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This is BBC World News America.

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Reporting from Washington,

I'm Laura Trevelyan.

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He's fired.

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Rex Tillerson is out

as Secretary of State,

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the latest departure

from the turbulent

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Trump administration.

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My commission as Secretary of State

will terminate at midnight, March

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the

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will terminate at midnight, March

the 31st.

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As Britain demands answers

from Russia over the poisoning

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of a former spy and his daughter,

President Trump declares the US

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is with Britain all the way.

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He lost his mother to cancer and now

seven-year-old Noah is using his

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personal journal to help others.

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Welcome to our viewers on public

television here in America,

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and also around the world.

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There was yet another

high profile exit from

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the Trump White House today,

as the Secretary of State Rex

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Tillerson was fired by tweet.

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Donald Trump used his favourite

platform to announce that

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Mr Tillerson would be replaced

by the CIA Director Mike Pompeo.

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Mr Tillerson famously refused

to deny that he had once

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called his boss a moron.

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He spoke today of maintaining

continuity at the State Department.

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What is most important is to ensure

an orderly and smooth transition at

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a time the country continues to face

significant policy and national

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security challenges.

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Rex Tillerson speaking earlier.

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Now, the build up to his departure

as secretary of state

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had been a long one.

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Our North America Editor

Jon Sopel explains.

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Rex Tillerson was flying back

overnight to Washington

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from a long trip

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to Africa when the normally

buttoned-up Secretary of State cut

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loose with journalists,

but unbeknown to him,

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the President had signed his death

warrant and it would be

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death by tweet.

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"Mike Pompeo, director

of the CIA, will become

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our new Secretary of State.

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He will do a fantastic job.

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Thank you to Rex Tillerson

for his service."

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But Tillerson is not on Twitter

so excuciatingly it fell

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to his chief of staff

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to ring him and inform them

of his demise, only this after this

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from the President.

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I wish Rex a lot of good things,

I think he will be very happy,

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much happier now, but I really

appreciate his service.

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Tillerson's fate was probably

sealed a long time ago

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when he apparently called

the President a moron,

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a claim the Secretary of State

did not exactly deny.

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I'm not going to deal

with petty stuff like that.

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I mean, this is what I don't

understand about Washington.

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I'm not from this place,

but the places I come

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from we don't deal with that kind

of petty nonsense.

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Then there was the public

undermining of the Secretary

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of State by the President,

sending family members to do some

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of the work that would normally be

done by America's top diplomat,

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and public shaming

on Twitter like this.

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"I told Rex Tillerson,

our wonderful Secretary of State,

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that he's wasting his time trying

to negotiate

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with little rocket man".

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The new man will be Mike Pompeo,

currently head of the CIA.

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He recently spoke to the BBC.

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On most things, he's firmly

aligned with the President,

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but on Russia he acknowledges

the threat they continue

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to pose to US elections.

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I have every expectation

that they will continue to try to do

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that, but I'm confident America

will have a free and fair election,

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and will push back in a way

that is sufficiently robust

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that the impact they have

on our election won't be great.

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Tillerson and Trump never gelled,

the former CEO of Exxon

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was a corporate titan but he's

now political roadkill.

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Surely the place with the lowest

life expectancy anywhere

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in the world, being a member

of the Trump Administration.

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Jon Sopel, BBC News, Washington.

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For more on Rex Tillerson's firing,

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I'm joined now by the BBC's

State Department Correspondent

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Barbara Plett-Usher.

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Rex Tillerson was sacked in the most

undiplomatic way possible. But what

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did you think what the nature of his

response when giving that statement

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to reporters?

He was quite measured

and and and Mr Trump and from the

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moment he came into the State

Department he has talked about what

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he calls his values honesty and

honesty and integrity and respect.

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He mentioned those again today in a

statement and urged State Department

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officials to abide by those things

into in the word kindness, which I

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think was quite a contrast because

he didn't get any of that from his

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boss.

Rex Tillerson also saddened

that the parking statement that if

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Russia continues on his current

path, it will become increasingly

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isolated. The topic where he clashed

with the president. What that meant

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to be a shot across the bow?

Possibly. He had already spoken

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critically on Russia on his way back

from Africa. He also said I've been

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trying to work with the Russians on

issues of mutual concern for the

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past year and have not got very far.

They have taken a pivot towards in

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aggressive stance and his statement

today about the troubling behaviour

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from Russia and that it was going to

isolate itself and continue in this

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way in Washington needed to respond,

he seemed to be sending a real

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message that his boss does not

stand.

People that he would be soft

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on Russia because of his length with

Russia because it came from an oil

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company. On North Korea, Richarlison

was mocked by the President for

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pursuing a diplomatic pot but now

Donald Trump may have a sit down

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with Kim Jong-Un. Did he lay the

groundwork?

I think you could say he

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did. He would then started the

policy to isolate North Korea

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diplomatically and economically,

which seem to have borne some fruit

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and help to set the stage for Kim

Jong-Un's diplomatic overtures and

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he moved Mr Trump towards the policy

but he himself said negotiations are

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whole other ball game and said

coming back from Africa come he is

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the best delete them because I have

experience creating conditions for

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bringing to the parties together

with success. That may have been a

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last-minute pitch for his job now

that we looked at a hindsight but we

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know that he will be leading them.

Thank you for joining us. -- he will

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not be leading them.

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For more on how this Cabinet

shake-up could affect the workings

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of the US government,

my colleague Katty Kay and spoke

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earlier with William Cohen,

former US Secretary of defence.

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That was for our programme

Beyond 100 Days.

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Give us some sense, Secretary Cohen,

the importance of the role of the

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Secretary of State. How much did

they change like this reflect a

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change in American policy?

It really

depends on the President of the

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United States. What delegation of

authority the president gives to a

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Secretary of State. It is clear from

this relationship in the beginning

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that President Trump did not give

full authority to Rex Tillerson. And

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that was indicative from the very

beginning, they had disagreements on

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a variety of other issues and their

styles are very different. Rex

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Tillerson come from a corporate

world where if there is a process.

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President Trump comes from his own

world where there is no process. The

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more of a chaotic environment in

which decisions are made on impulse.

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Without great consequence given to

what we saw.

How much does a matter,

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the relationship between the

Secretary of State and the secretary

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of defence? We understand

Richarlison had a good relationship

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with General Mattis. You were

secretary of defence, Albright was

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splendid's secretary, how much did

that matter?

It was very important.

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State and defence sometimes disagree

on major issues. It is important

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that the secretary of defence and

state work together. We did, it was

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a wonderful relationship. In this

case, I expect that Mr Pompeo will

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work very well with Secretary

Mattis. Both our military men, Mike

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Pompeo, first in the class at West

Point, having served in the

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military. I don't think there'll be

any big of opinion. Maybe difference

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of style in terms of how they go

about resolving any differences.

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That was William Cohen speaking

with my colleague Katty Kay earlier.

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President Trump says the US

is with Britain all the way

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following the poisoning of a former

russian spy in the UK,

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so Downing St said today

after a phone call between Mr Trump

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and Theresa May.

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And the President agrees

with the Prime Minister that Moscow

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must provide 'unambigious answers',

on why a Soviet made nerve agent

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was used in the poisoning.

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Russia has denied any involvement,

but the incident has

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created a global backlash,

as our Diplomatic Correspondent

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James Landale reports.

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It began as a brutal attack

on the streets of Salisbury,

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the poisoning of a former Russian

intelligence officer

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and his daughter, that

the UK blames on Russia.

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But it's become a global diplomatic

row, with Britain looking for allies

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in its confrontation with Moscow.

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British ministers meeting again

to discuss the case have given

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the Kremlin until midnight

to explain how a nerve

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agent developed in Russia

ended up in Britain.

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If the response is incredible,

they are promising extensive

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measures against Russia.

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This is a brazen attempt to murder

innocent people on UK soil.

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Policemen still in hospital,

overwhelmingly likely or highly

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likely the Russian state

was involved, and the use of this

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nerve agent would represent

the first use of nerve agents

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on the continent of Europe

since the Second World War.

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As part of a huge diplomatic

effort across Europe,

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British officials told the chemical

weapons watchdog in the Netherlands

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that Russia was implicated

in the use of chemical weapons.

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Germany, France and other

allies offered support

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without attributing blame,

but Donald Trump at least appeared

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to accept Russia might be involved.

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As soon as we get the facts

straight, if we agree with them,

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we will condemn Russia or whoever

it may be.

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Russia is already subject

to sanctions because of its

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interventions in Ukraine and Crimea.

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Ministers insist these damage

Russia's economy but their impact

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on Moscow's behaviour is doubtful.

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Crucially, these are largely EU

sanctions, the UK can't

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impose them on its own.

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So, what unilateral options

is the Government considering?

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Some of Russia's 58 diplomats

in London could be expelled but that

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might promote a tit for tat

expulsion of British diplomats.

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Wealthy Russians in London

with links to the Kremlin could face

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financial sanctions and travel bans,

but who and how?

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There could be tougher laws to crack

down on Russian officials guilty

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of human rights abuses,

and Russian TV stations

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like RT could be targeted.

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The regulator has already warned it

could lose its licence.

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Here at the Foreign Office,

they are also investing a lot

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of effort and diplomacy in trying

to bring international

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pressure to bear on Russia,

but the bar is high.

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Russia has a veto at the UN and some

EU countries are reluctant

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to contemplate yet more sanctions.

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To date, the Russian Embassy said

accusations of involvement

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in the Salisbury attack

were groundless as diplomats

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promised retaliation

against any new sanctions.

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Russia is not a country to be spoken

to in the language of ultimatums.

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I think it is high time

the UK learned that.

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But unless Moscow gives Britain

a satisfactory answer by midnight,

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some Russian diplomats here might be

clearing their desks very soon.

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James Landale, BBC News.

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For more on this unfolding drama,

I spoke earlier with John Sipher,

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a former member of the CIA's

Senior Intelligence Service,

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who served in Russia.

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You know the Russians well, when

they denied all involvement and say

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this is groundless, what does that

really mean?

It means nothing. Putin

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is a checkers, which means his KGB

past, original Russian KGB. They are

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taught to deny and lie in these

things. We have seen in a consistent

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pattern of this when the shut down

the Malaysian aeroplane for example

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decent little green men into

Ukrainian to cover Crimea. They also

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lie and say they didn't do it. We

are seeing a similar pattern here.

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What do you make a President Trump,

who was rather silent yesterday, but

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today he is saying that Russia

should have unambiguous answers

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provided to all these questions? Is

that tough enough?

It is not tough

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enough by itself. It is good that he

said that because he has been quite

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before these things. But we have

seen in the past how we reacted to

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the Crimea Take-over and how we

reacted to the push of chemical

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weapons in in Syria and the murder

in London. In the attack against our

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system in the United States, there

hasn't been a serious response and

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therefore, Putin being a bully,

pushes and places until he is pushed

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back.

As an expert in Russia, you

were serving with the CIA, what do

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you think an effective response

would be to this poisoning by

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Britain and the US and Nato?

First,

I think the Western allies have to

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be together on this. I want to be

careful because as an officer we are

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not policy makers. It is not up to

us to say what should be done but

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clearly some sort of joint activity.

The things important to Mr Putin are

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staying in power and his money.

Something that affects of those

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things will matter whether it's

abuses for the children, Russian

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sports teams coming around, boycott

of the World Cup, something that

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matters to Putin. -- when the

British are setting this deadline,

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does that mean anything in Moscow? I

don't think so. They will not admit

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this. It's pretty clear. They will

try to find other ways to move out

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of it and if the allies allow them

to, they will get away it.

With the

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CIA hat on what message do you think

the Russians are trying to send out

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or what message does that send out,

the poisoning of a former spy there

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in Britain?

Adjusting to me that the

poisoning of this person in

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particular, I would have played him

hi on the hierarchy of his enemies,

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Putin. He has medically he considers

the factors traders and they don't

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go after them. However, Mr Sergei

was exchanged in a negotiation at

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the ten citizens in the United

States were arrested red-handed. I

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am surprised that he was hit, there

could be a reason for that, trying

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to send a specific signal or his GR

you pass and military pressure but

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there is some piece missing here.

The fact they went after him so

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brazenly in London suggests to me

there is more to the story.

Thank

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you for joining us.

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In other news...

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British police are investigating the

death of an exile from the country.

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Nikolai Glushkov, who's been found

dead at his home in London.

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A former director at the airline

Aeroflot, Glushkov left Russia

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after being convicted of fraud.

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Officials say there's no

evidence linking the death

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to poisoned Russian spy,

Sergei Skripal.

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You're watching BBC

World News America.

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Still to come on tonight's

programme: Donald Trump has been

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California dreamin',

about border walls, as he views

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prototypes on his first visit

to the state as president.

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Investigators in Nepal

are still trying to work out

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what caused a plane crash

in which at least 49 people died.

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A Bangladeshi plane crashed

on landing at Nepal's

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airport in Kathmandu.

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The airline has blamed

air traffic control,

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Rajini Vaidyanathan has more.

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A day on from a plane crash

which claimed so many lives

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and survivors are starting

to recount the final moments before

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the aircraft came down.

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Sanam Shakya remembers it making

an emergency landing.

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TRANSLATION: After the forced

landing it eventually stopped.

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For a while we were not

sure what happened.

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When I looked around I heard people

panicking and screaming.

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For the families of those on board

there is still a desperate wait.

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Many are in hospital

seriously injured.

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TRANSLATION: On Sunday I had

a conversation with my son.

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He said he was coming

in on the night flight and asked me

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and my wife to come to the airport.

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So on Monday we arrived

at the airport at 5am

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and stayed until 8pm.

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Two planes came, but my

son's did not arrive.

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This devastating air crash has left

two countries in mourning.

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TRANSLATION: The whole

of Nepal has come to a halt.

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This has been a big,

tragic incident.

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We are very saddened by it.

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TRANSLATION: I have told

the Prime Minister of Nepal that any

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sort of assistance they need,

Bangladesh is always

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ready to provide.

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We will assist.

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Most of the passengers

were from our country so I am

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expressing my condolences to those

who died and their families.

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The cause of the crash

is still unknown.

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The airline and airport

authorities have pointed

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the finger at each other.

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But the airline's chief

executive said that whatever

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the cause was, he was sorry.

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Once again lives have been lost

in a plane crash in this

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mountainous terrain,

Nepal's worst since 1992.

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Just after news broke that he had

fired his Secretary of State,

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President Trump headed

West for his first trip

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to California since taking office.

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Politicians there have been

critical of his policies,

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from climate change to immigration.

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Last week, the administration filed

a lawsuit saying California's

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protections for illegal

immigrants are unconstitutional.

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Earlier, my colleague Katty Kay

spoke with Xavier Becerra,

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California's Attorney General,

for her programme Beyond 100 Days.

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Attorney General, your state has the

biggest economy in the United

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States. Is it odd that it has taken

the president this long to visit

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California?

If you go by past

experience, definitely is because

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most presidents from Roosevelt

forward have always made effort to

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visit California, not just early but

often. I'm not sure why Donald Trump

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has waited so long since they can

learn so much about what makes a

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nation successful. We are at the

economic engine the country, but

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were also the six largest economy in

the world come close to passing

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Great Britain as the fifth economic

power in the world.

Maybe I can give

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you a suggestion about why. You are

very Democratic state and see my

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President Trump's supporters as the

hotbed of the political resistance.

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He doesn't like the politics of

California, simple as that, isn't

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it?

Maybe it is a he talked, we act,

maybe it's that he talks success, we

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show success. All I know is that

California creates more jobs than

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any other state. We are number one

in manufacturing, agriculture,

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technology, hospitality,

entertainment, we graduate more

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people from colleges than any other

state in the nation. That is a

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pretty good record of success that I

would hope that not just a nation,

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but every state will want to

emulate.

Are concerned that the

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president has the capacity to head

back against economic success,

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whether it's by building a wall with

Mexico, he is looking at prototypes

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today, or whether it's by taking

action against California cities, so

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cost insurers it is, that protect

undocumented people living in the

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country?

Best sanctuary city. I

believe the lie lie will be on our

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side, not just history. I, the law.

The institutions that we have in

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this country are strong, I believe

they can withstand the winds from

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Washington, DC and Donald Trump can

say what he likes, it is whether the

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federal government has the right to

do these things under the law. So we

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will see Donald Trump in court

whether it's on the border wall, or

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his attempt to cars states like

California to do his bidding on

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immigration enforcement enforcing

our public safety officers to do

0:20:420:20:48

immigration. We're not in the

business of deportation, we are in

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the business of Public safety. We

are prepared to abide by the loss

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and let the institution of our

governments how and when Donald

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Trump can act.

What is that actually

mean? You say that you are prepared

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to fight back against some of the

things the president has proposing,

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clamping down on people who are in

the country illegally and clamping

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down on building a wall but he is

the president. What can you do about

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that? You cannot stop them from

building a wall with Mexico.

We can

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stop them from doing those things

that fall within the federal

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government's province, the

responsibility of the federal

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government. We recognise that.

Immigration enforcement is a federal

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responsibility. But even with

immigration enforcement you must do

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it according to the Constitution.

When Donald Trump tries to violate

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people's constitutional rights, we

can step in and we have. So far we

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have proven that onto many

occasions, Donald Trump has violated

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the very last he supposed to

enforce. That is why today the

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dreamers, the individuals in young

people in America horse waiting for

0:21:510:21:53

status code Donald Trump decided to

deport by cancelling the programme,

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are still here and the fact that the

programme remains in effect because

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of a core challenge that we

instituted and we had a nationwide

0:22:030:22:06

injunction stopping Donald Trump

from terminating the DACA programme.

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We are so dim on the border wall and

we will see with echoes and will try

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to do what we can to defend the

rights and the people in California

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and see whether the girls. -- and

see where that goes.

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Now many of us have journals

where we write down our feelings,

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but for seven-year-old Noah Orion,

the pages became a place to express

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himself when his mother

was sick with cancer.

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When she died last fall,

his drawings became a way

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to illustrate his grief.

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Now his journal is being made

into a book - with the proceeds

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Recently we spoke to

Noah about the project.

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It is a book where you express your

feelings about each date you have.

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I was like how can I make a book

where I can just Dunn like one of

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those journals.

Noah created this

journal, or to delete idea he came

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up with on his own. A good day

version and a bad day version.

A bad

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day would be like when something

goes wrong. A good date would

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basically be holidays, winning video

games. But if you cannot find a good

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day or a bad day in that day, you

don't have to write about that.

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About five years ago, said he was

diagnosed with breast cancer. She

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was diagnosed at stage four. --

Sandy was diagnosed.

Who is said

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the?

My mum. She was a real trooper

when we found out. She went camping

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with us one time.

We've always had a

conversation in a family about how

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to support your feelings or write

them down. When Sandy started to get

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sick it was something we talked

about a lot.

Dad saw me with these

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and said that is awesome.

I wanted

to show him that his bright idea

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that help people.

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He said something to me today that I

was really great. He I want people

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to know that they can make a

difference and they can help even if

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they are only seven years old. I

thought that was really a sweet

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thing.

I feel awesome that I can

contribute. And help them to not

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have the same thing we want to.

I

know his mum would be so proud of

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what he has accomplished. I know she

would be really proud of what he is

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doing.

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No is an inspiration to us all.

Thank you for watching BBC.

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I'm Laura Trevelyan.

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