | :05:45. | |
neighbours in the EU, so we can maintain those treaties, those | :05:46. | :05:50. | |
opportunities for growth. For science and universities, the | :05:51. | :05:52. | |
environment, all these things, incredibly important. Let's not rush | :05:53. | :05:56. | |
into all these constitutional debates which could mount more chaos | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
on to the already chaos we already have. But people who voted for you | :06:02. | :06:05. | |
in the past, voted for you because you are a strong pro-European. If | :06:06. | :06:11. | |
the choice now is to perhaps stay in Europe, however it refashioned over | :06:12. | :06:14. | |
the next couple of years, or stay in the UK, what would you do? I reject | :06:15. | :06:20. | |
that pessimistic outlook. I think we can rebuild the relationship. If you | :06:21. | :06:25. | |
look at London, Scotland, various other parts of the UK, it was only a | :06:26. | :06:29. | |
small margin. In favour of leaving the EU. There's clearly a mandate | :06:30. | :06:36. | |
for. Of course, but what we need to do was fully understand what has | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
been expressed because the calamitous effects have already been | :06:41. | :06:45. | |
felt. Look at the impact on the banks, on the stock market, on the | :06:46. | :06:49. | |
currency, these are dramatic impact and it's only just the beginning. We | :06:50. | :06:53. | |
need to fully understand that before we rush to any other changes. We are | :06:54. | :06:59. | |
seeing for example the decapitation of a Conservative Party, we the | :07:00. | :07:01. | |
Prime Minister will leave his job and a couple of months. We may be | :07:02. | :07:05. | |
seeing similar problems within a few days within the Labour Party. Do you | :07:06. | :07:11. | |
blame either David Cameron or Jeremy Corbyn for what's happened? I will | :07:12. | :07:17. | |
never forget either of them for the the insipid support for the European | :07:18. | :07:21. | |
Union by Jeremy Corbyn, and that was dreadful, his inability to explain | :07:22. | :07:25. | |
with any passion about the benefits of the European Union and there are | :07:26. | :07:27. | |
clear benefits even if he doesn't like every single part of it, he was | :07:28. | :07:32. | |
unable to do that. That was terrible. Secondly, David Cameron, a | :07:33. | :07:36. | |
divided party, he put his party first before the country, now | :07:37. | :07:41. | |
risking the economy, and the United Kingdom? That is a terrible record | :07:42. | :07:45. | |
for the Conservative Party that claims to be strong defenders of | :07:46. | :07:49. | |
both. I think both parties should be ashamed of what has happened and | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
they need to reflect on the behaviour in the last few weeks. As | :07:55. | :07:58. | |
a pro-European, I am gutted by what's happened and I will do | :07:59. | :08:00. | |
everything I possibly can to make sure we can mitigate the effects of | :08:01. | :08:05. | |
this decision but they are severe and we need to take time to fully | :08:06. | :08:08. | |
contemplate exactly what has happened. Thank you. In terms of | :08:09. | :08:14. | |
time, what we do know is that the Scottish Cabinet will meet here in | :08:15. | :08:17. | |
Edinburgh tomorrow. We expect a statement from Nicola Sturgeon after | :08:18. | :08:20. | |
that and we expect a further statement on Tuesday to the full | :08:21. | :08:24. | |
Holyrood parliament full top where we go from there, frankly is | :08:25. | :08:30. | |
anyone's guess. Back to you. Indeed, Gavin. Thank you. We will have some | :08:31. | :08:38. | |
reaction from Wales and a second but let's have a look and what's going | :08:39. | :08:41. | |
on in Washington right now. There is an event under the auspices of the | :08:42. | :08:49. | |
International Monetary Fund. At least Christine Lagarde, the head of | :08:50. | :08:52. | |
the International Monetary Fund, is taking part in this event. It is the | :08:53. | :09:00. | |
central banking lecture. It's one of those annual event in Washington, | :09:01. | :09:05. | |
but as soon she turns up, we are expecting her to say something about | :09:06. | :09:12. | |
the outcome of this UK referendum. She has apparently repaired | :09:13. | :09:15. | |
something to say and that of course will be of prime importance and | :09:16. | :09:18. | |
interest to us because we've already had the statement from Mark Carney | :09:19. | :09:23. | |
from the Bank of England trying to settle a market earlier today, | :09:24. | :09:28. | |
telling us the provisional plans are in place, contingency plans, are | :09:29. | :09:32. | |
comprehensive and solid. And he went through some of those and mentioned | :09:33. | :09:38. | |
some of the extra liquidity available for the market and for the | :09:39. | :09:44. | |
financial institutions. Let's compare that with what Christine | :09:45. | :09:47. | |
Lagarde seven a few moments. As soon as she turns up, we'll be back for | :09:48. | :09:53. | |
that. A quick word with my colleague Thomas in Cardiff. It Christine | :09:54. | :09:59. | |
Lagarde turns up, forgive me, I will cut away to see what you said but a | :10:00. | :10:05. | |
sense from you at this point, of the appeal Carwyn Jones made earlier | :10:06. | :10:10. | |
today about a luck again after the funding formalin for Wales, the | :10:11. | :10:14. | |
Barnett Formula, he clearly wanted to be revisited in these | :10:15. | :10:16. | |
circumstances. The problem I suppose is the Barnett Formula as currently | :10:17. | :10:22. | |
constituted is not one the Scots for example want to see tampered with in | :10:23. | :10:25. | |
anyway so how does he get around that? He will continue those | :10:26. | :10:28. | |
discussions on Monday when he speaks to ministers and assembly members in | :10:29. | :10:33. | |
Cardiff. It will be a big issue for Wales because Wales benefits greatly | :10:34. | :10:39. | |
from EU funding. We've had about ?4 billion since 2000 because there are | :10:40. | :10:45. | |
areas in Wales some of the poorest in the EU, and ironically, some of | :10:46. | :10:49. | |
those areas are the ones which voted to leave the referendum. Merthyr | :10:50. | :10:58. | |
Tydfil, etc, traditional Labour heartlands and labour, Plaid Cymru | :10:59. | :11:01. | |
and Lib Dems in Wales all voted and tried to keep with the Remain camper | :11:02. | :11:07. | |
but it obviously failed in Wales. Some have criticised the Remain posh | :11:08. | :11:13. | |
in Wales, similar to the criticism against Jeremy Corbyn in London, | :11:14. | :11:18. | |
saying they should have acted stronger to persuade people in Wales | :11:19. | :11:23. | |
to remain in the EU, because we benefit so much from EU funding. Of | :11:24. | :11:27. | |
course, maybe some will say actually, after the assembly | :11:28. | :11:32. | |
elections, back in May, seven Ukip members were voted in, maybe it | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
showed some consciousness of what the people were thinking in terms of | :11:38. | :11:40. | |
the EU referendum which came up over the last few days so really, Carwyn | :11:41. | :11:45. | |
Jones will have a fight on his hands to renegotiate that Barnett Formula | :11:46. | :11:48. | |
because the rest of the UK obviously won't want the same thing to happen | :11:49. | :11:54. | |
to them. Thanks for the update in Cardiff Bay. Mentioning some strong | :11:55. | :11:59. | |
pockets of Ukip support in the assembly elections in Wales just a | :12:00. | :12:04. | |
few months ago. Of course, we saw them the kind of echo of that if you | :12:05. | :12:10. | |
like in very strong Leave votes in some of those South Wales | :12:11. | :12:13. | |
constituencies traditionally big Labour strongholds. Caerphilly and | :12:14. | :12:21. | |
Ebbw Vale. So now, the pattern very much replicated in this referendum. | :12:22. | :12:27. | |
Let's talk about those strong pockets of Leave support and go to | :12:28. | :12:33. | |
our pocket in England which is Wisbech in Cambridge. More than 70% | :12:34. | :12:40. | |
voted for the leave campaign. Robert Hall is there with the latest for | :12:41. | :12:47. | |
us. Yes, this was once a prosperous river port, and many here argue its | :12:48. | :12:50. | |
character has been changed particularly in recent years. | :12:51. | :12:56. | |
Something like 20%, 30% of the population here is now from Eastern | :12:57. | :13:00. | |
Europe. If you walk to the market, as I did this money, you will hear | :13:01. | :13:03. | |
Polish and Lithuanian and Latvian being spoken for the a lot of people | :13:04. | :13:08. | |
have been here a long time and said businesses. Other others I hear | :13:09. | :13:14. | |
part-time workers, agricultural work or in the food processing factories | :13:15. | :13:18. | |
but they are a strong presence. There is no doubt, talking to | :13:19. | :13:22. | |
people, the level of migration, the speed at which the population has | :13:23. | :13:25. | |
increased and the numbers of Eastern European is particularly coming in | :13:26. | :13:29. | |
have unsettled people and that has led them to go for the Leave | :13:30. | :13:34. | |
Campaign, the Brexit about. There were a lot of smiles here but it's a | :13:35. | :13:39. | |
divided time, in many ways, and integration has been difficult | :13:40. | :13:42. | |
because of the way the population has increased and the numbers | :13:43. | :13:46. | |
involved. Some people said those numbers have helped to boost the | :13:47. | :13:51. | |
local economy and others Saint no, we can't cope, the schools, health | :13:52. | :13:56. | |
service jobs, it's very difficult. I'm being joined by a gentleman | :13:57. | :13:59. | |
whose name I don't even know because he's come to join me. Colin, you | :14:00. | :14:07. | |
were a Leave voter? And talk about the way the population has increased | :14:08. | :14:11. | |
way it played here. That's the nub of things, isn't it? It certainly is | :14:12. | :14:17. | |
in Wisbech and internationally, I think, as well. To me, it's about | :14:18. | :14:21. | |
numbers, sheer numbers and facilities can't cope, locally. They | :14:22. | :14:27. | |
are here to work the majority are hard-working, paying tax, but | :14:28. | :14:31. | |
nationally, I think we have a problem for the I don't think our | :14:32. | :14:36. | |
services can cope. It's all about control, for me. You woke up this | :14:37. | :14:39. | |
morning and saw that result and I guess it brought a smile to your | :14:40. | :14:43. | |
face. I was surprised, to be honest. Are you concerned about the | :14:44. | :14:49. | |
consequences? I have to go. We have a press conference starting. Thank | :14:50. | :14:54. | |
you. Straight Washington, DC and Christine Lagarde. | :14:55. | :15:02. | |
The British people have spoken earlier decision has be respected. | :15:03. | :15:14. | |
There will be a change in the relationship between the United | :15:15. | :15:22. | |
Kingdom and the European Union. We hope the transition will be made as | :15:23. | :15:33. | |
smoothly and as soon as possible. We will be talking to the ECB end a | :15:34. | :15:44. | |
week to prevent volatility and to offer support. IMF The goal also be | :15:45. | :16:00. | |
looking to also read the solidity of the economy. Many of you knew the | :16:01. | :16:14. | |
longest standing manager of IMF the. She is speaking in Washington, | :16:15. | :16:21. | |
giving a lecture. She mentioned the vote in the United Kingdom rate at | :16:22. | :16:26. | |
the start. She said it was very important that there was clarity of | :16:27. | :16:32. | |
the renegotiation process in the weeks and months ahead. She | :16:33. | :16:38. | |
mentioned the measures taken by the bank of England and the ECB, to | :16:39. | :16:49. | |
support the financial situation. She said that everyone had to work | :16:50. | :16:56. | |
together to make sure that after such an important democratic | :16:57. | :16:58. | |
decision in the United Kingdom, which she set out to be respected. A | :16:59. | :17:07. | |
very important figure in terms of world finance. Respecting the | :17:08. | :17:19. | |
result. But seeing that the smooth process and the clarity of | :17:20. | :17:24. | |
negotiation needed to come quickly and it was absolutely vital, not | :17:25. | :17:28. | |
just for the United Kingdom or the European Union, but for the | :17:29. | :17:37. | |
stability of the global economy. We are broadcasting all the reaction | :17:38. | :17:46. | |
around the world. The relationship between Britain and the European | :17:47. | :17:54. | |
Union is to be cut. Back in 1973, the initial decision to join the | :17:55. | :18:00. | |
European economic community. That relationship is know to be ended. We | :18:01. | :18:12. | |
have now secured -- the campaign to leave the European Union succeeded | :18:13. | :18:15. | |
by getting just over 17 million votes. | :18:16. | :18:18. | |
That compares with the 16.1 million voters who backed Remain. | :18:19. | :18:21. | |
More than 72% of eligible voters took part. | :18:22. | :18:23. | |
In England, more than 15 million people voted for the UK | :18:24. | :18:25. | |
In Scotland, every voting area came out in favour of Remain. | :18:26. | :18:34. | |
62% of Scottish voters backed Remain, with 38% | :18:35. | :18:39. | |
In Wales, Leave won over 52% of the vote | :18:40. | :18:45. | |
and secured the most votes in all but five | :18:46. | :18:50. | |
In Northern Ireland, which shares a land border | :18:51. | :19:02. | |
with the European Union, voters backed Remain, | :19:03. | :19:08. | |
with 55% of voters choosing to remain in the EU, | :19:09. | :19:10. | |
with 45% voting to leave it. Those are the big numbers. | :19:11. | :19:15. | |
We will have all the reaction from Westminster, the City | :19:16. | :19:25. | |
and from Europe, but first, our political correspondent | :19:26. | :19:27. | |
Carole Walker reports on dramatic events so far. | :19:28. | :19:36. | |
The people have voted for a new destiny for Britain. | :19:37. | :19:38. | |
This means that the UK has voted to leave the European Union. | :19:39. | :19:44. | |
A decision few predicted at the start of this campaign. | :19:45. | :19:47. | |
A decision which has forced the Prime Minister out of office. | :19:48. | :19:51. | |
There was no hiding the emotion of David Cameron, with his | :19:52. | :19:53. | |
wife Samantha, emerged in Downing Street. | :19:54. | :19:57. | |
The British people have voted to leave the European Union | :19:58. | :19:59. | |
He had fought and lost the battle to persuade | :20:00. | :20:07. | |
the country to stay in the European Union. | :20:08. | :20:11. | |
I fought this campaign in the only way I know how, | :20:12. | :20:14. | |
which is to say directly and passionately what I think and feel, | :20:15. | :20:17. | |
head, heart and soul. I held nothing back. | :20:18. | :20:24. | |
But the British people have made a very clear decision to take a | :20:25. | :20:27. | |
different path and as such I think the country requires fresh | :20:28. | :20:30. | |
leadership to take it in this direction. | :20:31. | :20:35. | |
I will do everything I can as Prime Minister to steady | :20:36. | :20:37. | |
the ship over the coming weeks and months, but I do not | :20:38. | :20:41. | |
think it would be right for me to try to be | :20:42. | :20:44. | |
the captain that steers our country to its next destination. | :20:45. | :20:50. | |
From the moment the results started coming in just after midnight, | :20:51. | :20:53. | |
The total number of votes cast in favour of Leave was 82,000... | :20:54. | :21:00. | |
By the end of the night, Leave had won a clean sweep across | :21:01. | :21:05. | |
the North of England, the Midlands, the East and West of England. | :21:06. | :21:10. | |
London was the only region of England to | :21:11. | :21:12. | |
support remaining a member of the EU. | :21:13. | :21:22. | |
The results in Flintshire reflected the outcome across Wales - | :21:23. | :21:24. | |
But Northern Ireland voted to remain in the EU. | :21:25. | :21:27. | |
Sinn Fein said it intensifies the case for a vote | :21:28. | :21:30. | |
on whether Northern Ireland should leave the United Kingdom. | :21:31. | :21:32. | |
And Scotland, as expected, voted by a clear majority | :21:33. | :21:34. | |
Scotland's First Minister said it was democratically | :21:35. | :21:42. | |
to be taken out of EU against its will. | :21:43. | :21:46. | |
Scotland does now face that prospect. | :21:47. | :21:48. | |
It is a significant and material change in circumstances and | :21:49. | :21:50. | |
it is therefore a statement of the obvious that the option of a second | :21:51. | :21:58. | |
But at Westminster, jubilant Leave campaigners have been celebrating. | :21:59. | :22:06. | |
Nigel Farage said he was thrilled that the country had decided to | :22:07. | :22:09. | |
break free from what he called "a failing, | :22:10. | :22:11. | |
17 million people have said we must leave the European Union. | :22:12. | :22:18. | |
We now need a Brexit government, a government that gets | :22:19. | :22:21. | |
on with the job, a government that begins the renegotiation of our | :22:22. | :22:24. | |
Boris Johnson struggled through the throng at his home, then | :22:25. | :22:34. | |
for his bravery in giving the British people their say. | :22:35. | :22:39. | |
I believe we now have a glorious opportunity. | :22:40. | :22:42. | |
We can pass our laws and set our taxes | :22:43. | :22:45. | |
entirely according to the needs of the UK economy. | :22:46. | :22:50. | |
We can control our own borders in a way | :22:51. | :22:54. | |
that is not discriminatory, but fair and balanced, | :22:55. | :22:57. | |
and take the wind out of the sails of the extremists and | :22:58. | :23:00. | |
those who would play politics with immigration. | :23:01. | :23:06. | |
But in the City, shares plunged and the pound fell | :23:07. | :23:09. | |
dramatically, despite all the attempts at reassurance from | :23:10. | :23:11. | |
political leaders and the Bank of England, which promised to take | :23:12. | :23:13. | |
whatever measures were necessary, to support the economy. | :23:14. | :23:19. | |
And there are now questions over the future of the Labour leader, | :23:20. | :23:22. | |
who has been blamed for a lacklustre campaign to remain | :23:23. | :23:24. | |
in the EU, which failed to convince many Labour supporters. | :23:25. | :23:30. | |
Clearly, there are some very difficult days ahead. | :23:31. | :23:31. | |
The value of the pound has already fallen and there will, | :23:32. | :23:34. | |
therefore, be job consequences as a result of this decision. | :23:35. | :23:40. | |
The Prime Minister has resigned. Can you give us a reaction? | :23:41. | :23:44. | |
No reaction, but two senior Labour MPs have tabled a | :23:45. | :23:46. | |
motion of no-confidence in Mr Corbyn's leadership. | :23:47. | :23:49. | |
I think Jeremy Corbyn should resign as leader of the Labour Party. | :23:50. | :23:53. | |
This was a test of leadership, the European referendum campaign. | :23:54. | :23:58. | |
He started too late, he was very half-hearted in the | :23:59. | :24:01. | |
leadership he gave to Labour under it. | :24:02. | :24:05. | |
For Britain, for Europe, as the country embarks on a new and | :24:06. | :24:12. | |
uncertain future outside the EU and under a different leader. | :24:13. | :24:18. | |
Carole Walker, BBC News, Westminster. | :24:19. | :24:30. | |
A sense of the reaction, which is still developing. Clearly, there is | :24:31. | :24:44. | |
acute interest in this across the European Union, no clear more so | :24:45. | :24:47. | |
than the Republic of Ireland. Charlie Flanagan is | :24:48. | :24:49. | |
the Irish Minister for He joins me now from outside | :24:50. | :24:51. | |
the Irish Parliament in Dublin. Thank you for joining us. Your | :24:52. | :25:03. | |
response first to the European Union referendum vote? These events are | :25:04. | :25:11. | |
seismic. There will be huge consequences and ramifications. I | :25:12. | :25:23. | |
believe no we should look towards the consequences and the orderly | :25:24. | :25:30. | |
withdrawal from the European Union of the United Kingdom. We have | :25:31. | :25:37. | |
unique circumstances here. We can see it not only from the European | :25:38. | :25:46. | |
perspective, but we are effectively an able and behind and Ireland. We | :25:47. | :25:54. | |
have been very strong in our support for the United Kingdom to remain | :25:55. | :26:02. | |
part of the European union. We were a small trading economy when we | :26:03. | :26:07. | |
joined and relied very much on our exports, primarily to Great Britain. | :26:08. | :26:14. | |
We have enjoyed a lot in common. I believe it is important that there | :26:15. | :26:22. | |
will no be a PDA of reflection and look at avenues between Britain and | :26:23. | :26:28. | |
Ireland to ensure the adverse effects of the United Kingdom 's | :26:29. | :26:35. | |
withdrawal are minimised. I think it is important that serious | :26:36. | :26:43. | |
consideration be given to the situation in Ireland, because there | :26:44. | :26:49. | |
is potentially no key problem with the land border. The could be | :26:50. | :26:59. | |
problems over jurisdiction. Things have been advanced considerably, | :27:00. | :27:03. | |
with better relations between North and south and it is important that | :27:04. | :27:09. | |
the legal framework of the agreement between Britain and Ireland, the | :27:10. | :27:19. | |
emphasis on peace and stability across Ireland, with particular | :27:20. | :27:23. | |
reference to the North, that be preserved, irrespective of the | :27:24. | :27:29. | |
withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union. We want to | :27:30. | :27:38. | |
work together, work across the European capitals, to ensure that | :27:39. | :27:44. | |
the next steps are taken. We do not want to cause any further anxiety on | :27:45. | :27:52. | |
the part of our respective peoples. Thinking specifically of the | :27:53. | :27:57. | |
relationship between the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland, | :27:58. | :28:04. | |
what are the areas which are potentially ringing alarm bells? | :28:05. | :28:10. | |
What will you focus on? I believe it is very important in the context of | :28:11. | :28:18. | |
trade. We have enjoyed trade in excess of 1 billion euros per week | :28:19. | :28:22. | |
between Great Britain and Ireland. It is important that strenuous | :28:23. | :28:26. | |
efforts are made to protect that and to make sure it is kept that way. We | :28:27. | :28:36. | |
want to also make sure that there is a continuing relationship between | :28:37. | :28:40. | |
the United Kingdom and the other member states. I am particularly | :28:41. | :28:47. | |
concerned that the situation in northern Ireland. Beer in mind that | :28:48. | :28:56. | |
the people of Northern Ireland voted to remain in the European Union. | :28:57. | :29:07. | |
Consequently, the withdrawal of Northern Ireland from the European | :29:08. | :29:09. | |
Union is against the wishes of the people via and, of course, the | :29:10. | :29:19. | |
people on the island of Ireland. Ireland will remain a fully fledged | :29:20. | :29:25. | |
member of the European Union and the Eurozone. There has been more than | :29:26. | :29:33. | |
one suggestion that some in Northern Ireland that there should be a | :29:34. | :29:41. | |
referendum with regard to their own future relationship with the United | :29:42. | :29:48. | |
Kingdom? What is your view on that? It is important that we reflect on | :29:49. | :29:55. | |
the result fastly. We need to look at the implications across Great | :29:56. | :30:02. | |
Britain and Northern Ireland. I hope there will be a PDA of reflection. | :30:03. | :30:16. | |
With regard to any further referendums, in the circumstances at | :30:17. | :30:19. | |
the moment, that would not be helpful. Thank you for joining us. | :30:20. | :30:28. | |
The Irish Minister for foreign fears, joining us in Dublin. Some | :30:29. | :30:41. | |
more reaction. One of the most prominent Remain campaigners was the | :30:42. | :30:55. | |
former Prime Minister John Major. He campaigned very strongly and warned | :30:56. | :31:00. | |
of the economic risks of leaving the European union has been very | :31:01. | :31:08. | |
significant. No, we also have the departure of David Cameron from his | :31:09. | :31:21. | |
job as Prime Minister. John Major was paying tribute to him earlier. I | :31:22. | :31:27. | |
am very sad. I think he has made the right decision. I think it was very | :31:28. | :31:37. | |
statesman-like and I thought he spoke very well. On the day he | :31:38. | :31:48. | |
became Prime Minister, our economy was on the precipice, facing | :31:49. | :31:52. | |
collapse. The future was fairly dire. He and George Osborne and to | :31:53. | :31:59. | |
governors of the Bank of England brought it back from the brink and | :32:00. | :32:02. | |
we know how one of the strongest economies in the world. You will be | :32:03. | :32:11. | |
difficulties lying ahead. His social agenda has been very advanced. Many | :32:12. | :32:25. | |
people did not like it. But many people will see he brought a breath | :32:26. | :32:27. | |
of fresh year and freedom to our lives. I think he will be remembered | :32:28. | :32:31. | |
for that. With me is our Chief Political | :32:32. | :32:35. | |
Correspondent Vicki Young. That was his response to the | :32:36. | :32:47. | |
statement earlier. The news of the result itself was of its own | :32:48. | :32:58. | |
skiable. But we are talking no about the ripple effect. The situation | :32:59. | :33:03. | |
with David Cameron, the possible effect on the Labour Party. The | :33:04. | :33:09. | |
relationship with the rest of the European Union in the future. What | :33:10. | :33:19. | |
will the situation be in the year. I think they will be in a state of | :33:20. | :33:27. | |
shock. This is a huge story which will change our lives, that we be | :33:28. | :33:31. | |
treated, the re-re- travel, that re-Beattock to the world. It will be | :33:32. | :33:38. | |
a slow process, but it will change things dramatically. The Prime | :33:39. | :33:42. | |
Minister was obviously very emotional. It means that the | :33:43. | :33:48. | |
Conservative Party will have to choose their next Prime Minister. | :33:49. | :33:54. | |
Inevitably, that will probably lead to an early general election. His | :33:55. | :34:03. | |
key plank of staying within the European Union has been rejected. | :34:04. | :34:11. | |
There is no also the prospect of a second independence referendum in | :34:12. | :34:17. | |
Scotland. She said this vote changed things significantly. There are no | :34:18. | :34:26. | |
Labour MPs also challenging the leadership of Jeremy Corbyn. That is | :34:27. | :34:33. | |
also dramatic. There is the possibility of both an early general | :34:34. | :34:40. | |
election and a lot of me feel that they have to use this opportunity to | :34:41. | :34:49. | |
get rid of Jeremy Corbyn and if the is an earthquake of Douglas | :34:50. | :34:52. | |
referendum, no one quite knows how the pieces will fall down. I have to | :34:53. | :35:14. | |
bring the sin. -- this end. The Mayor of Calais is saying that she | :35:15. | :35:28. | |
once the negotiation looked out once again. That of course has to do with | :35:29. | :35:37. | |
trade and migration. People here are saying that the French have agreed | :35:38. | :35:47. | |
that the board of the is in France. People will see why would the French | :35:48. | :35:52. | |
on that if we decided to leave. And clearly, the Mayor of Calais as in | :35:53. | :35:57. | |
the chillingly clear of what she thinks of that decision to leave. | :35:58. | :36:05. | |
But on the other side, they are seeing that as the European Union | :36:06. | :36:11. | |
decision. It has two still be honoured, even if we left. How will | :36:12. | :36:18. | |
our European Union partners treat others in this negotiation? Will | :36:19. | :36:30. | |
they help others? This, 41st thought, does not bode well. We have | :36:31. | :36:37. | |
been explaining all day is that the result is so multilayered, there are | :36:38. | :36:42. | |
so many implications and consequences. This is one, which was | :36:43. | :36:52. | |
predictable. Many people in a general collection, when they are | :36:53. | :36:59. | |
asked to rate the importance of issues, the European Union very | :37:00. | :37:05. | |
really makes much of the mark. The question now is is this going to be | :37:06. | :37:13. | |
the positive optimistic view that we are free from the shackles of this | :37:14. | :37:17. | |
relationship and we have a huge economy that we can work with around | :37:18. | :37:27. | |
the globe. Or will the predictions that keynote from the Chancellor | :37:28. | :37:33. | |
before this all come true. There is a silence from number 11. George | :37:34. | :37:44. | |
Osborne has not said anything. There is a lot of talk about him from | :37:45. | :37:50. | |
behind the scenes. Last week, they were not happy about that budget he | :37:51. | :37:58. | |
forecast. At this point, I think they are very keen to stabilise | :37:59. | :38:04. | |
things within the party. Long-term, this is a man who had leadership | :38:05. | :38:11. | |
ambitions himself, there are not many Conservative MPs today who are | :38:12. | :38:18. | |
backing him. We believe he is speaking to the Governor of the Bank | :38:19. | :38:23. | |
of England, monitoring the financial situation. | :38:24. | :38:30. | |
We can go to College Green at Westminster and join | :38:31. | :38:33. | |
Customer into both of you. We have a representative from the Scottish | :38:34. | :38:53. | |
National party. We have just heard that news that the Mayor of Calais | :38:54. | :39:02. | |
wants to renegotiate the treaty with regard to the border crossing. This | :39:03. | :39:10. | |
is a long-standing treaty. This is a bilateral agreement. If it comes up | :39:11. | :39:19. | |
for discussion, it comes up for discussion. But the French president | :39:20. | :39:30. | |
is noticing they could potentially offer a referendum on membership of | :39:31. | :39:38. | |
the European Union. Today is a good day for you. Does that you out of a | :39:39. | :39:46. | |
job? It is an interesting question. But there is a position for me to | :39:47. | :39:52. | |
make sure that this process of negotiation goes as smoothly as | :39:53. | :39:59. | |
possible. The president of the commission is seen today it will be | :40:00. | :40:05. | |
an orderly negotiation. We always said that the United Kingdom would | :40:06. | :40:09. | |
continue to have a close relationship with the member | :40:10. | :40:14. | |
countries. Know the reality is in front of us, we are seeing quite a | :40:15. | :40:20. | |
different attitude. We are no longer at the back of the queue, in terms | :40:21. | :40:27. | |
of America. We have had other Foreign Minister singly look forward | :40:28. | :40:32. | |
to creating new trade deals with the United Kingdom. Even the CBI, who | :40:33. | :40:44. | |
were previously logged in column, saying they are looking forward to | :40:45. | :40:50. | |
the future. But this is only the one. Nothing will change from at | :40:51. | :40:56. | |
least a couple of years, perhaps longer. The new music is very good. | :40:57. | :41:07. | |
It is about cooperation and support. That is opposed to the fear and | :41:08. | :41:14. | |
scaremongering of before. It is a happy Independence Day for me and | :41:15. | :41:20. | |
the party. But even my own family are concerned. This morning, Nicola | :41:21. | :41:30. | |
Sturgeon talking about the possibility of a second independence | :41:31. | :41:47. | |
referendum. From day one I have said that Project Fear would not work. | :41:48. | :41:56. | |
The people of Scotland voted overwhelmingly to remain part of the | :41:57. | :42:00. | |
European Union. Every single local authority voted that way. Nicola | :42:01. | :42:12. | |
Sturgeon has a very good point. This is the democratic will of the | :42:13. | :42:19. | |
Scottish people. Ultimately, the has to be another referendum? Some of us | :42:20. | :42:27. | |
have not been to bed since the last referendum! The Cabinet are going to | :42:28. | :42:33. | |
meet tomorrow. The Scottish parliament will discuss it next | :42:34. | :42:44. | |
week. When we talk about democracy, Scotland is being removed from the | :42:45. | :42:48. | |
European Union by a government we did not vote for. I think there is a | :42:49. | :42:57. | |
strong possibility. Thank you both for joining me. Much more reaction | :42:58. | :43:12. | |
to come. Thank you. It is a good time to pick up on events in the | :43:13. | :43:25. | |
City of London. The Bank of England has said they were well prepared for | :43:26. | :43:30. | |
this eventuality. That was what we were hearing today. They see they | :43:31. | :43:37. | |
have good liquid assets and they strong. They see they are ten times | :43:38. | :43:43. | |
better off than they react at the financial crisis. It is a message | :43:44. | :43:50. | |
they are trying to send out across the world. It is a message they have | :43:51. | :44:05. | |
been sending out to the ECB and to the Federal reserve. What will | :44:06. | :44:08. | |
happen to Stirling will be interesting. We have here is | :44:09. | :44:13. | |
something of a drop of about eight and a half percent against the | :44:14. | :44:21. | |
dollar. It is a 30 year low against the dollar. It really depends on how | :44:22. | :44:32. | |
far that would have to fall. We have heard from major companies that | :44:33. | :44:40. | |
there could be some quantitative easing is the days and weeks unfold. | :44:41. | :44:48. | |
For more on the impact that Britain's decision will have | :44:49. | :44:50. | |
on the remaining EU member states, let's turn to Matthew Amroliwala, | :44:51. | :44:53. | |
Over the last 43 years, this block has grown and grown until last night | :44:54. | :45:05. | |
and that stunning setback, the first country to choose to leave the EU. | :45:06. | :45:11. | |
Let's speak to Europe correspondent. Still, hours later, you get a sense | :45:12. | :45:17. | |
of complete disbelief here. Yes. This morning at 6am here, there were | :45:18. | :45:23. | |
shock waves rippling through the place. Across that the Parliament, I | :45:24. | :45:27. | |
was over there, the president of the Parliament was visibly shaken by the | :45:28. | :45:33. | |
stress. He had to break off to take a call from Angela Merkel -- Angela | :45:34. | :45:38. | |
Merkel. Through the day, she and the other EU primary leaders have closed | :45:39. | :45:44. | |
ranks. The other 27 countries, co-ordinated messages to say that | :45:45. | :45:47. | |
there is a process they want to follow, calm down and try to | :45:48. | :45:53. | |
stabilise things. What happens next? They have been careful, moderate, | :45:54. | :45:57. | |
measured in their language, but you get the sense the more you hear them | :45:58. | :46:00. | |
speak that there is a steely determined miss underneath that | :46:01. | :46:04. | |
about the speed of these negotiations and what they want. | :46:05. | :46:08. | |
They say there is a legal process set out in the treaties that has to | :46:09. | :46:12. | |
be followed. The UK side have been saying they would wait for a new | :46:13. | :46:16. | |
Prime Minister to be in place. The indications from here are that they | :46:17. | :46:20. | |
might well accept that, but only if it is for a few weeks, a couple of | :46:21. | :46:24. | |
months may be, not any longer, because what they don't want here is | :46:25. | :46:29. | |
any sort of vacuum which could let events run away with us. I think | :46:30. | :46:34. | |
what that steeliness is is the 27 nations coming out very clearly and | :46:35. | :46:38. | |
saying that they have their own interests as a block to preserve, | :46:39. | :46:42. | |
and that is the unity and integrity of the union, and to protect that | :46:43. | :46:48. | |
from any further threats. I was listening to Philip Hammond in an | :46:49. | :46:52. | |
interview earlier and he casually used the phrase, our former EU | :46:53. | :46:56. | |
partners, and that is what they are grappling with air. In an instant, | :46:57. | :47:00. | |
the entire relationship has been refrained. -- grappling with here. | :47:01. | :47:08. | |
Earlier on, Gavin Esler was talking to the leader of the Lib Dems in | :47:09. | :47:13. | |
Scotland, Willie Rennie, after the result there, which was a contrast | :47:14. | :47:18. | |
with England and rails -- Wales. Let's join him again. We are all | :47:19. | :47:24. | |
familiar with the phrase Project Fear, but now project Fact. The fact | :47:25. | :47:29. | |
is that Scotland is out of step with much of the United Kingdom, except | :47:30. | :47:33. | |
for Northern Ireland and London. I am joined by a reporter from the | :47:34. | :47:42. | |
Herald and Alex Massie from the Spectator and Times. What happens | :47:43. | :47:47. | |
next? This was a calamity for unionism in Scotland. A lot of | :47:48. | :47:51. | |
Scottish Unionists today questioning whether they could bring themselves | :47:52. | :47:55. | |
to vote no in a subsequent referendum, if it takes place, and | :47:56. | :47:59. | |
it looks as though it will at some point, although the terms and | :48:00. | :48:02. | |
conditions for that remain to be determined. So much is up in the | :48:03. | :48:06. | |
air. This is a bleak, dark day for Scottish Unionism. I have talked to | :48:07. | :48:13. | |
a few people who voted no in 2014 independence and they echo what he | :48:14. | :48:17. | |
says, they have changed their minds. I would be cautious about that, | :48:18. | :48:23. | |
because the intelligentsia, yes campaigners, are saying that this | :48:24. | :48:26. | |
will inevitably bring forwards Scottish independence, and it | :48:27. | :48:30. | |
certainly brought it close, but it is still a difficult sell. We have | :48:31. | :48:35. | |
had two major elections in the last two years. Having another referendum | :48:36. | :48:39. | |
would come up against a problem of voter fatigue. I have spoken to a | :48:40. | :48:43. | |
none of people who are saying, I'm not sure if I would vote yes in | :48:44. | :48:49. | |
another referendum. My taxi voter said he voted yes before but he says | :48:50. | :48:52. | |
he isn't going to vote yet again. He doesn't see why we should give up | :48:53. | :48:56. | |
sovereignty from England and handed over to Brussels. It is much more | :48:57. | :49:01. | |
complicated to sell than it was before. Remember, Britain will be | :49:02. | :49:05. | |
out of the EU, but the Scottish Government's policy on independence | :49:06. | :49:08. | |
is still to retain the pound and allow the Bank of England to | :49:09. | :49:13. | |
determine interest rates. How much chaos do you think the political | :49:14. | :49:16. | |
parties are in north of the border? Ruth Davidson was feisty in | :49:17. | :49:20. | |
attacking Boris Johnson, who could be the next Tory leader, and Kezia | :49:21. | :49:24. | |
Dugdale has to decide whether to support Jeremy Corbyn. The Scottish | :49:25. | :49:30. | |
Labour Party has lost an empire is not found a role, and that is still | :49:31. | :49:33. | |
the case. The real difficulty is for Ruth Davidson. Suppose that Doris | :49:34. | :49:38. | |
Johnson becomes the leader of the Conservative Party and Prime | :49:39. | :49:41. | |
Minister. What sort of relationship does the Scottish Tory party have | :49:42. | :49:45. | |
with its cousin south of the border? What sort of union is it that the | :49:46. | :49:50. | |
Scottish Tories are fighting to defend? It isn't the same union that | :49:51. | :49:56. | |
was available 48 hours ago. It isn't all plain sailing for Nicola | :49:57. | :50:00. | |
Sturgeon. She has people in the party who want an independence | :50:01. | :50:04. | |
referendum in May 2017, next year. That isn't going to happen, is it? | :50:05. | :50:10. | |
No, she is in no hurry to have an independence referendum. She has | :50:11. | :50:13. | |
said today she is going to put the legislation for a new independence | :50:14. | :50:20. | |
referendum before the Parliament, in preparation, assuming that we go | :50:21. | :50:24. | |
through this Article 50 process by which the UK removes itself from | :50:25. | :50:28. | |
Europe. But she is envisaging is another referendum at the end of | :50:29. | :50:32. | |
that two-year negotiating period. Their calculation is that, by that | :50:33. | :50:36. | |
stage, Scottish voters, who may be a bit fed up having referendums, will | :50:37. | :50:42. | |
realise the future is so bleak that this is their last chance to stay in | :50:43. | :50:47. | |
Europe and they might say, OK, press the trigger, we'll have another | :50:48. | :50:50. | |
referendum. Thank you both very much. Tomorrow, Scottish Cabinet | :50:51. | :50:55. | |
will be meeting. Nicola Sturgeon will be addressing the Scottish | :50:56. | :50:59. | |
Parliament on Tuesday. Back to you. Lots of the debate has been centred | :51:00. | :51:05. | |
on migration and, in fact, going back to the decision in 2003-4 to | :51:06. | :51:14. | |
expand the size of the EU, and lots of focus, of course, on the number | :51:15. | :51:17. | |
of Polish people who have come to work in the UK. With that in mind, | :51:18. | :51:23. | |
and because Poland is a member of the EU with a very close interest in | :51:24. | :51:27. | |
what is going on, let's talk to the Polish ambassador to the UK, Witold | :51:28. | :51:30. | |
Sobkowguest, who is just outside Parliament. In queue joining us. | :51:31. | :51:36. | |
Could I have your response first of all to the vote? Yes, let me tell | :51:37. | :51:44. | |
you that we have always said that we respect any kind of democratic | :51:45. | :51:47. | |
verdict of the British electorate, and this is what happened. Of | :51:48. | :51:51. | |
course, we are unhappy, we regret that we will lose the UK at the | :51:52. | :51:58. | |
table, the negotiating table, in the EU. The UK has always presented very | :51:59. | :52:02. | |
similar views to the views of my country. So this is a loss, but we | :52:03. | :52:10. | |
respect it. We hope now that the negotiations will be mutually | :52:11. | :52:15. | |
beneficial, and they will also lead to the respect of the acquired | :52:16. | :52:21. | |
rights of people from Poland who are gay, who contribute to the | :52:22. | :52:24. | |
prosperity of people in this country. -- people from Poland who | :52:25. | :52:31. | |
are here. You followed the campaign closely and I wonder what you made | :52:32. | :52:34. | |
of the fact that immigration became such a dominant feature of the | :52:35. | :52:41. | |
campaign in the closing weeks. A lot of misconceptions. The decision to | :52:42. | :52:47. | |
open the Labour market in 2004 was excellent, because a lot of people | :52:48. | :52:51. | |
came here to work in hospitals, for the NHS, old people's homes, rest | :52:52. | :52:59. | |
homes, hotels, the City of London, everywhere, so they contribute to | :53:00. | :53:04. | |
the prosperity of this country. They pay taxes. They don't miss use the | :53:05. | :53:08. | |
system and they try to integrate as well as possible. In your contact | :53:09. | :53:15. | |
with Polish people in the UK in the last 24 years, are you detecting | :53:16. | :53:19. | |
that people are concerned about the outcome in terms of their own | :53:20. | :53:24. | |
positions? I think people are very concerned, but what we tell our | :53:25. | :53:27. | |
citizens is that, first of all, Britain was to present a letter with | :53:28. | :53:33. | |
Article 50 explaining what Britain is going to do, how to start | :53:34. | :53:40. | |
negotiations with the EU. -- Britain will have to present. For at least | :53:41. | :53:43. | |
two years, Britain is going to negotiate. For at least two and half | :53:44. | :53:48. | |
years, Britain will remain a member of the EU, so nothing is going to | :53:49. | :53:52. | |
change. When we look at that timetable, and we have heard lots of | :53:53. | :53:57. | |
talk today about the fact that, as you say, Article 50 has a two-year | :53:58. | :54:01. | |
timetable, but there are lots of other things that could take longer, | :54:02. | :54:05. | |
in your view, could this entire process take a decade? Anything is | :54:06. | :54:11. | |
possible because we have no president. Article 50 is very clear. | :54:12. | :54:16. | |
If there is unanimity in the EU, we can extend negotiations. If there is | :54:17. | :54:21. | |
well on the behalf of the other members of the EU after two years, | :54:22. | :54:25. | |
this period will be extended and negotiations will be going on, but | :54:26. | :54:31. | |
it isn't up to me to say whether this will will be there after two | :54:32. | :54:36. | |
years. ... The question that comes on from that is the nature of the | :54:37. | :54:42. | |
response, if you like, from the other European member states, | :54:43. | :54:45. | |
including Poland. To what extent will they be ready to give Britain | :54:46. | :54:50. | |
favourable terms on trade, or favourable terms of exit? Do you | :54:51. | :54:56. | |
think that goodwill is there or not? I think there is that goodwill | :54:57. | :55:00. | |
because Britain may leave the European Union but it isn't leaving | :55:01. | :55:03. | |
Europe in general. It will still be one of the major superpowers, a | :55:04. | :55:08. | |
member of the Security Council, the G7, G20, Nato, which is very | :55:09. | :55:15. | |
important for us. We are not losing Britain from Europe. Of course, the | :55:16. | :55:19. | |
closest relations of the UK will be with European neighbours. We will do | :55:20. | :55:24. | |
our best to help, but of course the Polish government will try to ensure | :55:25. | :55:28. | |
that the interests of Poland are preserved during the negotiations, | :55:29. | :55:32. | |
which includes the acquired rights of people who live here. But we will | :55:33. | :55:37. | |
help as much as we can, because we are partners and allies and we share | :55:38. | :55:40. | |
a lot of British philosophy regarding the liberal economic | :55:41. | :55:50. | |
exchanges and the future, the importance of the sovereign state, | :55:51. | :55:54. | |
etc. So we have a very similar philosophy. That is why we want to | :55:55. | :55:58. | |
help. We are not losing Britain from Europe. We may lose Britain from the | :55:59. | :56:04. | |
EU. What are your thoughts on the possibilities or, indeed, | :56:05. | :56:08. | |
probabilities of other political movements in other European Union | :56:09. | :56:13. | |
member states demanding a similar kind of referendum? We have seen | :56:14. | :56:16. | |
some politicians in the Netherlands and France demanding referendums | :56:17. | :56:20. | |
today. Do you think it is possible that what has happened in the UK | :56:21. | :56:25. | |
could lead to similar referendums elsewhere? I hope not. We are afraid | :56:26. | :56:31. | |
there may be a chain reaction, and politicians from the EU have always | :56:32. | :56:36. | |
said this is a unique solution for Britain, because of extraordinary | :56:37. | :56:39. | |
circumstances. This is a kind of sui generis solution. Let's believe that | :56:40. | :56:44. | |
this is going to happen. It was just a solution for Britain and we are | :56:45. | :56:48. | |
not going to have a chain reaction. This would be bad for the rest of | :56:49. | :56:54. | |
the world, because we have so many challenges at the moment. We may | :56:55. | :56:59. | |
have another wave of refugees. There is war raging in Syria and Ukraine. | :57:00. | :57:03. | |
We have a lot of other challenges and we need unity and coherence of | :57:04. | :57:07. | |
Europe, and Britain is there, it will be there, and we need the | :57:08. | :57:13. | |
British. Mr Ambassador, thank you very much for joining us. That was | :57:14. | :57:19. | |
Witold Sobkowguest, the Polish ambassador to the UK, giving us his | :57:20. | :57:25. | |
response from the green outside Parliament. Let's have a bit more | :57:26. | :57:28. | |
and how Britain First decision to withdraw from the EU will impact. -- | :57:29. | :57:35. | |
Britain's decision. I'm joined by Sophie Long from Dublin, Damien | :57:36. | :57:42. | |
McGuinness in Berlin and Lucy Williamson in Paris. Sophie, the | :57:43. | :57:48. | |
Foreign Minister earlier was quite clear, respecting the democratic | :57:49. | :57:51. | |
will of the British people, but certainly underlining some concerns | :57:52. | :58:00. | |
about the process ahead of us. Yes, I was speaking to Charlie Flanagan, | :58:01. | :58:04. | |
the Foreign Minister, a few moments ago, and is it to him, how did you | :58:05. | :58:08. | |
feel when you heard this news? He said he felt very sad, that this was | :58:09. | :58:14. | |
a day of great sadness. Ireland is the only European nation which has a | :58:15. | :58:18. | |
land border UK. Britain's decision to leave the European project will | :58:19. | :58:24. | |
have significant implications for everyone in Ireland, but most of | :58:25. | :58:28. | |
all, in some ways, for the people living along that border. When I | :58:29. | :58:32. | |
asked Charlie Flanagan how he felt about the prospect potentially of a | :58:33. | :58:36. | |
hard border coming into effect, you said it would be a nightmare. We | :58:37. | :58:40. | |
also heard from Enda Kenny a bit earlier. He said that he was sorry | :58:41. | :58:46. | |
about the result but that the British people had spoken and that | :58:47. | :58:49. | |
their decision must be respected, but what he emphasised is that this | :58:50. | :58:54. | |
now is a time for reflection, that they could consider this, because | :58:55. | :58:59. | |
there will be two years before this comes into effect, and the main | :59:00. | :59:03. | |
concern here, I think, is about trade. The Irish economy is growing | :59:04. | :59:08. | |
now, but it is doing so slowly and after a difficult time, a deep | :59:09. | :59:12. | |
recession. I think the main feeling in Dublin is that this is a time for | :59:13. | :59:16. | |
reflection while they consider what happens next. We know that the | :59:17. | :59:20. | |
building behind me will be recalled on Monday, so they can consider what | :59:21. | :59:26. | |
is ahead now. Sophie, thank you for the latest in Dublin. Let's go to | :59:27. | :59:29. | |
Berlin and talk to Damien McGuinness. We heard earlier | :59:30. | :59:34. | |
Chancellor Angela Merkel expressing regret about this decision, but what | :59:35. | :59:37. | |
else has been said about the prospects for the coming months? I | :59:38. | :59:42. | |
think what is interesting here is that, on the one hand, Germany trade | :59:43. | :59:47. | |
is an awful lot with the UK and Germany traditionally sees the UK as | :59:48. | :59:53. | |
a pro-trade ally in the EU, so there is a lot of sadness that the UK is | :59:54. | :59:58. | |
leaving the EU and a local business leaders are saying that it is very | :59:59. | :00:02. | |
important for Germany to get a free trade agreement going with British | :00:03. | :00:05. | |
businesses and customers, because they don't want to lose out on | :00:06. | :00:09. | |
trade. At the same time, something else is going on, which is the risk | :00:10. | :00:13. | |
of contagion. On the one hand, there is a fear that Eurosceptics in | :00:14. | :00:18. | |
Germany might take heart from this. We have got elections in Germany | :00:19. | :00:22. | |
next year, so Berlin doesn't want to encourage Eurosceptics in Germany. | :00:23. | :00:26. | |
Probably more importantly for business leaders, for example, they | :00:27. | :00:30. | |
don't want to encourage other countries and markets within the EU | :00:31. | :00:34. | |
to break up. I talked to a business leader earlier told me that | :00:35. | :00:37. | |
actually, on the one hand, some German businesses might fear a loss | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
of trade with the UK but they might fear more contagion in a future | :00:42. | :00:47. | |
break-up of the EU. Obviously, if you take cars, the German car | :00:48. | :00:53. | |
market, the British market is very important for car manufacturers | :00:54. | :00:56. | |
here. Some of those manufacturers may well rather take a hit on losing | :00:57. | :01:00. | |
some UK custom rather than risk contagion. That means that Berlin | :01:01. | :01:05. | |
will be a tough negotiating partner over the next few months. Thank you | :01:06. | :01:11. | |
very much, Damian, for the latest in Berlin. Let's go to Paris and Lucy | :01:12. | :01:15. | |
Williamson. The attitude of the French government and doesn't want | :01:16. | :01:23. | |
is what? -- and President Hollande. He said it was a day of profound | :01:24. | :01:28. | |
regret for him and he talked about the need to focus on the loss of | :01:29. | :01:32. | |
confidence in the European project. What is striking here is the level | :01:33. | :01:36. | |
of shock that was apparent in France when the results came in. People in | :01:37. | :01:40. | |
France are very used to what they see as British moaning about the EU. | :01:41. | :01:45. | |
People in France have been expressing a lot of irritation with | :01:46. | :01:48. | |
the bricks over the last few months and even years, but I think what is | :01:49. | :01:53. | |
happening today is the realisation of what the real consequences are | :01:54. | :01:58. | |
for an actual British exit. As Damian was saying, the same thing | :01:59. | :02:01. | |
plays out here, that there is a perception it may well provide a | :02:02. | :02:06. | |
boost to the far right from national outcome to Eurosceptics in the | :02:07. | :02:10. | |
country, or at least exercise the debate about what kind of | :02:11. | :02:15. | |
relationship France wants to have with Brussels. A very different | :02:16. | :02:19. | |
relationship. Only about a third of people say that they would want a | :02:20. | :02:23. | |
referendum on leaving the EU. Nevertheless, there is a lot of | :02:24. | :02:27. | |
irritation about the red tape that comes from Brussels and lots for | :02:28. | :02:32. | |
President Hollande to worry about. Thank you, Lucy. Very important note | :02:33. | :02:39. | |
that I have just been handed about the internal politics of the Labour | :02:40. | :02:44. | |
Party. Stephen Kinnock, who is the Labour MP for Aberavon in South | :02:45. | :02:51. | |
Wales, he has just let it be known that he supports the no-confidence | :02:52. | :03:01. | |
motion that is being presented, the no-confidence motion in Jeremy | :03:02. | :03:04. | |
Corbyn, that will be presented next week. I am told he believes Mr | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
Corbyn's leadership in this referendum campaign has been | :03:10. | :03:13. | |
lacklustre and, for that reason, he is supporting the no-confidence | :03:14. | :03:17. | |
motion. If we get more on that, we will bring it to you straightaway. | :03:18. | :03:22. | |
That is another prominent new intake member, Stephen Kinnock elected last | :03:23. | :03:28. | |
year for Aberavon, and he has been quite prominent not least because of | :03:29. | :03:32. | |
the steelworks in Port Talbot, which he has been involved in, trying to | :03:33. | :03:36. | |
save them, because it is his local area. Stephen Kinnock saying that he | :03:37. | :03:40. | |
supports the no-confidence motion in Jeremy Corbyn. More reaction coming | :03:41. | :03:45. | |
through. I am going to hand over to Jane Hill on the green outside | :03:46. | :03:49. | |
Parliament. We are going to take a few minutes | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
to talk about the Conservative Party. Two grandees and not one from | :03:54. | :03:59. | |
each side of the fence, with me, Malcolm Rifkind, former Foreign | :04:00. | :04:02. | |
Secretary, and Bernard Jenkin. Bernard Jenkin, I was talking to | :04:03. | :04:07. | |
another Conservative Outer earlier, who said he was still in shock. Is | :04:08. | :04:14. | |
that how you feel? Is very hard to take in. I actually found myself in | :04:15. | :04:18. | |
a hog with Iain Duncan Smith at about AM. We were elected at the | :04:19. | :04:28. | |
beginning of the 1992 Parliament when we opposed the Maastricht | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
Treaty and 25 years later we find that the conclusion of our campaign | :04:33. | :04:37. | |
on the European question has concluded at this moment. But there | :04:38. | :04:42. | |
is a great deal of water to pass under the bridge before we resolve a | :04:43. | :04:46. | |
new relationship with our friends and allies. We may have time to talk | :04:47. | :04:52. | |
about this. I am curious whether you approached the victory with any | :04:53. | :04:56. | |
concerns about division in the country, the fact that Scotland, | :04:57. | :05:00. | |
London, was so distinct from the rest of the country. I think is of | :05:01. | :05:04. | |
concern. I think it was amplified by the way the Remain campaign were | :05:05. | :05:10. | |
determined to reinforce it. The figures speak for themselves. They | :05:11. | :05:15. | |
do, but it was a United Kingdom referendum. If Scotland had tipped | :05:16. | :05:21. | |
the balance so that England was forced to stay in against its will | :05:22. | :05:25. | |
because of Scotland, we would have accepted the result in England. So I | :05:26. | :05:31. | |
think it is very important that Nicola Sturgeon is taken in good | :05:32. | :05:39. | |
faith into the negotiations so that Scotland's voice is heard directly | :05:40. | :05:44. | |
in any discussions with the EU about how we transition to our new status | :05:45. | :05:47. | |
outside the European Union. And the other assemblies and, indeed, the | :05:48. | :05:53. | |
other stakeholders, industry, the City and the parties that voted | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
against leaving the EU. This needs to be a great exercise in | :05:59. | :06:02. | |
collaboration and unification, the process of leaving the European | :06:03. | :06:06. | |
Union. We need a period of unification? Inevitably, when you | :06:07. | :06:14. | |
have had something as harsh as divisive as this referendum, like | :06:15. | :06:17. | |
the Scottish referendum, which has the same features. Families were | :06:18. | :06:21. | |
split, community 's work divide people said harsh things. Partly | :06:22. | :06:28. | |
that was for impact and partly because they felt strongly. Having | :06:29. | :06:33. | |
said that, although I was very saddened by the result, it was an | :06:34. | :06:37. | |
extraordinary example of the democratic process at work. Over 30 | :06:38. | :06:41. | |
million British citizens changing history. Even though you might not | :06:42. | :06:50. | |
agree with it. One of the reasons why he was yesterday was the result | :06:51. | :06:55. | |
it was was when, for example, the single currency was introduced, the | :06:56. | :07:00. | |
euro, in 15 European countries, not one occasion worthy people of those | :07:01. | :07:04. | |
countries having a referendum to decide. It was decided by | :07:05. | :07:07. | |
governments. Whether we like the result or are unhappy with it, what | :07:08. | :07:12. | |
we can be proud of that we have shown ourselves to be a mature | :07:13. | :07:18. | |
democracy that reaches decisions peacefully and allows the healing | :07:19. | :07:22. | |
process to begin to work. And the healing process in your own party, | :07:23. | :07:27. | |
because we have seen big cabinet hitters on both sides. You are quite | :07:28. | :07:31. | |
right, but I'm quite relaxed about that. First of all, apart from | :07:32. | :07:36. | |
Europe, there is no deep division in the Conservative Party on any other | :07:37. | :07:42. | |
issue. But that has been the big one. Yes, and it has been resolved. | :07:43. | :07:46. | |
The people have spoken. My side of the argument lost and we have | :07:47. | :07:50. | |
accepted that people have voted. There is no point in the party being | :07:51. | :07:54. | |
divided. Ask yourself, why is the Conservative Party the world's | :07:55. | :08:00. | |
oldest surviving successful party, 300 years? Because we are not | :08:01. | :08:05. | |
ideological. Winston Churchill once gave good advice to politicians. He | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
said, in politics, you shouldn't commit suicide because you might | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
live to regret it. Is it right that David Cameron is staying until | :08:15. | :08:19. | |
October? It is a fact of life. That is as long as it takes for a | :08:20. | :08:22. | |
Conservative leadership election to occur. Just look at the steps, | :08:23. | :08:26. | |
several rounds of voting will take us into July and then to the end of | :08:27. | :08:34. | |
the parliamentary term, and then you have got the summer period where | :08:35. | :08:36. | |
they tour the country and then there is a ballot in September on the | :08:37. | :08:40. | |
membership. That is the protracted process. I think there is a problem | :08:41. | :08:46. | |
in saying, right, we are not going to do anything between now and | :08:47. | :08:49. | |
October to address the EU relationship. The president of the | :08:50. | :08:55. | |
commission this afternoon was saying, they want Britain to get on | :08:56. | :08:59. | |
with it. We don't want us hanging around to destabilise their | :09:00. | :09:03. | |
arrangements. They want certainty, and I think we should be able to do | :09:04. | :09:07. | |
this more quickly. I think much work could be done at official level, | :09:08. | :09:11. | |
civil servants talking to officials and laying the ground so that, when | :09:12. | :09:15. | |
a new leader comes in, the guts of the preparation have been done by | :09:16. | :09:18. | |
what they call the shoppers. We could leave the European Union quite | :09:19. | :09:25. | |
quickly and everything could be addressed at our leisure. -- what | :09:26. | :09:36. | |
they called the sherpas. We shouldn't do the article 15 that | :09:37. | :09:40. | |
binds us into an EU process that has been rejected by voters. The mayor | :09:41. | :09:46. | |
of Calais has said that they want the Le Touquet Tweety renegotiated. | :09:47. | :09:53. | |
Luckily, it is agreed between the governments of France and the UK. | :09:54. | :10:00. | |
Bernard Cazenove, a minister in France, made it clear a few months | :10:01. | :10:03. | |
ago that he thought it would be mad to try and move the border from | :10:04. | :10:07. | |
Calais to the British side of the channel. I am not as optimistic as | :10:08. | :10:13. | |
Bernard. Let's be optimistic, because we want the Tweety to | :10:14. | :10:18. | |
continue. It is mostly to our advantage. Let me finish. It is | :10:19. | :10:24. | |
their advantage. That's what Bernard Cazenove said. I think it is very | :10:25. | :10:29. | |
much more to our advantage is that people who are trying to get into | :10:30. | :10:31. | |
Britain and not entitled to don't Britain and not entitled to don't | :10:32. | :10:35. | |
get past France. We must leave it there. Thank you very much for being | :10:36. | :10:40. | |
with us here at Westminster. Continuing coverage, and much more | :10:41. | :10:47. | |
from here and College Green on BBC News all day, after what has been a | :10:48. | :10:52. | |
dramatic 24 hours. Let's just remind ourselves of some of the most | :10:53. | :10:57. | |
memorable moments of an extremely memorable day. At 20 minutes to | :10:58. | :11:02. | |
five, we can now say the decision taken in 1975 by this country to | :11:03. | :11:06. | |
join the Common Market has been reversed by this referendum to leave | :11:07. | :11:13. | |
the EU. CHEERING | :11:14. | :11:20. | |
It's a victory for ordinary people, decent people. It's a victory | :11:21. | :11:24. | |
against the big merchant banks, against big businesses and against | :11:25. | :11:29. | |
big politics. I'm proud of everybody who had the courage, in the face of | :11:30. | :11:33. | |
all the threats, everything they were told, they had the guts to | :11:34. | :11:39. | |
stand up and to do the right thing. Inevitably there will be a period of | :11:40. | :11:42. | |
uncertainty and adjustment. We will not hesitate to take any additional | :11:43. | :11:52. | |
measures required to do our responsibility as the UK moves | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
forward. I will do everything I can as Prime Minister to steady the ship | :11:57. | :11:59. | |
over the coming weeks and months but I do not think it would be right for | :12:00. | :12:04. | |
me to try to be the captain that steers our country to its next | :12:05. | :12:08. | |
destination. I am proud of Scotland and how we voted yesterday. You | :12:09. | :12:14. | |
proved that we are a modern, outward looking, open and inclusive country, | :12:15. | :12:18. | |
and we said clearly that we do not want to leave the European Union. I | :12:19. | :12:22. | |
believe the British people have spoken up for democracy. In Britain | :12:23. | :12:30. | |
and across Europe. And I think we can be very proud of the result. | :12:31. | :12:46. | |
It has been an interesting spell of weather, up and down through the | :12:47. | :12:52. | |
weekend as well. Sunny for some, wet for others. A delightful picture in | :12:53. | :12:57. | |
Derbyshire taken earlier on, but the fluffy clouds here have been | :12:58. | :13:01. | |
replaced by an ominous shower clouds elsewhere. Some thunderstorms | :13:02. | :13:04. | |
developed as we went through the day, some heavy, torrential | :13:05. | :13:07. | |
downpours in places. The lightning flashing away this afternoon and | :13:08. | :13:13. | |
some particularly intense storms across the Highlands of Scotland. | :13:14. | :13:16. | |
Some other places have avoided the showers entirely. The showers will | :13:17. | :13:21. | |
continue into the evening before gradually fading away. For many of | :13:22. | :13:25. | |
us, they will keep going across Scotland and other western parts of | :13:26. | :13:29. | |
the mainland. A fresh night out there. In some rural spots, | :13:30. | :13:34. | |
temperatures down to single figures. It could be bright and sunny where | :13:35. | :13:38. | |
you are, particularly more central and eastern parts. Already showers | :13:39. | :13:43. | |
out west and very murky across the far north-east of Scotland. Showers | :13:44. | :13:48. | |
will develop quite widely, like today, but the distribution will be | :13:49. | :13:53. | |
different. I think you will see an ounce of dry weather in Wales and | :13:54. | :13:56. | |
western England. Touch and go for Glastonbury. Much of the showers | :13:57. | :14:03. | |
should be further east. Some heavy downpours, quite torrential. | :14:04. | :14:06. | |
Northern Ireland is doing OK, mainly dry through the afternoon. Some | :14:07. | :14:12. | |
heavy downpours in Scotland. Misty and cool in the far north-east. On | :14:13. | :14:17. | |
Sunday, we can see a weather system pushing in from the Atlantic. That | :14:18. | :14:22. | |
will spread rain into the more north-western parts. Turning wet | :14:23. | :14:27. | |
across Northern Ireland and that rain pushing into western Scotland | :14:28. | :14:30. | |
and western parts of England and Wales through the second half of the | :14:31. | :14:34. | |
day. Further east, the dry weather hold on. Some decent temperatures in | :14:35. | :14:39. | |
the south-east. That system will make its way down towards the | :14:40. | :14:44. | |
south-east. It brightens up, some sunshine for many of us through | :14:45. | :14:49. | |
Monday. Just the odd shower. Is the weather settling down? Oh, no. As we | :14:50. | :14:54. | |
look towards the middle of next week, things turn increasingly | :14:55. | :14:57. | |
unsettled. We are all going to see some spells of rain in some of that | :14:58. | :14:59. | |
could be pretty heavy. A moment of history as the UK votes | :15:00. | :15:16. | |
to leave the European Union. There was jubilation | :15:17. | :15:19. | |
for activists in the Leave camp But the Remain camp called | :15:20. | :15:21. | |
the outcome a catastrophe as it suffered lower-than-expected support | :15:22. | :15:25. | |
across swathes of the Midlands This morning a visibly emotional | :15:26. | :15:27. | |
David Cameron stood here outside Number 10 with his wife Samantha | :15:28. | :15:35. | |
to announce that he'll step I will do everything I can | :15:36. | :15:37. | |
as Prime Minister to steady the ship But I do not think it would be right | :15:38. | :15:42. | |
for me to try to be the captain that steers our country | :15:43. | :15:49. | |
to its next destination. His main rival from the Vote Leave | :15:50. | :15:52. | |
camp, Boris Johnson, hails a "glorious opportunity" | :15:53. | :15:55. | |
for the UK, but pays tribute I've known David Cameron for a very | :15:56. | :15:59. | |
long time and I believe he's been one of the most extraordinary | :16:00. | :16:05. | |
politicians of our age. The FTSE 100 plunged | :16:06. | :16:12. | |
after the result became clear, The Chancellor and the Bank | :16:13. | :16:15. | |
of England say they're monitoring And questions for the future | :16:16. | :16:19. | |
of the UK too, as Nicola Sturgeon uses Scotland's overwhelming vote | :16:20. | :16:25. | |
to remain to raise the possibility of another referendum | :16:26. | :16:30. | |
on Scottish independence. It is a significant and material | :16:31. | :16:34. | |
change in circumstances, and it is therefore a statement | :16:35. | :16:37. | |
of the obvious that the option of a second referendum | :16:38. | :16:40. | |
must be on the table. The vote has already | :16:41. | :16:45. | |
claimed the scalp of And I live at Westminster, where we | :16:46. | :16:56. | |
are continuing to get reaction politicians of all parties to a | :16:57. | :16:58. | |
momentous 24 hours. After more than 40 years, | :16:59. | :17:15. | |
Britain has voted decisively to end its membership | :17:16. | :17:19. | |
of the European Union. Within hours, David Cameron | :17:20. | :17:22. | |
announced he would be standing He said he'd stay in Number 10 | :17:23. | :17:26. | |
for the next few months but that the country | :17:27. | :17:35. | |
required fresh leadership. He said he would step down in | :17:36. | :17:41. | |
October. Boris Johnson, who campaigned | :17:42. | :17:44. | |
for a Leave vote, said the UK now had a "glorious opportunity" | :17:45. | :17:47. | |
to pass its own laws, set its own taxes and find its voice | :17:48. | :17:49. | |
in the world again. Senior figures in the European Union | :17:50. | :17:52. | |
have called on the UK to act on the vote and leave the EU | :17:53. | :17:56. | |
as soon as possible. Let's take a closer look | :17:57. | :18:00. | |
at the final result, which shows that Leave | :18:01. | :18:05. | |
secured its victory by a margin In total 17.4 million people voted | :18:06. | :18:08. | |
for the UK to leave the EU. That compares with the 16.1 million | :18:09. | :18:13. | |
voters who wanted to remain. More than 72% of those | :18:14. | :18:17. | |
who were eligible to vote did so. In England more than 15 million | :18:18. | :18:22. | |
people voted for the UK to leave the European Union - | :18:23. | :18:26. | |
13.2 million people backed Remain. In Scotland, every voting area came | :18:27. | :18:32. | |
out in favour of Remain ? 62% of Scottish voters backed Remain | :18:33. | :18:36. | |
with 38% backing a Leave vote. In Wales, Leave won over 52% | :18:37. | :18:41. | |
of the vote and secured the most votes in all but five | :18:42. | :18:48. | |
of the 22 counting areas. In Northern Ireland, | :18:49. | :18:52. | |
which shares a land border with the European Union, | :18:53. | :18:59. | |
voters backed Remain with 55% of voters choosing | :19:00. | :19:00. | |
to stay in the EU. We'll have all the reaction | :19:01. | :19:10. | |
from Westminster, the City and from Europe, but first, | :19:11. | :19:14. | |
our political correspondent Carole Walker reports | :19:15. | :19:16. | |
on the dramatic events so far. The people have voted | :19:17. | :19:22. | |
for a new destiny for Britain. This means that the UK has voted | :19:23. | :19:27. | |
to leave the European Union. It is a decision few predicted | :19:28. | :19:30. | |
at the start of this campaign, a decision which has forced | :19:31. | :19:34. | |
the Prime Minister out of office. There was no hiding the emotion | :19:35. | :19:38. | |
as David Cameron, with his wife, The British people have voted | :19:39. | :19:41. | |
to leave the European Union He had fought and lost the battle | :19:42. | :19:48. | |
to persuade the country to stay I fought this campaign in the only | :19:49. | :19:54. | |
way I know how which is to say directly and passionately | :19:55. | :20:01. | |
what I think and feel, But the British people have made | :20:02. | :20:06. | |
a very clear decision to take a different path and as such, | :20:07. | :20:13. | |
I think the country requires fresh leadership to take | :20:14. | :20:18. | |
it in this direction. I will do everything I can | :20:19. | :20:22. | |
as Prime Minister to steady the ship over the coming weeks and months, | :20:23. | :20:26. | |
but I do not think it would be right for me to try to be the captain | :20:27. | :20:30. | |
that steers our country From the moment the results starting | :20:31. | :20:34. | |
coming in, just after midnight, The total number of votes cast | :20:35. | :20:39. | |
in favour of Leave was 82,000. By the end of the night, | :20:40. | :20:49. | |
Leave had won a clean sweep across the north of England, | :20:50. | :20:51. | |
the Midlands, the east London was the only region | :20:52. | :20:54. | |
of England to support The result in Flintshire reflected | :20:55. | :21:00. | |
the outcome across Wales. But Northern Ireland voted | :21:01. | :21:07. | |
to remain in the EU, and Sinn Fein said it | :21:08. | :21:15. | |
intensifies the case for a vote on whether Northern Ireland should | :21:16. | :21:17. | |
leave the United Kingdom. Any decision to take us out of | :21:18. | :21:30. | |
Europe is a big deal. It is a big crisis and we have to face the | :21:31. | :21:32. | |
reality that it is a crisis. And Scotland, as expected, | :21:33. | :21:34. | |
voted by a clear majority Scotland's First Minister said | :21:35. | :21:36. | |
it was democratically unacceptable for it to be taken out of the EU | :21:37. | :21:39. | |
against its will. Scotland does now | :21:40. | :21:43. | |
face that prospect. It is a significant and material | :21:44. | :21:46. | |
change in circumstances and it is therefore, | :21:47. | :21:49. | |
a statement of the obvious that the option of a second | :21:50. | :21:52. | |
referendum must be on the table But at Westminster, jubilant Leave | :21:53. | :21:56. | |
campaigners have been celebrating. Nigel Farage said he was thrilled | :21:57. | :22:03. | |
that the country had decided to break free | :22:04. | :22:06. | |
from what he called a failing, 17 million people have said we must | :22:07. | :22:10. | |
leave the European Union. A Government that | :22:11. | :22:15. | |
gets on with the job. A Government that begins | :22:16. | :22:22. | |
the renegotiation of Boris Johnson struggled | :22:23. | :22:24. | |
through the throng at his home. Then paid tribute to | :22:25. | :22:31. | |
the Prime Minister for his bravery in giving | :22:32. | :22:33. | |
the British people their say. I believe we now have | :22:34. | :22:36. | |
a glorious opportunity. We can pass our laws | :22:37. | :22:39. | |
and set our taxes entirely according We can control our own borders | :22:40. | :22:44. | |
in a way that is not discriminatory but fair and balanced and take | :22:45. | :22:51. | |
the wind out of the sails But in the City, shares plunged | :22:52. | :22:58. | |
and the pound fell dramatically despite all the attempts | :22:59. | :23:00. | |
at reassurance from political leaders and the Bank of England | :23:01. | :23:02. | |
which promised to take whatever measures were necessary | :23:03. | :23:05. | |
to support the economy. And there are now questions over | :23:06. | :23:08. | |
the future of the Labour leader, who has been blamed for a lacklustre | :23:09. | :23:11. | |
campaign to remain in the EU which failed to convince | :23:12. | :23:15. | |
many Labour supporters. Clearly, there are some very | :23:16. | :23:18. | |
difficult days ahead. The value of the pound has already | :23:19. | :23:21. | |
fallen and there will therefore be job consequences as a result | :23:22. | :23:25. | |
of this decision. REPORTER: The Prime | :23:26. | :23:28. | |
Minister has resigned. Now two senior Labour MPs | :23:29. | :23:30. | |
have tabled a motion of no confidence in Mr | :23:31. | :23:42. | |
Corbyn's leadership. I think Jeremy Corbyn should resign | :23:43. | :23:44. | |
as leader of the Labour Party. This was a test of leadership, | :23:45. | :23:46. | |
the European referendum campaign. He was very half-hearted | :23:47. | :23:49. | |
in the leadership he gave But the Shadow Chancellor dismissed | :23:50. | :24:07. | |
the move. About of no confidence is in expression of the views of the | :24:08. | :24:10. | |
party, if people want to challenge him there will be a leadership | :24:11. | :24:14. | |
challenge, there will be an election and I think he will wind it again. | :24:15. | :24:16. | |
For Britain, for Europe as the country embarks | :24:17. | :24:20. | |
on a new and uncertain future outside the EU | :24:21. | :24:23. | |
With me is our chief political correspondent, Vicki Young. | :24:24. | :24:35. | |
We have just been told that Donald Tusk, the president of the European | :24:36. | :24:44. | |
Council, will convene a summit on Wednesday without the UK, that is | :24:45. | :24:49. | |
underlining the scale of what has happened. The reality ticking and | :24:50. | :24:56. | |
quickly, although we know this process will take years, we haven't | :24:57. | :25:00. | |
even got on the first step of the journey, these things are already | :25:01. | :25:05. | |
heading home and thinking back to when David Cameron first promised | :25:06. | :25:08. | |
that referendum, he had no idea it would end like this, but the way | :25:09. | :25:13. | |
Britain trades, talks to the world, the way we travel, all those things | :25:14. | :25:19. | |
will change and we do not know in what way, and LinkedIn with all | :25:20. | :25:25. | |
that, importantly for Britain and the UK is that Nicola Sturgeon today | :25:26. | :25:30. | |
said explicitly that a second referendum on Scottish referendum -- | :25:31. | :25:37. | |
independent is now likely. One Conservative MP said there would be | :25:38. | :25:40. | |
an earthquake on weapon states and all the pieces would go in the air | :25:41. | :25:45. | |
and that has been the case. Underlining the size of the decision | :25:46. | :25:51. | |
and consequences for the UK, let's talk about the consequences for more | :25:52. | :25:57. | |
than one party leader. David Cameron announcing his resignation, it was | :25:58. | :26:02. | |
impossible for him to carry on, he will stay for three months but we | :26:03. | :26:07. | |
are now in a conservative leadership contest and after a night when | :26:08. | :26:11. | |
millions of people have voted on this huge issue, now Tory party | :26:12. | :26:16. | |
members will choose our next Prime Minister. Many people think that | :26:17. | :26:21. | |
will lead to weight general election, and that has got Labour | :26:22. | :26:26. | |
MPs twitchy. They have known since the last election that in many | :26:27. | :26:31. | |
Northern seats, Welsh seats where Labour have had a stronghold, Ukip | :26:32. | :26:36. | |
have been snapping at their heels, so they are rattled, some art | :26:37. | :26:42. | |
calling on Jeremy Corbyn to go, next week they both have a vote of no | :26:43. | :26:47. | |
confidence in him. Boris Johnson today did not sound ecstatic about | :26:48. | :26:51. | |
victory, he was keen to bring some harmony to what has been a divisive | :26:52. | :26:56. | |
concept -- contest, many people are concerned about divisions in the | :26:57. | :27:02. | |
country and he was there making his bid to be the next Prime Minister, | :27:03. | :27:06. | |
but we will have to see who were mergers on that ballot paper. And | :27:07. | :27:11. | |
thank you, Vicki Young. When the result came through this morning, | :27:12. | :27:16. | |
right away the financial markets react did in the tricky volatile | :27:17. | :27:22. | |
way. The pound was plunging, the markets were responding with alarm, | :27:23. | :27:28. | |
but there has been some adjustment during the day. Let's join Victoria | :27:29. | :27:34. | |
frets at the Bank of England. Bring us up to date with what has | :27:35. | :27:42. | |
happened. In terms of the markets, the first reverberations were felt | :27:43. | :27:47. | |
in the heart of the City of London. We saw sterling plunged 10% | :27:48. | :27:51. | |
overnight. We have seen some uptake since then, it is done about 8.5% | :27:52. | :27:58. | |
now, a 30 year low against the dollar. We have seen currency | :27:59. | :28:04. | |
volatility across the board. In terms of the equity markets, we saw | :28:05. | :28:11. | |
the FTSE 100 down at the beginning of trade, house-builders almost 40% | :28:12. | :28:15. | |
down at the start of the day. Banks and retailers have since ticked up a | :28:16. | :28:21. | |
little but they are still pummelled as a result of what we saw today. | :28:22. | :28:26. | |
The FTSE 100 not doing as badly as the FTSE 250 because within the FTSE | :28:27. | :28:31. | |
100 are lots of international countries like GS K and that is seen | :28:32. | :28:38. | |
as a defence of play against what is going on with this vote, so | :28:39. | :28:42. | |
volatility on the markets and interesting that the first thing | :28:43. | :28:47. | |
Governor Mark Carney and the Bank of England did was to try to calm the | :28:48. | :28:51. | |
markets, and it seemed to have some facts. He talked about how well | :28:52. | :28:57. | |
capitalised the banks are, he said the assets are strong and liquid and | :28:58. | :29:03. | |
he is ready to provide 250 billion of additional funding of required | :29:04. | :29:08. | |
that the story of today has been what has happened in terms of | :29:09. | :29:12. | |
sterling and policy response will be determined by the volatility in the | :29:13. | :29:16. | |
value of the pound in the months to come. Victoria, thank you. The | :29:17. | :29:27. | |
decision has prompted many questions about funding across the UK. We will | :29:28. | :29:32. | |
talk about Scotland and the prospect of a second referendum on in the | :29:33. | :29:38. | |
hundreds. In Wales, undisguised alarm in the Welsh government at the | :29:39. | :29:42. | |
prospect of EU funding disappearing and what that means for the Welsh | :29:43. | :29:48. | |
economy. The First Minister was alarmed by the prospects speaking | :29:49. | :29:53. | |
earlier. Let's join Thomas Morgan to hear more about the reaction in | :29:54. | :29:59. | |
Wales. Carwyn Jones speaking here earlier this morning, he said there | :30:00. | :30:03. | |
would need to be some discussion of the Barnett formula, the way Wales | :30:04. | :30:09. | |
is funded from Westminster, now we have left the EU, as Wales get so | :30:10. | :30:15. | |
much funding from Europe, as we are one of the poorest areas of the UK. | :30:16. | :30:21. | |
Many of those areas are in the valleys, they are Labour strongholds | :30:22. | :30:25. | |
and they voted for Brexit in this referendum. Carwyn Jones key to try | :30:26. | :30:32. | |
to find a way to get more funding from Westminster now that funding | :30:33. | :30:37. | |
has gone. If we have a look at the whole of Wales that footed, 17 of 22 | :30:38. | :30:44. | |
constituencies voted for Brexit. There has been some criticism of the | :30:45. | :30:50. | |
Remain campaign here, Plaid Cymru and Lib Dems were campaigning for a | :30:51. | :30:54. | |
Remain vote but some have said they left it too late and they should | :30:55. | :30:58. | |
have realised that after last month's Assembly elections when | :30:59. | :31:02. | |
seventh Ukip members were allowed in here, they should have realised | :31:03. | :31:07. | |
there was a strong vote for Brexit and they could have done or, but | :31:08. | :31:11. | |
Carwyn Jones fearing or future funding for Wales and also | :31:12. | :31:16. | |
commenting there could be fears for jobs in Wales. Thomas, thank you for | :31:17. | :31:26. | |
the latest response in Cardiff. I mentioned Nicola Sturgeon's response | :31:27. | :31:30. | |
today in Scotland, let's join Gavin as in Edinburgh. There is no boat | :31:31. | :31:36. | |
all the parties agree this photo has been a game changer but they don't | :31:37. | :31:42. | |
agree what the game now is. We heard Nicola Sturgeon say it is | :31:43. | :31:46. | |
democratically unacceptable to take Scotland out of the EU without it | :31:47. | :31:51. | |
having voted for it, but what will she do about a second independence | :31:52. | :31:56. | |
referendum because she is moving cautiously, as if she loses that | :31:57. | :32:02. | |
then maybe independence will be off the map for a long time. The Labour | :32:03. | :32:07. | |
Party in Scotland also has its problems and we are joined by Kenzie | :32:08. | :32:15. | |
Dugdale Enda Glasgow studio. A number of Labour people now feel | :32:16. | :32:20. | |
Jeremy Corbyn's leadership has been disastrous for the party. Do you | :32:21. | :32:24. | |
think you have confidence in the leader of the Labour Party? I'm the | :32:25. | :32:30. | |
leader of the Scottish Labour Party and I am reflecting on what is | :32:31. | :32:34. | |
happening as a consequence of the European vote overnight, but that | :32:35. | :32:40. | |
means for independence for Scotland, what that means for jobs and E, May. | :32:41. | :32:45. | |
Does that mean you have no confidence? I am far more concerned | :32:46. | :32:52. | |
about what the reality of coming out of Europe means for working families | :32:53. | :32:57. | |
than about the internal problems the Labour Party may face. This is real | :32:58. | :33:03. | |
and serious and I am angry and upset about Scotland being pulled out of | :33:04. | :33:07. | |
the EU and I am furious at the Tories. This is a referendum that | :33:08. | :33:14. | |
didn't need to happen. It started 18 months ago, the day after the | :33:15. | :33:17. | |
Scottish independence referendum, when David Cameron embarked on | :33:18. | :33:23. | |
English votes for English laws, and Ruth Davidson ran a dishonest | :33:24. | :33:28. | |
campaign saying only Tories could protect the union. Jeremy Corbyn's | :33:29. | :33:35. | |
and leadership is surely in question now, is it not? I do not believe so. | :33:36. | :33:42. | |
The Labour Party has produced a strong vote for Remain in many parts | :33:43. | :33:47. | |
of the country, the Tory vote is split and that has led to a divided | :33:48. | :33:53. | |
result. The Tories are responsible for this referendum. They have | :33:54. | :33:58. | |
divided this country and are not in a position to steal it. I want to be | :33:59. | :34:04. | |
part of the UK and part of Europe and the Tories are forcing me to | :34:05. | :34:09. | |
choose between those two things, it is dishonest and thousands of people | :34:10. | :34:14. | |
in Scotland are angry at them. If you have to choose between those | :34:15. | :34:19. | |
things, which would you choose? Would you rather see an independent | :34:20. | :34:24. | |
Scotland in the EU or not, would you change your vote on independence? | :34:25. | :34:28. | |
The Labour Party's manifesto approved by the party said we would | :34:29. | :34:34. | |
rule out a second independence referendum in the next Parliament. | :34:35. | :34:39. | |
We will not change that position but on the question of independence, if | :34:40. | :34:45. | |
we revisit this argument, some of those fundamental questions we faced | :34:46. | :34:49. | |
in 2014 about currency, the money we would use, are even greater now, so | :34:50. | :34:55. | |
if there will be an overwhelming argument for a new independence | :34:56. | :35:00. | |
debate, the answers to those questions have to be found and that | :35:01. | :35:05. | |
is for the First Minister and those who believe in the yes case, but we | :35:06. | :35:10. | |
are now wait with two sets of chaos. The idea of Scotland and the UK are | :35:11. | :35:15. | |
leaving the EU and did devastating effect that has had on families and | :35:16. | :35:20. | |
markets today, and the chaos of Scotland then withdraw from the UK, | :35:21. | :35:25. | |
we need some breathing space, some camp to fully digest this response | :35:26. | :35:31. | |
and what it needs but I could do with an apology from the Tories as | :35:32. | :35:42. | |
well. Thank you, Kezia Dugdale. The Conservatives have their own | :35:43. | :35:47. | |
problems. Ruth Davidson has got big questions are about who she will | :35:48. | :35:49. | |
support in a future leadership contest and what the Scottish | :35:50. | :35:56. | |
Conservative Party's ruled will be within the national party. | :35:57. | :36:03. | |
Thank you, Gavin. That is Scotland, we have discussed where else, its | :36:04. | :36:09. | |
Northern Ireland a different dimension because it has a land | :36:10. | :36:14. | |
border with another EU member state, which adds another there of | :36:15. | :36:19. | |
complexity to the debate. That's join Chris Buckler in Newry with | :36:20. | :36:26. | |
some thoughts on the response. Like Scotland, Northern Ireland did vote | :36:27. | :36:31. | |
for a Remain but it is a UK wide vote that matters and people are | :36:32. | :36:35. | |
having to address those questions like what will happen to the border. | :36:36. | :36:40. | |
Could there be a return of customs checkpoints? That matters any lace | :36:41. | :36:47. | |
like your rate -- a place like Newry, lots of cross-border routes, | :36:48. | :36:51. | |
people accept pounds or Euro and custom from either side of the | :36:52. | :36:58. | |
border. Today Northern Ireland's First Minister Arlene Foster, one of | :36:59. | :37:04. | |
the big voices in the Leave campaign, said there was an | :37:05. | :37:09. | |
opportunity for the economy but Republicans see an opportunity as | :37:10. | :37:13. | |
well, Sinn Fein are seeing the push in Scotland for a second | :37:14. | :37:17. | |
independence referendum and Martin McGuinness said he would like to see | :37:18. | :37:23. | |
a border poll referendum on a united Ireland taking place here. There has | :37:24. | :37:28. | |
been one immediate consequence of the vote today, there are Northern | :37:29. | :37:34. | |
Ireland because of the Good Friday Agreement people are entitled to | :37:35. | :37:37. | |
dual citizenship as both British and Irish, and a British and Irish | :37:38. | :37:43. | |
passport. To date in a number of places, including unionist areas, | :37:44. | :37:48. | |
there has been a rush for applications for Irish passports. It | :37:49. | :37:53. | |
is an interesting result because an Irish passport will Remain an EU | :37:54. | :38:02. | |
passport. Thank you, Chris Buckler with the latest on the situation in | :38:03. | :38:08. | |
Northern Ireland. We had a response this afternoon from the Polish | :38:09. | :38:13. | |
ambassador to the UK, we will hear from him soon, expressing regret | :38:14. | :38:19. | |
that respecting the decision, and representing the view of lots of | :38:20. | :38:24. | |
other European states who have not hidden their disappointment but site | :38:25. | :38:28. | |
they respect the outcome and they want the transition to be smooth and | :38:29. | :38:30. | |
as quick as possible. For more on the impact that | :38:31. | :38:33. | |
Britain's decision will have on the remaining EU member states, | :38:34. | :38:36. | |
let's turn to Matthew Amroliwala, You used that phrase and we have | :38:37. | :38:47. | |
heard it so many times from EU leaders, careful in their language | :38:48. | :38:53. | |
and repeating they regret the decision but respect that. We heard | :38:54. | :38:57. | |
it from EC President Jean-Claude Yunker, but he went on to get to the | :38:58. | :39:03. | |
nub of it with some difficult decisions because he said any delay | :39:04. | :39:09. | |
would prolong the uncertainty, we have rules to deal with this in an | :39:10. | :39:13. | |
orderly way because there is a consensus under that moderate | :39:14. | :39:19. | |
language, determination to get on with the negotiations for a Brexit. | :39:20. | :39:25. | |
As Martin Short said today, Leave is Leave and now the European bigwigs | :39:26. | :39:30. | |
want to get on with negotiating that -- Martin Shultz. That is different | :39:31. | :39:39. | |
to the timeline set out by David Cameron, so immediately you get a | :39:40. | :39:42. | |
sense of the tension this decision has caused. Matthew, thank you, with | :39:43. | :39:52. | |
the latest in Brussels were the European Commission is waste and | :39:53. | :39:58. | |
where they are looking at the plans and complexity of those plans. I | :39:59. | :40:04. | |
mentioned there is a summit next week, Donald Tusk has already said | :40:05. | :40:10. | |
the 27 member states will meet next Wednesday, not 28th because Britain | :40:11. | :40:15. | |
will not take part in that session to discuss the way ahead. I spoke to | :40:16. | :40:21. | |
the Polish ambassador to London earlier and I asked him to explain | :40:22. | :40:25. | |
to me what the Polish community's reaction to the result had been. We | :40:26. | :40:32. | |
have always said we respect any kind of democratic verdict of the British | :40:33. | :40:36. | |
electorate and this is what happened, so we are unhappy, we | :40:37. | :40:43. | |
regret we will lose the UK at the table in the EU, the UK has always | :40:44. | :40:52. | |
resented similar views to my country, so this is a loss but we | :40:53. | :40:58. | |
respect that and we hope now that negotiations will be mutually | :40:59. | :41:03. | |
beneficial and they will also lead to the respect of the acquired | :41:04. | :41:09. | |
rights of people from Poland who were here contributing to the | :41:10. | :41:13. | |
prosperity of this country. You followed the campaign closely and I | :41:14. | :41:18. | |
wonder what you made of the fact that immigration became such a | :41:19. | :41:22. | |
dominant feature of the campaign in the closing weeks. I think there | :41:23. | :41:28. | |
were a lot of misconceptions. I'd then the decision to open the labour | :41:29. | :41:33. | |
market in 2004 was an excellent decision for this country because a | :41:34. | :41:38. | |
lot of people came there and they work for hospitals in the NHS, old | :41:39. | :41:45. | |
peoples homes, restaurants and hotels in the of London, so they | :41:46. | :41:51. | |
contribute to the prosperity of this country, they pay taxes, they do not | :41:52. | :41:56. | |
misused the system and they tried to integrate as well as possible. In | :41:57. | :42:02. | |
your contact with Polish people in the UK in the last 24 hours, our | :42:03. | :42:07. | |
people concerned about their own positions? Yes, very concerned that | :42:08. | :42:12. | |
what we tell our citizens is that first of all Britain will have to | :42:13. | :42:19. | |
present a letter with Article 50 explaining what Britain is going to | :42:20. | :42:25. | |
do, how to start negotiations with the EU, and then for at least two | :42:26. | :42:31. | |
years Britain will be juicy yet, so for at least two wonder half years | :42:32. | :42:35. | |
Britain will stay in the EU so nothing will change. The response | :42:36. | :42:42. | |
from the Polish ambassador to the UK, talking to me and summarising | :42:43. | :42:49. | |
the response from Poland and a few other European member states. | :42:50. | :42:54. | |
Coverage continues here on the BBC News Channel and in half an hour we | :42:55. | :43:00. | |
will have BBC News At Six with Fiona here in Downing Street, but in the | :43:01. | :43:04. | |
meantime on the sunny evening, let's get the latest weather. | :43:05. | :43:10. | |
Sunshine in Downing Street and for some of us back home, but not for | :43:11. | :43:16. | |
all, it has been sunny one minute, web the next. We have had heavy | :43:17. | :43:22. | |
downpours across Northern and western parts of the UK, the | :43:23. | :43:28. | |
majority have caught a shower at some stage, most intense across | :43:29. | :43:32. | |
Scotland, they will linger into the night across the heart of Scotland, | :43:33. | :43:36. | |
one to keeping going across western parts of England and Wales but many | :43:37. | :43:43. | |
places turning dry, a fresh night with rural spots' was, so they | :43:44. | :43:47. | |
cooled tart to Saturday, some showers dotted around and they will | :43:48. | :43:52. | |
be widespread in the afternoon. If you stayed dry today you might get a | :43:53. | :43:59. | |
downpour on Saturday and vice versa. Increasing amounts of showers across | :44:00. | :44:03. | |
central and eastern areas but brightening up further west, | :44:04. | :44:07. | |
Northern Ireland not doing too badly. Looking ahead it stays | :44:08. | :44:12. | |
unsettled with room for all of us over the next few days. -- with rain | :44:13. | :44:15. | |
for all of us. This is BBC News - | :44:16. | :45:18. | |
you're watching a special EU referendum programme with me Jane | :45:19. | :45:21. | |
Hill. The United Kingdom is digesting | :45:22. | :45:28. | |
the implications of the decision to leave the European Union | :45:29. | :45:30. | |
after four decades. The Leave campaign won last night's | :45:31. | :45:32. | |
referendum by 52% to 48%. David Cameron - who campaigned hard | :45:33. | :45:42. | |
to remain in the EU - has announced he is stepping down | :45:43. | :45:45. | |
as Prime Minister. He says fresh leadership is needed | :45:46. | :45:47. | |
to negotiate the UK's exit. I will do everything I can as Prime | :45:48. | :45:58. | |
Minister to steady the ship over the coming weeks and months. But I do | :45:59. | :46:03. | |
not think it would be right for me to try to be the captain that steers | :46:04. | :46:09. | |
our country to its next destination. A leading figure in the exit | :46:10. | :46:13. | |
campaign Boris Johnson pays tribute to the outgoing Prime Minister as | :46:14. | :46:16. | |
one of the most extraordinary politicians of our age, but hailed | :46:17. | :46:22. | |
the Leave victory as a glorious opportunity for the UK. | :46:23. | :46:25. | |
I believe we have the glorious opportunity now. We can pass our | :46:26. | :46:31. | |
laws, set our taxes according to the needs of the UK economy. We can | :46:32. | :46:37. | |
control our own borders in a way that is not discriminatory. | :46:38. | :46:40. | |
There are questions for the future of the UK too - | :46:41. | :46:42. | |
as Nicola Sturgeon used Scotland's overwhelming vote to remain - | :46:43. | :46:45. | |
to raise the possibility of another referendum on Scottish independence. | :46:46. | :46:51. | |
It is a significant and material change in circumstances, and it is | :46:52. | :46:57. | |
therefore a statement of the obvious that the option of a second | :46:58. | :46:59. | |
referendum must be on the table. Senior figures in the European Union | :47:00. | :47:02. | |
have called on the UK to act on the referendum vote to leave | :47:03. | :47:05. | |
the EU as soon as possible, not wanting lengthy separation | :47:06. | :47:08. | |
negotiations to prolong uncertainty. Sterling suffered its biggest ever | :47:09. | :47:15. | |
one-day fall and billions of pounds were wiped off the value of British | :47:16. | :47:18. | |
companies on the stock market. Share prices on Wall Street have | :47:19. | :47:21. | |
also fallen in the wake Hello and good afternoon from | :47:22. | :47:42. | |
Westminster. After that seismic vote, political reaction is | :47:43. | :47:45. | |
continuing to filter through this afternoon, both to the decision to | :47:46. | :47:51. | |
leave the EU and to the Prime Minister's announcement of his | :47:52. | :47:52. | |
resignation. I can speak to Labour MP Cat Smith | :47:53. | :47:55. | |
who backed the Remain campaign. She is the MP for Lancaster and | :47:56. | :48:00. | |
Fleetwood. Good afternoon, Kat Smith, I hope | :48:01. | :48:18. | |
you can hear me where you are. -- Cat Smith.. Let's talk about the | :48:19. | :48:22. | |
no-confidence letter about your leader Jeremy Corbyn. Does he take | :48:23. | :48:26. | |
some responsibility for the result of this vote? Well, I would say that | :48:27. | :48:32. | |
all MPs in the Parliamentary Labour Party do have the right to table a | :48:33. | :48:36. | |
motion of no-confidence in the leader, of course, but I don't think | :48:37. | :48:41. | |
it's deserved in this case, Jeremy Corbyn campaign flat-out for a | :48:42. | :48:45. | |
Remain vote, as did the vast majority of the Parliament we Labour | :48:46. | :48:48. | |
Party and Labour MPs up and down the country who worked hard. | :48:49. | :48:52. | |
Unfortunately what we campaign for wasn't to be but we respect the | :48:53. | :48:57. | |
outcome of the referendum and going forwards we need a united Labour | :48:58. | :49:01. | |
Party defending the best interests frankly of working people in this | :49:02. | :49:04. | |
country. With what we have seen on the news today it's important people | :49:05. | :49:07. | |
can have security in their jobs, pensions and savings. Given the | :49:08. | :49:12. | |
Conservative Party is in disarray that forces the Labour Party to | :49:13. | :49:16. | |
unify and provide stability for the British public. John Spellar is | :49:17. | :49:20. | |
among those who has just added his name to that. We've already heard | :49:21. | :49:26. | |
from Stephen Tulloch. These are senior people supporting that, and | :49:27. | :49:29. | |
you say he campaign flat-out but it was really only in the latter stages | :49:30. | :49:34. | |
of the campaign that he was there as a leader, asking Labour voters to | :49:35. | :49:39. | |
remain. That wasn't consistent throughout the campaign, and clearly | :49:40. | :49:43. | |
a lot of members of your party feel that way. I disagree. I would say | :49:44. | :49:50. | |
Jeremy Corbyn, from the moment he was elected as the leader of the | :49:51. | :49:54. | |
Labour Party was very clear, he was leading a Labour Party campaigning | :49:55. | :49:57. | |
for a remain vote in that referendum. Because so much of the | :49:58. | :50:02. | |
media coverage was taken up with the blue on blue Conservative infighting | :50:03. | :50:06. | |
it was very hard for the Labour leader to get the coverage of what | :50:07. | :50:09. | |
he was doing up and down the country. I saw Jeremy's diary and | :50:10. | :50:14. | |
every day he was working flat out for Remain and if that didn't come | :50:15. | :50:18. | |
across in the media I would suggest that's not the of Jeremy Corbyn. | :50:19. | :50:23. | |
We have talked a lot about the geographical breakdown of the vote, | :50:24. | :50:29. | |
we talked a lot about Scotland and London. But it's clear that in many | :50:30. | :50:37. | |
Labour heartlands, the North, the Midlands, Labour's core voters | :50:38. | :50:41. | |
didn't follow the route that you and Jeremy Corbyn wanted to take, so | :50:42. | :50:44. | |
what is going on there? Why did those people not follow what he said | :50:45. | :50:49. | |
and what you are saying you wanted in that vote? Far more Labour voters | :50:50. | :50:56. | |
came with the Labour leadership than the Tory voters went with the Tories | :50:57. | :51:01. | |
on this matter. I think you are talking about the breakdown in | :51:02. | :51:04. | |
voters. What was clear from this referendum is that young people, the | :51:05. | :51:09. | |
under 50s, were voting for remain and older voters were more likely to | :51:10. | :51:12. | |
turn up at the polling stations who have predominantly been voting for | :51:13. | :51:17. | |
Brexit. Here at Glastonbury it's very clear speaking to people around | :51:18. | :51:21. | |
the festival that there is a generation that feels quite hard | :51:22. | :51:24. | |
done by by the outcome of this referendum and quite let down by | :51:25. | :51:28. | |
politics as a whole and that is where the Labour Party under Jeremy | :51:29. | :51:32. | |
Corbyn can reach out to a group of voters who have for a long time have | :51:33. | :51:35. | |
felt they have had no stake in politics. Cat Smith. We will leave | :51:36. | :51:43. | |
it there, the Labour MP for Lancaster and Fleetwood. We were | :51:44. | :51:46. | |
talking about the geographical breakdown. | :51:47. | :51:48. | |
Let's give you a proper breakdown of how the | :51:49. | :51:50. | |
We can see how the different parts of the UK voted yesterday. | :51:51. | :51:55. | |
Christian Fraser has been looking through the numbers. | :51:56. | :51:58. | |
Let me show you in a little more detail the numbers and final result | :51:59. | :52:04. | |
across the four nations of the UK. We will start with England, shall | :52:05. | :52:10. | |
we? You can see the turnout was very high, 28 million people voted across | :52:11. | :52:15. | |
England, the highest turnout, 73%, since 1992, so nearly 25 years. | :52:16. | :52:21. | |
Parts of the country that don't normally get involved in the | :52:22. | :52:23. | |
political process coming out to vote, which has made a huge | :52:24. | :52:27. | |
difference, as you can see in the central belts of England, and in | :52:28. | :52:32. | |
this northern, Northwest area, where Labour are traditionally so strong. | :52:33. | :52:37. | |
The isolated bits of yellow are the metropolitan areas, Liverpool, | :52:38. | :52:39. | |
Manchester, the wealthier parts of Yorkshire, Leeds, Harrogate, and up | :52:40. | :52:45. | |
here, Newcastle in the north-east, although not by as big a margin as | :52:46. | :52:51. | |
Remain hoped-for up there. London almost overall in London went for | :52:52. | :52:55. | |
Remain as we expected but not so across the south-east, big slugs of | :52:56. | :53:02. | |
Kent also in blue. Let's have a look at the picture in Scotland because | :53:03. | :53:06. | |
it's very different, all 32 voting areas going for Remain. The turnout | :53:07. | :53:11. | |
was 2.8 million people in Scotland, slightly lower than the UK average, | :53:12. | :53:15. | |
which may be because of the number of votes they've hard in the last | :53:16. | :53:20. | |
few years, they've been to the polls four Times. Edinburgh, 74% for | :53:21. | :53:27. | |
Remain, which opens at this whole discussion about a second | :53:28. | :53:31. | |
independence vote in Scotland. Similar discussion now going on in | :53:32. | :53:34. | |
Northern Ireland, were again they have voted for Remain. 790,000 | :53:35. | :53:41. | |
voters, it is a low turnout. This is an interesting area, one of the top | :53:42. | :53:47. | |
five Remain areas in the UK. North Antrim not far away was one of the | :53:48. | :53:53. | |
top Leave areas in the UK. Three out of four areas in hell fast going for | :53:54. | :53:58. | |
Remain. Let me show you another picture again in Wales, just five of | :53:59. | :54:05. | |
the 22 voting areas in Wales going for remain. Cardiff did that Swansea | :54:06. | :54:12. | |
didn't. Some of the other key Labour areas, Merthyr Tydfil, Newport and | :54:13. | :54:16. | |
carefully, going towards Leave. Let me show you for a second five areas | :54:17. | :54:23. | |
that went for Leave in the country -- carefully. Boston in | :54:24. | :54:29. | |
Lincolnshire, 75%. According to the 2011 census it had the biggest | :54:30. | :54:36. | |
Eastern European migrants in England and Wales. Top of the pile. South | :54:37. | :54:41. | |
Holland, Castle Point am a these areas have big support for Ukip, | :54:42. | :54:46. | |
Great Yarmouth has a Ukip mayor. The top five in Remain, not altogether | :54:47. | :54:50. | |
surprising in Gibraltar, almost universal support. The London | :54:51. | :54:58. | |
boroughs of Lambeth, Hackney and Haringey and Foyle. This is called a | :54:59. | :55:01. | |
heat map, the areas in darker blue, those are the areas that when most | :55:02. | :55:06. | |
for Leave. In the east of the country, the East Riding of | :55:07. | :55:08. | |
Yorkshire, we talked about Lincolnshire, Great Yarmouth down | :55:09. | :55:13. | |
here, but other parts of the country as well, North Antrim over here in | :55:14. | :55:19. | |
dark blue. This is a similar sort of map for Remain, the darker orange | :55:20. | :55:23. | |
areas, the central belt of Scotland and central aisles and the Orkney | :55:24. | :55:28. | |
Islands, and down here you have Cambridgeshire, London and then | :55:29. | :55:33. | |
other little spots down here, bright and down at the bottom. That gives | :55:34. | :55:37. | |
you a little picture of how the country was divided. We are also | :55:38. | :55:40. | |
starting to see some information that maybe there was a generational | :55:41. | :55:45. | |
split as well. We hope to season detail on that as the days go by but | :55:46. | :55:50. | |
certainly younger people voting more for the Maine. If you want to look | :55:51. | :55:54. | |
at the details they are on the website, www. Bbc.co.uk/ news. -- | :55:55. | :56:03. | |
Remain. In Hartlepool 70% of people wanted | :56:04. | :56:06. | |
to leave the European Union. Fiona Trott has been | :56:07. | :56:12. | |
meeting with some of them. In Hartlepool seven out of ten | :56:13. | :56:18. | |
people backed the Brexit and the turnout was higher than in the | :56:19. | :56:21. | |
General Election, so why do people want to leave? Money, money, more | :56:22. | :56:29. | |
money, we paid more money in and get less out, the National Health | :56:30. | :56:32. | |
Service is a leading point because of immigrants and the schools are at | :56:33. | :56:36. | |
breaking point. More money for the NHS and British instead of these | :56:37. | :56:41. | |
other countries. So you voted Leave, you don't know why? No. Do you think | :56:42. | :56:50. | |
you are just fed up? I'm fed up of Cameron. I don't think Cameron has | :56:51. | :56:54. | |
done anybody any favours. That's why most of the people voted Leave, more | :56:55. | :57:01. | |
against him than anything really. How do you think your life will be | :57:02. | :57:05. | |
improved by being out of Europe? I honestly don't know, I'll just have | :57:06. | :57:10. | |
to wait and see. I think we should have stayed in and I'm really so | :57:11. | :57:14. | |
Dummett upset about it. You are the only person I've met so far today | :57:15. | :57:20. | |
that voted Remain. How do you feel? I feel awful, living in Hartlepool | :57:21. | :57:24. | |
at the moment I want to leave, I want to leave the country and moved | :57:25. | :57:28. | |
to Scotland. We are on our own and that is how it needs to stay, we are | :57:29. | :57:33. | |
better on our own, the others will do the same. I'm not worried, one | :57:34. | :57:38. | |
door closes and another opens, so that is my motto on the let's go for | :57:39. | :57:43. | |
it. 9.4% of people in Hartlepool are unemployed and you get a real | :57:44. | :57:47. | |
feeling that this was a protest vote. That's why many people are | :57:48. | :57:49. | |
pleased with the referendum result and are pleased David Cameron is | :57:50. | :57:51. | |
resigning. Robert Hall is in the Fenland town | :57:52. | :57:57. | |
of Wisbech where more than 70% of the electorate voted | :57:58. | :58:00. | |
for a withdrawal from the EU. Blue skies above Wisbech, at least | :58:01. | :58:13. | |
for some of the time this afternoon and smiles at you much all of the | :58:14. | :58:18. | |
time on the faces of the pro-Brexit voters this morning. Immigration is | :58:19. | :58:22. | |
a big issue here. About a third of the town's population are from | :58:23. | :58:25. | |
Eastern Europe, they've been arriving over the last ten years or | :58:26. | :58:29. | |
so, Latvians, Lithuanians, Polish people. Those voices in the town | :58:30. | :58:36. | |
square. People here say that immigration, the rush of new | :58:37. | :58:39. | |
population has happened too fast, faster than local services can cope | :58:40. | :58:43. | |
with. Talking to people that seems to me to be the main reason why | :58:44. | :58:47. | |
people voted in the numbers that they did. It wasn't so much on the | :58:48. | :58:51. | |
wider issues. Let's talk to a man who wasn't necessarily talking this | :58:52. | :58:56. | |
morning, an estate agent in the town and a Remain voter. What were your | :58:57. | :59:01. | |
thoughts this morning knowing the background to the voting here? | :59:02. | :59:06. | |
Knowing the polls and when the polling stations closed, predicting | :59:07. | :59:09. | |
a slight windfall Remain I was surprised when it moved the other | :59:10. | :59:13. | |
way during the night. I mentioned local issues and gave a brief | :59:14. | :59:18. | |
thumbnail sketch, is this fought on local issues? I think it has been | :59:19. | :59:24. | |
fought on that, there is concern locally about the effects of | :59:25. | :59:27. | |
immigration and being in Europe and the loss of control in terms of the | :59:28. | :59:31. | |
day-to-day lives of people here. Not everyone holds the same view, but | :59:32. | :59:35. | |
that has been the main concern that led to the vote going the way it | :59:36. | :59:40. | |
has. I'm sure you have been sitting in your office, perhaps at home this | :59:41. | :59:43. | |
morning wondering what happens now. What do your instincts tell you | :59:44. | :59:46. | |
about the term that things might go in now? The big concern was the | :59:47. | :59:53. | |
uncertainty that happens, we seem to have a vacuum, both economic and | :59:54. | :59:57. | |
political vacuum for a period of time and uncertainty as to where the | :59:58. | :00:01. | |
economy will go over the last 12 - 48 months as Brexit terms are | :00:02. | :00:08. | |
negotiated. Do you see at Brexit vote as a solution for Wisbech and | :00:09. | :00:13. | |
fenland? Loss of things influencing people to vote Brexit were not | :00:14. | :00:17. | |
directly related to Europe. Europe has been far from perfect for this | :00:18. | :00:21. | |
country and there has been too much red tape and too much control, but I | :00:22. | :00:25. | |
think a lot of the things, immigration, immigrants will stay | :00:26. | :00:28. | |
here because they are settled and have jobs locally and will probably | :00:29. | :00:33. | |
remain even when we do leave the EU. We have been chatting about this all | :00:34. | :00:37. | |
day. At the moment we are hearing strong voices out of Europe. Can you | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
see that continuing, or will pragmatism creep in this matter it | :00:42. | :00:46. | |
has put uncertainty in the minds Dummett minds in Europe in general | :00:47. | :00:52. | |
and the threat to this country, business uncertainty and uncertainty | :00:53. | :00:55. | |
with where interest rates go. In my business back and affect mortgages | :00:56. | :00:59. | |
and things of that nature, and certainly on business investment | :01:00. | :01:02. | |
because of interest rates. I think we've got to wait and see for a | :01:03. | :01:07. | |
period to see if it stabilises and then where people are trying to lead | :01:08. | :01:10. | |
us. Thank you for joining us. Wisbech and Fenland have cast their | :01:11. | :01:16. | |
votes, but the real impact of that, none of us really know and the | :01:17. | :01:19. | |
residents won't know for quite a while yet here. | :01:20. | :01:28. | |
Robert Hall in Wisbech, thank you. The columnist for the Mail on Sunday | :01:29. | :01:34. | |
Peter Hitchens is alongside me, Anushka Asthana, of the Guardian | :01:35. | :01:39. | |
newspaper. Welcome both. Peter Hitchens, I've interviewed quite a | :01:40. | :01:42. | |
few Outer voters who thought they would win, but they are still quite | :01:43. | :01:49. | |
shocked. You are less shocked from what I've been reading. I thought | :01:50. | :01:53. | |
for several weeks it would be an Outer vote on and as soon as I | :01:54. | :01:58. | |
realised that the Labour vote, the working class vote, was swinging | :01:59. | :02:03. | |
heavily for Outer I thought the company is on of them with the old | :02:04. | :02:06. | |
Tories would win it and that is what happened. That is one of the key | :02:07. | :02:10. | |
issues for you, the collapse for Labour? It is not the collapse for | :02:11. | :02:16. | |
Labour, it is a reappearance. Their leader said I think you should vote | :02:17. | :02:20. | |
in but they didn't. It's a reappearance of something that died, | :02:21. | :02:24. | |
the old conservative patriot part of the Labour Party which has been | :02:25. | :02:27. | |
suppressed and ignored by Blairites and the leadership for years and | :02:28. | :02:33. | |
here it found a way to express itself also in a normal election it | :02:34. | :02:36. | |
was loyal to Labour, at either didn't vote for Labour but not Tory, | :02:37. | :02:42. | |
but on this case it could give a serious kicking to people it didn't | :02:43. | :02:47. | |
like. It is extraordinary. I always thought there was a great | :02:48. | :02:51. | |
possibility in this country for a coalition of that vote and the | :02:52. | :02:53. | |
socially conservative Tories who have been similarly sidelined by | :02:54. | :02:57. | |
their Blairite leadership, and it has happened so the Blairites are on | :02:58. | :03:01. | |
the run, good for anyone's point of view. Anushka Asthana? Something | :03:02. | :03:07. | |
clearly happened for the Labour Party, 210 plus of its MPs | :03:08. | :03:11. | |
campaigning to stay in the EU and lots of people in the Labour | :03:12. | :03:16. | |
heartlands voting out. I spent time recently around the country in the | :03:17. | :03:20. | |
Labour heartlands talking about immigration and everywhere you went | :03:21. | :03:24. | |
people were shouting for Out. I wasn't sure in the final few days | :03:25. | :03:27. | |
that was the way the vote was going to go because I was back here and | :03:28. | :03:31. | |
there was a mood and Downing Street were quite confident and they | :03:32. | :03:34. | |
thought they would win. In the early hours of the morning the advisers in | :03:35. | :03:39. | |
Downing Street, the Labour advisers were close to tears, they are | :03:40. | :03:42. | |
absolutely devastated by what we have seen. That's really good to | :03:43. | :03:47. | |
know that those people who have been systematically ignoring their own | :03:48. | :03:50. | |
voters and supporters for so long and comical to see a political party | :03:51. | :03:56. | |
for almost all of their MPs disagree so profoundly on an important issue | :03:57. | :04:01. | |
with the voters. It's amazing this thing has been revealed that we have | :04:02. | :04:05. | |
two political parties, the Conservatives and Labour Party, who | :04:06. | :04:08. | |
disagree profoundly with more than half of the electorate on a 72% | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
turnout. How come our major political parties are so completely | :04:14. | :04:16. | |
out of touch with the people who keep them in office? It's amazing. | :04:17. | :04:21. | |
If it is that fundamental... It is that fundamental. What ought to | :04:22. | :04:26. | |
change? Both of those parties which are both political corpses prop each | :04:27. | :04:32. | |
other up with their own rigor mortis collapse and be replaced by parties | :04:33. | :04:36. | |
which reflect the real divisions in the country. That something that | :04:37. | :04:40. | |
doesn't happen quickly. That is what ought to happen because it's the | :04:41. | :04:43. | |
most important development. In the near future, starting with Labour, | :04:44. | :04:48. | |
Jeremy Corbyn, we have the letter talking about no-confidence, John | :04:49. | :04:51. | |
Spellar and Stephen Tulloch adding to that in the last hour, will he go | :04:52. | :04:56. | |
next week? Could it be that quick? The recriminations are flying, we | :04:57. | :05:03. | |
will have these at the PLP meeting on Monday, or it might be next week | :05:04. | :05:06. | |
if they need longer -- Stephen Kinnock. You would suspect the | :05:07. | :05:13. | |
majority of MPs will want him gone and the Labour membership disagrees. | :05:14. | :05:16. | |
There is a fight over who is to blame, some Labour sources say | :05:17. | :05:22. | |
Corbyn's aides were trying to sabotage the pro-EU campaign and his | :05:23. | :05:27. | |
side say they tried really hard and were closer to what the public | :05:28. | :05:31. | |
wanted. The thing we know is Jeremy Corbyn does not want to go anywhere | :05:32. | :05:34. | |
and he will fight any attempt to depose him. It is not clear whether | :05:35. | :05:37. | |
it is constitutionally accessible for them to try to remove him. It's | :05:38. | :05:44. | |
not just about this referendum, some people wanted Jeremy Corbyn Don | :05:45. | :05:47. | |
Foster what a while, MPs, and what they say or feel is they cannot win | :05:48. | :05:51. | |
a General Election with him as a leader and they don't want to lose | :05:52. | :05:56. | |
their jobs, clearly eager to please. They cannot win a General Election | :05:57. | :05:59. | |
without him either, that's the problem. The parliament we Labour | :06:00. | :06:02. | |
Party want to get rid of Jeremy Corbyn, that is what they spend | :06:03. | :06:05. | |
their lives doing, they have almost no other form of activity but this | :06:06. | :06:08. | |
is just another pretext. Jeremy Corbyn is closer to the Labour | :06:09. | :06:13. | |
voters on this than they are. Well... In truth he's been Dummett | :06:14. | :06:19. | |
against the European Union for most of his career and truer to the | :06:20. | :06:25. | |
voters than they are. Why don't they all resign? They've just established | :06:26. | :06:29. | |
beyond doubt that they don't speak for their own voters. Let's talk | :06:30. | :06:32. | |
about the Conservative Party. Yes, let's! I dislike them even more! | :06:33. | :06:39. | |
This is where it all began, David Cameron promised a referendum and | :06:40. | :06:42. | |
that has lost him his job, or it will do come October. These big | :06:43. | :06:46. | |
beasts of the Cabinet who are so split, what happens? Do they work | :06:47. | :06:51. | |
together? This is a dead party, it's just proved beyond doubt that this | :06:52. | :06:55. | |
party does not speak for its own voters. But for now it is in | :06:56. | :06:59. | |
government, what does it do for the next few months? It is there by | :07:00. | :07:03. | |
virtue of broadcasting rules which give it the prominence it doesn't | :07:04. | :07:06. | |
deserve with money supplied to it by various dodgy billionaires. It has | :07:07. | :07:12. | |
no true popular support. What we need now is a General Election in | :07:13. | :07:17. | |
which the two parties which have formed in a sort of ghostly fashion | :07:18. | :07:22. | |
in the past few weeks, the exit and remain parties fight each other | :07:23. | :07:25. | |
because they much more truly represent the division in this | :07:26. | :07:28. | |
country than the Tory and Labour parties which are almost the same | :07:29. | :07:31. | |
thing, both Blairites and they agree with each other far more than they | :07:32. | :07:35. | |
disagree with each other and we have established that both of those | :07:36. | :07:38. | |
parties disagree with the people. Maybe they will want you instead. | :07:39. | :07:45. | |
May be, they certainly don't want the two main parties. We have to | :07:46. | :07:49. | |
leave it there. Thank you for now, plenty more to come, including over | :07:50. | :07:52. | |
the weekend, I'm sure. Thank you for joining us. Just to tell you that | :07:53. | :07:58. | |
coming up at 7pm this evening you can see a special programme with | :07:59. | :08:02. | |
Nick Robinson looking at the events of the last 24 hours The Big | :08:03. | :08:08. | |
Decision, taking stock of an extraordinary period, that is a work | :08:09. | :08:11. | |
that is going to be overused! For now we leave you with a reminder of | :08:12. | :08:16. | |
what has happened here today. At 4:40am we can now say that the | :08:17. | :08:22. | |
decision taken in 1975 by this country to join the Common Market | :08:23. | :08:27. | |
has been reversed by this referendum to leave the EU. | :08:28. | :08:33. | |
APPLAUSE It's a victory for ordinary people, | :08:34. | :08:39. | |
decent people, it's a victory against the big merchant banks, | :08:40. | :08:43. | |
Dummett against the big as this is and against the politics and I'm | :08:44. | :08:48. | |
proud of everybody who had the courage in the face of all of the | :08:49. | :08:51. | |
threats and everything they were told, they had the guts to stand up | :08:52. | :08:56. | |
and do the right thing. Inevitably, there will be a period of | :08:57. | :08:59. | |
uncertainty and adjustment following this result. We will not hesitate to | :09:00. | :09:03. | |
take any additional measures required to meet our | :09:04. | :09:07. | |
responsibilities as the United Kingdom moves forward. | :09:08. | :09:13. | |
I will do everything I can as Prime Minister to steady the ship over the | :09:14. | :09:17. | |
coming weeks and months. But I do not think it would be right for me | :09:18. | :09:22. | |
to try to be the captain Bastia is our country to its next destination. | :09:23. | :09:28. | |
I am proud of Scotland and how we voted yesterday, it proved that we | :09:29. | :09:33. | |
are a modern, outward looking, open and inclusive country and we said | :09:34. | :09:36. | |
clearly that we do not want to leave the European Union. I believe the | :09:37. | :09:44. | |
British people have spoken up for democracy, in Britain and across | :09:45. | :09:49. | |
Europe will stop and I think we can be very proud of the result. | :09:50. | :10:03. | |
It has been an up and down spell of weather over recent days and will be | :10:04. | :10:11. | |
up and down this weekend as well, sunny for some and wet for | :10:12. | :10:12. |