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There will now be more police

on the streets of New York

after the worst terror

attack there since 9/11.

We're learning more

about the suspect who killed eight

people by driving a truck along

a bike lane.

Authorities say Sayfullo Saipov

from Uzbekistan, was radicalised

in the US and had been planning this

attack for weeks in

the name of Islamic State.

But the city that never

sleeps won't be stopped -

the famous Halloween parade went

ahead as planned and families

turned out en masse.

American politics is less united -

President Trump swiftly attacked

Democrats blaming them for failing

to keep dangerous immigrants out.

What we have right now is a joke.

It's a laughing stock

and no wonder that so much

of this stuff takes place.

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Hello and welcome -

I'm Katty Kay in Washington

and Christian Fraser is in London.

From today there will be more

security on the streets of New York

but the city will not stop -

that's the message from

the governor, the mayor

and the head of the police.

The famous marathon will go ahead

this weekend and New Yorkers

got their candy fix at the Halloween

parade last night.

As investigators look for clue as to

the motivation Manhattan is

determined to show resilience.

President Trump says this

is a reminder that America's

immigration system is too lax

and the justice system too slow.

Nick Bryant has the

latest from New York.

This is a scene that New Yorkers

have dreaded for years,

one that brings back the trauma

of 9/11, one that shows how

this city is vulnerable

to new forms of terror.

A rented pick-up truck

that became weaponised.

A mode of attack that

is common in Europe.

Now it has been used to deadly

effect on American soil,

and just yards from Ground Zero,

the site of the

September 11 attacks.

The antenna on the New World Trade

Ccenter bathed in red,

white and blue, to honour

the eight people killed.

This is the suspected attacker,

Sayfullo Saipov, a 29-year-old

who reportedly shouted

"Allahu Akbar", "God is great",

as he left his truck.

He was brandishing fake weapons,

and was shot by the police

and taken into custody.

Moments earlier, he had

driven at high speed

along a riverside bypass,

targeting cyclists and pedestrians.

This was an attack

on the United States

and an attack on New York City,

an attack on our people, and it was

the definition of terrorism.

An effort to take away

people's hope and spirit,

and to make them change,

and what New Yorkers showed already

is we will not change.

Saipov is an Uzbek immigrant who

came to the United States in 2010.

He is believed to have been

radicalised in America,

and told the police he was very

pleased with the success

of the attack.

One of the early clues investigators

found at the scene were hand-written

notes in Arabic pledging allegiance

to the group calling

itself Islamic State.

But there is no evidence yet

of a direct link to that group.

You got kids in there?

Hold on.

His attack came to an end

when he crashed into a school bus.

Oh my God.

Oh my God.

OK.

I need an ambulance right here.

That was an accident, the suspect

has reportedly told investigators,

because he wanted to continue

down the road.

Police found knives in his vehicle.

Oh my God.

Based on the investigation overnight

it appears that Mr Saipov had been

planning this for a number of weeks.

He did this in the name of ISIS,

and along with the other items,

recovered at the scene,

was some notes that

further indicate that.

He appears to have followed,

almost exactly to a T,

the instructions that ISIS has put

out in its social media channels

before, with instructions

to their followers on how to carry

out such an attack.

Among those killed, five

friends from Argentina.

Men in their late 40s,

in New York to celebrate

the 30th anniversary

of their graduation from college.

Two Americans and a

Belgian were victims.

President Trump has demanded

tough justice and tighter

immigration measures.

We need quick justice

and we need strong justice.

Much quicker and much stronger

than we have right now.

Because what we have

right now is a joke,

and it is a laughing stock,

and no wonder so much

of this stuff takes place.

In his home town, this tower

was erected in defiance of terror,

a symbol of a resurgent city that

refused after 9/11 to be cowed,

and at the ground level this morning

that spirit was very

much in evidence.

Joggers following

their normal routes.

Even a cyclist berating a pedestrian

for getting in her way,

a scene that speaks of New York.

The city has experienced much

worse dawns than this,

and waking up to the threat

of terror has become

part of daily life.

Nick Bryant, BBC News, Manhattan.

The main suspect in this attack -

Sayfullo Saipov - came to the US

through the green card lottery

system, which grants permanent US

residency to around 50,000

immigrants every year.

Today Mr Trump called for that

system to be scrapped -

and seems to be at least partly

blaming the democratic New York

senator Chuck Schumer.

He tweeted...

"The terrorist came into our country

through what is called

the Diversity Visa Lottery Program,

a Chuck Schumer beauty.

I want merit based."

Well, here's what Mr Schumer has

had to say in response

to the president today.

The president should stop tweeting

and start living, the American

people long thought leadership, not

devices and finger-pointing or

name-calling. This is a tragedy,

less than a day after it occurred

and he cannot refrain from his nasty

divisive habits. He ought to lead

and the best way to do that is to

increase anti-terrorism funding.

And joining us now from Capitol Hill

is the Democratic Congressman

for New York City, Gregory Meeks.

Do you think the justice system in

America is a joke at punishing

terrorists?

I absolutely do not

think it is a joke. I do not

understand the president making

these statements but he made what

the tweet he made which is trying to

divide people rather than bring us

together. So I disagree with the

president 100%.

Well today Mr

Schumer made comments to the

proposed cut in the budget of New

York City policing, can you talk to

us about that?

Well we would hope,

and would have thought coming from

New York President Trump would

understand the importance of

terrorist funding and the great job

that our law-enforcement dials on a

continued basis to prevent the kind

of attacks that took place

yesterday. And I applaud the

activities and responsiveness of our

law-enforcement officers. The ever

present has been talking about

cutting some of the terrorist

funding that we see. -- the

president has been talking about it.

That will be counter productive to

preventing these kind of acts from

taking place. So I'm puzzled at

times by the kind of tweeting that

the president utilises as I'm sure

that others are puzzled. It is not

the values that I think we have

here.

It is amazing and a tribute to

New York City that this is the

biggest attack, it is terrible but

the biggest attack in the city since

September the 11th in 2001. What is

New York doing that perhaps other

cities could look at that has

managed to keep a record so low, it

has been until now, this has been a

kind of remarkable tribute to your

police forces.

It is still a

remarkable tribute to the police

forces. Understanding and learning

from what took place in September

the 11th, communicating with one

another, making sure there are

intelligence sharing taking place

and working with law enforcement

agencies weather here domestically

or even internationally because when

we look at what you're doing in the

UK, some of our other allies in

Europe, it is sharing of information

and moving back and forward that can

make all of us safer. I'm concerned

when there is a terrorist attack in

New York City or in the UK or France

or anyplace else, we are in this

together and we need to make sure

our values are those that stand up.

That is how we will defeat the

terrorists, collectively together

and that is what New York City law

enforcement is doing, working

collectively together and we must

continue to do that. The more we

show that in spite of the individual

that sneaks through, that they're

not going to divide us, we're going

to get stronger together. The United

States, the UK and our allies, that

is how we defeat Islamic State and

stop terrorism.

We heard

law-enforcement officials saying

there will now be more police on the

streets of New York ahead of the

marathon of course this weekend. Is

that largely just to make the public

feel safe, do you think?

Know I

think there would have been a large

contingency just as you have

indicated in the past, we have been

successful since September the 11th

and there will be policed their bet

you do not know either. I think it

is a great job that the police

department are doing. They know how

to do it better than most. And it is

a collaborative effort. So just as

you saw last night, right after the

event, the Halloween Parade

continued. Children were going to

school in the area this morning,

people riding bikes again. We will

not allow terrorism to change our

values and the way that we live.

Thank you very much.

Joining me now is our political

analyst Ron Christie who served

as an advisor to president George W.

Bush.

You have an apartment in New York

and you have lived there for a long

time. You know the area well and you

know the city well. Are you

impressed with the way New York is

responding? It seems to be a marked

difference to the response to this

and that some previous attacks with

the city much more resilient.

Yes,

this is just blocks away from where

my apartment is and this is a

bicycle path that will walk on every

weekend. So not some abstract notion

of a terrorist attack in New York

City, that is the neighbourhood

where everyone goes to run, to

cycle, just to enjoy themselves with

beautiful scenery. What struck me is

the fact that this morning we had

people back out there, they are

resilient, running, cycling, and

refusing to back down in the face of

this horrific terrorist attack.

They

are New Yorkers and will not be

cowed. Something else that you deal

with all the time is the political

response to this, coming from the

president. Coming back to September

the 11th, and George W Bush standing

on the rubble of those buildings.

I

can hear you! I can hear you and the

rest of the world hears you. And the

people who knocked these buildings

down will hear all of us soon.

We

have now had terror attacks in the

US under President Bush, president

Obama and President Trump. The

response from President Trump seemed

to be markedly different than the

response from the previous two

presidents?

I think so and

especially looking at the clip that

we just all, it is one of the most

iconic moments of the 21st century,

the president rallying Democrats,

Republicans, independents.

Americans. To stand shoulder to

shoulder. And some of the rhetoric

we have from President Trump this

morning about how the Democrats need

to stop obstruction, it is not about

the Democrats today but about the

country and finding a way to heal

and to move on and making sure as

congressmen mixed told us a few

minutes ago, the real enforcement

officials have all the resources

necessary to prevent another

horrific event that we had

yesterday.

I looked at the lottery

system today that he is talking

about and when you look at figures

for 2015 there are some interesting

numbers. Bear in mind over 9 million

people worldwide entered the lottery

and every year 50,000 get a green

card from that number. Looking at

the seven countries now on the

banned list, they count for 8658

immigrants who got a green card. If

you put was Pakistan to that you get

just over 13,000 people who came

through the system in 2015. That is

around a quarter coming from

countries that the United States is

concerned about. So maybe he has a

point question mark he has a point,

and this is what I believe, I

believe that anyone coming to this

country, it is not a right to come

here but a privilege for top and it

should not just be a lottery system

based on diversity.

This was a

programme that the president has

criticised, he criticised Mr Schumer

for this. It was designed by the

Senator for Massachusetts Ted

Kennedy when he was in the Senate

and he was seeking to get more

immigrants in from Ireland into the

United States when the programme was

first initiated. So I do believe

that we must have robust immigration

in the United States but I do not

believe in a system where you put

your name on a list, submitted and

do not have any vetting or other

mechanisms to determine whether or

not you're coming here for good put

up those days I believe are over.

America of course is not the only

country to have a lottery system,

several other Western nations also

have them as well.

And for more on the suspect and his

potential ties to Islamic State -

a short while ago we were joined

by the former CIA counterterrorism

analyst, Aki Peritz.

This man was living here legally,

radicalised it would seem while

living in the US. Code intelligence

have done anything to stop the

attack?

We know he had some kind of

run-in with local law enforcement.

But according to what we know so far

he had almost no relationship to

terrorist organisations. He might

have been looking at propaganda

online but that is not illegal. It

is difficult to stop a lone wolf

attack if that is what this is. From

actually happening until it actually

happens. This person was taken alive

and that is quite interesting

because normally Islamic State likes

its killers to be killed in the

attack and we will get a lot of good

intelligence from this individual if

he is willing to talk to federal

authorities.

There's a huge

investigation on this attack but

realistically can we say we can

prevent all future lone attacks like

this?

Unfortunately it is difficult

to stop these high impact low

attacks especially the individual is

willing to die in the process. So

renting a vehicle, smashing into

pedestrians, is something

unfortunately that is easy to

happen. And very difficult to stop.

So unfortunately our Western

societies will have to get used to

set level of terrorist mayhem in

order to be resilient to these

things in the broader scheme of

things.

Many of the attacks in

Europe have been confidently

identified as lone wolf attacks and

then they turn out to be nothing of

the sort. Very often there is

something in the background where

either they are talking to people

who share the same ideology or in

cahoots with the group overseas. It

is likely there will be something in

the background of this man?

The

chances are he had something, some

kind of relationship to some

organisation or individual and this

is what the investigation is going

to try to determine.

One issue is how did one become

radicalised online, everyone is

online, and we've all seen terrible

propaganda.

So how to get this

individual who might have seen this

document first place to get to the

next level to commit an attack is

something the investigators will try

to unravel in the coming days and

weeks. And when Donald Trump talks

about tighter regulations on

immigration, a merit-based system,

do you think it would do anything to

stop people like this?

Remember 100

of the 144 or so individuals who

have some kind of, who have been

charged with something Islamic State

related, overwhelmingly these are US

citizens or permanent residents and

so tightening up the fact that you

might tighten up on the various

countries as he talks about at great

length is not going to stop an

attack by a US citizen or permanent

resident and that is the best

majority of these attacks.

Thank you

very much.

Looking at this from in Europe, the

president has weighed in with policy

in a way that he did not weigh in

after the attack in Las Vegas.

Yes

it has been picked on over here as

well, it is noticeable, people

compared his response and the

response clearly from the White

House after the Las Vegas attack

when people raised the issue of gun

control, the White House firmly

saying that now is not the time to

talk about policy issues like that.

But straightaway within hours of

this attack in New York you had the

president talking about policy

issues, around immigration and the

merit-based lottery system. The

random lottery system. So there is a

disconnect there, it has been

noticed over here and of course it

is political, the president to some

extent is playing to his base. By

talking about immigration and being

tough on immigration, that is what

his base wants to hear right now.

You made an important point, you

must put this into perspective

comparing it to how many attacks we

have had recently in Europe, New

York has come.

Amazing that there

has not been a much bigger one since

September the 11th. It is an

impressive record.

American senators are not

happy with social media.

Facebook, twitter and google got

a round ticking off today

at a Senate hearing for failing

to do enough to stop Russia

from meddling in US elections.

Ahead of these hearings Facebook

revealed that many more

Americans than previously disclosed

had seen Russian ads in the run

up to the 2016 vote.

The social media giants insist

they do take the threat

seriously and will do more

to regulate themselves.

Democratic Senator Diane Feinstein

clearly wasn't buying it.

I must say I do not think you get

it. I think the fact that your

general councils, you defend your

company, that what we're about is a

cataclysmic change, what we're

talking about is the beginning of

cyber warfare.

Joining us now is Laura Rosenberger,

Director of the Alliance

for Securing Democracy.

Thank you for coming in. Do you

think that Facebook, Twitter and

Google could be doing more than they

are doing to protect Americans from

foreign interference in their

elections question were absolutely,

as we here in these hearings, this

is an enormous problem, these

companies are still trying to get

their arms around it.

We are all

still trying to get our arms around.

Russia basically has taken this

technology and exploited it to turn

it against us. And really attack the

core of our democratic institutions.

That is a huge deal, it is a

sophisticated effort, it is

multifaceted and it is going to take

an enormous amount of work to get on

top of and eventually ahead.

Conflict of interest for these

companies, they business models

which depend on things being

distributed by rally which is

exactly what happened with these

Russian ads and the lucrative income

from advertising.

Yes and these

companies I think are wrestling with

where they need to come down at the

end of the day.

Either wrestling or

trying to do as little as possible

to keep lawmakers happy?

It is hard

to give an across-the-board answer.

We have seen different steps by

different companies, I think they're

all are having internal

conversations about the issues. But

the bottom line is the bottom line

and yes there are wrestling with

this question of their business

model. And if that comes into

conflict with the model that is

actually what is going to be

allowing their platforms to do what

they were intended to do which was

to be a democratising force and

provide greater open access to

information and what we're seeing is

that is being turned on its head.

The bottom line is the bottom line,

I love that.

Well what I heard today

from the hearing, with talk about

this sometimes in the past tense but

it is going on today. I know that

your organisation tracks some of

these spurious Twitter accounts for

the tellers about your website, what

is it actually doing?

That is

exactly right, these efforts are

continuing and today they will

continue into the future. They're

happening not just here in the US

but across Europe and elsewhere. It

is an important effort for us to get

on top. Our website Hamilton 68 is a

dashboard that tracks a sampling of

600 Kremlin or enters Twitter

accounts that basically pushing up

the messaging that the Kremlin wants

Americans to be talking about. And

what we largely a thing is that they

want Americans to be talking about

divisive issues, they want us to be

arguing with one another, they want

to be telling us against each other.

And they play to a lot of racial

issues, societal divisions,

religious issues. We also see a lot

of classic deflection tactics

basically trying to make everything

relative as if there is no truth. So

when you have stories in the media

that they do not want people to pay

attention to, they throw up

deflectors and basically attract

people to an alternative story.

Thank you for joining us. One of the

things the social media giants were

asked today by senators was you have

all this data, you can tell who was

paying for these ads in rubles. And

they said even if we clamp down on

that this is a globalised economy

and they could just switch

currencies. It is complicated for

them but there is a clear feeling

among senators that they could be

doing more.

The message from

Facebook had changed as we said

yesterday and the numbers as well,

honey people have access to some of

these tweets. I think a rude

awakening for all three companies in

the past few months. And also

showing when you talk about 126

million people getting access to

some of this stuff, just how

successful this Russian operation

has been. It looks ever more

successful.

This is Beyond 100

Days from the BBC.

Coming up for viewers on the BBC

News Channel and BBC World News -

we've more on the Manhattan attack

suspect - and report from Tampa,

Florida, where he's said to have

lived before heading

to New Jersey and New York.

And we'll be asking if there's

a more regular role for the military

to play in helping to keep our

streets and cities safe?

We'll be getting the thoughts

of the former head

of the British Army -

General Sir Mike Jackson.

That's

still to come.

The first day of November was mild

but over the next few days things

turn cooler. We had rain today in

Scotland and this is all but is left

of it this evening. Just a bit of

rain or drizzle moving south. I

decided that some clearer skies and

turning quite chilly especially in

the countryside. To the south of

that we may get some fog. Some fog

possible through the central Bank of

Scotland. But it should not last for

long. -- bank. Showers retreating

back into the North Sea. This is the

main band of cloud north of London

into south Wales. But south of that

watch out for some fog in the rush

hour for the morning. It could be

quite dense in places. It should

clear away by late morning. The band

of Cloud pretty much stuck in the

same kind of place throughout the

day. I decide we get some sunshine.

Suffer many parts of the UK a lovely

day. Cold across many northern

areas. The cloud is on the week

weather front and that tends to pull

away. Things coming down again

moving into Friday. We're waiting on

this weather front to push into the

North West, a of low pressure that

could come into play by the weekend.

Otherwise a little dry weather, some

sunshine at times but fair amount of

Cloud developing through the day and

some showers breaking out around

some of the Irish Sea coast. Most of

the rainfall in the north-west

north-west of Scotland. But somewhat

whether developing into the evening

and overnight. The weather systems

combining and moving east across

England and Wales. A bit slow to

clear away and then north westerly

winds dragging in some colder air.

We have some rain in the morning

across central and eastern England

which will take some time to clear

away. Otherwise sunshine and some

showers coming down in the brisk

north westerly wind. Probably fewer

showers for the second at the

weekend. Pressure starting to build

a little and many places dry with a

bit more sunshine. Temperatures

eight, 211 Celsius.

This is Beyond 100 Days,

with me Katty Kay in Washington -

Christian Fraser's in London.

Police in New York say the man

who used a truck to kill eight

people had been planning it

for weeks in the name

of so-called Islamic State.

Sayfullo Saipov had been living

in America for seven years

and wasn't known to the authorities.

President Trump calls

immigration controls a joke.

One senior Democrat

gave us his response.

I don't understand

I don't understand the president

picking the statements that he made,

which tends to try to divide people

as opposed to bring us together.

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Breaking news in the last few

minutes, we are being told that the

Defence Secretary has resigned,

following allegations of past

behaviour. You made snow that has

named did appear on the list that

has been circulated, circulated on

Twitter but it became public

knowledge that he was on this list

and of course he has been under

pressure in recent days. We

understand that in the last few

minutes, it has been announced that

Sir Michael Fallon has resigned from

his position. What does speak to

Alex Forsyth, at Westminster.

This is very much breaking news, in

the last few minutes, that the

Defence Secretary, Sir Michael

Fallon has resigned from his

position in the government. We know

it is in regards to allegations of

past behaviour. The allegations in

question, but we know, some 15 years

ago that he repeatedly punched and

journalists need dinner at the

Conservative Party conference. The

journalist in question said she

found the incident amusing, she

didn't take offence by it and that

Sir Michael Fallon had apologised at

the time. Now we have this statement

saying he is leaving his position,

as Defence Secretary, which he has

held since 2014, and we know is that

it is to do with allegations of BV.

Very quickly, Alex, two senior

people close to the Prime Minister,

Sir Michael Fallon and the Damian

Green, both in the headlines today.

Do we know anything about him? He is

the de facto Prime Minister in the

UK, a close ally to Theresa May. He

has been referred for an

investigation, again allegations

that he fully truly touched

someone's knee and said a text

message asking somebody out for a

drink. He said that any allegations

that amounted to misconduct of any

sexual nature false and an true but

nonetheless he was referred for an

investigation over that. We have had

these allegations swirling around

Westminster in recent days and some

were wondering what the consequences

would be. At the moment, as far as

far as we are aware, Damian Green

has been referred for investigation

and Sir Michael Fallon has chosen to

resign his position in the

government.

Here's what we know

so far about the suspect

in the New York attacks.

He moved to the US in 2010

from his native Uzbekistan.

He's married with three children.

He worked as an Uber driver

and passed the company's

background checks.

He has a string of traffic offences

but nothing more than that.

Since being in the US he's

lived in New Jersey,

Ohio and in Tampa, Florida.

It's from Tampa that

Rajini Vaidyanathan has this report

on his time in America.

A man said to have noticed --

remorse. Police said he became

radicalised in America. He arrived

here from Uzbekistan on a green card

or today in 2010. He settled in all

Heil, where she got married. One

mind the new Deer said he was

exposed to extremist ideology

online.

He always looked as a liberal

Muslim, something

like that, you know.

He always like, saying, you know,

you're doing not right this one,

doing this one like Islam does.

That was very minor

signs of radicalising.

From Ohio, he moved

to Florida, living at this

apartment complex in Tampa.

Neighbours say they remember

seeing him by the pool

with his wife and children,

but that he wasn't

particularly friendly.

Although he was a practising Muslim,

Sayfullo Saipov wasn't seen

at mosques in the area.

This lawyer who speaks

for the Islamic community in Tampa

says there may be a reason why.

We've worked with the FBI

on a number of cases of trying

to protect youth from being targeted

by groups like IS, and the first

tactic IS does is try to get them

away from the mosques,

because they know the messaging

of the mosques undermine the deviant

extremist heretical message

of groups like Isis.

One resident says Sayfullo Saipov

and his family packed up

from here earlier this year,

and that before he left, he gave

her his computer and printer,

which she donated to charity.

She also said he told her

he was moving to New Jersey.

And it was in Paterson, a city

with a large Muslim community,

that he worked as an Uber driver.

Close to here he rented the truck

he used in the attack.

Sayfullo Saipov

is still in hospital.

The focus for authorities is how did

an immigrant who wasn't

on their radar commit a deadly

terror attack in the country

he made his home?

Our correspondent, Michelle Fleury,

is outside the house

in which the suspect was reportedly

staying at recently,

in Paterson, New Jersey.

What are his neighbours they are

saying?

This small residential streets

suddenly got some unwelcome

attention yesterday evening when the

FBI and police descended on this

small street and the set offences

because we understand that number

nine, P Hain to me, is where the

suspect lived with his wife and

children. Apparently, it is hard to

piece the exact time when together,

but we think he might have come here

in March, with his wife, and police

cornered at -- cordoned off this

area, went for the house, trying to

find clues as to what might have

motivated him, what alliances he may

have, who, if any, might have been

his influences, but for the

community, it is a largely Muslim

one and there will be concerns about

the knock-on effect. People have

already started asking if he

attended the local mosque and locals

here say that they have not seen

them there. One local who spoke to

the BBC expressed shock seeing that

he would never have expected of him

and that he had known him for a

while.

To Rajini who as we saw is in Tampa,

Florida where he was living.

What is interesting, as I said in my

report, the FBI did not have him

directly on the radar and spending

some time here, you do get the

impression that it was not someone

who truly interacted at all with the

community around him. We spent some

time at the apartment complex where

he spent some time living with his

family and most people say that they

saw her murder and the swimming

pool, as I mentioned, but they do

not have stories about him. Some

said he wasn't particularly

friendly. He did not interact with

those around him. When I went to

meet the head of the local Islamic

centre here, he said that he had

never seen or heard from him until

he was in the news. Even though he

was a devout Moslem, he did not

attend mosques in the idiot, at

least to a level that people would

remember him. What we had from Ohio

was that's the belief he was

radicalised online. That may be why

it is so difficult to paint a clear

picture of his actions before the

attack.

Thank you for that.

Let's get more on this.

John Thomas Tomarchio is a former

deputy assistant secretary

with Homeland Security.

What are you looking at, what do you

know so far, that might have raised

a red flag in his background?

We

look at what indicia of terrorism or

terrorist intent that this

individual might portray? He was

involved in the Muslim air are good

-- community in Tampa, Florida. He

was unemployed, a sporty work

record. He moved to all Heil, again,

not really radicalised but seem to

be some individuals that met with

him, describing him as an angry

individual. They often expressed

displeasure with US foreign policy,

or US foreign policy to the Muslim

world, maybe not uncommon among some

people, but no indication that he

would do anything violent.

That is

always the thing, when the call from

an angry guy with the grape to doing

something that this guy dead in a

New York. It seems that you can only

wear an unlimited amount from the

people attended these suspects. Most

of them said he was a friendly guy.

Does that mean you have to look

online, is that where the clues will

increasingly be found?

That is where

investigators are looking at. What

was his online persona? Where was he

going, who was he talking to? What

site was the visiting? Was he self

radicalised? How did he go from

being a person with anger or a

person with aspirations of the jihad

or violence, to a person that became

operational? You make that nexus

from aspiration to operational? Did

he have help? Did he have an

individual who was teaching or

mentoring him or it is something

they did on his own? Those are the

things I want to know about right

now.

As you say, terrorism is not

something you do by yourself. It is

highly social. It has been a lot of

work done here in Europe on who

these people are talking to online.

They thing that has been enough work

done in Congress here in the United

States?

I think it is an ongoing

process. We are always interested in

motivations. We are always

interested in support groups. We are

always interested in financing.

Looking at an individual online is

very important. This particular

person, he was below the radar

screen, if he didn't have an online

persona and he was just cruising but

did not leave any markers behind,

did not leave any online pranks or

tired legs or did not go to places

that would raise red flags, these

people are very, very hard to find

and the predicted that they are

going to do something. That is the

real challenge.

Because the

president has raised the issue of

immigration today and that the

lottery system, I want

to ask if you think clamping down on

the lottery system, doing away with

that would help from a homeland

security point of view?

I would not

say that we have to do away with

that, I think with any system, there

should be visited, seven with like

to what has happened in the New York

City, whether we have two making the

changes, that is to be determined.

As a prudent measure, we should look

at how many people are coming in,

when they are coming in and what the

buttons are, but there is a lot to

see what comes out in the wash.

Thank you for joining us.

Breaking news in the last few

minutes, the Defence Secretary has

resigned from his position. He has

given a brief statement to the BBC.

He says that he thinks it the right

thing to do to resign. He says his

behaviour in the past has fallen

short of the standards expected by

the military. The BBC understands

his resignation is not in response

to any new or specific allegations.

He went on to say that the Prime

Minister and parliament are taking

this issue seriously and that is the

right thing to do. So Michael Fallon

holding himself to the same

standards as the military and taking

the decision that it is better if

you are a science.

He was the last Tsar of Russia -

tortured and murdered,

along with his family,

by the Bolsheviks during

the revolution a hundred years ago.

A defining period for Russia,

and the rest of the world,

as beginnings of what would be

the Soviet Union came to be.

And to help us understand

what happened during this tumultuous

time, our correspondent

Steve Rosenberg is travelling

through Russia, bringing to life

events which took place

a century ago.

Steve's been in St Petersberg

and Moscow already, and today

he reports from Yekaterinburg,

and the Russian Orthodox

Church-on-the-Blood,

where the Romanov dynasty

was brought to a brutal end.

If there is one place where heaven

meets hell, it's here.

This is known as the

Church on the Blood.

Murder was committed here,

the victims now elevated to saints.

Tsar Nicholas II and his family.

This church marks the spot

where they and their servants

were executed by the Bolsheviks.

They were shot and bayoneted.

A bloody and brutal end

to Russia's last tsar.

Having murdered the tsar,

the Bolsheviks tried to bury

all memory of the monarchy.

They failed.

It took 60 years, but eventually

a discovery was made

here near Ekaterinburg.

The remains of Nicholas

II and his family.

In 1988, the Russian government

confirmed their authenticity.

Nicholas II, his wife Alexandra,

and their three daughters

were laid to rest.

Later, more bones were found

in the same forest, believed to be

the tsar's two missing children.

The church has not recognised

the remains, but that may change.

There are new investigations,

using more advanced methods.

The church participates

in these investigations.

There is a strong chance

that the church will recognise

the remains as the bones

of the royal family.

Nicholas II was a flawed leader -

an inflexible autocrat

with poor judgment.

Communists painted him

as a bloody tyrant.

Today's Russia strikes

a different note.

Back at the church they have

a rose-tinted view of Saint

Nicholas.

I always compare him with captain

of a big ship called Russia,

and he was on this ship to the end.

And it is from tsarist Russia

that this Ekaterinburg school

draws its inspiration.

But would they like a tsar

running Russia today?

Times change.

We can't speak about the monarchy

as it was earlier, but I suppose

that our president is a kind of man

who governs the way the tsar tried

to govern, in a way.

He is a real ruler, a real patriot.

Russia is trying to remember

its past, not recreate it.

Part of the battle is snapping at

the ideology and getting rid of an

Islamic state in Syria and Iraq is

fundamental.

But what more do we need to do?

General Sir Mike Jackson

is the former head

of the British Army -

a man with huge experience tackling

and 80s.

-- terror threat on the streets

of Northern Ireland in the 70s

and 80s.

he led the UK Army during

the Iraq Invasion of 2003.

And he joins me now.

I must ask you first of Sir Michael

Fallon.

I think the Armed Forces will be sad

to see him go. It is clearly a

personal decision he has come to and

so be it.

Let's talk about the

terror issue. I mentioned in the

outset the fear that you have this

huge experience of dealing, blue

with the macro level, tackling

Islamic State in the track and

wherever they are around the world

but also in the micro level were you

dealt with the IRA in Northern

Ireland. There's something in your

experience in the 70s and 80s that

could apply to the thread we now

face in our cities?

I think my first

point of analysis and we can't put

up too many parallels comedy IRA

were very careful not to be killed

in the operations. Islamic State, we

know they are very different. The

problem, which led to the troubles

in Northern Ireland was political.

At its base rate, political. What

security forces were able to do was

keep space open for a political

state -- settlement to emerge, the

Good Friday Agreement. I have to say

that that panel builders work,

largely when it comes to Islamic

State. At a political movement and

the answer at the end of the day has

to be political.

Do you think the

war on terror has made it worse?

The

so-called war on terror, I don't

know. It would take, I think, a

historian in due course to come to

whatever conclusion. I don't think

nothing could have been done. Don't

think doing nothing was an option.

That is the argument that by

putting, even Alan Hardy, the stick

into the ants nest of the Middle

East, it brought domestic terrorism

as we have seen that, so tragically,

even in the very recent past, I'm

not sure about that. There is an

ideology shear which basically

doesn't like people who are not like

them and is prepared to kill them.

What do you make of the fact that

the suspect came from Uzbekistan,

not a country where Western nations

are involved militarily, C wouldn't

think that the -- there would be an

obvious grape that is Becks would

have on that front.

You're saying we

are involved in Uzbekistan. I beg

your pardon. Now, I am not. Indeed,

we have seen Islamic State attacks

in countries that have not been

directly, some not at all, in

operations in the Middle East. The

two do not necessarily go

hand-in-hand.

Let me change

directions. I will ask you about

Russia, something that has been

commented on today by the US

commanding general in Europe, who

has been speaking to our defence

correspondent. I will play your cup

of what he had to say.

We have been

focused on so long -- on the Middle

East for so long, in the meanwhile,

Russia have continued to develop

capabilities and the remainders of

who they always have been. About

three years ago, the last American

tank went back to the States. Rush

was posted be our partners to weave

a shrug that is what we hoped for

and now it is coming back. For

centuries of history and the Russian

tendency, we ignored that. But we're

recovering quickly and the Alliance

is adapting, certainly my country

has invested, bringing the ability

back over here to Europe.

Sir

Michael, do you agree that in

focusing on the Middle East and the

threat of terrorism, whether it's to

do with defence spending budgets,

Nato 's defence budget, there has

bid and neglect of the Russia

threat, from European and counties

in the West and America?

I very much

agree with what we just heard from

General Hodges, we did not handle

Russia very well, as it came out of

the cold war but now is not the

moment perhaps to see where it went

wrong. We are now facing a resurgent

and adventurous, risk-taking Russia.

The only proper deterrent to that is

the military alliance that we know

as Nato, which it has been doing

since 1947 or 1948. That is key to

show that adventurism, coming back

towards the West, is not on offer.

I

wish we had more time to talk but we

are out of time. It was good to have

you in the studio. Thank you for

your reaction to the Sir Michael

Fallon study as well.

I am going to give you three

words and I want you to

guess what they mean.

Hygge?

Dude food, sharenting.

This is like one of those radio

Colin quizzes. -- radio call an

quizzes.

They were all words that

found their way last year

into the new Collins' Dictionary.

But can you guess what was top

of the list last year?

It was Brexit. There is a clue to

what is the most popular word this

year.

I will give you a clue it is

tremendous, really really great.

It has never happened before.

And it's a term that

describes us perfectly.

It must be real news,

if it describes us.

It is fake news. I'm looking forward

to see how they define it. Clearly,

we have spent a lot of time on this

programme talking about the threat

from Russia, we had a congenital

Fallon there and we had from Rosa

Luxemburg earlier in this programme.

Really, it is the dissemination of

fake news. It is not what the

president calls fake news, which is

CNN and they would probably throw in

the BBC, and all cable television

outlets and the dues television

outlets and print outlets that are

not Fox News in the US, but is --

but that's not what the users. The

news is a real problem. It's the

problem that comes from people

disseminating misinformation and

trying to influence elections

because of bad or political

processes because of that, and I

don't now how we will carry on

conducting elections in democratic

societies are people get their news

from the new site and think that it

is real. Soon you will be able to

make people say what everyone spent

to say because of artificial

intelligence. That would really be

fake news and it will change the

political game.

You know that when you walk up fake

news in the dictionary you only get

two lanes? Go on. Not as long as you

have just defended. That's an whole

encyclopaedia entry. Before we go,

the breaking news and the last

half-hour. Sir Michael Fallon has

resigned. He said in recent days

allegations have been made about MPs

conduct including my own and many of

these have been false. In the past,

I have the high standards we require

of the Armed Forces which I had the

privilege to represent. I have

therefore reflected on the position

in government and Amber Saint --

resigning as Defence Secretary.

That statement reads a lot of

questions and that hopefully will

get