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Beyond One Hundred Days.

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The big three internet giants

are called to testify in Congress.

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Lawmakers are demanding

to know what Facebook,

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Twitter and Google have learnt

of Russia's interference

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in the 2016 election.

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New reports show Russian-backed

posts may have reached 126 million

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Americans on Facebook

during the campaign.

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President Trump calls

George Papadopoulos a liar -

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the campaign advisor who is now

co-operating with the Russia probe

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is not popular in the White House.

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The head of Catalonia's independence

bid says he isn't seeking asylum

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in Brussels to avoid

possible rebellion charges.

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Also on the programme:

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A woman tells the BBC how a senior

British Labour Party figure

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persuaded her to drop allegations

of rape by a party member.

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The father of the Russian Revolution

- a century on the statues

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of Lenin are hard to miss,

as they were at the height

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of the Soviet Union.

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That means that wherever you went

in the USSR there was at least one

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Lenin thinking about you,

taking care of you,

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or just watching you.

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Get in touch with us using the

hashtag 'Beyond-One-Hundred-Days'

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Hello and welcome -

I'm Katty Kay in Washington

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and Christian Fraser is in London.

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Donald Trump today wants to talk

about tax reform, his Asia trip,

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Hillary Clinton and even

the White House's Halloween

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decorations, but American

journalists, prosecutors

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and lawmakers are all consumed

with the dramatic developments

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in the Russia investigation.

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No amount of candy is

going to change that.

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Meanwhile on Capitol Hill,

the three big tech companies

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are being hauled in to answer

questions about their unwitting

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involvement in Moscow's bid

to meddle in the 2016 election.

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In detailed disclosures sent

to Congress on Monday,

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Facebook revealed the Internet

Research Agency, a Russian company

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linked to the Kremlin,

had posted 80,000 ads

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over two years.

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Roughly 110 a day.

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29 million people accessed

them directly, before

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and after the election.

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Those posts were liked, shared

or followed by 126 million users.

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As for Twitter, in the three months

prior to the election,

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the site identified more than 36,000

automated accounts, that posted

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1.4 million election-related

tweets linked to Russia.

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Those tweets received

approximately 288 million views.

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And those who believe he should stay

put.

Whether or not his body remains

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on red square, Vladimir Lenin is

little more than a museum piece now

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to most Russians. A curiosity. A

relic of a lost world. These are the

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live pictures from congress and that

is the head of Google giving

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evidence.

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Let's cross live to Capitol Hill

now where we can speak

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to Congressman Joaquin Castro.

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He's a Democrat who sits on the

House Intelligence Committee.

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Facebook's argument seems to be that

126 million users sounds like a lot,

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but in the scheme of things it is

tiny compared to the number of posts

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that go up each day on Facebook. But

since it only took 80,000 votes to

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decide the election in three states,

I want is possible that Facebook

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decided the election?

It is

certainly an incredible amount of

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Americans exposed to posts that were

basically designed by Russian agents

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to influence the 2016 elections in

the United States. So 126 million

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Americans is a very big deal and I'm

looking forward to hearing from

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Facebook and others on what they

plan to do to combat that in 2018

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and 2020.

These days when we go on

Facebook, we favourite something and

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the algorithms point us to things

that our friends and colleagues

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like. That is the problem here, 29

million people have direct access to

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these ads, but it spreads further

and wider than that?

That's right,

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what is interesting is the strategy

is they want to get it into the

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blood stream of social media. Once

it is there, you have legitimate

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people, Americans, citizens, voters,

who spread it. It is like starting a

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small fire that spreads and because

with Facebook and other social media

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companies, there is an exemption

about having a disclaimer about who

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is paying for political ad, that

made it harder for Americans to

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recognise that something was wrong

here.

Are you convinced these

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companies now take this Serce Josly?

-- seriously? I think they are. But

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what congress wants to see is a plan

of action to root this out. So far I

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think Facebook has taken it more

seriously than Twitter. Twitter is

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now coming along. But there should

be no excuse here. They need to talk

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about exactly how they're going to

make sure that this doesn't happen

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again.

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Congressman stay with us

because we want to ask

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you about the developments

in Bob Mueller's investigation.

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Mr Trump's former campaign manager

Paul Manafort and aide Rick Gates

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are spending their first day under

house arrest after being indicted

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by the special counsel yesterday.

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Today on Twitter, the President went

after George Papodopolous,

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his former campaign foreign policy

advisor who is now

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co-operating with the FBI.

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Few people knew the "young,

low level volunteer named George,"

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he said "who has already proven

to be a liar.

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Check the DEMS."

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The White House press Secretary gave

this reaction to the Mueller

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investigation.

You seem obsessed

with this while there are other

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things happening that people care

more about. The media refuses to

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cover it, instead of the focus being

on tax cuts. If you look at the

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records, the questions that I take

in here day out have more to do with

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an investigation that frankly most

Americans don't care much about and

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a lot less to do with policies that

impact them.

Congress man Castro,

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your reaction to that, most

Americans are not interested in the

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Russia investigation.

I think she

should resign as press Secretary.

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She is issuing outright lies to the

American people. The folks that seem

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like they're taking it least serious

tend to be the White House and her

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comments reflect that. It is

disengeneral use and what you saw

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yesterday, particularly the guilty

plea of George Papadopoulos is that

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there is more and more evidence of

collusion between members of Trump

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campaign and the Russian agents who

interfered with the 2016 election in

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the United States. As the special

counsel's office said yesterday,

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George Papadopoulos was just one

small part of a much larger

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investigation.

What the Republicans

would say is it was Hillary Clinton

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who was colluding with the Russians

and their campaign wanted dirt on

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Donald Trump. Isn't that the same

thing?

Well, first, Fusion GPS was

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hired by a very conservative

publication and picked up by the DNC

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and the Hillary Clinton campaign.

There is no question that opposition

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research is the underbelly of

politics, but when somebody does

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research on another person, or

candidate, they're going to find

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whatever's out there. If somebody

hasn't paid their taxes, they will

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find that.

Isn't that what George

Papadopoulos said he was doing.

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There is a difference between

opposition research with a foreign

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Government and research among

Americans. Those are two very

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different things. The dumping of

e-mails was meant to affect the

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election in a direct way and that is

what it seems like he was try to

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accomplish.

Thank you for joining

us. Interesting, his comments about

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what is going on at the White House

and saying the press Secretary

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should resign.

It is a bit Alice in

wonderland, the things that we are

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hearing, it doesn't bear any

relation to what we saw in the

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indictments. Have you seen the front

of White House, it is covered in

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giant spiders and cob webs. I manage

there was a moment when Donald Trump

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thought has Hallowe'en come early.

Not only was he trying to

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concentrate on the sealed

indictments that were being opened,

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but he had to play host to these

witches and monsters.

It gives me,

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this is the video the White House

put out, you wond wler the president

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-- wonder whether the president

isn't thinking the White House is

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the haunted house and he would

rather be somewhere else. He did

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hand out cannedy to a little girl

and told her it was a good thing she

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didn't have a weight problem.

We

will return to that the story on

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Paul Manafort and Rick Gates later.

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Here in Britain, a former member

of Labour's National Executive

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Committee has told the BBC

she was raped at the age

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of 19 at a party event

by a party member

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and was then persuaded

by a senior Labour official

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to drop her allegations.

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Bex Bailey is now calling

for an independent agency

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to investigate reports of assault

and harassment within the party.

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Our political correspondent

Vicki Young reports.

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Bex Bailey has decided to speak out.

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She hopes talking about her personal

ordeal will help change the way all

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political parties handle allegations

of sexual misconduct.

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She says she was raped

at the age of 19, and the

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party didn't do enough to help.

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I was seriously

sexually assaulted at

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a Labour Party event by...

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It wasn't an MP, but

someone who was more

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senior.

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To me, I told a senior

member of staff.

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It was suggested to me

that I not report it.

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I was told if I did

it might damage me.

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I wasn't given good

advice, I wasn't given

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a procedure when I asked

for

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it so that I could see

what would happen if I did

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report it then make a

decision.

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It seemed to be there

wasn't one that existed.

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Bex Bailey believes this

is a problem that goes

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right through politics

at every level.

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Yesterday, MPs called for a change,

and the need to give people

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confidence their complaints

would be taken seriously.

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One of the things it

needs is an element of

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independence.

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Women need to be able to report

to an independent agency

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so that they know that

these issues will be

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dealt with fairly,

that the

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political bias will be taken out

of them, and so that they feel

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they can have the confidence

to report these

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difficult issues without feeling

that they will be penalised as

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a result.

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The Labour Party has responded

to the interview, saying,

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"We would strongly recommend

that the

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police investigate the allegations

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of criminal actions that

Bex Bailey has mentioned."

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They also say they will

want an independent

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investigation into claims that

an employee acted improperly over

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these 2011 allegations.

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There have been rumours

at Westminster over sexual

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misbehaviour and the BBC has seen

a list of claims, many unproven,

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against several Conservative

MPs and ministers,

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but the real concern

here

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is that all political parties have

been too slow to support and

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encourage those who want to speak

out about bullying, harassment and

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sexual assault.

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This summer, Labour beefed

up its procedures to deal

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with complaints of sexual harassment

to make sure they are dealt with

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sensitively.

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My leader Jeremy Corbyn takes this

issue very seriously.

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We take a zero tolerance approach

to any allegations of harassment,

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both within Parliament

and our party, and

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he said he will work

with Theresa May to find

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an overarching system where people

can feel confident that

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if they make a complaint

it is dealt with seriously.

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Everyone seems to agree

that the system must improve,

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but taking the politics out of these

sensitive issues will not be easy.

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Vicky Young, Westminster.

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It's not entirely clear

what Charles Puigdemont

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was doing in Brussels today -

sight-seeing perhaps,

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eating good food, or maybe escaping

the long arm of the Spanish courts.

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The Catalonian separatist leader

insists he's not actually

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seeking asylum and for its part

Brussels says it certainly didn't

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invite him for a visit,

nor does it recognise his so far

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failed independence bid.

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It all adds to the confusion

surrounding his plans

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and the future of the region.

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Mr Puigdemont told a news conference

that if he'd stayed in Spain it

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would have provoked a violent

reaction from the

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Spanish government.

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He insists he is still Catalonia's

legitimate president

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even though Madrid has dismissed

all the separatist leaders and wants

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to charge Mr Puidgemont

with rebellion and sedition.

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I'm not here in order to demand

political asylum. This is not about

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a Belgian question. I'm here in

Brussels as the capital of Europe.

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This is not a matter of the...

Question of the Belgium politics. It

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has no relationship. I'm here in

order to act with freedom and

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safety.

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Tim Willcox joins us

now from Barcelona.

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How much disappointment is there

among separatist members, rank and

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file, at Carles Puigdemont

hot-footing it to Brussels and

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staying there?

Well, do you know

quite a lot. I have been speaking to

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some hard lined supporters who think

he has betrayed them. He has gone

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and left some members of his former

cabinet here to face the music and

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that music could start soon. He

talks of freedom and safety. He said

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he is not seeking asylums, but he

has has set up a web-site of his

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government in exile. A lot of his

supporters find that offensive. They

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say in the Franco erow the people

who left did so -- era the people

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who did leave would have been

killed. One other development is the

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Attorney General has already put

perspective charges against Carles

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Puigdemont and members of his

cabinet to the national court, the

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judge has now decided that she wants

to hear from Carles Puigdemont and

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the others and she has summoned them

to Madrid on Thursday morning with

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that hearing expected to run over to

Friday as well. Very serious

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charges. Charges of sedition and

rebellion and misuse of public funds

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that could lead to a prison sentence

of 30 years. I wouldn't put a lot of

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money on Carles Puigdemont willingly

returning to Madrid to make that

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appearance. Because he said he

doesn't think he will get a free and

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fair trial by the Madrid

authorities.

On that point, this

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could at some point put the

Europeans in a sticky position, the

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Prime Minister of Belgium said he

has the same rights and

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responsibilities as any other

European citizen. But if he is

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charged with those crimes, you can

imagine they will have to hand him

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back to the Spaniards?

Well yeah, if

there is an international arrest

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warrant what, happens then? On the

point of the Belgian Prime Minister,

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the last thing he wants to do is

have a spat with Spain. He has made

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that very clear. But remember he is

in a fragile coalition and the

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largest member of his coalition, its

leader is saying we won't turn our

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back on our Catalan friends and he

said that they would defend and

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support puj. -- Carles Puigdemont.

So it is another looming headache at

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the least for the EU. And indeed for

the supporters of Carles Puigdemont

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and the former government here in

Catalonia. Because they talk about

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betrayal, millions of them thought

that Carles Puigdemont was going to

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take them to independence. He has

now fled the country. He is not

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going to come back until he gets

some commitments from Madrid, which

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I don't think he will get, and some

of his supporters say this has put

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the cause for independence back many

years, although Carles Puigdemont

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said he will take part in elections

called for in December. Something

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which had he announced himself would

have prevented according to Spain

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the entire implementation of direct

rule.

Thank you very much.

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I'm joined now in the studio

by spokesperson for

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the Catalan National Assembly

in England Carles Suarez.

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Do you feel betrayed?

Not let's not

forget that the last time that the

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Spanish state put into jail a

Catalan president he was

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assassinated.

But that is not going

to happen now.

He has been asked a

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30 year sentence for organising a

referendum.

Aren't revolutionaries

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supposed to stand and fight. These

leader.

But it is a democratic

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revolution. These revolutions are

winnable in polls. That is what we

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did and we are going to do again in

December.

What about the opposition

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to Mariano Rajoy in Catalonia, why

is not very visible. There is no

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sign of people taking to the streets

or you know the Government going

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into the Catalan Parliament and...

That is true.

Why is that not

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happening?

Independence was

proclaimed on Friday. Carles

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Puigdemont and members of his

government have gone into exile in

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Belgium. It is true home rule from

Spain is controlling the territory.

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But his narrative of why this is

being done, because he wanted to

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avoid another brutal, violent act

from the Spanish state. What he is

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saying it, let's go a bit slower.

Let's not take to the streets and

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defend the republic street by

street. But let's try to regain the

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mandate and that will happen in the

elections in December.

Was it just

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too early for you to call the

referendum on independence. Were you

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not ready for it. It doesn't look

like you had the steps in place

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after the vote.

I know where you're

coming from. It is not readiers

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because the preparations for 2014

referendum. I don't think it is a

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question of design of how to go from

the proclamation to independence. He

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decided to take a step back and go

the process slower, keep the calm

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and peace in the country. We also

want sprain did on referendum on

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referendum with the brutality of the

police. He doesn't want civil

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servants to be put in that position.

I understand your point, but this is

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directing to a re-mandate for

independence.

Thank you very much.

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It is hard to see how it doesn't

look like a victory for Madrid, but

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nay didn't handle it well on

referendum day, but they seem to be

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getting most of what they want now.

You were talking of revolutionaries.

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It's one hundred years

since the Russian Revolution,

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an event that would define

the 20th century.

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All this week our Moscow

correspondent Steve Rosenberg

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will be crossing Russia to report

from cities connected

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to that historic event.

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Today he's in Moscow, the final

resting place of Vladimir Lenin.

0:20:440:20:47

In the second of his special series

Steve looks at how modern Russians

0:20:470:20:50

view the founder of Bolshevism.

0:20:500:20:53

In a park outside Moscow,

these are the ghosts of

0:20:530:20:56

communism past.

0:20:560:21:00

Like a freak show of fallen idols.

0:21:000:21:01

And the Red Star of this show

is Vladimir Lenin, who led

0:21:010:21:05

the Russian revolution.

0:21:050:21:10

There were an estimated

14,000 statues of

0:21:100:21:12

this man in the Soviet Union.

0:21:120:21:13

That means that wherever

you went in the USSR,

0:21:130:21:15

there was probably at least one

Lenin thinking about you.

0:21:150:21:18

Taking care of you.

0:21:180:21:20

Or just watching you.

0:21:200:21:25

But communism did more

than make statues of him.

0:21:250:21:29

It preserved his body

and put it on display.

0:21:290:21:32

"Lenin is more alive

than the living," declared

0:21:320:21:34

one Soviet slogan.

0:21:340:21:37

A whole scientific

institute was set up to

0:21:370:21:39

maintain the corpse.

0:21:390:21:42

Over time, it has had

to replace some skin and

0:21:420:21:44

flesh with plastics

and other material.

0:21:440:21:48

Lenin's Red Square Mausoleum

was a site of pilgrimage in

0:21:480:21:52

the late USSR - the late

revolutionary quite literally

0:21:520:21:54

cult viewing.

0:21:540:22:00

It's one of the ironies of the

Russian Revolution that the man who

0:22:000:22:04

led it, the Bolshevic who waged war

on the church and once

0:22:040:22:07

declared, "There can be nothing more

abominable than religion," that this

0:22:070:22:11

man, Vladimir Lenin,

ended up the closest thing

0:22:110:22:13

communism had to a God.

0:22:130:22:18

His body put on display

here in the mausoleum and deified

0:22:180:22:20

like a Soviet saint.

0:22:200:22:24

But 100 years after Lenin's

revolution, might it now be

0:22:240:22:27

time to consign the mausoleum

to history and commit

0:22:270:22:29

his body to the ground?

0:22:290:22:34

I believe that he should be buried.

0:22:340:22:36

This symbol of the revolution

should find its proper

0:22:360:22:38

place, not on the red Square.

0:22:380:22:42

Over our dead body, says

the Communist Party.

0:22:420:22:47

"No one is going to lay a finger

on him," the party leader says,

0:22:470:22:51

"and if anyone dares to try,

we'll chase them away."

0:22:510:22:57

Stanislas has a connection

to the burial business.

0:22:570:23:00

His company decorates

funeral accessories.

0:23:000:23:03

There is a Lenin connection too -

he is Vladimir Lenin's great,

0:23:030:23:06

great grand nephew.

0:23:060:23:12

One idea, Stanislas says,

is to bury Lenin in

0:23:120:23:15

the mausoleum to satisfy those

who think he should lie in the

0:23:150:23:18

ground and those who believe

he should stay put.

0:23:180:23:24

Whether or not his body remains

on Red Square, Vladimir

0:23:240:23:27

Lenin is little more than a museum

piece now to most Russians.

0:23:270:23:30

A curiosity.

0:23:300:23:31

A relic of a lost world.

0:23:310:23:41

I'm loving this series, we should

have Steve on the programme every

0:23:420:23:47

night, whether or not it is the

anniversary of the Russian

0:23:470:23:50

revolution.

I remember reporting on

the war in Ukraine and every where

0:23:500:23:57

you walked there was statues of

Lenin and they were pulling them

0:23:570:24:02

down when I was there and they have

pulled down about 1,300. In Putin's

0:24:020:24:08

Russia, they don't know what to do

with them, whether to take them town

0:24:080:24:12

or honour them. That tells you how

complicated their history is.

There

0:24:120:24:22

will be one day of President Trump.

0:24:220:24:25

The official portraits

of President Donald Trump

0:24:250:24:27

and Vice President Mike Pence

have been released.

0:24:270:24:29

Copies of the portraits will be

printed by the Government Publishing

0:24:290:24:31

Office and distributed to post

offices, federal agencies and other

0:24:310:24:34

government buildings.

0:24:340:24:36

They look like school photographs.

Why has it taken so long to get

0:24:360:24:40

these. Nine months since he took

office. It talk President Obama

0:24:400:24:46

three months.

I think it is to do

with Donald Trump and image. He is

0:24:460:24:51

somebody who all his career has been

very focussed on visuals, whether

0:24:510:24:55

when he was doing The Apprentice or

working in television, the look of

0:24:550:25:00

things and the lighting when he did

the Republican convention, the

0:25:000:25:04

lighting of it, the stage setting,

all important to Donald Trump. I

0:25:040:25:08

don't know if that is why it has

taken so long. But these photo

0:25:080:25:14

matter to him. I think we should

produce one for you. I could see an

0:25:140:25:19

official portrait.

It would need

some air-brushing.

The BBC budget

0:25:190:25:26

doesn't run to a statue.

Perish the

thought I would say that had any

0:25:260:25:35

air-brushing but mine would.

0:25:350:25:37

This is Beyond 100

Days from the BBC.

0:25:370:25:39

Coming up for viewers on the BBC

News Channel and BBC World News -

0:25:390:25:42

we've more from Capitol Hill

as lawmakers pour over those

0:25:420:25:45

incredible figures from Facebook,

which say millions of Americans

0:25:450:25:47

were exposed to Russian material

during the US election.

0:25:470:25:49

And not that George,

the other George -

0:25:490:25:52

namesakes the world over sympathise

and stand in solidarity

0:25:520:25:54

with George Papadopolous -

the financial planner,

0:25:540:25:55

not the former Trump campaign aide!

0:25:550:25:57

That's still to come.

0:25:570:26:06

Thankfully Hallowe'en weather is

quiet in many parts. Particularly

0:26:110:26:14

for England and Wales. Just the odd

splash of rain in northern England.

0:26:140:26:20

Wetter in northern Scotland. And

some rain over night in Northern

0:26:200:26:24

Ireland too. But for many dry with

clearer skies in England and Wales

0:26:240:26:32

with some mist and fog patches and

into Wednesday morning the focus for

0:26:320:26:39

wet weather will be in Scotland.

Mainly from the southern Highlands

0:26:390:26:45

down to Glasgow and Edinburgh and

the north coast of Northern Ireland.

0:26:450:26:53

The east coast of Scotland will be

brighter. England and Wales after

0:26:530:26:59

that morning mist and fog should be

fine. More sunshine than today. It

0:26:590:27:04

should feel warmer. Temperatures up

to 15 or 16 Celsius. Brighter

0:27:040:27:11

conditions in the east of Scotland.

But still wet weather in the south

0:27:110:27:14

of Scotland, linked to this front

which will edge southwards, bringing

0:27:140:27:21

thicker cloud and mist and fog. But

a cheerer night and cold in

0:27:210:27:28

Scotland. It does mean into

Thursday, other than this weak

0:27:280:27:33

front, with a zone of cloud, that

will continue to push into the

0:27:330:27:36

southern parts of England and Wales,

some rain and drizzle. Much of

0:27:360:27:42

northern England and Northern

Ireland will have a fine day. Not

0:27:420:27:45

warm. But you will have the sunshine

to compensate. More cloud for all of

0:27:450:27:52

us into Friday. The best of bright

skies in the east. Some rain in the

0:27:520:27:59

north-west of Scotland and Northern

Ireland. And we will see another

0:27:590:28:03

feature through Friday night

bringing heavy rain into England and

0:28:030:28:07

Wales. That becomes the dominant

feature. But it doesn't stop us from

0:28:070:28:13

seeing colder air for the weekend.

That will push across all parts and

0:28:130:28:17

bring us a mixed weekend. A weekend

full of fireworks for some with

0:28:170:28:24

sunshine and some showers in the

north and west. For all a chilly

0:28:240:28:28

breeze too.

0:28:280:28:30

This is beyond 100 days.

Representatives of Google Facebook

0:30:160:30:19

and Twitter are testifying before a

US senators to determine whether

0:30:190:30:24

Russia used their services to try to

sway the 2060 presidential election.

0:30:240:30:32

President Trump has called former

campaign adviser George Papadopoulos

0:30:320:30:36

liar. And coming up, China has new

tougher penalties for anyone found

0:30:360:30:48

disrespecting the flag and anthem.

And milking Brexit, will need the UK

0:30:480:30:53

dairy farmers looking beyond Europe

to grow their businesses before

0:30:530:30:56

leaving the EU. Let us know your

thoughts by using our hashtag,

0:30:560:31:02

beyond 100 days. President Trump is

said to be seething as he watched

0:31:020:31:15

the developments yesterday in the

Mueller investigation. George

0:31:150:31:27

Papadopoulos had pleaded guilty and

was now cooperating with the FBI.

0:31:270:31:31

Russia is it clear did attempt to

make contact with the Trump campaign

0:31:310:31:35

and offered so-called dirt on

Hillary Clinton in the form of

0:31:350:31:38

e-mail. It is also not clear from

detailed disclosures that fake news

0:31:380:31:43

was disseminated on Facebook,

Twitter and Google for years. In the

0:31:430:31:48

weeks after the election Mark

Zuckerberg said the idea that fake

0:31:480:31:51

news on Facebook had influenced the

vote was crazy. But two months ago

0:31:510:31:56

the social media site announced a

$100,000 had been spent on US

0:31:560:32:00

political advertisements by an

operation likely based in Russia. In

0:32:000:32:05

September Mark Zuckerberg retracted

his earlier statement, he said it

0:32:050:32:09

was the longer crazy that fake news

could have influenced the election.

0:32:090:32:14

Facebook handed in information on

3000 advertisements linked to Russia

0:32:140:32:18

to Congress. And of course today we

learned that they could have been

0:32:180:32:23

spread to 126 million people. Our

North America technology

0:32:230:32:30

correspondent is here and watching

all of the hearing. We heard the

0:32:300:32:34

intelligence committee then told

that the social media giants are

0:32:340:32:39

beginning to take this more

seriously. What is your view on

0:32:390:32:42

this?

That is the impression they're

trying to give. Today we heard the

0:32:420:32:48

testimony from the three companies.

They have all been keen to stress

0:32:480:32:53

that they have done a thorough

investigation into the nature of

0:32:530:32:58

this problem but also have been

working on solving the problem for

0:32:580:33:02

several years. Google said it had a

team in place since 2014 to try to

0:33:020:33:07

combat this. But some of the

questions from the panel to the tech

0:33:070:33:11

companies are quite revealing about

where the investigation might be

0:33:110:33:15

going. So they asked which other

countries may also be trying to

0:33:150:33:20

influence American voters.

Potentially whitening is out there.

0:33:200:33:24

And also the nature of some of the

messages and interestingly Facebook

0:33:240:33:28

saying that after the election had

finished the nature of what Russian

0:33:280:33:33

backed groups were hosting was sent

to disrupt the validity of the win.

0:33:330:33:41

So it seems that the goal has been

to destabilise the American

0:33:410:33:49

democratic system. So revealing

hearing so far and still to on

0:33:490:33:53

Wednesday as well.

The president of

courses take is this did not happen,

0:33:530:34:00

it could mean anyone. He refers to a

£400 bloke sitting on a bed. It will

0:34:000:34:08

be harder for them to stick to the

line.

I think he's been thrown a

0:34:080:34:13

bone by Facebook when they said they

were trying to attack Donald Trump

0:34:130:34:16

as well. If we are going to get an

early morning message from the

0:34:160:34:22

president that might be the detail

he latches onto because there is a

0:34:220:34:26

running theory that these

advertisements from the Russians

0:34:260:34:28

were trying to attack Hillary

Clinton alone. But it seems based on

0:34:280:34:34

what the companies have told the

committee today that that was not

0:34:340:34:37

the case, it was just about staring

debate and making people talk about

0:34:370:34:45

inflammatory issues during the

election such as race and

0:34:450:34:47

immigration.

All this of course is

happening on Capitol Hill are mile

0:34:470:34:53

away from the White House.

Administration officials dealing

0:34:530:34:57

with the fallout. Joining us now for

a reaction to that is lawyer and

0:34:570:35:05

author Alan, thank you for joining

us. Just to get your reaction to

0:35:050:35:09

everything that we heard yesterday

coming out of the special Counsel

0:35:090:35:13

office and how serious you thought

that might be for the

0:35:130:35:18

administration?

Really no surprise

to anyone who has seen how criminal

0:35:180:35:21

law and prosecution practice here in

the US works. I predicted this three

0:35:210:35:28

months ago. And what the tactic is

is to try to find anyone close to

0:35:280:35:35

the president is vulnerable. On

taxes, online to the government, and

0:35:350:35:40

then inviting them and squeezing

them and trying get them to let

0:35:400:35:43

another domino for, some even closer

to the President. The ultimate goal

0:35:430:35:49

is the big domino in the Oval

Office. But the problem is it gets

0:35:490:35:53

people not only to sing but also to

compose. To improve their story, to

0:35:530:36:00

elaborate on it and even outright

lie. Because these witnesses know

0:36:000:36:06

that they will get a sweeter deal.

So it is a dangerous tactic.

0:36:060:36:11

Speaking as a lawyer, if you were

prosecuting a case like this would

0:36:110:36:15

someone who was at a low level like

George Papadopoulos or someone at

0:36:150:36:20

the higher level and sat in on

meetings like Paul Manafort, be more

0:36:200:36:24

useful to you potentially?

Generally

the person who is closer to the

0:36:240:36:28

target is more useful but in this

case they may have had the younger

0:36:280:36:34

person wearing a wire, they may have

a proactive cooperating witness. He

0:36:340:36:40

pleaded guilty to lying and you

cannot use a liar as a witness, that

0:36:400:36:44

is easy to cross-examine by any

defence attorney. So they wanted him

0:36:440:36:51

to gather evidence, hard evidence on

tape whether that worked or not, I

0:36:510:36:56

doubt it. If it did I think we would

know about it.

What think that

0:36:560:37:01

Robert Mueller, what is his tactic,

three sealed indictments yesterday,

0:37:010:37:07

what is he trying to say to the

administration?

I do not think he's

0:37:070:37:11

trying to talk to the administration

at all but talk to witnesses who

0:37:110:37:16

might be vulnerable and have them

come forward and say, if you come to

0:37:160:37:21

us proactively we will give you get

out jail card. I do not think there

0:37:210:37:28

is any message to President Trump

himself except perhaps to worry

0:37:280:37:32

because people closest to him are

vulnerable and people resent that.

0:37:320:37:37

Paul Manafort would never have been

investigated where he not close to

0:37:370:37:42

President Trump. But once they start

looking they found alleged tax

0:37:420:37:46

evasion, alleged laundering and then

they had him and they were able to

0:37:460:37:50

squeeze in. I think they will try to

do that with everyone close to

0:37:500:37:53

President Trump and so the message

really was more to people close to

0:37:530:37:58

the present than the President

himself.

Of course we should make

0:37:580:38:01

the point that in the indictment

yesterday with regards to Paul

0:38:010:38:06

Manafort there was no reference at

all to the Trump campaign or to

0:38:060:38:09

Donald Trump.

It might well have

been jaywalking or double parking,

0:38:090:38:15

it does not matter. Jaywalking

woodwork, the penalty is not severe

0:38:150:38:19

enough but it does not have to be

related to the crime, or the need to

0:38:190:38:24

do is have the ability to leverage

the indictment, to get them to

0:38:240:38:29

testify and provide evidence. So if

you can get something that relates

0:38:290:38:33

to Russia that is better. And they

did that but the other defendant,

0:38:330:38:37

but with Paul Manafort and gates it

is irrelevant that they had nothing

0:38:370:38:44

to do with the Russia probe as long

as they have him and they can

0:38:440:38:48

squeeze him and maybe get evidence

about the Russian probe.

Thank you

0:38:480:38:52

very much. This is interesting, you

heard the lawyer talking about the

0:38:520:39:02

possible state of mind up the

President and think he's not the

0:39:020:39:05

person getting the message does not

need to be so worried but the

0:39:050:39:08

American press reports today from

the White House still leaking like a

0:39:080:39:13

sieve, and it pretty clear that the

president himself was watching

0:39:130:39:17

television as these indictments came

down and were unsealed and is George

0:39:170:39:22

Papadopoulos was also revealed in

the press. And it caused a certain

0:39:220:39:25

amount of consternation that he was

not happy with this and the way it

0:39:250:39:28

was being portrayed in the press.

And the chief of staff John Kelly

0:39:280:39:33

last night

0:39:330:39:43

saying it was incredibly distracting

for the President, making his

0:39:450:39:47

presidency harder to accomplish with

the John Kelly interview

0:39:470:39:48

interesting, he said it all happened

before they joined the campaign.

It

0:39:480:39:55

was clear that George Papadopoulos

had gone to meet this contact here

0:39:550:39:58

in London when he was already on

board with the President Trump

0:39:580:40:03

campaign. And there are pictures of

him sitting with Donald Trump and

0:40:030:40:06

also with the head of this foreign

policy advisor committee. They are

0:40:060:40:11

both sitting there and trying to

refer to George Papadopoulos as the

0:40:110:40:18

coffee boy.

And it was made clear

that George Papadopoulos was

0:40:180:40:23

approached by the Russian operative

oddly called the professor, this is

0:40:230:40:27

a guy who is a Russian agent. He was

approached specifically because it

0:40:270:40:32

was on the Tramp campaign. Not a

coffee insight! Police in the UK

0:40:320:40:41

have investigated sexual abuse

allegations made by seven women

0:40:410:40:44

against the Hollywood film producer

Harvey Weinstein. The incidents are

0:40:440:40:48

alleged to have taken place between

the early 1980s and 2015 in London

0:40:480:40:52

and outside the UK. Harvey Weinstein

has denied any allegations of

0:40:520:40:59

nonconsensual sex. Netflix has

announced the production of their

0:40:590:41:03

House of Cards next season has been

suspended until further notice in

0:41:030:41:06

the wake of claims of sexual

misconduct against its star Kevin

0:41:060:41:10

Spacey. That Kwik Save they want

more time to review the situation

0:41:100:41:15

and address concerns. The former

Italian Prime Minister Silvio

0:41:150:41:19

Berlusconi is under investigation

for alleged involvement in a series

0:41:190:41:22

of Mafia bombings in 1993 which left

ten people dead. Prosecutors

0:41:220:41:28

advanced open enquiry after an

imprisoned Mafia boss was caught on

0:41:280:41:31

a wiretap saying that he had urged

him to commit violence against the

0:41:310:41:35

state. Billy Connolly has been

knighted just a few weeks ahead of

0:41:350:41:41

his 75th birthday. Honoured for

services to entertainment and

0:41:410:41:44

charity as well as comedy. His

best-known work is the film Mrs

0:41:440:41:49

Brown and The Hobbit. Many stories

before this about people behaving

0:41:490:42:00

not very well! China is considering

tougher penalties for those who

0:42:000:42:07

disrespect the national anthem or

flag. The draft law says behaviour

0:42:070:42:17

could be punishable by up to three

years in prison at the moment people

0:42:170:42:20

who mock the national emblems can be

held in custody for up to 15 days.

0:42:200:42:26

This is the kind of story that can

be found on Drew the column of tell

0:42:260:42:31

me something I don't know. But it

has serious implications for people

0:42:310:42:38

in Hong Kong. In the past month or

so football fans in particular have

0:42:380:42:43

been disrespecting the anthem.

Building on the pitch when the

0:42:430:42:47

Chinese flag is raised. Or the

anthem is played. -- building. And

0:42:470:42:53

if they face imprisonment for that

it would be quite serious indeed.

0:42:530:43:00

Let's bring you breaking news now,

from New York. Police say they are

0:43:000:43:06

investigating reports of gunfire in

the lower Manhattan area. One person

0:43:060:43:09

has been taken into custody we

understand. It is not yet known if

0:43:090:43:13

anyone has been injured. We do have

one message that is coming from

0:43:130:43:21

police officials. Let's see if we

can bring that up, responding to a

0:43:210:43:25

sports of shots fired in lower

Manhattan. That is all we have at

0:43:250:43:29

the moment. Still to come on the

programme, the Bank of England

0:43:290:43:37

warning about job losses in a

post-breadth of Britain. But we find

0:43:370:43:40

out if the news is all bad. -- post

Brexit.

0:43:400:43:47

Police said they believed one man

and five of his children aged

0:43:470:43:51

between four and 11 died in a fire

that ripped through a farmhouse in

0:43:510:43:56

Wales yesterday. Tributes have been

paid to David Cuthbertson who lived

0:43:560:43:59

at the property with other members

of his family. Three children

0:43:590:44:03

managed to escape. The investigation

into the cause of the fire is under

0:44:030:44:07

way.

0:44:070:44:16

Flowers and messages,

remembering five children who died.

0:44:160:44:18

The youngest was four,

the eldest 11 years old.

0:44:180:44:20

The farmhouse where they lived

with their father David Cuthbertson

0:44:200:44:22

was completely destroyed.

0:44:220:44:23

Police believe the 68-year-old also

died in the fire in the early hours

0:44:230:44:26

of yesterday morning.

0:44:260:44:27

The damage is so severe police can't

yet formally identify the victims.

0:44:270:44:30

Mary Ann Gilchrist

is a family friend.

0:44:300:44:33

She describes David Cuthbertson

as a devoted father,

0:44:330:44:36

who also had grown up

children living nearby.

0:44:360:44:39

I mean, what I find so horrific

is that one of the people

0:44:390:44:43

who were responding was his

son-in-law who works for,

0:44:430:44:47

you know, our retained firm.

0:44:470:44:50

Can you imagine?

0:44:500:44:52

His children are all sweet,

intelligent, and he should...

0:44:520:44:59

I'm sure he was very proud of them.

0:44:590:45:03

But I really don't think I can say

any more, not at the moment.

0:45:030:45:06

I'm sorry, it's too raw.

0:45:060:45:10

That sadness is shared

in the local village.

0:45:100:45:13

In the Post Office funds

and clothes are being collected

0:45:130:45:15

for the three children -

aged 13, 12 and 19 -

0:45:150:45:20

who managed to escape the fire.

0:45:200:45:22

We just wanted to feel

that we were doing something

0:45:220:45:24

as a community, and we've had people

putting piggy banks

0:45:240:45:28

in there, their piggy bank

money in this morning.

0:45:280:45:31

In the local church,

thoughts and prayers

0:45:310:45:33

are with the family.

0:45:330:45:35

A book of condolence has been

opened, and its planned

0:45:350:45:37

that a special service

will be held later.

0:45:370:45:47

You're watching beyond 100 days was

at the Bank of England has warned

0:45:570:46:01

75,000 jobs could be lost from the

UK financial services sector if the

0:46:010:46:05

UK leads the European Union without

a trade deal. Senior figures at the

0:46:050:46:09

back are said to be using the number

as the scenario for future planning

0:46:090:46:13

but are thought to be optimistic

that negotiations will be

0:46:130:46:15

successful. Earlier we spoke to the

BBC economics editor. The problem is

0:46:150:46:24

because these figures come from the

Bank of England, Brexiteers will say

0:46:240:46:27

that they are discredited and that

the government once again is putting

0:46:270:46:33

out the worst-case scenario?

I do

not think that would be quite fair.

0:46:330:46:38

The Bank of England has asked all

financial institutions in the city,

0:46:380:46:44

banks and hedge funds and others to

provide to them what they describe

0:46:440:46:49

as contingency plans. They were sent

to the bank over the summer and I

0:46:490:46:52

think this number has come from that

process. The bank, many in the city

0:46:520:46:59

you're right would say an ideal

scenario is the worst-case scenario.

0:46:590:47:03

I didn't take everyone in the bank

thinks that is what will happen

0:47:030:47:06

necessarily but they say they must

make sure the financial institutions

0:47:060:47:09

in London are prepared for what

might be described as the worst.

0:47:090:47:14

Some in the bag are optimistic that

there will be a much more closer

0:47:140:47:19

deal between financial services in

London and financial services in the

0:47:190:47:23

European Union and the rest of the

European Union. Not just because

0:47:230:47:26

that is important for the UK but

also important for the European

0:47:260:47:31

Union. London is the global

financial centre for Europe. It

0:47:310:47:35

funds not only British businesses

but also helps to fund European

0:47:350:47:40

governments and European businesses,

helps them to raise money. It has

0:47:400:47:45

got very deep capital markets and

therefore the bank, best suggestion

0:47:450:47:49

of 75,000 jobs I think is what many

people would describe as a

0:47:490:47:53

worst-case scenario. That does not

mean that London itself. Being the

0:47:530:47:58

global financial capital.

To what

extent do the numbers play into the

0:47:580:48:01

government planning as they are

going through the negotiating

0:48:010:48:04

process?

On financial services it is

going to be one of the toughest

0:48:040:48:12

challenges for the Brexit

negotiators on both sides.

0:48:120:48:16

Disentangling 40 years of history

where financial, London has been the

0:48:160:48:21

gateway to the rest of the EU. On

the British side are financial

0:48:210:48:26

services, we have a trade surplus

with the rest of the EU on financial

0:48:260:48:30

services so economically for balance

of payments in Britain financial

0:48:300:48:35

services are very important. And for

the European side they are important

0:48:350:48:39

for raising funds for European Union

companies, governments that and also

0:48:390:48:46

for the foreign exchange

transactions that mostly take place

0:48:460:48:47

in London for the rest of the

European Union. So when it comes to

0:48:470:48:53

the financial sector itself this is

a high-stakes, very important but of

0:48:530:48:56

course the free trade deal including

financial services is unusual. And

0:48:560:49:01

not something that usually a free

trade deal encompasses so it will be

0:49:010:49:06

a very challenging area for both

sides to meet. That is why I think

0:49:060:49:10

the banker said you must prepare for

a no deal is that is at least one

0:49:100:49:15

possible outcome of these

negotiations. -- the bank has said.

0:49:150:49:26

Christian, you're meant to be part

of that interview but you got lost

0:49:260:49:29

literally in your own BBC building!

Let's gloss that! What would you

0:49:290:49:39

have asked? Well I'm rather

sceptical about this because I sat

0:49:390:49:42

on a panel with Sir Malcolm Rifkind

last week and he said 75,000 jobs

0:49:420:49:46

sounds like a lot but when you look

at 1.1 million people working in the

0:49:460:49:54

City of London, this is less than

six or 7%. And many banks have said

0:49:540:49:59

we're going move, JP Morgan said

that and they have revised that now.

0:49:590:50:06

Swiss bank, UBS, moving 250 jobs

instead of 1000. They have to make

0:50:060:50:15

arrangements but as the chief

executive of Barclays said, Brexit

0:50:150:50:18

was no more complicated than setting

up a whole new company in America.

0:50:180:50:24

And I still maintain many of these

banks will move offices to big

0:50:240:50:30

cities but will keep the bulk of

their staff here. Take the stairs

0:50:300:50:37

next time! While we heard about the

labour crisis in the fruit and

0:50:370:50:40

vegetable picking industry but also

now the dairy industry. But some

0:50:400:50:47

farmers see Brexit as an

opportunity.

0:50:470:50:58

Imagine pure English pasture

with contented cows,

0:50:590:51:01

farms that have high welfare

standards, producing

0:51:010:51:02

high quality milk.

0:51:020:51:03

This is all material

for a powerful sales pitch,

0:51:030:51:06

and it's helping to open up

markets outside Europe.

0:51:060:51:08

At this plant in Birmingham,

something is happening that's

0:51:080:51:10

never been done before -

fresh British milk is packaged up

0:51:100:51:12

to be sent 4,000 miles to Qatar.

0:51:130:51:17

And now milk from here in Cheshire

and the surrounding counties is soon

0:51:170:51:20

to be transported even further

afield, to China.

0:51:200:51:25

The Chinese have said they find it

more simple to deal just with the UK

0:51:250:51:28

rather than the whole of Europe.

0:51:280:51:31

Would this be happening

without the Brexit vote?

0:51:310:51:33

I believe not.

0:51:330:51:36

We were sat with some very high

decorated officials from the Chinese

0:51:360:51:39

government and one of the comments

that was made was that, look,

0:51:390:51:41

it's very easy to do

a deal with one country,

0:51:410:51:44

very difficult to do

a deal with 27 countries.

0:51:440:51:49

The Brexit deal is crucial

to the industry, the vast majority

0:51:490:51:52

of produce is exported to Europe,

and the UK relies heavily

0:51:520:51:55

on dairy imports.

0:51:550:51:59

Let's have a look at some

of the figures about the industry.

0:51:590:52:01

The number of dairy farmers has

shrunk dramatically.

0:52:010:52:04

Around 20 years ago, there were some

35,000 dairy farmers -

0:52:040:52:06

now that's down to around 13.

0:52:060:52:11

And as for the average price

of a pint of milk, that has gone up,

0:52:110:52:14

by not very much though,

from around 36 pence to around 43

0:52:140:52:17

pence, and many dairy farmers say

that's not enough for them to earn

0:52:170:52:20

a decent living.

0:52:200:52:27

One of the main concerns for dairy

farmers now is labour.

0:52:270:52:30

Go on.

0:52:300:52:31

It takes skill to operate

the machinery and handle

0:52:310:52:33

the animals, but few in the UK

want to do the job, so now almost

0:52:330:52:38

two-thirds of dairy farms

employ foreign staff.

0:52:380:52:45

David Brookes relies

on his family to help

0:52:450:52:47

run his farm in Staffordshire.

0:52:470:52:50

What would it mean for the dairy

industry if controls

0:52:500:52:52

were placed on migrant workers?

0:52:520:52:55

Any farm that's been reliant

on a migrant labour force,

0:52:550:52:59

and there a good many that have

built up their business models

0:52:590:53:03

with large labour requirements,

I think they'd struggle, certainly.

0:53:030:53:09

This is one of the Cheshire farms

now providing the milk

0:53:090:53:12

to Qatar and China.

0:53:120:53:14

James and Rhiannan had

been considering giving

0:53:140:53:16

up their family business,

but not now.

0:53:160:53:19

We feel hopeful and it gives us

a chance to feel, right,

0:53:190:53:22

we can start to continue to invest

in this business and improve it.

0:53:220:53:26

But specific talks over a future

trade deal haven't even started.

0:53:260:53:31

It's up to those around

the negotiating table

0:53:310:53:33

to decide the future

of the UK's farming landscape.

0:53:330:53:37

Claire Marshall, BBC News, Cheshire.

0:53:370:53:46

Some breaking news we're getting

from Manhattan, several people

0:53:460:53:52

injured in downtown Manhattan

according to police. They have said

0:53:520:54:00

one person is in custody. Not much

detail apart from that. It happened

0:54:000:54:07

in the upmarket neighbourhood of

Chambers and West Street.

That is

0:54:070:54:11

close to the BBC offices, the studio

we were in when we did the programme

0:54:110:54:16

yesterday is down on the lower west

side. And it is where police

0:54:160:54:20

apparently are telling the public

not to go to that area, to avoid the

0:54:200:54:24

West side Highway. You can see that

there if you zoom in, close to the

0:54:240:54:28

World Trade Center. Anyone who has

visited may well have been in this

0:54:280:54:33

neighbourhood. But we are getting

very few details. We have one tweet

0:54:330:54:39

from the Manhattan, from the New

York Police Department and we are

0:54:390:54:45

responding to reports of shots fired

in lower Manhattan. More details

0:54:450:54:49

when they are available. That is all

we have at the moment. Of course we

0:54:490:54:53

will carry on following that.

Yesterday we told you about the

0:54:530:55:03

financial planner George

Papadopoulos who got mistaken for

0:55:030:55:05

the Trump aid on Twitter and he was

on the receiving end of some angry

0:55:050:55:08

tweets. Other users with famous

names have been through similar

0:55:080:55:14

mix-ups and they tweeted in

solidarity.

Singer Michael Bolton,

0:55:140:55:20

his tweet, let's just take a look at

that. I feel your pain, brother.

0:55:200:55:28

James Taylor chimed in, we should

record together. And then John

0:55:280:55:34

Ratzenberger joined in. Can we start

a support group? I did e-mail George

0:55:340:55:45

Papadopoulos today, he is with his

mother in Greece and could not come

0:55:450:55:48

on to speak to us. He sent me a nice

e-mail and I replied, probably the

0:55:480:55:55

nicest message he has had in the

past 24 hours!

0:55:550:56:02

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