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The Philip Hammond has increased national insurance for self employed | :00:13. | :00:17. | |
people in his first budget, leading to accusations he has broken a | :00:18. | :00:20. | |
The budget also included an extra ?2 billion for the social care system | :00:21. | :00:29. | |
in England as the Chancellor said he was putting the economy | :00:30. | :00:31. | |
As we start our negotiations to exit the European Union, this budget | :00:32. | :00:38. | |
takes forward our plan to prepare Britain for a brighter future. | :00:39. | :00:46. | |
The Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said the budget was built on unfairness | :00:47. | :00:48. | |
and provided tax breaks for the few and public service cuts for the | :00:49. | :00:52. | |
Utter complacency about the crisis facing our public services | :00:53. | :01:03. | |
and complacent about the reality of daily life for millions | :01:04. | :01:05. | |
In other news, police searching for missing airman Corrie McKeague | :01:06. | :01:14. | |
say they are confident his body will be found at a landfill site. | :01:15. | :01:17. | |
The RAF serviceman has not been seen since an night out | :01:18. | :01:20. | |
The website WikiLeaks published thousands of pages of what it says | :01:21. | :01:25. | |
The documents appear to reveal attempts to use household | :01:26. | :01:29. | |
gadgets to eavesdrop on people's conversations. | :01:30. | :01:48. | |
We have been asking for your questions and suggestions on | :01:49. | :01:54. | |
We have got three experts here to answer your questions. | :01:55. | :01:58. | |
Paul Lewis, a financial journalist and presenter | :01:59. | :02:01. | |
Michelle McGrade, a finance expert and chief investment officer at TD | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
And Anita Monteith, tax manager at the | :02:06. | :02:09. | |
Institute of Chartered Accountants in England and Wales. | :02:10. | :02:13. | |
Let's take a closer look at some of the main talking points | :02:14. | :02:16. | |
He announced a 1% rise next year in National Insurance contributions | :02:17. | :02:21. | |
for the self-employed and another rise the following year. | :02:22. | :02:23. | |
The move appears to contradict a Conservative manifesto pledge | :02:24. | :02:26. | |
Mr Hammond also announced an extra ?2 billion for social care | :02:27. | :02:31. | |
in England over the next three years, with ?1 billion | :02:32. | :02:34. | |
There were also measures to soften the impact of the business rates | :02:35. | :02:40. | |
re-evaluation in England with ?435 million for firms | :02:41. | :02:43. | |
affected by increases, including a hardship fund | :02:44. | :02:45. | |
for the worst hit as well as a ?1000 discount for most pubs in England. | :02:46. | :02:51. | |
There was a cut in the tax-free dividends allowance for shareholders | :02:52. | :02:55. | |
and directors of small private firms from ?5,000 to ?2000 | :02:56. | :02:59. | |
Mr Hammond is also spending ?100 million to place more GPs | :03:00. | :03:04. | |
in accident and emergency departments in England | :03:05. | :03:07. | |
And there was a change in technical education with the introduction | :03:08. | :03:13. | |
of a new broad-based T-Level qualification, as well as an extra | :03:14. | :03:16. | |
OK, let's begin. We are going to start with the first question which | :03:17. | :03:30. | |
One person from Sheffield has texted us to say: I'm a nursery director | :03:31. | :03:35. | |
and we pay a big amount of money for our business rate every | :03:36. | :03:38. | |
If our business rate could not be reduced in the future, | :03:39. | :03:42. | |
we do not think we can stay in this business any longer. | :03:43. | :03:44. | |
Is enough being done to support small businesses in this budget? | :03:45. | :03:56. | |
Actually, yes, not enough is being done right now. But this is a | :03:57. | :04:03. | |
controversy that has arisen because the new business rates have just | :04:04. | :04:09. | |
been announced. What has come about is that it is really an unfair tax | :04:10. | :04:15. | |
and it does not fit and is not fit for purpose today at all because | :04:16. | :04:19. | |
companies need to be taxed on their revenues rather than on the building | :04:20. | :04:27. | |
that they are residing in. For example, this nursery, you could | :04:28. | :04:30. | |
probably convert that to a couple of flats and the rates they would pay | :04:31. | :04:35. | |
would be much less. This really needs to be thought through. There | :04:36. | :04:41. | |
is a fund that looks like something temporary while they really think | :04:42. | :04:46. | |
through this whole situation because it has really hit the small | :04:47. | :04:51. | |
businesses in a big way actually. But if the appeals process for | :04:52. | :04:56. | |
dealing with any inaccuracies in terms of re-evaluating these rates | :04:57. | :05:00. | |
was quicker and speedier and timely, then the situation would not be | :05:01. | :05:06. | |
quite as bad, would it? One thing that all businesses look for is some | :05:07. | :05:10. | |
sort of consistency. People do not like shocks to stop they will budget | :05:11. | :05:16. | |
from one year to the next and the revaluation exercise that has been | :05:17. | :05:25. | |
long overdue I think a lot of people have found the sudden increase quite | :05:26. | :05:29. | |
difficult to cope with, don't you think? They have been working this | :05:30. | :05:36. | |
thing out for seven years. When they get the bill it will be seven years. | :05:37. | :05:41. | |
Although in some parts of the country, particularly London and the | :05:42. | :05:44. | |
South East and Bristol, business rates will be going up, but there | :05:45. | :05:48. | |
are parts of the country where they will be coming down. One lady said | :05:49. | :05:53. | |
hers was coming down to zero which is good news for her. We have got | :05:54. | :05:59. | |
this 300 million which will be for local council to allocate, to sort | :06:00. | :06:02. | |
out the problems in their area. It is not a lot of money, but it is | :06:03. | :06:08. | |
good news. If you stop being a small business by definition and go to a | :06:09. | :06:12. | |
big business, you will not have arise. There is a special ?1000 for | :06:13. | :06:17. | |
pubs because they pay the tax partly on their turnover. I was talking to | :06:18. | :06:23. | |
a public earlier who was very pleased. He is still facing a big | :06:24. | :06:28. | |
rise, but it is not quite so big. This is our second query. | :06:29. | :06:32. | |
And Elliot Mason asks: Will the rise in social care funding | :06:33. | :06:35. | |
help to alleviate the strain on the NHS by a noticeable amount? | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
Paul? I do not think so. Local authorities say to me that extra ?2 | :06:40. | :06:49. | |
billion will be swallowed up in the higher minimum wages they will have | :06:50. | :06:54. | |
to pay to care workers. It is interesting, but it is not | :06:55. | :06:58. | |
necessarily the answer. It only helps people who the local authority | :06:59. | :07:01. | |
are paying for and that might help get a few more people out of | :07:02. | :07:07. | |
hospitals. But for all the people who pay for themselves there is no | :07:08. | :07:12. | |
change except a green paper, a discussion, another review, the | :07:13. | :07:16. | |
third we have had in the last dozen years. It is a gesture rather than | :07:17. | :07:22. | |
an answer. 1 billion will be straightaway, so that is something | :07:23. | :07:27. | |
that at least local authorities can say, we can start to alleviate the | :07:28. | :07:32. | |
situation. People who have immediate cash needs, adding ?1 billion | :07:33. | :07:40. | |
immediately means they can move on. But it is divided between hundreds | :07:41. | :07:45. | |
of local authorities. Our next question. | :07:46. | :07:46. | |
One of the most talked about announcements in today's | :07:47. | :07:50. | |
Budget has been the reform to National Insurance contributions. | :07:51. | :07:52. | |
The Conservative manifesto said they wouldn't raise it, | :07:53. | :07:54. | |
but the Chancellor today said some self-employed workers, | :07:55. | :07:56. | |
those on Class 4 rates, will find it go up to 10% and then | :07:57. | :07:59. | |
We'll get some of your questions on National Insurance in a moment, | :08:00. | :08:06. | |
but first Rita Chakrabarti has been speaking to three small | :08:07. | :08:08. | |
business owners to see what they make of the plans. | :08:09. | :08:11. | |
No need to worry about the sums when you're small, | :08:12. | :08:14. | |
Charlotte and Sarah are both self-employed, | :08:15. | :08:18. | |
and started their separate businesses after having children. | :08:19. | :08:21. | |
Charlotte says the Chancellor's hike of national insurance contributions | :08:22. | :08:24. | |
I think it's affecting kitchen table businesses, | :08:25. | :08:32. | |
you know, mums starting up after maternity leave. | :08:33. | :08:36. | |
They don't get the same benefits you get as an employed person. | :08:37. | :08:39. | |
If we're sick or anything, we're still working through, | :08:40. | :08:43. | |
The Chancellor says it is fair, this is bringing you up | :08:44. | :08:48. | |
to the levels that other employees have to pay? | :08:49. | :08:50. | |
If I was working, I would be paying that level anyway. | :08:51. | :08:54. | |
Ruth also started out as self-employed, but she now runs | :08:55. | :08:59. | |
a larger business selling birthing pools, which has a turnover | :09:00. | :09:02. | |
The national insurance increase will affect her. | :09:03. | :09:07. | |
But that should be offset by cuts in corporation tax. | :09:08. | :09:11. | |
The Chancellor is taxing businesspeople on a | :09:12. | :09:15. | |
But he's sneaking in the corporation tax is going down. | :09:16. | :09:21. | |
Overall, the question is where that balance lies. | :09:22. | :09:25. | |
Overall, it sounds like you're going to be roughly... | :09:26. | :09:28. | |
Today's reforms to National Insurance contributions | :09:29. | :09:33. | |
and previously announced changes means that there are | :09:34. | :09:36. | |
Someone who is self-employed, with average earnings of ?12,700 | :09:37. | :09:43. | |
will be ?70 per year better off in 2019-20. | :09:44. | :09:47. | |
For a self-employed person earning an average of ?17,300, | :09:48. | :09:51. | |
And a self-employed management consultant on an average of over | :09:52. | :09:56. | |
?51,000 will be ?620 worse off per year. | :09:57. | :10:02. | |
There's not much sympathy down the road in Keighley, | :10:03. | :10:05. | |
at Dobson's Gaskets, a family business that's | :10:06. | :10:07. | |
They're all classed as employees here and so all taxed | :10:08. | :10:12. | |
They say quite right too, to the Chancellor's changes. | :10:13. | :10:17. | |
At the moment, they're paying a lot less for very similar | :10:18. | :10:20. | |
amounts of cover and help from the Government. | :10:21. | :10:23. | |
They still get the same state pension now and they still | :10:24. | :10:26. | |
have a lot more flexibility in their own lifestyle. | :10:27. | :10:29. | |
You think it's absolutely right and fair that the | :10:30. | :10:31. | |
There was blue sky over Yorkshire today. | :10:32. | :10:37. | |
But, as always on Budget Day, only for some. | :10:38. | :10:51. | |
Our next question is about National Insurance and it | :10:52. | :10:53. | |
He asks: How does the rise in national Insurance Contributions | :10:54. | :10:56. | |
for the self-employed bring parity, when employees have access to paid | :10:57. | :10:59. | |
The way I look at it is if you are being paid an amount like the | :11:00. | :11:11. | |
Chancellor said, it does not matter how many weeks you have worked to | :11:12. | :11:16. | |
earn that amount of money, you have earned the same amount of money. So | :11:17. | :11:21. | |
if you have had six periods and days off and holiday, you are earning the | :11:22. | :11:27. | |
same amount of money for the year. So I can see the fairness in that. I | :11:28. | :11:34. | |
do understand self-employed people feel as though they cannot take | :11:35. | :11:39. | |
holidays because they are managing their own lifestyle, but that is one | :11:40. | :11:44. | |
of the reasons why they are self-employed and that is why it is | :11:45. | :11:48. | |
attractive for a lot of people, and a lot of women, to be self-employed | :11:49. | :11:52. | |
because they can have a flexible lifestyle. They can work when they | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
want and do the type of work they want, they will not be dictated to | :11:57. | :12:01. | |
by an employer. I see it as kind of fair actorly. Does it feel fair to | :12:02. | :12:07. | |
you, Paul? Yes, I think it is fair and I spoke to somebody who has been | :12:08. | :12:12. | |
self-employed for a long time. The point is you now get the same state | :12:13. | :12:17. | |
pension. National insurance menu pays for the state pension. | :12:18. | :12:21. | |
Self-employed people off and got less and now they get the same. So | :12:22. | :12:26. | |
it does seem fair. The point about sick pay and holidays, holidays is | :12:27. | :12:32. | |
how you manage your business. But I think sick pay and maternity pay, | :12:33. | :12:38. | |
paternity pay, that is paid for two national insurance and self-employed | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
people do not get those things. The Chancellor has said he will look at | :12:44. | :12:47. | |
that. My prediction is by 2018 there will be some concession so people | :12:48. | :12:53. | |
will get certainly parental benefits by that time. Sick pay I am not so | :12:54. | :13:00. | |
sure. I think it is fair and eventually it will probably go up to | :13:01. | :13:03. | |
12%. There is another 1% to go before that announcement. But the | :13:04. | :13:11. | |
amount of money it will bring in, ?145 million, that is a drop in the | :13:12. | :13:19. | |
ocean. If you take this change alongside the dividend allowance, we | :13:20. | :13:23. | |
will be looking at ?1.5 billion per year within a couple of years. It is | :13:24. | :13:28. | |
very important to put this in the context of other work that has been | :13:29. | :13:34. | |
going on. You look at the whole package around employment and | :13:35. | :13:39. | |
self-employment. We have tax rules and law rules and they are | :13:40. | :13:44. | |
different. We are expecting in June to hear from Matthew Taylor who has | :13:45. | :13:48. | |
been looking into this, but in the UK we have never had a discussion | :13:49. | :13:52. | |
about whether that should be a difference between the national | :13:53. | :13:55. | |
insurance you play as an employee and the national insurance as a | :13:56. | :14:01. | |
self-employed. We need to have that debate and if we think there should | :14:02. | :14:04. | |
be a difference we need to decide what that should be. And wide. The | :14:05. | :14:11. | |
numbers of self-employed are going up. Dramatically. Some of them pay | :14:12. | :14:17. | |
less because the flat rate class two is being scrapped in 2018. That is | :14:18. | :14:23. | |
?145 a year. They will not pay that any more. If you do not earn enough | :14:24. | :14:30. | |
to pay as much in the extra 11%, you will do better. I did not check the | :14:31. | :14:37. | |
Chancellor's figure, but at about ?16,000 per year you will pay more, | :14:38. | :14:42. | |
below that you will pay the same or less. That is worth saying. A lot of | :14:43. | :14:47. | |
people who start off in self-employment earn very little. | :14:48. | :14:50. | |
A question now from Tony Humphreys, who says: I am a software developer. | :14:51. | :14:55. | |
I would love to start contracting, but I am hindered by IR35. | :14:56. | :14:58. | |
What is that? I was really hoping this would not come to me. It is the | :14:59. | :15:09. | |
number of a press release that was issued in the 1990s. Back in 1999. | :15:10. | :15:19. | |
Anita is going to take over. It was the Inland Revenue, now HMRC. What | :15:20. | :15:24. | |
this did was to look at people who were arguing that they were | :15:25. | :15:30. | |
self-employed by simply putting a contract of self employment in place | :15:31. | :15:35. | |
between them and the person they did work for, when actually they were | :15:36. | :15:41. | |
really employees. They would leave work on Friday as an employee and | :15:42. | :15:44. | |
they would come back with this new, shiny contract and say I am | :15:45. | :15:48. | |
self-employed and pay less tax, on a Monday. The employer loved it | :15:49. | :15:53. | |
because they did not have to pay sick pay or holiday pay or anything | :15:54. | :16:01. | |
else and they can take them on. They loved it as well. The national | :16:02. | :16:05. | |
insurance was a big one. The comments I have been getting today | :16:06. | :16:11. | |
is people who want to be contractors find it very difficult, but as a | :16:12. | :16:15. | |
self-employed person they have these advantages, but employers demand it. | :16:16. | :16:20. | |
Some would like to be employees, but they cannot be because employers say | :16:21. | :16:26. | |
you are self-employed, even though they are turning up at the same | :16:27. | :16:30. | |
office at the same time every day, behaving and acting like an | :16:31. | :16:35. | |
employee. That has to be looked at as part of this. I cannot answer the | :16:36. | :16:45. | |
question directly. I do not know whether it will change very much. | :16:46. | :16:48. | |
The whole thing is being looked at and I think slowly we will see a | :16:49. | :16:49. | |
change. At the end of last week contractors can use to determine | :16:50. | :16:57. | |
whether the contract they are working under is employment or | :16:58. | :17:02. | |
self-employment. We are looking namely at people who have | :17:03. | :17:06. | |
incorporated as a 1-person company and I then working for somebody | :17:07. | :17:11. | |
through the umbrella of a company. We have a few more questions. | :17:12. | :17:14. | |
Terence O'Neil also wants to know about the state of the economy. | :17:15. | :17:17. | |
He asks: "What use is 2% growth if the currency | :17:18. | :17:19. | |
I would like to ask him what he would think if growth was 0% and we | :17:20. | :17:30. | |
had inflation. Growth is a good thing. Let's talk about the growth | :17:31. | :17:35. | |
first of all. We are expecting growth in this country and we are | :17:36. | :17:41. | |
also expecting growth in the world. Just about everywhere in the world | :17:42. | :17:46. | |
we are seeing a pick-up on economic activity and that has to be a | :17:47. | :17:51. | |
tailwind for us in the UK. With sterling falling, a lot of our | :17:52. | :17:56. | |
exporters are doing very well, thank you very much, from that because our | :17:57. | :18:05. | |
goods cost less overseas. If the companies overseas are spending more | :18:06. | :18:08. | |
and buying more of our goods, it is a good thing. But on the other hand | :18:09. | :18:15. | |
with sterling falling it does mean that our goods, mainly clothing and | :18:16. | :18:21. | |
food, will cost a bit more and it is true it will have a bit of a | :18:22. | :18:26. | |
knock-on effect. We think that wages probably are not going to go up as | :18:27. | :18:34. | |
much as people would like. They will not keep pace with inflation? | :18:35. | :18:39. | |
Possibly not. We have got to enrolment coming in as well and a | :18:40. | :18:44. | |
lot of employers are using that as a reason for not increasing wages so | :18:45. | :18:50. | |
far this year. But on productivity, if the Chancellor is right and we | :18:51. | :18:56. | |
get productivity gains through his measures and through just growth as | :18:57. | :19:01. | |
well, then that is good for our economy and it should offset some of | :19:02. | :19:08. | |
this fall in sterling. We will see on that one. | :19:09. | :19:09. | |
Our next question comes from Martha, has messaged us to say: | :19:10. | :19:13. | |
What amendments will be put in place in regards to the benefit system? | :19:14. | :19:17. | |
Will it still be financially better to live off benefits and not work? | :19:18. | :19:22. | |
I'm not sure about that last bit, sorry, Martha. What changes do you | :19:23. | :19:32. | |
see coming? We have two systems running in parallel. We have got the | :19:33. | :19:37. | |
old tax credit system and the new Universal Credit system. Both of | :19:38. | :19:41. | |
it advantageous to go out and work. it advantageous to go out and work. | :19:42. | :19:50. | |
It is to supplement the needs of people who are on low incomes. The | :19:51. | :19:55. | |
problem with the switchover from the tax credit system to the Universal | :19:56. | :20:00. | |
Credit system is that it has proven much more difficult to get the IT | :20:01. | :20:05. | |
right and perhaps was anticipated in the first place. I think it will | :20:06. | :20:11. | |
take another four or five years because the big switchover will | :20:12. | :20:16. | |
happen from one system to the other. We have at the same time a new | :20:17. | :20:22. | |
project to make tax digital which will make every business in the UK | :20:23. | :20:29. | |
have to submit digital records. With all of that new IT needing to feed | :20:30. | :20:34. | |
into the same system... It will be a big mess. It will be a big challenge | :20:35. | :20:40. | |
for everyone. You are rolling your eyes. Challenge is one thing, mess | :20:41. | :20:47. | |
is another. There are very few people know who are better off on | :20:48. | :20:51. | |
benefits. The jobseeker's allowance is ?71 a week. If you want to live | :20:52. | :20:57. | |
on that, stay unemployed and leave the job to someone else in my view. | :20:58. | :21:03. | |
I think Martha is wrong about that. There will be no more changes in | :21:04. | :21:07. | |
benefits, Philip Hammond has made that quite clear. The changes will | :21:08. | :21:11. | |
happen. He made it slightly better to work on Universal Credit, let's | :21:12. | :21:18. | |
not go into it, but he announced that today. But the austerity | :21:19. | :21:22. | |
measures, the cuts for disabled people and single parents, they will | :21:23. | :21:24. | |
people and single parents, they will carry on. | :21:25. | :21:28. | |
On to savings now, and Robert has sent this question in. | :21:29. | :21:34. | |
He says: What is the government doing to encourage people to save? | :21:35. | :21:41. | |
We have now got so many different forms of Acers I have lost count. I | :21:42. | :21:50. | |
have to mention the savings allowance we still have if you are | :21:51. | :21:53. | |
lucky to find somebody to give you enough interest to make use of it. | :21:54. | :21:55. | |
We were talking earlier about the absence LISA. It is a new lifetime | :21:56. | :22:23. | |
ISA. You can pay 2.2% over three years and you put in ?2000 and after | :22:24. | :22:27. | |
the end of three years you will have about an extra ?200. The rate was | :22:28. | :22:33. | |
announced today. It is good news for people who want to put away ?3000 | :22:34. | :22:37. | |
over three years. They must guarantee that. We must | :22:38. | :23:15. | |
they are earning in a month and put in a little bit all the time. | :23:16. | :23:25. | |
The last question, how much longer can we borrow? If you want | :23:26. | :23:32. | |
certainty, you will end to the UK Government. There are oil-rich | :23:33. | :23:37. | |
states who want a guaranteed return for maybe 20 years. They want to | :23:38. | :23:43. | |
know exactly what will come back for their pensions plans. There is no | :23:44. | :23:49. | |
shortage. But the odd thing I noticed today is that the interest | :23:50. | :23:54. | |
on the debt that the government owes its 50 billion a year. That's 50 | :23:55. | :23:59. | |
billion is exactly what the government will borrow next year. So | :24:00. | :24:03. | |
we are borrowing 50 billion to pay the interest on our 1.7 trillion. If | :24:04. | :24:08. | |
we were a household, that would be bad. We could use that interest | :24:09. | :24:14. | |
payment for other things to pay for things like social care etc. We do | :24:15. | :24:20. | |
want that borrowing level to come down, but as Paul said the UK is a | :24:21. | :24:25. | |
safe bet and if we are growing the way we say we are growing, it is | :24:26. | :24:31. | |
even safer. I think we are doing well, we are bringing the deficit | :24:32. | :24:34. | |
down each year, but we have got to get rid of it. The debt is going up | :24:35. | :24:40. | |
every year. Austerity is probably another eight or nine years. At | :24:41. | :24:45. | |
least. It has been great having you in. Many thanks for the questions. | :24:46. | :24:54. | |
And for more reaction to the budget you can go to the website. You will | :24:55. | :24:59. | |
find live updates and full analysis from all our reporters. Many thanks | :25:00. | :25:05. | |
again to everybody here and to you for watching. Let's join Nick Miller | :25:06. | :25:06. | |
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overnight. We have cloud and damp and drizzly weather inside | :25:19. | :25:19. |