Richard Burgon Sunday Politics

The election campaign was put on hold following the terrorist attack

in Manchester on Monday, but now campaigning has resumed, it is

hardly surprisingly security is now a primary concern. The Labour Party

has said it would recruit more intelligence officers and thousands

more pulleys. Jeremy Corbyn speaking on ITV News said previous cuts have

undermined security. It seems that the courts in police numbers have

led to some very dangerous situations emerging. It is also a

question of a community response as well. So that where an imam for

example alerts the police that he is concerned about somebody, I would

hope they would act. And I hope they would have the resources to act as

well. Joining me from Leeds is the Shadow Justice Secretary. Welcome.

How are you? Very well. You have announced more security and

intelligence agency staff. That is in line with what the Government has

already announced, and the Shadow Home Secretary has said he will not

spend more money. It does not amount to much, does it? That is just one

of the parts of our pledge card on the safer communities. Also, there

are 10,000 extra police because the Conservative torment has quit the

police by 20,000, and 10,000 extra police would mean extra policemen in

each neighbourhood. Also 3000 extra police and officers because the

prison staff have been cut by 6000. That is the third since 2010, was by

the Government, not helping the community stay safe. We're pledging

more firefighters. Also 1000 extra security staff, but also 500 extra

border guards as well because there have been 13 instances, 13 areas

identified a... And that is the list of numbers you have given, but if we

concentrate on security, because Jeremy Corbyn said there would be

more police on the street under a Labour Government, and if they need

more resources to keep track of those that murder and maim, they

should get them. So why are giving them that? We are committing to

extra... If you were going to do something over and above that, you

are not doing so. The Government has not yet delivered on that promise.

We will deliver on that promise. But with no more money? What Jeremy has

said is you cannot do security on the cheap. Austerity has to stop at

the police station door, it has to stop at the hospital door as well.

But we will be giving resources required to keep communities safe.

And more powers? The police need to be empowered, but when you talk to

what the Police Federation are saying, they have spoke a long time

about the danger caused by police courts. I'm talking not only about

terrorism, not about acts of extreme violence, but also anything from

anti-social behaviour to burglary to violent crime. You said more powers.

What sort of powers are you thinking of giving the security services? We

need to listen to the security services to intelligence community,

and to the Armed Forces and the Police Federation and to the police

about how they think our communities can be made safer. One thing is

clear. Cutting the number of police by 20,000 makes communities less

safe, not more safe. You said you are going to listen to the security

services. Can they be reassured and guaranteed that Jeremy Corbyn will

listen to the security services and the police in terms of more powers,

if that is what they want. Because Jeremy Corbyn has voted against

measures to tackle home-grown and international terrorism. Jeremy

Corbyn's speech on safer communities earlier this week made clear he is

listening to the security services. So he would grant those new powers?

, the terrorism act in 2006, and in 2014, the data retention and

investigatory Powers act. So what new powers will be be happy to

enact? Jammy cabin, -- Jeremy Corbyn and many other MPs voted against

legislation, they thought it would be ill-advised or

counter-productive. It is a complex situation. What we do not want to do

is introduce hastily prepared laws with one eye to the newspaper

headline which could act as recruiting sergeants for terrorism.

What Jeremy Corbyn has said is either listening to the security

area, this has also been said by the ex-head of the MI5 and her

predecessor as well as President Obama. Can we look at the powers you

might want to introduce? You say you will give the police and security

sorrows the powers they need. If we look at some of the legislation that

Jeremy Corbyn and others voted against in 2000, for example, you

gave the Secretary of State to prescribe terrorist organisations

and illegal to finance terrorist organisations. Disease still think

that would be a bad idea, you would not vote in favour of those sorts of

measures? Jeremy Corbyn along with Theresa a... I'm interested in what

Jeremy Corbyn is going to do when he says going to be smarter about

fighting terrorism. If he's not prepared to vote in favour of those

sorts of measures all others are trying to impose restrictions on

suspects, people want to know, what is the going to do? It is complex.

With this legislation, the devil is often in the detail. If it was

simple in that you could stop terrorism through voting, then

terrorism would have been stopped a long time ago. Sadly there are no

easy answers, and that is not as recognised by Jeremy Corbyn, it is

recognised by Barack Obama, Stella Remington, head of the MFI. Other

Conservative MPs. What was made clear in Jeremy Corbyn's speech is

that we have got to be tough on terrorism, tough on the unforgivable

acts of murder, but also on the causes. But the sad truth is there

are no easy answers. If there were, the problem would have been solved a

long time ago. I think voters might want to ask the question that if you

want to employ more security and intelligence, that their leader is

still in comfortable with giving them the powers they need to do,

because it is complicated legislation, they want to know how

you will do it. I will give you an example. At another stop the war

rally in 2014, Jeremy Corbyn said that the murder by ices of a

correspondence that it was the price of jingoism, so according to Jeremy

Copping, the beheading of a charity worker is an British legislation.

What Jeremy Corbyn also made clear is that the responsibility for acts

of terrorism and murder lies with the murderer, and something that is

really disappointing is the Prime Minister at an international

conference the other day said that in Jeremy Corbyn's speech on this

issue that he was to blame for the heinous, unforgivable murder. She

knows she did not say that. She knows the's whether she believes him

are not, she knows he did not say that, which was widely accepted by

his opponents. She sat down with her opponents early in idea, but I know

she did not say that, but if we say she did, hey, we might win symbols.

I think that is shameful. I think that shows the PM cannot be trusted.

They should transcend party politics. We need to pull together

on these issues. The past of Westminster, with its

many stone figures, is the ultimate Gothic revival building. It was

August it Puget, a genius in Gothic design, who signed this feast of

stonework paraphernalia we see today. There are gargoyles, Angels,

and Lions in all sorts of hideous creature is watching you from every

corner. Lions appear frequently throughout the palace, a symbol of

pride with links to royalty and honour. Dogs convey a symbol of

faithfulness and intelligence, and the eagle is