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Hello and welcome for another half an hour of politics here in Cardiff Bay. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:24 | |
America has elected its new President and a week tomorrow, | 0:00:24 | 0:00:28 | |
we will be at the polling stations as well. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:30 | |
More on the Police Commissioners in a moment. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
But first, we will be discussing the latest on the allegations | 0:00:33 | 0:00:37 | |
of abuse in children's homes in North Wales during the 1970s and '80s. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:41 | |
What was hidden and why? | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
Joining us tonight are Plaid Cymru MP Elfyn Llwyd, | 0:00:44 | 0:00:49 | |
the Conservative Felix Aubel and journalist Gareth Hughes. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
Welcome to you. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
After the Jillings and Waterhouse reports, | 0:00:54 | 0:00:58 | |
Westminster has agreed to set up two new inquiries | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
into allegations of abuse at children's care homes in North Wales. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
There are allegations that a prominent political figure | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
is part of that case and that previous inquiries had failed | 0:01:07 | 0:01:12 | |
to reveal the truth. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:14 | |
Tomos Livingstone has the latest. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
Bryn Estyn in Wrexham. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
It is a scar on the history of Wales | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
and one that has been re-opened this week. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
Children were sexually abused here during the '70s and '80s | 0:01:28 | 0:01:33 | |
but questions have been raised about who was to blame. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:40 | |
Was the 1996 independent inquiry thorough enough? | 0:01:40 | 0:01:46 | |
With stories about Jimmy Savile in the newspapers, | 0:01:46 | 0:01:50 | |
there's pressure to look again into the Bryn Estyn case. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
Keith Towler has raised his concerns | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
with the First Minister, Carwyn Jones. | 0:01:56 | 0:02:00 | |
What kind of inquiry will take place? | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
Will it be held by a judge or a Commissioner? | 0:02:03 | 0:02:07 | |
You can't open the old inquiry | 0:02:07 | 0:02:11 | |
because many people have died since then. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:13 | |
The question for me | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
is how can we move forward to make sure that people get answers? | 0:02:16 | 0:02:21 | |
There were feeling in Cardiff Bay | 0:02:21 | 0:02:23 | |
that Westminster should be leading this one. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:27 | |
Steve Messham travelled to London | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
to hear two new inquiries are to be held. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:32 | |
One into the North Wales Police | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
and the other will look into the Waterhouse Report. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:40 | |
It is important the victims have the opportunity to a fair hearing. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:48 | |
I am pleased that Mr Messham came to talk to us. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:53 | |
It was very important to him as well. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:58 | |
There were claims that Conservative politicians | 0:02:58 | 0:03:02 | |
had been abusing children in North Wales. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:04 | |
One of the politicians is alive but has not been named publicly. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:11 | |
Last night, one victim said that Sir Peter Morrison, | 0:03:11 | 0:03:17 | |
the MP for Chester who died in 1995, had visited the children's home. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:23 | |
Questions have to be asked about why the inquiry | 0:03:23 | 0:03:29 | |
was blinkered in a way at that time. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:33 | |
There were debates within Parliament | 0:03:33 | 0:03:38 | |
after the report was published why people weren't named. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:44 | |
There were also questions as to why the police | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
didn't look into the allegations. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
Can these allegations be properly looked at | 0:03:52 | 0:03:56 | |
as so much time has passed? | 0:03:56 | 0:04:00 | |
The victims hope that this is a chance for the truth to come out. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:05 | |
Elfyn Llwyd, | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
do you share these concerns about the Waterhouse Inquiry | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
as someone who has been involved in the legal circles in North Wales? | 0:04:13 | 0:04:18 | |
Yes. I think the biggest problem is that the remit of that inquiry | 0:04:18 | 0:04:24 | |
was too narrow. It should have been expanded. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:31 | |
It wasn't good enough in my opinion for anyone to say | 0:04:31 | 0:04:35 | |
because this abuse took place outside of the care home, | 0:04:35 | 0:04:38 | |
it wasn't something that they could investigate. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:43 | |
The evidence should have been looked at very carefully by the police | 0:04:43 | 0:04:48 | |
to see how far it went. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:52 | |
It is a matter what the remit was at the time. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
I remember the investigation was welcomed | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
and it has raised many issues and showed abuse on a wide scale. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:06 | |
But many of us argued afterwards what has happened | 0:05:06 | 0:05:11 | |
to those who took part in the abuse, | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
why only six or seven have been prosecuted. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:21 | |
That is the point. Many things happened, | 0:05:21 | 0:05:26 | |
including setting up the Children's Commissioner for Wales post? | 0:05:26 | 0:05:30 | |
Nothing was set up to get justice for the victims. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
That is why I am worried. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
I agree with what the Welsh Secretary said. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:39 | |
I agree with the Children's Commissioner. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
Shehas said that extra resources will be brought in from London. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:48 | |
We need to look at what happened with Waterhouse. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
I think the remit was too narrow. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:56 | |
There won't be any mismanagement with that inquiry. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
That inquiry did as well as they could. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
What I don't understand is for some of them to suggest | 0:06:03 | 0:06:07 | |
to these young people because it was outside the remit | 0:06:07 | 0:06:11 | |
they did not want to know anything about it, | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
that doesn't make any sense. The police should have come right in. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:19 | |
Dozens were named in the report. I remember reading the report myself. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:24 | |
Dozens of people haven't been prosecuted. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
Felix Aubel, William Hague was the Welsh Secretary at the time | 0:06:27 | 0:06:32 | |
and he called for this inquiry. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:34 | |
Why did he put in place such a narrow remit? | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
That is a mystery. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
We have to look at this current situation rather than looking back. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:44 | |
But we have to look back in order to learn lessons? | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
David Cameron wants to have a detailed report of what happened. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:54 | |
Looking back Waterhouse, | 0:06:54 | 0:06:55 | |
why didn't they look at abuse that happened outside the care homes? | 0:06:55 | 0:06:59 | |
We have to ask the politicians. I don't have that answer. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
But was something being hidden? | 0:07:03 | 0:07:07 | |
We had the Jillings Report that was shelved. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:12 | |
Questions have to be raised as to what was being hidden. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
It is possible that some people only gave evidence if they weren't named. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:21 | |
I remember when I was working in North Wales | 0:07:21 | 0:07:27 | |
there were rumours about Peter Morrison. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
People tended to turn a blind eye. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
But there was no link between that and care homes in North Wales. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:39 | |
Let's look at what the Welsh Government has done here. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:46 | |
They have left the Westminster Government to sort it out | 0:07:46 | 0:07:51 | |
as devolution hadn't taken place then. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
Are you surprised that Carwyn Jones has told them to look after it? | 0:07:54 | 0:08:00 | |
I'm not surprised. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
The Assembly don't have the right to look into police matters. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:08 | |
But they are responsible for child welfare? | 0:08:08 | 0:08:13 | |
If you look at what happened in the '90s, | 0:08:13 | 0:08:19 | |
there was a lot of talk about how the police dealt with the problem. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:24 | |
Those who gave evidence said there were some accusations | 0:08:24 | 0:08:31 | |
against some people in the police force itself. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:38 | |
I think Westminster should look into the matter. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:46 | |
Would you agree with that? Do you think there could be a joint inquiry? | 0:08:46 | 0:08:50 | |
I hope that Carwyn Jones will take part in this process. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:57 | |
We need to look into Waterhouse, | 0:08:57 | 0:08:59 | |
but with the police it hasn't been devolved to Wales yet. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:05 | |
It is important that Westminster takes the main role in that respect. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:10 | |
But Carwyn Jones has to talk with Westminster | 0:09:10 | 0:09:15 | |
and represent the people of Wales to tell them | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
what kind of inquiry we want to look into the events of Waterhouse | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
You can't wash your hands of the matter | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
and say it is a matter for Westminster. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
Felix Aubel, there have been calls for a much wider inquiry. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:31 | |
We have got quite a few inquiries going on. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:36 | |
We need some sort of Leveson Inquiry to look at the matters in general? | 0:09:36 | 0:09:42 | |
I would welcome that. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
Terrible things have taken place and we have to sort it out | 0:09:45 | 0:09:50 | |
and find out who did what and when. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
We need to learn from the past in order to improve our future. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:58 | |
Isn't there a danger of hysteria here? | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
Somebody just wants to call for an inquiry and it's given? | 0:10:01 | 0:10:08 | |
If somebody makes an allegation like this, | 0:10:08 | 0:10:13 | |
I don't think these young people here haven't had fair play. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:19 | |
The victims haven't been treated fairly | 0:10:19 | 0:10:23 | |
for example Savil's victims and these victims in North Wales. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:31 | |
I think we need an inquiry into this. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
But the question is what kind of inquiry. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
I think it should be one big one because things overlap. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:42 | |
Some are asking whether Jimmy Savile was in North Wales. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:47 | |
So, we should look at it as a bigger picture. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
Realistically, the idea of prosecuting people, | 0:10:51 | 0:10:55 | |
and having a jury find them guilty | 0:10:55 | 0:10:59 | |
is going to be very difficult after such a long time? | 0:10:59 | 0:11:03 | |
I don't think so. Only two weeks ago that a man in his late 80s | 0:11:03 | 0:11:09 | |
was prosecuted for abusing girls in the 1970s. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:15 | |
It is possible to do that if the evidence is in place. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:20 | |
As Gareth said, there were allegations | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
against one high-ranking officer in North Wales. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
I don't know whether that is true or not. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
But it is a good thing that experts, who specialise in child abuse, | 0:11:30 | 0:11:35 | |
are coming in to help in this inquiry. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
We need a truly independent inquiry into this. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:45 | |
But in an extensice inquiry, | 0:11:45 | 0:11:50 | |
some things could slip through the cracks. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:54 | |
We have to concentrate on what happened in North Wales. | 0:11:54 | 0:12:00 | |
You can't open the umbrella too much otherwise you will lose the details. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:07 | |
But as inquiries, such as Hillsborough and Bloody Sunday, | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
because they are over such a long period of time, | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
does it mean you can reach the truth after such a long time? | 0:12:15 | 0:12:21 | |
But after time passes, people tend to forget. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:27 | |
In the case of what has happened in children's homes in North Wales, | 0:12:27 | 0:12:32 | |
you have to act immediately while it is still fresh in the mind. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:39 | |
But do you think they will have a fairer hearing now | 0:12:39 | 0:12:43 | |
than they would have during the Waterhouse Inquiry? | 0:12:43 | 0:12:47 | |
I think that's true. We should have a panel of people | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
like they did during the Hillsborough inquiry. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:55 | |
They all had different abilities | 0:12:55 | 0:12:58 | |
and looked into things in more detail. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
I would like to see an inquiry and things being more open. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:07 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
An election will be held in Wales a week tomorrow, | 0:13:09 | 0:13:12 | |
although the race to choose new Police Commissioners | 0:13:12 | 0:13:16 | |
hasn't been given much attention. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:20 | |
These are new posts. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:22 | |
How much of an affect will these new Commissioners have? | 0:13:22 | 0:13:26 | |
Is there a better era for policing in Wales on the horizon? | 0:13:26 | 0:13:31 | |
High-ranking police officers come to Glamorgan University | 0:13:31 | 0:13:35 | |
to hone their skills. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
This control room is used to interview suspects | 0:13:37 | 0:13:42 | |
and to try to control civil crisis. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
Before long, they will be answerable to a new chief, | 0:13:45 | 0:13:49 | |
an elected Police Commissioner. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:51 | |
The new commissioners can't make day-to-day policing decisions | 0:13:51 | 0:13:55 | |
but they will have powers. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
They will rule the budget. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:02 | |
They will decide on the policing priorities. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
But will it lead to more local and community policing? | 0:14:05 | 0:14:10 | |
Is that asking too much of one officer? | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
The main debate will be prioritising. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:18 | |
How will the people connect with the communities? | 0:14:18 | 0:14:24 | |
How will they pull out the priorities the communities need? | 0:14:24 | 0:14:30 | |
We think of a community as one thing, but it isn't. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:34 | |
Community is different to everyone. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
It could be a community on the internet or elderly people. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
It could be a community of young people. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
You have to take into account everyone | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
and how they are going to vote for the new commissioner. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
But is there a potential to break new ground? | 0:14:51 | 0:14:55 | |
Law-and-order has not been devolved to Wales, but one expert says, | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
it is possible that a new Welsh way of policing will develop. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
What is the role of policing in Wales? | 0:15:03 | 0:15:07 | |
How should we organise policing in Wales in this devolved era? | 0:15:07 | 0:15:12 | |
What are the needs of Wales when it comes to the Welsh language? | 0:15:12 | 0:15:19 | |
There is an opportunity here to create a new climate | 0:15:19 | 0:15:25 | |
that will lead to public discussion on the strategic role. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:32 | |
This is the real value of this role. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:38 | |
What is the shape and form of policing in Wales? | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
But the preparations have been uneasy so far. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
Thousands of English language voting slips had to be binned | 0:15:46 | 0:15:50 | |
after a mistake by the Home Office. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
Not everyone believes that we are on the verge of a new era | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
of policing in Wales. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
We are worried that the turnout is going to be very low. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:03 | |
This raises questions about mandate. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
It doesn't matter how hard candidates have worked. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:09 | |
There are questions about how information is going to be given | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
to the public about candidates. It hasn't been organised very well. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:19 | |
Many mistakes have been made during this campaign. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
We will be stepping into a new era | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
with the election of four new Police Commissioners. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:30 | |
It's possible that the four will lead Wales to new grounds. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
With money tight, any dramatic changes will take time. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:40 | |
If you want more information on all the candidates, | 0:16:43 | 0:16:47 | |
please visit our website. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:51 | |
-Elfyn Llwyd, these Police Commissioners, is it a good idea? -No. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
I don't see the point in having them. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
There are dangers in bringing politics into policing. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
Policing exists because the public have a relationship | 0:17:01 | 0:17:06 | |
with the police where they allow the police | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
to do their work and they help them. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
Bring politics or the idea of politics into this | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
and that relationship will fail. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
90% of crimes are solved after information is given by the public. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:26 | |
If you destroy that very important relationship, | 0:17:26 | 0:17:31 | |
policing could be very difficult | 0:17:31 | 0:17:35 | |
and we could be going down a slippery slope. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
Damian Green, The minister responsible for policing said today | 0:17:38 | 0:17:43 | |
that it would be unlikely that something like that could happen | 0:17:43 | 0:17:50 | |
with one individual in this post. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
Scandals such as the North Wales homes abuse couldn't happen? | 0:17:54 | 0:17:59 | |
I think that is a desperate justification. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:05 | |
That is something quite shocking to say the least. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:09 | |
We have just heard that the Commissioner | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
won't have the right to interfere in day-to-day policing. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
Damian Green is talking nonsense, which is a shock. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:19 | |
If that's the best reason to justify the posts, | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
he is in a fragile position. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:24 | |
Gareth Hughes, even if this person is neutral and balanced, | 0:18:24 | 0:18:31 | |
the public's perception of him is going to raise questions. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:37 | |
Say there is a sensitive inquiry into a quango | 0:18:37 | 0:18:42 | |
and there is a connection with the Commissioner and the quango, | 0:18:42 | 0:18:47 | |
-it is going to raise questions? -We have had recently problems | 0:18:47 | 0:18:53 | |
with the connection between the Labour Party and the charity AWEMA. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:58 | |
There was a link between Labour and people running AWEMA. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:04 | |
If someone had been elected to control the police, | 0:19:04 | 0:19:09 | |
some would argue that this isn't fair. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:16 | |
Are they going to look closely at these problems. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
-Problems like these are bound to arise, aren't they? -Without a doubt. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:23 | |
Some researchers in the Conservative Party have decided | 0:19:23 | 0:19:29 | |
that the American Commissioners was the way to go. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:35 | |
Then they have convinced the party leaders. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:41 | |
The idea is going through without any proper research. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:47 | |
I do urge people to support these commissioners. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
We are going to have these Commissioners but I am very dubious. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:54 | |
I don't think we should bring politics into policing. | 0:19:54 | 0:20:00 | |
It seems Labour is going to do well in the elections. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:04 | |
We might have a monopoly of Commissioners | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
from one party in Wales. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
You wouldn't want Boris Johnson in the Met. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
That is the role, isn't it? | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
I think the police should be responsible for running the police. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:20 | |
But who should be keeping an eye on them, the Police Authority? | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
We shouldn't have political interference in the system. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:30 | |
I am worried about this. I think it will damage the police's image | 0:20:30 | 0:20:36 | |
if it is linked with party politics. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
The police is neutral and that's why the public are willing to help them. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:43 | |
This is the question of transferring policing powers to Cardiff Bay? | 0:20:43 | 0:20:50 | |
If that happened, the Assembly would supervise the police? | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
Yes. I think that Felix is right. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:59 | |
The problem is a person who has been put forward on behalf of a party, | 0:20:59 | 0:21:05 | |
they are under pressure to be in that post. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
The party then has an idea on how much to spend and what to spend on. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:15 | |
When the Anti-Social Behaviour Orders came in, | 0:21:16 | 0:21:20 | |
the Home Office would directly interfere | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
with every police force right across Britain | 0:21:23 | 0:21:28 | |
to get them to use these ASBOs. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:32 | |
I think similar ideas like this will be pushed on to people. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:38 | |
But when the police will be devolved, | 0:21:38 | 0:21:42 | |
and I think it is coming ever nearer because the debate is strengthening, | 0:21:42 | 0:21:48 | |
the Assembly and the Ministers here will be the ones | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
that will be supervising the policing. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:55 | |
What about the fact that this is a way of making the police forces | 0:21:55 | 0:22:00 | |
more answerable to the people of Wales? | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
I don't think it will. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:05 | |
The power to supervise the police should come to Wales. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
It's not likely to come in the near future either. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:13 | |
I think it is silly what the Conservatives have done. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:17 | |
Those who have been elected will say | 0:22:17 | 0:22:22 | |
that they had better have a national political committee | 0:22:22 | 0:22:29 | |
like the WLGA for the Police Commissioners. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:34 | |
They will be telling Westminster they have evidence of doing this. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:41 | |
Maybe this would have worked better during the time | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
when budgets for the policing was increasing? | 0:22:44 | 0:22:50 | |
And you'd would be spending money on more things. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
But the commissioners will have to look for cuts. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:58 | |
This is true. Many people have talked to me about this. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:02 | |
You put another layer of bureaucracy on policing, | 0:23:02 | 0:23:06 | |
it will cost £100,000 a year for these Commissioners | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
and you expect police forces to make cuts. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
Policing should be devolved to Wales. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:17 | |
If it is good enough for the Northern Ireland Parliament, | 0:23:17 | 0:23:21 | |
it is good enough for the Assembly in Wales. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:25 | |
-There are concerns that will be a low turnout? -I think it will be very low. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:30 | |
It will be very low. I had my postal vote two days ago. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
I don't know who to vote for. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
I didn't have any information at all. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:41 | |
9% is the lowest ever, that was opening pubs on Sunday. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:45 | |
-Will it be lower than that? -That is quite an important issue. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
What will be the percentage? | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
No percentage. Everybody on the fence. Many thanks to you all. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
We will be back at the earlier time of 9.30pm next Wednesday. | 0:23:55 | 0:24:00 | |
-Good night. -Good night. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:05 |