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It is 11.30am on Wednesday, 21st March. It is Budget Day. This is | :00:12. | :00:14. | |
the scene above Downing Street. We have live coverage as the | :00:14. | :00:18. | |
Chancellor prepares to open the red box. Stand by for some bold moves, | :00:18. | :00:22. | |
we're told on taxation and plenty of debate on how to revive the | :00:22. | :00:32. | |
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British economy. I suppose there is probably one | :00:51. | :00:54. | |
dominant question today beyond the detail on tax and spending and | :00:54. | :01:00. | |
borrowing, how will this Budget get the economy growing more strongly? | :01:00. | :01:03. | |
That's the question. George Osborne will unveil his measure in about an | :01:03. | :01:08. | |
hour's time. Lots them, it has to be said, have been widely trailed | :01:08. | :01:13. | |
and he said that he wants to target help at those people on low and | :01:13. | :01:16. | |
middle incomes. Let's look in Downing Street because we are | :01:16. | :01:20. | |
expecting the Chancellor to appear on the steps of Number Eleven in | :01:20. | :01:23. | |
the traditional pre-Budget scene any moment really. So we will be | :01:23. | :01:27. | |
there for when that happens and he will be flanked, of course, by | :01:27. | :01:30. | |
Danny Alexander and the other key treasury ministers as they make | :01:30. | :01:34. | |
their way to the Palace of Westminster on this Budget Day. So | :01:34. | :01:37. | |
back in Downing Street in just a few seconds time. Of course, we | :01:37. | :01:41. | |
will have live live coverage of the speech and of Labour's response. | :01:41. | :01:45. | |
Before that at noon, it is Wednesday, we will have Prime | :01:45. | :01:49. | |
Minister's Questions and to guide us throughout we will have our own | :01:49. | :01:52. | |
experts with me in the studio and more besides. | :01:52. | :01:57. | |
I am outside Parliament talking to politicians of all stripes. Getting | :01:57. | :02:01. | |
their assessment of the big Budget announcements and how the | :02:01. | :02:07. | |
Chancellor's statement will affect the political landscape. | :02:07. | :02:11. | |
I'm I'm on the factory floor at Pashley Cycles in Stratford-Upon- | :02:11. | :02:15. | |
Avon and I will be finding out what local businesses want to hear in | :02:15. | :02:19. | |
today's Budget. On on a trading floor in the City, | :02:19. | :02:24. | |
gauging the reaction from the stock, the bon and currency -- bond and | :02:24. | :02:33. | |
Here is a pledge, we will have coverage and we will have the best | :02:33. | :02:38. | |
analysis. With me is the BBC's political editor, Nick Robinson. | :02:38. | :02:41. | |
Our economics editor, Stephanie Flanders and our business editor, | :02:41. | :02:46. | |
Robert Peston. More from you in a few minutes. Earlier this morning, | :02:46. | :02:51. | |
the Business Secretary, Vince Cable, was at a -- who has had a lot to | :02:51. | :02:54. | |
stay about the Budget and what he would like to see, he was telling | :02:54. | :02:58. | |
us on his way to Parliament, his party's priority was to help those | :02:58. | :03:02. | |
on on lower incomes. The Liberal Democrats have pushed | :03:02. | :03:06. | |
very hard to lift low earners out of tax and help hard-pressed middle | :03:06. | :03:10. | |
income families. That's our priority. The Budget has to be | :03:10. | :03:15. | |
judged against the extent to which it contributes to Britain's | :03:15. | :03:18. | |
recovery from this dreadful economic crisis. | :03:18. | :03:22. | |
It will be interested to judge the Budget by what some of Mr Cable's | :03:22. | :03:27. | |
apparent demands were in the last few weeks. Ed Miliband the Labour | :03:27. | :03:32. | |
leader on his way to Parliament telling us for him it was about | :03:32. | :03:35. | |
jobs and growth. The Government's economic plan is | :03:35. | :03:38. | |
failing. What we need today is action to get jobs and growth | :03:38. | :03:42. | |
moving in this country and what the Chancellor must do is ensure that | :03:42. | :03:46. | |
any money he can raise from those at the top is spend on helping | :03:46. | :03:50. | |
millions of ordinary families who are struggling to get by. It would | :03:50. | :03:56. | |
be the wrong priority to cut taxes for the richest people in Britain | :03:56. | :04:01. | |
earning over �150,000 a year in a top rate of tax, income tax cut. | :04:01. | :04:11. | |
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Ed Miliband with thoughts before he Nick Robinson is with me. Nick, I | :04:14. | :04:17. | |
ask you about the main thrust of the Budget and what we are | :04:17. | :04:21. | |
expecting, maybe we can keep an eye on Number Eleven Downing Street to | :04:21. | :04:26. | |
see what is going on there because the door will open in a minute or | :04:26. | :04:31. | |
so. We will keep an eye on that, Nick. What will be the big theme? | :04:31. | :04:35. | |
Well, it would be tempting for the Chancellor to stand up and I say, | :04:35. | :04:38. | |
"I refer members to the announcements made in the media | :04:38. | :04:45. | |
some hours ago." The Prime Minister uses that formula when he is asked | :04:45. | :04:49. | |
the same question. There is a lot of detail about how he pays for the | :04:49. | :04:54. | |
tax cuts that we have heard of, personal tax allowance, top rate of | :04:54. | :04:58. | |
tax tax, where he gets the money from in order to be able to do that. | :04:58. | :05:03. | |
He will want to present it as a series of tax cuts who help people | :05:03. | :05:08. | |
who work hard and earn, but he will say that more money is being spent | :05:08. | :05:12. | |
on people in the mid-ling and people -- middle and people in the | :05:12. | :05:17. | |
top. Labour will say every pound is a pound you could have spent on | :05:17. | :05:22. | |
someone else even if you managed to get the money to pay from other | :05:22. | :05:29. | |
rich battle. How much of a battle has it been? On a lot of the stuff | :05:29. | :05:33. | |
they agree. On the personal tax allowance which gives you more | :05:33. | :05:37. | |
money before you pay income tax, the Tories and the Lib Dems have | :05:37. | :05:41. | |
different ways, but they agree that is a good route. On the top rate of | :05:41. | :05:44. | |
tax, George Osborne wanted to do it because he promised the Lib Dems | :05:44. | :05:51. | |
are not keen, but they never stuck their heels in. What they were | :05:51. | :05:58. | |
fighting about what is what what they got back in return. How if you | :05:58. | :06:03. | |
are the the Tories do we patch it up in a way that looks like it will | :06:03. | :06:06. | |
help growth. It has been more about that than a row about you can't do | :06:06. | :06:12. | |
this and you mustn't do that. We will join Stephanie soon to talk | :06:12. | :06:18. | |
about growth. When he steps out and knows that he | :06:18. | :06:21. | |
is going to have to sell this to lots of people who will be | :06:21. | :06:25. | |
sceptical about the content and the political motivation behind it, | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
what is the narrative going to be for the Chancellor? Reform. What he | :06:28. | :06:33. | |
wants to do is do what negligentle Lawson did when he was Margaret | :06:33. | :06:37. | |
Thatcher's chancellor. He wants to say in that red box outside is the | :06:37. | :06:44. | |
Budget is the secret to making the tax system, simpler and fairer. | :06:45. | :06:49. | |
The Chancellor proudly brandishing the red box. Danny Alexander | :06:49. | :06:52. | |
someone of the so-called quad of ministers who has been in charge of | :06:52. | :06:57. | |
directing the negotiations a very, very important task they have had. | :06:57. | :07:03. | |
As everyone agrees, even owe pone poneants this -- opponents this | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
Budget will have a big impact on the health of the British economy | :07:07. | :07:10. | |
going forward next year. When you look at the growth figures which | :07:10. | :07:14. | |
have been feeble for lots of the quarters involved, it is really a | :07:14. | :07:17. | |
big question about whether this package of measures, not just the | :07:17. | :07:21. | |
taxing, but what he is doing on spending and the levels of | :07:21. | :07:25. | |
borrowing, whether that package will lead to healthier growth and | :07:25. | :07:28. | |
more jobs for people. As the Chancellor makes his way to | :07:28. | :07:31. | |
the House of Commons, I will bring Stephanie Flanders in. Whatever | :07:31. | :07:35. | |
individual measures the Chancellor announces in the the Budget, | :07:35. | :07:39. | |
everything being driven by the need to reduce Government borrowing | :07:39. | :07:45. | |
because that's been such a huge concern. Stephanie, tell us where | :07:45. | :07:50. | |
we stand on that? What does that look like? We are not far along in | :07:50. | :07:53. | |
filling that big hole in the public finances as the the Chancellor | :07:53. | :07:58. | |
hoped he would be when he had his first Budget in June 2010. We are | :07:58. | :08:01. | |
not as far along as many would think, at least when it comes to | :08:01. | :08:06. | |
spending cuts. If you look at the first two years of George Osborne's | :08:06. | :08:16. | |
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If you go to the full seven years of austerity that we are looking at | :08:26. | :08:30. | |
and remember it was five years, it was at the Pre-Budget Report in | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
November that we ended up with an extra couple of years, all the | :08:33. | :08:38. | |
spending cuts still to come. Overall, we are looking at 80% of | :08:38. | :08:42. | |
the austerity if you like is coming from spending cuts. Only 20% from | :08:42. | :08:46. | |
tax rises most of which we have had. We have only had 12% of the | :08:46. | :08:50. | |
spending cuts we're going to have. We have had the reversal of the | :08:50. | :08:54. | |
stimulus spending, but in terms of long-term spending cuts, only 12%. | :08:54. | :08:57. | |
A lot more to go. This is the toughest period for public spending | :08:57. | :09:01. | |
since the war. We We should remember the Gordon Brown era after | :09:01. | :09:11. | |
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2004 was the period of fastest growth since the war. | :09:19. | :09:24. | |
Back back to June 2010, duren George Osborne thought he would | :09:24. | :09:28. | |
have rapid reduction in Government borrowing and he could count on the | :09:28. | :09:33. | |
private sector, on the rest of the world to fill the gap. Go back to | :09:33. | :09:37. | |
ancient history, it feels like a boom now, 2007, growth was looking | :09:37. | :09:41. | |
strong. It was the strongest in four years, but then we had the | :09:41. | :09:46. | |
banking crisis. We had the deepest recession in 2008 that we have had | :09:46. | :09:53. | |
since the 1920s and right into 2009, we were only starting to recover in | :09:53. | :09:58. | |
2009, 2010 when George Osborne came in, we were looking at what we | :09:58. | :10:05. | |
thought was a mediocre recovery until that last quarter of 2010 | :10:05. | :10:10. | |
when we had the fall in national output which turned out out to be | :10:10. | :10:14. | |
not necessarily a blip. 2011, a feeble year. Disappointing compared | :10:14. | :10:18. | |
to what we were expecting. We knew it wasn't going to be a normal | :10:18. | :10:28. | |
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The gap at the end there. 2012 - what was that look like? It may go | :10:30. | :10:37. | |
up a little bit. 0.7% is what they said in November. We may see it go | :10:37. | :10:44. | |
up to 0.8%. A year ago, they were expecting 2.5%. This is a much | :10:44. | :10:47. | |
weaker picture and that limits George Osborne's room for manoeuvre. | :10:47. | :10:51. | |
With all of that in mind, Robert, how do you see it? What do you | :10:51. | :10:55. | |
expect today which will change this picture, if anything? Plainly I | :10:55. | :11:00. | |
will look at how this affects the confidence of businesses. They will | :11:00. | :11:04. | |
be very interested on what happens on corporation tax. We have seen | :11:04. | :11:08. | |
some plans from the Chancellor for some pretty sustained cuts in the | :11:08. | :11:11. | |
rates of corporation tax. There has been speculation he might do more. | :11:11. | :11:17. | |
That will be interesting to see if he does do more on that. | :11:17. | :11:24. | |
Many of those who run companies will be cheered by this cut in the | :11:24. | :11:30. | |
top rate of income tax. It will not go down well with everybody. For me | :11:30. | :11:37. | |
personally, I am fascinated to see what the Office for Budget | :11:37. | :11:41. | |
Responsibility says that will cost. Obviously, at a time when resources | :11:41. | :11:46. | |
are very scarce, if it turns out to be a lot of money, that will | :11:46. | :11:50. | |
massively fuel the political battle. If it turns out to be a tiny amount | :11:50. | :11:53. | |
of money, in their view, it will be interesting to see how Labour | :11:53. | :11:58. | |
responds. So, a huge amount, really, to get one's teeth into. The other | :11:58. | :12:03. | |
side of it, which I know only affects a few thousand people, | :12:03. | :12:10. | |
particularly in London and the southeast, but these are famous | :12:10. | :12:13. | |
footballing superstars, hedge fund managers and the rest - I am | :12:13. | :12:20. | |
fascinated to see, not so much the rise in stamp duty. We know from | :12:20. | :12:26. | |
the leaks that it is going up to 7% on houses worth more than two | :12:26. | :12:36. | |
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Thank you. Throughout the programme we will be | :12:37. | :12:40. | |
getting reaction, of course, from people Robert is talking about, | :12:40. | :12:43. | |
business people and others and today we are in Stratford-Upon-Avon | :12:43. | :12:48. | |
to talk to people there about their hopes and then their response and | :12:48. | :12:51. | |
my colleague, Jo Coburn is there for us. | :12:51. | :12:55. | |
Thank you very much, Huw. I am here on the factory floor. Everybody | :12:55. | :12:59. | |
working around me. This company is based in Stratford-Upon-Avon in the | :12:59. | :13:03. | |
heart of the Midlands. They have been making bikes since 1926. The | :13:03. | :13:08. | |
company prides itself on assembling bikes from start to finish, | :13:08. | :13:11. | |
sourcing most of the components locally. This saddle came from | :13:11. | :13:15. | |
Birmingham and the wheel manufactured in West Bromwich. To | :13:15. | :13:21. | |
talk about that is the managing director, Adrian Williams and with | :13:21. | :13:29. | |
him is Annabel Mc Mahon. Welcome. We have talked before and | :13:29. | :13:31. | |
you have said that manufacturing is doing all right, but there is a | :13:31. | :13:41. | |
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problem with confidence in the And that's stopping people spending | :13:59. | :14:02. | |
a fair bit of money on a bike? There has been too much negativity | :14:02. | :14:05. | |
and we need to go back to positivity and they will start | :14:05. | :14:10. | |
buying bikes again. Now one of your concerns Annabel, | :14:10. | :14:14. | |
you employ two people, both of of whom were on benefits and you said | :14:14. | :14:18. | |
the process was a nightmare, why? It just seemed to me that the | :14:18. | :14:22. | |
process is working against them rather than for them. They They to | :14:22. | :14:26. | |
ring up and go through hoops and both said it would be easier to | :14:26. | :14:30. | |
stay at home and carry on taking the benefits, but they are good | :14:30. | :14:33. | |
employees and they wanted to get into the workplace. We are a | :14:33. | :14:37. | |
growing business and we needed them and we have worked it out, but I | :14:37. | :14:40. | |
was horrified at how difficult it was. | :14:41. | :14:45. | |
Is work paying for them or are they not earning anymore than they were | :14:45. | :14:51. | |
on benefits? They are earning about the same. It is not incentivising | :14:51. | :14:54. | |
them to get into the workplace and we really need them. It is so wrong | :14:54. | :14:57. | |
that the system is geared up towards everybody staying at home | :14:57. | :14:59. | |
when people want to get back into the workplace. | :15:00. | :15:03. | |
Is that one of the reasons that actually growth is very difficult, | :15:03. | :15:09. | |
taking on new staff, Steve? It is. In my case, it is probably | :15:09. | :15:14. | |
the technical skills that aren't available. The skills are something | :15:14. | :15:19. | |
that's been an issue for sometime now. We need apprentices, we have | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
got them, but it is complex and I find if you look at a company's | :15:23. | :15:28. | |
size, be it a PLC or a microbusiness, the situation is | :15:28. | :15:31. | |
very different with each company. The help they need. The finance | :15:31. | :15:36. | |
they need. Cutting through the regulation necessary to get the | :15:36. | :15:39. | |
apprentices, those are the issues we have. | :15:39. | :15:44. | |
What What about on the financial side? Are you getting credit? Are | :15:44. | :15:48. | |
banks lending to you? The access to finance is a difficult thing. They | :15:48. | :15:51. | |
say they are, there are new initiatives, but the complexity of | :15:51. | :15:54. | |
them and whether they are targeted to the home market, I can get some | :15:54. | :16:01. | |
help now on my overseas export, on the export market. There are some | :16:01. | :16:05. | |
credit guarantee schemes that would help you get the finance, but | :16:05. | :16:10. | |
access to finance for your working capital has stopped us growing and | :16:10. | :16:20. | |
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The previous experience we had was when they brought the last scheme | :16:22. | :16:29. | |
in, we went to our bank and said "What about the Government- | :16:29. | :16:35. | |
supported scheme?" they said, "We don't do that." Thank you. Let's | :16:35. | :16:39. | |
speak to our expert. Thank you for coming to the programme. You are | :16:39. | :16:44. | |
the presenter of Money Box on Radio 4. We heard there particular | :16:44. | :16:48. | |
difficulties of getting access to finance. What are the options? | :16:48. | :16:52. | |
think he'll do something. He wants an enterprise Budget. None of the | :16:52. | :16:57. | |
briefs have been about that. I think he'll surprise us. One option | :16:57. | :17:04. | |
would be if wealth I -- welty people wanted to help, they could | :17:04. | :17:07. | |
get interest on that loan. That would be different from the scheme | :17:08. | :17:12. | |
we have at the moment. That interface, that was being spoken | :17:13. | :17:16. | |
about between work and jobs, it's so important to get that right, so | :17:16. | :17:21. | |
people on benefits who want to go into work, they can make that | :17:21. | :17:25. | |
transition easily, from an employer's and employee point of | :17:25. | :17:28. | |
view. The expectation is of those people providing that growth and | :17:28. | :17:32. | |
taking those people on. Yes. Small businesses are one of the biggest | :17:32. | :17:37. | |
recruiters of people. They want people to go into work and get off | :17:37. | :17:41. | |
benefits, or off some benefits. People are desperate for work. | :17:41. | :17:45. | |
us before we go how people can get in touch with the programme? They | :17:45. | :17:54. | |
can go to the BBC News website and click on "Budget Live." They can | :17:54. | :18:04. | |
Texas or Tweet us. Yes, get on Tweeting and texting. Now back to | :18:04. | :18:10. | |
you. Thank you. Plenty more business to come to Jo | :18:10. | :18:15. | |
and her colleagues. You can follow the coverage not just on the TV, | :18:15. | :18:25. | |
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You can send comments via the BBC website. You can take part in the | :18:30. | :18:33. | |
conversation on Twitter. You can spot the comments there, add your | :18:33. | :18:36. | |
own comments too. You are very welcome to do that. In the mean | :18:36. | :18:44. | |
time, we are keeping tabs on what they are saying in the financial | :18:44. | :18:47. | |
quarter of London. Hello. I am at Rabobank. Remember | :18:47. | :18:51. | |
at the time of the Autumn Statement, the Euro-debt crisis was raging. | :18:51. | :18:57. | |
There's been a lull in the storm, but the UK economy is struggling, | :18:57. | :19:00. | |
with very sluggish growth and high unemployment. What is the City | :19:00. | :19:05. | |
expecting from this Budget? Let's speak to Jane, a senior strategist | :19:05. | :19:11. | |
here. The City does not like surprises, does it? It does not. | :19:11. | :19:15. | |
are looking for measures to support growth? The whole of Europe has | :19:15. | :19:21. | |
been a key theme for this year. Parts of Europe will suffer a deep | :19:21. | :19:25. | |
recession. It seems the UK is likely to avoid a double dip | :19:25. | :19:28. | |
recession. Things are stabilising this year. With respect to this | :19:28. | :19:32. | |
Budget, the Chancellor's hands are tied. Our debt situation, deficit | :19:32. | :19:37. | |
situation is likely to keep him on a course of austerity. We still | :19:37. | :19:40. | |
have monetary policy. There have been expectations that the Bank of | :19:40. | :19:46. | |
England could do more. This morning, we saw sterling go up. This is | :19:46. | :19:50. | |
going up against the our euro. The minutes suggested there could be | :19:50. | :19:57. | |
more on the cards. One of the ways to promote growth, it is thought, | :19:58. | :20:03. | |
is possibly tax cuts. Let's speak to a City analyst. Do you think the | :20:03. | :20:08. | |
tax cuts proposed, trailed are going to help promote growth? | :20:08. | :20:13. | |
think they might, but slowly. If we look for rapid changes, not likely. | :20:13. | :20:18. | |
If we have a one or two year change, then it might help in getting the | :20:18. | :20:23. | |
economy moving. That means getting younger people into employment? | :20:23. | :20:27. | |
have an unbelievable young people who don't have jobs. I have not | :20:27. | :20:32. | |
heard anything as to how we will get them into jobs. The only way we | :20:32. | :20:36. | |
will be able to do that is to get people to spend more money, to buy | :20:36. | :20:39. | |
new cookers, buy new cars. The economy is not at a state where we | :20:39. | :20:43. | |
can do that. Thank you. I know you will watch closely the Chancellor's | :20:43. | :20:49. | |
speech. We are expecting those tax cuts and on the other, those | :20:49. | :20:52. | |
sticking the austerity plan. A lot of people here will watch closely | :20:52. | :20:56. | |
to see how those numbers add up. Back to you. | :20:56. | :21:00. | |
Thank you. We will be back with you in a short while. Susannah Streeter | :21:00. | :21:05. | |
there. If you have just joined us here on BBC Two and the BBC News | :21:05. | :21:09. | |
channel, welcome, you are watching our special coverage of Budget Day | :21:09. | :21:13. | |
at Westminster. More guests outside Parliament, this time with Jon | :21:13. | :21:16. | |
Sopel. We know a lot about what is in | :21:16. | :21:20. | |
today's Budget, thanks to plenty of advanced leaks, or is it a briefing, | :21:20. | :21:25. | |
we should call it, from the Government? I will discuss some of | :21:25. | :21:30. | |
the expected measures in a moment with MPs from the three major | :21:30. | :21:34. | |
parties we asked the director of the institute for fiscal studys to | :21:34. | :21:38. | |
set out the options available to Chancellor Osborne to get the | :21:38. | :21:48. | |
There's only one direction that any Chancellor wants the economy | :21:48. | :21:56. | |
travelling in - the route to growth. There are plenty of levers he can | :21:56. | :22:00. | |
put. There is tax, spending or legislation. Get the combination | :22:00. | :22:07. | |
right and we could be on the fast- track to growth. | :22:07. | :22:11. | |
Changing tax rates is a way the Chancellor can control the economy. | :22:11. | :22:15. | |
For individuals, cutting the amount of money collected through income | :22:15. | :22:19. | |
tax, national insurance and VAT can encourage us to spend more, pumping | :22:19. | :22:23. | |
more cash back into the economy. For businesses, reducing the amount | :22:23. | :22:27. | |
of corporate and business taxes and free up more money to higher staff, | :22:27. | :22:30. | |
helping more people back into work. The Chancellor needs to make sure | :22:30. | :22:36. | |
to keep enough money coming in, to keep services we rely on to keep | :22:36. | :22:40. | |
running and reduce our deficit. The sweeping cuts mean big costly | :22:40. | :22:45. | |
spending plans are unlikely to appear in this Budget. | :22:45. | :22:50. | |
Spending money on big building projects can put money into | :22:50. | :22:53. | |
construction jobs and in the long- term it can help the way we do | :22:53. | :22:57. | |
business in the UK. He needs to be careful though, because any | :22:57. | :23:01. | |
loosening of the purse stranges could make it more costly for the | :23:01. | :23:06. | |
Government to finance its borrowing. Changing the rules we have to | :23:06. | :23:12. | |
follow on jobs and welfare can influence the route we take. | :23:12. | :23:17. | |
Reducing employment regulations can have an impact in the medium-term, | :23:17. | :23:22. | |
encouraging businesses to employ more people, which makes taking on | :23:22. | :23:27. | |
staff less of a liability. Businesses get rid of workers when | :23:27. | :23:31. | |
the going gets tough. It is a brave Chancellor who is willing to | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
takeaway employment rights. Rules on welfare and benefits can make a | :23:35. | :23:43. | |
difference to the bill the country pays for, things like child benefit. | :23:43. | :23:50. | |
Keeping the economy on the right track is a complex game. Economies | :23:50. | :23:55. | |
travelling alongside us threatening to derail us all together. What | :23:55. | :24:00. | |
levers will the Chancellor pull? Every rail met for there, exploited | :24:00. | :24:04. | |
to the full. In one respect this is a perfectly normal Budget Day, | :24:04. | :24:09. | |
because a group of protestors have arrived, which you can hear in the | :24:09. | :24:15. | |
background, shouting "Tax the banks, not the poor." | :24:15. | :24:20. | |
I am now joined by three guests. Welcome to you all. While we have | :24:21. | :24:24. | |
this noise in the background, you are comfortable are you to be | :24:24. | :24:28. | |
cutting the top rate of tax? I am comfortable they will charge the | :24:28. | :24:31. | |
rich more than we are doing. My aim this day, let's see what the | :24:31. | :24:36. | |
Chancellor comes up with, is that those 1% of people who currently | :24:36. | :24:41. | |
pay the 50p rate they should pay more after today's Budget. Why cut | :24:41. | :24:45. | |
the tax rate? I don't know why the Tories want to do that. It is | :24:45. | :24:48. | |
something they want to do. My concern is for the 23 million | :24:48. | :24:53. | |
people, the bottom end they should get a cut. You are in coalition | :24:53. | :24:56. | |
with them. It is a compromise Budget. The end result will be the | :24:56. | :24:59. | |
rich will pay more in tax after today than they do now. And the | :24:59. | :25:03. | |
poor will be paying less than they do now. That's because the Liberal | :25:03. | :25:08. | |
Democrats have been trying to achieve. The Tories want to posture | :25:08. | :25:12. | |
towards that 1% of the richest people. We want to help the 23 | :25:12. | :25:17. | |
million least well paid. If that is the critique you are getting from | :25:17. | :25:21. | |
coalition partners, you will have a hell of a job. I am getting it from | :25:21. | :25:25. | |
Tim. What the Budget is about is what this group of supporters are | :25:25. | :25:29. | |
calling for. We are taxing the banks at the highest level. We will | :25:29. | :25:36. | |
have the biggest tax give away for the middle and lower earning people. | :25:36. | :25:41. | |
On 50p it was a temporary tax. It is a bad tax. I hope we will get | :25:41. | :25:46. | |
data which shows it was a political gesture which sends out a terrible | :25:46. | :25:50. | |
signal. This Budget must show that Britain is open for business. | :25:50. | :25:54. | |
Without growth we don't dig our way out of the borrowing disaster. | :25:54. | :26:02. | |
are shaking your head in horror. High? Because Clare said we are in | :26:02. | :26:05. | |
it all together. It is not just a question of being out of touch, it | :26:05. | :26:08. | |
is about treating people as if they are fools. People are angry for | :26:08. | :26:12. | |
very good reasons. They have to pay enormous amounts for petrol. They | :26:12. | :26:17. | |
have to pay higher VAT. Their food bills are going up. Their real | :26:17. | :26:22. | |
wages are falling. At a time like this it is appalling to be cutting | :26:22. | :26:27. | |
that 50p rate. Hang on, I will ask you this. Will you commit yourself | :26:27. | :26:31. | |
to overturning it? If we were having the Budget today we would | :26:31. | :26:36. | |
not be cutting the 50p rate. We have three years before we get | :26:36. | :26:41. | |
to the next election. It is impossible.... Labour won't | :26:41. | :26:48. | |
reinstate the tax. OK. Ling -- I tell you what, we will leave it | :26:48. | :26:52. | |
here. Thank you very much indeed. Back to you in the studio. | :26:53. | :26:56. | |
Full marks for trying. Full marks to your guests as well for trying. | :26:56. | :27:02. | |
There you go - that is a very vivid illustration of the fact this | :27:02. | :27:05. | |
Budget is provoking intense debate because there are some very | :27:05. | :27:09. | |
important, central decisions to be made. If you have just joined us, | :27:09. | :27:12. | |
it is coming up to midday here on BBC Two and the BBC News channel. | :27:12. | :27:16. | |
In a moment, we will cross live to the House of Commons, because it is | :27:16. | :27:23. | |
Prime Minister's Questions. It will follow the session of questions | :27:23. | :27:27. | |
going on now. Perhaps it is a good idea to remind ourselves of some of | :27:27. | :27:31. | |
the things we have been led to expect in the Chancellor's Budget, | :27:31. | :27:36. | |
which starts in half an hour. A lot of trails, a lot of leaks in the | :27:36. | :27:40. | |
media. We have noted that. We have a good idea about at least some of | :27:40. | :27:43. | |
what is planned. We think Mr Osborne is set to raise the point | :27:43. | :27:47. | |
at which people start to pay income tax. The coalition's aim is clear, | :27:48. | :27:52. | |
it wants to get it up to �10,000 eventually. We will see the | :27:52. | :27:56. | |
progress. We need to know how the Chancellor will pay for any change. | :27:56. | :28:01. | |
These are expensive. There is an expectation he'll scrap the 50p tax | :28:01. | :28:09. | |
rate on earnings above �150,000. Suggestions it could be cut to 45p. | :28:09. | :28:13. | |
We will see what is said. A hard one to sell, of course, because | :28:13. | :28:17. | |
he'll need to show that the Budget is taking money from the well off | :28:17. | :28:21. | |
in other ways, we could see something like Nick Clegg's tycoon | :28:21. | :28:24. | |
tax. That is looking less likely now. That is to say a minimum rate | :28:25. | :28:29. | |
for the wealthiest. There could be a new 7% stamp duty rate on | :28:30. | :28:32. | |
properties costing more than �2 million. | :28:32. | :28:37. | |
As well as new curbs on tax avoidance. We will look for any | :28:37. | :28:43. | |
tweaks to take child benefit away from high earners from next January. | :28:43. | :28:47. | |
An adjustment expected there. Nick is with me. Robert and Stephanie | :28:47. | :28:52. | |
too. We will have time to set the scene before Prime Minister's | :28:52. | :28:58. | |
Questions. Traditionally they will not touch on the substance of any | :28:58. | :29:02. | |
Budget matters. A thought about this tax rate. I suspect it will be | :29:02. | :29:07. | |
one of the biggest headlines - clearly. The Labour predicament is | :29:07. | :29:11. | |
interesting. What are they likely to do in response? In advance they | :29:11. | :29:17. | |
have kept saying it is the wrong priority to give money back to the | :29:17. | :29:21. | |
richest and not those who need it. Why is George Osborne doing it when | :29:21. | :29:26. | |
he has a sound bite from his own leader from Prime Minister that we | :29:26. | :29:32. | |
are "all in it together." He will send a signal to people to set up | :29:32. | :29:36. | |
businesses in this country. When Alistair Darling announced the 50p | :29:36. | :29:41. | |
tax rate, he said it was a bad thing to do long term. George | :29:41. | :29:46. | |
Osborne will say, what will you do? Will you reverse this? Are you in | :29:46. | :29:54. | |
stpaivour of what you are saying? - - favour of what you are saying? | :29:54. | :29:59. | |
If it's not costing him a lot to do, is this ideological, you are now | :29:59. | :30:04. | |
against rich people. So there is a lot of politics today. The economic | :30:04. | :30:09. | |
numbers don't change that much. A lot of politics. It is like Budgets | :30:09. | :30:19. | |
| :30:19. | :30:29. | ||
I'm just wondering if the Speaker will take another question. He is | :30:29. | :30:33. | |
taking another question. So, let's just get a thought from you, Robert | :30:33. | :30:39. | |
Peston. Well, there are a couple of interesting things to say. One is, | :30:39. | :30:43. | |
now that we have got this battleground over the top rate of | :30:43. | :30:48. | |
tax, it will be interesting to see whether one of the laws of politics | :30:48. | :30:53. | |
over the past 30 years has changed. The presumption was always that you | :30:53. | :30:56. | |
could not win an election saying that you were going to put up | :30:56. | :31:00. | |
income tax. So what will be fascinating. We will have to stop | :31:00. | :31:07. | |
you there, I'm afraid. This morning, I had ministerial -- meetings with | :31:07. | :31:10. | |
ministerial colleagues and others. I shall have further such meetings | :31:10. | :31:16. | |
later today. Small Business is concerned about the culture in this | :31:16. | :31:20. | |
country. Does the Prime Minister agree with me that the example | :31:20. | :31:26. | |
should be set from the top, and that those who have a sick day and | :31:26. | :31:30. | |
then go to a football match in a Rolls Royce are setting a very bad | :31:30. | :31:34. | |
example indeed? My Right Honourable Friend makes an important point. We | :31:34. | :31:38. | |
do have a problem of a sick note culture. I have to report, Mr | :31:38. | :31:43. | |
Speaker, the problem can sometimes go to the very top. The Leader of | :31:43. | :31:46. | |
the Opposition was meant to be addressing a health rally, called | :31:46. | :31:53. | |
in sick, and three hours later was that a Hull football match. I think | :31:53. | :31:56. | |
the question is, as well as knowing the miracle cure, the question | :31:56. | :32:00. | |
would be, what was it that first attracted him to the multi- | :32:00. | :32:10. | |
| :32:10. | :32:14. | ||
millionaire owner of the football club in Hull? Mr Speaker, following | :32:14. | :32:19. | |
the Prime Minister's recent trip to Washington, we now know that the | :32:19. | :32:22. | |
timetable for the withdrawal of British forces in Afghanistan will | :32:22. | :32:26. | |
be reviewed at the NATO summit in Chicago in May. The Prime Minister | :32:26. | :32:30. | |
has previously set out a timetable that would see combat operations | :32:30. | :32:35. | |
for British troops seizing by the end of 2014. Given the recent | :32:35. | :32:39. | |
statement by the US Secretary of State for Defence and the French | :32:39. | :32:43. | |
President about an accelerated timetable for their troops, can the | :32:43. | :32:46. | |
Prime Minister confirm the British Government's position? Let me take | :32:46. | :32:51. | |
this opportunity, on behalf of the House, to once again pay tribute to | :32:51. | :32:55. | |
the magnificent work done by our Armed Forces in Afghanistan. We had | :32:55. | :32:59. | |
another reminder yesterday of the very high price that we pay. In | :32:59. | :33:02. | |
terms of the programme for withdrawal, what I have said is | :33:02. | :33:07. | |
that we will not be in a combat role in Afghanistan after 2014, nor | :33:07. | :33:11. | |
will we have anything like the number of troops that we have now. | :33:11. | :33:16. | |
We will be performing a training task, particularly helping with the | :33:16. | :33:21. | |
training academy. It is important that we have a sensible profile for | :33:21. | :33:25. | |
the reduction in troop numbers, which should be largely based on | :33:25. | :33:30. | |
the conditions in the three parts of Helmand province which we are | :33:30. | :33:34. | |
still responsible for. What I discussed with President Obama was | :33:34. | :33:39. | |
making sure that in 2013, if there are opportunities to change the | :33:39. | :33:43. | |
nature of the mission, and be more in support rather than in a direct | :33:43. | :33:47. | |
combat role, then I think that is something everyone will want to see. | :33:47. | :33:54. | |
We can make further progress on that issue in Chicago. I thank the | :33:54. | :33:58. | |
Prime Minister for that answer, and I know he will keep the House | :33:58. | :34:05. | |
informed of any change in the British position. I'm sure he will | :34:05. | :34:09. | |
also agree that in the wake of the tragic killing of Afghan civilians | :34:09. | :34:19. | |
| :34:19. | :34:21. | ||
last week, it is something we all abhor, but we must carry on with | :34:21. | :34:25. | |
our mission. President Karzai has said that international troops | :34:25. | :34:29. | |
should be confined to their bases, but does the Prime Minister agree | :34:29. | :34:33. | |
with me that while the troops are there, they must be able to perform | :34:33. | :34:37. | |
that role of protecting the Afghan population. Can he tell us what | :34:37. | :34:40. | |
discussions he has had with President Karzai about the impact | :34:40. | :34:47. | |
of any possible change in our role in that country? Our teams are in | :34:47. | :34:51. | |
permanent contact, and I speak to President Karzai regularly. What | :34:51. | :34:54. | |
happened in Afghanistan, with the dreadful shootings which were | :34:55. | :35:01. | |
carried out by the American soldier, is a dreadful event, it was a mass | :35:01. | :35:04. | |
murder, and it must be dealt with as such. I know that President | :35:04. | :35:08. | |
Obama takes that view as well. In terms of making sure that we work | :35:08. | :35:12. | |
with the Afghans, the key is to make sure that we transition into | :35:12. | :35:16. | |
three parts of Helmand for which we are responsible, and that we hand | :35:16. | :35:20. | |
over to Afghan troops, and that they are in the lead as soon as | :35:20. | :35:25. | |
they are capable. I do not have any concerns at the moment about the | :35:25. | :35:29. | |
role of British troops, they're able to carry out the tasks which | :35:29. | :35:33. | |
they have been allotted. We are making good progress in the three | :35:33. | :35:42. | |
parts of Helmand. But transition is a process, and we should be trying | :35:42. | :35:50. | |
to make the most of the transition. I know he agrees with me that | :35:50. | :35:52. | |
dialogue with President Karzai and his representatives is very | :35:52. | :35:57. | |
important on this issue. A few days ago, the Taliban took the decision | :35:57. | :36:02. | |
to suspend talks with the United States. In the light of this, can | :36:02. | :36:05. | |
the Prime Minister tell the House what his assessment of the | :36:05. | :36:09. | |
significance of this is, and does he agree with me that we await to | :36:09. | :36:13. | |
our troops in Afghanistan to be much more urgently focused on the | :36:13. | :36:16. | |
task of securing a lasting political settlement? Can he tell | :36:16. | :36:20. | |
us how the British Government plans to play its role in getting the | :36:20. | :36:25. | |
political process re-started. thank him for that question, it is | :36:25. | :36:28. | |
vitally important that we get this right. The last government took the | :36:28. | :36:32. | |
same view, that the British position has always been that we | :36:32. | :36:36. | |
need to have a political settlement, in order to make sure we get the | :36:36. | :36:39. | |
best possible outcome for the people of Afghanistan. Britain has | :36:39. | :36:43. | |
been pushing for political reconciliation and reintegration, | :36:43. | :36:47. | |
and I have had very productive talks with President Obama on this, | :36:47. | :36:50. | |
because the American view is the same, they want to support the | :36:51. | :36:54. | |
political process. But of course, the Taliban have said what they | :36:54. | :36:59. | |
said last week, and I would make his point - we're committed to | :36:59. | :37:02. | |
handing over to the Afghan Government, the Afghan military, | :37:02. | :37:05. | |
the Afghan police, and the numbers of Afghan military and police are | :37:05. | :37:10. | |
on track - we committed to doing that at the end of 2014. We believe | :37:10. | :37:15. | |
that can happen, even without a political settlement, with a | :37:15. | :37:18. | |
satisfactory outcome for the United Kingdom. But clearly it would be | :37:18. | :37:21. | |
better for everyone if it was accompanied by a political | :37:21. | :37:25. | |
settlement. The work for that, including setting up a Taliban | :37:25. | :37:29. | |
political office, is progressing well. I believe it is in everyone's | :37:29. | :37:32. | |
interest that we keep pushing the agenda, but the Taliban should be | :37:33. | :37:35. | |
in no doubt, there are opportunities for a political | :37:35. | :37:40. | |
settlement if they give up violence, renounce Al-Qaeda and want to play | :37:40. | :37:43. | |
a part in the future of politics in Afghanistan. If they do not take | :37:43. | :37:46. | |
those steps, we will continue to defeat them on the battlefield | :37:46. | :37:51. | |
every time they raise their head. know that the Prime Minister will | :37:51. | :37:55. | |
agree that the air ambulance is a fantastic charity, which enjoys | :37:55. | :38:00. | |
support across the whole House. A typical branch needs to raise | :38:00. | :38:05. | |
around �5 million a year, and yet can only claim gift Aid on about 5% | :38:05. | :38:09. | |
of that - will he help make it easier for charities to get the | :38:09. | :38:15. | |
gift aid which they are due? Let me join him in paying tribute to the | :38:15. | :38:21. | |
air ambulance, they do an amazing job. We're providing �3 billion a | :38:21. | :38:26. | |
year in tax reliefs for charities, of which gift Aid makes up around | :38:26. | :38:30. | |
�1 billion. We are increasing the amount that charities are allowed | :38:30. | :38:40. | |
| :38:40. | :38:43. | ||
to claim on without the need for a declaration, taking it up to �5,000. | :38:43. | :38:46. | |
When the Disability Minister came to Wales last week, she said it was | :38:46. | :38:54. | |
for others to consider whether budgets should be devolved to Wales. | :38:55. | :38:59. | |
I think when she said others, she meant you, Prime Minister. The | :38:59. | :39:09. | |
| :39:09. | :39:11. | ||
Welsh Government has already said it is committed to supporting the | :39:11. | :39:15. | |
Remploy budget in Wales. We knew there for devolve that budget in | :39:15. | :39:20. | |
order to make sure that those factories can have a future? I will | :39:20. | :39:28. | |
look carefully at the proposal. It has been put forward in a | :39:28. | :39:33. | |
constructive spirit. But whether this decision is reserved or | :39:33. | :39:37. | |
devolved, it does not actually mean you do not have to take difficult | :39:37. | :39:42. | |
decisions. The fact is, we did ask the chief executive of Disability | :39:42. | :39:47. | |
Rights UK to look at this issue, and the outcome which she came up | :39:47. | :39:53. | |
with has been supported by many organisations, and the point is | :39:53. | :39:57. | |
that government funding allows for half a billion pounds over five | :39:57. | :40:00. | |
years for Remploy, but even that is not enough to keep those factories | :40:01. | :40:09. | |
open. The reason for that is, while Access to Work awards are around | :40:09. | :40:13. | |
�2,900 per disabled person, the cost of each job in Remploy is | :40:13. | :40:17. | |
around �25,000 per person. So, if the aim of policy is to use the | :40:17. | :40:20. | |
money that we have to support getting disabled people into work, | :40:20. | :40:26. | |
you can understand why the review came to the decision it did. | :40:26. | :40:34. | |
last few weeks have seen the start of the �350 million construction of | :40:34. | :40:38. | |
Jaguar Land Rover's new engine plant in my constituency. Does my | :40:38. | :40:40. | |
Right Honourable Friend agree that this is a sign of growing | :40:40. | :40:44. | |
confidence and belief in British manufacturing, which is in stark | :40:44. | :40:47. | |
contrast to the destruction wrought on it by the last Labour | :40:47. | :40:53. | |
government? My Right Honourable Friend makes an important point, | :40:53. | :40:57. | |
the Jaguar Land Rover news is excellent news for the West | :40:57. | :41:00. | |
Midlands, excellent news for British manufacturing and car- | :41:00. | :41:05. | |
making. What is happening in the car industry is not confined to | :41:05. | :41:10. | |
Jaguar Land Rover. If you look at Honda, Nissan, Toyota, they are all | :41:11. | :41:13. | |
expanding across our country, which is great news for British | :41:13. | :41:21. | |
manufacturing. On the bus to the Commons today, I foolishly revealed | :41:21. | :41:31. | |
to a fellow passenger that it was a member of parliament. After some | :41:31. | :41:36. | |
light hearted and customary abuse, our conversation turned to life, | :41:36. | :41:41. | |
the universe and commuting. So, can the Prime Minister tell me, and the | :41:41. | :41:49. | |
man on the Peckham on the bus, if that journey cost me 90p under Ken | :41:49. | :41:55. | |
Livingstone, how much did that same journey cost me today, under Boris? | :41:55. | :41:58. | |
The point I would make is that Ken Livingstone twice promised to | :41:59. | :42:03. | |
freeze fares, and twice did not deliver. But the difference between | :42:03. | :42:13. | |
| :42:13. | :42:19. | ||
the two is that Boris pays his On that very subject, I look | :42:19. | :42:22. | |
forward in the Budget later to measures on tax avoidance. Would | :42:22. | :42:25. | |
the Prime Minister agree with me that people seeking high office in | :42:25. | :42:29. | |
public life should set a better example? The Right Honourable Lady | :42:29. | :42:35. | |
makes an important point. I have to note, Ken Livingstone has said that | :42:35. | :42:39. | |
if he is elected Mayor of London, he will then fully pay his taxes. | :42:39. | :42:43. | |
It is not for me to hand out political advice, but my advice | :42:43. | :42:51. | |
would be to pay them before the campaign gets going. Does the Prime | :42:51. | :42:53. | |
Minister recognise that the introduction of regional pay would | :42:53. | :42:59. | |
set hospital against hospital and school against school, and yet it | :42:59. | :43:04. | |
would almost certainly push up the overall cost of public sector pay? | :43:04. | :43:09. | |
Unless he can give us a guarantee here today, a promised that if he | :43:09. | :43:14. | |
introduces regional pay, it will bring down the overall bill... | :43:14. | :43:19. | |
I would say is, the last government introduced local pay into the | :43:19. | :43:22. | |
Courts Service, so the idea of looking at local pay for some | :43:23. | :43:26. | |
public services is not some alien concept, it is a perfectly sensible | :43:26. | :43:32. | |
thing to look at. I also have to say, his front bench suggested that | :43:32. | :43:35. | |
we look at a local level of benefits in the debate about | :43:35. | :43:45. | |
| :43:45. | :43:53. | ||
benefits. So surely he should be in I'm sure the Prime Minister shares | :43:53. | :43:59. | |
with me admiration for the work of the rescue helicopter service | :43:59. | :44:04. | |
around our country. Does he share my concern that the loss of the | :44:04. | :44:08. | |
Portland search-and-rescue helicopter in 2017 will threaten | :44:08. | :44:13. | |
the lives of my constituents and damage the integrity of the search- | :44:13. | :44:17. | |
and-rescue service on the south coast? I totally agree with the | :44:17. | :44:20. | |
Honourable Gentleman that a reliable search-and-rescue service | :44:20. | :44:25. | |
is absolutely vital. We have looked at keeping west King helicopters, | :44:25. | :44:29. | |
which is one of the things he has suggested, but they would not be | :44:29. | :44:35. | |
able to provide such a good service as a modern fleet of helicopters. | :44:35. | :44:39. | |
We believe our changes should provide faster flying times and a | :44:39. | :44:45. | |
more reliable service. Mr Speaker, following the riots last year, the | :44:45. | :44:49. | |
Prime Minister came to the House and said, we will help you repair | :44:49. | :44:53. | |
the damage, get your business is back up and running and support | :44:53. | :44:57. | |
your communities. Last week the Metropolitan Police revealed that | :44:57. | :45:01. | |
of those uninsured people who make claims under the act of Parliament, | :45:01. | :45:05. | |
only about half of those have been settled - does the Prime Minister | :45:05. | :45:09. | |
agree this is not good enough? agree, there have been problems | :45:09. | :45:14. | |
under the act. This is why we have introduced a number of extra funds, | :45:15. | :45:17. | |
run by the Department for community and local government, and those | :45:17. | :45:23. | |
funds have paid out faster. The act of Parliament is a good piece of | :45:23. | :45:26. | |
legislation, although it is quite out of date, but it does take time | :45:26. | :45:35. | |
to make those payments, and I'd I say to the Prime Minister to that | :45:35. | :45:38. | |
we are eight months on from the riots. The Deputy Prime Minister | :45:38. | :45:43. | |
hosted a reception - I think that the honourable gentleman opposite | :45:43. | :45:46. | |
should listen to this very important issue about the riots - | :45:46. | :45:50. | |
at a reception last week organised by the Deputy Prime Minister, he | :45:51. | :45:55. | |
and I met an owner of a supermarket that was raised to the ground | :45:55. | :46:03. | |
during the eye vence on 8 and the - - -- violence on 8th August. She is | :46:03. | :46:06. | |
still waiting for compensation. That is not right. It is the | :46:06. | :46:10. | |
Government's responsibility to make sure she gets the compensation she | :46:10. | :46:14. | |
deserves? I agree. I will look into that specific case. As I said, one | :46:14. | :46:18. | |
of the reasons why I introduced funds along alongside the Riot | :46:18. | :46:21. | |
Damages Act was to get that money out of local authorities faster. If | :46:21. | :46:25. | |
he likes, I will put in the library of the House of Commons a set of | :46:25. | :46:30. | |
information about what those funds did, where we have got to with the | :46:30. | :46:33. | |
Riot Damages Act and also I will look into the individual case that | :46:33. | :46:37. | |
he mentions. Talking about people who haven't | :46:37. | :46:40. | |
been helped by that money that was provided to local authorities and | :46:40. | :46:43. | |
can't get help. Now Mr Speaker, three things need to happen to make | :46:43. | :46:48. | |
good on this. First of all, there needs to be proper information on | :46:48. | :46:52. | |
the payments made under the Riot Damages Act as a matter of urgency | :46:52. | :46:59. | |
because there is - no, there is one report, they say there is | :46:59. | :47:01. | |
information, there is information from the Metropolitan Police, but | :47:01. | :47:05. | |
the reality is that the information available is very patchy about what | :47:05. | :47:08. | |
is happening around the country. So firstly, we need proper information. | :47:08. | :47:12. | |
Secondly, I asked him him to nominate a minister in the in the | :47:12. | :47:15. | |
Home Office whose job it is to make sure the claims are paid and | :47:15. | :47:20. | |
thirdly, can he promise to back to the House with a clear indication | :47:20. | :47:25. | |
when 100% of legitimate claims will be properly settled? I am happy to | :47:26. | :47:30. | |
come back to the House. As I said, putting answer into the House of | :47:30. | :47:35. | |
Commons library about this information. On the case he | :47:35. | :47:42. | |
mentions, it was a multiple claim, but I accept eight months is too | :47:42. | :47:45. | |
long. The honourable member in the Home Office who is the policing | :47:45. | :47:49. | |
minister is take ago lead on this, but I have held follow-up meetings | :47:49. | :47:52. | |
myself with DCLG and the Home Office to make sure the money is | :47:52. | :47:55. | |
paid out. Thank you, Mr Speak he were. The | :47:55. | :48:01. | |
Prime Minister maybe aware that the charity which provides support for | :48:01. | :48:06. | |
servicemen has has changed its name. In order to raise awareness of this | :48:06. | :48:11. | |
name change l the Prime Minister join with me in visiting their new | :48:11. | :48:15. | |
residential centre in order to see at first handted wonderful -- hand | :48:15. | :48:20. | |
the wonderful work they do in supporting our veterans? Perhaps I | :48:20. | :48:26. | |
will be able to schedule a visit before long. I would like to put on | :48:26. | :48:30. | |
record my thanks for the way they help former service personnel who | :48:30. | :48:36. | |
have tragically lost their sight. He pays them a compliment and | :48:36. | :48:40. | |
explains the change in their name. As a country and as a Government we | :48:40. | :48:43. | |
have a debt to pay to former service personnel. They do, they | :48:44. | :48:50. | |
have done extraordinary on behalf of their country and we need to | :48:50. | :48:53. | |
look after them through their life and the Chancellor will be making | :48:53. | :49:00. | |
announcements about that in his Budget. The Prime Minister said | :49:00. | :49:03. | |
last year unhis Government unemployment would fall year-on- | :49:03. | :49:07. | |
year and here we are on at this moment with a 17 year high record | :49:07. | :49:15. | |
in unemployment. In my constituency, there is a 5.4 people chasing every | :49:15. | :49:21. | |
job vacancy. The regional jobs fund has only supported four businesses. | :49:21. | :49:29. | |
Why should the workers and many others set to lose their job | :49:29. | :49:31. | |
believe a single word the Prime Minister... | :49:31. | :49:36. | |
THE SPEAKER: The Prime Minister. First of all, on the specific case | :49:36. | :49:40. | |
of the Rio Tinto plant, I know how important that is we are working | :49:40. | :49:43. | |
with the council and with the company to do what we can to help | :49:43. | :49:47. | |
get those people work. I understand Rio Tinto areinitions with a | :49:47. | :49:51. | |
potential purchaser of that plant. What I say to him about employment | :49:51. | :49:55. | |
and unemployment is clearly we need more jobs in our economy, but since | :49:55. | :49:59. | |
the election we have had over 600,000 new jobs in the private | :49:59. | :50:04. | |
sector. The level of employment in the country is up by around 250,000 | :50:04. | :50:10. | |
and there are fewer people on out of work benefits benefits now than | :50:10. | :50:13. | |
there were at the time of the election. And in terms of what is | :50:13. | :50:16. | |
happening in the north-east, we should celebrate the good news, the | :50:16. | :50:22. | |
fact that Nissan is creating 2,000 jobs. The fact that high high tachy | :50:22. | :50:28. | |
is -- high tachy is building a new plant. The fact that Greggs are | :50:28. | :50:30. | |
putting more money into the north- east. We should be talking up the | :50:30. | :50:33. | |
north-east instead of talking it down. | :50:33. | :50:39. | |
Thank you, Mr Speaker. The running aground of a cargo vessel on a | :50:39. | :50:43. | |
small island showed the need for the emergency coastguard tug that | :50:43. | :50:47. | |
was withdrawn from service. Will the Prime Minister please look into | :50:47. | :50:51. | |
this as a matter of urgency in view to get ago replacement tug in place | :50:51. | :50:56. | |
before a worse indent happens? know this issue is being looked | :50:56. | :51:01. | |
into at the moment so I'm happy to write to the honourable gentleman | :51:01. | :51:04. | |
and give him the details. I know he represents island communities that | :51:04. | :51:07. | |
can be cut off particularly during the winter months and he needs to | :51:07. | :51:12. | |
know that those services are there and I will write to him about that. | :51:12. | :51:18. | |
THE SPEAKER: Question seven, a closed question. Graham Alan. | :51:18. | :51:22. | |
Question number seven, Mr Speaker. Will let me pay work to the work | :51:22. | :51:26. | |
the honourable gentleman does this this area. Early intervention is | :51:26. | :51:29. | |
central to what this Government is looking to achieve. That is how | :51:29. | :51:33. | |
we're going to improve the life chances of the least well off in | :51:33. | :51:39. | |
our country and lift young people out of poverty. We will base | :51:39. | :51:43. | |
funding decisions on what comes out of the first two, the early | :51:43. | :51:47. | |
intervention grant is going to rise next year. | :51:47. | :51:51. | |
May I thank the the Prime Minister and the leaders of all parties in | :51:51. | :51:54. | |
the chamber, there speaker for their continue for early | :51:54. | :51:59. | |
intervention. Early intervention not only helps babies and children | :51:59. | :52:02. | |
and young people develop the social and emotional capability to make | :52:02. | :52:04. | |
the best of themselves, but it saves the country billions of | :52:04. | :52:10. | |
pounds in the Long Run. Would he and indeed, the Chancellor take | :52:10. | :52:14. | |
this as the first representation, not for today's Budget, but for | :52:14. | :52:18. | |
next year's Budget? Would he consider theming next year's Budget | :52:18. | :52:23. | |
around early intervention, bringing forward proposals for tax changes | :52:23. | :52:27. | |
to stimulate the social finance market that we heard about in | :52:27. | :52:33. | |
earlier questions and move 1% only of departmental dughts departments | :52:33. | :52:36. | |
from late intervention to early intervention. | :52:36. | :52:40. | |
That was an example of early intervention and I praise him for | :52:40. | :52:44. | |
the work that he has done. As he knows, we are going to be setting | :52:44. | :52:48. | |
up the early intervention foundation that will be funded in | :52:49. | :52:53. | |
order to make the arguments that he has put whichever side of the House | :52:53. | :52:57. | |
he has been sitting on for many years. I will discuss this with the | :52:57. | :53:01. | |
Chancellor, what we are trying to do is look at all the mechanisms we | :53:01. | :53:05. | |
have whether it is backing nursery education, introducing a pupil | :53:05. | :53:07. | |
premium, making sure that the early intervention grant is going up, of | :53:07. | :53:11. | |
putting the money in early to try and change people's life chances | :53:11. | :53:15. | |
before it is too late. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Is the Prime | :53:15. | :53:18. | |
Minister aware that Harlow has the highest business growth in the | :53:18. | :53:23. | |
whole of the United Kingdom? Thanks to a Conservative council | :53:23. | :53:27. | |
that is open for business a a Conservative-led Government that | :53:27. | :53:32. | |
invested in an enterprise zone and increased apprentices and cut tax. | :53:32. | :53:35. | |
Will the Prime Minister come to Harlow so we can show Britain how | :53:35. | :53:40. | |
to lead the economic recovery? danger of being accused of watching | :53:40. | :53:45. | |
too much television, you can summarise this question as saying | :53:45. | :53:51. | |
The Only Way is Essex! What I would say is congratulate Harlow on the | :53:51. | :53:54. | |
fantastic achievement they have. The Government wants to play itself, | :53:54. | :53:59. | |
not least by the enterprise zone and we hope will create 5,000 new | :53:59. | :54:06. | |
jobs. In North Tyneside, over 7,000 hard- | :54:06. | :54:11. | |
working families depend on working tax credits to make ends meet. Yet | :54:11. | :54:16. | |
less than 200 people have to pay top rate tax. Which of these groups | :54:16. | :54:20. | |
does the Prime Minister think needs the most support in the | :54:20. | :54:24. | |
Chancellor's Budget? What I can tell the honourable lady, | :54:24. | :54:28. | |
we have we have increased the Child Tax Credit by �255 last year which | :54:28. | :54:35. | |
was the biggest increase in its history and it will go up by | :54:35. | :54:39. | |
another �135 this year and in terms of the very richest in our country, | :54:39. | :54:42. | |
let me reassure her, after this Budget, they will be paying more in | :54:42. | :54:48. | |
tax. As well as the Liberal Democrat | :54:48. | :54:54. | |
priority to lift the tax threshold to �10,000, account Prime Minister | :54:54. | :54:56. | |
agree that on the best ways of helping... | :54:56. | :55:02. | |
THE SPEAKER: Order. Mr Hughes must be heard. Simon Hughes. | :55:02. | :55:06. | |
Does the the Prime Minister agree that one of the best ways of | :55:06. | :55:10. | |
helping families on low and medium incomes is to build more affordable | :55:10. | :55:15. | |
housing throughout the country? And given Labour's legacy in London was | :55:15. | :55:19. | |
350,000 families on the waiting list, can he assure us that there | :55:19. | :55:23. | |
will be more affordable housing both in London and across the | :55:23. | :55:29. | |
country? Well, we do want to get our housing market started again | :55:29. | :55:33. | |
including affordable housing and that's why the higher right to buy, | :55:33. | :55:37. | |
that is going to go into building affordable homes. We are doing more | :55:38. | :55:41. | |
to kick start those places that have planning permission, but can't | :55:41. | :55:44. | |
get underway because of problems with bank and other finance and | :55:44. | :55:48. | |
that's why we are putting extra money into those schemes to make | :55:48. | :55:57. | |
sure that building takes place this year or next year. | :55:57. | :56:02. | |
Some of the information used by the consulting association could have | :56:02. | :56:07. | |
only come from the police or the Security Services. When 3,000 | :56:07. | :56:10. | |
mostly celebrities had their telephones Hacked, the Government | :56:10. | :56:19. | |
set up a public inquiry under Leveson. The Over 3,000 trade | :56:19. | :56:26. | |
unionists have been back listed. Why is there one route for justice | :56:26. | :56:29. | |
for celebrities and another for working people? There is one law | :56:29. | :56:33. | |
that has to cover everybody in this land. If there is any accusations | :56:33. | :56:36. | |
of wrongdoing, that is something that the police, who are completely | :56:36. | :56:39. | |
independent of Government, can investigate. And that is what | :56:39. | :56:43. | |
should happen. Let me say to the honourable gentleman, I say that on | :56:43. | :56:49. | |
his behalf, but he could do do something on everyone's behalf. He | :56:49. | :56:57. | |
runs the Right To Work campaign that stops young people getting | :56:57. | :57:03. | |
workplaces. If he cares about young people, he will give up that left- | :57:03. | :57:06. | |
wing position. My county has below average | :57:06. | :57:10. | |
household income, but funding for schools and healthcare has for a | :57:10. | :57:15. | |
long time been some of the lowest in the country. Does my right | :57:15. | :57:18. | |
honourable friend share my view this is unfair and will he support | :57:18. | :57:23. | |
measures to change the funding formulas it and to get a fair deal | :57:23. | :57:27. | |
for my my county and for other similarly affected rural areas? | :57:27. | :57:32. | |
are looking at the funding formula for schools and we want to make it | :57:32. | :57:35. | |
simple so we can people can see what criteria are and why their | :57:36. | :57:39. | |
area receives the money that it does, but at the same time as that | :57:39. | :57:42. | |
are, we are introducing the pupil premium which will mean that parts | :57:42. | :57:45. | |
of the country like his, where there are quite high levels of | :57:45. | :57:49. | |
deprivation in parts, will get specific funding for those children | :57:50. | :57:54. | |
who are on free school meals and that should help the funding of the | :57:54. | :57:57. | |
schools that need the money the most. | :57:57. | :58:02. | |
Will the Prime Minister publish - including the action that is needed | :58:02. | :58:07. | |
to mitigate the risks this that Health Bill poses to patients? | :58:07. | :58:13. | |
I would say is that as far as I can see we have voted in this House of | :58:13. | :58:17. | |
Commons twice on the same issue and on both occasions, thank you Mr | :58:17. | :58:24. | |
Speaker, there was a sigma jort in -- significant majority in favour | :58:24. | :58:27. | |
of the Government's position and I would also add that the last | :58:27. | :58:31. | |
Government had many, many opportunities to publish risk | :58:31. | :58:36. | |
registers and they didn't do it. THE SPEAKER: I always appreciate | :58:36. | :58:39. | |
the Prime Minister's gratitude, I am sure. | :58:39. | :58:46. | |
For ten years or more, leading Conservatives like the noble Lord | :58:46. | :58:53. | |
Saatchi and Tebbit have argued for people on low incomes to be taken | :58:53. | :58:59. | |
out of income tax altogether. Does my right honourable friend | :59:00. | :59:05. | |
agree that this is a thoroughly Conservative idea whose time has | :59:05. | :59:12. | |
well and truly arrived? What I would say to my honourable | :59:12. | :59:17. | |
friend is almost uniquely, I am not going to prejudge what is in the | :59:17. | :59:20. | |
Chancellor's Budget, but I think we can say in reference to what he | :59:20. | :59:30. | |
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says there, is if you like, Mr Speaker, a kaleidoscope Budget! | :59:38. | :59:44. | |
THE SPEAKER: I am so encouraged that the Prime Minister is using my | :59:44. | :59:46. | |
language! Good on him! | :59:46. | :59:53. | |
Thank you, Mr Speaker. The Prime Minister may recall that at the | :59:53. | :59:56. | |
time of the Strategic Defence and Security Review he described it as | :59:56. | :00:03. | |
a mistake and an error to use the short take of the Joint Strike | :00:03. | :00:07. | |
Fighter. As the Ministry of Defence is about to perform a U-turn on | :00:07. | :00:11. | |
that decision, doesn't he now accept and understand that the real | :00:11. | :00:15. | |
mistake and error has been in a Defence Review that's been | :00:15. | :00:21. | |
inadequate and is fast unravelling. The mistake and error was in | :00:21. | :00:28. | |
inheriting a �38 billion black hole in the defence budget. What he | :00:28. | :00:31. | |
wants as Defence Secretary is to be the first Defence Secretary in a | :00:31. | :00:35. | |
generation frankly to announce a balanced and funded budget for | :00:35. | :00:39. | |
defence for this year and for many years to come. That is what we are | :00:39. | :00:43. | |
discussing. We will look at all of the evidence, all of the costings | :00:43. | :00:47. | |
and costings as he will know change in defence, but I do make this | :00:47. | :00:51. | |
pledge - unlike previous governments, if costs change and if | :00:51. | :00:55. | |
facts change we won't just plough on regardless and make wrong | :00:55. | :01:05. | |
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THE SPEAKER: We come now to the The Speaker is vacating the chair | :01:17. | :01:22. | |
because it is not the job of the Speaker to preside over the Budget | :01:22. | :01:26. | |
statement itself. It is the job of the senior deputy, who will now go | :01:26. | :01:29. | |
through a few of the formal motions which will prepare the way for the | :01:29. | :01:33. | |
Budget statement itself. This is all part of the parliamentary | :01:33. | :01:43. | |
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Mr Deputy Speaker, this Budget rewards work. Britain is going to | :02:00. | :02:06. | |
earn its way in the world. There is no other road to recovery. This | :02:06. | :02:10. | |
Budget supports working families and helps those looking for work. | :02:10. | :02:15. | |
It unashamedly backs business, and it is on the side of aspiration, | :02:15. | :02:19. | |
those who want to do better for themselves and for their families. | :02:19. | :02:24. | |
This Budget reaffirms our unwavering commitment to deal with | :02:24. | :02:29. | |
Britain's record debts. But because we have already taken difficult | :02:29. | :02:39. | |
| :02:39. | :02:43. | ||
decisions, this can also be a reforming budget. A model which saw | :02:43. | :02:47. | |
manufacturing almost half while the national debt doubled. Mr the | :02:47. | :02:53. | |
biggie Speaker, this is how Britain will earn its way in the world, | :02:53. | :03:03. | |
| :03:03. | :03:06. | ||
with far-reaching tax reform. The tax system will be more competitive | :03:06. | :03:11. | |
for business than any other economy in the world, a system where | :03:11. | :03:21. | |
| :03:21. | :03:26. | ||
millions on the lowest pay are Reforming tax is only part of the | :03:26. | :03:30. | |
story. We will earn our way in the world | :03:30. | :03:34. | |
by saying to all business, large and small, we will provide you with | :03:34. | :03:40. | |
the modern infrastructure. New growth-friendly planning rules and | :03:40. | :03:44. | |
employment rules. The kind of schools and universities our future | :03:44. | :03:49. | |
workforce needs. In return, new British business have the | :03:49. | :03:53. | |
confidence to invest, innovate and be the best. We earn our way in the | :03:53. | :03:58. | |
world F we stop being afraid to identify Britain's strengths and | :03:58. | :04:04. | |
re-enforce them instead, backing industrieser row space, | :04:04. | :04:10. | |
pharmaceuticals, creative media and science. A deliberate strath gi to | :04:10. | :04:17. | |
create a more balanced -- strathgi to create a more balanced economy. | :04:17. | :04:20. | |
Mr Deputy Speaker, stability comes first. | :04:20. | :04:24. | |
The report from the Office for Budget Responsibility reminds us | :04:24. | :04:29. | |
today of the risks to stability. Despite the welcome action by the | :04:29. | :04:34. | |
European Central Bank, the impact of the sovereign debt crisis on the | :04:34. | :04:38. | |
European economy has been significant. Italy, the Netherlands, | :04:38. | :04:43. | |
Belgium and others are now in recession. Germany's economy shrank | :04:43. | :04:49. | |
in the last quarter. In today's report the OBR are sharply revising | :04:49. | :04:59. | |
| :04:59. | :04:59. | ||
down their forecast for Euro-area growth from 0.8% to minus.3%. Their | :04:59. | :05:06. | |
forecast is revised down by 0.2% and by 0.3%. Of course, Britain is | :05:07. | :05:12. | |
not immune from these developments in our largest export markets. And | :05:12. | :05:18. | |
the OBR say today that the situation in the Euro-area remains | :05:18. | :05:22. | |
a major risk to our forecast. Another risk they identify is a | :05:22. | :05:27. | |
further spike in oil prices. There is no doubt that the high oil price, | :05:27. | :05:31. | |
driven by real demand and the Iranian situation is of great | :05:31. | :05:36. | |
concern across the world. It means that the OBR's overall | :05:36. | :05:41. | |
assessment of the outlook and risks to the British economy is broadly | :05:41. | :05:45. | |
unchanged since last November's report. Despite these headwinds, | :05:45. | :05:50. | |
there are more positive signs. The OBR expect the British economy to | :05:50. | :05:53. | |
avoid a technical recession, with positive growth in the first | :05:53. | :05:58. | |
quarter of this year. They say that the British economy has, in their | :05:58. | :06:03. | |
words "Carried more momentum into the New Year than previously | :06:03. | :06:07. | |
anticipated." Indeed, the Office for Budget Responsibility is | :06:07. | :06:13. | |
slightly revising up their growth forecast for the UK this year. | :06:13. | :06:23. | |
That is 0.8%. Then they forecast 2% next year, 2.7% in.... THE SPEAKER: | :06:23. | :06:27. | |
Order! In fairness, we want to hear from the Chancellor of the | :06:27. | :06:31. | |
Exchequer. We cannot do that with too much noise on either side. | :06:31. | :06:38. | |
Chancellor of the Exchequer. They then forecast 2% next year. | :06:38. | :06:45. | |
2.7% in 2014 and 3% in both 2015 and 2016. | :06:45. | :06:48. | |
The OBR's forecast unemployment rate is the same as last autumn. | :06:48. | :06:53. | |
They expect it to peek at this year at 8.7%, before falling each year | :06:53. | :06:59. | |
to 6.3% by the end of the forecast period. But they have revised down | :06:59. | :07:04. | |
their estimate of the claimant count, which they now expect to be | :07:04. | :07:09. | |
100,000 lower in each of the next four years than previously forecast. | :07:09. | :07:14. | |
Peeking this year rather than at the 1.8 million they forecast in | :07:14. | :07:18. | |
November. They forecast one million more jobs in the economy over five | :07:18. | :07:25. | |
years. Inflation is expected to fall | :07:25. | :07:31. | |
throughout the period. From 2 por i.8% this year. To 2 -- 2.8% this | :07:31. | :07:36. | |
year. I am today writing to the Governor | :07:36. | :07:41. | |
of the Bank of England to reaffirm the CPI inflation target of 2%. The | :07:41. | :07:44. | |
Government's credible and responsible fiscal policy allows | :07:44. | :07:48. | |
the independent central bank to pursue an activist monetary policy, | :07:48. | :07:53. | |
consistent with targeting low inflation. I confirm that the asset | :07:53. | :07:57. | |
purchase facility will remain in place for the coming year. So | :07:57. | :08:00. | |
unemployment is growing. Inflation is coming down. So too is the | :08:00. | :08:05. | |
deficit. When this Government came to office, | :08:05. | :08:09. | |
the Budget deficit stood at 11%. The state was borrowing one in four | :08:09. | :08:14. | |
of every single pound that it spent. Today, I can report that the | :08:14. | :08:19. | |
deficit is falling and is forecast to reach 7.6% next year. The share | :08:19. | :08:24. | |
of national income taken by the state will have fallen from 48% | :08:24. | :08:28. | |
when we took office to 43% next year. | :08:28. | :08:32. | |
We must stick to the course, so that there will be no deficit- | :08:32. | :08:36. | |
funded give aways today. Because we have taken difficult decisions, nor | :08:36. | :08:44. | |
do we need to tighten further. Over the five year period this is a | :08:44. | :08:49. | |
fiscally neutral budget. So, Mr Deputy Speaker, let me turn to | :08:50. | :08:53. | |
fiscal forecasts. The whole House will be pleased to know that these | :08:53. | :08:59. | |
have improved from the forecasts I presented in November. Borrowing | :08:59. | :09:07. | |
this year is to come in at �126 billion. �1 billion lower than I | :09:07. | :09:11. | |
forecast in the autumn. Over �30 billion a year lower than its peek | :09:11. | :09:15. | |
the year before we came to office - - peak the year before we came to | :09:15. | :09:24. | |
office. Borrowing will fall to �120 billion next year f you exclude the | :09:25. | :09:34. | |
pension assets. �75 billion, then �52 billion, reaching �21 billion | :09:34. | :09:37. | |
by 2016-2017. Borrowing is �11 billion less than I last forecast | :09:37. | :09:42. | |
in the autumn. This will be used to pay down debt. | :09:42. | :09:47. | |
In my first Budget, I set the Government the fiscal mandate of | :09:47. | :09:51. | |
achieving a current balance by the end of the five-year horizon. The | :09:51. | :09:55. | |
OBR confirmed today that we are on course to achieve that mandate and | :09:55. | :10:00. | |
have eliminated the current deficit by 2016-2017. They also confirm | :10:00. | :10:04. | |
that we are on course to reach our target for debt to be falling as a | :10:04. | :10:07. | |
percentage of national income by the end of the Parliament in 2015- | :10:07. | :10:12. | |
2016. Public sector net debt is set to | :10:12. | :10:22. | |
peek at �76.3%. -- 76.3%. Lower than forecast, before falling the | :10:22. | :10:26. | |
previous year. A balanced structural budge and falling debt, | :10:26. | :10:32. | |
our deficit reduction plan is on course. We will not waiver from it. | :10:32. | :10:38. | |
To do so would risk a sudden loss of confidence and a sharp rise in | :10:38. | :10:42. | |
interest rates and we will not risk that. | :10:42. | :10:45. | |
Instead, we reinforce today our commitment to fiscal responsibility, | :10:45. | :10:49. | |
not just this year, but in the years ahead. | :10:49. | :10:54. | |
The transfer of the �28 billion of assets from the Royal Mail pension | :10:54. | :11:00. | |
fund to the ex-checker will free it from its -- exchequer will free it | :11:00. | :11:05. | |
from its debt, ensure that staff are paid and help bring in new | :11:05. | :11:09. | |
investment. Some would have been tempted to spend the win fall. I do | :11:09. | :11:13. | |
not propose to spend it. I have used it to pay off debt. | :11:14. | :11:20. | |
We will also maintain our control on welfare spending. The pasting of | :11:20. | :11:25. | |
the welfare reform act was an historic moment. I pay tribute to | :11:25. | :11:32. | |
the Work and Pensions Secretary. And to all my coalition colleagues | :11:32. | :11:35. | |
for supporting him against determined opposition, from those | :11:35. | :11:41. | |
who defend unlimited welfare. Even with the act, the welfare budget is | :11:41. | :11:46. | |
set to rise to consume one-third of all public spending. If nothing is | :11:46. | :11:51. | |
done to curb welfare bills, then the full weight of the spending | :11:51. | :11:54. | |
restraint will fall on departmental budgets. The next Spending Review | :11:54. | :12:00. | |
will have to confront this. I am, today, publishing analysis, which | :12:00. | :12:04. | |
shows if in the next Spending Review we have the same reductions | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
in departmental spending as we have in this review, we would need to | :12:08. | :12:14. | |
make saving of �10 billion by 2016. We will address the rising costs of | :12:14. | :12:19. | |
an ageing population and the burden this places on future generations. | :12:19. | :12:22. | |
We will publish a White Paper on social care. | :12:22. | :12:27. | |
I have also said that we would consider proposals to manage future | :12:27. | :12:31. | |
increases in the state pension age beyond the increases already | :12:31. | :12:34. | |
announced. I can confirm today that there will be an automatic review | :12:34. | :12:40. | |
of the state pension age to ensure it keeps pace with increases in | :12:40. | :12:45. | |
long life. Details of how this will operate will be published alongside | :12:45. | :12:51. | |
the OBR's report this summer. One area, Mr Deputy Speaker, where | :12:51. | :12:56. | |
Government spending is expected to be lower than planned is, as the | :12:56. | :13:00. | |
Prime Minister just indicated, Afghanistan. | :13:00. | :13:04. | |
We were reminded again yesterday of the sacrifice so many of our | :13:04. | :13:08. | |
servicemen and women have made. As the Prime Minister made clear with | :13:08. | :13:12. | |
the US President last week, UK forces will stop combat operation | :13:12. | :13:17. | |
by the end of 2014. As a consequence, I can tell the House | :13:17. | :13:22. | |
that the cost of operations, which are funded by the Government's | :13:22. | :13:26. | |
special reserve, an and entirely separate from the defence budget, | :13:26. | :13:30. | |
are expected to �2.4 billion lower than planned over the remainder of | :13:30. | :13:33. | |
the Parliament. Let me be clear today, the full cost of operations | :13:33. | :13:37. | |
will continue to be met from the reserve. Our brave Armed Forces | :13:38. | :13:42. | |
will get the equipment they need to complete the job. | :13:42. | :13:46. | |
I can ensure that some of the benefit of the lower cost is felt | :13:46. | :13:50. | |
by those who fight so hard and give so much for our nation's security. | :13:50. | :13:55. | |
We will fund an extra �100 million of improvements in the | :13:55. | :13:58. | |
accommodation of our Armed Forces and families. | :13:58. | :14:04. | |
I will also double the family's welfare grant, which is used to | :14:04. | :14:08. | |
provide additional support to families behind when people deploy. | :14:08. | :14:12. | |
We have doubled the operational allowance. Today, I am doubling the | :14:12. | :14:16. | |
rate of council tax relief for thousands serving our country in | :14:16. | :14:21. | |
operations over seas, will receive 100% relief on an average council | :14:21. | :14:26. | |
tax bill. Mr Deputy Speaker, our commitment | :14:26. | :14:29. | |
to reduce the deficit is keeping interest rates low. | :14:29. | :14:35. | |
In this Budget, we take measures to ensure the benefits of those low | :14:35. | :14:39. | |
interest rates are felt across the economy. They are benefiting the | :14:39. | :14:42. | |
taxpayer. Thanks to the reduction in the deficit and our low interest | :14:42. | :14:49. | |
rates, this Government is saving a total of �36 billion in debt | :14:49. | :14:59. | |
| :14:59. | :15:00. | ||
This year is the 400th anniversary of the foundation of the modern | :15:00. | :15:04. | |
Treasury. There have been times recently when the Treasury has been | :15:04. | :15:12. | |
borrowing more than at any other time in that long history. This | :15:12. | :15:14. | |
reflects the confidence that reflects the confidence that | :15:14. | :15:18. | |
investors have in Britain's ability to pay its way. I now want to test | :15:18. | :15:21. | |
whether we can extend these benefits further into the future | :15:21. | :15:26. | |
and diversify our portfolio. At present, the longest guilt we | :15:26. | :15:30. | |
currently offered to the market is 50 years. The Debt Management | :15:30. | :15:35. | |
Office will consult on the case for issuing gilts with maturities of | :15:35. | :15:39. | |
longer than 50 years, and the case for a perpetual one, something | :15:39. | :15:44. | |
Britain was last able to do six decades ago. We are also taking the | :15:44. | :15:48. | |
opportunity to rebuild Britain's reserves, which had fallen to | :15:48. | :15:52. | |
historically low levels. I can historically low levels. I can | :15:52. | :15:53. | |
historically low levels. I can confirm, Mr Deputy Speaker, has an | :15:53. | :15:59. | |
gold holdings have risen in value to �11 billion. Sadly, this does | :15:59. | :16:05. | |
not include the 400 or so tons of gold sold a decade ago for �2 | :16:05. | :16:10. | |
billion, which would now be worth six times that, at over 30 in | :16:10. | :16:20. | |
| :16:20. | :16:24. | ||
billion pounds. -- over �13 billion. Mr Speaker, working families are | :16:24. | :16:29. | |
already being helped by historic low mortgage rates. The new buy | :16:29. | :16:33. | |
scheme which we introduced last week uses the Government's balance | :16:33. | :16:37. | |
sheet to help those who cannot afford the larger deposits which | :16:37. | :16:42. | |
some mortgage companies are now demanding. It comes alongside a new, | :16:42. | :16:45. | |
reinvigorated right to buy. To make sure that there are new homes to | :16:45. | :16:49. | |
buy, we are today expanding the building fund which provides | :16:49. | :16:53. | |
upfront finance to construction firms. We are passing on low | :16:53. | :16:56. | |
interest rates to small businesses through the National Loan Guarantee | :16:56. | :17:02. | |
Scheme, which started operation yesterday. Barclays, Lloyds, the | :17:02. | :17:07. | |
RBS, Santander and the new business bank are all involved. �20 billion | :17:07. | :17:10. | |
a guarantees in total will be available. In the Autumn Statement | :17:10. | :17:16. | |
I also allocated �1 billion to invest in funds which lend directly | :17:16. | :17:20. | |
to the businesses which are the backbone of our economy. This is an | :17:20. | :17:24. | |
alternative source of finance to the banks. The response has | :17:24. | :17:29. | |
exceeded our expectations, 24 funds have submitted proposals. I am | :17:29. | :17:32. | |
today short listing seven of them. Such has been the quality of the | :17:32. | :17:36. | |
bids, I have decided to increase the size of the finance partnership | :17:36. | :17:40. | |
to 20%, and I am also today expanding the Enterprise Finance | :17:40. | :17:45. | |
guarantee. Stability, credibility, the low interest rates they bring, | :17:45. | :17:49. | |
and passing those low rates on to families and businesses, these are | :17:49. | :17:53. | |
necessary for growth, but alone they are not efficient. As a nation, | :17:53. | :17:58. | |
we have to make a choice - his country became seduced by large | :17:58. | :18:03. | |
deficits and the illusion of cheap finance. Do we watch as the Brazils | :18:03. | :18:08. | |
and the Chinas and the Indias of this world power ahead of us in the | :18:08. | :18:11. | |
global economy, or do we have the national resolve to say, no, we | :18:12. | :18:16. | |
will not be left behind, we want to be out in front? That is this | :18:16. | :18:23. | |
government's resolve. Under this government, Britain has moved into | :18:23. | :18:26. | |
the top 10 of the most competitive places in the world to do business. | :18:26. | :18:32. | |
But we have to do more. Here's how. First, exports - over the last | :18:32. | :18:38. | |
decade, our share of world exports shrank as Germany's grew. We sold | :18:38. | :18:42. | |
more to Ireland than to Brazil, Russia, India and China put | :18:42. | :18:48. | |
together. That was the road to Britain's economic irrelevance, and | :18:48. | :18:52. | |
we want to double our nation's exports to one trillion pounds this | :18:52. | :18:57. | |
decade. So, we are expanding UK export finance and we are setting | :18:57. | :19:03. | |
up new plans to help firms in new markets. Experts abroad must be | :19:03. | :19:06. | |
accompanied by investment at home. Britain has a reputation as a | :19:06. | :19:10. | |
remarkably open and welcoming place for investment. We must never allow | :19:10. | :19:16. | |
protectionist rhetoric to creep into our political system. Instead, | :19:16. | :19:21. | |
we are actively seeking investment from overseas pension and sovereign | :19:21. | :19:25. | |
wealth funds, and working to develop London as a new offshore | :19:25. | :19:28. | |
market for the Chinese currency. We also want investment from British | :19:28. | :19:32. | |
pension funds and British infrastructure, and we are now | :19:32. | :19:34. | |
working with a dozen of the large pension schemes specifically on | :19:34. | :19:40. | |
that, and we are the first British Government to set out in a national | :19:40. | :19:43. | |
plan the projects we are going to prioritise in the coming decade, | :19:43. | :19:48. | |
the roads, railways, clean energy and water and broadband networks we | :19:48. | :19:55. | |
all need. I also believe this country must confront the lack of | :19:55. | :20:01. | |
airport capacity in the south-east of England, we cannot cut ourselves | :20:01. | :20:06. | |
off from the fastest growing cities in the world, and the Transport | :20:06. | :20:12. | |
Secretary will set out government thinking later this summer. We want | :20:12. | :20:17. | |
to look at the opportunities for increasing the role of private | :20:17. | :20:20. | |
investment in the road network, learning lessons from the water | :20:20. | :20:26. | |
industry. I confirm today that Network Rail will extend the | :20:26. | :20:31. | |
northern hub, adding to the electrification of the TransPennine | :20:31. | :20:34. | |
rail route by upgrading the line between Manchester and Sheffield | :20:34. | :20:44. | |
| :20:44. | :20:47. | ||
and improving the Manchester to Preston and Blackpool lines. For | :20:47. | :20:50. | |
years, transport investment in the north of England was neglected - | :20:50. | :21:00. | |
| :21:00. | :21:01. | ||
not under this government. We are working with our great cities to | :21:01. | :21:04. | |
devolve decision-making powers, and we are striking a ground-breaking | :21:04. | :21:09. | |
deal this week with Manchester, to support �1.2 billion in growth- | :21:09. | :21:14. | |
enhancing infrastructure in that city. We will support �150 million | :21:14. | :21:17. | |
of tax increment financing to help local authorities promote | :21:17. | :21:23. | |
development, and we will provide an extra �270 million to the Catt in | :21:23. | :21:28. | |
Places Fund. In all of this we are working with local areas to support | :21:28. | :21:32. | |
their good ideas for growing the private sector in parts of the | :21:32. | :21:34. | |
country where the state has taken a larger and larger share of the | :21:34. | :21:41. | |
economy. Mr Deputy Speaker, the Mayor of London is also a very | :21:41. | :21:47. | |
effective champion for the city he effective champion for the city he | :21:47. | :21:52. | |
runs so well. We will work with him on plans this summer to go on | :21:52. | :21:57. | |
investing in London Transport, lengthening commuter trains, | :21:57. | :22:01. | |
extending the Underground and exploring new river crossings in | :22:01. | :22:06. | |
east London. So, from the allegation made to the Mayor | :22:06. | :22:11. | |
through the Growing Places Fund, he will be creating a new, �70 million | :22:11. | :22:16. | |
development fund to attract new business and jobs. And the Mayor | :22:16. | :22:20. | |
has persuaded me of the has persuaded me of the | :22:20. | :22:21. | |
has persuaded me of the opportunities the new Royal Docks | :22:21. | :22:25. | |
Enterprise Zone offers a largest city, if we offer enhanced capital | :22:25. | :22:31. | |
allowances there, and so we will. Mr Deputy Speaker, 24 enterprise | :22:31. | :22:38. | |
zones are now going ahead across England. Chinese investment is | :22:38. | :22:41. | |
pouring into the zone in Liverpool, the zone in the West Midlands is | :22:41. | :22:44. | |
already expanding, I want other parts of the United Kingdom to | :22:44. | :22:48. | |
benefit from these policies. The Chief Secretary can confirm today | :22:48. | :22:52. | |
that we will offer enhanced capital allowances for businesses starting | :22:52. | :22:57. | |
up in the new Scottish Enterprise areas in Dundee and other areas, | :22:57. | :23:01. | |
and there will be a new Welsh enterprise zone in Deeside, while | :23:01. | :23:04. | |
we look forward to the first enterprise zone in Northern Ireland. | :23:04. | :23:09. | |
I also want to see investment in our world leading energy sector, | :23:09. | :23:13. | |
including renewables. We have launched the green investment bank, | :23:13. | :23:19. | |
open for business next month, we have introduced the carbon pricing | :23:19. | :23:24. | |
forum to our tax system, and we set the rate today. Combined heat and | :23:24. | :23:28. | |
power plants will not be liable to come and price support rates, | :23:28. | :23:30. | |
renewable energy will play a crucial part in Britain's energy | :23:30. | :23:35. | |
mix, but I will always be alert to the costs we're asking families and | :23:35. | :23:39. | |
businesses to bear. Environmentally sustainable has to be fiscally | :23:39. | :23:46. | |
sustainable as well. The carbon reduction commitment was | :23:46. | :23:49. | |
established by the previous government. It is cumbersome, | :23:49. | :23:52. | |
bureaucratic and imposes unnecessary costs on business, so | :23:52. | :23:56. | |
we will seek major savings in the administrative cost of this | :23:56. | :23:59. | |
commitment to business, and if those cannot be found, I will bring | :23:59. | :24:03. | |
forward proposals this autumn to replace the revenues with an | :24:03. | :24:09. | |
alternative environmental tax. Gas is cheaper and has much less carbon | :24:09. | :24:13. | |
than coal, and will be the largest single source of electricity in the | :24:13. | :24:17. | |
coming years. My Right Honourable Friend the Energy Secretary will | :24:17. | :24:20. | |
set out our new cash generation strategy in the autumn. I also want | :24:21. | :24:25. | |
to make sure we extract the greatest possible amount of oil and | :24:25. | :24:28. | |
gas from our reserves in the North Sea. We are today introducing a | :24:28. | :24:33. | |
major package of tax changes to achieve this. We will end the | :24:33. | :24:36. | |
uncertainty over decommissioning tax relief, which has hung over the | :24:36. | :24:40. | |
industry for years, by entering into a contractual approach, and we | :24:40. | :24:47. | |
are also introducing new allowances, including a �3 billion new field | :24:47. | :24:51. | |
allowance for large and deep fields to open up west of Shetland, the | :24:51. | :24:55. | |
last area of the basin which is left to be developed, which will be | :24:55. | :25:05. | |
| :25:05. | :25:08. | ||
a huge boost for investment in the Now, Mr Deputy Speaker, we should | :25:08. | :25:12. | |
not be shy about identifying our successful industries and | :25:12. | :25:18. | |
reinforcing them. Around one fifth of the world's top 100 medicines | :25:18. | :25:23. | |
originate from UK research, so we are backing our Life Sciences | :25:23. | :25:26. | |
sector through creating the Institute in St Pancras and cutting | :25:26. | :25:30. | |
taxes to make is one of the most attractive places in the world to | :25:30. | :25:34. | |
invent new medicines. We have protected the science budget, and | :25:34. | :25:37. | |
now, we are committing �100 million worth of support alongside the | :25:37. | :25:40. | |
private sector for investment in major new university research | :25:40. | :25:45. | |
facilities. We are the world's second largest aerospace industry, | :25:45. | :25:49. | |
and we are establishing a centre for aerodynamics to open next year, | :25:49. | :25:53. | |
which will encourage innovation in aircraft design and the | :25:53. | :26:00. | |
commercialisation of new ideas. We are determined to turn Britain into | :26:00. | :26:04. | |
Europe's technology sector. We will start with digital content. The | :26:04. | :26:08. | |
film tax credit helps generate more than �1 billion of film production | :26:08. | :26:12. | |
investment in the UK per year. Today I am announcing our intention | :26:12. | :26:17. | |
to introduce similar schemes for the video games, animation and high | :26:17. | :26:23. | |
end TV production industries. Not only will this help stop premium | :26:23. | :26:28. | |
British TV programmes being made abroad, it will also attract top | :26:28. | :26:31. | |
international investors like Disney to make more of their premium shows | :26:31. | :26:35. | |
in the UK. It will support our brilliant video-games and animation | :26:35. | :26:42. | |
industry's, too. Mr Deputy Speaker, it is the determined policy of this | :26:42. | :26:52. | |
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government that we keep Wallace & Order! I would have thought that | :27:02. | :27:04. | |
the government side would want to hear more from the Chancellor. | :27:05. | :27:14. | |
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Mr Dabic is bigger, to be Europe's Technology Centre, we also need to | :27:17. | :27:19. | |
have the best technology infrastructure. Two years ago, | :27:19. | :27:24. | |
Britain had some of the slowest broadband speeds in Europe. Today, | :27:24. | :27:28. | |
our plans will deliver some of the fastest, with 90% of the population | :27:28. | :27:35. | |
having access to super-fast broadband. But we should not be | :27:35. | :27:40. | |
complacent by saying it is enough to be the best in Europe, when | :27:40. | :27:44. | |
countries like Singapore do even better. Today we're funding ultra- | :27:44. | :27:54. | |
| :27:54. | :28:00. | ||
fast broadband and wi-fi in 10 of the UK's largest cities. My | :28:00. | :28:06. | |
Honourable Friend for Brighton asked me to help small cities, too, | :28:06. | :28:15. | |
no doubt with his own city in mind, and we are doing that as well. With | :28:15. | :28:19. | |
the most connected countryside in Europe, the most digital content, | :28:19. | :28:25. | |
that is what a modern industrial policy looks like. The business | :28:25. | :28:29. | |
secretary and I have asked Michael Heseltine to review by the autumn | :28:29. | :28:32. | |
how government spending departments and other public bodies can work | :28:32. | :28:38. | |
better with the private sector on economic development. From | :28:38. | :28:41. | |
Liverpool to Canary Wharf, Michael knows how it is done. And of course, | :28:41. | :28:49. | |
these projects succeeded because they were not killed off by the | :28:49. | :28:53. | |
planning system. You cannot earn your future if you cannot get | :28:53. | :28:58. | |
planning permission. Global businesses have diverted specific | :28:58. | :29:03. | |
investments which would have created hundreds of jobs in some of | :29:03. | :29:06. | |
the most deprived communities in Britain to countries like Germany | :29:06. | :29:10. | |
and the Netherlands because they cannot get planning permission here. | :29:10. | :29:15. | |
That is unacceptable. Next week, my Right Honourable Friends the | :29:15. | :29:17. | |
Communities Secretary and the planning minister will publish the | :29:17. | :29:22. | |
results of our overhaul of planning regulation. We are replacing 1,000 | :29:22. | :29:26. | |
pages of guidance with just 50 pages, introducing a presumption in | :29:26. | :29:30. | |
favour of sustainable development, while protecting our most precious | :29:30. | :29:38. | |
environment,. The new policy comes into effect when the national | :29:38. | :29:42. | |
policy framework is published next Tuesday. This is the biggest | :29:42. | :29:46. | |
reduction in business red tape ever undertaken. As a country, we also | :29:46. | :29:51. | |
want to make the most of the Olympic and Paralympic Games. Some | :29:51. | :29:55. | |
of the biggest events will be on a Sunday. And when millions of | :29:55. | :29:59. | |
visitors come to Britain to see them, we do not want to hang up a | :29:59. | :30:04. | |
closed for business sign, so we will be introducing limited | :30:04. | :30:13. | |
legislation to relax the Sunday Earning our way in the world means | :30:13. | :30:18. | |
giving young people the skills to compete and in time, my honourable | :30:18. | :30:21. | |
friend the school reforms will do more to improve the long-term | :30:21. | :30:26. | |
economic performance of our country than any Budget measure ever will. | :30:26. | :30:29. | |
But we've got to help the young adults who have already been let | :30:29. | :30:33. | |
down by the school system. We are offering a record number of | :30:33. | :30:36. | |
apprenticeships and our Youth Contract comes into force next | :30:36. | :30:41. | |
month. I can tell the House, we are also exploring the idea of | :30:41. | :30:44. | |
enterprise loans, young people get a loan to go to university or | :30:44. | :30:47. | |
college, now we want to help them get a loan to start their own | :30:47. | :30:53. | |
business. We're also looking to see whether | :30:53. | :30:58. | |
we can make public sector pay more responsive to local pay rates. It | :30:58. | :31:04. | |
is something as we have just heard, the last Government introduced into | :31:04. | :31:13. | |
the court service, London Weighting exists aloss the public sector. The | :31:13. | :31:17. | |
Opposition have opposed the idea of regional benefit rates, so we shall | :31:17. | :31:21. | |
what we can do to make our public services more responsive and help | :31:21. | :31:25. | |
our private sector to grow and create jobs in all parts of the | :31:26. | :31:28. | |
country. We have asked the independent pay review bodies to | :31:28. | :31:32. | |
look at this issue. Today we are publishing the evidence of the | :31:32. | :31:35. | |
treasury that are submitting to them and some departments will have | :31:35. | :31:44. | |
the option to moving to more local pay. Mr Deputy Speaker, new | :31:44. | :31:47. | |
infrastructure and investment ambitious reforms on planning, | :31:47. | :31:52. | |
education and welfare to help businesses to create jobs. These | :31:52. | :31:55. | |
will all help Britain earn its way in the Worle, but we need a tax | :31:55. | :32:01. | |
system that supports work. 200 years ago, Adam Smith set out the | :32:01. | :32:05. | |
four principles of good taxation and they remain good principles | :32:05. | :32:09. | |
today. Taxes should be simple, predictable, support work, and they | :32:09. | :32:15. | |
should be fair. The rich should pay pay the most and the poor the least. | :32:15. | :32:19. | |
The tax system this Government inherited from its predecessor has | :32:19. | :32:25. | |
drifted far from these principles. We've already addressed some of the | :32:25. | :32:33. | |
problems. We have established an office of tax simp simplification, | :32:33. | :32:36. | |
companies are moving to Britain, not away. We have stopped the jobs | :32:36. | :32:44. | |
tax. We have taken one million low paid people out of tax altogether. | :32:44. | :32:48. | |
Now we need further reform. Reneed to give Britain a modern tax system | :32:48. | :32:53. | |
fit for the modern world. The first goal is a far simpler tax system | :32:53. | :32:57. | |
which businesses can easily navigate and where ordinary | :32:57. | :33:01. | |
taxpayers understand what they are being asked to pay. So we will | :33:01. | :33:03. | |
radicalically change the administration of tax for our | :33:03. | :33:08. | |
smallest firms. Last year I asked the Office of Tax Simplification | :33:08. | :33:11. | |
for recommendations. They have propose that had we tax small firms | :33:11. | :33:13. | |
on the basis of the cash that passes through their businesses | :33:13. | :33:17. | |
rather than asking them to spend a huge amount of time doing | :33:17. | :33:20. | |
calculations designed for big businesses. I agree. So we will | :33:20. | :33:25. | |
consult on this new cash basis for calculating tax for firms with a | :33:25. | :33:29. | |
turnover of up to �77,000, double what actually the office proposed. | :33:30. | :33:35. | |
This will make filling in tax returns simpler for up to three | :33:35. | :33:39. | |
million firms. Remember also pressing forward with our ambition | :33:39. | :33:42. | |
to integrate the operation of income tax and national insurance I | :33:43. | :33:49. | |
announced at last year's Budget so we don't ask businesses to run two | :33:49. | :33:52. | |
different payroll tax administrations, a consultation on | :33:52. | :33:55. | |
how we do this is being published next month. We will address the | :33:55. | :34:01. | |
loopholes and anomalies in our VAT system, for example, at present | :34:01. | :34:04. | |
soft drinks and sports drinks are charged VAT. Sports nutrition | :34:04. | :34:13. | |
drinks are not. Hot take ski away food has been charged VAT, but some | :34:13. | :34:20. | |
new hot products in supermarkets are not. | :34:20. | :34:28. | |
We are publishing our plans today to remove loopholes and anomalies, | :34:28. | :34:31. | |
but we keep the exceptions on children's clothes, printed books | :34:31. | :34:39. | |
and newspapers. We should simplify the age related allowances which | :34:39. | :34:42. | |
the office of tax tax simplification highlighted as a fe | :34:42. | :34:46. | |
fewer of the tax system. Many Pensioners don't understand them. | :34:46. | :34:50. | |
These allowances require 150,000 pensioners to fill in self | :34:50. | :34:54. | |
assessment forms. As we have real increases in the personal allowance, | :34:54. | :35:04. | |
| :35:04. | :35:08. | ||
their value is beinger being eroded away. We will do away with the age | :35:08. | :35:14. | |
related allowance. I will freeze the cash value of the allowance for | :35:14. | :35:18. | |
existing pensioners. This will protect the existing level of | :35:18. | :35:21. | |
allowance pensioners have while introducing a new single personal | :35:21. | :35:25. | |
allowance for all. It is a major major simplification, it saves | :35:25. | :35:30. | |
money and no pensioner will lose in cash terms. Under this Government, | :35:30. | :35:34. | |
pensioners next month will receive the largest ever cash increase in | :35:34. | :35:42. | |
the basic State pension of �5.30 a week. Now we want to simplify the | :35:42. | :35:45. | |
basic State pension and its interaction with the second State | :35:45. | :35:49. | |
pension. I pay tribute to the work my honourable friend the Pensions | :35:49. | :35:55. | |
Minister has done on this. Such is the complexity of this means-tested | :35:55. | :35:58. | |
system, only someone like our Pensions Minister can work out what | :35:58. | :36:04. | |
someone is entitled to and what they need to save. So I can confirm | :36:04. | :36:08. | |
that we will introduce a new single tier pension for future pensioners | :36:08. | :36:14. | |
set above the means-test. This is currently estimated at �140, it | :36:14. | :36:18. | |
will be based on contributions and it will cost no more than the | :36:18. | :36:21. | |
current system in any year. We will bring forward further details later | :36:21. | :36:25. | |
this spring. A single generous basic State pension for those who | :36:25. | :36:31. | |
have worked hard and saved hard all their lives and a further major | :36:31. | :36:36. | |
simplification of our tax and benefit system. Mr Deputy Speaker | :36:36. | :36:40. | |
in the information age, people should know what taxes they are | :36:40. | :36:45. | |
paying and what their money is being spent on. Now my honourable | :36:45. | :36:51. | |
friend, the member for Ipswich, recently proposed to this House | :36:52. | :36:55. | |
that we sent to taxpayers an annual statement showing them just that. I | :36:55. | :37:02. | |
think this is an excellent idea and I intend to put it into practise. | :37:02. | :37:07. | |
HMRC contacts roughly half of taxpayers each year from 2014, | :37:08. | :37:11. | |
these 20 million taxpayers will at the same time receive a new | :37:11. | :37:16. | |
personal tax statement. This will tell people how much income tax and | :37:16. | :37:20. | |
national insurance they have paid. Their average tax rates. How this | :37:20. | :37:24. | |
contributes to public spending. In other words, how much | :37:24. | :37:27. | |
proportionally of their tax bill goes to fund the healthcare, | :37:27. | :37:32. | |
education, or welfare bills and how much is spend on servicing interest | :37:32. | :37:35. | |
payments on the national debt. People will know what they are | :37:35. | :37:42. | |
paying and what they are paying it for. A tax system that is simple | :37:42. | :37:48. | |
and transparent. Now, Mr Deputy Speaker, that is our tirst goal -- | :37:48. | :37:51. | |
first goal. Our second goal is a tax system that is more competitive | :37:51. | :37:56. | |
for business than any other major economy in the world. Our | :37:56. | :38:02. | |
predecessors wanted to increase taxes on small businesses. Instead, | :38:02. | :38:09. | |
we've cut the tax rate on small companies to 20%. Our predecessors | :38:09. | :38:14. | |
wanted to increase national insurance on jobs and we've cut it. | :38:14. | :38:19. | |
Our new control foreign company rules will be legislated for in the | :38:19. | :38:22. | |
coming Finance Bill and will stop global firms leaving Britain and | :38:22. | :38:26. | |
encourage them to start coming here. This Government also supports | :38:26. | :38:30. | |
research and development here in Britain instead of abroad. We have | :38:30. | :38:34. | |
increased the generosity of the tax credit for smaller firms. I confirm | :38:34. | :38:41. | |
from next year, we will introduce an above the line R & D tax credit | :38:41. | :38:44. | |
that business organisations have campaigned hard for. And we will | :38:44. | :38:48. | |
help new start-up businesses recruit and retain talent by more | :38:48. | :38:53. | |
than doubling the enterprise management incentive grant limit to | :38:53. | :38:56. | |
�250,000 and easing the rules so that academics in our universities | :38:57. | :39:02. | |
can turn great ideas into great companies. The Treasury will review | :39:02. | :39:06. | |
for this autumn what more we can do to encourage employee ownership. | :39:06. | :39:10. | |
All of these tax reductions will help win business for Britain. But | :39:10. | :39:14. | |
the headline rate of corporation tax remains the most visible sign | :39:14. | :39:20. | |
of how competitive our country is. We've already cut the rate from 28% | :39:20. | :39:25. | |
to 26%. This April, it is due to fall again to 25%. I can tell the | :39:25. | :39:29. | |
House today, that we will have a further cut of 1% to be implemented | :39:29. | :39:33. | |
right away. From next month, Britain Britain will have a | :39:33. | :39:42. | |
corporation tax rate of just 24%. And we will continue with the two | :39:42. | :39:46. | |
further cuts planned next year and the year after so that by 2014 | :39:46. | :39:52. | |
Britain will have a 22% rate of corporation tax. This is the | :39:52. | :39:56. | |
biggest sustained reduction in business tax rates for a generation. | :39:56. | :40:02. | |
A headline rate that is not just lower than our tors, but -- | :40:02. | :40:07. | |
competitors, but 18% lower than the US, 16% lower than Japan, 12% be | :40:07. | :40:11. | |
below France and 8% be employee Germany, an advertisement for jobs | :40:12. | :40:18. | |
and investment in Britain. And it is a rate that puts our | :40:18. | :40:22. | |
country within sight of a 20% rate of business tax that would align | :40:22. | :40:27. | |
basic rate income tax to, the small companies rate and the corporation | :40:27. | :40:36. | |
tax rate. I'm also increasing the rate the bank levy to 0.105% from | :40:36. | :40:41. | |
next January so that the additional corporation tax cuts do not benefit | :40:41. | :40:51. | |
the banks. And so our levy will in addition | :40:51. | :40:57. | |
raise the �2.5 billion a year that we said that it would. That brings | :40:57. | :41:07. | |
me to the main duties. Let me start with alcohol duty duty. The | :41:07. | :41:11. | |
Government will be publishing its alcohol strategy to address the | :41:11. | :41:15. | |
growing problem of alcohol abuse and the many billions of pounds it | :41:15. | :41:20. | |
costs our NHS and the Criminal Justice System, but today I have no | :41:20. | :41:26. | |
further changes to make to the duty rates set out by my predecessor. | :41:26. | :41:30. | |
Turning to tobacco duty. Smoking remains the biggest cause of | :41:30. | :41:33. | |
preventable illness and premature death in the UK. There is clear | :41:33. | :41:38. | |
evidence that increasing the cost of tobacco encourages smokers to | :41:38. | :41:44. | |
quit and discourages young people from taking it up. So duty on all | :41:44. | :41:49. | |
tobacco products will rise by 5% above inflation, that's 37 pence on | :41:50. | :41:56. | |
a packet of cigarettes and and this will take effect at 6pm tonight. | :41:56. | :42:06. | |
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One area where I am today making substantial changes is gambling | :42:07. | :42:14. | |
duties. The VAT treatment of gaming machines is being challenged by | :42:14. | :42:19. | |
operators in the courts. So I will introduce a new machine games duty | :42:19. | :42:23. | |
with a standard rate of 20% and a lower rate for low stakes and prize | :42:23. | :42:29. | |
machines of 5% of net takings. The current duty regime for remote | :42:29. | :42:32. | |
gambling introduced by the last Government was levied on a place of | :42:32. | :42:36. | |
supply basis. This allowed overseas operators to avoid it and much of | :42:36. | :42:42. | |
the industry has as a result moved off shore. 90% of online gambling | :42:42. | :42:45. | |
consumed by our citizens is supplied from outside the UK and | :42:45. | :42:48. | |
the remaining UK operations are under pressure to leave. This is | :42:48. | :42:53. | |
clearly not fair and not a sensible way to support jobs in Britain. So | :42:53. | :42:59. | |
we intend to introduce a tax regime based on the placed of consumption | :42:59. | :43:03. | |
and from this April, we will introduce double taxation relief | :43:04. | :43:07. | |
for remote gambling. These changes will create a more level playing | :43:07. | :43:13. | |
field and protect jobs here. I turn now to fuel and vehicle excise | :43:13. | :43:17. | |
duties. High oil prices have put real pressure on household | :43:17. | :43:20. | |
household bugs and on businesses, that is -- budgets and on | :43:20. | :43:24. | |
businesses, that is why we took action to cut fuel duty so it is | :43:24. | :43:29. | |
sixpence lower than our predecessors planned. We have also | :43:29. | :43:33. | |
scrapped the last Government's fuel duty escalator of annual above | :43:33. | :43:38. | |
inflation rises regardless of the oil price and I am confirming the | :43:38. | :43:42. | |
fair fuel stabiliser, above inflation rises will only return if | :43:42. | :43:50. | |
the oil price returns to below �45. This Government has eased the | :43:50. | :43:56. | |
burden on motorists by �4.5 billion at a time when money is very short. | :43:56. | :44:00. | |
I do not propose to make any further further changes to the fuel | :44:00. | :44:06. | |
duty plans already set out. I am increasing vex highly excise duty | :44:06. | :44:15. | |
by inflation only to encourage fuel fuel efficiency, we will extend the | :44:15. | :44:25. | |
| :44:25. | :44:27. | ||
low emission allowance for cars. I can also announce that I am again | :44:27. | :44:33. | |
freezing Vehicle Excise Duty for road hauliers. I now turn to | :44:33. | :44:38. | |
personal and property taxation. My goal is a tax system where the | :44:38. | :44:45. | |
lowest paid are lifted out of tax altogether while the tax revenues | :44:45. | :44:52. | |
we get from the richest increase. Now, most wealthy people pay their | :44:52. | :44:56. | |
taxes and without without them we could not begin to afford the | :44:56. | :45:00. | |
public services upon which this country depends. But under the last | :45:00. | :45:06. | |
Government, it was the boast of some high earners with the help of | :45:06. | :45:09. | |
accountants, they were paying less in tax than their cleaners. I | :45:09. | :45:16. | |
regard tax evasion and aggressive tax avoidance as morally repugnant. | :45:16. | :45:22. | |
We have increased both the resources and the number of staff | :45:22. | :45:28. | |
working on evasion and avoidance at HMRC. Taken together, the anti- | :45:28. | :45:31. | |
avoidance measures in this year's financial Bill will increase tax | :45:31. | :45:35. | |
revenue over the next five years by �1 billion and protect �10 billion | :45:35. | :45:39. | |
that could have been lost. This week, we have signed a further | :45:39. | :45:44. | |
agreement with the Swiss to stop UK residents from evading tax. We have | :45:44. | :45:54. | |
| :45:54. | :46:00. | ||
done all these things, but today we I ask whether a general avoid rule | :46:00. | :46:05. | |
could work in the UK tax system. It was recommended such a rule would | :46:05. | :46:08. | |
improve our ability to tackle tax avoidance, without damaging the | :46:08. | :46:13. | |
competitiveness of the UK as a place to do business. We agree. So | :46:13. | :46:17. | |
we will introduce one. We will consult on the details of the new | :46:17. | :46:20. | |
rule and legislate for it in next year's Finance Bill. | :46:20. | :46:28. | |
A major source, and one which annoys many citizens is the way | :46:28. | :46:32. | |
that some people avoid the stamp duty that the rest of the | :46:32. | :46:36. | |
population pays, including by using companies to buy expensive | :46:36. | :46:39. | |
residential property. I have given plenty of public warnings that this | :46:39. | :46:45. | |
abuse should stop. Now we are taking action. | :46:45. | :46:49. | |
I am increasing the stamp duty land tax charge applied to residential | :46:49. | :46:55. | |
properties over �2 million, bought into a corporate envelope. The | :46:55. | :47:00. | |
charge will be 15% and it will take effect today. | :47:00. | :47:06. | |
We will also consult on the introduction of a large annual | :47:06. | :47:11. | |
charge on those �2 million residential properties, which are | :47:11. | :47:16. | |
already contained in corporate envelopes and to ensure the wealthy | :47:16. | :47:21. | |
non-residents are also caught by these changes, we will be | :47:21. | :47:24. | |
introduced capital gains tax on residential property held in | :47:25. | :47:29. | |
overseas envelopes. We are also announcing legislation today to | :47:29. | :47:34. | |
close down the sub-sales relief rules as a route of avoidance. Let | :47:34. | :47:38. | |
me make this absolutely clear to people. If you buy a property in | :47:38. | :47:41. | |
Britain that is used for residential purposes, then we will | :47:41. | :47:44. | |
expect stamp duty to be paid. This is the clear intention of | :47:44. | :47:49. | |
Parliament. I will not hesitate to move swiftly, | :47:49. | :47:56. | |
without notice and retrospectively, if inappropriate ways around these | :47:56. | :48:01. | |
laws are found. People have been warned! Mr Deputy Speaker, it is | :48:01. | :48:07. | |
fair when money is tight and so many families could do with help, | :48:07. | :48:10. | |
that those buying the most expensive homes contribute more. | :48:10. | :48:17. | |
From mid-night tonight we will introduce a new stamp duty rate of | :48:17. | :48:21. | |
7% on properties worth more than �2 million. | :48:21. | :48:30. | |
I also spwen -- intend to deal with income tax reliefs. Let be clear. | :48:30. | :48:36. | |
Most rich people pay a lot of tax. It is also right that we have tax | :48:36. | :48:41. | |
release that promotes investment, supports charitable giving. It | :48:41. | :48:46. | |
cannot be right that some people make unlimited use of this year | :48:46. | :48:49. | |
after year. Everyone in this country and particularly those with | :48:49. | :48:53. | |
the highest incomes should contribute a fair share to the ex- | :48:53. | :49:02. | |
checker. Some reliefs like the pensions relief is capped. I don't | :49:02. | :49:05. | |
intend to make any change to pension relief in this Budget. To | :49:05. | :49:10. | |
make sure those on the highest income contribute a fair share, I | :49:10. | :49:16. | |
am introduced a new cap on the reliefs which are not capped. | :49:16. | :49:20. | |
Anyone seeking to claim �50,000 of these reliefs in one year, will | :49:20. | :49:25. | |
have a cap set at 25% of their incomes, with capped benefits. Now | :49:25. | :49:32. | |
it is right to cap tax reliefs too. Mr Deputy Speaker, that brings me | :49:32. | :49:42. | |
| :49:42. | :49:43. | ||
to the rates of income tax and the additional rate of 50p. | :49:43. | :49:46. | |
This tax rate is the highest in the G20. | :49:46. | :49:52. | |
It is higher, not than the tax rate of America, but also of major | :49:52. | :49:55. | |
European countries like France, Italy and Germany. It is widely | :49:56. | :50:00. | |
acknowledged by business organisations, and international | :50:00. | :50:02. | |
observers as harming the British economy. Like the previous | :50:02. | :50:06. | |
Chancellor who introduced it, I have always said it is temporary, | :50:07. | :50:11. | |
but I also said, three years ago, that I would not be prepared to | :50:11. | :50:14. | |
reduce it while we were asking the public sector to accept a pay | :50:14. | :50:18. | |
freeze. I will stick to those pledges. A 50p tax rate, with all | :50:18. | :50:23. | |
the damage it does to Britain's competitiveness can only be | :50:23. | :50:27. | |
justified if it raises significant sums of money. In last year's | :50:27. | :50:32. | |
Budget, I asked Her Majesty's revenue and customs to look at the | :50:32. | :50:37. | |
evidence and to look at the self- assessment tax receipts which have | :50:37. | :50:40. | |
come in since this January. I am publishing the report today. What | :50:40. | :50:47. | |
it reveals is that the 50p tax rate has caused massive distortions. | :50:47. | :50:52. | |
HMRC found an astonishing �16 billion of income was deliberately | :50:52. | :50:57. | |
shifted into the previous tax year, at a cost to the taxpayer of �1 | :50:57. | :51:02. | |
billion. Something that the previous Government's figures made | :51:02. | :51:08. | |
no allowance for whatsoever. Self- assessment receipts this year are | :51:08. | :51:15. | |
below forecast by some 3.6 billion. Other tax receipts have held up. | :51:15. | :51:20. | |
The increase from 40p to 50p raised just one-third of the �3 billion we | :51:20. | :51:27. | |
were told it would raise. Of course, Mr Deputy Speaker, the previous | :51:27. | :51:31. | |
Government initially proposed a rate of 45p, then increased that to | :51:31. | :51:41. | |
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50p. Let me tell the House what Her Majesty's revenues and customs say, | :51:43. | :51:50. | |
their figures.... I am coming on the OBR, don't you worry! | :51:50. | :51:55. | |
Their figures tell the story - the direct cost is only �100 million a | :51:55. | :52:01. | |
year. Indeed HMRC calculate the loss of other tax revenues may even | :52:01. | :52:05. | |
cancel that out. In other words, it raises, at most, a fraction of what | :52:05. | :52:08. | |
we were told, and may raise nothing at all. | :52:08. | :52:15. | |
So, from April next year, the top rate of tax will be 45p. | :52:15. | :52:25. | |
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No Chancellor can justify a tax rate.... THE SPEAKER: Order! | :52:25. | :52:30. | |
We are nearly coming to the end. I want the same respect to be given | :52:30. | :52:36. | |
to the Leader of the Opposition. So, please, Chancellor of the Exchequer. | :52:36. | :52:41. | |
Mr Deputy Speaker, no Chancellor can justify a tax rate that damages | :52:41. | :52:47. | |
our economy and raises next to nothing. It is as simple as that. | :52:47. | :52:51. | |
And thanks to the other new taxes on the rich, I have announced today, | :52:51. | :52:56. | |
we will get five times more money, each and every year from the | :52:56. | :53:03. | |
wealthiest in our society. SPEAKER: Order! You are getting | :53:03. | :53:08. | |
very excited at the back. I assume you want to calm down. It's not | :53:08. | :53:11. | |
good for your health! Chancellor of the Exchequer? | :53:11. | :53:16. | |
So the richest pay more, the economy benefits, Britain is | :53:16. | :53:19. | |
competitive again. Now, the Shadow Chancellor, and quite a few members | :53:19. | :53:24. | |
opposite, have said that the HMRC report is not enough and that the | :53:25. | :53:26. | |
Office for Budget Responsibility should pass judgment. | :53:26. | :53:34. | |
They have. These days, the direct costing the | :53:34. | :53:37. | |
Treasury applies to every budget measure is assessed and certified | :53:37. | :53:42. | |
by the OBR. Unlike the previous Government, they also assess the | :53:42. | :53:46. | |
cash flow consequences of forestalling. When it comes to the | :53:46. | :53:51. | |
�100 million direct costs of this measure tOBR say this - "we believe | :53:51. | :53:55. | |
this is a reasonable and central estimate." | :53:55. | :54:00. | |
And they also assess, as reasonable, the estimate that the new taxes I | :54:00. | :54:06. | |
have introduced on the rich today directly raise five times that | :54:06. | :54:14. | |
amount and is half a billion pounds we can now use to help people on | :54:14. | :54:19. | |
lower and middle incomes keep more of their earnings. | :54:19. | :54:23. | |
Mr Deputy Speaker, in the Spending Review we took the difficult | :54:23. | :54:28. | |
decision to remove child benefit from families with a higher rate | :54:28. | :54:34. | |
taxpayer. I said then that I simply could not justify those asking | :54:34. | :54:41. | |
�15,000-�30,000 a year to go on paying child benefit to those | :54:41. | :54:47. | |
earning �78,000-�100,000. All -- �80,000-�100,000. All sections must | :54:47. | :54:50. | |
deal with the deficit. Without this measure we could not get the job | :54:50. | :54:54. | |
done. I said it wanted to do it in a way that is fair and does not | :54:54. | :54:58. | |
involve setting up a new means- tested credit system for millions | :54:58. | :55:02. | |
of families. I said I would set out how this measure would be | :55:02. | :55:06. | |
implemented in this Budget. We want to avoid a cliff edge that means | :55:06. | :55:10. | |
people lose all their child benefit when they earn just a pound one. So | :55:10. | :55:15. | |
I can today confirm that instead of withdrawing child benefit all at | :55:15. | :55:20. | |
once when people earn the high-rate threshold. It will only be | :55:20. | :55:24. | |
withdrawn when someone in the household has an income of more | :55:24. | :55:31. | |
than �50,000. The withdraw will be gradual. 1% for every �100 earned | :55:31. | :55:35. | |
over �50,000. So there is no cliff edge. Only those with an income of | :55:35. | :55:40. | |
more than �60,000 lose all of their benefits. | :55:40. | :55:50. | |
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This means an 750,000 families will keep their benefit. 90% of all | :55:51. | :55:56. | |
families will remain eligible for child benefit. Now we can afford to | :55:56. | :56:00. | |
implement the child benefit policy in this way because of instead of | :56:00. | :56:05. | |
expanding the full benefit of the personal allowance to all high-rate | :56:05. | :56:11. | |
taxpayers as last year, we will pass on a quarter to high rate | :56:11. | :56:16. | |
taxpayers spend the ress on helping families with the higher of the | :56:16. | :56:19. | |
bottom rate band. Mr Deputy Speaker, that brings me on to the personal | :56:19. | :56:23. | |
allowance and the central goal of this Budget, which is to support | :56:23. | :56:29. | |
working families. This coalition Government believes | :56:29. | :56:33. | |
that the best way to support working people on the lowest | :56:33. | :56:36. | |
incomes is to take them out of tax all together. | :56:36. | :56:41. | |
And the best way of getting money directly into the pockets of | :56:41. | :56:44. | |
working families on middle incomes is to increase the amount of their | :56:44. | :56:48. | |
earnings they can keep before they pay tax. That is why this | :56:48. | :56:52. | |
Government has set itself the goal of raising the personal tax-free | :56:52. | :56:56. | |
allowance to �10,000. We promise real increases every | :56:56. | :57:02. | |
year to reach that. In my last two Budgets we have made | :57:02. | :57:07. | |
great strides forward. Last year the personal allowance rose by | :57:07. | :57:14. | |
�1,000. In two weeks it will go up to �8,105 together these increases | :57:14. | :57:18. | |
have taken over one million low- paid people out of tax all together. | :57:18. | :57:24. | |
Today, Mr Deputy Speaker, I want to go much further and much faster. | :57:24. | :57:28. | |
I am announcing the largest ever increase in the personal allowance. | :57:28. | :57:32. | |
That is the amount that people can earn tax free, from next April that | :57:32. | :57:38. | |
amount will increase by �1,100. Every working person on low or | :57:38. | :57:43. | |
middle incomes will benefit. People will be able to earn up to �9,205 | :57:43. | :57:53. | |
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before they have to pay any tax. Millions.... Mr Deputy Speaker, | :57:57. | :58:05. | |
millions of working people will be �220 better off every year. That is | :58:05. | :58:11. | |
�170 better off after inflation, because higher rate earners will | :58:11. | :58:15. | |
also benefit. 24 million people earning less than �100,000 a year | :58:15. | :58:20. | |
will gain from this measure. We are in touching distance of the goal of | :58:20. | :58:24. | |
a �10,000 personal allowance that we all share. | :58:24. | :58:29. | |
I can tell the country, that as a result of our Budget, people | :58:29. | :58:32. | |
working full-time on the minimum wage will have seen their income | :58:32. | :58:36. | |
tax bill cut in half. This coalition Government will have | :58:36. | :58:40. | |
taken two million people, two million of the lowest paid people | :58:40. | :58:48. | |
in our country, out of tax all together. | :58:48. | :58:54. | |
Mr Deputy Speaker n the middle of this Parliament, in difficult | :58:54. | :58:59. | |
economic times, this coalition Government has not settled for a | :58:59. | :59:03. | |
no-nothing Budget. We have not ducked the difficult choices. We | :59:03. | :59:07. | |
have taken them head-on. A competitive top rate of tax. More | :59:07. | :59:13. | |
revenues from those best able to pay. Fewer reliefs. A tax cut for | :59:13. | :59:18. | |
working people. Low income earners, taken out of tax all together. | :59:18. | :59:22. | |
Alongside it, one of the lowest rates of business tax in the world. | :59:22. | :59:26. | |
A simpler tax code and a country, where its citizens know the taxes | :59:26. | :59:30. | |
they are paying and what they are paying it for. We have achieved all | :59:30. | :59:36. | |
this and kept to our deficit plan. Let us be resolved, no people will | :59:36. | :59:39. | |
strive as the British will strive, no country will adapt as the | :59:39. | :59:46. | |
British will adapt. No country will value those who work as we will | :59:46. | :59:49. | |
value those who work. Together the British people will share in the | :59:49. | :59:54. | |
effort and share the rewards. This country borrowed its way into | :59:54. | :59:59. | |
trouble, now we're going to earn our way out. And I commend the | :59:59. | :00:09. | |
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George Osborne, congratulated by David Cameron. He has delivered a | :00:11. | :00:14. | |
Budget which is radical in many ways. There are some far-reaching | :00:14. | :00:18. | |
changes. We will be going back to the House in a moment to see what | :00:18. | :00:23. | |
the Labour Party have to say. Let's just go through some of the main | :00:23. | :00:33. | |
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brochures, which are as follows... That's a very big increase in the | :00:41. | :00:48. | |
income tax personal allowance. So, some significant changes there. | :00:48. | :00:51. | |
Let's have a look at some of the other main measures before we go | :00:51. | :00:55. | |
back to the House. Child benefit to be gradually withdrawn for those | :00:55. | :01:00. | |
earning more than �50,000. So, that plan has been adjusted, it is going | :01:00. | :01:10. | |
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to be taken out after �50,000. The new stamp duty rate will be 7%, | :01:10. | :01:14. | |
that's for properties valued at more than �2 million, so that's a | :01:14. | :01:24. | |
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Mr Osborne, very keen to clamp down on those people acquiring property | :01:27. | :01:33. | |
through these companies. We can have a look inside the chamber, | :01:33. | :01:36. | |
because I think the Deputy Speaker is preparing to get towards the | :01:36. | :01:39. | |
opposition response, this is a technical part of the session, | :01:39. | :01:42. | |
where he basically has to put through some of the measures very | :01:42. | :01:46. | |
quickly, because, as we heard in the speech, George Osborne was | :01:46. | :01:50. | |
putting through some of the measures to be going into law in | :01:50. | :01:58. | |
effect as soon as 6 o'clock this evening. Certainly with some of the | :01:59. | :02:02. | |
duties. As we wait for Mr Miliband to get up, and it could be within a | :02:03. | :02:07. | |
few seconds, so I may have to cut your off, Nick Robinson, but let's | :02:07. | :02:12. | |
have a quick thought from you. First of all, this is the nightmare | :02:12. | :02:19. | |
for any opposition leader, although every key measure was previewed, he | :02:19. | :02:24. | |
has to get his toe and right on the top rate. He wants to say it was a | :02:24. | :02:27. | |
mistake, but George Osborne is saying that he is raising more from | :02:27. | :02:31. | |
the wealthy overall. How does he judged this, Mr Miliband, | :02:31. | :02:35. | |
politically? It looked to me as if George Osborne was trying to set a | :02:35. | :02:39. | |
trap for the Labour Party, to get them to commit to keeping that top | :02:39. | :02:41. | |
them to commit to keeping that top rate of tax. Let's see what he has | :02:41. | :02:46. | |
to say. Mr Deputy Speaker, the Chancellor | :02:46. | :02:49. | |
spoke for an hour, but one of his phrases was missing, there was one | :02:49. | :02:54. | |
thing he did not say - today marks the end of, we are all in it | :02:54. | :03:04. | |
| :03:04. | :03:09. | ||
together. Because after today's Budget... Order. I don't think we | :03:09. | :03:12. | |
need you to lead the cheerleading. We have given respect to the | :03:12. | :03:15. | |
Chancellor of the Exchequer, I expect the same respect to be given | :03:15. | :03:21. | |
to the Leader of the Opposition. Because after to days Budget, | :03:21. | :03:26. | |
millions will be paying more while millionaires pay less. Oh, yes. One | :03:26. | :03:36. | |
year ago, the Chancellor said in his Budget speech, and I quote, now | :03:36. | :03:41. | |
would not be the right time to remove the 50p tax rate, when we | :03:41. | :03:46. | |
are asking others in our society... Is he saying he did not say that? | :03:46. | :03:52. | |
He said, now would not be the right time to remove the 50p tax rate, | :03:52. | :03:56. | |
when we are asking others in our society, on much lower incomes, to | :03:56. | :04:01. | |
make sacrifices. That is exactly what he has done. Tax credits cut, | :04:01. | :04:07. | |
child benefit taken away, fuel duty rise in, and what has he chosen to | :04:07. | :04:11. | |
make his priority? For Britain's millionaires, a massive income tax | :04:11. | :04:18. | |
cut each and every year. Mr Deputy Speaker, the fairness test for this | :04:18. | :04:22. | |
Budget was whether the Chancellor used every penny he could to help | :04:22. | :04:26. | |
middle-income families who are squeezed - he has failed that test. | :04:26. | :04:31. | |
Anyone who listened to the Chancellor will be asking the same | :04:31. | :04:34. | |
question - what planet are he and the Prime Minister living on? One | :04:34. | :04:39. | |
million young people out of work, 50 businesses going bust every day, | :04:40. | :04:43. | |
a cost-of-living crisis for families, they promised change, but | :04:43. | :04:49. | |
things have got worse, not better. What did he promised us in last | :04:49. | :04:54. | |
year's Budget? He said he would, and I quote, but you're in the tank | :04:54. | :05:01. | |
of the British economy. He promised growth of 2.5% in 2012. Today he | :05:01. | :05:06. | |
comes to the House and tells us it will be just 0.8%. Growth down last | :05:06. | :05:11. | |
year, growth down this year, growth down next year. Every time he comes | :05:11. | :05:14. | |
to the House, the offers a different excuse, but the reality | :05:14. | :05:22. | |
is that his plan has failed. Last year, Mr Deputy Speaker, he told us | :05:23. | :05:28. | |
unemployment would peak in 2011, and what has he delivered? We are | :05:28. | :05:33. | |
into 2012, and unemployment is rising month upon month upon month. | :05:33. | :05:38. | |
His plan has failed. And he promised us also, Mr Deputy Speaker, | :05:38. | :05:42. | |
last year, the deficit would be gone by the end of the parliament. | :05:42. | :05:46. | |
But today, he admits he is borrowing more than �150 billion | :05:46. | :05:51. | |
more than he said he would. His plan has failed. And in the face of | :05:51. | :05:57. | |
failure, what does he offer? Not a change in economic strategy, not a | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
guarantee of jobs for the young unemployed, not targeting every | :06:01. | :06:07. | |
penny he could at working families, no. We know the driving ambition of | :06:07. | :06:12. | |
this Budget for the Chancellor was to deliver a tax cut for people | :06:12. | :06:20. | |
earning �150,000 a year. There are 30 million taxpayers in this | :06:20. | :06:27. | |
country, this policy will do absolutely nothing for 29 million | :06:27. | :06:33. | |
of them. How could the priority for our country be an income tax cut | :06:33. | :06:37. | |
for the richest 1% at a time when the squeezed middle are facing | :06:37. | :06:42. | |
rising petrol prices, higher energy bills, tax credits and child | :06:42. | :06:45. | |
benefit being cut? Think of what he could have done with the money, he | :06:45. | :06:48. | |
could have reversed his cuts to tax credits, he could have done | :06:48. | :06:52. | |
something for pensioners, and in fact, I think there is a tax rise | :06:52. | :06:55. | |
for pensioners hidden in the detail of this Budget. He could have done | :06:55. | :06:57. | |
of this Budget. He could have done more to undo the damage on child | :06:57. | :07:00. | |
benefit, but he claims he cannot afford it. Let me tell the | :07:00. | :07:03. | |
afford it. Let me tell the Chancellor, every time in the | :07:03. | :07:07. | |
future he tries to justify an unfair decision by saying times are | :07:07. | :07:12. | |
tough, we will remind him, he is the man who chose to spend hundreds | :07:12. | :07:19. | |
of millions of pound on those who need it least. Wrong choices, wrong | :07:19. | :07:28. | |
priorities, wrong values. Out of touch, same old Tories. Let's come | :07:28. | :07:36. | |
to his claims on stamp duty. There are 300,000 people benefiting each | :07:36. | :07:42. | |
and every year from his top rate tax cut, there are 4,000 houses | :07:42. | :07:49. | |
sold each year for more than �2 million, so 99% of those who gain | :07:49. | :07:53. | |
from his millionaire's tax cut will be totally unaffected by the rise | :07:53. | :07:58. | |
in stamp duty. And they will get a massive windfall from this | :07:58. | :08:03. | |
Chancellor. Now, Mr Deputy Speaker, the Chancellor did not tell us what | :08:03. | :08:09. | |
this meant in pounds and pence. Oh, the Prime Minister thinks the | :08:09. | :08:12. | |
Chancellor did say how much each person will gain as a result of the | :08:12. | :08:20. | |
top rate tax cut, but he didn't. And I am going to tell him how much. | :08:20. | :08:23. | |
There are 14,000 people earning more than �1 million in Britain. | :08:23. | :08:28. | |
The Chancellor's decision today means each of them get a tax cut | :08:28. | :08:35. | |
not of �1,000, not of �5,000 or �10,000, a tax cut of more than | :08:35. | :08:45. | |
| :08:45. | :08:50. | ||
�40,000. Order. It is not good for the opposition to not allow the | :08:50. | :08:56. | |
Leader of the Opposition to speak! Ed Miliband. Not burst -- not just | :08:56. | :09:00. | |
this year, but for every year. And what happens to those families who | :09:00. | :09:04. | |
earn in one year half of what the Chancellor has so casually given | :09:04. | :09:09. | |
away to the richest in the last hour, families on �20,000 a year, a | :09:09. | :09:13. | |
nurse or lorry-driver. Even after the personal allowance change, they | :09:13. | :09:17. | |
are not going to be better off, they're going to be worse off. Put | :09:17. | :09:22. | |
aside the VAT rise and fall of the other tax rises, from this April | :09:22. | :09:29. | |
alone, there will be a further �253 a year worse off. -- they will be. | :09:29. | :09:32. | |
All he is doing for ordinary families is giving with one hand | :09:32. | :09:37. | |
and taking far more away with the other. It is a millionaire's budget | :09:37. | :09:41. | |
which squeezes the middle. Wrong choices, wrong priorities, wrong | :09:41. | :09:48. | |
values, out of touch, same old Tories. Under his tax cut, a banker | :09:48. | :09:56. | |
earning �5 million will get an extra �240,000 each year. Let's | :09:56. | :10:00. | |
called this what it really is, the Government's very own banker's | :10:00. | :10:08. | |
bonus. Now, presumably, Mr Deputy Speaker, he wants us to believe | :10:08. | :10:11. | |
that the �240,000 tax cut is necessary to make them work harder, | :10:11. | :10:17. | |
the bankers. It is one rule for them, and another for everyone else. | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
Because this April, the Chancellor will be telling a family working | :10:21. | :10:25. | |
for 16 hours on the minimum wage that if they do not work more hours, | :10:25. | :10:30. | |
they will lose nearly �4,000 in tax credits. It tells you everything | :10:30. | :10:35. | |
you need to know about the values of the Chancellor and the Prime | :10:35. | :10:40. | |
Minister - the poor will only work harder by making them poorer, to | :10:40. | :10:44. | |
which will only work harder by making them richer. Wrong choices, | :10:44. | :10:49. | |
wrong values, wrong priorities, same old Tories. And while | :10:49. | :10:53. | |
everybody else is squeezed, what is the Chancellor's priority? It is | :10:53. | :10:56. | |
the massive tax cut for his Christmas card list. The Chancellor | :10:56. | :11:06. | |
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talk a lot about tax transparency, let's have some, Mr Deputy Speaker. | :11:07. | :11:11. | |
I think you need to come down, it is not good for you, it is not good | :11:11. | :11:18. | |
for the House. Ed Miliband... have some tax transparency. Hands | :11:18. | :11:21. | |
up in the Cabinet if you're going to benefit from the income tax cut. | :11:21. | :11:31. | |
| :11:31. | :11:42. | ||
Come on. Come on. Order. Order! I have looked at you twice, I think | :11:42. | :11:52. | |
we need a little bit of silence from you. He is the man who said, | :11:52. | :11:56. | |
sunlight is the best disinfectant. So here's the challenge, just not | :11:56. | :11:59. | |
if you're going to benefit from it, shake your head if you're not. Come | :11:59. | :12:09. | |
| :12:09. | :12:15. | ||
on. Come on. Come on, we've got plenty of time. Order. Both sides | :12:15. | :12:19. | |
of the House will come to order. The Leader of the Opposition will | :12:19. | :12:25. | |
be heard. In the same way that the courtesy was given to the | :12:25. | :12:30. | |
Chancellor. It is only right that the country should hear what the | :12:30. | :12:37. | |
opposition has got to say. And I do not need any examples from you. | :12:38. | :12:47. | |
| :12:48. | :12:48. | ||
more chance - nod or shake your head, are you going to benefit? Mr | :12:48. | :12:53. | |
Deputy Speaker, I have got one thing to say to him - let sunshine | :12:53. | :13:01. | |
win the day. But I hear it is good news for him, Mr Deputy Speaker, | :13:01. | :13:11. | |
| :13:11. | :13:17. | ||
now he is going to be able to buy Order. We will not have any | :13:17. | :13:21. | |
clapping in the chamber. Seriously, salmon it is doing this House and | :13:21. | :13:26. | |
its reputation any good when we cannot hear the Leader of the | :13:26. | :13:35. | |
Opposition. And Mr Deputy Speaker, what about the hapless a compass, | :13:35. | :13:38. | |
the Deputy Prime Minister? I do have to say, only the Liberal | :13:38. | :13:43. | |
Democrats could be done enough to think a George Osborne budget is a | :13:43. | :13:48. | |
Robin Hood budget. Calamity Clegg strikes again. This is what he said | :13:48. | :13:54. | |
to us a few months ago about the 50p tax rate - month no IFS, no | :13:54. | :13:59. | |
buts, I do not believe the priority at a time like this is to give a | :13:59. | :14:02. | |
tax cut to a tiny, tiny number of people who are much better off than | :14:03. | :14:10. | |
anybody else. The party that once followed Lloyd George, now reduced | :14:10. | :14:14. | |
to following George Osborne. The party that delivered the peoples | :14:14. | :14:20. | |
budget of 1909, supporting the millionaires' budget of 2012. They | :14:20. | :14:26. | |
should be ashamed. For all the talk, all the briefing, the Deputy Prime | :14:26. | :14:30. | |
Minister has done what he has done on every big issue, from tuition | :14:30. | :14:36. | |
fees to the betrayal on the NHS, he has rolled over and said, Yes, | :14:36. | :14:39. | |
Prime Minister. The truth is that for ordinary families, it is | :14:39. | :14:43. | |
hurting but it is not working, and we know why, because this | :14:43. | :14:50. | |
government has been cutting too Fire and too fast. What did the | :14:50. | :14:54. | |
Chancellor say last August about America's more balanced deficit | :14:54. | :14:58. | |
reduction plan? He said this - those who spend the whole of the | :14:58. | :15:01. | |
past year telling us to follow the American example need to answer | :15:01. | :15:05. | |
this simple question, why has the US economy grow more slowly than | :15:05. | :15:10. | |
the UK? Mr Deputy Speaker, the numbers are in, the Chancellor is | :15:10. | :15:15. | |
plain wrong. The US economy grew at 1.7% last year, twice the rate of | :15:15. | :15:20. | |
ours. This government has run out of excuses, it is they go mistakes | :15:20. | :15:30. | |
which are damaging our future, it Every scheme he has put forward so | :15:30. | :15:36. | |
far has failed. Halfs the big idea of his first Budget? The national | :15:36. | :15:39. | |
insurance holiday. We didn't hear much about the national insurance | :15:39. | :15:43. | |
holiday today. It is no wonder because he told us in his June | :15:43. | :15:49. | |
Budget that it would help 400,000 firms. He missed his target by 97%. | :15:49. | :15:53. | |
The Chancellor's plan has failed and what about the centrepiece of | :15:53. | :15:58. | |
last year's Budget? It is easy to forget now, but it was called the | :15:58. | :16:02. | |
Budget for Growth. Now this one is my favourite. It is the business | :16:02. | :16:08. | |
growth fund. The business growth fund. Six regional offices open and | :16:08. | :16:16. | |
how many businesses benefiting? Six. One... | :16:16. | :16:17. | |
LAUGHTER One for each office. The | :16:17. | :16:21. | |
Chancellor's plan has failed. We needed a plan for growth that will | :16:21. | :16:24. | |
work, we need add guarantee on youth jobs, we need add British | :16:24. | :16:28. | |
investment bank to help small business, but on growth, on jobs | :16:28. | :16:31. | |
and on how we pay our way in the world, this chancellor has failed. | :16:31. | :16:36. | |
Now on the proposal on film tax relief. Let me say this, let me say | :16:36. | :16:44. | |
this, it is great to support great British success stories like Dowton | :16:44. | :16:49. | |
Abbey and indeed, Wallace and Gromit. It is also important Mr | :16:49. | :16:59. | |
| :16:59. | :17:03. | ||
Deputy Speaker to support Downton a tale of a group of out-of-touch | :17:03. | :17:09. | |
millionaires. Born to rule, but turn out to be not very good at it. | :17:09. | :17:12. | |
Mr Deputy Speaker, it sounds familiar, doesn't it? We all know | :17:12. | :17:18. | |
it is a costume drama. They think it is a fly on the wall document | :17:18. | :17:21. | |
documentary! Mr Deputy Speaker there, Budget will be remembered | :17:21. | :17:25. | |
for his failure on growth and jobs and the top rate tax cut. This | :17:25. | :17:31. | |
isn't just a bad bad policy or a misjudgement, it destroys the claim | :17:31. | :17:34. | |
the Prime Minister made, it destroys the claim the Prime | :17:34. | :17:38. | |
Minister made about who he was and what he believed. What did he | :17:38. | :17:43. | |
personally say in his aims and values document sent out to every | :17:43. | :17:48. | |
Conservative Party member? The right test for our policies is how | :17:48. | :17:53. | |
they help the most disadvantaged in society. It was called Built To | :17:53. | :18:03. | |
Last. That was his test. A test this Budget Budget failed. He and | :18:03. | :18:06. | |
the Chancellor have shown their true colours. They promised change. | :18:06. | :18:12. | |
They have failed on growth. On jobs, on borrowing, on fairness. Unfair, | :18:12. | :18:17. | |
out-of-touch for the few, not the many and unfair -- an unfair Budget | :18:17. | :18:21. | |
built on economic failure. An unfair Budget from the same old | :18:21. | :18:29. | |
Tories. A very lively House of Commons with | :18:29. | :18:34. | |
Ed Miliband responding for Labour and as we heard a forceful attack | :18:34. | :18:39. | |
on what he perceives to be the values of George Osborne and the | :18:39. | :18:42. | |
rest of the coalition Government including the Lib Dems. We will | :18:42. | :18:46. | |
have more response for you later because we hoped tor joined by | :18:46. | :18:51. | |
Danny Alexander and by the Shadow Chancellor, Ed Balls. Stay with us | :18:51. | :18:55. | |
for more response. If you want to keep on watching the debate in the | :18:55. | :18:59. | |
Commons, it is lively, if you want to stay with that, you can switch | :18:59. | :19:07. | |
over to BBC Parliament or you can go to the Democracy Live website. | :19:07. | :19:15. | |
But I think it is a really good moment now before we talk to Nick | :19:15. | :19:18. | |
and Stephanie and Robert in the studio and get their considered | :19:18. | :19:22. | |
response on what we have seen. There is lots for us to consider. | :19:22. | :19:26. | |
So let me take you through the main points of George Osborne's third | :19:26. | :19:30. | |
Budget here. We're going to start with personal taxes because there | :19:30. | :19:35. | |
were big changes here. The 50 pence income tax rate to be reduced to 45 | :19:35. | :19:41. | |
pence in the pound from next April. That's from 2013. Let's look at | :19:41. | :19:45. | |
personal allowances, the income tax allowance to be increased to �9,205, | :19:46. | :19:50. | |
that's from next April. That will be an expensive move. We can talk | :19:50. | :19:55. | |
to ministers later about how they are fun that and the age related | :19:55. | :19:59. | |
additional personal allowance is is to be phased out. Let's move on to | :19:59. | :20:02. | |
child benefit. A controversial and sensitive area. There is change | :20:02. | :20:07. | |
here from the original plans. Child benefit to be removed gradually | :20:07. | :20:13. | |
from those earning over �50,000. A kind of tapering up to �60,000 | :20:13. | :20:18. | |
income if you are earning over �60,000, you lose child benefit so | :20:18. | :20:23. | |
just to underline, only those with an income over �60,000 will lose | :20:23. | :20:30. | |
the benefit. Stamp duty, again some radical change, for expensive | :20:30. | :20:34. | |
properties, a new 7% stamp duty rate for properties valued above �2 | :20:34. | :20:38. | |
million. Again, we can talk about how much that is going to bring in | :20:38. | :20:44. | |
and then a 15% stamp duty rate on homes which are equally expensive | :20:44. | :20:47. | |
which are bought through a company. That's something the Chancellor has | :20:47. | :20:51. | |
clamped down on. So property bought through a company to avoid stamp | :20:52. | :20:55. | |
duty, well you can see the result of that avoidance 15% stamp duty | :20:55. | :20:59. | |
levied on those transactions. What about the state of the economy? The | :20:59. | :21:03. | |
health of the economy as the Chancellor presented it today? The | :21:03. | :21:08. | |
office of budget responsibility, the growth forecast adjusted | :21:08. | :21:14. | |
slightly, 2012 looks like being 0.8% growth. Again, picking up on | :21:14. | :21:22. | |
Stephanie's word, it looks feeble still. 2013, 2%. 2014, 2.7%. | :21:22. | :21:28. | |
Borrowing forecast because lots of this austerity package is down to | :21:28. | :21:38. | |
| :21:38. | :21:40. | ||
getting borrowing down. The latest bore owe forecast -- borrowing | :21:40. | :21:47. | |
Staying with the big picture, public sector net debt forecast to | :21:47. | :21:55. | |
peak. Now forecast to peak at 76.3% of GDP in 2014/15. What about | :21:55. | :22:00. | |
unemployment, given the very high levels? The claimant count is to | :22:00. | :22:06. | |
peak at 1.67 million this year. That's the forecast and inflation | :22:06. | :22:12. | |
given that target of 2%, well it is to fall from 2.8% this year to | :22:12. | :22:17. | |
around 1.9% next year. So much closer to the target set for the | :22:17. | :22:21. | |
Bank of England there. Business, they have got changes to consider | :22:21. | :22:26. | |
after today's Budget. Corporation tax is to be cut again from 24% | :22:26. | :22:34. | |
from April and to 22% by the year 2014. So a significant and | :22:34. | :22:38. | |
persistent change there to corporation tax. There will | :22:38. | :22:46. | |
absimplified -- be a simplified payroll system for three million | :22:46. | :22:52. | |
small businesses. They are trying to engineer growth in those areas. | :22:52. | :22:57. | |
The economy and infrastructure, a report on south-east England | :22:57. | :23:01. | |
airport capacity to be published this summer. Signs of rethinking | :23:01. | :23:04. | |
there maybe in some areas, but certainly pointers as to what they | :23:05. | :23:10. | |
might do in terms of airports and in terms of runways. Rail lines | :23:10. | :23:13. | |
from Manchester to Sheffield, Blackpool, Bradford, they will be | :23:13. | :23:17. | |
upgraded. A significant rail investment package and private | :23:17. | :23:22. | |
investment in the road network. We have heard about that in the past | :23:22. | :23:29. | |
few days. Duties, well alcohol duties, not much of a story | :23:29. | :23:34. | |
attached to that. They are unchanged. But look at tobacco | :23:34. | :23:38. | |
because tobacco duty is to rise to 5% above inflation and that means | :23:38. | :23:43. | |
37 pence on a packet of cigarettes. A hefty rise there. There is a new | :23:43. | :23:47. | |
20% duty on fruit machines and gambling machines so that's | :23:47. | :23:50. | |
something that's going to be brought in to address what the | :23:50. | :23:55. | |
Chancellor said was an anomaly in the system now. I think that's the | :23:55. | :24:00. | |
summary, I think, it is more than enough for us to think about. I am | :24:00. | :24:03. | |
going to bring Stephanie and Robert and Nick in. They have been | :24:03. | :24:07. | |
following the content. We have got the books as well from the Treasury | :24:07. | :24:12. | |
with the statistics in them. I will start with Nick because I'm just | :24:12. | :24:15. | |
wondering really what you think will be written up as the main | :24:15. | :24:20. | |
headline? Oh, the defining politics is clear, Ed Miliband believed this | :24:20. | :24:23. | |
is the moment the Government lost it. He labelled this a | :24:23. | :24:26. | |
millionaire's budget. He said that money is being handed out to people | :24:26. | :24:30. | |
with vast amounts of it already while people are losing their tax | :24:30. | :24:34. | |
credits, some, but few of them before losing their child benefit | :24:34. | :24:37. | |
and others feeling squeezed. There is no doubt he does that while the | :24:37. | :24:41. | |
Chancellor tries to say, "No, no, it is not about that. It is about | :24:41. | :24:44. | |
opening economy for business and giving a big tax handout to the | :24:44. | :24:48. | |
people in the middle." What we are seeing from the books is where the | :24:48. | :24:50. | |
money comes from and the most striking one is this. You may | :24:50. | :24:53. | |
remember the Chancellor talked about simpifying the tax allowances | :24:53. | :24:58. | |
for older people. What this means Huw is all of us are allowed to | :24:58. | :25:02. | |
earn a certain amount, it went up by a lot today before we pay income | :25:02. | :25:06. | |
tax. Everybody Who doesn't earn more than �100,000. Now what | :25:06. | :25:10. | |
happens at the moment is if you are older, you get a bigger allowance. | :25:10. | :25:14. | |
If you are 65, it is bigger. If you are 75, it is a lot bigger and what | :25:14. | :25:18. | |
the Chancellor has done today is to freeze that. You still get it if | :25:18. | :25:24. | |
you are on it now, but if you are 62, 63, 64, you won't get that | :25:24. | :25:27. | |
better allowance in future and if you are on it now, it will be | :25:27. | :25:32. | |
frozen. This adds up to real money. We are talking of 2015/16 �1 | :25:32. | :25:38. | |
million. That's a lot of money. Over the period, it is more than �3 | :25:38. | :25:42. | |
billion. It is one of the ways he is getting the money he needs to do | :25:42. | :25:45. | |
things is not by taking money away now from pensioners in the form of | :25:45. | :25:50. | |
cash, but saying the better tax allowances you were due to get, you | :25:50. | :25:54. | |
won't get anymore. Which was the Ed Miliband reference there to | :25:54. | :25:58. | |
pensioners also bearing some of the burden from today's changes? That's | :25:58. | :26:01. | |
right. And it is a complicated thing. It is not about something | :26:01. | :26:05. | |
that you have got now that gets taken away, but if you have done | :26:05. | :26:11. | |
nothing, you would have had a steady inflation increase if you | :26:11. | :26:14. | |
are now a pensioner, you won't get anymore. If you are not yet a | :26:14. | :26:19. | |
pensioner, but you will be in a few years time, you will get the same | :26:19. | :26:23. | |
personal allowance you get if you are somebody under the age of 65, | :26:23. | :26:28. | |
but it raises a lot. Stephanie, what strikes you? Trying | :26:28. | :26:32. | |
to unpick the figures and trying to see what led to the changes and how | :26:32. | :26:36. | |
he is trying to fund them. What would you pick out? It is a tribute | :26:36. | :26:42. | |
to the breadth of the chancellors kingdom that -- chancellor's | :26:42. | :26:47. | |
kingdom that you can have these changes and in the enall the big | :26:47. | :26:52. | |
things in -- end all the big big things are still in place. At the | :26:52. | :27:02. | |
| :27:02. | :27:26. | ||
end of our or five years, he is not . All that is to off set what he is | :27:26. | :27:31. | |
spending on raising the personal allowance which is serious money, | :27:31. | :27:36. | |
�3.5 billion. Also that other headline tax rate cut for | :27:36. | :27:41. | |
corporation tax is going to go down by an additional 1% on top of what | :27:41. | :27:44. | |
he had said. Now, of course, the most controversial thing will be | :27:44. | :27:48. | |
this claim that he is not spending anything on reducing the top rate | :27:48. | :27:53. | |
of tax from 50 to 45. It is interesting, looking at this study, | :27:53. | :27:59. | |
he is appealing to the study by the HMRC on the effect of that new tax | :27:59. | :28:03. | |
and it is interesting because if there hadn't been any change in | :28:03. | :28:06. | |
behaviour, if the rich people hadn't done anything to avoid the | :28:06. | :28:10. | |
tax, he would be losing �3 billion, this says, by this decision and | :28:10. | :28:15. | |
that would be, he would be giving in a ses �3 billion -- sense �3 | :28:15. | :28:22. | |
billion to the very rich. But the HMRC reckon that he is not giving | :28:22. | :28:25. | |
anything away or that he is giving �100 million away because they | :28:25. | :28:31. | |
changed their behaviour sop much. One examp -- so much. One example | :28:31. | :28:38. | |
they reckon that �18 billion of income was shifted in the year that | :28:38. | :28:44. | |
the top rate of tax came in. What is interesting, the Office for | :28:44. | :28:47. | |
Budget Responsibility signed off on this assessment so many people will | :28:48. | :28:51. | |
debate it, but it is not something that can be questioned on that | :28:51. | :28:57. | |
basis. Well, that's fascinating. Robert? | :28:57. | :29:01. | |
This will be seen by businesses as good news for them. The benefit to | :29:01. | :29:07. | |
them in cash terms, the Treasury estimates of this 1% cut in the | :29:07. | :29:14. | |
corporation tax cut is �800 million a year which 2014/15 which is a | :29:14. | :29:17. | |
substantial amount of additional cash that they get to keep and the | :29:17. | :29:24. | |
Chancellor hopes they will invest in jobs and in new kit to improve | :29:24. | :29:27. | |
the the productive potential of the country. The other thing that stood | :29:27. | :29:34. | |
out for me are the enormous swings in essentially in tax avoidance, | :29:34. | :29:39. | |
putting it in crude terms. There are these two big things happening | :29:39. | :29:45. | |
for the wealthy, on the one hand, they are getting the top rate of | :29:45. | :29:52. | |
tax reduced from 40% to 45%. But there is going to be a | :29:53. | :29:56. | |
significant restriction on their ability to use allowances to reduce | :29:56. | :30:06. | |
| :30:06. | :30:13. | ||
Because of the way the wealthy will try and anticipate the future | :30:13. | :30:19. | |
The way the wealthy will try and anticipate some of these future | :30:19. | :30:23. | |
measures. He thinks he will get a lot of this tax back in future | :30:23. | :30:29. | |
years. Many accountants would say that you can pretty much bank on | :30:29. | :30:33. | |
the avoidance happening, loss of revenue, whether you get it back in | :30:33. | :30:37. | |
later years, that may be more questionable. Some will say he is | :30:37. | :30:40. | |
taking a bit of a gamble in what he's doing to change the tax system | :30:41. | :30:48. | |
for the very wealthy. We will be back in a second. We will toubg to | :30:48. | :30:53. | |
Stephanie, Robert and Nick -- talk to Stephanie, Robert and Nick again. | :30:53. | :30:57. | |
You are watching the BBC's special coverage of George Osborne's Budget. | :30:57. | :31:02. | |
We will get more reaction now, before we are hopefully joined by | :31:02. | :31:06. | |
the Chief Secretary, in a short while. I will join my colleague, | :31:07. | :31:10. | |
Jon Sopel, who is outside Parliament. | :31:10. | :31:15. | |
A lot of discussion from MPs who are filtering out of the Commons | :31:15. | :31:21. | |
and the speech from the leader of the Labour Party. I am joined by | :31:21. | :31:25. | |
Clare Perry, David Laws, former Chief Secretary to the Treasury and | :31:25. | :31:35. | |
| :31:35. | :31:36. | ||
Rachel Reece. A Budget for millionaires? It was | :31:36. | :31:41. | |
to secure this recovery and remain a "safe haven". It had the biggest | :31:41. | :31:46. | |
tax break for lower, middle income families for 30 year. Listening to | :31:46. | :31:52. | |
the Labour leader having a coronary, trying to work up a narrative about | :31:52. | :31:56. | |
millionaires and ignoring the fact... I wish he had read this. | :31:56. | :32:01. | |
The richest people will pay five times more under this Budget. | :32:01. | :32:05. | |
a potent headline, isn't it? Aren't we beyond political headlines? We | :32:05. | :32:09. | |
need to get this country growing and give this huge, huge benefit to | :32:09. | :32:14. | |
working people. 60% of whom are women in that income bracket. It | :32:14. | :32:19. | |
was a very good day. David Laws, a while ago I spoke to your colleague, | :32:19. | :32:23. | |
who said that is what the Tories wanted - as if he wanted nothing to | :32:23. | :32:28. | |
do with this cut in the top rate of tax? I have spoken to Tim, he is | :32:28. | :32:31. | |
delighted with this Budget. It does what the Liberal Democrats have | :32:31. | :32:35. | |
been pushing for, which is to take millions of people, on low incomes | :32:35. | :32:40. | |
out of tax and detective the centrepiece, the biggest | :32:40. | :32:43. | |
expenditure item that people need help at the moment, people on low | :32:43. | :32:49. | |
pay and middle earners in work, who will gain hugely as a result of the | :32:49. | :32:53. | |
lifting of the tax allowance. We are happy, because it would have | :32:54. | :32:59. | |
been wrong, at a time like this, if there had been a net givaway to the | :32:59. | :33:04. | |
rich. This has a bigger country from the rich than before. We were | :33:04. | :33:07. | |
hearing there, in that discussion, that the big sums of money are | :33:07. | :33:11. | |
coming back - so it looks like you are taking money off pensioners to | :33:11. | :33:15. | |
give to people on the top rate of pay a tax cut? The big sums are | :33:15. | :33:19. | |
come from the fact that the Chancellor is able to release | :33:19. | :33:22. | |
public expenditure from areas like Afghanistan, where we will not | :33:22. | :33:27. | |
spend the money we committed. Also he is raising more from people on | :33:27. | :33:31. | |
upper incomes than he is giving away on the 50p rate, which turns | :33:31. | :33:35. | |
out according to the Office for Budget Responsibility, has raised a | :33:35. | :33:39. | |
trivialal amount, because the tax system that Labour designed had | :33:39. | :33:43. | |
symbolically high rates, but so many allowances that nobody has | :33:43. | :33:48. | |
been paying this tax. It is a bad tax that damages enterprise. | :33:48. | :33:53. | |
HMRC numbers show that 50p rate, brought in around �1 billion this | :33:53. | :33:58. | |
year. That is not truly on numbers money could have been used to | :33:58. | :34:02. | |
relief pressure on ordinary families. Instead 14,000 | :34:03. | :34:05. | |
millionaires will get a tax cut, this year, the year after and the | :34:05. | :34:10. | |
year after that. That cannot be the right priority right now when | :34:10. | :34:16. | |
ordinary families are seeing such a squeeze, stagnant wages, rising | :34:16. | :34:19. | |
fuel, and food prices. The Government missed a chance to | :34:19. | :34:24. | |
relief some of that pressure on ordinary families. I want to be | :34:24. | :34:27. | |
clear about something - the coalition tomorrow, you are in | :34:27. | :34:31. | |
power - will you overturn that? there was a Budget today and an | :34:31. | :34:37. | |
election tomorrow, we would stick with the 50p rate. Put it back up. | :34:37. | :34:40. | |
If there was an election next week, we cannot make promises for three | :34:40. | :34:44. | |
years' time, but we are clear we would not be cutting the top rate | :34:44. | :34:49. | |
of tax for the very richest 1% right now. Let me come back on a | :34:49. | :34:55. | |
point that Clare and David have made about ordinary families. From | :34:55. | :34:59. | |
next month the average family with children is going to be �530 worse | :34:59. | :35:03. | |
off every year. Now, the change to the personal allowance, whilst | :35:03. | :35:08. | |
welcome is only worth �170. So, we are going to see families next | :35:08. | :35:12. | |
month struggling because of changes to tax credits which puts pressure | :35:12. | :35:18. | |
on them. One thing I was concerned about was removing 50p while we had | :35:18. | :35:21. | |
a public sector pay freeze. We are not doing that. This is a proposal | :35:21. | :35:26. | |
for next year. I know Rachel has been busy and has not had a chance | :35:26. | :35:31. | |
to read the facts. It is a tax which does not raise very much | :35:31. | :35:34. | |
money. It cost �100 million in terms of the loss to the Treasury. | :35:34. | :35:40. | |
Those people will be paying five times as much. For the first time | :35:40. | :35:45. | |
we have produced this shows the richest are paying far more. I am | :35:45. | :35:51. | |
so surprised that your party, supposedly on the side of hard- | :35:51. | :35:55. | |
working families, is not cheering that we will see this increase to | :35:55. | :36:01. | |
personal allowances. If we had not had these changes on taxes for the | :36:01. | :36:05. | |
rich, which, in spite of the fact that Labour find this difficult to | :36:05. | :36:08. | |
deal with, the truth is and it has been looked at by the Office for | :36:08. | :36:10. | |
Budget Responsibility, an independent body - it will raise | :36:10. | :36:16. | |
more from the rich than before. We can do more for people on lower and | :36:16. | :36:19. | |
middle incomes. Labour should welcome this. But they cannot bring | :36:19. | :36:23. | |
themselves to do so. I just said that I thought that the increase in | :36:23. | :36:27. | |
the personal allowance was a welcome thing. I am saying it | :36:27. | :36:34. | |
doesn't do.... We are raising for... It does not cancel out the charges | :36:34. | :36:39. | |
on working tax credits, which will see many families lose out to the | :36:39. | :36:44. | |
tune of �530. We are dealing a deficit left by your Government. | :36:44. | :36:53. | |
Which is why you should not be.... Very briefly. The Government should | :36:53. | :36:59. | |
crack down on tax avoidance, the tax loopholes at the top. They | :36:59. | :37:03. | |
should not compensate by giving a tax cut to those at the top as well. | :37:03. | :37:08. | |
I am going to have the final say. We are going draw stumps here. I | :37:08. | :37:11. | |
don't think we will get agreement, however long you give me to carry | :37:11. | :37:21. | |
on this discussion, they will not I am pleased to say that Danny | :37:21. | :37:24. | |
Alexander has joined us, the Chief Secretary. It is good to have you | :37:24. | :37:27. | |
with us. Thank you for coming in. Let's start with your party's | :37:27. | :37:31. | |
policy on the 50p rate. You don't need me to tell you and the Spring | :37:31. | :37:36. | |
Conference was very clear too, they wanted you to leave that where it | :37:36. | :37:40. | |
was. What will you say to colleagues who say, we don't think | :37:40. | :37:44. | |
this is right, it is giving out the wrong signals - why have you agreed | :37:44. | :37:49. | |
to it? We went into this Budget with a big priority, to lift the | :37:49. | :37:53. | |
income tax threshold, to get money into the pockets of people on low | :37:53. | :37:56. | |
and middle incomes. That is what we have secured very successfully in | :37:56. | :38:00. | |
this Budget. What we have a is a package of measures on the -- what | :38:00. | :38:04. | |
we have is a package of measures on the richest. For a party that | :38:04. | :38:09. | |
believes we should ask the wealthiest to pay more that we | :38:09. | :38:13. | |
should not reduce the tax burden on the wealthiest, this is a good | :38:13. | :38:17. | |
outcome. When we looked at the 50p rate, we saw it didn't work. It was | :38:17. | :38:21. | |
not raising anything like the money Labour promised it would raise. | :38:21. | :38:26. | |
There is a behaviour yalt response for stalling, -- behavioural | :38:26. | :38:34. | |
response for stalling. To go from 50p-45p, �100 is all. Having been | :38:34. | :38:38. | |
told it was a multibillion pound tax when it was introduced. Having | :38:38. | :38:44. | |
put in place a cap on reliefs, a tycoon tax, if you like, having | :38:44. | :38:50. | |
stamped down on stamp due avoidance. I think that is something which | :38:50. | :38:54. | |
will make sure that the wealthiest are paying these new, real | :38:54. | :38:58. | |
effective taxes that work. On the whole that is a balance that libs | :38:58. | :39:04. | |
should be able to support. -- that Lib Dems should be able to support. | :39:04. | :39:09. | |
On the 50p one because it will be such a big headline, as you know, I | :39:09. | :39:12. | |
am wondering, two years ago, you made a speech at the conference and | :39:12. | :39:17. | |
you said this 50p rate, a lot of people are avoiding tax, we will | :39:17. | :39:21. | |
get them to pay the rate. Are you saying today that that failed that | :39:21. | :39:26. | |
this exercise you had on people to stump up the proper rate of tax, as | :39:26. | :39:30. | |
you see it, has been a failure and because of that you are giving them | :39:30. | :39:34. | |
a tax cut. What is the logic? I said then, and repeat now, | :39:35. | :39:38. | |
anybody who thinks this is the right time to reduce the tax burden | :39:38. | :39:48. | |
| :39:48. | :39:49. | ||
on the wealthiest, I believed that was cloud cue cue land. | :39:49. | :39:53. | |
Did they have enough time to look at that, do you think? It is a | :39:53. | :39:58. | |
quick review, in relative terms. Why didn't you give them two or | :39:58. | :40:01. | |
three years? You should read the dense document which has been | :40:01. | :40:07. | |
published. It is a clear, detailed review. I have spoken to experts in | :40:07. | :40:12. | |
HMRC myself. They have all the evidence they need to make an... | :40:12. | :40:19. | |
For example, how have wealthy people responded. In 2009-2010, | :40:19. | :40:23. | |
wealthy people brought forward �14 billion-�16 billion of income in | :40:23. | :40:27. | |
that year to avoid paying the rate when it came in. The assessments | :40:27. | :40:31. | |
made of how much it would raise, to be chartable, were overoptimistic. | :40:31. | :40:37. | |
So, you.... So you would continue it? It is on the basis of that | :40:37. | :40:42. | |
evidence and HMRC's analysis, which has been orbited by the OBR, who | :40:42. | :40:46. | |
say it is central, on that basis we have made that decision. The thing | :40:46. | :40:49. | |
most important to me, as a Liberal Democrats, was to make sure the | :40:49. | :40:53. | |
wealthy are paying more. They are paying for this change five times | :40:53. | :40:57. | |
over, through taxes which cannot be dodged, in the way that the 50p | :40:57. | :41:02. | |
rate was being. That is a good package. Especially when the main | :41:02. | :41:11. | |
focus of this Budget, �14 billion over four years is going to an | :41:11. | :41:15. | |
�1100 in the tax threshold. I think that is a great result for | :41:15. | :41:18. | |
the working people of this country. It's a Budget for the millions, not | :41:18. | :41:22. | |
for the millionaires, who are paying more. That's a good outcome | :41:22. | :41:27. | |
for this country. We had Vince Cable, not very long ago, say a | :41:27. | :41:31. | |
mansion tax and getting people to pay much more for the home they are | :41:31. | :41:35. | |
already living in, is not a bad thought. It is a high-profile | :41:35. | :41:39. | |
exchange for such a big change on your headline tax rate. We don't | :41:39. | :41:43. | |
seem to have that. That clear exchange is not there for people to | :41:43. | :41:48. | |
launch on to. Is that something you recognise will disappoint some of | :41:48. | :41:51. | |
your colleagues and is a vulnerability for you? Of course | :41:51. | :41:55. | |
some Liberal Democrats will be disappointed to see a mansion tax | :41:55. | :42:04. | |
is not on this... In this Budget. Tackling the stamp duty regime, one | :42:04. | :42:10. | |
thing we will bring in for people whose homes are owned by companies, | :42:10. | :42:15. | |
is an annual charge. You might call it a mansion tax for tax dodgers, | :42:15. | :42:19. | |
to ensure we are cracking down on stamp duty avoidance, getting in | :42:19. | :42:22. | |
hundreds of millions of pounds more as a result of that. And also this | :42:22. | :42:27. | |
cap on unlimited reliefs, which means that no longer will people | :42:27. | :42:33. | |
earning millions of pounds be able to use the various tax reliefs to | :42:33. | :42:36. | |
reduce their tax bill to almost zero. That is a big change. Isn't | :42:36. | :42:41. | |
the issue of fairness that some of your members are concerned about is | :42:41. | :42:44. | |
this, if you are a wealthy person who doesn't use those tax reliefs | :42:44. | :42:49. | |
and there are plenty of them, you will get a massive tax cut as a | :42:49. | :42:54. | |
result of this, at the same time that many ordinary people are | :42:54. | :43:00. | |
losing tax credits and those on higher incomes are losing child | :43:00. | :43:05. | |
benefit. There will be a lot who get a big tax cut when they are | :43:05. | :43:10. | |
already rich. The two thing things are a massive tax cut for people on | :43:10. | :43:20. | |
low and middle incomes. And a set of proposals on the | :43:20. | :43:27. | |
wealthy which raise the tax on the wealthy five times over. As a group, | :43:28. | :43:34. | |
maybe. There'll be individually wealthy people, who dodo not engage | :43:34. | :43:38. | |
in the behaviour -- who do not engage in that behave your may be | :43:38. | :43:42. | |
tens of thousands of pounds better off. What we have learned from the | :43:42. | :43:45. | |
analysis is that the forecast for what people pay and the number of | :43:45. | :43:50. | |
people paying that rate of tax, was massively exaggerated. We had a tax | :43:50. | :43:55. | |
that didn't work. My minority was to cut taxes for people on low and | :43:55. | :43:59. | |
middle income earners and make sure the wealthy paid more. That is what | :43:59. | :44:04. | |
we have achieved. It is a good balance. You say your priority is | :44:04. | :44:07. | |
low and middle income earners, but of course you would agree there are | :44:07. | :44:12. | |
an awful lot of people, the poorest don't pay tax and they will not be | :44:12. | :44:16. | |
helped by this at all. The money you are spending �3.5 billion on | :44:16. | :44:18. | |
increasing the personal allowance, well at the same time the | :44:18. | :44:22. | |
Chancellor has announced three times that in welfare cuts after | :44:22. | :44:26. | |
2014. If you are right at the bottom of society, you are actually | :44:26. | :44:29. | |
quite likely to be hammered by a decision which was taken in this | :44:29. | :44:33. | |
Budget, which we are not paying attention to, because people here | :44:33. | :44:38. | |
are not on benefits. Firstly, two million people paying income tax | :44:38. | :44:42. | |
when this Government came in are no longer paying income tax. A lot of | :44:42. | :44:49. | |
people working on low incomes pay no income tax. What he has drawn | :44:49. | :44:53. | |
attention to is the fact that we have to make further spending | :44:53. | :45:01. | |
reductions in 201015-2016. We set that out. What he set out were the | :45:01. | :45:06. | |
trade-offs between departmental spending and expenditure, which | :45:06. | :45:12. | |
includes welfare. We'll have to do another Spending Review over the | :45:12. | :45:16. | |
next period of time, over the next year or two. In that Spending | :45:16. | :45:21. | |
Review, we have to make decisions, as we did in 2010, but where those | :45:21. | :45:27. | |
savings should be made. There is a trade-off. You could say that we | :45:27. | :45:31. | |
need to take further steps because welfare is still one-third of all | :45:31. | :45:35. | |
public expenditure in this country, to relief the burden on departments. | :45:35. | :45:38. | |
The purpose of this being in the Budget document today, was to | :45:39. | :45:45. | |
expose some trade-offs and provide a public debate, about the choices | :45:45. | :45:55. | |
| :45:55. | :45:58. | ||
which will have to be made in 2015- One of the big numbers in the | :45:58. | :46:02. | |
budget but is this more than �2 billion of what is essentially tax | :46:02. | :46:07. | |
avoidance by the highest earners, in advance of these tax changes, | :46:07. | :46:12. | |
that's a massive tax saving, that these high earners, you expect them | :46:12. | :46:16. | |
to go for. How can you be confident that you will get that money back | :46:16. | :46:20. | |
in future years? As you yourself pointed out, these people are | :46:20. | :46:24. | |
brilliant at dodging taxes. Well, what we have done is, we have taken | :46:24. | :46:28. | |
the most realistic estimates of all of these sorts of things, about | :46:28. | :46:31. | |
people's behavioural response to those changes. This is effectively | :46:31. | :46:36. | |
a cashflow issue. If you added up over the years, there is a loss of | :46:36. | :46:40. | |
between �100 million and �200 million over that period. I would | :46:40. | :46:47. | |
say to you that in 2009-10, when we saw people dodging the 50p tax rate, | :46:47. | :46:51. | |
that that cost the Exchequer more than �1 billion. What it does not | :46:51. | :46:58. | |
change is that the underlying cost would be that �100 million a year, | :46:58. | :47:01. | |
and it does not change the fact that the central thrust of this | :47:01. | :47:07. | |
budget is big tax cuts for people on lower and middle incomes. Lots | :47:07. | :47:13. | |
of points to cover, and I will let you back in again, Robert, the age- | :47:13. | :47:20. | |
related personal allowance being phased out, what will that save? | :47:20. | :47:24. | |
2016-17, that will save about �1 billion. What we're doing is | :47:24. | :47:29. | |
simplifying the system, we have got a policy of getting peasant income | :47:29. | :47:35. | |
tax to �10,000, and then it will keep rising beyond that. Rather | :47:35. | :47:40. | |
than asking pensioners to fill in tax returns, it will be much easier | :47:40. | :47:46. | |
to have a single allowance for everybody. It will not be a | :47:46. | :47:50. | |
simplification, but it is effectively a tax rise in pensions. | :47:50. | :47:54. | |
There will be no cash losers from this policy, because it is a | :47:54. | :47:59. | |
freezing of the allowance for existing pensioners. We have also | :47:59. | :48:03. | |
announced the largest increase in the basic state greater pension | :48:03. | :48:06. | |
there has ever been, and also the move to a single tier pension, for | :48:06. | :48:10. | |
the first time, getting rid of a lot of complexity facing pensioners | :48:10. | :48:14. | |
in the means-tested system, and moving to a single figure of about | :48:14. | :48:19. | |
�140 a week for all pensioners. So, there is a lot of simplification. | :48:19. | :48:22. | |
Pensioners will pay more tax on a greater share of their income, than | :48:22. | :48:27. | |
they would have done before the change. What we are doing is saying | :48:27. | :48:32. | |
that for new pensioners, who were reach retirement age from the start | :48:32. | :48:37. | |
of the next financial year, that they should have the same personal | :48:37. | :48:42. | |
allowance, as working people, and of course we are only really one | :48:42. | :48:46. | |
step further away from the 10,000 personal allowance which we as the | :48:46. | :48:51. | |
Liberal Democrats set in our pledge. We are close to that now. We think | :48:51. | :48:56. | |
it is a fair change, and one which does save money, I accept that. | :48:56. | :48:59. | |
the clear, lot of pensioners will be worse off because of that move, | :48:59. | :49:04. | |
will they not? There will be no cash losers, but it does yield some | :49:04. | :49:07. | |
revenue, because we are not uprating the allowance in terms of | :49:07. | :49:11. | |
inflation. More than half of pensioners do not pay tax at all, | :49:11. | :49:15. | |
but of course, there will be some who will have been expecting their | :49:15. | :49:19. | |
allowance to rise, who will not see that. But as soon as the general | :49:19. | :49:24. | |
personal allowance catches up, then those two things will be aligned, | :49:24. | :49:28. | |
which will mean a simpler tax system, but also a fair one, where | :49:28. | :49:32. | |
working people and pensioners will not be differentiated in terms of | :49:32. | :49:38. | |
how much they are allowed to earn before they pay tax. I said within | :49:38. | :49:44. | |
the next few years, we have not set a date. If I said that, I didn't | :49:44. | :49:50. | |
mean to. Over the course of this Parliament, clearly we will have to | :49:50. | :49:57. | |
do another Spending Review. But in a sense, what I was trying to say | :49:57. | :50:02. | |
is that well in advance of that, what we're saying in the Budget | :50:02. | :50:05. | |
today is designed to provoke a bit of a public debate about how we can | :50:06. | :50:09. | |
take those things forward, in the fairest way, and where appropriate, | :50:09. | :50:14. | |
to make savings in the future. Robinson, when you come to analyse | :50:14. | :50:20. | |
this later on, what will you be saying, so that Danny Alexander can | :50:20. | :50:23. | |
answer it, about the political thrust of his Budget and the | :50:23. | :50:26. | |
potential pros and cons for the Government, given the response we | :50:26. | :50:31. | |
have had from Labour today? What is fascinating is that it is a huge | :50:31. | :50:35. | |
political gamble. You are gambling on the fact that because you can | :50:35. | :50:39. | |
say overall the wealthy pay more, that people will tolerate the fact | :50:39. | :50:43. | |
that tens of thousands of very rich people will get a significant tax | :50:43. | :50:48. | |
cut. And Labour on gambling on the fact that they can point at you on | :50:48. | :50:52. | |
the opposite benches and say, which of you guys are going to benefit | :50:52. | :50:56. | |
while other people are suffering? I actually wonder why you think that | :50:56. | :51:01. | |
is a gamble which will pay off? For me, as a Liberal Democrat, it was | :51:01. | :51:05. | |
to get as big an increase in the personal allowance as possible. | :51:05. | :51:10. | |
This helps to make sure that we can go to �9,205, much further than | :51:10. | :51:14. | |
people expected. At a time when families are under pressure, when | :51:14. | :51:19. | |
people really need money to help them with all the issues which | :51:19. | :51:22. | |
families are facing, I think this is the best policy which we have as | :51:22. | :51:26. | |
a government, that any party in this country has, to help people | :51:26. | :51:30. | |
and to encourage work. It is a policy which came from the front | :51:30. | :51:32. | |
page of the Liberal Democrat manifesto, and as a Liberal | :51:32. | :51:35. | |
Democrat, I am very proud of the big step we have made in this | :51:35. | :51:41. | |
Budget. I am being given strict orders to go to go. Thanks for | :51:41. | :51:45. | |
fielding those questions. That was the chief secretary, who will be | :51:45. | :51:50. | |
doing more defending of the Budget in the coming hours. We want some | :51:50. | :51:53. | |
more reaction, and I mentioned that we had business people and people | :51:53. | :51:57. | |
representing other parts of the local community, up in Stratford- | :51:57. | :52:03. | |
Upon-Avon. My colleague Jo Coburn is with them. Over to you. Yes, | :52:03. | :52:09. | |
well, the wheels of industry have continued to turn here at Pashley | :52:09. | :52:12. | |
Cycles in Stratford-Upon-Avon, while the Chancellor was delivering | :52:12. | :52:16. | |
his Budget. He promised it would be a budget for business, let's find | :52:16. | :52:21. | |
out if local business people agree, having watched it with me. I have a | :52:22. | :52:24. | |
representative of the Federation of Small Businesses, someone who runs | :52:24. | :52:29. | |
a restaurant, and somebody who runs a jewellery company. First of all, | :52:29. | :52:32. | |
you mentioned the tax simplification which George Osborne | :52:32. | :52:36. | |
talk about - is that going to make a big difference? It will make a | :52:36. | :52:39. | |
huge difference. We are pleased to see that the Chancellor has taken | :52:39. | :52:45. | |
on board the recommendations by the Office for Tax Simplification. The | :52:45. | :52:48. | |
burden of compliance on tax is a big issue for small businesses. | :52:48. | :52:53. | |
Making it simpler for them an easier and moving to a cash | :52:53. | :52:57. | |
accounting basis will certainly help. Small businesses, in their | :52:57. | :53:04. | |
earning capacity, 77,000 -- �77,000 turnover, that is just where we | :53:04. | :53:09. | |
wanted it to be pitched. One disappointment for us was that a | :53:09. | :53:12. | |
lot has been said about procurement for small businesses. We know that | :53:12. | :53:17. | |
the Government are aiming at 25% of contracts, government contracts, to | :53:17. | :53:22. | |
go to small firms. This is big public sector projects. Absolutely, | :53:22. | :53:26. | |
and there is this pot of money to be spent on them, but what we did | :53:26. | :53:29. | |
not here today is how it is going to be administered and maintained. | :53:29. | :53:33. | |
We would like to see a Small Business Administration department | :53:33. | :53:36. | |
within the Government, at Cabinet level, to oversee this kind of | :53:36. | :53:40. | |
thing, to make sure that small businesses do get a chunk of that | :53:40. | :53:43. | |
pot.. It is all about growth, that is what the Government keep talking | :53:43. | :53:49. | |
about, but in terms of a boost to small businesses, you were talking | :53:49. | :53:55. | |
about national insurance - nothing was done. Nothing at all. The fact | :53:55. | :53:59. | |
that national insurance still sits at 13.8%, it is simply a tax on | :53:59. | :54:03. | |
jobs. A reduction on that would have an immediate impact on cash | :54:03. | :54:08. | |
flow, which would result in us being able to go out and create | :54:08. | :54:13. | |
more jobs, not just the jobs which we are sustaining by keeping our | :54:13. | :54:16. | |
own worked voice on, but by employing the long-term unemployed.. | :54:16. | :54:24. | |
So you would have gone and employed more people? Absolutely. -- our own | :54:24. | :54:33. | |
work force. You have talk about the cap on non-EU immigration - how has | :54:33. | :54:36. | |
that affected you like it it has affected the whole Asian | :54:36. | :54:40. | |
hospitality sector. We are not able to bring over skilled labour from | :54:40. | :54:43. | |
the Asian sub-continent any more. Unfortunately a cap has been put in | :54:44. | :54:49. | |
place, which has not been met with any kind of local Labour, so we | :54:49. | :54:53. | |
have created a vacuum which is not being met by skilled labour being | :54:53. | :55:00. | |
created locally. Skilled labour has now become a shortage. Restaurants | :55:00. | :55:03. | |
and small Asian businesses are simply closing because we do not | :55:03. | :55:08. | |
have the expertise any more. How will you get around that? We have | :55:08. | :55:13. | |
now actually started creating skilled labourer sales, at | :55:13. | :55:17. | |
educating local Labour, and the hope is that within three or four | :55:17. | :55:20. | |
years we will have created our own organic skilled labour. | :55:20. | :55:23. | |
expectation was that the Chancellor might do something more on fuel | :55:23. | :55:28. | |
duty, he didn't... No, that is very duty, he didn't... No, that is very | :55:28. | :55:31. | |
disappointing. It is a subject which needs to be tackled, because | :55:31. | :55:36. | |
every business, everybody needs fuel, to get to a construction site | :55:36. | :55:41. | |
or to any part of their working life. That needs to be tackled now. | :55:41. | :55:45. | |
What about the cut in corporation tax, does that actually help you or | :55:45. | :55:53. | |
your businesses? It definitely helps us, because that 2%, it is a | :55:53. | :55:58. | |
big part of our operations. We know now that we can put that money back | :55:58. | :56:02. | |
into the company. What will you do in terms of growth, when you say | :56:02. | :56:06. | |
you will be able to put it back in good stead it will go into training, | :56:06. | :56:16. | |
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apprentices, and employing people. Verdict, each of you, briefly? | :56:19. | :56:22. | |
Disappointing in many areas, a couple of wins but we would have | :56:22. | :56:26. | |
liked to have seen more. corporation tax cut is welcome but | :56:26. | :56:30. | |
it is not the same size as plc's and large corporations are getting. | :56:30. | :56:35. | |
I would enjoy the 4% which they are getting. Satisfactory for the | :56:35. | :56:39. | |
construction industry, but the fuel, that needed to be looked at, that | :56:39. | :56:46. | |
is disappointing. We are going to bring our expert in now. Let's have | :56:46. | :56:50. | |
a look at some e-mails. This one about the tax thresholds, does the | :56:51. | :56:55. | |
increase in non-taxable income have an impact on the salary level at | :56:55. | :56:59. | |
which 40% income tax is payable? Yes, it does. Although the benefit | :56:59. | :57:04. | |
for people paying basic rate tax would be �220 a year, because the | :57:04. | :57:09. | |
tax allowance will rise by �1,100, the Chancellor said only a quarter | :57:09. | :57:14. | |
of that would go to the people on higher rate tax. Currently it | :57:14. | :57:19. | |
starts at �42,000, that will fall. They have not told us how much yet, | :57:19. | :57:22. | |
but it will fall quite significantly. Current% tax will be | :57:22. | :57:27. | |
payable by more people as a result. Also pensioners will suffer, | :57:27. | :57:31. | |
because the extra tax allowance for the over-65s is going to be frozen | :57:31. | :57:39. | |
and phased out, anyone who reaches 65 after a certain date will not | :57:39. | :57:43. | |
get the tax allowance. One other issue widely discussed was child | :57:43. | :57:46. | |
benefit, and there has been an awful lot of lobbying about changes | :57:46. | :57:51. | |
to that. We have got an e-mail from someone in Cheshire, I have | :57:51. | :57:54. | |
recently become a father, and whilst I am a higher rate taxpayer, | :57:54. | :57:58. | |
my wife does not work and finances are tight. The poorly thought- | :57:58. | :58:01. | |
through approach to cutting Balfron if it is something I feel strongly | :58:01. | :58:08. | |
about. -- to cutting child benefit is something I feel strongly about. | :58:08. | :58:12. | |
As long as the higher earner in a couple earns less than �50,000, | :58:12. | :58:16. | |
child benefit do not be affected. As soon as the higher earner earns | :58:16. | :58:22. | |
more than �50,000, that person will be taxed to take away 1% of the | :58:22. | :58:28. | |
child benefit for every �100. That could be an extra tax charge of | :58:28. | :58:32. | |
17.5%, if you have two children. It will not be a cliff edge, but a | :58:32. | :58:37. | |
series of steps to fall down. By the time the higher earner has | :58:37. | :58:40. | |
�60,000, it will have disappeared completely. The problem still | :58:40. | :58:45. | |
remains, how do you know who's in a couple. HMRC does not have those | :58:45. | :58:49. | |
records, so people will have to be honest about whether they live with | :58:49. | :58:52. | |
someone, whether that person has children, whether that person gets | :58:52. | :59:02. | |
| :59:02. | :59:03. | ||
child benefit. That's all from last year for the moment. Thank you very | :59:03. | :59:08. | |
much and thanks to our guests in Stratford-Upon-Avon. We will keep | :59:08. | :59:12. | |
on with responses away from Westminster. We can go over to the | :59:12. | :59:18. | |
City, to join Susannah Streeter. No surprises here, because of many of | :59:18. | :59:22. | |
those measures were trailed beforehand. We did get more detail | :59:22. | :59:25. | |
on how much the Government was going to pay back out of the | :59:25. | :59:28. | |
deficit, and we got those details about tax breaks for certain | :59:28. | :59:31. | |
sectors of industry, the creative industry, the pharmaceutical | :59:31. | :59:36. | |
industry... We can have a chat with Jaime now to hear some more about | :59:36. | :59:41. | |
the bond markets. I think it was good news for the UK debt market. | :59:41. | :59:50. | |
We know that until 2016-17, there will be �11 billion less of gilts | :59:50. | :59:58. | |
issued. However, the markets have been quite muted. We saw a little | :59:58. | :00:01. | |
bit of an upsurge when the Chancellor started to talk, but in | :00:01. | :00:07. | |
the longer term chuck, it is a very muted movement. When we go to the | :00:07. | :00:13. | |
creative industries, this is a prize for ITV, you can see that | :00:13. | :00:16. | |
when that allowance for creative industry was made, we saw the stock | :00:17. | :00:23. | |
going higher, to its highest of the day. Of course, ITV has had success | :00:23. | :00:26. | |
recently with productions like Downton Abbey, being exported | :00:26. | :00:29. | |
abroad, something the Chancellor wants to see more of. He also wants | :00:29. | :00:32. | |
more money to be raised by increased stamp duty on very | :00:32. | :00:42. | |
| :00:42. | :00:43. | ||
Let's talk to a City analyst. How will it boost spending and growth? | :00:43. | :00:47. | |
I like to call it the Chelsea tax. The hope is that those on lower | :00:47. | :00:51. | |
incomes will have enough money to buy new cookers and maybe buy new | :00:51. | :00:55. | |
cars and buy new things and get the economy going. That's the hope, but | :00:55. | :00:59. | |
that's more of a long-term prospect than a short one. | :00:59. | :01:02. | |
What was missing in the Budget? was the short-term effect. It takes | :01:02. | :01:07. | |
too long for these things to take take effect. We need money quickly. | :01:07. | :01:10. | |
Remember, we have had announcements like this before. It is the | :01:10. | :01:15. | |
execution that is the problem and right now we have no indication of | :01:15. | :01:19. | |
execution. You talk about the credit easing | :01:19. | :01:23. | |
measures announced. Do you feel it is too similar to what has been | :01:23. | :01:27. | |
announced before? We have announced it but getting the money to the | :01:27. | :01:31. | |
public is the hardest thing and we have no indication that it will | :01:31. | :01:33. | |
happen any better this time than before. | :01:33. | :01:36. | |
What do you think of the Budget? am happy. Long-term, we are going | :01:36. | :01:40. | |
to make the UK the centre of the creative industries. We are going | :01:40. | :01:44. | |
to make it the centre of pharmaceutical industries. The | :01:44. | :01:49. | |
centre of the IT industries and the centre of hi-tech. But we have got | :01:49. | :01:52. | |
to get there and and that's the challenge now. | :01:52. | :01:57. | |
Thank you very much. So that's the real challenge particularly really | :01:57. | :02:02. | |
for UK Plc at the moment with the economy still sluggish and the rate | :02:02. | :02:06. | |
of unemployment still high. The effect on the markets for now | :02:06. | :02:10. | |
relatively muted, of course, it will be the external factors which | :02:10. | :02:15. | |
will weigh down on the markets. More on what is happening on the | :02:15. | :02:20. | |
euro debt crisis and the US recovery as well. That's all for me | :02:20. | :02:27. | |
Susannah Streeter in the City. You are watching live coverage and | :02:27. | :02:32. | |
analysis, response to the Chancellor's speech on BBC Two and | :02:32. | :02:35. | |
on the BBC News Channel. I have to say goodbye to viewers in | :02:35. | :02:44. | |
Scotland because it is time for you to join Andrew Kerr with Politics | :02:44. | :02:51. | |
Scotland. We will see you later on. If you have just roind us, -- | :02:51. | :02:55. | |
joined us, let's bring you up-to- date and pick up with Stephanie | :02:55. | :02:58. | |
Flanders and Nick Robinson and Robert Peston. If you have just | :02:58. | :03:01. | |
come in, this is what George Osborne announced. One of the | :03:01. | :03:07. | |
biggest headlines, the 50 pence top income tax rate is to be cut to 45 | :03:07. | :03:11. | |
pence in the pound. That's from April next year. Income tax, | :03:11. | :03:18. | |
personal allowance to be increased by a big amount to �9,200 in April | :03:18. | :03:23. | |
2013. That change coming in a year's time and the age related | :03:23. | :03:27. | |
personal allowance to be phased out. We discussed the impact on that | :03:27. | :03:31. | |
with pensioners with Danny Alexander a short while ago. | :03:31. | :03:35. | |
More main measures from the Budget Speech. Child benefit withdrawn | :03:35. | :03:40. | |
from people earning over �50,000. That is an adjustment to the | :03:40. | :03:44. | |
original scheme so fewer people now caught in this proposal. And for | :03:44. | :03:49. | |
those earning over �60, there will be no child benefit. A new stamp | :03:49. | :03:54. | |
duty rate of 7%. That is on properties above �2 million. | :03:54. | :03:59. | |
In the world of business, corporation tax is to be cut to 24% | :03:59. | :04:04. | |
from April this year and by 2014, it will be down to 22%. | :04:04. | :04:09. | |
So those are the main measures. We have been joined by Paul Johnson, | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
director of the IFS, the Institute of Fiscal stewedies. Paul, it is | :04:13. | :04:16. | |
good to have you on Budget Day. We have been talking to Danny | :04:16. | :04:19. | |
Alexander about the impact of the changes. Let's go through some of | :04:19. | :04:24. | |
them if we can. First of all, the rational, the logic they are | :04:24. | :04:27. | |
proposing to offer people on the cut in the top rate, is that | :04:27. | :04:31. | |
something that made sense? Does the fact that it is not yielding a lot | :04:31. | :04:34. | |
of money make sense to you, is that something that would be applicable | :04:34. | :04:40. | |
in two or three years time if they kept up with it? The rational makes | :04:40. | :04:43. | |
sense. We haven't had a chance to check through the numbers. We have | :04:43. | :04:47. | |
said it will be hard to tell from one year's data. What was striking | :04:47. | :04:51. | |
about what the Chancellor said was the sheer scale of the amount of | :04:51. | :04:54. | |
money that got taken forward into the previous year, �16 billion of | :04:54. | :04:58. | |
money taken forward. That does mean the first year is going to be | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
different to future years and what he may have calculated if he looked | :05:02. | :05:07. | |
at a it year later may have been different, but that said, what the | :05:07. | :05:12. | |
HMRC have calculated is not dissimilar to what we at the IFS | :05:12. | :05:15. | |
calculated based on what happened in the 1980s. | :05:15. | :05:21. | |
So given that then and given that the you seem to share that | :05:21. | :05:26. | |
reasoning, what he has put in place, does that make sense? As you see | :05:26. | :05:29. | |
the adjustments made elsewhere, what do you make of the overall | :05:29. | :05:36. | |
shape of the Budget? The overall shape does depend on what the | :05:36. | :05:39. | |
behavioural response, reducing from 50 to 45 pence, whether that is | :05:40. | :05:43. | |
going to change the behaviour very much of people in terms of their | :05:43. | :05:47. | |
avoidance, it is difficult to know. He has done this big increase in | :05:47. | :05:50. | |
stamp duty for the very most expensive properties. That's | :05:50. | :05:53. | |
probably going to have a big effect on reducing the amount of | :05:53. | :05:56. | |
transactions that happen at that end of the market and he has to be | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
very confident that he is really going to clamp down on those tax | :05:59. | :06:02. | |
avoidance schemes that he is trying to clamp down on because the | :06:02. | :06:05. | |
incentive to avoid tax now is so much more than it was before. You | :06:06. | :06:09. | |
might think he would be better off making sure that the tax avoidance | :06:09. | :06:13. | |
scheme worked before he tried to up the tax on it. | :06:13. | :06:17. | |
When we look at the savings projected for example on welfare | :06:17. | :06:21. | |
which seemed to be very, very significant. Again, how can people | :06:21. | :06:24. | |
be confident? How do you think the projections are going to be | :06:24. | :06:27. | |
credible given the fact this they have returned to this problem time | :06:27. | :06:32. | |
and time time again, tax avoidance is another issue which we get in | :06:32. | :06:35. | |
every Budget and people are sceptical about the real impact and | :06:35. | :06:38. | |
the real results you will get from them? Well, my understanding of | :06:38. | :06:41. | |
what he said about savings and welfare was that in order to | :06:41. | :06:45. | |
achieve the same level of cuts in public service spending after 2015, | :06:45. | :06:51. | |
as we have had the next couple of years, he needs to make �10 billion | :06:51. | :06:55. | |
of saving in welfare and that, I think, is pencilling or warning us | :06:55. | :06:59. | |
that when it comes to the next Spending Review, he will be looking | :06:59. | :07:03. | |
at welfare as well as health, education, defence and those kinds | :07:03. | :07:07. | |
of things and where he is going to look within welfare, given the cuts | :07:07. | :07:10. | |
he has already made is less clear. Robert. | :07:10. | :07:14. | |
You haven't had as much time as you would like to crunch the numbers. | :07:14. | :07:17. | |
Is there a particular group that you think will be significantly | :07:17. | :07:21. | |
worse off as a result of this? Clearly, people who are moving | :07:21. | :07:27. | |
houses with �2 million houses, higher rate taxpayers are going to | :07:27. | :07:30. | |
be less well off than they might have expected as a result of the | :07:30. | :07:36. | |
increase in the personal allowance, the benefits to that, not much | :07:36. | :07:43. | |
benefit to higher rate taxpayers and the start which you start to | :07:43. | :07:45. | |
pay tax will come down significantly to make sure that | :07:45. | :07:49. | |
such groups don't gain a lot. If you were in the middle of the | :07:50. | :07:53. | |
income spectrum, how do you think this affects you? If you are not a | :07:53. | :07:58. | |
higher rate taxpayer, you will gain next year from the increase in the | :07:58. | :08:02. | |
personal allowance and that is the biggest change for most people in | :08:02. | :08:06. | |
this Budget so that is a small bonus. | :08:06. | :08:10. | |
And if you are a headteacher or somebody above? If you are a | :08:10. | :08:16. | |
headteacher or somebody above the 40 pence threshold, you will gain a | :08:16. | :08:20. | |
smaller amount. It means that more people will be brought into that 40 | :08:20. | :08:24. | |
pence band. A lot more more people. There is a big change to the tax | :08:24. | :08:30. | |
system over time. Relative to what we expected people between �40,000 | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
and �50,000 with child benefit will keep that child benefit, whereas | :08:34. | :08:37. | |
those earning above �60,000 will lose all of it. | :08:37. | :08:42. | |
Nick, that massively outweighs any effect of the tax allowance. If you | :08:42. | :08:48. | |
are one of those people people who breathe a sigh of relief that you | :08:48. | :08:56. | |
will keep your child benefit? tax allowance numbers are very beer. | :08:56. | :09:01. | |
Child benefit For one child is �1,000. Child benefit for | :09:01. | :09:07. | |
additional children are �750. People on �60,000 with three or | :09:07. | :09:17. | |
| :09:17. | :09:17. | ||
four children are the biggest leers. -- losers. Price His priority was | :09:17. | :09:21. | |
the tax allowance and the people affected. If you are looking at the | :09:21. | :09:25. | |
tax system, would you say it was a good way of giving people sort of a | :09:25. | :09:29. | |
broad based tax relief or would you have said maybe there were better | :09:29. | :09:33. | |
ways? I could ask you the same question about stamp duty is that a | :09:33. | :09:36. | |
good way to raise money from property or would you like them to | :09:36. | :09:39. | |
raise it a different way? If you are just changing income taxs | :09:39. | :09:44. | |
that's not a bad way of giving money to people on low incomes. It | :09:44. | :09:48. | |
is an expensive way of doing it. If what you are really concerned about | :09:48. | :09:53. | |
is increasing incomes and you want to do that through something roar - | :09:53. | :09:58. | |
- other than the the income tax, you can do more with tax credits. | :09:58. | :10:02. | |
The Liberal Democrats are really concerned about the working poor | :10:02. | :10:05. | |
they would have probably gone for tax credits. | :10:05. | :10:09. | |
The working poor and those with children do a lot better out of tax | :10:09. | :10:12. | |
credits and those have been cut over the last couple of years, | :10:12. | :10:16. | |
particularly for people in the �40,000 range because they did | :10:16. | :10:19. | |
until recently extent that far. Your question on property is an | :10:19. | :10:26. | |
interesting one. If you really want to get money from reallyics really | :10:26. | :10:33. | |
expensive property, a good way of doing it is the mansion tax. And | :10:33. | :10:37. | |
most likely more and more people with really expensive properties | :10:37. | :10:41. | |
will stay in them until they die and pass them on to their children | :10:41. | :10:48. | |
children rather than down sizing. This is a �140,000 bill. | :10:48. | :10:51. | |
Economists say the problem with Britain is it doesn't tax property | :10:51. | :10:55. | |
enough because we are in love with our house and we don't have capital | :10:55. | :11:01. | |
gains on our first residence. You would say even though it is raising | :11:01. | :11:07. | |
money, you shouldn't do that? better to do something more like | :11:07. | :11:11. | |
was described in the Mansion House, to get more from properties that | :11:11. | :11:14. | |
are expensive. We under tax that group of properties. This happens | :11:14. | :11:18. | |
to be a bad way of doing it. It is great to talk to you. | :11:18. | :11:21. | |
Fascinating. We are out of time. Thank you very much for coming in | :11:21. | :11:27. | |
to share your thoughts on the Budget. Paul Johnson there. | :11:27. | :11:35. | |
Let's join Jon, who is outside on I am with Plaid Cymru and the SNP. | :11:35. | :11:39. | |
I asked Jonathan Edwards what he would like to talk about and he | :11:39. | :11:47. | |
said the rugby and Jonathan said anything other than the rugby. What | :11:47. | :11:52. | |
will be the reaction be in Wales? The major figure was the OBR advice | :11:52. | :11:57. | |
projection of growth which is 0.7%. This compares with a figure they | :11:57. | :12:01. | |
projected in May 2010 of 2.8% and this shows that austerity isn't | :12:01. | :12:04. | |
working. There are only 10% of the way through the cuts and the | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
reality is that the overrating view of the economy and the current | :12:08. | :12:12. | |
coalition is they are sucking demand out of the economy. | :12:12. | :12:16. | |
Angus, I know Alex Salmond met David Cameron to to talk about what | :12:16. | :12:23. | |
he wanted. Did you hear much to please you? For most of us, we | :12:23. | :12:27. | |
learnt much of what was in the Budget in the newspapers, but the | :12:27. | :12:30. | |
failure for me is on fairness and on growth. So you are right, the | :12:30. | :12:34. | |
First Minister met with David Cameron to talk about projects, | :12:34. | :12:39. | |
things that would keep pro employment up and things that would | :12:39. | :12:41. | |
boost growth and unfortunately, the Prime Minister and the Chancellor | :12:41. | :12:45. | |
of the Exchequer, the Government had nothing to announce on that and | :12:45. | :12:49. | |
on fairness, it is back to the 1980s, we are seeing a Tory | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
Government, neither the people of Wales or Scotland voted for, | :12:53. | :12:55. | |
cutting taxes for the richest whilst attacking the poorest in | :12:56. | :12:58. | |
society. It is not what we want and that's the reason why we look | :12:58. | :13:00. | |
forward to our independence referendum. | :13:00. | :13:06. | |
I want to get reaction to the view on regional pay. That's worrying | :13:06. | :13:10. | |
for us in Wales and Scotland and in Cornwall. What we are talking about | :13:10. | :13:14. | |
here is a tax cut for those earning more than �3,000 a week and | :13:14. | :13:19. | |
regional pay which will institutional these areas as low | :13:19. | :13:25. | |
wage economies in the public and private sector. | :13:25. | :13:31. | |
Angus? The UK Government is giving a tax cut to its supporters so the | :13:31. | :13:41. | |
richest in society and it is and Pennalising the poorest. We didn't | :13:41. | :13:44. | |
vote for the Tories, but we have a Tory Government taking just wait | :13:44. | :13:50. | |
for it �50 billion in North Sea Oil revenues, but treating the poorest | :13:50. | :13:55. | |
in society worst whilst giving a tax cut to the rich. Time for a yes | :13:55. | :13:58. | |
vote in our independence referendum. Bring it on! | :13:58. | :14:04. | |
Huw, more reaction from here, but Jon Sopel there. | :14:04. | :14:07. | |
We will get response too from Northern Ireland because it is | :14:07. | :14:12. | |
important to see what impact there of the Budget is as perceived and | :14:12. | :14:15. | |
Jim Fitzpatrick can tell us more about. Jim, how do you see it | :14:15. | :14:17. | |
there? Well, here in Northern Ireland some of the things that | :14:18. | :14:21. | |
have been grabbing the headlines across the water, don't have much | :14:21. | :14:24. | |
impact here. For instance, that 50 pence rate, how many people pay | :14:24. | :14:29. | |
that rate here? Well only 4,000. So, yes, benefit, but it is a small | :14:29. | :14:37. | |
number. Indeed, the 7% stamp duty rate, out of a troll of our housing | :14:37. | :14:42. | |
websites, there will be only two houses on the market that that | :14:42. | :14:48. | |
would attract that rate. Where there will be an impact is the | :14:48. | :14:51. | |
personal allowance. That will have a big impact. The Treasury says | :14:51. | :14:56. | |
that will take 25,000 people out of tax. It will benefit another | :14:56. | :15:00. | |
600,000 odd people. One of the concerns would be regional pay. | :15:00. | :15:03. | |
What the Chancellor said on that was limited so people people will | :15:03. | :15:06. | |
be looking at the detail, but again we are a public sector economy in | :15:06. | :15:09. | |
Northern Ireland and the differential between the the | :15:09. | :15:13. | |
private sector and the public sector in pay is big. If that | :15:13. | :15:17. | |
established the principle of regional or localised pay it might | :15:17. | :15:19. | |
be something that public sector workers here would be concerned | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
about. Jim, thank you very much. | :15:23. | :15:33. | |
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The shadow -- Shadow Chancellor has joined us. This 50p rate - let's | :15:41. | :15:45. | |
start with this. It is a useless tax, it is bringing nothing in, so | :15:45. | :15:51. | |
it has been scrapped. The logic of that? What do you make of it? | :15:51. | :15:55. | |
important to be absolutely clear what the Government are doing here. | :15:55. | :15:58. | |
What they are doing and the documents confirm, they are cutting | :15:58. | :16:02. | |
taxes for 300,000 top-rate taxpayers. It confirms the ost of | :16:02. | :16:09. | |
that next year will be �3 billion. They are giving �10,000 to every | :16:09. | :16:11. | |
top-rate taxpayer. They are gambling that if you give �10,000 | :16:11. | :16:16. | |
to the richest people who currently pay tax, they will be able to | :16:16. | :16:19. | |
recoup �2.9 billion from people who currently are not paying tax | :16:19. | :16:23. | |
because they are offshore, or avoiding tax. The problem is, | :16:23. | :16:28. | |
there's no certainty they will get that money. The actual tax cut to | :16:28. | :16:31. | |
existing taxpayers is six times what they are raising on stamp duty | :16:31. | :16:37. | |
and tax avoidance. Will they get this money in? Well the IFS said, | :16:37. | :16:42. | |
just a few weeks ago "that this Budget is too soon to form a robust | :16:42. | :16:47. | |
judgment." Even the OBR says it is highly uncertain. If they don't get | :16:47. | :16:51. | |
this response it will cost billions more. The question for David | :16:51. | :16:56. | |
Cameron and for George Osborne and Nick Clegg is, is it really right | :16:56. | :17:00. | |
when families are under pressure losing tax credits, child benefit | :17:00. | :17:07. | |
to gamble that if you give the millionaire �40,000, an average | :17:07. | :17:10. | |
top-rate taxpayer �10,000. Spend �3 billion on that - is it right to | :17:10. | :17:15. | |
gamble, making the rich richer, will somehow pull in all this extra | :17:15. | :17:20. | |
tax revenue? There is no evidence for this at all. The IFS don't have | :17:20. | :17:24. | |
the evidence. Why are they gamblging that making the rich -- | :17:24. | :17:29. | |
gambling that making the rich richer will make us all better off? | :17:29. | :17:35. | |
That rate is not bringing in virtually anything. It is not | :17:35. | :17:40. | |
working in its current form. Do you accept the figures, they published, | :17:40. | :17:46. | |
they do show that? I accept the figures they publish which do not | :17:46. | :17:50. | |
show that. The HMRC document says "the cost of the top-rate tax cut | :17:50. | :17:57. | |
is �3 billion next year. �3.3 the next year. | :17:57. | :18:04. | |
"What is it yielding? What it has been yielding? It takes one or two | :18:04. | :18:08. | |
years to build up the yield. The original costs was �1.3 billion. | :18:08. | :18:14. | |
They have nobgd it down to �1 -- knocked it down to �1 billion. It | :18:14. | :18:23. | |
is the HMRC who say it is �10,000 for every top-rate taxpayer. They | :18:23. | :18:27. | |
gamble if you give a huge tax cut to the richest, somehow it will | :18:27. | :18:31. | |
make all these people offshore, not paying tax, come forward and say, | :18:31. | :18:36. | |
all right I will cuff up by �2.9 billion. If that is the logic you | :18:36. | :18:41. | |
will reverse it when you come to Government? The IFS say it is too | :18:41. | :18:46. | |
early to take this gamble. Would we take a gamble now, to give �3 | :18:46. | :18:50. | |
billion to the richest, when families are losing their tax | :18:50. | :18:55. | |
credits? In this pen Budget they are hitting pensions for -- in this | :18:55. | :19:01. | |
Budget they are hitting pensions. Nick? Are you suggesting the quote | :19:01. | :19:02. | |
from the Office for Budget Responsibility, that the Chancellor | :19:02. | :19:08. | |
used, that these numbers were acceptable, his claim there was | :19:08. | :19:11. | |
only �100 million cost net of making this change, that the OBR | :19:11. | :19:14. | |
have been misled, or they are wrong? Or they have allowed | :19:14. | :19:18. | |
themselves to be used? Well the OBR report says these figures are | :19:18. | :19:22. | |
highly uncertain. In their report they oh, they say | :19:22. | :19:31. | |
if it turns out you don't get a rush of people saying they want to | :19:31. | :19:38. | |
pay the tax It could end up costing billions more. He was quoting the | :19:38. | :19:41. | |
Office for Budget Responsibility and what we used to call the Inland | :19:41. | :19:47. | |
Revenue, the HMRC, as giving the figures hafplt is going on here? Do | :19:47. | :19:53. | |
you think he -- what is going on here? In the distributional | :19:53. | :19:57. | |
analysis they exclude the 50p rate. They don't want to reveal it is | :19:57. | :20:03. | |
�10,000 for every taxpayer. The OBR are quoting an HMRC report. I have | :20:03. | :20:07. | |
always said the OBR should have done this report, because like the | :20:07. | :20:13. | |
IFS they would have been much more cautious. It is not an OBR report. | :20:13. | :20:19. | |
The OBR take the HMRC estimate of the net effect of �100 million. Say, | :20:19. | :20:27. | |
OK, we will score that, and it is uncertain. That �100 million is | :20:27. | :20:33. | |
base based on hoping somehow in a right-wing kind of way we'll have, | :20:33. | :20:38. | |
what they call a laugh curb, people will say, all right, I want to pay | :20:38. | :20:43. | |
more tax. I am very sceptical of that. What you seem to be saying | :20:43. | :20:47. | |
that all the tax avoidance which has taken place, so the richer | :20:47. | :20:52. | |
people don't pay the 50p tax, you are saying you don't think they | :20:52. | :20:56. | |
will change their behaviour. That they will decide that 45p they will | :20:56. | :21:00. | |
pay the tax. In acknowledging there has been this massive tax avoidance, | :21:00. | :21:04. | |
aren't you saying that your Government was wrong to introduce | :21:04. | :21:10. | |
the tax? That is the logic, isn't it? George Osborne's report says by | :21:10. | :21:14. | |
delaying the top rate of tax coming in for a year, it costs him �2.4 | :21:14. | :21:19. | |
billion. It is the case when you introduce a new tax rate there are | :21:19. | :21:23. | |
behavioural effects in forestalling. We said it would raise �2.4 billion. | :21:23. | :21:30. | |
Actually, they say this report cutting it by 5% will cost �3 | :21:30. | :21:33. | |
billion. �3 billion next year and a gamble on this effect. There's no | :21:33. | :21:40. | |
evidence for this at all. A lot of people watching will see something | :21:40. | :21:44. | |
which you could not see with the average Gordon Brown Budget. They | :21:44. | :21:48. | |
will see something has been announced, maybe they don't like | :21:48. | :21:52. | |
the rate of the 50p rate going down, but they will hear the Office for | :21:52. | :21:55. | |
Budget Responsibility thinks it is OK. They will hear they will a big | :21:55. | :21:58. | |
increase in their personal allowance next year. Are you | :21:58. | :22:04. | |
opposing that? Isn't that how most will see this is going on? There is | :22:04. | :22:08. | |
something complicated with top rate tax, but at least I am getting a | :22:09. | :22:12. | |
tax cut? The economy barely changes. The big change is private | :22:12. | :22:16. | |
investment will be lower for the next few years, even after the | :22:16. | :22:20. | |
corporate tax cut. What the Chancellor is doing is taking a tax | :22:20. | :22:23. | |
rise on pensioners, plus savings from Afghanistan, and using that | :22:23. | :22:27. | |
for personal allowance. I think we should be honest about it. | :22:27. | :22:31. | |
Pensioners will pay more tax as a result of this Budget. The third | :22:31. | :22:35. | |
thing he's doing, is he says I can cut the top rate of tax and nobody | :22:35. | :22:40. | |
will notice, because he believes if I give the legitimate millionaire | :22:40. | :22:43. | |
�40,000, that will be OK, because other millionaires who are | :22:43. | :22:48. | |
currently avoiding tax will come in and cuff up their share as well. My | :22:48. | :22:53. | |
point -- cough up their share as well. Do you want to live in a | :22:53. | :22:59. | |
society where we incense fiez the richest by giving -- incense tiez | :22:59. | :23:02. | |
the richest is by giving them tax cuts, while you say to people on | :23:02. | :23:07. | |
low and middle incomes, the only way we will do this to you is by | :23:07. | :23:12. | |
making you poorer, we are taking away your tax credits, your child | :23:12. | :23:17. | |
benefit. Come on - the richest gain tens of thousands from this Budget. | :23:17. | :23:22. | |
I am really sorry, guys. We have to move on. Ed, thank you for coming | :23:22. | :23:25. | |
in. Good to see you, the Shadow Chancellor there. I have got to get | :23:25. | :23:28. | |
in some more reaction basically. It's important to get it in as well | :23:28. | :23:31. | |
from people who are not at Westminster, people who will feel | :23:32. | :23:38. | |
the effects of these policies. Let's go back to Jo in Stratford- | :23:38. | :23:40. | |
upon-Avon. Thank you. People here are | :23:40. | :23:45. | |
absorbing the details of the Budget delivered by George Osborne, busy | :23:45. | :23:52. | |
working, all day as they have been on the factory floor. Fiona, who | :23:52. | :23:56. | |
runs one of the oldest family businesses in the world. Gerry D | :23:57. | :24:02. | |
nurbgs n and Yvonne from the Citizens Advice Bureau. Show us | :24:02. | :24:08. | |
some of your medals - because your company makes buttons and other | :24:08. | :24:16. | |
military medals as well. We are with two warrant holders making the | :24:16. | :24:19. | |
Queen's jubilee medal, the Diamond Jubilee medal, which is very | :24:19. | :24:24. | |
special. You must have crafted skillsmen? You take on apprentices? | :24:24. | :24:29. | |
We would like to take on more, but they are expensive people. We have | :24:29. | :24:33. | |
very lowly paid staff. So it is very, very difficult. We have very | :24:33. | :24:37. | |
low margins. Very difficult for us to afford to take on as many as we | :24:37. | :24:41. | |
would like. What would you like the Government to have announced? | :24:41. | :24:44. | |
would like a number of things. Particularly I would like more help | :24:44. | :24:49. | |
in terms of firms like us, being encouraged, being helped in terms | :24:49. | :24:53. | |
of improving our capital investment, improving our plant, but also being | :24:53. | :24:57. | |
able to be awarded Government contracts with good margins for | :24:57. | :25:00. | |
instance, instead of them going overseas. Those sort of things. | :25:00. | :25:06. | |
Gerry, as far as you are concerned, personal tax allowances, good news | :25:06. | :25:10. | |
for people at the lower end of the scale, in your mind? I think so. | :25:10. | :25:14. | |
Some of the good sides is that the personal allowance will actually | :25:14. | :25:19. | |
increase significantly next year, which allows those in the bottom | :25:19. | :25:21. | |
margin to take home more money. When you look at the middle | :25:22. | :25:25. | |
management people, who are earning at a certain level, then you start | :25:25. | :25:32. | |
to see that currently now the child allowance drops straight off. Those | :25:32. | :25:35. | |
with company vehicles, they are significantly increased year in, | :25:35. | :25:39. | |
year out. You are paying more tax. People in the middle range will | :25:39. | :25:45. | |
actually be worse off. Yvonne, what about the people you see on a daily | :25:45. | :25:48. | |
basis? Will they welcome that raising of the threshold, the point | :25:48. | :25:55. | |
you start to pay tax? People will think it will make people better | :25:55. | :26:01. | |
off. Poorer families not earning up to �9,000, it will have no help to | :26:01. | :26:05. | |
at all. For those families who are dependant on help with their rent | :26:05. | :26:13. | |
and council tax, they will only be able to gain 15% of everybody else | :26:13. | :26:18. | |
would obtain. I would urge the Government so work does pay for | :26:18. | :26:22. | |
everybody. Thank you all very much. Let's go over to our expert. Can we | :26:22. | :26:28. | |
talk about that �10 billion more in savings to the welfare Budget that | :26:28. | :26:34. | |
George Osborne announced. He would have to make another �20 billion | :26:34. | :26:39. | |
savings even if departments are cutting as they are. Bad news for | :26:39. | :26:43. | |
people who depend on welfare benefits. This, talking about age- | :26:43. | :26:47. | |
related pensioner's tax allowances. Is that a tax rise? No, it is for | :26:47. | :26:51. | |
some people in effect. At the moment people over 65 get a higher | :26:51. | :26:56. | |
tax allowance. Around about �10,000. The Chancellor says anyone who | :26:56. | :27:00. | |
reaches 65 after 6th April, 2013, will not get that. People who | :27:00. | :27:05. | |
currently get it, it will be frozen. That is in effect a tax rise for | :27:05. | :27:09. | |
some pensioners, yes. Thank you. Back to the studio. | :27:09. | :27:14. | |
Thank you very much. Thanks again to your guests. We have very, | :27:14. | :27:20. | |
little time left. I will ask the impossible. I will ask Robert and | :27:20. | :27:30. | |
| :27:30. | :27:55. | ||
Nick Robinson to say something It is very exposed. Vulnerable to | :27:55. | :28:00. | |
this big picture, but a very important political one. It is a | :28:00. | :28:03. | |
Budget which will not shape the economy, I suspect, but shape | :28:03. | :28:06. | |
politics. It is a huge political gamble. The Chancellor is saying, | :28:06. | :28:10. | |
if I give a lot to millions of people they won't mind that some | :28:10. | :28:14. | |
very rich people get a lot of money in a tax cut. Labour are saying, oh, | :28:15. | :28:19. | |
no, millionaires getting money, that is not acceptable in this era. | :28:19. | :28:23. | |
Nobody knows which way the gamble will go. Thank you. That brings the | :28:23. | :28:27. | |
coverage to an end for now. Of course there'll be more debate on | :28:27. | :28:31. | |
the BBC News channel and of course you can follow all of the blogs | :28:31. | :28:35. |