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It's 11:30, Wednesday

November the 22nd.

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In 60 minutes, Chancellor Phillip

Hammond will deliver the first

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Autumn Budget for over 20 years.

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As we head towards life

outside the European Union,

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can Spreadsheet Phil move

beyond the numbers and tell us

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about the shape of things to come?

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Good morning, live from Westminster.

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Welcome to our special coverage

of this Autumn Budget of 2017.

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The last Chancellor to deliver

a Budget as the leaves turned brown

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was Kenneth Clarke back in 1996.

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The following year, Labour's

new Chancellor, a young chap

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called Gordon Brown,

delivered a summer Budget

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following his party's

landslide election victory.

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After that, Budgets took place

in the early spring and have

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remained there ever since.

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Until today.

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Well, just a few minutes ago,

the Chancellor emerged from Number

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11 Downing Street with the special

red box containing

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the Budget speech.

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The red box goes all the way back to

Gladstone when he was Chancellor.

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The Chancellor was accompanied

by his Treasury team,

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including Elizabeth Truss,

the Chief Secretary,

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and his deputy in the department.

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We'll be speaking to her once

the Budget has been revealed.

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The Chancellor will have to sit

through PMQs at noon.

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He'll be on his feet by 12:30,

assuming the Speaker sticks to time.

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Stay with us as we bring

you the Budget in full,

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expert analysis and reaction

from across the political spectrum.

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I'm outside Parliament,

gauging reaction from leading

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political figures and assessing how

Westminster will respond

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to today's Budget.

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I'm in Peterborough, at a leading

manufacturer of lorry trailers.

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The Government has big plans

to promote growth in this area

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so what will businesses in this

region

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make of today's announcements?

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And the Budget will have a big

impact on your personal finances.

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I'll be taking your questions on how

it affects you and your family.

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Keeping me company,

and keeping me right,

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throughout today's four-hour

special, a trio of BBC expertise

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at its finest.

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Political editor Laura Kuenssberg,

economics editor Kamal Ahmed,

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and business editor Simon Jack.

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As well as their on-air comments,

they'll be providing plenty

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of thoughts on social media

as the speech unfolds.

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If you want to join the Twitter

conversation,

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use the hashtag #Budget2017.

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You can also email us

at [email protected].

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We'll try and put some

of your tweets and emails

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to our experts during the programme.

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Well, the Treasury has given

this Budget a name -

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it's called Building

a Britain Fit for the Future.

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It just trips off the tongue!

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Think of it as Philip

Hammond's version of

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the long-term economic plan.

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Remember that?

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The Cabinet have been meeting

in Downing Street this morning

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where the Chancellor

presented his Budget.

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Of course, they can only

rubber-stamp it now. It is too late

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to change anything. He told Cabinet

colleagues he would set out a vision

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for post-Brexit Britain. That would

allow the country to grasp the

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opportunities that leaving the EU

provides. A vision from Philip

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Hammond. Stay tuned for that. Laura,

all budgets are political but this

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one has a high political bar to

climb. It from what I see it is

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meant to stabilise a shaky

government, stabilise a shaky Prime

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Minister, but keep the Chancellor in

his job.

And as much as it has a

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high bar of what it needs to

achieve, it has a pretty low bar in

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terms of the scale of measures we

actually expect. I think the biggest

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thing for Philip Hammond to do today

is not dropped the ball, not mess

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up. Yes, the government is pretty

shaky, bit wobbly, fragile

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certainly, probably the best word of

use -- the best word to use about

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the state of affairs. There are

people in the Tory party, sitting on

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the benches behind him, some of them

want to see him gone. And thirdly,

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he has to try and show that he has

been able to go some way of

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addressing the concerns among many

members of the public that meant the

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Tories lost their majority. So a

very difficult cocktail of goals for

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him to try and score today, but I

think today the main objective is

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don't mess up. The last time he was

at the dispatch box he made a very

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big mistake and then did a dramatic

screeching U-turn a week later.

So

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the Tory backbenches are nervous

about this Budget and worried if he

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is up to it?

They certainly are. One

Cabinet minister said to me last

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week, things are very difficult. If

it is a difficult Budget things

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could get very difficult. Talk about

understatement. The government has

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gone from crisis to crisis in the

last few weeks, whether that was

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over Cabinet resignations or whether

it was the ongoing drama and the

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pretty public scrapping of what is

going on in the Brexit negotiations.

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They have had to weather a series of

cyclones, if you like, and there is

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a question of whether they are

holding on and a Budget to go wrong

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could be extremely serious for them.

That said, as we have discussed on

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many occasions, the fundamentals of

the Tory party have not really

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changed. There is no one person who

wants to stick their hand up and

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they move out, Theresa, my turn. I

think we should not overrate the

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idea that somehow Philip Hammond is

auditioning today to keep his job. I

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am not sure we are in that

territory.

We will see. Kamal,

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budgets these days are all about

borrowing and financing the

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deficits, this government has

borrowed a tonne more money, it is

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going to borrow more, but there are

constraints?

Absolutely, Andrew.

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Let's look at some of the economic

challenges. Let's start with the

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all-important borrowing figures.

That is the money the government

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used to cover the difference between

what it spends and what it raises in

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taxes. Let's go back to March and

the Office for Budget

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Responsibility, the official

government watchdog, and it forecast

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for the last financial year,

borrowing would hit that big number,

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£51.7 billion, then it would go

down. Go up a little bit this

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financial year and then gently go

down to the end of 2022 down to

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£16.8 billion. It looks like the

Chancellor wants to stick to that

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target of balancing the books,

wiping out the deficit by the middle

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of the next decade. But some good

news here for the Chancellor. Not a

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lot of it about! The borrowing

figures are slightly more positive

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than was expected. For the last

financial year, borrowing is

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expected to come in at £45.7

billion. Under what they thought. If

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that is reflected what is called the

forecast period up to 2022, that

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means he could have a little more

wriggle room on what he can spend.

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Said that undershoot could have an

impact in the current financial year

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and the next one as well, but there

is another issue as well? We have

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heard a lot about productivity. We

know our productivity growth in

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recent years has been poor, it is a

dominant in the Western world, not

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just Britain, but it has been

particularly bad here. But there has

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now been talk in the run-up that

because of poor productivity growth,

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that will impact on the deficit

reduction plans. How does that work?

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All of the better news on borrowing,

all of that frankly over the longer

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term could be blown out of the water

by this productivity problem.

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Productivity is basically the way

the economy produces wealth. As you

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say, it has been growing very slowly

since the financial crisis. That

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matters because that hits economic

growth and that means that the

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government simply does not receive

the tax revenues that it might have

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expected, had the economy been

growing more rapidly. Now, the OBR

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has suggested that it is minded to

substantially downgrade the

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productivity forecast for the

future. If it does that, that could

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add as much as 53 billion pounds to

the borrowing requirements of this

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government.

That would completely

screw up the deficit reduction

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plans.

Exactly. The Institute for

Fiscal Studies said last month if

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the prospects for productivity of

very poor, that means by 2022, the

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borrowing requirement would go up to

that big black bar on the far right

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of that chart, £69.9 billion. That

is very gloomy.

It is pretty

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extreme?

Yes, but what is important,

Andrew, it shows a small tweak on

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that productivity number has a big

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effect on the public finances.

The

problem is, the OBR will say because

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of productivity growth not being

that good, it will have the

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following bad impact on the deficit.

But we're not quite clear, it is a

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bit of a stretch to know what it is?

That is true. It has an effect on

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people's incomes as well. There has

been some better news in the last

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three months. Productivity is up 1%

after two quarters of decline, so

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maybe there is a bit of sunshine.

We

will see. It is a tricky one for the

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Chancellor 's. For all chancellors,

all sorts of problems can be washed

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away if the government grows

robustly because you get more tax

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revenue. Our economy is growing but

not robust Lee, it would be fair to

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say?

If we go back to what the OBR

forecast last March, they said

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growth would be a pretty respectable

2%. That would help the public

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finances. This year, that forecast

is likely to be downgraded. The Bank

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of England suggested in its

inflation report, that figure 16%

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for growth, we must expect that the

OBR will follow that lead from the

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Bank of England, will degrade

growth, and alongside the

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downgrading productivity, that means

that these are two substantial

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headwinds that the government wants

to hit this balancing the books

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target by the middle of the next

decade.

And the forecast on 2018 and

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2019 growth were a bit gloomy

already, they were around the 1.6

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mark so it does not look like a

booming growth is his get out of

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jail card?

No, and it will be

adjusting to see what the OBR will

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say about subsequent growth and also

what it will say about the possible

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impact of Brexit.

Of course, they

are forecasts, and although they

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don't like me mentioning it, the OBR

has been known to be wrong in the

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past but we will see what happens

with the new ones. Simon, unusually

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for a Tory government, a lot of

people in the business community

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think this is an anti-business

government. They don't like a lot of

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the rhetoric, they don't think the

government is doing much for

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business. So what are their

expectations for today?

Businesses

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don't like budgets. They think every

bit of tinkering by the Chancellor

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means they have to go back and

change this. It is a lot of

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administrative burden for them. They

have every reason to be suspicious

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of the government. There was the

perceived attack on the

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self-employed when they tried to

increase National Insurance. They

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are dealing with auto enrolment for

pensions, they got a big revaluation

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in parts of the country their

business rates so they are feeling a

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bit dustup. And yet, the Chancellor

needs business to invest if he's

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going to unlock the productivity

problem for the future. Businesses

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are saying there is too much month

left at the end of the money.

I like

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that!

It is very hard for us to

invest so help us to help you. They

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are hoping there will be little

change. There are a couple of

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measures which might come in today,

for example, business rates

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evaluation going from RPI inflation

measure to a lower one. And then

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bring it forward more quickly.

Things like that could help them but

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basically they are saying, don't do

too much. The Chancellor will say in

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2010 the corporation tax was 22% and

it is now 19% and headed down to 17.

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They will say we are helping you

out.

We have just been clearing our

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throats here. There will be plenty

more from Laura, Kamal and Simon

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throughout this for our special. In

a moment, we will join Jo Coburn in

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Peterborough but first to Jane Hill

on College Green.

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Philip Hammond's last budget back in

March. Here we are again and it is

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November and no longer the Autumn

Statement. Another budget. How much

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has changed since then. We have had

the election, the government had a

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reduced majority and Britain is on

its path to get out of the EU. Let's

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have a reminder of how much has

changed.

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The main rate for the self employed

will increase to 10%. I have decided

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not to proceed with the class four

measures set out in the budget.

The

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Article 50 process is under way and

in accordance with the wishes of the

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British people the United Kingdom is

leaving the European Union. I have

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just chaired a meeting of the

cabinet where we agreed the

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government should call a general

election.

Labour will take our

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railways back into public ownership

and put passengers first.

What is

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Britain's deficit? Did somebody

passing a piece of paper? What is

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our deficit.

Not at all. The first

ever proper plan to pay for and

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provide social care. Nothing has

changed. We are offering a long-term

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solution for the sustainability of

social care for the future.

What we

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are saying is the Conservatives are

the largest party. Note they do not

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have an overall majority at this

stage.

I hope you notice that, the

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Chancellor giving something away

free.

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LAUGHTER.

Just a reminder of what people at

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Westminster and the country has been

living through the last few months.

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We can discuss what Philip Hammond's

task is today. Debbie Abrahams is

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with me for Labour and Theresa

Villiers for the Conservatives. As

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Philip Hammond left number 11

journalist called out, is this a

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make or break budget?

It is, isn't

it? It is an important budget, all

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of them are, and Phillip faces a

difficult task, team needs to keep

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is on the path to deal with debt but

also find investment for

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people'spriorities.

Is there scope

for that with the backdrop of

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Brexit?

He has limited headroom in

terms of money available,

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Parliamentary majorities, but he has

headroom because of decisions he has

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taken as Chancellor, including

adjustments to fiscal rules to

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reflect where we are and the

emphasis, we have seen in terms of

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investing in research, technology,

computer science, this is about

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making it a competitive economy and

seizing opportunities not just as a

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result of leaving the EU but in

terms of technology.

We will come

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back to some of this. What is

Labour's role today? Your party is

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behind in the opinion polls on trust

in the economy.

We should say it is

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clear austerity over the last seven

years has failed dismally and it is

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not just me saying that in the

Labour Party, it is the

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International Monetary Fund, it is

economists, and others who have said

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absolute failure. People will know

this. Let me finish, Jane.

They want

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to know what you can pay for what

you want to do.

This is how we set

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out in the general election how we

would pay for spending commitments,

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fully costed. People know that they

are... Their living standards have

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gone down and their wages are no

more than they were in 2008. What

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changes should Philip Hammond may?

We have five priorities, first

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around Social Security and Universal

Credit, pause and fix it. We know

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this will push a million more

children into poverty as a result of

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cuts. A house-building programme. We

just have to go to Westminster to

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see people sleeping rough and it has

doubled in the last seven years.

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120,000 children in temporary

accommodation. We need to make sure

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the public sector workers get a fair

deal to stop the public sector pay

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cap which we would not would

stimulate the economy.

Austerity

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does not work. How do you respond to

that, Theresa Villiers? Do you see

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an increase in rough slippers?

The

government is determined to tackle

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this and we want an end to rough

sleeping and we have commitments in

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the manifesto.

You have had seven

years and it has got worse.

The

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trouble with Labour's plans is they

would involve a big increase in

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taxation for ordinary working

families. Rubbish. They would

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involve more borrowing. Leaving

future generations to pay for our

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debt. We need a balanced approach

that recognises we still have not

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cleared the deficit, but we need to

deal with debts at a pace that is

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consistent and we doing everything

to support the economy and to fund

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public services as generously as we

can.

On a political point, how vital

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is this performance for Philip

Hammond? You are not going to be

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best friends, you are on different

sides in the Brexit debate. Is it

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make and break for his future?

I

would not say I am on a different

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side to the Chancellor. I worked

with him in transport and I think he

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is talented. There is pressure on

him today and there always is on the

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Chancellor on budget day and I wish

him well.

They have not cleared the

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deficit they promised in 2015.

Economic failure from this

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government. The NHS is in crisis.

30,000 additional deaths according

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to the British Medical Journal.

We

will discuss it after Philip Hammond

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has stood up at lunchtime. More

passionate debate come from here.

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Thanks, Jane.

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Good to see the arguments breaking

out already. That bodes well for our

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discussions. Budgets watched closely

by businesses and Joe Cockburn is at

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a in Peterborough.

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I am in Peterborough, a city the

Conservatives lost to Labour in the

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election and I am at one of the

leading manufacturers of lorry

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trailers. It is a company that has

expanded over the past years

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significantly. They employ around

250 people and their biggest

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concern, something they would like

to see the Chancellor address is

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productivity. It has been a buzzword

over the past weeks. Who better to

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talk to the company than the

managing director, welcome. And also

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to a local recruitment consultant. I

talked about productivity, why is it

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important?

We have invested heavily

in the last three years in

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infrastructure, building some people

and we need it to continue. The

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public have voted, Brexit is on us,

and we need breaks to carry out

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investment.

What measures are you

talking about? If you have money to

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spend why not invest?

We need

capital investment relief on

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taxation and we have a great

workforce here, looking to grow with

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us as a company grows in

Peterborough. We need signs to get

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on with the situation we are in.

One

of the greatest barometers of

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economic performance is recruitment

and job levels. What has it been

0:23:190:23:23

like the last six months?

We found

after the result of Brexit people

0:23:230:23:30

held their breath for briefly. We

had a couple of jobs that went on

0:23:300:23:34

hold but since then things have

picked up enormously and I think

0:23:340:23:40

people are moving on regardless. We

cannot hold still that long. We have

0:23:400:23:47

18 months to go. We are dealing with

entry-level and managerial positions

0:23:470:23:53

that are office-based and we find

business is good.

One big issue

0:23:530:23:56

people want a addressed is cost of

living. The government talked about

0:23:560:24:06

high employment levels but are those

jobs paying enough to deal with

0:24:060:24:09

rising inflation?

I think in this

area very much as across the country

0:24:090:24:15

the average pay with you comes at

2%. The cost of inflation is 3% so

0:24:150:24:22

there is a gap causing a problem. I

think a number of companies are

0:24:220:24:30

having to do interim pay reviews for

specific people to retain those

0:24:300:24:35

skills. We have an issue across the

country and in Peterborough with

0:24:350:24:41

digital and IT people because there

are not enough to go around. They

0:24:410:24:47

are not coming through.

That is a

problem. What would you like to see

0:24:470:24:51

the Chancellor do?

I would like to

see him make it easier for small

0:24:510:24:56

businesses. Peterborough has an

higher than average number and we

0:24:560:25:03

need those to boost the economy.

We

can catch up on some of the personal

0:25:030:25:07

finance issues with our expert.

Among the trucks and lorries there

0:25:070:25:15

is so much to watch out for and we

hope you will help us with your

0:25:150:25:20

questions and comments. Stamp duty,

will there be a holiday for

0:25:200:25:25

first-time buyers? Diesel, a tax on

diesel drivers, will it go up?

0:25:250:25:30

Income tax, will there be a trimming

of tax breaks for pensioners and

0:25:300:25:37

VAT, will small businesses have to

start charging it? And tax on

0:25:370:25:42

alcohol and cigarettes has gone up

already this year, will it happen

0:25:420:25:46

again? You should send your comments

to have your say. Back to you.

0:25:460:25:57

We can now talk to James Palmer, the

Metro Mayor in this region. If there

0:25:570:26:03

was one thing you would like the

Chancellor to do what would it be?

0:26:030:26:08

We need to improve infrastructure.

Investment by government to

0:26:080:26:12

infrastructure is investing in the

next generation and creates the

0:26:120:26:15

opportunity for housing growth, none

more so in Cambridgeshire and

0:26:150:26:20

Peterborough. We have businesses

like this that want to grow and we

0:26:200:26:25

need to improve infrastructure to

make sure they can deliver and bring

0:26:250:26:29

housing forward to feed employment

growth in this county.

How much

0:26:290:26:33

confidence do you have the

Chancellor will be radical enough?

0:26:330:26:37

He is under pressure to do something

dramatic, will he be able to deliver

0:26:370:26:43

within the tight constraints?

The

Chancellor by the nature of position

0:26:430:26:48

is under pressure from everybody. I

believe he can forge the right path

0:26:480:26:53

and going the right direction. He

can make the right decisions. It his

0:26:530:26:58

chance to be on -- to be honest, to

make sure devolved areas like

0:26:580:27:07

Cambridgeshire and Peterborough can

get on with the job. It is about

0:27:070:27:12

people like myself also and the

position I am in creating the

0:27:120:27:15

environment where we can manage

growth it comes to our area.

How

0:27:150:27:20

much a priority is the issue of pay

for public sector workers? Pay rise

0:27:200:27:26

for nurses and abuse to the NHS?

It

is key, that it is not just public

0:27:260:27:32

sector workers struggling with low

pay increases. The economy is

0:27:320:27:36

strong. We know we are creating

jobs. We know we are creating jobs

0:27:360:27:42

and being in work is better than

being out of work but we know that

0:27:420:27:47

people want more money and it is not

just public sector workers, it is

0:27:470:27:52

people across the board, people in

this kind of industry. We have to be

0:27:520:27:57

fair and look after the entire

population, not just portions of it.

0:27:570:28:01

That is it from us for the moment.

Obviously returned to us soon.

0:28:010:28:10

Thanks, Jo, and you can also take

advantage the BBC's range of expert

0:28:100:28:13

analysis and all the latest Budget

news on the BBC website -

0:28:130:28:16

that's bbc.co.uk/budget.

0:28:160:28:23

It's nearly midday

here at Westminster.

0:28:230:28:29

We can go back to the helicopter.

You know it is an important occasion

0:28:290:28:34

when there is a helicopter. We will

go to the House of Commons for Prime

0:28:340:28:38

Minister's Questions.

0:28:380:28:43

Will the pay cap be scrapped? It

already has been in a couple of

0:28:430:28:48

areas. I expect the Chancellor to

set out further reform particularly

0:28:480:28:53

for nurses but what I understand is

crucially there will not be extra

0:28:530:28:57

cash to go to public sector pay. If

the unions, Labour, people who are

0:28:570:29:05

going home to and from public sector

jobs thinking I have desperately

0:29:050:29:09

decided I need a pay rise, if they

think they will get it today, I

0:29:090:29:13

understand they will not. There will

be extra cash for the NHS but it is

0:29:130:29:20

not clear how much more, not as much

as the 4 billion they asked for. I

0:29:200:29:25

expect the NHS would say if the

people who decide nurses' pay, which

0:29:250:29:31

is not the NHS itself, so there

should be an increase all of that

0:29:310:29:34

extra money could be swallowed up

immediately. Not a big check for

0:29:340:29:39

public sector pay but further moves

towards say the era when it was held

0:29:390:29:46

down as a political promise, that is

gone. Jeremy Hunt said some time ago

0:29:460:29:51

in the Commons the pay cap had gone.

I understand he is at a hospital

0:29:510:29:56

somewhere today so there could be

money.

We are not sure if that is

0:29:560:29:59

the case. There will be some extra

money, not sure how much.

There are

0:29:590:30:06

a lot of bills in the Chancellor's

in trade. He haps to find 2 billion

0:30:060:30:13

on the U-turn on National Insurance

and the deal for Northern Ireland

0:30:130:30:18

worth one billion and 2 billion for

affordable homes, Mrs May told us,

0:30:180:30:23

public sector pay cap has to be paid

for. There have been other spending

0:30:230:30:28

commitments. I would suggest when

you add it up and look at the

0:30:280:30:33

difficulties he has with the

deficit, he will loosen his belt.

0:30:330:30:44

I have asked your question but you

have not got time to answer it! Hold

0:30:440:30:48

that thought and let's go to PMQs.

Members across the House will want

0:30:480:30:57

to join me in congratulating Sarah

Clark inherited when as Lady Usher

0:30:570:31:01

of the Black Rod. She will be the

first woman to hold this role in its

0:31:010:31:07

650 year history and we offer her

our best wishes.

0:31:070:31:12

This morning I had meetings with

ministerial colleagues and others.

0:31:120:31:15

In addition to my duties, I will

have further such meetings today.

0:31:150:31:21

Mr Speaker, the BBC are currently

broadcasting Drugsland, filmed in my

0:31:210:31:33

constituency, showing the

catastrophic impact of drugs laws on

0:31:330:31:39

innocent bystanders. We'll be Prime

Minister commit to watching

0:31:390:31:42

Drugsland and Royal commission on

our drugs laws which are plainly

0:31:420:31:46

failing?

I'm pleased to say that the

Home Office under my right

0:31:460:31:51

honourable friend the Home Secretary

launched the drugs strategy only a

0:31:510:31:55

matter of weeks ago. We recognise

the importance of this issue. Drugs

0:31:550:31:59

significantly affect people's lives,

and sadly we also see people driving

0:31:590:32:04

as a result of taking drugs but also

the criminal activity that takes

0:32:040:32:08

place around drugs. We take this

very seriously, that is why we have

0:32:080:32:16

launched our strategy.

Divorce and family breakdown takes

0:32:160:32:19

an emotional toll on all those

involved, but the finally dynamic

0:32:190:32:22

often overlooked is that between

grandparents and their

0:32:220:32:26

grandchildren. If access to

grandchildren is removed or blocked,

0:32:260:32:29

some grandparents call this a form

of living bereavement. Will the

0:32:290:32:34

Prime Minister join me, Dame Esther

Rantzen, and thousands of

0:32:340:32:37

grandparents across the country, to

call for a change in the law to give

0:32:370:32:41

access rights to grandchildren as is

the case in France?

My honourable

0:32:410:32:46

friend is absolutely right that of

course grandparents do play an

0:32:460:32:49

important role in the lives of their

grandchildren. We can all I'm sure

0:32:490:32:54

sympathise with those who suffer

anguish when they are prevented from

0:32:540:33:00

seeing their grandchildren. When

making decisions about a child's

0:33:000:33:04

future, the first consideration must

be the child's welfare. The law

0:33:040:33:09

already allows family courts to

order that a child should spend time

0:33:090:33:13

with their grandparents and I

understand my honourable friend has

0:33:130:33:17

recently seen the Minister for the

state of justice and I'm sure they

0:33:170:33:20

will consider the points carefully.

Jeremy Corbyn.

Thank you, Mr

0:33:200:33:28

Speaker. I joined the Prime Minister

in congratulating the new Usher of

0:33:280:33:33

the Black Rod and I am pleased it is

a woman who has got that position at

0:33:330:33:36

last. I hope the whole house will

join me in sending solidarity

0:33:360:33:42

following the atrocious suicide

bombing which killed 50 people in

0:33:420:33:46

eastern Nigeria. We should speak

with sympathy for those who have

0:33:460:33:49

lost loved ones and the obvious

trauma they are all going through.

0:33:490:33:55

Mr Speaker, the Irish Prime Minister

who has discussed Brexit with the

0:33:550:33:59

British government says sometimes it

doesn't seem like they have thought

0:33:590:34:04

all this through. So can the Prime

Minister reassure him by plainly

0:34:040:34:09

outlining the Government policy on

the Irish border?

First of all, I am

0:34:090:34:17

glad the right honourable gentleman

has welcomed the new Lady Usher of

0:34:170:34:19

the Black Rod. I hope it will not

take 650 years before the Labour

0:34:190:34:24

Party has a female leader.

0:34:240:34:35

On the second issue... On the second

issue that he raised, he referred to

0:34:390:34:46

the issue of the attack that had

taken place in eastern Nigeria, and

0:34:460:34:51

of course I'm sure the thoughts and

condolences of the whole House will

0:34:510:34:55

be with those affected by it. He

also asked me to outline our policy

0:34:550:34:59

between the border of an end and the

Republic of Ireland. I'm very happy

0:34:590:35:03

to do so. We have done so on a

number of occasions. We are very

0:35:030:35:07

clear first of all in relation to

the movement of people, the Common

0:35:070:35:11

travel area will continue to operate

as it has done since 1923, and on

0:35:110:35:16

trade and movement of goods and

services across-the-board, we will

0:35:160:35:19

not see a hard border being

introduced. We have been very clear.

0:35:190:35:27

Jeremy Corbyn.

Mr Speaker,

yesterday, the Foreign Secretary

0:35:270:35:31

said there can be no border, that

will be unthinkable. Maybe, but they

0:35:310:35:35

have had 17 months to come up with

an answer to this question, and

0:35:350:35:39

there is still no answered the

question because they have not

0:35:390:35:44

engaged with the negotiations

properly. There is another person

0:35:440:35:48

who doesn't think the negotiations

are going to and that is the right

0:35:480:35:56

honourable member for Woking, who it

was an ecclesiastic campaign for

0:35:560:36:00

Brexit, but also finds time to be

the chief global strategist for

0:36:000:36:04

Charles Stanley investments. And he

recently advised clients to invest

0:36:040:36:11

elsewhere as the UK is hitting the

brakes. Does the Prime Minister take

0:36:110:36:20

advice from the member for Woking

and does she agree with him? --

0:36:200:36:28

Wokingham.

We have been engaging

fully in the negotiations in

0:36:280:36:33

relation to Northern Ireland and

other issues with the negotiations,

0:36:330:36:38

and indeed, significant progress has

been made. That is why I have said

0:36:380:36:43

we have got agreement on the

operation of the Common travel area

0:36:430:36:47

for the future. He says we have not

put any ideas about the board out, I

0:36:470:36:52

have to say to him, we published a

paper back in the summer on the

0:36:520:36:58

hospital customs arrangements which

could take place -- the possible

0:36:580:37:02

customs arrangements which could

take place. We are happy to move to

0:37:020:37:06

further discussions of the customs

and trading relationship we will

0:37:060:37:10

have not just between Northern

Ireland and the Republic, but

0:37:100:37:14

between the United Kingdom and

European Union. That does mean

0:37:140:37:16

moving on to face two and the

question for the right honourable

0:37:160:37:20

gentleman, if he thinks it is so

important, why do his MEPs vote

0:37:200:37:25

against it?

Mr Speaker, the EU's

chief negotiator said this week the

0:37:250:37:30

UK financial sector will lose its

current rights to trade with Europe.

0:37:300:37:33

It seems neither EU negotiators or

the Government have any idea where

0:37:330:37:40

this is going. Last week, the Brexit

secretary said he would guarantee

0:37:400:37:46

free movement for bankers post

Brexit. Are there any other groups

0:37:460:37:50

to whom the Prime Minister believes

freedom of movement should apply,

0:37:500:37:58

nurses, doctors, teachers,

scientists, agricultural workers,

0:37:580:37:59

care workers?

I'm very interested

that the right honourable gentleman

0:37:590:38:07

has found that his appearances at

prime ministers questions have been

0:38:070:38:10

going so well, he has had to borrow

a question from the leader of the

0:38:100:38:14

Liberal Democrats, which he asked me

last week. Perhaps the Leader of the

0:38:140:38:20

Opposition should pay more attention

to what happens in prime ministers

0:38:200:38:24

questions. We have been absolutely

clear that we will be introducing

0:38:240:38:30

new immigration rules and as we

introduce them we will take account

0:38:300:38:33

of the needs of the British economy

in doing so. That is why the Home

0:38:330:38:39

Secretary has asked the migration

advisory committee to advise on base

0:38:390:38:43

areas where we need to pay the

killer attention to migration coming

0:38:430:38:48

into the United Kingdom. We want to

get on to deal with the question of

0:38:480:38:52

the future trading relationship, but

I am also optimistic about the

0:38:520:38:59

opportunities that will be available

to this country and about the deal

0:38:590:39:04

we can get from the negotiations we

are having. The right honourable

0:39:040:39:08

gentleman cannot even decide if he

wants to be in the customs union,

0:39:080:39:11

out of it, in the single market, out

of it. He needs to get his act

0:39:110:39:17

together.

In April, the Brexit

secretary was confident the European

0:39:170:39:22

banking authority would be staying

in London. Now he can't even

0:39:220:39:26

guarantee banks having a right to

trade with Europe. Last week, the

0:39:260:39:30

Government voted down Labour's

amendments to protect workers'

0:39:300:39:37

rights. The Foreign Secretary

described employment regulation as

0:39:370:39:43

and I quote: backbreaking. And

repeatedly promised to and I quote

0:39:430:39:48

again: scrap the social chapter. Why

when she guarantee workers' rights

0:39:480:39:52

order she agree with the Foreign

Secretary on these matters?

We have

0:39:520:39:58

guaranteed workers' rights. We have

introduced a bill in the House of

0:39:580:40:05

Commons to guarantee workers' rights

and the Labour Party voted against

0:40:050:40:08

it.

Mr Speaker, The Record is clear,

this government voted down our

0:40:080:40:17

amendment to protect workers'

rights. The Environment Secretary

0:40:170:40:24

said he wanted a green Brexit. Yet

again, Conservative MPs voted down

0:40:240:40:33

Labour's amendments to guarantee

environmental protection. On the 5th

0:40:330:40:38

of December, Mr Speaker, the

European financial summit takes

0:40:380:40:42

place to address the issue of tax

dodging as exposed by the Paradise

0:40:420:40:47

papers. There are three proposals on

the table, to blacklist tax havens

0:40:470:40:55

like Bermuda, nude transparency

rules to tax intermediaries, and

0:40:550:41:00

mandate three country by country

reporting for profit. Will the Prime

0:41:000:41:06

Minister back these proposals, or is

she is still threatening to turn

0:41:060:41:11

Britain into a tax haven?

I will

take no lectures from the Labour

0:41:110:41:19

Party on dealing with tax avoidance

and tax evasion. £160 billion more

0:41:190:41:26

taken as a result of action taken by

Conservatives in government. 75 new

0:41:260:41:32

measures to deal with tax avoidance

and tax evasion. And I am pleased to

0:41:320:41:38

say, recently, HMRC won an important

case on tax avoidance in the Supreme

0:41:380:41:43

Court, which means a further one

point £1 billion coming to the

0:41:430:41:48

United Kingdom. He may talk about

tax avoidance and tax evasion, it is

0:41:480:41:53

this government which takes action

and makes sure we collect it.

Her

0:41:530:41:58

predecessor block EU wide proposals

for a public register of trust and

0:41:580:42:03

again, the Conservative MPs have

voted down Labour's amendments to

0:42:030:42:08

deal with tax avoidance. Mr Speaker,

when it comes to Brexit, this

0:42:080:42:13

government is a shambles.

Order!

Order! Far too many members are

0:42:130:42:26

gesticulating on both sides of the

House in a frenetic and frankly,

0:42:260:42:32

outlandish fashion. I say to the

honourable member, he should seek to

0:42:320:42:41

imitate the Zen like calm and

statesmanship of the Father of the

0:42:410:42:44

House. Mr Jeremy Corbyn.

I have much in common with the

0:42:440:42:55

venom, Mr Speaker. -- I have much in

common with zen, Mr Speaker.

0:42:550:43:09

Mr Speaker. 17 months after the

referendum, they say there can be no

0:43:170:43:23

hard border but haven't worked out

how. They say they will protect

0:43:230:43:27

workers' rights and then vote

against it. They say they will

0:43:270:43:32

protect environmental rights and

then vote against it. They promised

0:43:320:43:35

action on tax avoidance and then

vote against it time and time again.

0:43:350:43:42

And, Mr Speaker, once again the

Foreign Secretary offers his

0:43:420:43:46

opinions, as does the Environment

Secretary saying, there is

0:43:460:43:52

insufficient energy going into these

Brexit negotiations. Their words, Mr

0:43:520:43:57

Speaker, not mine. Is it the truth

this government has no energy, no

0:43:570:44:04

agreed plan and no strategy to

deliver a good Brexit for Britain?

0:44:040:44:10

Can I say to the right honourable

gentleman, he talks about voting

0:44:100:44:14

against tax avoidance measures, it

was the Labour Party which refused

0:44:140:44:18

to allow tax avoidance measures to

go through in a bill before we

0:44:180:44:23

called the general election. So he

should look at his own record and he

0:44:230:44:27

talks about people taking different

opinions. I might remind him that on

0:44:270:44:32

Monday, and perhaps the Shadow

Chancellor would like to listen to

0:44:320:44:35

this? On Monday, when we were

putting through that important piece

0:44:350:44:43

of legislation in relation to

customs and taxation and Europe, 76

0:44:430:44:48

Labour MPs voted in a different

lobby than his front bench.

0:44:480:44:57

The party has no clue on Brexit in

this Commons is the Labour Party.

0:44:570:45:04

Week in and week out the right

honourable gentleman comes to this

0:45:040:45:11

House and talks down our country and

is pessimistic about our future. Let

0:45:110:45:17

me tell him, I am optimistic about

our future. I am optimistic about

0:45:170:45:25

the success we can make a Brexit and

I am optimistic about the well-paid

0:45:250:45:29

jobs that will be created, I am

optimistic about homes we will

0:45:290:45:35

build, that conservatives are

building a Briton fit for the

0:45:350:45:38

future. All he offers is a blast

from the past.

0:45:380:45:45

With the Prime Minister reassure

people this Conservative government

0:45:560:46:01

is committed to maintaining the

United Kingdom's strong commitment

0:46:010:46:05

to the highest standards of animal

welfare now and post Brexit.

I am

0:46:050:46:11

happy to give that commitment. We

already have some of the highest

0:46:110:46:16

animal welfare standards in the

world and as we leave the EU we

0:46:160:46:21

should enhance those standards. We

have set out proposals to introduce

0:46:210:46:28

mandatory CCTV in slaughterhouses

and increase sentences for animal

0:46:280:46:34

cruelty, ban microbeads that damage

marine life and banned the ivory

0:46:340:46:38

trade to bring an end to elephant

poaching and we recognise animals

0:46:380:46:42

are sentience beings and should be

treated accordingly. The animal

0:46:420:46:50

welfare act 2006 provides protection

for all animals capable of

0:46:500:46:55

experiencing pain or suffering under

the control of man. I reaffirmed to

0:46:550:47:00

my honourable friend we will ensure

we maintain and enhance animal

0:47:000:47:05

welfare standards when we leave the

EU.

0:47:050:47:11

Can the Prime Minister tell the

House how many jobs have been lost

0:47:110:47:17

this week with the departure of the

European medicines authority and

0:47:170:47:23

banking authority from London?

We

are seeing those two agencies leave

0:47:230:47:31

the United Kingdom and go elsewhere

in the European Union that when he

0:47:310:47:34

talks about the number of jobs being

created we have seen under this

0:47:340:47:38

government 3 million jobs created.

That is a record I would have

0:47:380:47:43

thought even he would welcome.

Of course, the Prime Minister

0:47:430:47:51

refused to answer the question. Let

me tell her, so she is aware of the

0:47:510:47:56

cost of the hard Tory Brexit, losing

the EMA and EBA means losing over

0:47:560:48:03

1000 jobs and the Bank of England

have told us the city will lose

0:48:030:48:08

75,000 jobs, jobs are already gone

and jobs are going, Brexit is

0:48:080:48:17

already biting. Will the Prime

Minister recognise that exiting the

0:48:170:48:22

EU is losing jobs and centres of

excellence from the United Kingdom?

0:48:220:48:29

I recognise that those agencies are

leaving the United Kingdom but the

0:48:290:48:34

right honourable gentleman talks

about numbers of jobs lost. Since

0:48:340:48:38

the Conservatives came into

government, 3 million jobs, 3

0:48:380:48:47

million more people in work, 3

million more people able to provide

0:48:470:48:51

an income for themselves and their

families.

0:48:510:48:58

Last year housing associations

generated 5.5 billion in cash

0:48:580:49:02

surplus which could be used to build

48,000 new homes. The accumulated

0:49:020:49:09

reserves or housing associations

come to 42 billion which would mean

0:49:090:49:15

36,500 properties a year for the

next ten years could be built. Would

0:49:150:49:19

my right honourable friend look at

ways we can make sure housing

0:49:190:49:22

associations use the money to build

the new homes people want rather

0:49:220:49:26

than having them sitting in the

bank.

He raises an important point

0:49:260:49:32

and the issue of housing and

homelessness is something he has

0:49:320:49:35

been a campaigner on. This is

already the approach taken by

0:49:350:49:42

housing associations. They are

nonprofit organisations and

0:49:420:49:48

surpluses of reinvested in the

business and in 2015, investment in

0:49:480:49:52

new and existing property was more

than double the surpluses they

0:49:520:49:55

generated. I have announced an

additional 2 billion funding for

0:49:550:50:03

affordable homes including social

rent and last week housing

0:50:030:50:07

associations were reclassified to

the private sector which takes 70

0:50:070:50:10

billion of debt off the balance

sheet which means greater certainty

0:50:100:50:15

for housing associations to get on

with the job of building more homes.

0:50:150:50:22

My thoughts are with the many

constituents who have friends and

0:50:220:50:28

family in Nigeria. The SNP has asked

140 times that the VAT paid by

0:50:280:50:35

police and Fire Services Amber

hundred and £40 million to be

0:50:350:50:38

refunded. The Chancellor said only

last month legally we would not be

0:50:380:50:44

able to recover that and the UK

Government is constrained by the

0:50:440:50:49

rules in place.

Was he misleading

us? The SNP may have answered a

0:50:490:50:56

number of questions but the SNP knew

when they took the decision to

0:50:560:51:00

create a single police and fire

authority this would be the VAT

0:51:000:51:05

treatment.

Given the revised housing proposals

0:51:050:51:15

that would force unprecedented

numbers to the equivalent of a new

0:51:150:51:22

town will the Prime Minister give me

and my constituents reassurances

0:51:220:51:27

unnecessary large-scale investment

which will need to be made to boost

0:51:270:51:32

public service infrastructure that

will have to cope with up to 100,000

0:51:320:51:35

more people?

This is of course an

important point for people. We want

0:51:350:51:45

to see more homes built because I

want young people to have the

0:51:450:51:47

prospect they are going to have the

future their parents and

0:51:470:51:51

grandparents had to own their own

homes and we will go further in

0:51:510:51:54

building more homes but she is

right, as we do that we need to make

0:51:540:51:59

sure the infrastructure is in place

and we are putting in billions for

0:51:590:52:04

economic infrastructure up to 2021

including issues like transport,

0:52:040:52:09

fibre broadband, but we recognise

the importance of making sure homes

0:52:090:52:14

are supported by the right

infrastructure.

0:52:140:52:19

I am proud the last Labour

government lifted more than 1

0:52:190:52:22

million children out of poverty.

This government seems committed to

0:52:220:52:29

doing the opposite. With the

Institute for Fiscal Studies

0:52:290:52:34

predicting an additional 1.2 million

children will be pushed into poverty

0:52:340:52:41

by 2021. That is on top of the

4,000,020 15-16. Is the Prime

0:52:410:52:48

Minister proud of her government's

record of failure on this and does

0:52:480:52:52

she think the worrying forecast is

acceptable?

0:52:520:52:58

Far from the way in which she has

portrayed the situation we have seen

0:52:580:53:04

since 2010 600,000 fewer people in

absolute poverty, a record low,

0:53:040:53:10

300,000 fewer working age adults in

absolute poverty, and 200,000

0:53:100:53:19

children fewer in absolute poverty.

200,000 fewer children in absolute

0:53:190:53:24

poverty. We have also seen families

getting into work, 1 million fewer

0:53:240:53:33

work less households.

As the Prime Minister is aware

0:53:330:53:47

Scotland is lagging behind the rest

of the UK in terms of superfast

0:53:470:53:52

broadband roll-out and in my

constituency even further behind. A

0:53:520:53:57

huge volume of my casework... A huge

volume of my casework from one of my

0:53:570:54:04

largest towns where 20,000

constituents reside, it is hardly

0:54:040:54:09

what you would deem a remote area,

can the Prime Minister confirm the

0:54:090:54:14

next generation of funding to

support the roll-out in Scotland

0:54:140:54:17

will bypass that... For businesses

and residents in my constituency get

0:54:170:54:37

the ball band a desire?

-- broadband

they desire. I am happy to confirm

0:54:370:54:44

that to my honourable friend and she

will know we are making progress in

0:54:440:54:48

Scotland but we need to go further.

So programmes such as five G will

0:54:480:54:55

allocate funding directly to local

projects based on the quality of

0:54:550:54:58

bids and my honourable friend the

minister for digital has confirmed

0:54:580:55:03

that their next generation of

technology, we will deliver it

0:55:030:55:07

directly to local authorities in

Scotland. Rather than going through

0:55:070:55:11

the Scottish Government because we

want to make sure that Scotland is

0:55:110:55:16

not left behind.

0:55:160:55:27

In 2014 and enquiry was set up to

look into a drug given to millions

0:55:270:55:33

of pregnant women in the 60s and 70s

that caused deformities and

0:55:330:55:38

documents showing a cover-up. Last

week a report was published

0:55:380:55:43

condemned by MPs in the house is

being white wash and misleading.

0:55:430:55:47

Will the Prime Minister meet the

victims and order a public inquiry

0:55:470:55:51

so justice can be done for these

people?

0:55:510:55:54

I know this is an issue number of

members have been concerned about

0:55:540:55:59

and recognise the result of the

review was not what some families

0:55:590:56:04

were hoping for. It was a

comprehensive independent review of

0:56:040:56:09

the available evidence by experts

and all the meetings of the working

0:56:090:56:12

were attended by an invited

independent expert at the request of

0:56:120:56:20

the patient group and the overall

conclusion is that the scientific

0:56:200:56:27

evidence does not support a causal

association but that does not

0:56:270:56:31

attract from the real suffering

experienced by the families and I

0:56:310:56:35

recognise these conclusions are hard

to accept. The Department of Health

0:56:350:56:40

is focused on implementing the

recommendations.

0:56:400:56:50

Does my right honourable friend

agreed the right revised offer to

0:56:500:56:55

the European Union far from throwing

money away would be worthwhile to

0:56:550:56:59

secure the future trading

relationship with our European

0:56:590:57:01

neighbours?

I say he raises an important issue

0:57:010:57:05

and I set out in my speech in

Florence the UK will honour

0:57:050:57:10

commitments we have made during our

membership. We do not want European

0:57:100:57:14

partners fearing they will receive

less or pay more. We can only

0:57:140:57:23

resolve the financial implications

of withdrawal finally as part of the

0:57:230:57:26

settlement of all issues I spoke

about in Florence but once that is

0:57:260:57:30

done in the days of Britain paying

vast sums of money to the EU every

0:57:300:57:34

year will end.

Every Prime Minister

since 1946 has successfully

0:57:340:57:42

appointed a British judge to the

international Court of Justice.

Why

0:57:420:57:48

has she not? Can I say to the

honourable gentleman the British

0:57:480:57:52

Prime Minister does not appoint

judges to the international Court of

0:57:520:57:56

Justice. There is a process

undertaken in the United Nations and

0:57:560:58:01

we wish all the judges who have been

appointed by votes through the UN to

0:58:010:58:06

the international Court of Justice

well.

0:58:060:58:15

My right honourable friend might be

aware in a debate last week members

0:58:150:58:19

of the Scottish National Party

declared if the Scottish Government

0:58:190:58:22

did not agree with the final Brexit

deal they would push for another

0:58:220:58:26

independence referendum. This

obsession with breaking up our

0:58:260:58:31

United Kingdom is damaging the

Scottish economy and causing

0:58:310:58:36

uncertainty. Will she Jomni in

asking the SNP to drop their

0:58:360:58:41

obsession with a second independence

referendum? -- will she join the?

0:58:410:58:49

The point raised is important.

Scotland had a referendum in 2014

0:58:490:58:53

that was legal and fair and the

result was decisive. The people of

0:58:530:58:58

Scotland voted to remain part of the

United Kingdom. I think that the

0:58:580:59:03

election they sent a second message

they didn't want a second referendum

0:59:030:59:06

on this issue so I say to the

Scottish Government, as we prepare

0:59:060:59:11

to leave the EU, they should work

with the UK Government to get the

0:59:110:59:16

right deal for the whole of the UK,

not taking Scotland back to these

0:59:160:59:22

divisive constitutional debates of

the past and I agree the SMP should

0:59:220:59:25

take the unwanted proposal off the

table once and for all.

Will the

0:59:250:59:33

Prime Minister support steel jobs in

Scunthorpe and elsewhere by

0:59:330:59:38

guaranteeing if the current

flexibility within the emissions

0:59:380:59:40

trading scheme is not retained until

2019, she will act immediately to

0:59:400:59:47

ensure British industry is not

financially penalise?

The honourable

0:59:470:59:53

gentleman raises an important point

and this government has done a

0:59:530:59:57

considerable amount to support the

steel industry in the United

0:59:571:00:01

Kingdom. I was pleased to be able to

earlier in the year make a visit and

1:00:011:00:06

meet with steelworkers and talk

about the prospects for steel in the

1:00:061:00:10

UK. We will look carefully to ensure

the arrangements in place of those

1:00:101:00:17

right for the national interest and

we have supported steel in the past.

1:00:171:00:22

Can I take my right honourable

friend back to the first question

1:00:221:00:26

asked by the honourable lady for

Bristol West and apart from

1:00:261:00:30

commending the quality of the BBC

programme she referred to, on the

1:00:301:00:36

issue of Prohibition of drugs

globally can I draw her attention to

1:00:361:00:39

the fact global policy is beginning

to change and in the face of the

1:00:391:00:45

evidential failure of policies since

the 1961 UN single convention on

1:00:451:00:51

prohibition of narcotics drugs, and

will she look at the evidence that

1:00:511:00:55

will emerge in the United States and

Canada on the legalisation of

1:00:551:01:02

cannabis markets there as well as

decriminalisation in Portugal and

1:01:021:01:04

elsewhere?

We are grateful. Quite

enough, we are grateful.

1:01:041:01:15

I can say to my honourable friend

that when I was Home Secretary a

1:01:151:01:20

piece of work was undertaken which

looked at the experience in a number

1:01:201:01:25

of countries and the ways they

approach this issue of drugs. I do

1:01:251:01:30

say to my right honourable friend

that I take a different opinion to

1:01:301:01:33

him in relation to drugs. I think

those who are dealing with those who

1:01:331:01:36

are affected by drugs would also do

so. I think of my constituent

1:01:361:01:47

Elizabeth Burdon Phillips who set up

Drug Fam after the suicide of her

1:01:471:01:49

son who was a drug addict. The work

she is doing because a member of the

1:01:491:01:54

family is on drugs and the

incredible damage that can do to

1:01:541:01:59

families and the individual

concerned. I'm sorry I say to my

1:01:591:02:02

honourable friend I take a different

view. I think it is right that we

1:02:021:02:06

continue to fight the war against

drugs.

The honourable member for

1:02:061:02:17

Chesterfield has migrated a

considerable way from his usual

1:02:171:02:18

place but we look forward to hearing

from him.

People with the most

1:02:181:02:22

serious disabilities find when they

move on to Universal Credit they are

1:02:221:02:26

£100 a week worse off, this is

because there is no severe

1:02:261:02:31

disability component in the payment.

Does the Prime Minister realise that

1:02:311:02:36

Universal Credit will continue to

shame had government, whilst it

1:02:361:02:40

pushes the most disabled into the

worst poverty?

I say to the

1:02:401:02:45

honourable gentleman that we spend

over £50 billion a year on benefits

1:02:451:02:49

to support disabled people and

people with health conditions. That

1:02:491:02:53

is increased by more than £7 billion

since 2010. Spending on disability

1:02:531:02:59

benefits will be higher in every

year to 2020 than it was in 2010.

1:02:591:03:06

And as regards Universal Credit, as

I have said in this chamber before,

1:03:061:03:10

Universal Credit is a simpler, more

straightforward system. But

1:03:101:03:16

crucially, Universal Credit is

helping people get into the

1:03:161:03:19

workplace and making sure they keep

more of the money that they earn.

So

1:03:191:03:25

David Amess.

Will my right

honourable friend join me in

1:03:251:03:30

congratulating the Lyon Sea branch

of the British Legion, local artist

1:03:301:03:34

Beth Hooper and Mary Lister, I'm

using a lottery grant for

1:03:341:03:39

schoolchildren in Southend to make

7500 Saran poppies and display them

1:03:391:03:46

on Southend's letters? And would she

agree with me it is a further good

1:03:461:03:51

reason to make Southend-on-Sea a

city?

IE congratulate the Leon C

1:03:511:04:03

branch of the British Legion and the

work they have done in

1:04:031:04:07

congratulating young people in

recognising the sacrifices made by

1:04:071:04:15

previous generations for our safety.

As for the last bit that is

1:04:151:04:25

interesting. I know he champions

Lee-On-Sea all the time and his bid

1:04:251:04:30

will be looked at carefully.

My constituent Haley Crawley is

1:04:301:04:36

having palliative care for bowel

cancer and she needs a specialist

1:04:361:04:40

drug. She waited months to hear that

her case for funding was rejected by

1:04:401:04:44

NHS England and we are now waiting

again to hear a reply for her

1:04:441:04:49

appeal. Please will be Prime

Minister right to NHS England and

1:04:491:04:52

ensured that her case is treated as

I priority.

Obviously, I wear this

1:04:521:05:00

will be causing distress to Haley

while she is waiting for this appeal

1:05:001:05:03

decision to come through and I am

sure the Secretary of State for

1:05:031:05:07

Health will look carefully at the

case the honourable lady has raised.

1:05:071:05:09

We were able to bring in the Cancer

Drugs Fund which has enabled some

1:05:091:05:13

patients to get access to drugs

which otherwise would not be

1:05:131:05:17

available, but I recognise the

concern and distress that her

1:05:171:05:20

constituent will be suffering from

while she awaits for this decision.

1:05:201:05:25

The Prime Minister will be aware

that under President Mugabe, British

1:05:251:05:31

citizens living in Zimbabwe,

especially land overs, suffered

1:05:311:05:34

considerably. Can she give an

assurance to the House that as we

1:05:341:05:38

seek a new regime coming into

Zimbabwe, the British government

1:05:381:05:42

will do all it can to persuade the

new regime to treat British citizens

1:05:421:05:47

living lawfully in that country,

treat them with respect and the

1:05:471:05:51

safety and security they should have

along with all other Zimbabwean

1:05:511:05:56

citizens.

My honourable friend does

raise an important point, as we see

1:05:561:06:00

this change taking place in

Zimbabwe. I have to say the

1:06:001:06:05

resignation of Robert Mugabe

provides Zimbabwe with an

1:06:051:06:07

opportunity to forge a new path,

free from the depression which has

1:06:071:06:12

characterised the past. We want to

see a democratic free secure

1:06:121:06:16

Zimbabwe, where people across

communities, and from communities

1:06:161:06:20

across Zimbabwe are able to

1:06:201:06:31

carry out their lives without fear,

without oppression and we want to

1:06:321:06:34

see that country rejoining the

international community. We have

1:06:341:06:36

obviously provided some support to

Zimbabwe in terms of UK aid, and as

1:06:361:06:39

their oldest friend, we will do

everything we can to support their

1:06:391:06:41

change into a country which is free

and democratic and free from

1:06:411:06:47

oppression from all communities.

Order.

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STUDIO:

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So Prime Minister's Questions

comes to an end and.

1:06:531:06:57

As is traditional at a Budget,

the Speaker makes way for the deputy

1:06:571:07:01

speaker, Lindsey Hoyle,

1:07:011:07:07

speaker, Lindsey Hoyle.

1:07:071:07:13

The Commons chamber now becomes the

committee of ways and Means, it is

1:07:131:07:17

called. That is the committee which

hears Budget and financial matters.

1:07:171:07:26

That is why Lindsey Hoyle the

Chairman of Ways and Means takes

1:07:261:07:30

over. Let's go back to the House and

I'm sure we will hear from the

1:07:301:07:36

Chancellor shortly.

I now call the Chancellor of the

1:07:361:07:41

Exchequer, the Right Honourable

Philip Hammond.

1:07:411:07:48

Mr Deputy Speaker, I report today on

an economy which continues to grow,

1:07:481:07:52

continues to create more jobs than

ever before, and continues to

1:07:521:07:56

confound those who seek to talk it

down. An economy is set on a path to

1:07:561:08:04

a new relationship with our European

neighbours and a new future outside

1:08:041:08:11

the European Union. A future that

will be full of change, full of new

1:08:111:08:17

challenges and above all, full of

new opportunities. And in this

1:08:171:08:20

Budget, we express our resolve to

look forwards, not backwards. To

1:08:201:08:24

embrace that change, to meet those

challenges head-on, and to seize

1:08:241:08:28

those for Britain. For negotiations

on a relationship with the EU are in

1:08:281:08:37

a critical phase. My right

honourable friend the Prime Minister

1:08:371:08:40

has been clear we seek a deep and

special partnership based on free

1:08:401:08:47

and frictionless trading goods,

close collaboration on security and

1:08:471:08:49

strong mutual respect and

friendship. As Chancellor, Mr Deputy

1:08:491:08:53

Speaker, I am clear that one of the

biggest boosts we can provide to

1:08:531:08:57

businesses and families, one of the

best ways to protect British jobs

1:08:571:09:01

and prosperity, as we build that new

future, is to make early progress in

1:09:011:09:08

delivering my right honourable

friend's vision. With an

1:09:081:09:11

implementation agreement that allows

businesses to plan and invest with

1:09:111:09:14

confidence. And this government will

make the pursuit of that progress is

1:09:141:09:19

a top priority in the weeks ahead.

But Mr Deputy Speaker, while we work

1:09:191:09:26

to achieve this deep and special

partnership, we are determined to

1:09:261:09:30

ensure that the country is prepared

for every possible outcome. We have

1:09:301:09:37

already invested almost £700 million

in Brexit preparations, and today, I

1:09:371:09:43

am setting aside over the next two

years, another £3 billion, and I

1:09:431:09:49

stand ready to allocate further sums

if and when needed. Mr Deputy

1:09:491:09:55

Speaker, no one should doubt our

resolve. But this Budget is about

1:09:551:09:59

much more than Brexit. The world is

on the brink of a technological

1:09:591:10:05

revolution, one that will change the

way that we work and live, and

1:10:051:10:10

transform our living standards for

generations to come. And we face a

1:10:101:10:15

choice. Either we embrace the

future, seize the opportunities that

1:10:151:10:19

lie within our grasp, and build on

Britain's great global success

1:10:191:10:24

story, or as the party opposite

advocates, rejects change and turn

1:10:241:10:30

inwards to the failed and irrelevant

dogmas of the past. Mr Deputy

1:10:301:10:38

Speaker, we have no doubt we choose

the future. We choose, we choose to

1:10:381:10:49

run towards change, not away from

it. To prepare our people to meet

1:10:491:10:55

the challenges ahead, not to hide

from them. And the prize will be

1:10:551:11:00

enormous. For the first time in

decades, Britain is genuinely at the

1:11:001:11:05

forefront of this technological

revolution. Not just in our

1:11:051:11:10

universities and research

institutes, but this time in the

1:11:101:11:14

commercial development labs of our

great companies and on factory

1:11:141:11:18

floors and business parks across

this land. But we must invest to

1:11:181:11:23

secure this bright future for

Britain, and that this Budget, that

1:11:231:11:26

is what we choose to do. But Mr

Deputy Speaker, we are listening,

1:11:261:11:33

and we understand the frustration of

families where real incomes or under

1:11:331:11:36

pressure. So at this Budget we

choose a balanced approach. Yes,

1:11:361:11:44

maintaining fiscal responsibility as

we last see our debt Peking.

1:11:441:11:50

Continuing to invest in the skills

and infrastructure that will support

1:11:501:11:54

the jobs of the future. Building the

homes that will make good on our

1:11:541:11:59

promise to the next generation. But

crucially, also helping families to

1:11:591:12:04

cope with the cost of living. Mr

Deputy Speaker, as we invest in our

1:12:041:12:11

country's future, I have a clear

vision of what that global Britain

1:12:111:12:13

looks like. A prosperous and

inclusive economy. Where everybody

1:12:131:12:20

has the opportunity to shine.

Wherever in these islands they live,

1:12:201:12:24

and whatever their background. Where

talent and hard work are rewarded.

1:12:241:12:29

Where the dream of home ownership is

a reality for all generations. A hub

1:12:291:12:38

of enterprise and innovation. A

beacon of creativity. A civilised

1:12:381:12:42

and tolerant place that cares for

the vulnerable and nurtures the

1:12:421:12:46

talented. And outward looking free

trading nation, a full good in the

1:12:461:12:52

world. That is the Britain that I

want to leave to my children, Mr

1:12:521:13:01

Deputy Speaker. A Britain we can be

proud of. A country fit for the

1:13:011:13:06

future. I know we will not build it

overnight, but in this Budget today

1:13:061:13:11

we will lay the foundations. I'm

being tempted with something a

1:13:111:13:18

little more exotic here, but I will

stick to plain water. I did take the

1:13:181:13:29

precaution... I did take the

precaution of asking my right

1:13:291:13:36

honourable friend to bring a packet

of cough sweets just in case.

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LAUGHTER

Mr Deputy Speaker, Mr Deputy

1:13:431:14:01

Speaker...

Order, order. I think it

might be a hearing aid we all need

1:14:011:14:07

if this continues.

Mr Deputy

Speaker, I shall first report to the

1:14:071:14:15

House on the economic forecast of

the independent OBR. This is the bit

1:14:151:14:21

with the long economic words in it.

LAUGHTER

1:14:211:14:29

Once again, I thank Robert Chote and

his team for their hard work over

1:14:291:14:36

the last few weeks. I believe

passionately that the best way to

1:14:361:14:40

improve the lives of people across

the length and breadth of this

1:14:401:14:43

country is to help them get into

work. Mr Deputy Speaker, I am

1:14:431:14:48

acutely aware that 1.4 million

people out of work is 1.4 million to

1:14:481:14:52

many. So today... Today I welcome

the OBR forecast that there will be

1:14:521:15:06

another 600,000 people in work by

2022. And I am immensely proud of

1:15:061:15:13

this government's record in having

created over 3 million new jobs

1:15:131:15:17

since 2010.

1:15:171:15:21

A far cry from the 1.2 million job

losses the right honourable member

1:15:211:15:28

for Hayes and Harlington predicted

in 2011 but in no doubt this

1:15:281:15:33

government will continue its focus

on getting more people into work,

1:15:331:15:36

giving them security and peace of

mind of a regular wage. I want work

1:15:361:15:41

to be a good well-paid and

regrettably our productivity

1:15:411:15:48

performance continues to disappoint.

The OBR assumed at each of the last

1:15:481:15:55

16 fiscal events that productivity

growth would return to its precrisis

1:15:551:15:59

trend of about 2% per year, but it

has remained stubbornly flat. Today

1:15:591:16:05

they revised down the outlook for

productivity growth, business

1:16:051:16:10

investment and GDP growth across the

forecast period. They now expect to

1:16:101:16:16

see GDP grow 1.5% in 2017, one .4 in

2018, one .3 in 2019 and 2020,

1:16:161:16:26

before picking up to 1.5% and

finally 1.6% in 2022. With inflation

1:16:261:16:36

peaking at 3% in this quarter before

falling back to target in the next

1:16:361:16:41

year. I reaffirm the remit that the

Monetary Policy Committee and its

1:16:411:16:49

inflation target. We took over an

economy with the highest budget

1:16:491:16:54

deficit in peacetime history. Since

then, thanks to the hard work of the

1:16:541:17:01

British people, that deficit has

been shrinking. Next year, it will

1:17:011:17:07

be below 2%. Our debt is still too

high and we need to get it down. Not

1:17:071:17:15

for and ideological reason, but

because successive debt undermines

1:17:151:17:20

economic security leaving is

vulnerable to shocks. It passes the

1:17:201:17:25

burden unfairly to the next

generation. And because it simply

1:17:251:17:30

cannot be right to spend more on our

debt interest than on police and

1:17:301:17:35

Armed Forces combined. I am pleased

to tell the House OBR expects debt

1:17:351:17:41

to peak this year and then gradually

fall as a share of GDP. They turning

1:17:411:17:46

point in the recovery. Mr Deputy

Speaker, apparently, not everyone

1:17:461:17:57

shares the view that falling debt is

good news. I heard representations

1:17:571:18:02

from the party opposite suggesting

increasing the debt by £500 billion.

1:18:021:18:08

Taking us back to square one,

wasting an extra £7 billion a year

1:18:081:18:14

on debt interest. If they carry on

like that, there will be plenty of

1:18:141:18:20

others joining Kezia Dugdale saying,

I'm Labour, get me out of here. Mr

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Deputy Speaker, I have rejected

these representations and instead I

1:18:331:18:39

reaffirm our pledge of fiscal

responsibility and our commitment to

1:18:391:18:43

the fiscal rules set out last

autumn. Now I choose to use some of

1:18:431:18:48

the headroom I established then so

that as well as reducing debt, we

1:18:481:18:53

can also invest in Britain's future,

support key public services, keep

1:18:531:19:00

taxes low and provide a little help

to families and businesses under

1:19:001:19:04

pressure. A balanced approach that

will prepare Britain for the future,

1:19:041:19:09

not seek to hide from it. Today the

OBR confirmed we are on track to

1:19:091:19:16

meet our fiscal rules, borrowing is

forecast to be 49.9 billion this

1:19:161:19:21

year, 8.4 billion lower than

forecast at the spring budget. After

1:19:211:19:28

taking account of all decisions

since the spring budget, the GDP

1:19:281:19:32

revision and measures I will

announce borrowing will fall in

1:19:321:19:38

every year of the forecast from 39.5

billion next year, to 25.6 point

1:19:381:19:46

6,000,000,020 2-23 to reach its

lowest level in 20 years. As a

1:19:461:19:51

percentage of GDP falls from 2.4% to

1.9% next year, then 1.6, 1.5, 1.3

1:19:511:20:00

and finally 1.1% in 22-3. The OBR

forecast the structural deficit to

1:20:001:20:08

be 1.3% of GDP in 2021, giving 14.8

billion of headroom against our 2%

1:20:081:20:16

target. Debt will peak at 86.5% of

GDP this year and then fall to 86.4,

1:20:161:20:28

then 86.1, 83.1, 79.3 and 79.1 in 22

- 23, the first sustained decline in

1:20:281:20:37

debt in 17 years. Under Conservative

led governments, the hard work of

1:20:371:20:47

the British people is steadily

clearing up the mess left behind by

1:20:471:20:51

Labour. At the heart of global

Britain must be a dynamic and

1:20:511:21:03

innovative economy. On Monday, the

Prime Minister set out key elements

1:21:031:21:08

of our modern industrial strategy,

which will raise productivity and

1:21:081:21:12

wages in all parts of the country

and guarantee a brighter future we

1:21:121:21:16

have promised to the next

generation. The Business Secretary

1:21:161:21:20

will present a White Paper in the

next few days. This is not just an

1:21:201:21:26

economic plan. It is a key part of

our vision for a fairer Britain, a

1:21:261:21:32

Britain where every one of our

citizens can contribute to and share

1:21:321:21:37

in the benefits of prosperity. And

the key to raising the wages of

1:21:371:21:41

British workers is raising

investment, public and we are

1:21:411:21:47

investing in Britain's future, half

£1 trillion since 2010, the biggest

1:21:471:21:53

rail programme since Victorian

times, the largest road-building

1:21:531:21:57

programme since the 1970s, the

biggest increase in science and

1:21:571:22:02

innovation funding in four decades

and the two largest infrastructure

1:22:021:22:07

projects in Europe, Crossrail and

HS2. When I took this job I

1:22:071:22:12

committed to make the battle to

raise Britain's productivity and the

1:22:121:22:16

nation's pay the central mission of

the Treasury. Last autumn, I

1:22:161:22:23

launched the national productivity

investment funds to provide an

1:22:231:22:29

additional £23 billion of investment

over five years, to upgrade the

1:22:291:22:32

economic infrastructure for the 21st

century. Today I announce I will

1:22:321:22:36

extend the fund a further year and

expand it to over £31 billion.

1:22:361:22:45

Meaning that public investment under

this government will on average be

1:22:451:22:51

£25 billion per year higher in real

terms than under the last Labour

1:22:511:22:55

government. We are allocating a

further £2.3 billion for investment

1:22:551:23:03

in R&B and will increase the main

RND tax credit to 12% -- R&D. To

1:23:031:23:14

drive up investment across the

economy to 2.4% of GDP. Britain is

1:23:141:23:22

the world's sixth-largest economy.

London is the number one

1:23:221:23:26

international financial services

sector and we have some of the

1:23:261:23:30

world's Best companies and a

commanding position in a raft of

1:23:301:23:33

tech and digital industries that

will form the backbone of the global

1:23:331:23:38

economy. Those who under estimate

Britain do so at their peril.

1:23:381:23:44

Because we will harness this

potential and turn it into the

1:23:441:23:49

high-paid, high productivity jobs of

tomorrow. Others may choose to

1:23:491:23:53

reject the future, we choose to

embrace it. A new tech business is

1:23:531:23:59

founded in Britain every hour. I

want that to be every half-hour.

1:23:591:24:08

Today, we invest over £500 million

in a range of initiatives from

1:24:081:24:11

artificial intelligence to five G

and four fibre broadband and support

1:24:111:24:16

regulation with the new Pioneer fund

and a new geospatial data commission

1:24:161:24:19

to develop... You should listen. To

develop a strategy for using the

1:24:191:24:28

government location data to support

economic growth and to help tech

1:24:281:24:33

start-ups reach scale we asked for a

review of availability of capital.

1:24:331:24:39

Today we are publishing an action

plan to unlock over £20 billion of

1:24:391:24:44

new investment in UK knowledge

intensive scale up businesses

1:24:441:24:49

including through a new fund in the

British business bank seeded with

1:24:491:24:53

£2.5 billion of public money by

facilitating pension-fund access to

1:24:531:24:59

long-term investment sum by doubling

investments limits for knowledge

1:24:591:25:06

intensive companies while ensuring

EI S is not used as a shelter for

1:25:061:25:11

low risk capital preservation

schemes. We stand ready to step in

1:25:111:25:15

to replace European investment fund

lending is necessary. There is

1:25:151:25:21

perhaps no technology as symbolic of

the Revolution gathering pace as

1:25:211:25:26

driverless vehicles.

1:25:261:25:29

They surely do not want me to make

the joke about the Labour Party

1:25:381:25:43

again, Mr Deputy Speaker? I know

Jeremy Clarkson does not like them

1:25:431:25:47

but there are many other good

reasons to pursue this technology.

1:25:471:25:52

Today, we step up support for it.

I'm sorry, Jeremy, definitely not

1:25:521:25:58

the first time you have been snubbed

by Hammond and May. Allah future

1:25:581:26:07

-- our future vehicles will be

driverless but there they will be

1:26:121:26:19

electric first and that is a change

that needs to come as soon as

1:26:191:26:23

possible for the planet. We will

establish a £400 million structure

1:26:231:26:28

fund and invest an extra hundred

million per plug-in car Grant and

1:26:281:26:32

more for R&D. I will clarify the law

so that people who charge electric

1:26:321:26:39

vehicles at work will not face a

benefit in kind charge from next

1:26:391:26:43

year. The tax system can play an

important role in protecting our

1:26:431:26:49

environment. We owe it to our

children the air they breathe is

1:26:491:26:53

clean and we published the air

quality plan this year and said then

1:26:531:26:57

we would fund it through taxes on

new diesel cars. From April 2018,

1:26:571:27:05

the first year rate for diesel cars

that do not meet the latest

1:27:051:27:07

standards will go up by £1 and the

existing supplement in company car

1:27:071:27:15

tax will increase by one percentage

point and drivers buying a new car

1:27:151:27:18

will avoid this charge as soon as

manufacturers bring forward the next

1:27:181:27:24

generation of cleaner diesels. We

only apply this measure to cars.

1:27:241:27:28

Before the headline writers start to

limber up, let me be clear. No white

1:27:281:27:35

van man or woman will be hit by

these measures. This levy will fund

1:27:351:27:48

a new £220 million cleaner fund to

provide support for the

1:27:481:27:52

implementation of local air quality

plans, improving the quality of air

1:27:521:27:57

in cities and towns in the UK. Our

air quality is sadly not our only

1:27:571:28:04

environmental challenge. Audiences

in the country glued to Blue Planet

1:28:041:28:11

have been reminded of the problems

of plastics pollution. The UK lead

1:28:111:28:15

the world on climate change

agreements and pioneers protecting

1:28:151:28:19

marine environment and I want us to

be a world leader in tackling the

1:28:191:28:24

scourge of plastic littering the

planet and oceans. With my right

1:28:241:28:28

honourable friend the Environment

Secretary I will investigate how the

1:28:281:28:32

tax system and charges on single use

plastic items can reduce waste. We

1:28:321:28:39

cannot keep our promise to the next

generation to build an economy fit

1:28:391:28:43

for the future unless we ensure our

planet has a future. Meeting the

1:28:431:28:51

challenge of change head on means

giving our people the confidence to

1:28:511:28:56

embrace it and the skills to reap

the rewards and we have a plan to do

1:28:561:29:00

so. We are delivering 3 million

apprenticeships by 2020 thanks to

1:29:001:29:06

the apprenticeship levy and I will

review the flexibility levy payers

1:29:061:29:10

have to spend this. We are

introducing T levels and I am

1:29:101:29:17

providing £20 million to support

colleges to prepare for them.

1:29:171:29:22

Knowledge of maths is key to the

high-tech, cutting edge jobs in our

1:29:221:29:28

digital economy. It is useful in

less glamorous roles like front line

1:29:281:29:31

politics! We will expand the

teaching for mastery of maths

1:29:311:29:39

programme to further 3000 schools

and provide 40 million to train

1:29:391:29:45

maths teachers and introduce a £600

maths premium for schools for every

1:29:451:29:50

additional people who takes a level

maths and invite proposals for new

1:29:501:29:59

maths schools across England so

highly talented young mathematicians

1:29:591:30:03

can release their potential wherever

they live and what ever their

1:30:031:30:06

background.

1:30:061:30:12

More maths for everyone. Don't let

anyone say I don't know how to show

1:30:121:30:16

the nation a good time!

Computer science is also at the

1:30:161:30:27

heart of this revolution. So we will

ensure every secondary school pupil

1:30:271:30:33

can study computing by tripling the

number of trained computer science

1:30:331:30:38

teachers to 12,000. And we will work

with industry to create a new

1:30:381:30:44

national centre for computing. But

Mr Deputy Speaker, rapid

1:30:441:30:47

technological change means we also

need to help people we train during

1:30:471:30:52

their working lives, ensuring our

workforce is equipped with the

1:30:521:30:55

skills they need for the workplace

of the future. Today, my right

1:30:551:31:01

honourable friend the Education

Secretary and I are launching an

1:31:011:31:04

historic partnership between

government, the CBI and the TUC to

1:31:041:31:09

set the strategic direction for a

national retraining scheme. Its

1:31:091:31:13

first priority will be to boost

digital skills and support expansion

1:31:131:31:17

of the construction centre. To make

a start immediately, we will invest

1:31:171:31:22

£30 million in the development of

digital skills distance learning

1:31:221:31:26

courses, so people can learn

wherever they are and whenever they

1:31:261:31:29

want. I'm pleased to be able to

accept the representation that I

1:31:291:31:33

have

1:31:331:31:43

received from the TUC, to continue

to fund union learn which I

1:31:451:31:48

recognise as a valuable part of our

support to workplace learning. Mr

1:31:481:31:54

Deputy Speaker, I got an e-mail from

Len asking me especially, backing

1:31:541:32:05

skills is key to unlocking growth

nationally, but far too much of our

1:32:051:32:09

economic strength is concentrated in

our capital city. If we are truly to

1:32:091:32:13

build an economy that is fit for the

future, then we have to get all

1:32:131:32:17

parts of the UK firing on all

cylinders, and that is what our

1:32:171:32:22

modern industrial strategy is all

about. Today, we back the Northern

1:32:221:32:28

Powerhouse, the Midlands engine and

elected mayors across the UK. We

1:32:281:32:31

back them with a new 1.7 £1.7

billion transforming cities fund,

1:32:311:32:39

half of it to be shared with the six

areas with Metro mayors, to give

1:32:391:32:43

them power to deal with transport

priorities, and the remainder will

1:32:431:32:47

be opened to competition in other

cities in England. We are investing

1:32:471:32:54

£300 million to assure HS2

infrastructure will incorporate

1:32:541:32:57

Northern Powerhouse and Midland

engine improvements. I am also

1:32:571:33:04

providing money to trial digital

solutions on the trans-Pennine

1:33:041:33:09

route. We are developing a punch

with Manchester and I'm pleased to

1:33:091:33:20

announce a second devolution deal

with Andy Street and we will find

1:33:201:33:26

the replacement of the 40 old

rolling stock on the Tyne at where

1:33:261:33:30

Metro and a total investment of 337

million pounds. We will invest £123

1:33:301:33:36

million in the Redcar steel

steelwork sites to support the work

1:33:361:33:49

of those leading the fight for

prosperity in that area. Mr Deputy

1:33:491:33:57

Speaker, we are piloting 100%

business rates retention in London

1:33:571:34:01

next year, and continuing to work

with TFL on the funding and

1:34:011:34:06

financing of Crossrail two. We will

also make over £1 billion of

1:34:061:34:12

discounted lending available to

local authorities across the country

1:34:121:34:16

to support high-value infrastructure

projects. A Conservative government

1:34:161:34:20

giving power back to the people of

Britain, and driving prosperity and

1:34:201:34:27

greater fairness across our United

Kingdom.

1:34:271:34:30

The decisions taken in this Budget

also mean £2 billion more for the

1:34:301:34:35

Scottish Government, £1.2 billion

more for the Welsh Government, and

1:34:351:34:44

156 mg more for the Northern Ireland

Executive. I can confirm today

1:34:441:34:49

progress is being made on the city

's deal for Terry and Stirling. I'm

1:34:491:34:55

getting used to the experience of

having my ear bent by 13

1:34:551:35:02

Conservatives Scottish colleagues.

Most recently on the issue of

1:35:021:35:09

Scottish police and fire VAT. The

SNP knew the rules, they knew the

1:35:091:35:17

consequences of introducing these

bodies and they ploughed ahead

1:35:171:35:19

anyway. My Scottish Conservative

colleagues have persuaded me that

1:35:191:35:30

the Scottish people should not lose

out just because of the obstinacy of

1:35:301:35:35

the SNP government. So we will

legislate to allow VAT refunds from

1:35:351:35:47

April 20 18. And in response to yet

more representations from my

1:35:471:35:52

honourable Scottish friends, aided

and abetted by my honourable friend

1:35:521:35:55

for Waverley, from November 2018, we

will introduce agile is there a tax

1:35:551:36:00

history for transfers of gas in the

North Sea, an innovative tax policy

1:36:001:36:06

which will bring fresh investment to

a base on which still holds up to 20

1:36:061:36:10

billion barrels of oil. We will

begin negotiations towards great

1:36:101:36:17

deals the North Wales and mid Wales,

and we will abolish tolls on the

1:36:171:36:22

Severn Bridge as promised by the end

of next year. We will deliver on our

1:36:221:36:27

commitment to review the effect of

VAT and APD on tourism in Northern

1:36:271:36:32

Ireland, reporting on next year's

Budget and we will open negotiations

1:36:321:36:37

for a Belfast city deal as part of

our commitment to an ambitious set

1:36:371:36:41

of city deals across Northern

Ireland. A Conservative government

1:36:411:36:46

delivering for all parts of our

United Kingdom. It is only by

1:36:461:36:55

supporting our regions and nations,

dealing with our debts and investing

1:36:551:36:59

in skills and infrastructure for the

long term, that we can build an

1:36:591:37:03

economy fit for the future. But I

recognise that many people are

1:37:031:37:07

feeling pressure on their budgets

now. And because we are all in

1:37:071:37:11

politics to make people's lives

better, in the short term as well as

1:37:111:37:17

the long-term, we will take further

measures in this Budget to help

1:37:171:37:21

families and businesses where we

can. The switch to Universal Credit

1:37:211:37:27

is a long overdue and necessary

reform. Replacing Labour's broken

1:37:271:37:33

system that discouraged people from

working more than 16 hours a week

1:37:331:37:38

and trapped 1.4 million on out of

work benefits for nearly a decade,

1:37:381:37:43

Universal Credit delivers a modern

welfare system where work always

1:37:431:37:47

pays and people are supported to

earn. But I recognise, Mr Deputy

1:37:471:37:56

Speaker, the genuine concerns on

both sides of the House at about the

1:37:561:37:59

operational delivery of this

benefit, and today we will act on

1:37:591:38:01

those concerns. First, we will

remove the seven-day waiting period

1:38:011:38:07

applied at the beginning of a

benefit claim, so that entitlement

1:38:071:38:11

to Universal Credit will start on

the day of the claim. To provide

1:38:111:38:16

greater support during the waiting

period, we will change the advance

1:38:161:38:20

the system to ensure any household

needs it can access a full month's

1:38:201:38:24

payment within five days of

applying. We will make it possible

1:38:241:38:29

to apply for an advanced online. We

will extend the repayment period for

1:38:291:38:35

advances from six months to 12

months, and any new Universal Credit

1:38:351:38:40

claimant in receipt of housing

benefit at the time of the claim

1:38:401:38:44

will continue to receive that

housing benefit for a further two

1:38:441:38:49

weeks, making it easier for them to

pay their rent. This, Mr Deputy

1:38:491:38:55

Speaker, is a £1.5 billion package

to address concerns about the

1:38:551:38:59

delivery of the benefit. My right

honourable friend the Secretary of

1:38:591:39:07

State for Work and Pensions will

give further details in a statement

1:39:071:39:09

to the House tomorrow. We also want

to help low income households in

1:39:091:39:14

areas where rents have been rising

fastest. In the long run, of course,

1:39:141:39:19

the answer lies in increasing the

amount of housing available, a theme

1:39:191:39:24

I shall return to. In the meantime,

the best way to help them is by

1:39:241:39:28

increasing the rate of support in

those areas where rents are least

1:39:281:39:32

affordable. We will increase

targeted affordability funding by

1:39:321:39:38

£125 million over the next two

years, benefiting 140,000 people. We

1:39:381:39:44

will always listen to genuine

concerns and act where we can to

1:39:441:39:49

help. Making work pay is core to the

philosophy of this government. That

1:39:491:39:56

is why we introduced the National

Living Wage in 2016. In April, it

1:39:561:40:01

will rise by 4.4%, from £7 50 an

hour, to £7 83, handing full-time

1:40:011:40:12

workers a further £600 pay increase,

taking their total pay rise since

1:40:121:40:16

its introduction to over £2000 a

year. We also accept the low pay

1:40:161:40:23

commission's recommendations on

national minimum wage rates,

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supporting our young people with the

largest increase in youth rates in

1:40:271:40:31

ten years, delivering a pay rise for

over 2 million minimum wage workers

1:40:311:40:40

of all ages across the country. The

facts are these. Income inequality

1:40:401:40:43

today is at its lowest level in 30

years. The top 1% are paying a

1:40:431:40:49

larger share of income taxes than at

any time under the last Labour

1:40:491:40:54

government. The poorest 10% in

Britain have seen their real incomes

1:40:541:40:59

grow faster than 2010 than the

richest 10%, and the proportion of

1:40:591:41:04

full-time jobs that are low paid is

at its lowest level for 20 years. A

1:41:041:41:12

Conservative government delivering a

fairer Britain. But as well as

1:41:121:41:19

making work pay, we want families to

keep more of the money they earn.

1:41:191:41:23

When we came into office, the

personal allowance stood at £6,475 a

1:41:231:41:29

year. From April, I will increase

the personal allowance to £11,850,

1:41:291:41:36

and the higher rate threshold to

£46,350, making progress towards our

1:41:361:41:44

manifesto commitments, which I

reiterate today. The typical basic

1:41:441:41:49

rate taxpayer will be £1075 a year

better off than 2010, and a

1:41:491:41:54

full-time worker on the National

Living Wage will take home more than

1:41:541:41:59

£3800 extra. This Conservative

government delivering for Britain's

1:41:591:42:04

workers. Mr Deputy Speaker, I turn

now to duties. The tobacco duty

1:42:041:42:14

escalator will continue with an

extra 1% duty on hand-rolling duty

1:42:141:42:21

this year and minimum excise duty on

cigarettes will also rise. Excessive

1:42:211:42:25

alcohol consumption and the most

vulnerable people is all too often

1:42:251:42:30

through cheap high-strength low

quality products, especially

1:42:301:42:34

so-called white ciders. I want to

pay tribute to the campaign led by

1:42:341:42:38

my honourable friend for Congleton

on this issue, and so following our

1:42:381:42:43

recent consultation, we will

legislate to increase duty on these

1:42:431:42:48

products from 2019. But recognising

the pressure on household budgets,

1:42:481:42:51

and backing our great British pubs,

duties on other sliders, wines,

1:42:511:42:56

spirits and on beer will be frozen.

This will mean a bottle of whiskey

1:42:561:43:07

will be £1.15 less in 2018 than if

we had continued with Labour's

1:43:071:43:12

plans, and a pint of beer 12p less.

So Merry Christmas, Mr Deputy

1:43:121:43:18

Speaker. The cost of travel is also

an important factor for families and

1:43:181:43:25

businesses. From April 2019, I will

again freeze short-haul air

1:43:251:43:30

passenger duty rates, and I will

also frees long-haul economy rates,

1:43:301:43:34

paid for by an increase on premium

class tickets and on private jets.

1:43:341:43:39

Sorry, Lewis. For those who do not

stretch to a private jet, I can

1:43:391:43:46

announce a new Railcard for those

aged 26 to 30, giving 4.5 million

1:43:461:43:52

more young people a third of their

rail fares. And I will once again

1:43:521:43:59

cancel the fuel duty rise for both

petrol and diesel that is scheduled

1:43:591:44:04

for April. Since 2010, we will have

saved the average car driver £850,

1:44:041:44:13

and the average van driver over

£2100, compared to Labour's

1:44:131:44:19

escalator plans. Fuel duty has now

been frozen for the longest period

1:44:191:44:24

in 40 years, at a total cost to the

Exchequer of £46 billion, is since

1:44:241:44:32

2010. Mr Deputy Speaker, our NHS is

one of our great institutions. An

1:44:321:44:37

essential part of what we are as a

nation. And a source of pride the

1:44:371:44:43

length and breadth of the country.

Its values are the values of the

1:44:431:44:47

British people, and we will always

back it. Dedicated NHS staff are

1:44:471:44:53

handling the challenges of an ageing

population and the rapidly advancing

1:44:531:44:58

technology with skill and commitment

and we salute them. Mr Deputy

1:44:581:45:02

Speaker, although you would not

think so to listen to the Leader of

1:45:021:45:06

the Opposition, as he regularly

talks down the achievements of the

1:45:061:45:13

NHS, the number of patients being

treated is at record levels, cancer

1:45:131:45:17

survival rates are at the highest

ever level, 17 million people are

1:45:171:45:22

now able to access GP appointments

in the evenings and weekends, and

1:45:221:45:26

public satisfaction among hospital

inpatients is at its highest level

1:45:261:45:31

in more than 20 years.

1:45:311:45:36

It is central to this government's

vision everyone has access to the

1:45:361:45:41

NHS free at the point of need which

is why we endorsed and funded the

1:45:411:45:48

five-year forward view in 2014 but

even with this additional funding we

1:45:481:45:51

acknowledge the service remains

under pressure and today we respond.

1:45:511:45:55

First, we will deliver an additional

£10 billion package of capital

1:45:551:46:01

investment in front line services

over the course of this Parliament,

1:46:011:46:06

to support the sustainability and

transformation plans that will make

1:46:061:46:12

our NHS more resilient, investing

for an NHS fit for the future. We

1:46:121:46:17

also recognise that the NHS is under

pressure right now. I am therefore

1:46:171:46:23

exceptionally and outside the

spending review process making an

1:46:231:46:26

additional commitment of resource

funding of £2.8 billion to the NHS

1:46:261:46:32

in England. £350 million immediately

to allow trusts to plan for this

1:46:321:46:39

winter. 1.6 billion in 2018-19 but

the balance in 19-20, taking the

1:46:391:46:47

extra resource into the NHS next

year to £3.75 billion in total.

1:46:471:46:57

Meaning, Mr Deputy Speaker, our NHS

will receive a £7.5 billion increase

1:46:571:47:06

to its resource budget over this

year and next. Our nation's nurses

1:47:061:47:13

provide invaluable support to us all

in our time of greatest need and

1:47:131:47:19

deserve our deepest gratitude for

their tireless efforts. My right

1:47:191:47:23

honourable friend the Health

Secretary has begun discussions with

1:47:231:47:27

health unions on pay structure

modernisation for staff to improve

1:47:271:47:34

recruitment and retention. He will

submit evidence to the independent

1:47:341:47:38

pay review body in due course. I

want to assure NHS staff and

1:47:381:47:43

patients and members that if the

Health Secretary's talks bear fruit,

1:47:431:47:48

I will protect patient services by

providing additional funding for

1:47:481:47:51

such a settlement. Just as our

public services must be fit for the

1:47:511:48:01

future, so too must our tax system.

It must remain competitive to

1:48:011:48:06

attract the brightest and best to

establish and grow businesses of the

1:48:061:48:10

future. It must raise revenue we

need to fund public services and it

1:48:101:48:15

must be robust against abuse so it

is fair to all. We have heard talk

1:48:151:48:20

recently from the party opposite

about what they would do to crack

1:48:201:48:24

down on tax avoidance and evasion,

but the truth is, they did not. It

1:48:241:48:31

is this government that has clamped

down on avoidance and evasion, this

1:48:311:48:35

government has seen the tax gap cut

by a quarter to a record low and

1:48:351:48:40

this government that has raked in an

extra £160 billion over seven years

1:48:401:48:47

for our public services by

collecting taxes due so I will take

1:48:471:48:51

no lectures, but I will take action

and this budget continues the work

1:48:511:48:59

of the last seven years with a

further package of measures that is

1:48:591:49:04

forecast to raise £4.8 billion by

2022-3, doing the job Labour failed

1:49:041:49:11

to do for 13 years in office. Our

long-term phased reduction of

1:49:111:49:20

corporation tax has generated

investment and jobs and raised £20

1:49:201:49:24

billion extra for public services.

We are committed to maintaining

1:49:241:49:30

competitive corporation tax rates

that there is a case for removing

1:49:301:49:33

the anomaly of the index allowance

for capital gains bringing the

1:49:331:49:39

corporate tax system into line with

personal capital gains tax system. I

1:49:391:49:43

will freeze this allowance so

companies receive relief for

1:49:431:49:47

inflation up to January 2018 but not

thereafter. I am grateful to the

1:49:471:49:53

office for tax simplification on

their report on VAT registration

1:49:531:49:58

threshold. At £85,000 the UK VAT

threshold is by far the highest in

1:49:581:50:06

the OECD, by contrast in Germany it

is £15,600. I note the conclusion

1:50:061:50:13

that it distorts competition and

dis- incentivise is business growth

1:50:131:50:19

and note the Federation of Small

Businesses concerns about the cliff

1:50:191:50:23

edge of the threshold but such a

high threshold has the benefit of

1:50:231:50:28

keeping the majority of small

businesses out of VAT altogether so

1:50:281:50:33

I am not minded to reduce the

threshold. I will consult on whether

1:50:331:50:42

it -- its design could better

incentivise growth and we will

1:50:421:50:46

maintain it at the current level for

the next two years. We cannot build

1:50:461:50:51

an economy fit for the future

without supporting its backbone, our

1:50:511:50:59

5.5 million small businesses, who

are responsible for nearly half our

1:50:591:51:04

private sector jobs. They give the

economy its vibrancy and resilience.

1:51:041:51:09

I recognise many are feeling under

pressure. I know that it is hard

1:51:091:51:15

work to get a business off the

ground and get it to grow, so today

1:51:151:51:19

I want to do what we can to ease

that pressure. Business rates

1:51:191:51:25

represent a high fixed cost for

small businesses. At budget 2016 we

1:51:251:51:31

introduced a package of business

rate relief worth almost £9 billion

1:51:311:51:37

with a further £435 million in the

spring budget. Today I go further.

1:51:371:51:43

We have listened to concerns about

the potential costs of the annual up

1:51:431:51:48

rating of business rates in April.

Today I will accept the

1:51:481:51:53

representation of the British

Chambers of Commerce, CBI and others

1:51:531:51:57

and bring forward the planned switch

from RPI to CPI by two years to

1:51:571:52:05

April 2018, a move that is worth

£2.3 billion to business over the

1:52:051:52:09

next five years. I have listened to

businesses affected by the so-called

1:52:091:52:16

staircase tax. We will change the

law to ensure where a businesses

1:52:161:52:21

impacted by the ruling, it can have

its original bill reinstated if it

1:52:211:52:25

chooses and backdated and I hope I

can expect cross-party backing to

1:52:251:52:31

speed that measure through

Parliament. Three simple steps to

1:52:311:52:37

solve the staircase tax. What do

they expect, it is the tax section?

1:52:371:52:44

To support the thousands of small

pubs at the heart of many

1:52:441:52:49

communities, we will extend the

£1000 discount with the rateable

1:52:491:52:53

value of less than the amount to

March 20 19. I have heard the

1:52:531:53:03

concerns about the five-year

reevaluation system and shorter

1:53:031:53:06

periods will reduce the size of

changes in valuation that I can

1:53:061:53:10

announce after the next revaluation

future revaluation will take place

1:53:101:53:15

every three years. This Conservative

government is listening to small

1:53:151:53:18

business. There is a wider concern

across this House and in the

1:53:181:53:25

business community about the tax

system in the digital age. Along

1:53:251:53:29

with innovation and growth it

brings, digitalisation poses

1:53:291:53:35

challenges for the sustainability

and fairness of our tax system but

1:53:351:53:39

this challenge can only properly be

solved on an international basis and

1:53:391:53:43

the UK is leading the charge in the

OECD and G20 to find solutions.

1:53:431:53:49

Today we publish a paper on the tax

challenge posed by the digital

1:53:491:53:54

economy, setting out emerging

thinking about potential solutions,

1:53:541:53:58

but in the meantime we will take

what action we can. Multinational

1:53:581:54:05

digital businesses pay billions in

royalties to jurisdictions where

1:54:051:54:08

they are not taxed and some of these

royalties relate to UK sales. From

1:54:081:54:16

April 2019 and in accordance with

international obligations we will

1:54:161:54:20

apply income tax to royalties

relating to UK sales when those

1:54:201:54:24

royalties are paid to a low tax

jurisdiction, even if they do not

1:54:241:54:29

fall to be taxed in the UK under

current rules. This will raise about

1:54:291:54:36

£200 million a year. It does not

solve the problem, but it sends a

1:54:361:54:42

signal of our determination and we

will continue to work in the

1:54:421:54:46

international arena to find a

sustainable and fair long-term

1:54:461:54:50

solution that properly taxes digital

businesses that operate in

1:54:501:54:53

cyberspace. Following

representations from a number of

1:54:531:54:59

honourable friends we are taking

action to address online VAT fraud

1:54:591:55:03

that costs the taxpayer £1.2 billion

per year, by making all online

1:55:031:55:09

marketplaces jointly liable with

their sellers for VAT, ensuring

1:55:091:55:15

sellers operating through them pay

the right VAT just we expect

1:55:151:55:20

retailers on the high street to do.

I want to turn to the challenge of

1:55:201:55:26

the housing market. Before I do, I

want to touch on the aftermath of

1:55:261:55:31

the appalling events at Grenfell

Tower. We have provided financial

1:55:311:55:36

support for victims of this terrible

tragedy and today I announce we will

1:55:361:55:41

provide Kensington and Chelsea

Council with a further £28 million

1:55:411:55:47

for mental health and counselling

services, the generation support and

1:55:471:55:51

to provide a new community space for

residents. This tragedy should never

1:55:511:55:57

have happened and we must ensure

nothing like it ever happens again.

1:55:571:56:04

All local authorities and housing

associations must carry out any

1:56:041:56:09

identified necessary safety work as

soon as possible. If any local

1:56:091:56:14

authority cannot access funding to

pay for essential fire safety work,

1:56:141:56:18

they should contact us immediately,

and I have said before and will

1:56:181:56:23

again today, we will not allow

financial constraints to get in the

1:56:231:56:28

way of essential fire safety work. I

want to also address the issue of

1:56:281:56:35

empty properties. It cannot be right

to leave property empty when so many

1:56:351:56:41

are desperate for a place to live.

We will legislate to give local

1:56:411:56:46

authorities the power to charge a

100% council tax premium on empty

1:56:461:56:51

properties. We will also launch a

consultation on barriers to longer

1:56:511:56:57

tenancies in the private rented

sector and how we might encourage

1:56:571:57:00

landlords to offer them to tenants

who want extra security. I want to

1:57:001:57:05

say something about rough sleeping.

It is not acceptable in 21st-century

1:57:051:57:11

Britain people are sleeping on the

streets. We will invest today £28

1:57:111:57:17

million in three new housing first

pilots in the West Midlands,

1:57:171:57:22

Manchester and in Liverpool, and we

will establish a task force as part

1:57:221:57:27

of our commitment to halving rough

sleeping by 2022 and eliminating it

1:57:271:57:31

by 2027. I would like to thank the

many colleagues who submitted ideas

1:57:311:57:39

on how to tackle the challenge of

the housing market, including my

1:57:391:57:44

honourable friends for North East

Hampshire, Eastleigh and

1:57:441:57:47

Weston-Super-Mare in particular. By

continuing to invest in Britain's

1:57:471:57:53

infrastructure, skills and R&D, we

will ensure productivity and

1:57:531:57:58

economic growth that is the key to

delivering a stronger, fairer and

1:57:581:58:03

more balanced economy and the

assurance to the next generation of

1:58:031:58:08

their economic security, but however

successful in that endeavour, there

1:58:081:58:11

is an area where young people will

rightly feel concerned about their

1:58:111:58:16

future prospects and that is in the

housing market. House prices are

1:58:161:58:21

increasingly out of reach. It takes

too long to save for a deposit and

1:58:211:58:26

rents absorbed too high a portion of

monthly income. The number of 25-34

1:58:261:58:33

year old is owning their own home

has dropped from 59% to 38% in 13

1:58:331:58:39

years. Put simply, successive

governments over decades have failed

1:58:391:58:45

to build enough homes to deliver the

homeowning dream this country has

1:58:451:58:50

always been proud of, or indeed to

meet the needs of those who rent. In

1:58:501:58:56

Manchester a few weeks ago the Prime

Minister made a pledge to the

1:58:561:59:00

younger generation that she would

dedicate her premiership to fixing

1:59:001:59:04

this problem and today we take the

next steps to delivering on that

1:59:041:59:08

pledge. By choosing to build we send

a message to the next generation

1:59:081:59:14

that getting on the housing ladder

is not just a dream of your parents

1:59:141:59:21

passed, but a reality for your

future. We have started with schemes

1:59:211:59:25

like help to buy that has helped

320,000 people buy a home. We have

1:59:251:59:29

increased the supply of homes. By

more than 1.1 billion since 2010.

1:59:291:59:40

Including almost 350,000 affordable

homes -- by more than 1.1 million.

1:59:401:59:46

The latest figures show that over

217,000 additional homes were added

1:59:461:59:54

to the stock last year, that is a

remarkable achievement, but we need

1:59:541:59:59

to do better still if we are to see

affordability improved. This is a

1:59:592:00:05

complex challenge and there is no

single magic bullet. If we don't

2:00:052:00:11

increase the supply of land for new

homes, more money will simply

2:00:112:00:15

inflate prices and make matters

worse. If we don't do more to

2:00:152:00:20

support the growth of the SMT

house-building sector that was all

2:00:202:00:24

but wiped out by Labour's great

recession, we will remain dependent

2:00:242:00:31

on the major national house-builders

that dominate the industry. --

2:00:312:00:36

growth of the SME house-building

sector. Solving this challenge will

2:00:362:00:44

require money and it will require

planning reform and it will require

2:00:442:00:49

intervention. So today we set out an

ambitious plan to tackle the housing

2:00:492:00:54

challenge. Over the next five years

we will commit a total of at least

2:00:542:01:00

£44 billion of capital funding,

loans and guarantees to support our

2:01:002:01:05

housing market, to boost the supply

of skills, resources and building

2:01:052:01:09

land and to create the financial

incentives to deliver 300,000 net

2:01:092:01:16

additional homes on average by the

mid-20 20s, the biggest annual

2:01:162:01:20

increase in housing supply

2:01:202:01:26

New money for the fund to get SME

house-building began, a £30 million

2:01:262:01:33

fund, a further £2.7 billion to more

than double the housing

2:01:332:01:39

infrastructure fund, £400 million

more for a state regeneration, air

2:01:392:01:44

£1.1 billion fund to unlock

strategic sites, including new

2:01:442:01:48

settlements and urban regeneration

schemes, a listing of H R eight caps

2:01:482:01:56

for councils in high demand areas to

get them building again and £8

2:01:562:01:59

billion of new financial guarantees

to support house-building and the

2:01:592:02:05

private rented sector. Because we

need a workforce to build these new

2:02:052:02:08

homes, we are providing an

additional 30 formally in pounds to

2:02:082:02:12

develop construction skills across

the country. Mr Deputy Speaker,

2:02:122:02:17

solving the housing challenge takes

more than money, it takes planning

2:02:172:02:20

reform. We will focus on the urban

areas where people want to live, and

2:02:202:02:25

where most jobs are created, making

best use of our urban land and

2:02:252:02:31

continuing the strong protection of

our green belt. In particular,

2:02:312:02:39

building high-quality high density

homes in city centres and around

2:02:392:02:42

major transport hubs. And to put the

needs of our young people first, we

2:02:422:02:48

will insure that councils in high

demand areas permit more homes for

2:02:482:02:54

first-time buyers and affordable

renters. The Communities Secretary

2:02:542:02:59

will set out more detailed in a

statement to the House in due

2:02:592:03:03

course. However, one thing is very

clear, there is a significant gap

2:03:032:03:08

between the number of planning

permission is granted, and the

2:03:082:03:11

number of homes built. In London

alone, there are 270,000 residential

2:03:112:03:20

planning permission is an built. We

need to understand why -- not built.

2:03:202:03:28

I'm establishing an urgent review to

look at the gap between planning

2:03:282:03:33

permissions and housing starts. It

will be chaired by the member for

2:03:332:03:37

West Dorset and will deliver an

interim report in time for the

2:03:372:03:45

spring statement next year. And if

that report finds that fighter Lee

2:03:452:03:50

needed land is being withheld from

the market for commercial rather

2:03:502:03:56

than technical reasons, we will

intervene to change the incentives

2:03:562:04:00

to ensure such land is brought

forward for development, using

2:04:002:04:05

direct intervention, compulsory

purchase powers as necessary. My

2:04:052:04:09

right honourable friend the Prime

Minister has said we will fix this

2:04:092:04:14

problem, and no one should doubt the

Government's determination to do so.

2:04:142:04:21

But the solution will not deliver

itself. Local authorities will need

2:04:212:04:27

help and support. Developers will

need encouragement and persuasion.

2:04:272:04:34

Infrastructure to facilitate higher

density development must be funded

2:04:342:04:38

undelivered. So the Homes and

Communities Agency will expand to

2:04:382:04:43

become homes England bringing

together money, expertise and

2:04:432:04:48

planning and compulsory purchase

powers with a clear remit to

2:04:482:04:52

facilitate delivery of sufficient

new homes where they are most

2:04:522:04:57

needed, to deliver a sustained

improvement in housing

2:04:572:04:59

affordability. The battle to achieve

and sustain affordability will be a

2:04:592:05:06

long-term one, so we also need to

look beyond this Parliament, to

2:05:062:05:11

long-term measures. We will use new

town development corporations to

2:05:112:05:15

kick-start five new locally agreed

garden towns in areas of demand

2:05:152:05:20

pressure, delivered through

public-private partnerships,

2:05:202:05:25

designed to attract long-term

capital investment from around the

2:05:252:05:26

world. Last week, the National in

the structure commission published

2:05:262:05:33

their report on the Cambridge Milton

Keynes Oxford corridor. Today, we

2:05:332:05:37

back their vision and commit to

building up to 1 million homes by

2:05:372:05:43

2050, completing the road and rail

infrastructure to support them. As a

2:05:432:05:47

down payment on this plan, we have

agreed an ambitious housing deal

2:05:472:05:52

with Oxfordshire, to deliver 100,000

homes by 2031. Capitalising on the

2:05:522:05:59

global reputations of our two most

famous universities and Britain's

2:05:592:06:04

biggest new town, to create a

dynamic new growth corridor for the

2:06:042:06:08

21st century. Mr Deputy Speaker,

this is our plan to deliver on the

2:06:082:06:14

pledge we have made to the next

generation. That the dream of home

2:06:142:06:20

ownership will become a reality in

this country once again. But I also

2:06:202:06:25

want to take action today to help

young people who are saving to own a

2:06:252:06:30

home. One of the biggest challenges

facing young first-time buyers is

2:06:302:06:35

the cash required upfront. We have

put £10 billion more money into Help

2:06:352:06:40

to Buy equity loan to help those

saving for a deposit, but I want to

2:06:402:06:46

do more still. I have received

representations for a temporary

2:06:462:06:49

stamp duty holiday to first-time

buyers, but this would only help

2:06:492:06:54

those who are ready to purchase now,

and would offer nothing for the many

2:06:542:06:59

who will need to save for years. So

with effect from today, for all

2:06:592:07:05

first-time buyer purchases up to

£300,000, I am abolishing stamp duty

2:07:052:07:10

altogether.

2:07:102:07:19

If you want more, you are going to

have to let the Chancellor finish!

2:07:352:07:40

Chancellor of the Exchequer.

And Mr

Deputy Speaker, to ensure this

2:07:402:07:46

release also helps first-time buyers

in very high-priced areas like

2:07:462:07:52

London, it will also be available on

the first £300,000 on the purchase

2:07:522:07:56

price of properties up to £500,000.

Meaning an effective reduction of

2:07:562:08:04

£5,000. Mr Deputy Speaker, that is a

stamp duty cut for 95% of all

2:08:042:08:11

first-time buyers who pay stamp

duty, and no stamp duty at all of

2:08:112:08:17

80% of first-time buyers from today.

When we say we will revive the

2:08:172:08:21

homeowning dream in Britain, we mean

it. We do not underestimate the

2:08:212:08:26

scale of the challenge, but today we

have made a substantial down

2:08:262:08:31

payment. Mr Deputy Speaker, one of

the things that I love most about

2:08:312:08:38

this country is its sense of

opportunity. I have always felt it

2:08:382:08:43

and I want young people growing up

today to have that same sense of

2:08:432:08:48

boundless opportunity. In this

Budget, I have set out a vision for

2:08:482:08:53

Britain's future, and a plan for

delivering it. But by getting our

2:08:532:08:58

debt down, by supporting British

families and businesses, by

2:08:582:09:01

investing in the technologies and

the skills of the future, by

2:09:012:09:06

creating the homes and

infrastructure our country needs, we

2:09:062:09:09

are at a turning point in our

history, and we resolve to look

2:09:092:09:15

forwards, not backwards. To build on

the strengths of the British

2:09:152:09:19

economy, to embrace change, not hide

from it. To seize the opportunities

2:09:192:09:24

ahead of us, and together, to build

a Britain fit for the future. I

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commend this statement to the House.

STUDIO: And the Chancellor was on

2:09:292:09:37

his feet for just a little bit more

than an hour there. He sits down. We

2:09:372:09:42

will be back to the House to hear

the response from Jeremy Corbyn, the

2:09:422:09:46

Leader of the Opposition. Before we

do, we have time to go through some

2:09:462:09:51

of the main measures. A lot of this

taking place in the context of the

2:09:512:09:55

downgraded growth by the Office for

Budget Responsibility for this year,

2:09:552:09:58

next year and the year after that.

There were a few rabbits he pulled

2:09:582:10:04

out. Stamp duty now abolished for

first-time buyers on properties up

2:10:042:10:09

to £300,000. That will happen right

away. 300,000 new homes a year. Now

2:10:092:10:15

he is saying that is the target by

the mid-20 20s. They are committed

2:10:152:10:20

to building 200,000 new homes so I

don't think it will take that long

2:10:202:10:29

to get to 300,000. Fuel duty is

frozen for another year. That seems

2:10:292:10:33

to be a measure that is baked into

every Budget we have a cover but

2:10:332:10:38

there will be additional funding to

provide for the next pay deal for

2:10:382:10:42

NHS staff. In other words, the

funding for any pay deal does not

2:10:422:10:46

come out of existing budgets, there

will be more money to be found.

2:10:462:10:50

Let's just look at the economic

forecast on which all of this

2:10:502:10:55

spending is based. The OBR, the

independent forecasting body the

2:10:552:11:02

Chancellor relies on has downgraded

economic growth for the next five

2:11:022:11:04

years. Indeed, it is by about 2.5%

in total that the economy will be

2:11:042:11:11

smaller than what it thought in the

March Budget over the next five-year

2:11:112:11:15

period. Even so, borrowing does

continue to fall over the five

2:11:152:11:22

years, but at a slower rate than the

Chancellor envisaged even in March.

2:11:222:11:26

This means there is a fiscal

loosening in this Budget. That is at

2:11:262:11:31

the core of it. We will give you

more forecasts in a minute but let's

2:11:312:11:35

go back to the Chamber and hear Mr

Corbyn.

2:11:352:11:40

Test of the Budget is how it affects

the reality of people's lives all

2:11:402:11:45

around this country. I would submit

that the reality...

If somebody

2:11:452:11:53

wants to go for an early cup of tea,

please do so. I am told there are

2:11:532:11:59

men despise waiting. But what I will

have is the Leader of the Opposition

2:11:592:12:04

listened to and quietly from this

side in the same way I expected the

2:12:042:12:09

other side of the House.

Jeremy Corbyn.

Thank you, Mr Deputy

2:12:092:12:15

Speaker. The reality test of this

Budget has to be how it affects

2:12:152:12:20

ordinary people's lives, and I

believe as the days go ahead and

2:12:202:12:25

this Budget unravels, the reality

will be a lot of people will be no

2:12:252:12:30

better off and the misery many R.N.

Will be continuing. Paid, Mr Speaker

2:12:302:12:37

is now lower than it was in 2010 and

wages are now falling again.

2:12:372:12:45

Economic growth in the first three

quarters of this year is the lowest

2:12:452:12:53

since 2009, and the slowest of the

major economies in the G7. It is a

2:12:532:12:59

record of failure with the forecast

of more to come. Economic growth has

2:12:592:13:06

been revised down, productivity

growth has been revised down,

2:13:062:13:12

business investment revised down,

people's wages and living standards

2:13:122:13:15

revised down. What sort of strong

economy is that? What sort of fit

2:13:152:13:21

for the future is that? You may

recall, Mr Deputy Speaker, the

2:13:212:13:29

deficit was due to be eradicated by

2015. Then that moved to 2016. Then

2:13:292:13:41

to 2017. Then 2020 and now we are

looking at 2025. They are missing

2:13:412:13:51

their major targets, but the failed

and damaging policy of austerity

2:13:512:13:58

remains. The number of people

sleeping rough has doubled since

2:13:582:14:06

2010, and this Christmas, this

Christmas 120,000 children will

2:14:062:14:14

spend Christmas in temporary

accommodation. Three new pilot

2:14:142:14:20

schemes to look at rough sleeping

across the whole country simply

2:14:202:14:24

doesn't cut it. We want action now

to help those poor people that

2:14:242:14:30

forced to sleep on our streets and

beg...

Order. I think the whip know

2:14:302:14:36

better. We do not need any more from

you or leave the Chamber.

The point

2:14:362:14:47

I am making is three new pilot

schemes for rough sleepers simply

2:14:472:14:52

doesn't cut it. It is a disaster for

those people sleeping on our

2:14:522:14:56

streets, forced to beg for money for

a night shelter. They are looking

2:14:562:15:00

for action now from government to

give them a roof over their heads.

2:15:002:15:04

In some parts of the country, life

expectancy is actually beginning to

2:15:042:15:10

fall. The last Labour government

lifted 1 million children out of

2:15:102:15:14

poverty. It was an amazing

achievement. Under this government,

2:15:142:15:21

an extra 1 million children will be

plunged into poverty by the end of

2:15:212:15:24

this Parliament.

2:15:242:15:30

1.9 million pensioners, one in six

of all pensioners living in poverty,

2:15:302:15:34

the worst rate anywhere in Western

Europe. It is falling pay, slow

2:15:342:15:40

growth, rising poverty and this is

what the Chancellor has the cheek to

2:15:402:15:46

call a strong economy. His

predecessor said they would put the

2:15:462:15:53

burden on those with the broader

shoulders. How has that turned out?

2:15:532:16:00

The poorest tenth of households will

lose 10% of their income by 2022

2:16:002:16:11

while the richest will lose just 1%.

So much for tackling burning

2:16:112:16:20

injustices, this is a government

tossing fuel on the fire. Personal

2:16:202:16:25

debt levels are rising. 8.3 million

people over indebted. If he wants to

2:16:252:16:34

help people out of debt, he should

back Labour's policy for a real

2:16:342:16:40

living wage of £10 per hour by 2020.

Working-class young people now

2:16:402:16:52

leaving university with £57,000 of

debt because this government, his

2:16:522:16:59

government, troubled tuition fees

and the new government policy is to

2:16:592:17:01

win over young people by keeping

fees at the same rate per year --

2:17:012:17:15

trebled tuition fees. That is just

one of the multitudes of injustices

2:17:152:17:22

presided over by this government and

another is Universal Credit which we

2:17:222:17:27

called on ministers to pause and

fix. That is the view of this House

2:17:272:17:31

and the verdict of those on the

front line.

To shout out, keep

2:17:312:17:39

going, he will, but you will be

going out of the chamber.

Jeremy

2:17:392:17:44

Corbyn. I would rather people staged

to listen, actually, Mr Deputy

2:17:442:17:49

Speaker. To the reality.

Silence! It

will be in silence.

Thank you, Mr

2:17:492:18:05

Speaker. Maybe those opposite would

like to listen to Martin's

2:18:052:18:11

experience. A full-time worker on a

minimum wage, he said, I get paid

2:18:112:18:20

four weekly meeting my pay date is

different each month and because

2:18:202:18:26

under the Universal Credit system he

was paid twice in a month and deemed

2:18:262:18:29

to have earned too much Universal

Credit was cut off and lead to rent

2:18:292:18:35

arrears and he had to use a food

bank for the first time in his life.

2:18:352:18:39

That is the humiliation he and many

others have gone through because of

2:18:392:18:44

the problems of Universal Credit.

Would it not be better to pause the

2:18:442:18:48

whole thing and look at the problems

it has caused? The Chancellor's

2:18:482:18:56

solution to a failing system causing

more debt is to offer a loan and the

2:18:562:19:01

six-week wait with 20% waiting

longer simply becomes a five-week

2:19:012:19:07

wait. This system has been run down

by £3 billion of cuts to work

2:19:072:19:15

allowances, the two child limit and

the perverse and appalling clause

2:19:152:19:23

that caused evictions because

housing benefit is not paid direct

2:19:232:19:27

to the landlord. I say put this

system on hold so it can be fixed

2:19:272:19:31

and keep 1 million of our children

out of poverty. For years, we have

2:19:312:19:37

had the rhetoric of a long-term

economic plan that never meets its

2:19:372:19:43

targets. When all too many are

experiencing long-term economic

2:19:432:19:50

pain. And the hardest hit are

disabled people, single parents and

2:19:502:19:56

women. It is disappointing the

Chancellor did not back the campaign

2:19:562:20:02

by my honourable friend to end

period poverty. He could have done

2:20:022:20:09

that. Well done to her on the

campaign, shame on him for not

2:20:092:20:15

supporting it. The Conservative

manifesto in the last election

2:20:152:20:19

disappeared off its website after

three days, and now some ministers

2:20:192:20:24

opposite have put forward some half

decent proposals, conspicuously

2:20:242:20:28

borrowed from the Labour manifesto.

Let me tell the Chancellor, as

2:20:282:20:36

socialists we are happy to share

ideas. The Communities Secretary is

2:20:362:20:41

called the borrowing to invest in

house-building presumably the Prime

2:20:412:20:46

Minister slapped him down for

wanting to bankrupt Britain. Where

2:20:462:20:50

is the money to fund the pay rise if

he says the pay cap is over? The

2:20:502:20:55

Chancellor has not been clear for

NHS workers, police, firefighters,

2:20:552:21:03

teachers and assistants, bin

collectors, Armed Forces personnel.

2:21:032:21:08

Will the Chancellor listen to

Claire, who says her mum works for

2:21:082:21:12

the NHS and she goes above and

beyond for her patients. Why does

2:21:122:21:21

the government think it OK to

underpay, over stress and under

2:21:212:21:23

appreciate all those who work in the

NHS? The NHS chief executive says

2:21:232:21:30

the budget for the NHS next year is

short of what is currently needed.

2:21:302:21:35

From what the Chancellor has said,

it is still going to be well short

2:21:352:21:40

of what is needed. He said in 2015

they would fund another 5000 GPs. In

2:21:402:21:49

the last year, 1200, we have had

1200 fewer GPs and we have lost

2:21:492:21:58

community and mental health nurses.

The Chancellor promised

2:21:582:22:02

10,000,000,020 15 and delivered 4.5.

If you don't mind, we will wait for

2:22:022:22:08

the small print on the announcement

but even what he said falls well

2:22:082:22:14

short of the 6 billion Labour would

have delivered from our June

2:22:142:22:17

manifesto. Over 1 million of our

elderly are not receiving the care

2:22:172:22:23

they need. Over... Over 6 billion

will have been cut from social care

2:22:232:22:34

budgets by next March. I hope he

begins to understand what it is like

2:22:342:22:39

to wait for social care, stuck in a

hospital bed, with other people

2:22:392:22:44

having to give up work to care for

them. The uncaring, uncouth attitude

2:22:442:22:54

of certain members...

Order. Carry

on.

2:22:542:23:07

Mr Speaker, that is why social care

budgets are so important for so many

2:23:082:23:17

desperate people in our country. Our

schools will be 5% worse off by

2:23:172:23:26

2019, despite the Conservative

manifesto promising no school would

2:23:262:23:29

be worse off. 5000 headteachers from

25 counties wrote to the Chancellor

2:23:292:23:40

saying, we are simply asking for the

money that has been taken out of the

2:23:402:23:43

system to be returned. A senior

science technician wrote to me,

2:23:432:23:49

Robert, saying, my pay has been

reduced by over 30%. I have seen

2:23:492:23:56

massive cuts at my school, good

teachers and support staff leave.

2:23:562:24:01

That is what does for the morale of

both teachers and students.

2:24:012:24:08

According to this government, 5000

headteachers are wrong, Robert is

2:24:082:24:13

wrong, the IFS is wrong, everybody

is wrong, except the Chancellor. And

2:24:132:24:20

if the Chancellor bothered to listen

to what local government is saying,

2:24:202:24:25

they have been warning services for

the most vulnerable children are

2:24:252:24:30

under more demand than ever. More

children being taken into care, more

2:24:302:24:34

in desperate need of help and

support, yet they are labouring with

2:24:342:24:41

a 2 billion shortfall in the cost of

dealing with vulnerable children.

2:24:412:24:45

Because local councils have lost

80%, will have lost 80% of direct

2:24:452:24:54

funding by 2020. The reality of

this, across the country, is

2:24:542:25:01

winning's refuges closing, youth

centres and libraries and museums

2:25:012:25:07

closing, public facilities

understaffed, under resourced and

2:25:072:25:11

underfinanced. It could be so

different, but compassion can cost

2:25:112:25:16

very little. Just £10 million is

needed to establish the child

2:25:162:25:21

funeral fund, campaigned for

brilliantly by my honourable friend

2:25:212:25:27

the member for Swansea East. Why

could not the Chancellor at least

2:25:272:25:31

have agreed to fund that? Under this

government there are also 20,000

2:25:312:25:37

fewer police officers and another

6000 community support officers and

2:25:372:25:43

11,000 Fire Service staff cut as

well. You cannot keep communities

2:25:432:25:46

safe on the cheap. Tammy explains

this. Our police presence has been

2:25:462:25:54

taken away from the village, meaning

an increase in crime, as a single

2:25:542:25:59

parent I no longer feel safe in the

village where I live, particularly

2:25:592:26:02

at night. 5.5 million workers earn

less than living wage, 1 million

2:26:022:26:10

more than five years ago. The

Chancellor last Sunday could not

2:26:102:26:16

even see 1.4 million people

unemployed in this country. There is

2:26:162:26:22

a crisis of low pay and insecure

work affecting one in four women and

2:26:222:26:30

one in six men, a record 7.4 million

people in working households living

2:26:302:26:37

in poverty. If we want workers

earning better pay, less dependent

2:26:372:26:43

on in work benefits, we need strong

trade unions, the most effective way

2:26:432:26:48

of boosting workers pay. Instead,

this government weakened trade

2:26:482:26:54

unions and introduced employment

Tribunal fees, now scrapped, thanks

2:26:542:26:58

to the victory in the courts by

Unison, a trade union representing

2:26:582:27:03

members. Why did the Chancellor not

take the opportunity to make two

2:27:032:27:09

changes to control debt? First, to

cap credit card debt so nobody pays

2:27:092:27:17

back more than they borrowed. And

second, to stop credit card

2:27:172:27:22

companies increasing people'scredit

limit without their say-so. Debt is

2:27:222:27:27

being racked up because the

government is weak on those who

2:27:272:27:31

exploit people such as rail

companies hiking fares above

2:27:312:27:36

inflation, and water companies and

energy suppliers. During the general

2:27:362:27:41

election he promised an energy cap

to benefit around 17 million

2:27:412:27:47

families on standard variable

tariffs. But every bill tells

2:27:472:27:51

millions the government has broken

that promise. And with 10 billion in

2:27:512:27:57

housing benefit going into the

pockets of private landlords every

2:27:572:28:01

year, housing is a key factor in

driving up the welfare bill. Not too

2:28:012:28:06

many words from the Chancellor about

excessive levels of rent in the

2:28:062:28:11

private rented sector. With this

government delivering the worst rate

2:28:112:28:14

of house building since the 20s, and

a quarter... And a quarter of a

2:28:142:28:27

million fewer council homes, any

commitment would be welcome. But we

2:28:272:28:32

have been here before. The

government promised 200,000 starter

2:28:322:28:37

homes, three years ago, and not a

single one has yet been built in

2:28:372:28:43

those three years. We need a large

scale publicly funded house-building

2:28:432:28:48

programme, not this government's

accounting tricks and empty

2:28:482:28:52

promises. We back the abolition of

stamp duty for first-time buyers

2:28:522:28:58

because it was another Labour policy

in our manifesto in June, not a Tory

2:28:582:29:05

one. This government continues

preference for spin over substance,

2:29:052:29:09

that means across this country, in

the words wolf powerhouse and

2:29:092:29:15

Midlands engine, now met with

derision. Yorkshire and Humber get

2:29:152:29:21

only one tenth of the transport

investment per head given to London.

2:29:212:29:27

And government figures show every

region in the of England has seen a

2:29:272:29:33

fall in spending on services since

2012. The Midlands, East and west is

2:29:332:29:40

receiving less than 8% of total

transport infrastructure investment

2:29:402:29:46

compared with 50% going to London.

In the east and West Midlands one in

2:29:462:29:52

four workers are paid less than the

living wage, so much for the

2:29:522:29:56

Midlands engine. We announced

funding for the trans-Pennine rail

2:29:562:30:00

route will not cut it and the other

announcements today will not redress

2:30:002:30:07

that balance. Combined with

counter-productive forced Erraid

2:30:072:30:10

Davies lack of investment has

consequences in sluggish growth and

2:30:102:30:14

shrinking pay packets. Public

investment has virtually halved.

2:30:142:30:18

Under this government Britain has

the lowest rate of public investment

2:30:182:30:22

in the G7. But it is now investing

in driverless cars. After months of

2:30:222:30:30

road testing back-seat driving in

the government.

2:30:302:30:38

By moving from RPI to CPI indexes

non-business rates, the Chancellor

2:30:382:30:48

has adopted another Labour policy.

But why don't they go further and

2:30:482:30:53

adopt Labour's entire business rates

including the annual revaluation of

2:30:532:31:01

business rates. Nowhere have their

chaos been more evident than over

2:31:012:31:06

Brexit. Following round after round

of fruitless Brexit negotiations,

2:31:062:31:10

the Brexit secretary has been

shunted out for the Prime Minister

2:31:102:31:13

who has got no further. Every major

business organisation has written to

2:31:132:31:18

the Government telling them to pull

their finger out and get on with it.

2:31:182:31:23

Businesses are delaying crucial

investment decisions because of this

2:31:232:31:26

government doesn't get its act

together soon, they will be taking

2:31:262:31:30

relocation decisions. Crashing out

with no deal and turning Britain

2:31:302:31:36

into a tax haven would damage

people's jobs and living standards

2:31:362:31:42

would serve only a wealthy few. It

is not as if this government isn't

2:31:422:31:47

doing its best to protect tax havens

and its clients in the meantime. The

2:31:472:31:56

Paradise Papers exposed how a

super-rich elite gets away with

2:31:562:32:00

dodging taxes. This government has

opposed measure after measure in

2:32:002:32:04

this House and their Tory colleagues

in the European Parliament, to clamp

2:32:042:32:09

down on the tax havens that

facilitate this outrageous leaching

2:32:092:32:13

from our public purse. Nonpaid tax,

clever reinvestment to get away with

2:32:132:32:21

tax, actually, it is hospitals,

schools, housing and it hit the

2:32:212:32:25

poorest and most needy in our

society. There is nothing immoral

2:32:252:32:29

about dodging tax. There is

everything in moral about evading

2:32:292:32:32

it. Mr Speaker, too often it feels

like there is one rule for the

2:32:322:32:38

super-rich and another for the rest

of us. The horrors of Grenfell Tower

2:32:382:32:45

were a reflection of a system which

puts profits before people, that

2:32:452:32:52

failed to listen to working-class

communities. In 2013, the Government

2:32:522:32:56

received advice in a krona's report

that sprinklers should be fitted in

2:32:562:33:01

all high-rise buildings. Today, once

again, the Government failed to fund

2:33:012:33:09

the £1 billion investment needed.

The Chancellor says council should

2:33:092:33:11

contact them. But not in house,

Westminster house and they have been

2:33:112:33:18

refused. Nothing was offered to

them. We have the privilege to be

2:33:182:33:25

members of Parliament, in a building

that is about to be retrofitted with

2:33:252:33:30

sprinklers, to protect us. The

message is pretty clear. This

2:33:302:33:35

government cares more about what

happens here then happens to people

2:33:352:33:40

living in high-rise homes. In effect

saying they matter less. Our

2:33:402:33:47

country, Mr Speaker, is marked by

growing inequality and injustice. We

2:33:472:33:52

were promised a revolutionary

Budget, the reality is nothing has

2:33:522:34:00

changed. People were looking for

help from this Budget and they have

2:34:002:34:04

been let down. Let down by a

government, that like the economy be

2:34:042:34:09

presided over, is weak and unstable

and in need of urgent change. They

2:34:092:34:14

called this a Budget fit for the

future. The reality is, this is a

2:34:142:34:20

government no longer fit for office.

Nicky Morgan.

2:34:202:34:29

STUDIO: And Jeremy Corbyn sits down

after a long and wide-ranging

2:34:292:34:35

response to the Budget. If you wish

to continue to watch what is

2:34:352:34:39

happening in the House of Commons,

you can switch to the BBC Parliament

2:34:392:34:43

channel and that will tell you what

is going on there. Here, we will go

2:34:432:34:48

through the Budget measures. The

speech was 7973 words, and there was

2:34:482:34:54

quite a lot in it. Let's go through

some of the main measures and see

2:34:542:34:58

what the Chancellor has done. The

surprise in the Budget was the

2:34:582:35:02

abolition of stamp duty for

first-time buyers on properties of

2:35:022:35:07

up to £300,000. That is to start

immediately. If you look at average

2:35:072:35:11

prices outside of London, they are

all well under £300,000. North-east

2:35:112:35:19

England 125,000, the south-west,

200,000. That will make something of

2:35:192:35:23

a difference in terms of the stamp

duty there. The Chancellor also

2:35:232:35:29

promised 300,000 additional homes in

England each year by the mid 20 20s.

2:35:292:35:36

That is quite a way off given they

are already claiming to be creating

2:35:362:35:39

over 200,000 additional new homes

every year. Fuel duty has been

2:35:392:35:42

frozen for another year. That is

probably on the F1 key for the

2:35:422:35:48

Budget submission because they seem

to do it every year. The Chancellor

2:35:482:35:52

pointed out how much money that has

costed over the years, over £40

2:35:522:35:57

billion by not raising fuel duty.

And he promised additional funding

2:35:572:36:01

to provide for the next pay deal for

NHS staff. There will be

2:36:012:36:08

negotiations. NHS staff will get

some sort of pay rise. He will come

2:36:082:36:12

up with the extra money. Other

measures announced by the

2:36:122:36:18

Chancellor: the personal allowance

will increase to £11,850, that is

2:36:182:36:22

the you have to earn before you pay

tax. That is in line with inflation.

2:36:222:36:27

He is aiming to get to £12,500 by

2020. The high rate threshold will

2:36:272:36:35

come in at £46,350. That is in line

with inflation. He did commit to

2:36:352:36:41

reaching £50,000 by the end of the

decade. The young person's Railcard

2:36:412:36:46

is extended from ages 26 to 30.

There will be lots more young people

2:36:462:36:51

on the roadways, I am sure as a

result of that. -- on the railways.

2:36:512:36:58

There were a number of changes on

Universal Credit which is the

2:36:582:37:02

rolling up of several welfare

benefits into a single Universal

2:37:022:37:06

Credit. We will look at that in more

detail later. I think he said the

2:37:062:37:11

changes would cost around £1.5

billion. What was a problem for the

2:37:112:37:16

Government, he has thrown a bit of

money at it. All of this is behind

2:37:162:37:22

the growth forecast. This in the

macroeconomic terms is the most

2:37:222:37:31

interesting. The independent Office

for Budget Responsibility, which

2:37:312:37:33

does this forecast, has done some

quite substantial downgrades and

2:37:332:37:35

growth. Even in March of this year

it said the economy would grow by 2%

2:37:352:37:41

in 2017, now it is down to 1.5%.

There was one year in November they

2:37:412:37:48

predicted the growth rate for that

year and it was way out. But

2:37:482:37:52

nevertheless, that is what is

saying. 2018, it goes down a little

2:37:522:37:57

bit further to 1.4. Then two years

of 1.3% and then 1.5%. The reality

2:37:572:38:06

is in the next three years in no

stage according to this forecast

2:38:062:38:10

does the British economy come

anywhere near 2% economic growth.

2:38:102:38:16

That is quite a substantial

downgrade. It would seem to imply

2:38:162:38:21

that the underlying rate of growth

we can manage has fallen

2:38:212:38:26

substantially. Other economic

forecasts, because of the lower

2:38:262:38:29

economic growth, then you have to

borrow a bit more. The Chancellor is

2:38:292:38:34

still planning for borrowing to fall

in the next five years but not in

2:38:342:38:37

nearly the same rate. In two or

three years' time, the amount of

2:38:372:38:41

borrowing will be double what the

OBR was forecasting in March of this

2:38:412:38:45

year. So deficit reduction

continues, but at a slower rate.

2:38:452:38:52

That surplus that the Chancellor

sometimes talks about, he did not

2:38:522:38:56

mention it much today, seems to slip

ever further into the distant

2:38:562:39:01

future. Part of the reason why the

growth has come down and the

2:39:012:39:06

borrowing slowdown in reducing the

deficit has taken place, is because

2:39:062:39:10

the OBR has assumed our

productivity, our ability to produce

2:39:102:39:14

things efficiently is not going to

grow nearly as quickly as it hoped.

2:39:142:39:20

That affect tax revenues and

economic growth. However, the OBR

2:39:202:39:25

says despite unemployment on most

measures now, we are pretty much at

2:39:252:39:31

full employment, there will be

600,000 more people in employment by

2:39:312:39:35

2020. Here is one that the

Government regards as a watershed.

2:39:352:39:41

It is saying that debt, our national

debt, all the money previous

2:39:412:39:47

governments have borrowed over the

years, and we have not yet paid

2:39:472:39:51

back, the national debt will peak at

85.65% of national income this year

2:39:512:39:59

and then start to fall -- it will

peak at 86 point 5%. The Government

2:39:592:40:08

exist as a watershed that debt. To

come down. As an -- a percentage. In

2:40:082:40:19

health, there were lots of

announcements on health. The health

2:40:192:40:23

service is to receive an extra 10

billion in capital investment over

2:40:232:40:27

the course of this Parliament the

Chancellor said. £2.8 billion extra

2:40:272:40:34

resource funding for NHS England and

new funds to include 350 million

2:40:342:40:45

this winter. The tobacco duty to

rise by inflation plus 2%. There

2:40:452:40:53

will be an extra 1% duty on hand

rolling tobacco. Sorry to the hand

2:40:532:41:00

rollers. The increased duty on some

ciders will not be popular in Devon.

2:41:002:41:05

And on business. He has decided not

to rise the threshold for small

2:41:052:41:21

businesses. Businesses rates will

not go up so quickly and business

2:41:212:41:29

rate revaluations will take place

every three years, not every five.

2:41:292:41:33

That may put the rates up a little

bit again. Other measures before we

2:41:332:41:38

start our analysis, he announced £3

billion for Brexit preparations.

2:41:382:41:44

Whether he will have to spend all

that, we don't know. The National

2:41:442:41:50

Living Wage will rise to £7 83 an

hour I April next year. There will

2:41:502:42:00

be £2 billion extra for Scotland,

£1.2 billion for Wales and £650

2:42:002:42:05

million the Northern Ireland.

Vehicle excise duties will increase

2:42:052:42:10

for the most polluting now unpopular

diesel cars. A lot of other things

2:42:102:42:19

in the Budget but I think these are

the main headlines. Paul Johnson,

2:42:192:42:26

the Institute for Fiscal Studies is

joining us round this table. Let's

2:42:262:42:30

get our in-house experts first. The

politics of this, Laura?

I think

2:42:302:42:35

Philip Hammond is digging a plaster

on some of the problems the

2:42:352:42:40

Government has had. Whether that is

improvements to Universal Credit,

2:42:402:42:44

more money for the NHS and on

housing, what the Government will

2:42:442:42:47

claim is a very big response to

problems and anxieties that were

2:42:472:42:51

expressed in the election and the

last few months, that this is really

2:42:512:42:56

the crisis of our time, which the

Prime Minister has personally

2:42:562:43:01

promised to fix. The announcement of

scrapping stamp duty for first-time

2:43:012:43:06

buyers up to £300,000, is something

that will get Tory backbenchers

2:43:062:43:11

cheering. Number Ten were delighted

they were able to come up with an

2:43:112:43:15

announcement like that that without

question will grab some of the

2:43:152:43:18

headlines. I think it will be

difficult in the coming days for the

2:43:182:43:22

Government to escape the rather more

grim economic picture behind that.

2:43:222:43:26

The reality is if the forecasts

prove to be correct, the economy and

2:43:262:43:31

how we will all feel about whether

or not we are feeling skint and

2:43:312:43:34

grumpy, or whether things are

improving under this government, is

2:43:342:43:38

the economy is not as healthy as

previously thought. Notable that £3

2:43:382:43:44

billion for Brexit preparation,

around the same money which is going

2:43:442:43:48

into the NHS.

Indeed, expensive.

Kamal, what is your headline?

It is

2:43:482:43:56

the downgrading growth. The Office

for Budget Responsibility has been

2:43:562:43:59

more negative than the Bank of

England was a few weeks ago. Also,

2:43:592:44:04

it has cut productivity. That means

tax receipts for the Government are

2:44:042:44:08

set to fall. The judgment is in the

numbers they have just published

2:44:082:44:13

alongside the Budget by £20 billion

by the end of the forecast period.

2:44:132:44:17

In response to that, Philip Hammond

has tried to do two things. He has

2:44:172:44:21

tried to do the vision thing. He was

asked to have this idea of optimism.

2:44:212:44:26

At the start of this Budget it did

not have any figures in. He was

2:44:262:44:30

talking about the challenges and

then the EU money. But what

2:44:302:44:35

accompanies this is a big fiscal

loosening. He is allowing for much

2:44:352:44:39

more borrowing. If you compare the

March 20 17 Budget with this one,

2:44:392:44:45

over the last three years of the

forecast period, the tax takes were

2:44:452:44:51

going to beat the spending

giveaways. For every year of the

2:44:512:44:57

forecast period, spending giveaways

or borrowing giveaways are far

2:44:572:45:01

higher than tax takes. So he has

allowed for the borrowing lock to be

2:45:012:45:06

loosened slightly over then whole

five years up to 2022. I think that

2:45:062:45:11

is the most significant change.

2:45:112:45:19

Big changes in business rates. Will

business be happy, disappointed,

2:45:192:45:23

relieved?

I think they will raise a

small cheer. Business rates revalued

2:45:232:45:30

according with CPI rather than RPI

which is at 4% and CBI is at 3% and

2:45:302:45:35

they will bring it forward which

will save business 2.3 billion over

2:45:352:45:39

the period and the other one, did

not reduce the VAT threshold from

2:45:392:45:45

85,000, which was a major banana

skin. If he stepped onto which it

2:45:452:45:48

would have been a bad idea. The

other thing, talk of the future,

2:45:482:45:56

extra money for productivity and

investment fund. The kitty was 23

2:45:562:46:00

billion. He is now adding another

year to the programme of five

2:46:002:46:05

billion and I calculate roughly 3

billion in new money there.

He will

2:46:052:46:11

have to find the money. Paul

Johnson. We mention the headwinds

2:46:112:46:17

the deficit reduction faces because

of slower growth in productivity

2:46:172:46:23

growth but he has found more money

to spend, which reduces the deficit

2:46:232:46:28

reduction. He has loosened his belt.

Quite a lot. He has moved, he has

2:46:282:46:37

taken the hit to the public finances

and added the same amount again in

2:46:372:46:42

additional spending with the result

we will be borrowing more than

2:46:422:46:47

expected two, three years hence and

if you compare this budget with the

2:46:472:46:53

one in March 2016, when George

Osborne was promising a surplus in

2:46:532:46:59

2019 of 10 billion, we now have a 35

billion deficit in 2019, a very big

2:46:592:47:05

turnaround in less than two years.

Most of it down to the significantly

2:47:052:47:11

worse economic forecasts but a large

chunk because the government, not

2:47:112:47:17

surprisingly, has found it difficult

in fact impossible to implement the

2:47:172:47:21

scale of spending cuts talking about

a couple of years ago.

How

2:47:212:47:24

significant is it our national debt

as a percentage of our annual GDP,

2:47:242:47:35

wealth creation, now starts to fall?

Is it a watershed for the government

2:47:352:47:40

or just a mathematical formula?

It

does matter that it is not growing

2:47:402:47:45

for ever. We do not know what a

sustainable level of national debt

2:47:452:47:49

is and it might be bigger, but we

know it cannot grow for ever. One of

2:47:492:47:55

the worries for the government in

the long crumb is the OBR appears to

2:47:552:48:00

say instead of looking at -- the OBR

is saying they are looking at a

2:48:002:48:07

sustainable growth rate and if that

is the case, to get the debt down

2:48:072:48:14

you have to borrow less because you

do not get the economy growing to

2:48:142:48:18

offset some of the impact of the

deficit. Things get harder if the

2:48:182:48:24

economy is not doing well.

When you

look at the growth figures. The OBR

2:48:242:48:29

might be wrong, it has in the past,

but if we take them at face value as

2:48:292:48:34

the Chancellor had to to construct

the sums, that is how it works. We

2:48:342:48:40

look like being stuck in the slow

lane for the indefinite future.

That

2:48:402:48:46

is my initial understanding by what

they are saying, they seem to say

2:48:462:48:51

over the next five years and

potentially beyond, with poor

2:48:512:48:57

productivity growth, we will be

growing by something like 1.5% a

2:48:572:49:01

year and historically opted to

thousand eight we were growing by at

2:49:012:49:05

least 2% a year on average. We are

stuck in the international slow

2:49:052:49:10

lane. Over the past couple of years

the rest of the world economy has

2:49:102:49:14

been going great guns in our economy

has fallen behind the rest of the

2:49:142:49:20

world. Why? A series of reasons,

partly the productivity growth and

2:49:202:49:31

depreciation of sterling. The rest

of the world has done well and that

2:49:312:49:35

has helped us. If the rest of the

world had been doing badly we would

2:49:352:49:39

be doing worse but we have gone from

a short period of doing better than

2:49:392:49:42

the rest of the world to one where

we are doing worse.

Have they given

2:49:422:49:46

up on banners in the budget? They

missed it. They were going to do it

2:49:462:49:54

by 2015, then 2020, then it was to

be the mid-20s. Call it 2025. I do

2:49:542:50:00

not see much of a reference to it

any more, is it over?

They have not

2:50:002:50:05

said it is over but it looks over to

me. Facing another deterioration in

2:50:052:50:13

the public finances, what the

Chancellor did not do is say we have

2:50:132:50:17

to hold our course or cut spending

as much, he said the public finances

2:50:172:50:22

have got worse and did a sense

making them worse again by spending

2:50:222:50:26

more. The deficit today is no higher

than it was before the recession so

2:50:262:50:31

the deficit does not look terribly

worrying. It is the question for the

2:50:312:50:36

government, are they worried about

the debt?

They are not the

2:50:362:50:42

individual measures that affect

people directly but have we moved,

2:50:422:50:46

is the government asking us to say

stop looking at balancing the

2:50:462:50:50

budget, getting to surplus, look at

our national debt that will fall as

2:50:502:50:57

a percentage of GDP gently and that

is the metric we should concentrate

2:50:572:51:00

on?

It is a change? They have not

said it explicitly but I think that

2:51:002:51:06

is the impression one gets. In the

long run, that is what matters. It

2:51:062:51:12

does not matter whether we are at

budget balance. We could have the

2:51:122:51:16

debt gradually falling when we are

not that budget balance but the

2:51:162:51:20

risks are if the economy goes wrong,

the debt starts rising quickly.

2:51:202:51:25

Because we are growing less quickly

we can afford less in the long run

2:51:252:51:31

of a deficit.

There is no sign the

markets are particularly fazed by

2:51:312:51:38

the new borrowing. There were

important announcements and quite

2:51:382:51:42

complicated announcements on health

spending including extra pay for

2:51:422:51:47

nurses. Let's go to the BBC health

editor in Birmingham, at a hospital.

2:51:472:51:55

Hugh Pym, give us your overall

impression, how significant are the

2:51:552:52:01

announcements for our NHS?

I think

they are significant politically and

2:52:012:52:07

I am sure there will be headlines

about budget billions but looking at

2:52:072:52:10

the numbers it does not add up to a

huge amount compared to what the NHS

2:52:102:52:15

wanted. You have £350 million for

hospitals in England this winter to

2:52:152:52:21

deal with winter pressures, but

already senior health leaders tell

2:52:212:52:26

me what do you do at this late stage

with that money? You can only use it

2:52:262:52:31

to bring in staff, agency workers,

overtime, and it is difficult to

2:52:312:52:39

find people to do extra shifts. You

have 1.6 billion revenue funding for

2:52:392:52:43

NHS into next year. The think tank

had asked for 4 billion next year

2:52:432:52:49

and Simon Stevens had not

disassociated himself from that

2:52:492:52:52

number. You have 1.6 of day-to-day

spending and capital on top but the

2:52:522:52:57

view is it falls short. I'm sure

some will say there is money for the

2:52:572:53:02

NHS and they are complaining again

but the pressures are so intense it

2:53:022:53:06

needed something significant the

next couple of years and it is

2:53:062:53:09

welcome to appoint that does not go

as far as they wanted.

They will be

2:53:092:53:14

relieved that if and when nurses get

a pay rise and it looks like the pay

2:53:142:53:18

cap has gone, or what the rise will

be is another matter, that the

2:53:182:53:24

Chancellor will not ask the hospital

like the one behind due to fund it

2:53:242:53:27

out of its existing budget, he will

find extra money, is that right?

2:53:272:53:33

That is right. The Chancellor said

when it came to nurses pay, the pay

2:53:332:53:39

review body would make

recommendations early next year and

2:53:392:53:43

he would find extra money to pay for

any increase that may be awarded

2:53:432:53:46

above the current 1%. That is a big

relief to NHS and employers that

2:53:462:53:56

they will not have to fund it. Some

people are saying, it will be

2:53:562:54:01

welcome, but we do not know about

doctors' pay and other health staff.

2:54:012:54:06

Thank you. Back in the studio I am

joined by the Chief Secretary to the

2:54:062:54:16

Treasury Liz Truss. Welcome. Why is

this Conservative government

2:54:162:54:21

presiding over declining growth?

We

are presided over a period of solid

2:54:212:54:28

growth. Hugely increased employment.

One of the most welcome things today

2:54:282:54:34

in the OBR forecast is 600,000

people are projected to go into jobs

2:54:342:54:39

over the next few years but there is

a challenge about growth.

Why is it

2:54:392:54:44

declining under your watch? It was

supposed to be 2% this year and it

2:54:442:54:49

will be 1.5. OBR says it will be

1.4, 1.3, 1.3. You never get close

2:54:492:54:58

to 2% in the foreseeable future.

This is the analysis of the OBR. We

2:54:582:55:03

have an issue with productivity as a

country and that is what the

2:55:032:55:08

Chancellor last budget talked about

the national productivity investment

2:55:082:55:12

fund and investment in skills,

making sure people in work, which is

2:55:122:55:16

a major achievement what we have

done on employment, have the ability

2:55:162:55:21

to earn more, get skills they need,

and we can turbo-charge some of

2:55:212:55:26

those fantastic companies. Wages are

stagnant. To earn more we need to

2:55:262:55:32

improve productivity and the way to

do it is to boost high productivity

2:55:322:55:38

companies, more investment, in

infrastructure, which is what our

2:55:382:55:42

overall budget package is about.

George Osborne in his first budget

2:55:422:55:47

in 2010 talked about Britain's week

productivity and that was seven

2:55:472:55:52

years ago. Productivity has been

downgraded further by the OBR and

2:55:522:55:57

new growth is downgraded. You are

coming up to a decade and it gets

2:55:572:56:01

worse.

Productivity is a long-term

problem and some of the measures...

2:56:012:56:07

Long-term under your government.

Some measures, improving maths in

2:56:072:56:11

schools, it will take a while for

those young people to get into the

2:56:112:56:16

workforce and improve productivity.

If you look at building Crossrail,

2:56:162:56:22

the other lines, the North London

line, those take time. What we are

2:56:222:56:28

doing is taking short-term measures

to improve the living standard of

2:56:282:56:32

people, whether it is the freeze on

fuel duty or tax while dealing with

2:56:322:56:38

long-term issues by investing in

skills and infrastructure.

After

2:56:382:56:48

seven years and growth is getting

worse. Over the next years, under

2:56:482:56:53

your government, productivity is

forecast to fall, GDP growth is done

2:56:532:56:58

every year and borrowing continues

higher than you were promising even

2:56:582:57:03

in March.

Where is the good news?

What is important is despite the

2:57:032:57:11

difficult news on areas like

productivity, we are keeping to our

2:57:112:57:15

public finance rules and it is

important we have a budget that

2:57:152:57:18

keeps within those disciplines,

which keeps control of the public

2:57:182:57:24

finances. What we are facing is a

Labour Party that wants to increase

2:57:242:57:29

debt by half a trillion pounds. We

are keeping strong public finances

2:57:292:57:36

and yes we want growth to improve

and that is why this budget is about

2:57:362:57:41

investing in skills, new companies

and helping people get on in life.

2:57:412:57:45

Every year you fail to meet the

deficit forecast. In March, by 2021,

2:57:452:57:54

you talked by 21-22 you said we

would borrow only 16 billion and now

2:57:542:58:03

use a 30 billion. You're not keeping

a tight fiscal grip, you are going

2:58:032:58:08

to borrow more.

We are sticking with

fiscal rules so we will see debt

2:58:082:58:13

falling next year, at the same time

acknowledging the real issues we

2:58:132:58:17

have.

Let's be clear. A percentage

of GDP. You the absolute level of

2:58:172:58:25

debt is rising?

Accept that. As a

percentage of GDP, which is the

2:58:252:58:32

right measure, because it is what

the economy can afford.

Let me ask

2:58:322:58:35

about housing. Housing was to be at

the centre of this budget. Why after

2:58:352:58:44

seven years in power have you not

got additional net dwellings back to

2:58:442:58:52

the increase it was in 2007?

What we

have been able to do is get the

2:58:522:58:57

number of new houses being built up

to 217,000 a year and that is the

2:58:572:59:03

highest since 2008. But lower than

2007. By the end of the parliament

2:59:032:59:09

we will be at a level not seen since

the 1970s and the planning reforms

2:59:092:59:14

are having an effect and we are

seeing new homes.

Of the 217,000 net

2:59:142:59:23

additional dwellings, and they are

not all new-build. You are talking

2:59:232:59:28

about the category that includes

conversions of commercial property

2:59:282:59:31

to homes and big houses being

converted into apartments. Of the

2:59:312:59:38

217,000, how much would the

government classify as affordable?

I

2:59:382:59:42

do not have that figure. The key

point is the more homes we build,

2:59:422:59:49

the more affordable they will become

and we are seeking to achieve to

2:59:492:59:54

stop the houses becoming more

unaffordable overall.

Eusebio aim is

2:59:543:00:01

to make housing affordable for more

people. So the figure for new

3:00:013:00:08

affordable homes out of the 217,000

is 41,000, down 20,000 on 2010-11 so

3:00:083:00:16

as a percentage it is not worth. A

lot of people would argue with your

3:00:163:00:22

definition of affordable. Some

cannot afford to buy homes at all.

3:00:223:00:26

They can only rent. How many new

social homes for rent have been

3:00:263:00:32

created?

Last year by this

government? I do not have that

3:00:323:00:38

figure. I thought housing was at the

centre of the budget. It is at the

3:00:383:00:42

centre.

3:00:423:00:48

We are always happy to help the

Treasury. In the first year the

3:00:483:00:55

Conservatives were in power, almost

40,000 homes were built for social

3:00:553:01:00

rent. We used to call them council

houses or social housing. It is not

3:01:003:01:04

a huge number but it was nearly

40,000. Look what has happened under

3:01:043:01:09

your watch. By last year that was

down to just over 5000. For many

3:01:093:01:15

people on the lowest incomes, that

is all they can do, is trying to get

3:01:153:01:19

a social rent house, and you will

you build 5000?

My point is we are

3:01:193:01:24

building more across the board. The

more homes we build across the

3:01:243:01:29

board, the average price.

But you

are not doing it across-the-board.

3:01:293:01:35

On social rent you have allowed it

to collapse by what, seven acres?

3:01:353:01:40

And we have recently made an

announcement in the party

3:01:403:01:44

conference, we are putting more

money into building council homes.

3:01:443:01:48

We need to build more right across

the board and the key point is we

3:01:483:01:51

want to get to levels we saw before

1970 when we were building 300,000 a

3:01:513:01:58

year.

But if your main concern is

making housing more affordable, is

3:01:583:02:02

it really the best use of taxpayers

money to scrap stamp duty for

3:02:023:02:06

first-time buyers, when the OBR's

book says actually, it may push

3:02:063:02:10

prices up little bit and I quote

from the book: the main gainers from

3:02:103:02:15

this policy are people who already

own property, not first-time buyers

3:02:153:02:21

themselves. That is a policy cheered

to the raft by Tory MPs and it will

3:02:213:02:26

sound good, but the idea is it will

push prices up and people who are

3:02:263:02:31

already in their own homes will be

the biggest beneficiaries. Are you

3:02:313:02:36

proud of that?

Am proud of that.

When I was young many more people my

3:02:363:02:40

age were able to buy a home and get

on the housing ladder. I know how

3:02:403:02:45

frustrated the next generation are

that they don't have those

3:02:453:02:48

opportunities. While we are doing

the long term changes we need to do

3:02:483:02:52

to our planning system, and we do

need to get to that 3000 level, I

3:02:523:02:56

think it is right...

But you are

push up the demand and the supplied

3:02:563:03:02

as not come until several years

latest in the meantime you're

3:03:023:03:05

pushing prices up.

The effect of

building many more homes will be far

3:03:053:03:12

greater.

But when? This is great

clear that the main gainers from

3:03:123:03:16

this policy which is designed to

help people you say you want to

3:03:163:03:20

help, the younger generation who are

finding it hard to get on housing

3:03:203:03:22

ladder, the main beneficiaries will

be people who already own their

3:03:223:03:27

property. Is it the best use of

taxpayers money to essentially be

3:03:273:03:33

subsidising homeowners than putting

in money for people at the bottom?

3:03:333:03:39

The key policy we have got is

increasing supply, changing the

3:03:393:03:43

planning rules to allow buildings to

be built up so we can build more in

3:03:433:03:47

city centres around railway stations

and so on. Those are the policies

3:03:473:03:50

which will make the difference in

the long term. In the short-term,

3:03:503:03:55

there are those buyers in their 20s

and 30s who cannot get on the

3:03:553:03:59

housing ladder. I do think it is

real important we don't just look at

3:03:593:04:02

the long-term which is vital, we

help them out now with that issue.

3:04:023:04:06

This will give people up to £5,000

off their bill to be able to buy a

3:04:063:04:12

new home. I don't think we can just

ignore that and say let's wait until

3:04:123:04:18

we build Crossrail to, let's wait

until we have the new towns in

3:04:183:04:22

place, we do have to help people now

which is why it is important that we

3:04:223:04:27

do do this measure for the

short-term.

Can I ask a little bit

3:04:273:04:31

about the Brexit effect? You have

had to commit more money. You said

3:04:313:04:38

1.5 billion for the next two years

which is £3 billion, almost the same

3:04:383:04:43

money you have committed to the NHS?

The OBR report they have just

3:04:433:04:48

brought out said since the

referendum, the pattern for GDP

3:04:483:04:52

growth is consistent with an adverse

shock to the economy's future

3:04:523:04:56

capacity. I wondered if you agreed

with that and the costs of the

3:04:563:05:01

Brexit issues are the really big

effect? You answered and about why

3:05:013:05:06

we are not growing quickly. The OBR

says one of the big issues is Brexit

3:05:063:05:10

and one of the big issues for you

for spending money is also Brexit.

3:05:103:05:15

We do have to spend that money

making sure we are prepared for all

3:05:153:05:20

eventualities. People want to know

we have the customs arrangements in

3:05:203:05:23

place at our ports, that our

regulatory authorities work when we

3:05:233:05:28

leave the European Union, regardless

of what the scenario is. It is

3:05:283:05:31

prudent that we put £3 billion aside

for doing that.

His Cabinet

3:05:313:05:38

colleagues pressured him to do so.

That is and fair on the Chancellor.

3:05:383:05:44

He has already put 700 million aside

for Brexit preparation. That has

3:05:443:05:48

been given to departments and this

£3 billion is more money to be able

3:05:483:05:52

to do that. That is for any scenario

we have to go through, because

3:05:523:05:56

whatever the negotiations end up

with, we will have to look at

3:05:563:05:59

customs arrangements.

On Kamal's

point... On this thing about

3:05:593:06:10

spending ahead of Brexit, the plan

was to have a bit of head room,

3:06:103:06:14

silly things went bad later down the

road and we had a bit of a problem,

3:06:143:06:18

there was a bit of a cutie left to

smooth the path. Has he spent that

3:06:183:06:29

today? -- there was a bit of a kick

the left --

we are spending on maths

3:06:293:06:42

and science to get people's skills

up in that area, huge number of

3:06:423:06:47

computer science teachers, really

important for new industries like

3:06:473:06:51

artificial intelligence. That is how

we will deal with the challenge of

3:06:513:06:54

leaving the European Union. We will

not deal with the challenge by

3:06:543:07:00

spending more money willy-nilly. We

are dealing with the challenge for

3:07:003:07:03

making us sit.

You have talked about

how you stayed within the fiscal

3:07:033:07:10

rules. Two years ago you put the

balance of the housing associations

3:07:103:07:13

onto the national balance sheet so

it became part of our national debt.

3:07:133:07:19

This EU have moved them back onto

the balance sheet of the housing

3:07:193:07:23

associations. In, out, shake it all

about. If you had not done that,

3:07:233:07:26

would you have met your the school

rules?

That was the decision by the

3:07:263:07:32

Office for National Statistics

because those are deemed to be

3:07:323:07:36

private sector organisations.

Has

only two years ago it was on your

3:07:363:07:39

balance sheet. If that hadn't

happened, would you have stayed

3:07:393:07:42

within your fiscal rules?

That is

not a relevant point because those

3:07:423:07:47

organisations are being treated as

private sector organisations.

Only

3:07:473:07:51

two years ago you made them public.

That was a decision by the ONS based

3:07:513:08:00

on the activities of those

organisations. We have to go with

3:08:003:08:03

the ONS and the OBR on their

independent forecast. There is a

3:08:033:08:05

reason why the Treasury is not doing

the forecast and it is independent

3:08:053:08:09

organisations.

We have to leave it

there which is a pity because we

3:08:093:08:12

have more to talk about. Thank you

to Liz Truss. We now say goodbye to

3:08:123:08:19

our viewers in Scotland.

Let's go back to Jo Coburn and get

3:08:193:08:24

reaction in Peterborough.

Yes,

Andrew, I have been here watching

3:08:243:08:30

the Budget with employees and

businesses at Lawrence David, one of

3:08:303:08:35

the country's leading manufacturers

of lorry trailers. They have all

3:08:353:08:38

been busy at work while the Budget

has gone on. I will talk to two

3:08:383:08:45

people who run small businesses.

Philip Hammond the Chancellor

3:08:453:08:47

described you as the backbone of the

economy. Chuan Bass who makes

3:08:473:08:55

banners and Raj who runs a lakeside

cafe in Peterborough. -- Joanne

3:08:553:09:00

base. These were talked about in the

Budget -- business rates were talked

3:09:003:09:09

about in the Budget. Has this effect

did you at all?

Not at all.

What

3:09:093:09:17

would you have liked to have seen?

Cut in business rates and more

3:09:173:09:24

investment put back into businesses.

How much harder has it got for you

3:09:243:09:27

in the last year?

Quite a lot

harder. With minimum wages

3:09:273:09:35

increasing and pensions coming in,

there are more stretched resources

3:09:353:09:38

which are available for small

businesses to put back into training

3:09:383:09:42

of staff to put in improvements and

increase productivity.

What skills

3:09:423:09:49

do you need?

There is a massive

shortage of sales skills in the UK,

3:09:493:09:54

good customer service. It is a

section which suffers.

Raj, you run

3:09:543:10:02

a cafe so I assume the increase in

food prices affect the?

Massively.

3:10:023:10:08

We already struggle in terms of the

delivery of our bottom line and with

3:10:083:10:14

the minimum wage going up and the

pension contribution going up next

3:10:143:10:19

year, it is affected even further.

It was quite disappointing to see

3:10:193:10:23

nothing there for small businesses

like myself today. We were also

3:10:233:10:28

hoping to see some sort of reduction

in VAT and hospitality which we have

3:10:283:10:32

been talking about for years and

years now. I am disappointed that

3:10:323:10:36

nothing has happened now.

Are you

able to Budget in the way that you

3:10:363:10:45

would like to?

Yes, we are small

company which is constantly

3:10:453:10:49

reinvesting money back into the

business. We will look for ways we

3:10:493:10:52

can cut money so we are more

sustainable. At the end of the date

3:10:523:10:57

is about sustainability. We have to

make sure it is a viable operation

3:10:573:11:01

to run.

Thank you for your thoughts

on the businesses you run here in

3:11:013:11:08

Peterborough. Let's catch up on some

of the announcements that were made

3:11:083:11:12

which will affect people in terms of

their personal finances. Simon

3:11:123:11:17

Gompertz is down on the factory

floor. I will run down there in a

3:11:173:11:21

minute. Simon, over to you.

Thank

you. Lots of comments and questions

3:11:213:11:27

coming in. Jerome says won't a stamp

duty holiday just a few house prices

3:11:273:11:32

rather than get houses built? A lot

of people have said that. One state

3:11:323:11:37

agent says he

3:11:373:11:48

advises people to get their deals

done quickly, before prices start

3:11:493:11:51

rising, before this stamp duty

abolition effect kicks in. Susie

3:11:513:11:53

Turnbull says our son is a

first-time buyer buying a flat in

3:11:533:11:55

North London for £520,000. Will he

benefit from this damp duty

3:11:553:12:00

abolition? You get on £300,000

purchase for a home up to £500,000.

3:12:003:12:06

It does not look good. You will have

to check the details for yourselves.

3:12:063:12:11

Yvonne in London says why haven't

benefits been increased? The freeze

3:12:113:12:16

continues. That is a subtext in this

Budget not mentioned. The Chancellor

3:12:163:12:21

would say he has done something to

help people claiming Universal

3:12:213:12:24

Credit to get the money more

quickly. Keep the questions coming

3:12:243:12:29

in to have your say at

bbc.co.uk/budget. Jo.

Lets talk more

3:12:293:12:40

broadly about cost of living issues.

Because of inflation they say will

3:12:403:12:44

peak at 3% and come down next year,

but what is the effect on people?

We

3:12:443:12:50

have had an economy growing slowly,

wages not going up as much as people

3:12:503:12:54

would like. The effect is our money

does not going far -- them affected

3:12:543:13:01

our money does not go as far. Our

only hope is inflation starts to

3:13:013:13:08

come down. Price increases are not

so high over the next couple of

3:13:083:13:11

years. We might feel better off

because of that and there is help as

3:13:113:13:15

well in the Budget because of this.

The Government is going ahead with

3:13:153:13:19

the increase in personal allowance,

the amount you can earn before you

3:13:193:13:23

start paying tax. That is going up

to £11,800. A little bit of help

3:13:233:13:29

will hopefully help people along.

Simon Gompertz, thank you. That is

3:13:293:13:38

it from us on the factory floor but

we will be back with more people to

3:13:383:13:41

talk to with their reaction to the

statement. Andrew.

Thank you. Let's

3:13:413:13:44

go back to Jane Hill on College

Green.

3:13:443:13:47

Thank you. Let's get the views of

the TUC and the Institute of

3:13:473:13:51

directors from everything we have

heard from Philip Hammond. We can

3:13:513:13:57

welcome the assistant secretary of

the TUC and the Institute of

3:13:573:14:06

directors. There is a little bit

about nurses pay. What is your take

3:14:063:14:11

on that?

One of the key tests was

would the Chancellor deliver a pay

3:14:113:14:18

rise for Britain path that workers

and the public sector workers. I

3:14:183:14:20

must have missed most of the

announcements because he dropped

3:14:203:14:23

some hints about what might happen

in the NHS but the reality is what

3:14:233:14:27

we needed was a pay rise for all of

Britain's public sector workers who

3:14:273:14:31

have had seven years in real terms

pay cuts. Unfortunately, it means

3:14:313:14:37

public sector workers will face

another year of falling living

3:14:373:14:40

standards and another hit on their

pay packets.

There is extra money

3:14:403:14:44

for the NHS. There is an immediate

lump sum for winter brochures and a

3:14:443:14:50

big slump in terms of capital

expenditure. Is that to be welcomed?

3:14:503:14:56

-- there is a big amount in terms of

capital expenditure.

I think we need

3:14:563:15:06

to get into the detail. For me we

have 4 million hard-working public

3:15:063:15:10

servants who will face another year

of falling living standards and that

3:15:103:15:13

is not good enough from the

Chancellor. We know public sector

3:15:133:15:17

workers work as part of a team. It

does not matter if you are a nurse,

3:15:173:15:22

teacher, a classroom assistant or

people supporting elderly people,

3:15:223:15:25

people were expecting a pay rise and

the Chancellor has let them down.

3:15:253:15:37

Was talk about devolution positive?

It was positive. He mentioned

3:15:373:15:42

Northern Ireland and Scotland and

Wales that is good news for members

3:15:423:15:46

that we would like to see more than

words, we would like to see whether

3:15:463:15:49

money is spent and what it will do

to productivity and growth.

In terms

3:15:493:15:55

of productivity and growth, not

positive news from the OBR when we

3:15:553:16:00

look into the next few years.

The

statistics looking forward are

3:16:003:16:05

weaker than the Bank of England

declared recently and it is a worry

3:16:053:16:09

because we need improve productivity

to catch up with colleagues in the

3:16:093:16:14

G7 and make sure we can create jobs

and wealth needed to provide more

3:16:143:16:18

employment.

I would echo that but

there is a danger the government

3:16:183:16:24

gives with one hand and takes away

with another and at the same time

3:16:243:16:28

the Chancellor talks about funding

the Northern Powerhouse, in my city,

3:16:283:16:33

Liverpool, it is getting £330

million a year less from government

3:16:333:16:37

than in 2010 and that is not

alleviating pressures in public

3:16:373:16:42

services so any investment in public

infrastructure is good. We are

3:16:423:16:47

behind the OECD average. Even with

the announcement today. Not enough

3:16:473:16:52

to give us the confidence we need

going into the Brexit process.

Is

3:16:523:16:58

this a budget that makes this

country Brexit ready?

I would say in

3:16:583:17:04

a short no, because this was an

important budget to make big

3:17:043:17:08

announcements of the bold because

this is effectively the last budget

3:17:083:17:13

until Brexit day. The next one will

be too late to increase business

3:17:133:17:18

confidence and encourage them to go

out and invest and implored people

3:17:183:17:21

and there was not enough for

business to go out there and

3:17:213:17:26

increase confidence.

Business wanted

a steady as she goes budget, did

3:17:263:17:33

they get that?

By and large, he did

not score any own goals and did not

3:17:333:17:42

go backwards in that sense but it

did not move enough forward in terms

3:17:423:17:47

of how we tackle challenges of the

21st century, productivity, skills

3:17:473:17:53

gap, training. Not enough detail on

that. In housing, £44 billion was

3:17:533:17:58

mentioned but we would be interested

to see what that equates to.

Steady

3:17:583:18:04

as she goes was not good enough for

this budget and the millions we

3:18:043:18:09

represent, for working people and

families and communities who see pay

3:18:093:18:13

packets stagnating again. We have

had a squeeze on living standards

3:18:133:18:17

the past few years this was not an

ambitious budget and did not deliver

3:18:173:18:22

for working people.

When we look

future figures, every department,

3:18:223:18:30

every minister will be wanting more

money for their department and

3:18:303:18:33

everyone would like to see different

sectors of the community benefit but

3:18:333:18:37

if the money and productivity is not

there, how much room for manoeuvre

3:18:373:18:42

does he have?

This is linked. This

is why he needed to invest more in

3:18:423:18:50

infrastructure. We estimated the

public sector pay cap has sucked

3:18:503:18:54

billions out of the UK economy this

year alone. The people we represent

3:18:543:18:59

in schools, hospitals, councils,

when they get a pay rise they spend

3:18:593:19:04

it in the local economy, they do not

squirrel it in an offshore account

3:19:043:19:10

that money has been sucked out when

we needed it.

I think the budget, he

3:19:103:19:16

dipped his toe in the water but did

not make a big enough splash for

3:19:163:19:20

business.

All right. Thank you. Back

to you, Andrew.

3:19:203:19:29

We can go through some of the main

measures again and get some more

3:19:293:19:34

analysis. The main measures, the

headline measure, the popular papers

3:19:343:19:39

will concentrate on, stamp duty

abolished for first-time buyers of

3:19:393:19:45

properties up to £300,000, £300,000

is above average outside London and

3:19:453:19:52

the south-east so many may benefit

from that. Sellers will also

3:19:523:19:58

benefit. 2.8 billion extra resource

funding in NHS England for winter

3:19:583:20:04

and the next two years. Sounds a lot

but not what the NHS asked for.

3:20:043:20:09

Quite a bit less.

3:20:093:20:10

but not what the NHS asked for.

Quite a bit less. Additional funding

3:20:103:20:12

on top

3:20:123:20:14

Quite a bit less. Additional funding

on top of that will be provided when

3:20:143:20:17

a new pay deal is agreed with NHS

staff. The pay cap is now dead and

3:20:173:20:24

buried in the NHS and other parts of

the public sector. Other main

3:20:243:20:30

measures, the maximum wait for

Universal Credit will be reduced to

3:20:303:20:37

five weeks. Changes in the

introduction, quite expensive, he

3:20:373:20:41

had to find 1.5 billion to ease the

introduction of this welfare

3:20:413:20:46

payment. That is one of the changes

he is able to make. He says 300,000

3:20:463:20:52

additional homes in England each

year by the mid-2020s and the figure

3:20:523:20:57

is already just over 200,000 that he

wants to reach 300,000 by the

3:20:573:21:02

mid-2020s, which might mean it will

take a while to get planning changes

3:21:023:21:08

through and it takes awhile to get

consent and infrastructure in place.

3:21:083:21:13

The Tories know they are not popular

among young people, they have

3:21:133:21:20

extended the Railcard. 26-30. I am

sure young people will now be

3:21:203:21:27

flocking to the Tory banner on that,

by train, of course! He has frozen

3:21:273:21:32

fuel duty another year and

Chancellor is now do that every

3:21:323:21:36

year. It has ceased to be a way of

the Treasury raising additional

3:21:363:21:42

revenue. The macro economic picture

in which this budget has been drawn

3:21:423:21:45

up is not exciting. In places it is

grim. Economic growth downgraded the

3:21:453:21:52

next five years and each year,

including this year, at no stage

3:21:523:21:57

does the economy get close to

growing at 2% says the OBR, but it

3:21:573:22:01

could be wrong. Borrowing is to fall

in each of the next five years but

3:22:013:22:07

it does not follow the same rate the

Chancellor contemplated even in

3:22:073:22:11

March, so by 22-23 we will still

borrow around 26 billion. The

3:22:113:22:19

government wants us to focus on not

this annual deficit, it is not a big

3:22:193:22:25

percentage of GDP, not reaching

surplus, it is that our overall

3:22:253:22:31

national debt, the government

believes, is peaking and in this

3:22:313:22:38

financial year of 2017-18 and

thereafter begins to come down. Not

3:22:383:22:41

in absolute terms. It will probably

head towards close to two trillion

3:22:413:22:48

at some stage but as a percentage of

the national economy it begins to

3:22:483:22:52

come down and the Treasury thinks it

is significant and will keep the

3:22:523:22:56

bond markets happy and it is the

bond markets that lend us money to

3:22:563:23:01

pay for all this spending we did not

finance by tax. The OBR said there

3:23:013:23:06

would be another 600,000 people in

work by 2022.

Laura, bless you.

3:23:063:23:15

Thank you. I was sneezing off

microphone.

The nation heard! I

3:23:153:23:22

bless you.

What further political

thoughts? As we expected before

3:23:223:23:27

Philip Hammond got up onto his feet

that we saw what we were predicting,

3:23:273:23:33

no giant strides that were supposed

to reboot the government but

3:23:333:23:38

tiptoeing around potential banana

skin is making small steps in terms

3:23:383:23:42

of economic concern and political

concern. I think this will not be a

3:23:423:23:48

game changer because it does not

seem there are any things that could

3:23:483:23:52

prove to be a total disaster that

the Chancellor will have to

3:23:523:23:56

unpicked. Nor does it seem the kind

of event that will dramatically

3:23:563:24:02

change the conversation around

Westminster, giving the government

3:24:023:24:05

more confidence about their

position. That said, from the

3:24:053:24:09

Treasury and other politicians in

the government I have been speaking

3:24:093:24:14

to, their aim was not to ruffle

feathers and get this through

3:24:143:24:18

safely. I would watch out for

grumbles about the stamp duty idea.

3:24:183:24:24

Clearly it will help people who

already have property and I

3:24:243:24:29

understand from the figures buried

in here it will only in theory fund

3:24:293:24:34

an additional 3000 purchases.

Not

great shakes.

3000, that is it? Not

3:24:343:24:41

great shakes if that was his

defining mission Bert 15 billion of

3:24:413:24:45

new money overall over the next few

years of a package of measures.

It

3:24:453:24:50

is usually at this time in budget

specials we find something that they

3:24:503:24:57

result in the budget unravelling.

Have we done that?

This is where the

3:24:573:25:04

stamp duty policy, there might be

rumbles. I do not think we will see

3:25:043:25:10

a grand unravelling. Liz Truss

defended it robustly.

She knows it

3:25:103:25:15

is popular on the backbenches.

It

will grab headlines and make the

3:25:153:25:20

Tory party happy in parts. Simon,

any unravelling? I am worried about

3:25:203:25:26

business rates. The community

calling for that so business rates

3:25:263:25:31

will go up by the lower inflation

measure but they said they will

3:25:313:25:36

devalue every three years. That is

good but it does not give people an

3:25:363:25:41

incentive to invest to unlock the

productivity problem. If I have a

3:25:413:25:46

property and put new plant in, I

increase its rateable value and end

3:25:463:25:52

up paying more business rates and

there were calls to try to exempt

3:25:523:25:56

any additional investment from that

and every three years you could see

3:25:563:26:00

people paying higher business rates

sooner.

What is interesting, with

3:26:003:26:09

all budgets, of the dogs that did

not bark. Nothing around benefits

3:26:093:26:14

beyond the issue of Universal

Credit. And nothing about social

3:26:143:26:20

care, which was supposedly alongside

housing the big mission of this

3:26:203:26:24

government.

It was on that issue

that Mrs May effectively lost the

3:26:243:26:30

election.

The other issue, which

talks to what Simon raised with Liz

3:26:303:26:35

Truss, the idea that if the economy

takes further terms for the worse

3:26:353:26:40

and certainly the OBR suggests the

Brexit process could be a

3:26:403:26:46

significant adverse economic shock,

what Headroom is there left for the

3:26:463:26:53

Chancellor, given he has now

expanded the amount he is allowing

3:26:533:26:57

the public finances to borrow over

the next five years already, at this

3:26:573:27:01

early stage in this cycle in these

tough negotiations and they may be

3:27:013:27:07

more positive than many believe, but

if there is a significant possible

3:27:073:27:12

adverse shock as the OBR suggests,

has Mr Hammond put all his money

3:27:123:27:18

upfront now, because of the

political pressure he faces, but

3:27:183:27:24

actually, in three years, he will be

thinking, it is looking there.

3:27:243:27:28

We are going to say goodbye to the

BBC News channel now. We continue

3:27:333:27:41

with this Budget Special on BBC Two.

The risk of the Chancellor is taking

3:27:413:27:46

is that although the bond markets

that provide the borrowing would

3:27:463:27:51

take these deficits changes in its

stride, nevertheless, our

3:27:513:27:56

accumulated national debt comes to

88% of GDP. If it starts to fall,

3:27:563:28:03

the bond markets will take comfort.

If we were to hit another recession,

3:28:033:28:10

with our national debt at 88% of GDP

and the deficit sizeable it is a

3:28:103:28:17

risk.

It is and in terms of the

length of time this has taken to

3:28:173:28:23

fix, I remember it was a proper nerd

memory it was when Alistair Darling

3:28:233:28:31

stood up in the 2009 budget, saying

national debt will peak at 89% of

3:28:313:28:39

GDP in 2013. We are so far on from

when debt was meant and George

3:28:393:28:48

Osborne's policies forgotten about,

even though it was a central mission

3:28:483:28:54

when they came to power in coalition

in 2010 and number 11 in terms of

3:28:543:29:00

briefings have been explicit, the

new money from housing and

3:29:003:29:03

infrastructure comes from the

Headroom, from the 26 billion he

3:29:033:29:08

kept back. It used to be the

Treasury would say, OK, we believe

3:29:083:29:15

in number 11 and Brexit might be

rough but never fear, because Philip

3:29:153:29:20

Hammond has put aside 26 billion.

That is not there. We are not alone.

3:29:203:29:26

France. I need to move on to say we

not alone because the European

3:29:263:29:32

Commission has ticked off France and

Italy for running deficits bigger

3:29:323:29:37

than promised. Interesting. The US

deficit is rising and could rise

3:29:373:29:42

more after Mr Trump's tax reforms.

We can go back to Jo in

3:29:423:29:53

Peterborough.

3:29:533:29:59

Yes, hello from a leading

manufacturer of trailers for

3:29:593:30:06

lorries. Housing was supposed to be

the centrepiece of this Budget and

3:30:063:30:10

perhaps it was, but not as radical

as people were expecting. Let's chew

3:30:103:30:13

over some of the things the

Chancellor proposed. I'm here with

3:30:133:30:22

Lance Hick. One of the things he

announced was a review, rather than

3:30:223:30:27

forced intervention on developers

who are hoarding land. Many people

3:30:273:30:31

will say people should be forced to

giving up land if they are forced

3:30:313:30:37

the macro sitting on it.

The problem

is many developers, it can take six

3:30:373:30:47

to eight years to develop planning

legislation so they hold land.

World

3:30:473:30:57

the threat of a compulsory purchase

may people start building on the

3:30:573:31:01

land they have planning permission

for?

It may help but most companies

3:31:013:31:06

other than the big nationals cannot

get the big finance to deliver any

3:31:063:31:10

more. People like me who do about

400 year, we have finance to do a

3:31:103:31:14

bit more but we could not do any

more with the financial system we

3:31:143:31:18

had, so only the big top nationals

would get the funding. I cannot get

3:31:183:31:25

that funding.

Philip Hammond talked

about 300,000 new homes the year by

3:31:253:31:29

the mid-20 20s. That seems a long

way off when there is a chronic

3:31:293:31:33

housing shortage now. Is it doable?

My view would be, it is a noble

3:31:333:31:43

number, it is a necessary number,

but because of Brexit and the fact

3:31:433:31:46

that a lot of the EU nationals have

gone home and a lot will not be

3:31:463:31:49

coming here, there was a chronic

shortage of skilled labour. We will

3:31:493:31:54

implement some of the training

initiatives but they will take ten

3:31:543:31:57

years to come through. The problem

will be the fact we have left

3:31:573:32:00

Brexit, if there are not EU

nationals round, there will be

3:32:003:32:07

massive labour problems where in

London construction is 50% down.

3:32:073:32:12

Carl Hick, thank you. Another issue

to be addressed was proposals to hit

3:32:123:32:17

millennials because young people

felt they were hard hit in the

3:32:173:32:20

election with many in that age

bracket backing Labour. Simon

3:32:203:32:27

Gompertz is still on the factory

floor.

Yes, down here with the

3:32:273:32:33

trucks and vans. For millennials,

the big thing was the abolition of

3:32:333:32:37

stamp duty which will benefit the

vast majority of home-buyers who are

3:32:373:32:42

first-time buyers. The other thing I

noticed, that is the new Railcard

3:32:423:32:47

for the 26 to 30 S macro. Beyond

that, not a great deal. That had

3:32:473:32:54

been talk of better treatment in the

income taxes. That has not come

3:32:543:32:59

through so I think some will be

disappointed. We are getting a lot

3:32:593:33:04

of questions about the abolition of

stamp duty for first-time buyers,

3:33:043:33:08

particularly for people who have

just bought. Mark Chapman said via

3:33:083:33:12

Twitter, just a thought for all

those first-time buyers who

3:33:123:33:16

completed yesterday. Ian Ford says,

can my back claim it? Emma from

3:33:163:33:21

Liverpool said we completed our

purchase just a month ago after

3:33:213:33:27

years of saving and working extra

hours, devastated is not the word.

3:33:273:33:31

Laura Gilroy said we did it last

week. Is there anyway we can get

3:33:313:33:36

this money? This is how it works. It

is £300,000 which is exempt for

3:33:363:33:42

first-time buyers, that feeds you up

to £5,000 and 1600 average and up to

3:33:423:33:49

5500. Above 500 you don't get any

more and it applies from today,

3:33:493:34:00

sorry about that.

The backdrop to

this statement and the Chancellor's

3:34:003:34:05

Budget is Brexit. He did announce a

£3 billion pot for preparations for

3:34:053:34:11

Brexit. That is a significant

increase on what had been talked

3:34:113:34:14

about. We can talk to Leslie

Batchelor from the Institute for

3:34:143:34:20

export and international trade. Do

you think that is enough?

I hope so.

3:34:203:34:26

We have to start talking about

border controls and looking at new

3:34:263:34:30

software if we want to look a

vehicle recognition plates and we

3:34:303:34:33

will have to think about more lorry

parks for where we will store them

3:34:333:34:37

when they are waiting to be cleared

through customs so it is a big

3:34:373:34:43

project.

What about trade in the

future? Are you optimistic about

3:34:433:34:48

that or worried?

I am a little

worried that we are not preparing

3:34:483:34:51

for it very well. Businesses are not

finding out about international

3:34:513:34:56

trade. We are running courses and

educational programmes. We want

3:34:563:35:01

people to understand there are a lot

of implications.

But presumably with

3:35:013:35:11

the downgrading of the pound it has

helped?

It has indeed but my problem

3:35:113:35:16

is selling an price is a bad thing

if you want a sustained market. You

3:35:163:35:20

really have to be selling on quality

and value.

Lesley Batchelor, thank

3:35:203:35:25

you very much.

Back to you, Andrew. Thank you.

3:35:253:35:31

Let's speak to the leader of the

Liberal Democrats, Vince Cable. He

3:35:313:35:35

is on College Green. Welcome to the

programme. Mr Hammond has loosened

3:35:353:35:40

his belt. He is not going in for

extreme deficit reduction cutting

3:35:403:35:45

any more, it looks like he has given

up the idea of a surplus. You must

3:35:453:35:50

welcome all of the above?

I think

all of the above is sensible and we

3:35:503:35:56

have seen the massive constraints he

is labouring under, the cost of

3:35:563:35:59

Brexit and the high levels of

government debt and above all, the

3:35:593:36:04

slowdown in productivity. I think

the key problem in the Budget which

3:36:043:36:07

was not of his constraint --

creation, Brexit limits what he can

3:36:073:36:16

do. There were some sensible things

and some less sensible.

Is the

3:36:163:36:23

slowdown in your view nearly all

Brexit related, or is it as the OBR

3:36:233:36:28

seems to suggest, also to do with

our pretty poor record and

3:36:283:36:32

productivity growth in recent years,

which the OBR over estimated now

3:36:323:36:36

catching up with us?

The

productivity issue is very serious.

3:36:363:36:42

It is probably one of the long-term

legacies of the financial crisis. We

3:36:423:36:47

have had long periods in which

business has not invested and we

3:36:473:36:53

have not had benefit of new

technology and skills, but looking

3:36:533:36:57

forwards, Brexit, the uncertainties

around it and the impact of that is

3:36:573:37:01

dragging us down. You are right, the

underlying problem is the

3:37:013:37:05

productivity problem is very

serious. I do welcome some of the

3:37:053:37:09

things in the Budget around the

industrial strategy and more funding

3:37:093:37:13

for high-growth industries, that is

all good stuff and it is a

3:37:133:37:16

continuation of what I and my

colleagues were doing in the

3:37:163:37:19

coalition.

You say business has not

invested, but annual business

3:37:193:37:26

investment in 2010, as the crash was

still overhanging the British

3:37:263:37:30

economy, you will know well, you

were in government then, it was £143

3:37:303:37:36

billion of business investment. Last

year it was almost £180 billion and

3:37:363:37:40

it rose every year. So business has

continued to invest?

I think far

3:37:403:37:46

below the level that was needed to

get us out of this productivity

3:37:463:37:50

problem. Back in 2010, you will

remember the banks were simply not

3:37:503:37:55

lending which is why I helped set up

the business bank with my colleagues

3:37:553:38:00

and we had to do a whole lot of

emergency things. Whatever business

3:38:003:38:05

investment is taking place is

welcomed, but it is not on the scale

3:38:053:38:09

that is necessary. I think the big

story underlined in this Budget is

3:38:093:38:12

the slowdown in growth, the

uncertainty. The word uncertainty I

3:38:123:38:18

think of code word for Brexit.

Nobody knows quite what will happen.

3:38:183:38:21

The effects of this is dragging the

economy down in all kinds of

3:38:213:38:26

different ways.

Is at the symbolism

of the Budget in your view that it

3:38:263:38:30

represents the end of austerity? I

know that many people will still

3:38:303:38:35

feel austerity, that is not in

doubt. But in terms of the

3:38:353:38:39

Government ever tightening its belt,

has that cycle now come to an" Mac I

3:38:393:38:44

don't think it has.

If you look at

the line in the Budget which relates

3:38:443:38:48

to current spending, not investment,

virtually no growth at all and that

3:38:483:38:56

has got to incorporate public sector

pay increases. Public sector

3:38:563:39:02

spending, which I think most people

-- which I think is what most people

3:39:023:39:07

mean by austerities squeezed. If you

took a living standards, the basic

3:39:073:39:11

story is the average individual will

be £700 a week worse off at the end

3:39:113:39:16

of this Parliament, compared with

the expectations which were in the

3:39:163:39:20

forecast before the election.

And we

have had wage stagnation for over

3:39:203:39:26

ten years. Real wages are lower than

they were in 2007, and it is not

3:39:263:39:33

clear unless I have missed

something, that if you look at the

3:39:333:39:36

forecast going forward at the end of

the decade, that that wage

3:39:363:39:40

stagnation will come to an" Mac no,

it isn't, and it is this combination

3:39:403:39:45

which you quite rightly point out,

low levels of productivity, very

3:39:453:39:50

slow levels combined with a slowing

economy.

There is some relief which

3:39:503:40:04

does provide some relief in terms of

take-home pay but wages will

3:40:043:40:08

continue to be squeezed on this

forecast.

Thank you for joining us

3:40:083:40:14

on this BBC Budget special. The

Government is taking a hammering for

3:40:143:40:18

this in the run-up to the Budget, Mr

Corbyn raised it several times, his

3:40:183:40:24

own backbenchers, some of them were

rebelling on the issue complaining

3:40:243:40:28

he has found £1.5 billion, what has

he done with that to ameliorate?

He

3:40:283:40:35

has done a variety of different

things. One is to get rid of the

3:40:353:40:38

seven-day weight when you first make

a claim, the other thing he has done

3:40:383:40:43

his length in the period claims will

have to pay back in advance. Part of

3:40:433:40:48

the Universal Credit system if you

have no money during the period from

3:40:483:40:52

when you change from one benefit to

another, you could ask for an

3:40:523:40:56

advance, basically alone from the

Government. Then there was a

3:40:563:40:59

complaint that people did not have

long to pay that back. There is a

3:40:593:41:13

mixture of issues which have

pacified the Tory rebels. Heidi

3:41:133:41:18

Allen is an outspoken critic and

this seems to have gone away. I

3:41:183:41:32

would not be surprised if there were

more problems along the line. The

3:41:323:41:37

other thing I would say is you are

raising the Vince Cable, the squeeze

3:41:373:41:43

on other bits of government

certainly has not disappeared.

3:41:433:41:51

To make room for capital spending

they had to continue to squeeze.

The

3:41:513:41:56

squeeze on police budgets, local

government, squeezes on spending of

3:41:563:42:01

this government that had been set

out in previous years have not

3:42:013:42:06

disappeared, just because the

Chancellor has eased up a bit on

3:42:063:42:10

what is to come in the next couple

of years. Many government

3:42:103:42:15

departments who spend money on the

ground around the country still feel

3:42:153:42:19

under massive pressure to be able to

deliver the savings they were going

3:42:193:42:23

to have to do. The cuts have not

gone away just because Philip

3:42:233:42:28

Hammond made the decision to ease

off the squeeze in coming years and

3:42:283:42:36

had he wanted to do something more

radical, whatever the bond markets

3:42:363:42:42

might have said about it if he

wanted to borrow more money today he

3:42:423:42:47

could've done it. He could have done

it, borrowed more and the bond

3:42:473:42:51

markets would take it in their

stride.

Possibly in the short-term

3:42:513:42:56

but that builds pressure into the

system. Debt repayments will go up

3:42:563:43:01

after this budget. They are also

already going up because of higher

3:43:013:43:09

inflation and interest rates. Every

time the bank of England raises

3:43:093:43:13

interest rates it increases the cost

for government debt to service the

3:43:133:43:16

debt so that is a pressure. Although

politically he could get away with

3:43:163:43:20

it, I think he is concerned given

the possible Brexit cost, not

3:43:203:43:27

increasing the amount of debt

servicing costs.

Simon, on this

3:43:273:43:34

business investment front, the

annual figures look impressive,

3:43:343:43:39

about 10% of GDP, but it is not

sparkling in recent years, going

3:43:393:43:47

through the roof at a time of

continuous growth. If you are a

3:43:473:43:52

businessman and you think 1.5%

growth this year, 1.3 next and the

3:43:523:43:57

year after, that would not encourage

you to invest.

You would not say

3:43:573:44:01

that is an economy I want exposure

to. That is right. The business

3:44:013:44:07

investment story has not been bad

over the past couple of months but

3:44:073:44:11

the foreign direct investment in the

UK that provides economic growth and

3:44:113:44:15

jobs. And a lot of productivity,

they are the most productive

3:44:153:44:21

investors, the foreign investments,

that has fallen off a bit of a cliff

3:44:213:44:25

in the last six months which is

Brexit related. What people were

3:44:253:44:30

looking to having to do today, can

you inoculate business against

3:44:303:44:35

Brexiteers? The answer is no. Did he

mess up? No, he missed banana skins

3:44:353:44:41

of VAT. Like you say we cannot over

estimate and the Economist cannot

3:44:413:44:53

over emphasise the productivity

problem which is acute, worse in

3:44:533:44:56

this country than others and we have

put in money and we have 23 billion,

3:44:563:45:02

31 billion investment fund. On these

numbers, you are going to chuck that

3:45:023:45:07

money and hope something happens.

Let's go back on the ground to

3:45:073:45:10

Peterborough.

3:45:103:45:17

Lets get some reaction to the

downgrading of the growth forecast.

3:45:173:45:23

The company I am with talk earlier

about wanting to boost productivity.

3:45:233:45:28

We will talk to Jonathan Todd and

from Opportunity Peterborough we

3:45:283:45:33

will talk to Steve Beria. Was there

anything in the Budget which said

3:45:333:45:50

you liked?

We were disappointed.

There was nothing which will give us

3:45:503:45:54

confidence which will help us boost

productivity in this factory. Help

3:45:543:45:59

us pay people more and bring more

prosperity to people of

3:45:593:46:06

Peterborough?

What is your opinion

on the forecast, what will it did

3:46:063:46:15

your business long-term?

I

personally think you have to play

3:46:153:46:18

what you have in front of you. We

will have to take more business off

3:46:183:46:23

competitors. We will have to

struggle as best we can to become

3:46:233:46:27

more efficient, to price efficiently

and make sure we have the best

3:46:273:46:32

product offered in the marketplace.

What will you be investing with?

We

3:46:323:46:43

will be using some of the money the

Chancellor highlighted for the

3:46:433:46:52

services in the city. The big focus

was around skills as well. We have

3:46:523:46:56

to think about productivity and how

we develop skills around that. The

3:46:563:47:02

retraining was important and the

apprenticeship levy. There were

3:47:023:47:05

hints in the speech which we want to

explore further.

What about

3:47:053:47:10

infrastructure? One of the issues

raised was about better

3:47:103:47:13

connectivity. Better transport links

will help boost companies around

3:47:133:47:17

this region?

That is right. It is

connectivity and Peterborough which

3:47:173:47:24

drives investment into this area. We

heard the comments around Oxford,

3:47:243:47:30

Milton Keynes and Cambridge. We need

to see how this infrastructure

3:47:303:47:33

funding can be pulled up in places

in Peterborough. Those economies

3:47:333:47:38

need a boost from that. I share the

concerns about the clear message and

3:47:383:47:43

commitment. The growth figures are

concerning but let's talk about how

3:47:433:47:47

we can exploit it better.

If you're

going to take business away from

3:47:473:47:52

foreign competitors, the growth

rates in many EU countries are

3:47:523:47:55

higher than ours?

The one thing we

have is the exchange rate has

3:47:553:48:02

deteriorated significantly which

makes it more expensive for foreign

3:48:023:48:06

competitors to attack our

marketplace. On the flip side,

3:48:063:48:09

components we bring in from Europe

have become more expensive. We would

3:48:093:48:13

personally like to have seen

measures which have given us the

3:48:133:48:16

confidence to invest in capital

equipment to bring more

3:48:163:48:19

manufacturing back to the UK.

Gentlemen, thank you. Let's go to

3:48:193:48:25

our personal finance expert Simon

gone. He is down on the factory

3:48:253:48:28

floor. Bring us up to date with

Universal Credit?

3:48:283:48:35

A lot of questions about how it will

work. Two big changes to deal with

3:48:353:48:40

those delays of six weeks or more

people experience and are causing 70

3:48:403:48:46

problems of the first, it was seven

days between applying and becoming

3:48:463:48:51

eligible, you will be eligible from

the date of applying which counts

3:48:513:48:55

out one week of the waiting and

secondly you will be able to apply

3:48:553:48:59

for emergency money, the first

month, upfront and will be able to

3:48:593:49:04

do that within the first five days

so two elements of help. The

3:49:043:49:09

question is who will get the

emergency money and will there be

3:49:093:49:15

problems delivering it? We can talk

about diesel because we are among

3:49:153:49:18

the trucks and vehicles in

Peterborough and Jo on Twitter says

3:49:183:49:23

why is the levy on diesel vehicles

only applying to cars? It is

3:49:233:49:29

politically and business-wise a

problem because the Chancellor does

3:49:293:49:32

not want to clobber business by

saying if you get a new diesel

3:49:323:49:36

vehicle you will pay more in the

first year. That is the reason.

3:49:363:49:43

Thank you, Simon. Labour called for

a pause, not just a reduction in the

3:49:433:49:47

waiting time with Universal Credit.

Back to Andrew. Thanks. In the

3:49:473:49:53

Westminster studio we are joined by

Labour Shadow Chancellor John

3:49:533:49:56

McDonnell. He has loosened his belt,

going for slower deficit reduction,

3:49:563:50:05

increasing spending, found money for

Universal Credit, nurses' pay, and

3:50:053:50:09

various other things. You must be

happy with the direction of the

3:50:093:50:14

budget?

Not really. The scale is

nowhere near matching the lead.

3:50:143:50:20

Universal Credit, for every pound he

puts in he has taken off £10. NHS,

3:50:203:50:28

less than half of what was asked for

by Simon Stevens, a three-year

3:50:283:50:33

programme. It is more but I do not

think it will meet demand. Simon

3:50:333:50:38

Stevens said we could have a waiting

list of 5 million if we do not get

3:50:383:50:44

the 4 billion needed and he got

nowhere near that. Education,

3:50:443:50:48

nothing. Another area I have raised,

local authorities are talking about

3:50:483:50:55

vulnerable children and a £2 billion

gap. Children brought into care,

3:50:553:50:59

nothing on that. It is a no change

budget.

Would you have gone for

3:50:593:51:06

slower deficit reduction or none at

all?

In our fiscal rule we look to

3:51:063:51:15

eliminate the deficit but I would

have stopped giving away to the

3:51:153:51:20

rich, corporation tax, bankers' levy

and invest in public services. That

3:51:203:51:25

would have given us 76 billion.

The

government has cut corporation tax

3:51:253:51:29

and gained a 25% increase in

revenue.

You confuse correlation

3:51:293:51:34

with causation. The increase comes

because we have growth in the

3:51:343:51:38

economy, as a result of some

investment. Not as a result of

3:51:383:51:43

corporation tax cuts. What is needed

is a fairer tax system so we can

3:51:433:51:48

afford public services and we have

not seen that today.

How much do we

3:51:483:51:53

spend now on paying the interest on

national debt?

A lot. I will send

3:51:533:51:59

you a note on the figure. You don't

know? I know the figure but do not

3:51:593:52:04

have it in front of me.

At the

moment, 46 billion.

It has gone

3:52:043:52:09

down. It has gone up.

It went down

previously. I assure you, it is

3:52:093:52:15

going up. If you did not know the

figure you do not know if it has

3:52:153:52:19

gone up or down.

I can remember the

trend. It is as was said when you

3:52:193:52:29

have a desperate need for housing

and interest rates are low you

3:52:293:52:33

borrow and when you borrow to invest

you get the return because it will

3:52:333:52:37

be matched in terms of the

multiplier effect.

We spend more on

3:52:373:52:42

interest, the British taxpayer, just

on servicing the interest payments

3:52:423:52:45

than we do on defence, and on

transport. You would add to that

3:52:453:52:52

with your policies and it would be

more than 50 billion.

The current

3:52:523:52:56

Chancellor increase the debt by

about and if we had grown the

3:52:563:53:06

economy we would be able to afford

the public services we have got and

3:53:063:53:10

we would not have the productivity

crisis.

We have a national debt of

3:53:103:53:15

over 1.7 trillion. Your plan is to

add to it and you are going to

3:53:153:53:20

borrow. Another 250 billion for

infrastructure fund. 25 billion a

3:53:203:53:30

year extra, borrow for

nationalisation, tens of billions.

3:53:303:53:34

And you would borrow for PFI.

We

would swap bonds for shares and you

3:53:343:53:41

bring in a profitable industry

that's how you paper that.

The

3:53:413:53:46

industries you want to nationalise

you say are profitable because they

3:53:463:53:50

are ripping off the customer.

We

would ensure a proper rate of return

3:53:503:53:54

to the state of reducing prices.

Like in the water industry, if you

3:53:543:54:00

are not shelling out share profits

and dividends.

How do you ensure

3:54:003:54:04

profitability that gives enough for

the nation to get a return and to

3:54:043:54:08

cut prices for consumers?

East Coast

line was brought back into public

3:54:083:54:14

ownership and contributed a billion

into the Treasury.

The head of East

3:54:143:54:19

Coast said the way they did that was

stopping investment.

Instead of

3:54:193:54:23

giving a billion to the Treasury in

cash, you use it to invest.

Their

3:54:233:54:29

ticket prices went up a lot in that

period. You want to do both things.

3:54:293:54:35

You said you can do them at the same

time.

If you manage it effectively,

3:54:353:54:41

you could use some to reduce prices

of the Somme for investment.

You

3:54:413:54:45

would not have had that much and you

are going to borrow billions more.

3:54:453:54:53

Why? Because a billion is not much

if you cut prices.

I am saying it

3:54:533:54:59

would have been used to cut prices

and invest.

You are going to borrow

3:54:593:55:06

billions to nationalise.

We are

going to bring an asset back to

3:55:063:55:10

public ownership, which is neutral,

you borrow to nationalise but the

3:55:103:55:14

servicing of the debt is paid for

because you have a profitable

3:55:143:55:21

industry.

That is a question of

whether you can run anything at a

3:55:213:55:24

profit.

Every time a rail system

franchise has gone and it's come

3:55:243:55:31

back into public ownership it has

been managed effectively.

How much

3:55:313:55:37

profit did British rail make?

That

is the problem with British rail, it

3:55:373:55:41

was not invested in. There was an

analysis of British rail and it was

3:55:413:55:45

probably one of the most efficient

services in Europe based on the

3:55:453:55:50

money invested.

You said at the

weekend Paris had done it with the

3:55:503:55:54

water supply. The mayor of Paris.

How much did Paris raising bonds?

I

3:55:543:56:00

have not looked at the detail. I

gave it as an example and I was

3:56:003:56:05

saying other countries are looking

at this.

The Parisians have done

3:56:053:56:11

this but they have raised no bonds.

I did not use Paris and is -- as an

3:56:113:56:20

example, I said it is where it is

happening.

You did in 2010. It turns

3:56:203:56:27

out they raised no bombs.

I said

Paris was an example of it

3:56:273:56:31

happening. I said we would ease

shares for bonds, not that model,

3:56:313:56:38

previously done in nationalisation

is.

Do you think one of the biggest

3:56:383:56:42

challenges is productivity and to do

that we need to attract investment?

3:56:423:56:47

What signal does it send, a

nationalisation programme when you

3:56:473:56:50

need private investment?

What you

also need is the state to invest

3:56:503:56:56

because that gives an opportunity

for private investors to match it.

3:56:563:57:00

What about something else? We have

set out a programme in the

3:57:003:57:05

manifesto. The interesting thing,

when I am talking to asset managers

3:57:053:57:10

and others they come to us because

they want the certainty of a

3:57:103:57:13

government that will invest in the

long-term. Which ones? I have said

3:57:133:57:19

this in confidence to them. I am not

going to name them. It is like

3:57:193:57:25

Philip Hammond meeting business

leaders...

You cannot tell us a

3:57:253:57:30

single major asset manager you have

met?

I have said to them it will be

3:57:303:57:34

a confidential discussion and I

respect Chatham House rules. Philip

3:57:343:57:38

Hammond tried to do it at Tory party

conference. They have given us

3:57:383:57:46

advice and assistance throughout. It

is possible to check.

Do you doubt

3:57:463:57:52

my honesty? I would like to know the

asset managers. Are you doubting my

3:57:523:57:56

honesty? I would like you to provide

the evidence.

I have told you. It is

3:57:563:58:04

unusual for asset managers to

appreciate the fact the value of

3:58:043:58:07

their assets will be determined by

Parliament.

No, what they are

3:58:073:58:14

saying, including asset managers in

the pension fund field and across,

3:58:143:58:19

they want stable government that

will invest in infrastructure. 250

3:58:193:58:25

billion, a 10-year programme, is not

untoward and is what past

3:58:253:58:28

governments have done. That is why

we have a productivity crisis,

3:58:283:58:33

because this government has failed

to invest for seven years.

John

3:58:333:58:38

McDonnell, we have run out of time

but I look forward to coming back to

3:58:383:58:42

that discussion. That is the end of

the Budget Special. Goodbye.

3:58:423:58:49

Goodbye.

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