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Welcome to Battersea Power Station in London. Can Government genuinely | :00:00. | :00:13. | |
provide clean, cheap and secure energy? Why can't we make up our | :00:14. | :00:17. | |
minds about the kind of energy we want? Is having only six big energy | :00:18. | :00:20. | |
providers bad for Britain? This was once the biggest building | :00:21. | :00:42. | |
in Europe. Now, it is one of the more derelict. Battersea Power | :00:43. | :00:49. | |
Station was built in 1933 by Giles Gilbert Scott and decommissioned in | :00:50. | :00:56. | |
1983. Now, it has been turned into a vast con Great Ormond Street | :00:57. | :00:58. | |
Hospital ration of flats, shops and entertainment centres. Once it | :00:59. | :01:02. | |
supplied half of London with electricity and was a major target | :01:03. | :01:09. | |
for German bombs in the Second World War. They always managed to miss it | :01:10. | :01:13. | |
year after year, but the area around about was flattened. The business of | :01:14. | :01:19. | |
generating energy has changed hugely since the 1930s. This was coal | :01:20. | :01:24. | |
fired, deeply damaging to the environment. Now, we want clean, | :01:25. | :01:30. | |
sustainable energy. But we want it to be cheap, and of course, we have | :01:31. | :01:35. | |
to make sure that the lights are kept on. These things are difficult | :01:36. | :01:42. | |
to deliver. Nick Robinson considers whether the politicians can actually | :01:43. | :01:45. | |
manage this three card trick. If you were asked to draw up a plan | :01:46. | :01:57. | |
for Britain's energy needs, where would you start? Almost certainly, | :01:58. | :02:03. | |
with a simple idea. It is energy which keeps the heart of the British | :02:04. | :02:07. | |
economy pumping. Keeping businesses alive and growing and moving. So it | :02:08. | :02:13. | |
is time to start thinking of those ugly cables along which our | :02:14. | :02:17. | |
electricity flows has more like -- as more like the nation's life | :02:18. | :02:20. | |
lines. So says the man who is Secretary of State for Energy in | :02:21. | :02:25. | |
Margaret Thatcher's first Government. Lord Howell is president | :02:26. | :02:30. | |
of the energy industry. Politicians are bound to be involved in energy | :02:31. | :02:34. | |
supply because it is life-blood. It is oxygen. If the lights go off, | :02:35. | :02:39. | |
then the social system collapses. Energy is vital oxygen for the whole | :02:40. | :02:44. | |
system. Politicians have got a duty to ensure the oxygen flows or the | :02:45. | :02:49. | |
blood flows. These are Britain's veins and | :02:50. | :02:54. | |
arteries, the principle power lines that link up to form the National | :02:55. | :03:01. | |
Grid. This is the country's national control centre in Berkshire. The | :03:02. | :03:04. | |
exact location is meant to be a secret. The job of the team here is | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
to keep the heart pumping, that means to make sure there is enough | :03:10. | :03:14. | |
power to meet the demands of businesses and homes which fluctuate | :03:15. | :03:22. | |
from second to second. You guys have to be an expert not just in the | :03:23. | :03:25. | |
weather, but in the TV schedules? We do our best. Which are the big | :03:26. | :03:32. | |
blips, Strictly? Strictly, sporting events, live events, you get the big | :03:33. | :03:37. | |
events like Royal weddings. Is it particular moments in the Royal | :03:38. | :03:41. | |
Wedding? The one cas waiting to for a kiss. After the kiss, the demand | :03:42. | :03:45. | |
came back on again. I have seen the kiss, I want a cuppa. I have seen | :03:46. | :03:53. | |
the kiss. Let's go back to what we were doing before. One man sitting | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
at his desk has the job of turning power stations, on, off and on or | :03:59. | :04:03. | |
up. Sometimes at short notice. He is doing it to meet the fluctuations in | :04:04. | :04:07. | |
demand. Some power sources are easy to predict and control, others like | :04:08. | :04:12. | |
wind, much less so. Getting the calculations wrong is unthinkable. | :04:13. | :04:19. | |
Well, almost. Well, if the frequency goes too high, generation will trip | :04:20. | :04:26. | |
off. If it trips off, you have the supply demand mismatch and we will | :04:27. | :04:29. | |
have power cuts around the country quickly and I'm talking about within | :04:30. | :04:34. | |
ten seconds or so. So he has to get it right? He has to get it right. | :04:35. | :04:39. | |
The good news is he always does. Massive blackouts, that's the | :04:40. | :04:41. | |
equivalent of a national heart attack. That's a prospect to give | :04:42. | :04:47. | |
any Energy Secretary nightmares. You could freufb forgiven for thinking | :04:48. | :04:51. | |
that politicians were obsessed with curbing the size of your energy | :04:52. | :04:55. | |
bill. The truth is though that they are trying to balance three things, | :04:56. | :05:00. | |
bills, combatting climate change, and ensuring the security of energy | :05:01. | :05:05. | |
supply. That's what they call in Whitehall, the energy trilemma. | :05:06. | :05:11. | |
The were first priority of any energy plan has to be keep the | :05:12. | :05:15. | |
lights on. Headlines have warned of risks in the years ahead, as old | :05:16. | :05:23. | |
dirty coal and owl fired power stations are closed. The safety | :05:24. | :05:26. | |
margin between how much energy we will need and how much is generated | :05:27. | :05:31. | |
is predicted to drop to around 4% by the time of the next election. | :05:32. | :05:37. | |
Recently, it used to be as high as 15%. If I was doing anything in life | :05:38. | :05:45. | |
and I only had a 4% margin of error, I would be worried? That's what we | :05:46. | :05:49. | |
tend to deal with in the co he will room. In any given winter, there | :05:50. | :05:54. | |
will be days when it is tying and where it is challenging. As long as | :05:55. | :05:57. | |
the market is functioning in the background and there is the excess | :05:58. | :06:02. | |
of potentially available supply over and above demand, we will be fine. | :06:03. | :06:09. | |
That phrase, "So long as." Is crucial. The head of a major British | :06:10. | :06:14. | |
company told me, they are so worried about the lights going out, they are | :06:15. | :06:18. | |
building their own generators to make sure they are independent of | :06:19. | :06:21. | |
the grid. Given that our energy comes from private companies, that | :06:22. | :06:25. | |
means convincing them that it is worth spending and borrowing and | :06:26. | :06:30. | |
building now in the expectation of earning money later. | :06:31. | :06:36. | |
Sometimes that means big new power station or windfarms above the | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
ground. Sometimes it means digging massive holes in the ground to put | :06:41. | :06:46. | |
cables underneath it. To stop the lights going out, the power system | :06:47. | :06:51. | |
needs investment and that is what they are talking about. Huge tunnels | :06:52. | :06:57. | |
underneath the capital city to carry massive cables needed because London | :06:58. | :07:03. | |
alone is using 5% more electricity year in, year out. The National Grid | :07:04. | :07:17. | |
is spending ?1 billion on cables to carry electricity from TV Centre to | :07:18. | :07:23. | |
the Olympic Stadium. Investing in going green, much more so. | :07:24. | :07:27. | |
Particularly inside the Government. Big subsidies for wind power, | :07:28. | :07:32. | |
promoted by the department for energy and climate change have been | :07:33. | :07:34. | |
opposed on the other side of Whitehall by the Treasury who think | :07:35. | :07:39. | |
gas will prove to be cheaper and what's more, it is cleaner than goal | :07:40. | :07:43. | |
or oil. The split in Whitehall makes it hard to persuade firms to spend | :07:44. | :07:49. | |
their money on an uncertain future. Chris Huhne was Energy Secretary for | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
the first two years of the coalition. He blames George Osborne | :07:55. | :07:57. | |
for the fact that money isn't flowing into green energy as fast as | :07:58. | :08:00. | |
he wants. It was so important to bring on as much new generating | :08:01. | :08:07. | |
capacity as possible. It would be a lot easier to do that if there | :08:08. | :08:12. | |
weren't a mixed signals coming out of the Government and particularly | :08:13. | :08:15. | |
sniping from the Treasury. That's been unhelpful and I can remember | :08:16. | :08:18. | |
particular times when the Prime Minister for example, was attempting | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
to land big foreign investments in the wind turbine industry when | :08:24. | :08:27. | |
George Osborne decided that was the appropriate moment to say we have | :08:28. | :08:32. | |
got to be careful about subsidies for green issues. That was deeply un | :08:33. | :08:37. | |
ful. -- unhelpful. The Government are | :08:38. | :08:43. | |
hoping fracking will be a cheap new source of clean energy. It helped | :08:44. | :08:46. | |
American gas prices to tumble. The Lib Dems accuse campaigners of | :08:47. | :08:52. | |
fracking of undermining their green dreams. One of the people | :08:53. | :08:56. | |
campaigning, happens to be the Chancellor's father-in-law. The | :08:57. | :09:04. | |
Energy Department is in the hands of one wing of the coalition. I happen | :09:05. | :09:11. | |
to think they are being pursued in the wrong way and other departments | :09:12. | :09:14. | |
are bound to say, couldn't we do this better? The answer is yes, we | :09:15. | :09:19. | |
could do much, much better and we are doing badly at the moment and it | :09:20. | :09:22. | |
will cause suffering and difficulty for this country. | :09:23. | :09:26. | |
Next week, in his Autumn Statement, the Chancellor will say that he is | :09:27. | :09:31. | |
cutting bills by picking up the cost of some subsidies for green energy | :09:32. | :09:37. | |
and poorer households. The tax payer instead of the bill payer will be | :09:38. | :09:41. | |
picking up the tab. That won't resolve the largely behind the | :09:42. | :09:45. | |
scenes row about how to control the cost of what is really driving up | :09:46. | :09:51. | |
our bills. The headlines which energy is creating now is all about | :09:52. | :09:55. | |
the bills that we will pay now. And yet, the political decisions that | :09:56. | :09:59. | |
need to be taken, the impact of those won't be felt for a very long | :10:00. | :10:05. | |
time indeed. Critically, is our energy affordable? Is it green? And | :10:06. | :10:10. | |
can politicians make sure that the lights really don't go out? | :10:11. | :10:19. | |
The way energy is generated is something that seems to make us | :10:20. | :10:28. | |
angry. We know how we don't want it to be generated, we just can't seem | :10:29. | :10:33. | |
to agree on how we do want it to be done. Coal, too dirty. Think how | :10:34. | :10:39. | |
this place used to darken London. Nuclear, too anxiety making. | :10:40. | :10:44. | |
Fracking, too intrusive, perhaps too disturbing. Windfarms, not where we | :10:45. | :10:50. | |
can see them, thank you very much. Where does that -- what does that | :10:51. | :10:57. | |
leave? Not a lot. David Shukman asks why we can't make up our minds about | :10:58. | :10:59. | |
the kind of energy we want? Protests about power. How we get it, | :11:00. | :11:29. | |
where it comes from. Why is everyone so angry about energy? | :11:30. | :11:49. | |
I have come to Yorkshire, a land where the rocks hold which seems of | :11:50. | :11:57. | |
coal and where the winds race over the hills offering a very different | :11:58. | :12:03. | |
sort of power. No single kind of energy can answer all of our needs. | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
We have a mix and the question is how that should change? | :12:09. | :12:15. | |
The challenge with energy is that each type of it has pros and cons. | :12:16. | :12:32. | |
Burning coal, is cheap and polluting. Nuclear, offers a nice, | :12:33. | :12:38. | |
steady 20%, but it is expensive. Which leaves renewables like wind. | :12:39. | :12:46. | |
It is intermitt inintermittent, but who would want one of these on their | :12:47. | :12:50. | |
doorstep? Those are the choices. What do we want? | :12:51. | :12:58. | |
So how to decide what is right. Gary Smith is the conservation director | :12:59. | :13:03. | |
of the Yorkshire Dales National Park. His priority is challenge. So | :13:04. | :13:11. | |
he likes wind power, but just doesn't want it here. Why do you | :13:12. | :13:15. | |
keep objecting to windfarms? I think the answer to that question is | :13:16. | :13:19. | |
really is what we can see around us here. You wouldn't like a lovely big | :13:20. | :13:24. | |
200 turbine farm over here, but generating a lot of power? Yes, I | :13:25. | :13:28. | |
think as a society, you know, we ne energy. That's a given. But not | :13:29. | :13:33. | |
here? But not in this particular location. Does that make you a | :13:34. | :13:39. | |
NIMBY? Possibly. How conflicted do you feel personally as someone who | :13:40. | :13:44. | |
says they are interested in tackling climate change, but as the man who | :13:45. | :13:49. | |
not only doesn't allow wind turbines in the park, but stops many others | :13:50. | :13:53. | |
around the edge of the park? Climate change is happening, we think. It | :13:54. | :13:58. | |
seems like this. It. Scientists tell us, it is and we are seeing signs of | :13:59. | :14:06. | |
how that is changing the park, but it is a slow and gradual process. | :14:07. | :14:11. | |
It doesn't merit plastering this place with wind turbines? It doesn't | :14:12. | :14:16. | |
merit plastering this place with wind turbines right now. Even though | :14:17. | :14:21. | |
we are chilly. There is a still breeze coming off the hills. If you | :14:22. | :14:28. | |
were a windfarm director, you would think this is a cracking place. What | :14:29. | :14:31. | |
about the stuff that fuelled Industrial Revolution? | :14:32. | :14:39. | |
Coal lies in a great mountain down the road in South Yorkshire. This is | :14:40. | :14:44. | |
Britain's largest power station and because coal is polluting, it is | :14:45. | :14:49. | |
another target for protest. Coal is a dirty word for environmental | :14:50. | :14:57. | |
campaigners. Phil Garner represents the British coal industry. It is a | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
great day for wind. There is a nice breeze and the turbines are | :15:03. | :15:05. | |
spinning. Why do you think wind isn't the answer and that coal is? | :15:06. | :15:12. | |
Wind is not the answer in itself. It has got a part to play, but it is a | :15:13. | :15:19. | |
minor contributor when in comparison with a station like Drax. This | :15:20. | :15:26. | |
windfarm over its last 12 months generated less than 1% than what | :15:27. | :15:32. | |
Drax is capable of producing. You think that's an argument for keeping | :15:33. | :15:41. | |
our coal stations, but building more ones? By having more efficient | :15:42. | :15:44. | |
boilers and more efficient turbines, gives you the opportunity then to | :15:45. | :15:51. | |
put it in storage later. That's down the track. You accept that coal | :15:52. | :15:55. | |
right now is the most polluting form of energy, isn't it? Yes. You can't | :15:56. | :16:01. | |
argue with that? No. Do you accept then that carbon emission have a | :16:02. | :16:07. | |
role in climate change or could do? The answer is I don't know. I am not | :16:08. | :16:11. | |
convinced... You don't accept the science on that? I am not sure that | :16:12. | :16:16. | |
the science is proven, but equally, I am not sure that we can afford to | :16:17. | :16:20. | |
ignore it. As it goes now, that power station | :16:21. | :16:25. | |
is chucking out a lot of carbon dioxide. It is chucking out a load | :16:26. | :16:30. | |
of carbon dioxide at the moment, but equally, it is producing a lot | :16:31. | :16:35. | |
affordable electricity. If we don't want coal because it is too | :16:36. | :16:39. | |
polluting or wind because we think the turbines are an eyesore, how | :16:40. | :16:47. | |
about nuclear? To explore the nuclear option, I've | :16:48. | :16:54. | |
come to Hardwell in Oxfordshire. This is the old reactor hall. It is | :16:55. | :17:00. | |
amazing, isn't it? I am with Mark, an environmentalist who now sees | :17:01. | :17:08. | |
nuclear energy as essential. Nuclear is the bright new thing. This was | :17:09. | :17:13. | |
commissioned in 1956. It is freezing in here. It is bone chillingly cold. | :17:14. | :17:22. | |
What was it that, is as it were flipped you into being a green, | :17:23. | :17:26. | |
pro-nuclear convert? You have been talking about how you have been | :17:27. | :17:29. | |
reading into the science of climate change? If you want to deal with | :17:30. | :17:34. | |
climate change and you want to keep global temperatures rising, we have | :17:35. | :17:38. | |
to generate lots of zero carbon power. What about wind? They will be | :17:39. | :17:44. | |
a major part of the solution and I would like to see them upscaled, but | :17:45. | :17:49. | |
if you do that, if you take nuclear out of the mix, you can't rule the | :17:50. | :17:52. | |
world. Would you be happy to have a nuclear | :17:53. | :17:56. | |
power station on your doorstep? Nobody wants to have any type right | :17:57. | :18:02. | |
next to where they are living? No. The only acceptable form of energy | :18:03. | :18:07. | |
is magic! It could be high-speed rail or wind turbines and people are | :18:08. | :18:12. | |
against everything. If I had to have a power generating source near me, I | :18:13. | :18:18. | |
would rather it was nuclear rather than coal or gas. This is one of the | :18:19. | :18:25. | |
Government's hopes, home-grown gas, produced by fracking. But this faced | :18:26. | :18:31. | |
objections too. I was in Downing Street as an anti-fracking petition | :18:32. | :18:39. | |
was handed to the Prime Minister. A dairy farmer is worried that the | :18:40. | :18:49. | |
flaking could contaminate the milk. We have said we would welcome wind | :18:50. | :18:53. | |
turbines. I think they are attractive. I have nothing against | :18:54. | :18:57. | |
them. You would be happy with wind? I am happy with wind. I am happy | :18:58. | :19:02. | |
with solar. I am not a fan of windfarms. What about a big nuclear | :19:03. | :19:08. | |
power station? No one wants nuclear. How about a coal fired power | :19:09. | :19:13. | |
station? No one wants anything as ugly as that. | :19:14. | :19:21. | |
Back in the Yorkshire Dales, it strikes me, we are going to need big | :19:22. | :19:24. | |
energy projects soon and they have got to go somewhere. Whichever type | :19:25. | :19:29. | |
of power you choose, it is going to make someone angry. | :19:30. | :19:40. | |
Basically, only six big companies provide most of Britain's energy. | :19:41. | :19:47. | |
Not very many and not, it seems, enough to ensure that there is real | :19:48. | :19:52. | |
old-fashioned competition between them. Have we become stuck with | :19:53. | :19:57. | |
them? Is the energy market simply one big fix? A question for our | :19:58. | :20:02. | |
contributing editor this month, Hugh Pym. | :20:03. | :20:10. | |
The energy market seems shrouded in mystery. For many us of paying | :20:11. | :20:14. | |
electricity bills, it is hard to understand what is going on. How do | :20:15. | :20:18. | |
our power stations link up with those bills? Is there enough | :20:19. | :20:22. | |
competition to ensure households and businesses have enough choice? Is | :20:23. | :20:29. | |
the market really working? I've been on a journey to try to get some | :20:30. | :20:35. | |
answers. Starting in Suffolk near the nuclear power station, Sizewell | :20:36. | :20:40. | |
B. There has been regulatory and | :20:41. | :20:44. | |
Government failure. I met Catherine from the University of East Anglia. | :20:45. | :20:49. | |
She is one of the leading academic experts on the domestic energy | :20:50. | :20:52. | |
market. She has been following it closely since privatisation in the | :20:53. | :20:57. | |
1990s. There is some competition in this market. I think there could be | :20:58. | :21:01. | |
more. I think it is worrying the way profits have gone up in recent | :21:02. | :21:05. | |
years. I think we need to really understand what isn't working. But | :21:06. | :21:10. | |
in all the ars, you have been studying it, is it less competitive | :21:11. | :21:16. | |
since privatisation? It certainly seems a comfortable deal that's | :21:17. | :21:19. | |
happening at the moment. So I think there are reasons to worry about it. | :21:20. | :21:28. | |
One issue I wanted to get to grips with, was the structure of the big | :21:29. | :21:35. | |
energy companies. How are they organised? Do they dominate too much | :21:36. | :21:40. | |
of the landscape? Is it a cosy club, unwilling to allow in new members? | :21:41. | :21:50. | |
How is the house Hold market for energy supposed to operate? And why | :21:51. | :21:54. | |
do some people argue it could be working a lot better for consumers? | :21:55. | :22:00. | |
Most people know the majority of household energy comes from the big | :22:01. | :22:04. | |
six suppliers, but what about power generation? Will the big six only | :22:05. | :22:08. | |
directly or through another part of the same business group a large | :22:09. | :22:12. | |
amount of the economy's generating capacity. Some of them supply their | :22:13. | :22:17. | |
own gas to households as well. Critics say this link between retail | :22:18. | :22:23. | |
and supply, so-called vertical integration, is not healthy because | :22:24. | :22:28. | |
it makes it a lot harder for new competitors to come in and help | :22:29. | :22:33. | |
shake up the market. Could this be an industry which | :22:34. | :22:37. | |
works better for it's customers than energy? Airlines and airports. | :22:38. | :22:42. | |
Ownership has changed. New competitors arrived and cut fares. | :22:43. | :22:49. | |
John is a former boss of the watchdog, the Office of Fair | :22:50. | :22:51. | |
Trading. He told me there are lessons here for how the energy | :22:52. | :22:58. | |
market might be regulated. How competitive are airlines and | :22:59. | :23:00. | |
airports? Consumers can compare fares easily. They can switch | :23:01. | :23:06. | |
airlines. New airlines can enter the market and airlines play the | :23:07. | :23:09. | |
airports office against each other. How does it compare with domestic | :23:10. | :23:16. | |
energy? In domestic energy, it is difficult for consumers to compare | :23:17. | :23:20. | |
prices and it is difficult for new players to come into the market and | :23:21. | :23:27. | |
thirdly, all the energy retailers are integrated. Is it like airlines | :23:28. | :23:39. | |
not owning airports? Yes, the airlines market would be less | :23:40. | :23:43. | |
competitive and the airline example is the way in which the energy | :23:44. | :23:48. | |
market might work better. He wants to see a full blown inquiry into | :23:49. | :23:51. | |
domestic energy by the main watchdog, the Competition Commission | :23:52. | :23:55. | |
just like there was a few years ago for the airport industry. | :23:56. | :24:03. | |
It is all about allowing a level playing field for smaller | :24:04. | :24:15. | |
competitors. Ecotricity is taking on the big six energy companies | :24:16. | :24:19. | |
supplying electricity to households. The founder told me signing up | :24:20. | :24:23. | |
customers wasn't easy. The switching process is complicated, | :24:24. | :24:26. | |
unnecessarily so. It is probably flawed from a customer's point of | :24:27. | :24:30. | |
view because the big six can make it difficult. He thinks complex systems | :24:31. | :24:34. | |
needed by energy suppliers could deter new players from joining the | :24:35. | :24:38. | |
market. You need a couple of million quid now to become an energy company | :24:39. | :24:44. | |
and you know, we did it back in the early 1990s with ?10,000. It is | :24:45. | :24:51. | |
quite different, but not insurmount ableg able. If you were starting | :24:52. | :24:56. | |
today, would you pursue it? I often say I wouldn't do it again because | :24:57. | :25:01. | |
it has been a battle being an independent energy company. So what | :25:02. | :25:15. | |
are the big energy companies make of this? How competitive do they think | :25:16. | :25:19. | |
the market is? I have come to one of the big six, E.ON to get the | :25:20. | :25:25. | |
company's prospective on how the market is working. | :25:26. | :25:40. | |
I was shown around the power station by Sara. She argued that retail | :25:41. | :25:45. | |
customers could see easily what sort of deals they were getting in | :25:46. | :25:48. | |
comparison with other offers. She said E.ON had a clear internal split | :25:49. | :25:53. | |
between its generation activities and supplying households. But her | :25:54. | :25:58. | |
company accepts that a full independent inquiry is the only way | :25:59. | :26:01. | |
to test whether the market really is working. The energy companies have | :26:02. | :26:04. | |
come in for a huge amount of criticism. Do you accept that you | :26:05. | :26:08. | |
have got a big job ahead of you to rebuild trust? I am really conscious | :26:09. | :26:13. | |
of the fact that you can't go out there and say, "We want to be | :26:14. | :26:17. | |
trusted." Trust has to be earned and that's what we are trying to do it. | :26:18. | :26:24. | |
We want to show people that we are open. We are prepared to have an | :26:25. | :26:29. | |
organisation come in and really look into our business. I think that | :26:30. | :26:33. | |
demonstrates our integrity and the way that we are prepared to be | :26:34. | :26:45. | |
tested if you like. So are things any better elsewhere | :26:46. | :26:49. | |
in Europe? How do the energy markets work there? I headed to Brussels to | :26:50. | :26:56. | |
find out more. In Belgian and Germany and the Netherlands, | :26:57. | :27:00. | |
competition is seen as more effective because their markets are | :27:01. | :27:04. | |
more connected. But in others, it is a different story. The commission's | :27:05. | :27:11. | |
top energy regulator believes there is a problem and it is one affecting | :27:12. | :27:15. | |
the whole European Union. Is the market for UK domestic energy | :27:16. | :27:20. | |
significantly less competitive than in other European countries? The UK | :27:21. | :27:27. | |
situation is mirrored elsewhere and it is worse elsewhere because there | :27:28. | :27:30. | |
are less competitors on the market. Some of our national markets have | :27:31. | :27:36. | |
only one supplier and that is an indication that progress is being | :27:37. | :27:40. | |
made, but it is not enough to simply to have more than one supplier. You | :27:41. | :27:43. | |
have got to have the information which allows you to make an | :27:44. | :27:47. | |
intelligent choice on switching which is not obvious. | :27:48. | :27:57. | |
I have come away having heard no claim that the working is working as | :27:58. | :28:01. | |
well as it should, but there are no quick fixes. There is growing | :28:02. | :28:05. | |
pressure for a robust competition inquiry, but this could take a | :28:06. | :28:08. | |
couple of years at least. Questions are being asked well beyond these | :28:09. | :28:14. | |
thors over whether consumers across Europe get a fair deal. While | :28:15. | :28:21. | |
wholesale prices rise, the debate will get noisier. | :28:22. | :28:34. | |
In a few years time, Battersea Power Station will be about as different | :28:35. | :28:43. | |
as it could be. From the purpose it was once built for. That's typical | :28:44. | :28:48. | |
of the way things in the advanced economies are going, of course. | :28:49. | :28:52. | |
Most, though not all of those economies, are moving away from | :28:53. | :28:56. | |
making essentials to providing the good things of life. Here, where the | :28:57. | :29:03. | |
clouds of CO2 once used to rise into the atmosphere, people will live and | :29:04. | :29:08. | |
enjoy themselves. Rich people for the most part, who won't even think | :29:09. | :29:13. | |
about how the energy it depends on is generated. Just as long as it | :29:14. | :29:18. | |
keeps flowing and doesn't cause them any problems. | :29:19. | :29:26. | |
Well, that's it from Battersea in London until we meet again, goodbye. | :29:27. | :29:35. |