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The Philip Hammond has increased national insurance for self employed

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people in his first budget, leading to accusations he has broken a

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The budget also included an extra ?2 billion for the social care system

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in England as the Chancellor said he was putting the economy

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As we start our negotiations to exit the European Union, this budget

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takes forward our plan to prepare Britain for a brighter future.

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The Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said the budget was built on unfairness

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and provided tax breaks for the few and public service cuts for the

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Utter complacency about the crisis facing our public services

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and complacent about the reality of daily life for millions

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In other news, police searching for missing airman Corrie McKeague

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say they are confident his body will be found at a landfill site.

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The RAF serviceman has not been seen since an night out

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The website WikiLeaks published thousands of pages of what it says

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The documents appear to reveal attempts to use household

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gadgets to eavesdrop on people's conversations.

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We have been asking for your questions and suggestions on

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We have got three experts here to answer your questions.

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Paul Lewis, a financial journalist and presenter

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Michelle McGrade, a finance expert and chief investment officer at TD

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And Anita Monteith, tax manager at the

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Institute of Chartered Accountants in England and Wales.

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Let's take a closer look at some of the main talking points

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He announced a 1% rise next year in National Insurance contributions

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for the self-employed and another rise the following year.

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The move appears to contradict a Conservative manifesto pledge

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Mr Hammond also announced an extra ?2 billion for social care

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in England over the next three years, with ?1 billion

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There were also measures to soften the impact of the business rates

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re-evaluation in England with ?435 million for firms

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affected by increases, including a hardship fund

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for the worst hit as well as a ?1000 discount for most pubs in England.

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There was a cut in the tax-free dividends allowance for shareholders

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and directors of small private firms from ?5,000 to ?2000

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Mr Hammond is also spending ?100 million to place more GPs

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in accident and emergency departments in England

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And there was a change in technical education with the introduction

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of a new broad-based T-Level qualification, as well as an extra

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OK, let's begin. We are going to start with the first question which

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One person from Sheffield has texted us to say: I'm a nursery director

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and we pay a big amount of money for our business rate every

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If our business rate could not be reduced in the future,

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we do not think we can stay in this business any longer.

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Is enough being done to support small businesses in this budget?

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Actually, yes, not enough is being done right now. But this is a

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controversy that has arisen because the new business rates have just

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been announced. What has come about is that it is really an unfair tax

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and it does not fit and is not fit for purpose today at all because

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companies need to be taxed on their revenues rather than on the building

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that they are residing in. For example, this nursery, you could

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probably convert that to a couple of flats and the rates they would pay

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would be much less. This really needs to be thought through. There

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is a fund that looks like something temporary while they really think

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through this whole situation because it has really hit the small

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businesses in a big way actually. But if the appeals process for

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dealing with any inaccuracies in terms of re-evaluating these rates

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was quicker and speedier and timely, then the situation would not be

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quite as bad, would it? One thing that all businesses look for is some

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sort of consistency. People do not like shocks to stop they will budget

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from one year to the next and the revaluation exercise that has been

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long overdue I think a lot of people have found the sudden increase quite

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difficult to cope with, don't you think? They have been working this

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thing out for seven years. When they get the bill it will be seven years.

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Although in some parts of the country, particularly London and the

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South East and Bristol, business rates will be going up, but there

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are parts of the country where they will be coming down. One lady said

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hers was coming down to zero which is good news for her. We have got

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this 300 million which will be for local council to allocate, to sort

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out the problems in their area. It is not a lot of money, but it is

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good news. If you stop being a small business by definition and go to a

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big business, you will not have arise. There is a special ?1000 for

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pubs because they pay the tax partly on their turnover. I was talking to

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a public earlier who was very pleased. He is still facing a big

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rise, but it is not quite so big. This is our second query.

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And Elliot Mason asks: Will the rise in social care funding

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help to alleviate the strain on the NHS by a noticeable amount?

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Paul? I do not think so. Local authorities say to me that extra ?2

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billion will be swallowed up in the higher minimum wages they will have

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to pay to care workers. It is interesting, but it is not

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necessarily the answer. It only helps people who the local authority

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are paying for and that might help get a few more people out of

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hospitals. But for all the people who pay for themselves there is no

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change except a green paper, a discussion, another review, the

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third we have had in the last dozen years. It is a gesture rather than

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an answer. 1 billion will be straightaway, so that is something

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that at least local authorities can say, we can start to alleviate the

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situation. People who have immediate cash needs, adding ?1 billion

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immediately means they can move on. But it is divided between hundreds

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of local authorities. Our next question.

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One of the most talked about announcements in today's

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Budget has been the reform to National Insurance contributions.

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The Conservative manifesto said they wouldn't raise it,

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but the Chancellor today said some self-employed workers,

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those on Class 4 rates, will find it go up to 10% and then

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We'll get some of your questions on National Insurance in a moment,

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but first Rita Chakrabarti has been speaking to three small

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business owners to see what they make of the plans.

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No need to worry about the sums when you're small,

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Charlotte and Sarah are both self-employed,

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and started their separate businesses after having children.

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Charlotte says the Chancellor's hike of national insurance contributions

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I think it's affecting kitchen table businesses,

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you know, mums starting up after maternity leave.

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They don't get the same benefits you get as an employed person.

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If we're sick or anything, we're still working through,

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The Chancellor says it is fair, this is bringing you up

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to the levels that other employees have to pay?

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If I was working, I would be paying that level anyway.

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Ruth also started out as self-employed, but she now runs

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a larger business selling birthing pools, which has a turnover

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The national insurance increase will affect her.

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But that should be offset by cuts in corporation tax.

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The Chancellor is taxing businesspeople on a

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But he's sneaking in the corporation tax is going down.

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Overall, the question is where that balance lies.

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Overall, it sounds like you're going to be roughly...

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Today's reforms to National Insurance contributions

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and previously announced changes means that there are

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Someone who is self-employed, with average earnings of ?12,700

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will be ?70 per year better off in 2019-20.

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For a self-employed person earning an average of ?17,300,

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And a self-employed management consultant on an average of over

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?51,000 will be ?620 worse off per year.

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There's not much sympathy down the road in Keighley,

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at Dobson's Gaskets, a family business that's

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They're all classed as employees here and so all taxed

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They say quite right too, to the Chancellor's changes.

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At the moment, they're paying a lot less for very similar

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amounts of cover and help from the Government.

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They still get the same state pension now and they still

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have a lot more flexibility in their own lifestyle.

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You think it's absolutely right and fair that the

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There was blue sky over Yorkshire today.

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But, as always on Budget Day, only for some.

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Our next question is about National Insurance and it

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He asks: How does the rise in national Insurance Contributions

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for the self-employed bring parity, when employees have access to paid

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The way I look at it is if you are being paid an amount like the

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Chancellor said, it does not matter how many weeks you have worked to

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earn that amount of money, you have earned the same amount of money. So

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if you have had six periods and days off and holiday, you are earning the

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same amount of money for the year. So I can see the fairness in that. I

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do understand self-employed people feel as though they cannot take

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holidays because they are managing their own lifestyle, but that is one

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of the reasons why they are self-employed and that is why it is

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attractive for a lot of people, and a lot of women, to be self-employed

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because they can have a flexible lifestyle. They can work when they

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want and do the type of work they want, they will not be dictated to

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by an employer. I see it as kind of fair actorly. Does it feel fair to

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you, Paul? Yes, I think it is fair and I spoke to somebody who has been

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self-employed for a long time. The point is you now get the same state

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pension. National insurance menu pays for the state pension.

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Self-employed people off and got less and now they get the same. So

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it does seem fair. The point about sick pay and holidays, holidays is

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how you manage your business. But I think sick pay and maternity pay,

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paternity pay, that is paid for two national insurance and self-employed

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people do not get those things. The Chancellor has said he will look at

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that. My prediction is by 2018 there will be some concession so people

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will get certainly parental benefits by that time. Sick pay I am not so

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sure. I think it is fair and eventually it will probably go up to

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12%. There is another 1% to go before that announcement. But the

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amount of money it will bring in, ?145 million, that is a drop in the

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ocean. If you take this change alongside the dividend allowance, we

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will be looking at ?1.5 billion per year within a couple of years. It is

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very important to put this in the context of other work that has been

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going on. You look at the whole package around employment and

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self-employment. We have tax rules and law rules and they are

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different. We are expecting in June to hear from Matthew Taylor who has

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been looking into this, but in the UK we have never had a discussion

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about whether that should be a difference between the national

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insurance you play as an employee and the national insurance as a

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self-employed. We need to have that debate and if we think there should

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be a difference we need to decide what that should be. And wide. The

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numbers of self-employed are going up. Dramatically. Some of them pay

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less because the flat rate class two is being scrapped in 2018. That is

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?145 a year. They will not pay that any more. If you do not earn enough

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to pay as much in the extra 11%, you will do better. I did not check the

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Chancellor's figure, but at about ?16,000 per year you will pay more,

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below that you will pay the same or less. That is worth saying. A lot of

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people who start off in self-employment earn very little.

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A question now from Tony Humphreys, who says: I am a software developer.

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I would love to start contracting, but I am hindered by IR35.

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What is that? I was really hoping this would not come to me. It is the

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number of a press release that was issued in the 1990s. Back in 1999.

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Anita is going to take over. It was the Inland Revenue, now HMRC. What

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this did was to look at people who were arguing that they were

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self-employed by simply putting a contract of self employment in place

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between them and the person they did work for, when actually they were

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really employees. They would leave work on Friday as an employee and

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they would come back with this new, shiny contract and say I am

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self-employed and pay less tax, on a Monday. The employer loved it

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because they did not have to pay sick pay or holiday pay or anything

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else and they can take them on. They loved it as well. The national

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insurance was a big one. The comments I have been getting today

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is people who want to be contractors find it very difficult, but as a

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self-employed person they have these advantages, but employers demand it.

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Some would like to be employees, but they cannot be because employers say

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you are self-employed, even though they are turning up at the same

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office at the same time every day, behaving and acting like an

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employee. That has to be looked at as part of this. I cannot answer the

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question directly. I do not know whether it will change very much.

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The whole thing is being looked at and I think slowly we will see a

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change. At the end of last week contractors can use to determine

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whether the contract they are working under is employment or

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self-employment. We are looking namely at people who have

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incorporated as a 1-person company and I then working for somebody

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through the umbrella of a company. We have a few more questions.

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Terence O'Neil also wants to know about the state of the economy.

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He asks: "What use is 2% growth if the currency

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I would like to ask him what he would think if growth was 0% and we

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had inflation. Growth is a good thing. Let's talk about the growth

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first of all. We are expecting growth in this country and we are

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also expecting growth in the world. Just about everywhere in the world

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we are seeing a pick-up on economic activity and that has to be a

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tailwind for us in the UK. With sterling falling, a lot of our

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exporters are doing very well, thank you very much, from that because our

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goods cost less overseas. If the companies overseas are spending more

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and buying more of our goods, it is a good thing. But on the other hand

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with sterling falling it does mean that our goods, mainly clothing and

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food, will cost a bit more and it is true it will have a bit of a

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knock-on effect. We think that wages probably are not going to go up as

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much as people would like. They will not keep pace with inflation?

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Possibly not. We have got to enrolment coming in as well and a

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lot of employers are using that as a reason for not increasing wages so

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far this year. But on productivity, if the Chancellor is right and we

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get productivity gains through his measures and through just growth as

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well, then that is good for our economy and it should offset some of

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this fall in sterling. We will see on that one.

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Our next question comes from Martha, has messaged us to say:

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What amendments will be put in place in regards to the benefit system?

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Will it still be financially better to live off benefits and not work?

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I'm not sure about that last bit, sorry, Martha. What changes do you

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see coming? We have two systems running in parallel. We have got the

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old tax credit system and the new Universal Credit system. Both of

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it advantageous to go out and work. it advantageous to go out and work.

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It is to supplement the needs of people who are on low incomes. The

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problem with the switchover from the tax credit system to the Universal

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Credit system is that it has proven much more difficult to get the IT

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right and perhaps was anticipated in the first place. I think it will

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take another four or five years because the big switchover will

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happen from one system to the other. We have at the same time a new

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project to make tax digital which will make every business in the UK

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have to submit digital records. With all of that new IT needing to feed

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into the same system... It will be a big mess. It will be a big challenge

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for everyone. You are rolling your eyes. Challenge is one thing, mess

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is another. There are very few people know who are better off on

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benefits. The jobseeker's allowance is ?71 a week. If you want to live

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on that, stay unemployed and leave the job to someone else in my view.

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I think Martha is wrong about that. There will be no more changes in

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benefits, Philip Hammond has made that quite clear. The changes will

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happen. He made it slightly better to work on Universal Credit, let's

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not go into it, but he announced that today. But the austerity

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measures, the cuts for disabled people and single parents, they will

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people and single parents, they will carry on.

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On to savings now, and Robert has sent this question in.

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He says: What is the government doing to encourage people to save?

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We have now got so many different forms of Acers I have lost count. I

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have to mention the savings allowance we still have if you are

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lucky to find somebody to give you enough interest to make use of it.

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We were talking earlier about the absence LISA. It is a new lifetime

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ISA. You can pay 2.2% over three years and you put in ?2000 and after

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the end of three years you will have about an extra ?200. The rate was

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announced today. It is good news for people who want to put away ?3000

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over three years. They must guarantee that. We must

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they are earning in a month and put in a little bit all the time.

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The last question, how much longer can we borrow? If you want

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certainty, you will end to the UK Government. There are oil-rich

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states who want a guaranteed return for maybe 20 years. They want to

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know exactly what will come back for their pensions plans. There is no

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shortage. But the odd thing I noticed today is that the interest

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on the debt that the government owes its 50 billion a year. That's 50

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billion is exactly what the government will borrow next year. So

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we are borrowing 50 billion to pay the interest on our 1.7 trillion. If

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we were a household, that would be bad. We could use that interest

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payment for other things to pay for things like social care etc. We do

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want that borrowing level to come down, but as Paul said the UK is a

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safe bet and if we are growing the way we say we are growing, it is

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even safer. I think we are doing well, we are bringing the deficit

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down each year, but we have got to get rid of it. The debt is going up

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every year. Austerity is probably another eight or nine years. At

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least. It has been great having you in. Many thanks for the questions.

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And for more reaction to the budget you can go to the website. You will

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find live updates and full analysis from all our reporters. Many thanks

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