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Hello and welcome to Cardiff Bay for half an hour of political discussion. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:24 | |
It has been a difficult time for the BBC, after lost its leader | 0:00:24 | 0:00:28 | |
and maybe even its credibility and the faith of the public. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
What next? | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
But will recent development affect the BBC's reputation with S4C? | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
Also tonight, a brave decision or a gamble? | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
Why does the Plaid Cymru leader want to represent a constituency | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
rather than a region? | 0:00:43 | 0:00:44 | |
Joining us in the Senedd are the Assembly Members | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
Aled Roberts of the Liberal Democrats | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
and Simon Thomas from Plaid Cymru. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
The Labour Party councillor, Huw Thomas | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
and Dr Simon Brooks from Cardiff University. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
Welcome to you all. | 0:00:58 | 0:00:59 | |
What happened at the Bryn Estyn children's home near Wrexham | 0:00:59 | 0:01:03 | |
in the 1970s and 80s has been in the headlines right across Britain | 0:01:03 | 0:01:07 | |
and beyond over the last week. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
Now some of the attention has turned to the BBC | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
and the way the Corporation has reported what happened there. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:17 | |
The Director General has resigned, other managers have stepped aside | 0:01:18 | 0:01:22 | |
and there is a possibility some members of staff will be disciplined. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:26 | |
It is a difficult time for the Corporation | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
to discuss its relationship with S4C. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
Here is Arwyn Jones. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:32 | |
The events of the last weeks have been terribly serious. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:40 | |
They have also been a huge problem for the BBC managers. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:44 | |
The wholly exceptional events of the past few weeks | 0:01:44 | 0:01:48 | |
have led me to conclude that the BBC should appoint a new leader. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:52 | |
With the resignation of the Director General | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
and other possible disciplinary action on the horizon, | 0:01:57 | 0:02:00 | |
these are difficult, dark days for the Corporation. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:02 | |
So it's possible that the the main concern for the BBC Trustees | 0:02:03 | 0:02:07 | |
won't be its relationship with S4C. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
This is the new contract with S4C with the Corporation responsible | 0:02:10 | 0:02:15 | |
for the majority of the channel's money while keeping an arm's length away | 0:02:15 | 0:02:20 | |
from S4C's editorial decisions. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:23 | |
The nature of the relationship has been the subject | 0:02:23 | 0:02:26 | |
of a public consultation which ended three weeks ago. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:30 | |
The Welsh Language Society said it was worried about the one-sided | 0:02:30 | 0:02:35 | |
content towards the BBC in the document in many ways. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:39 | |
They say there is a lack of emphasis in the contract | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
that would ensure S4C can maintain itself as an independent | 0:02:42 | 0:02:46 | |
broadcaster strategically as well as editorially apart from the BBC. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:53 | |
Wales Independent Producers, | 0:02:53 | 0:02:55 | |
which represents the independent television companies, | 0:02:55 | 0:02:59 | |
said they had several concerns. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
They included the BBC's ability to cut or stop S4C's budget | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
in some situations and that it placed huge responsibility | 0:03:05 | 0:03:10 | |
on the BBC Trust. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
A new crisis for Newsnight. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
Tonight, this programme apologises. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
But those aren't the only concerns. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:20 | |
After all the problems within the BBC over the last few days | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
some have been raising other concerns. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
In the discussions I had when I was the Chief Executive of S4C, | 0:03:27 | 0:03:32 | |
we were told that the BBC has huge experience of editing programmes | 0:03:32 | 0:03:38 | |
and of selling programmes abroad, | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
become part of this process. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:44 | |
But now there is a question mark over the credibility of the BBC. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:50 | |
Maybe the BBC and S4C will have to reconsider where they will go | 0:03:50 | 0:03:54 | |
in the situation that will stem from this crisis. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:59 | |
As regards to this relationship, I don't agree with it at all. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
I think it was a mistake from the start. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
But I don't think the current crisis has anything to do with that. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:12 | |
And we have to leave the processes go forward sensibly | 0:04:12 | 0:04:18 | |
and we have to get the best deal for viewers in Wales. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:22 | |
We can have another look at the relationship in a few years time. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:27 | |
You cannot forget the terrible events | 0:04:27 | 0:04:31 | |
which occurred at Bryn Estyn at the heart of this. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
But the way the BBC dealt with those incidents could have | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
far-reaching consequences. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:41 | |
Aled Roberts, what do you make of, | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
not so much the editorial mistakes made by Newsnight, | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
but of what's been done to try and improve the situation since then? | 0:04:50 | 0:04:57 | |
It is important that the main story here is the child abuse. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:04 | |
As one who represents North Wales, we shouldn't lose sight of that. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:08 | |
But it's very difficult to understand what the managers were doing | 0:05:08 | 0:05:13 | |
with regard to the way the story was portrayed from the beginning | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
or how the programme was created. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
After that, were there journalists in North Wales | 0:05:18 | 0:05:23 | |
who dealt with this story 20 years ago? | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
And those people who listened to the whole hearing. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:30 | |
Yes, it's difficult to believe there were people within the BBC | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
involved in this story 20 years ago. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
So I'm wondering whether somebody in London contacted them | 0:05:36 | 0:05:40 | |
to find out what was background to the story. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
If they had information on witnesses in North Wales. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:47 | |
Simon Brooks, unlike the Hutton era, | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
the Government has not stepped into this row, | 0:05:50 | 0:05:54 | |
Downing Street has said there is no existential crisis for the BBC. | 0:05:54 | 0:06:00 | |
Do you agree or is there a question mark about | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
the future of the Corporation? | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
I'm sure some members of Conservative Party | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
would like to see the BBC strangle itself. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
Maybe that's something to do with it. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:15 | |
But for me, the situation is very ironic. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:21 | |
There were serious management problems within S4C | 0:06:21 | 0:06:26 | |
and S4C paid the ultimate price for that, | 0:06:26 | 0:06:31 | |
it was abolished as an independent broadcaster. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
It's impossible to pay a higher price. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
Since that happened, we have seen two crisis | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
and two scandals to do with the media in London, | 0:06:40 | 0:06:45 | |
within the tabloid press and Mr Murdoch and now within the BBC. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:50 | |
At a very high level. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
Do you expect the BBC to pay the same price? | 0:06:52 | 0:06:57 | |
No, I don't think Al-Jazeera will take over the BBC. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
I don't see that happening. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
But here in Wales, we should be aware | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
of the irony of what's happened. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
It underlines how unfair it was what happened to S4C. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:13 | |
The answer for the crisis in S4C was to remove the staff | 0:07:13 | 0:07:17 | |
who had erred from their positions. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
I think that was the correct decision there, | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
not that the Corporation will lose its independence. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
But now I think we need a mature discussion in Wales | 0:07:25 | 0:07:29 | |
about how we ensure that S4C is as independent as possible | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
within the current framework. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
Simon Thomas, the fact that all these structures are being discussed, | 0:07:35 | 0:07:40 | |
the BBC is under attack, | 0:07:40 | 0:07:44 | |
that opens up issues like the devolution of broadcasting. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:48 | |
That's right. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:49 | |
It opens up the debate that broadcasting in Wales | 0:07:49 | 0:07:53 | |
is in the hands of one corporation. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
That is a danger for anyone who wants to see | 0:07:55 | 0:08:00 | |
more comments being made, | 0:08:00 | 0:08:02 | |
who want to see independence in that sector. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
It's important we concentrate on S4C's ability to be independent from | 0:08:05 | 0:08:09 | |
the BBC or at least to have an independent editorial | 0:08:09 | 0:08:13 | |
and strategic voice apart from the BBC. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:18 | |
Safeguarding the Welsh language is very important to S4C | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
and that's not something the BBC has always concentrated on. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:26 | |
What about the devolution of broadcasting? | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
I'm not sure. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
What is important is ensuring that the good things the BBC does | 0:08:35 | 0:08:42 | |
are not lost in this mess. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
What's been put in place between S4C and the BBC in Wales | 0:08:45 | 0:08:49 | |
I think that's the best thing that could have happened | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
in that situation. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
But what we are seeing now, generally, is that almost | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
all of our establishments in this country, | 0:08:59 | 0:09:04 | |
whether it be in Wales or Britain, | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
are under a wave of cynicism now from the public. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:11 | |
The political scandal expenses, the media, the BBC. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:16 | |
Will it affect our public lives? | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
The fact that we can bring these establishments to account | 0:09:20 | 0:09:26 | |
is a good thing in our society. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:28 | |
The fact that any establishment, no matter how powerful, | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
is open to this scrutiny. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:33 | |
It's a pity these things have happened. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
I'm wondering how much of this is a pay-back to the BBC | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
after they won the lead in the Leveson Inquiry. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:44 | |
Simon Brooks, you have made it clear that you think S4C | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
has been hard done by, | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
are you calling for the relationship to be looked at again? | 0:09:49 | 0:09:55 | |
That political decision has been made. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:59 | |
I think we have to look at how we can restrict the damage. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:03 | |
I would want to avoid this idea that the BBC | 0:10:03 | 0:10:08 | |
and S4C move into the same building. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:11 | |
I think that creates an atmosphere where everyone | 0:10:11 | 0:10:16 | |
lives in the same bowl, in the same fish bowl. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
It would save money? | 0:10:21 | 0:10:22 | |
I think it would be incredible if S4C moved from Cardiff, | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
put some geographic distance between S4C and the BBC. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:30 | |
We need to have serious discussions now | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
to ensure that within the strict framework we have, | 0:10:32 | 0:10:37 | |
we can't change the framework, but S4C needs to keep its identity. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:41 | |
Huw, you're shaking your head. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
-Cardiff is the capital of Wales... -You're a Cardiff councillor! | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
I've also got the culture remit. Cardiff is the capital of Wales. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:52 | |
It is unthinkable that S4C would not be in the capital. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
Do you want the relationship to be reconsidered? | 0:10:55 | 0:10:59 | |
No, I think S4C was wronged two or three years ago | 0:10:59 | 0:11:03 | |
but I don't think this Newsnight business is a reason to rethink it. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
The agreement has been made and there has been | 0:11:06 | 0:11:10 | |
a lot of discussion between S4C and the BBC on the way forward. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
We have to see that it works now. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
The next step for broadcasting is devolution in my opinion. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
I don't think we need to rethink this relationship. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
Aled, should broadcasting be devolved? | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
There is an argument for that. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:26 | |
We have always been in favour, | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
but it's obvious people in London are against it. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
There is no willingness to discuss it at the moment | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
from the British Government. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:38 | |
S4C has been under the spotlight, the BBC is under pressure, | 0:11:38 | 0:11:43 | |
nobody is discussing ITV and Philip Schofield | 0:11:43 | 0:11:47 | |
giving that list of names to the Prime Minister. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:52 | |
But the difference is public money. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
Has the bar in the public world been raised too high? | 0:11:55 | 0:12:02 | |
No, I agree with Huw. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:04 | |
I think it's important that in an open society | 0:12:04 | 0:12:08 | |
we are scrutinised as public servants. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
I do see inconsistencies in the way the BBC has been dealt with | 0:12:11 | 0:12:18 | |
and the fact that directors and Philip Schofield on the programme... | 0:12:18 | 0:12:23 | |
Well, I wasn't ready to accept what he did. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:30 | |
But they don't use licence money. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
There are still standards in all forms of broadcast. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:37 | |
But, Simon, the BBC has its critics which is fair at the moment. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:45 | |
But it also has its enemies. And the enemies are after blood here. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:51 | |
Some people want to split the BBC up into two corporations and weaken it. | 0:12:56 | 0:13:00 | |
The fact that the BBC is active on many levels. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:05 | |
There is an argument about that, maybe the BBC has become too big. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:11 | |
But 18 month ago I was fighting to keep Six Music on the radio, | 0:13:11 | 0:13:17 | |
and S4C and Radio Cymru. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
It's important that we put it in context. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:24 | |
I think the BBC are expected to behave better than ITV. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:28 | |
The only people who revealed the name of this person is ITV | 0:13:28 | 0:13:32 | |
on a card over the table to Cameron. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:36 | |
It's been a big week for the Plaid Cymru leader Leanne Wood, | 0:13:36 | 0:13:40 | |
she reached an agreement with the Government about the budgets | 0:13:40 | 0:13:44 | |
and there was an announcement about her future. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
She won't try and regain her regional seat. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:51 | |
It is certainly a risk, | 0:13:51 | 0:13:53 | |
but is Leanne Wood's decision a brave one or a foolish one? | 0:13:53 | 0:13:57 | |
Bethan Lewis reports. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
I can announce that the new leader of Plaid Cymru is Leanne Wood. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:05 | |
The eight months since she was elected leader have been stable | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
for Leanne Wood. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:14 | |
No huge crisis and nothing to light the imagination. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:19 | |
But she says she wants to offer real leadership | 0:14:19 | 0:14:23 | |
when she announced that she is going to stand in a constituency seat, | 0:14:23 | 0:14:27 | |
instead of on the regional list in 2016. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:32 | |
I want to see every child, woman and man to have the chance to succeed. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:37 | |
If that is to happen, Wales needs new leadership. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:42 | |
That is behind my decision. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
The next big decision will be choosing a constituency. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:50 | |
That is one for the members, she says, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
but there is speculation. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:55 | |
Plaid Cymru succeeded in the valleys in 1999. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
And maybe a seat in this area would be a natural choice. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
But Plaid Cymru are over 6,500 votes behind Labour in the Rhonda. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:07 | |
Winning in Islwyn, Caerphilly, or beyond the valleys in Neath | 0:15:07 | 0:15:12 | |
would be very ambitious says the person who stood in a constituency | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
and lost. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:21 | |
I admire her decision. I did the same thing. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:26 | |
And I'm sure I did the right thing. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
If you're a member of a political party | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
and you believe in the principles of that party, | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
then it's only right that you put yourself forward | 0:15:36 | 0:15:41 | |
for people to elect you. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:43 | |
The leader has set a challenge for other members in Plaid Cymru. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:49 | |
One member suggests that established members | 0:15:49 | 0:15:54 | |
should fight it out in the constituencies. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:59 | |
I'll do whatever will contribute to Plaid Cymru | 0:16:02 | 0:16:08 | |
winning the most votes in the Assembly. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
It's a matter for the electorate committee in Carmarthen East, | 0:16:11 | 0:16:16 | |
Dinefwr and the party centrally. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
I'm ready to do what I can to respond to the challenge. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:27 | |
But one member is not happy with the decision. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:34 | |
It's like she is in the last chance saloon. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
It's not the last chance salon. You have to ask why she is doing it. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:43 | |
Is she fed up of being a leader already? | 0:16:43 | 0:16:47 | |
We will hear in the Spring in what seat she will stand. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:52 | |
And it will give Leanne Wood three years to campaign to try | 0:16:52 | 0:16:56 | |
and change the political map. | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
-Simon Thomas, is it brave or foolish? -It's brave. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:06 | |
But it is about changing the political map. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
If we're going to get into government here, | 0:17:10 | 0:17:15 | |
we have to win more constituencies, we have to break new ground. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:20 | |
There is nothing better than the leader | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
putting her credibility on the line and showing leadership. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:27 | |
I can see the idea behind it, but the timing is odd. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:31 | |
Three and a half years before the election | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
who knows what the political climate will be there? | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
I agree with Simon, I think it is brave, | 0:17:37 | 0:17:41 | |
even if you disagree with her politically, | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
you have to acknowledge that. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
The timing is odd in the sense that the politics | 0:17:48 | 0:17:52 | |
in the next Assembly will be influenced | 0:17:52 | 0:17:57 | |
by what happens in Scotland. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:01 | |
-And the next general election. -Yes, | 0:18:01 | 0:18:05 | |
but more by what happens in Scotland. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:09 | |
In Scotland decides to become independent, | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
you can understand Leanne Wood then feeling she has to try and grab | 0:18:11 | 0:18:16 | |
this opportunity historically to lead the nation wards independence. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:24 | |
But why make that decision now instead of in 2014? | 0:18:24 | 0:18:30 | |
Aled Roberts, as a regional list member, what do you think? | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
Does it make you feel a little bit inadequate? | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
That question has been raised. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:42 | |
I think there is a role for regional members, | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
if you believe in a proportional system. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
I'm ready to defend that. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:52 | |
But what is interesting is whether it's brave or not, | 0:18:52 | 0:18:57 | |
it depends on which constituency is picked. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:02 | |
If she moves into a constituency in North Wales, | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
it won't make a difference. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
She has to stand in the valleys. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:11 | |
The aim of this is to increase the number of Plaid Cymru members. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:16 | |
That has to do with Leanne Wood's character. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
Plaid Cymru believes some of these regional marginal seats | 0:19:19 | 0:19:23 | |
are radical but some are Conservative. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
Aberconwy, Anglesey, Carmarthen West. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:30 | |
That is not where Leanne Wood will shine. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:32 | |
Will the Labour Party be ready for her in the valleys? | 0:19:32 | 0:19:38 | |
I think Labour will look forward too the battle. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:44 | |
We have to wait and see where she stands. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:49 | |
It will also be up to the Plaid Cymru members in seat, | 0:19:49 | 0:19:53 | |
so she can't be presumptuous about where she will be selected. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:59 | |
But the truth is Plaid Cymru will select this seat and campaign | 0:19:59 | 0:20:05 | |
for that three years and put a lot of their resources into that seat, | 0:20:05 | 0:20:11 | |
so you could match them, because your resources | 0:20:11 | 0:20:17 | |
will be poured in as well in the same way as Rhuanedd Richards | 0:20:17 | 0:20:21 | |
will pour in resources for the Plaid Cymru campaign. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:27 | |
Of course we will do that, | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
but we will also look to win seats in West Wales as well. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:34 | |
The Labour Party represents people all around Wales. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:39 | |
Simon Thomas, what about this idea of moving the big guns | 0:20:39 | 0:20:43 | |
out of safest seat and bringing fresh names in? | 0:20:43 | 0:20:47 | |
I think there will be a discussion about that over the next few months. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:52 | |
Leanne Wood says she wants to see this happening | 0:20:52 | 0:20:56 | |
over the next six to nine months. | 0:20:56 | 0:21:00 | |
Every party is guilty of this and we have left things too late | 0:21:00 | 0:21:05 | |
before an election, before deciding strategically where people will go. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:11 | |
Maybe this is too soon, but when is the right time? | 0:21:11 | 0:21:15 | |
I admire what you have done in Plaid Cymru | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
because in places like Catalonia and Scotland, | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
something has changed. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
If Scotland does vote in favour of independence, | 0:21:24 | 0:21:29 | |
I don't doubt that Plaid Cymru's vote will increase. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:33 | |
If that's the case, some of those seats in the valleys are winnable. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:39 | |
Aled, we heard from Nerys Evans that there was another member, | 0:21:39 | 0:21:45 | |
Jonathan Morgan, who won the first time, but lost last time. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:50 | |
If he had stayed on the list, | 0:21:50 | 0:21:54 | |
he would be the Conservative leader here today. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:58 | |
So there are dangers with this. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:02 | |
There are personal choices to be made. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:06 | |
I would agree with you, two years is a long time in politics. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:11 | |
It will depend on what happens with the economy as well. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:16 | |
I think there is also a question about where Plaid Cymru | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
go with their policies. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
In North Wales, there's a decision between traditional nationalism | 0:22:22 | 0:22:27 | |
and a more social approach. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:31 | |
There are also dangers of staying on the list. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:37 | |
It raises questions about the system we have in Wales. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:43 | |
We have to look at it. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:45 | |
If someone on the list can't represent their constituency, | 0:22:45 | 0:22:50 | |
we need more fist past the post members. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:55 | |
That would suit the Labour Party. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
Who sets up a system that favours their party? That never happens!! | 0:22:59 | 0:23:05 | |
Adam Price is also being mentioned, | 0:23:05 | 0:23:11 | |
but he would want a constituency, wouldn't he? | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
Maybe, or he could stand on the list. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:19 | |
I don't think you have to be in a constituency | 0:23:19 | 0:23:23 | |
to be an equal member of the Assembly. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
But I think as a leader, it is an excellent thing for Leanne Wood, | 0:23:26 | 0:23:30 | |
because I think her leadership has been a bit flat so far. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:34 | |
So it is an opportunity for her to reinvent herself. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:38 | |
She hasn't been in the job long enough to reinvent herself yet. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:45 | |
But it has pleased you? | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
I think she is being brave and it is better that she has done it. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
Thank you for your company tonight. That is it for now. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:57 | |
-We're back next Wednesday. until then, goodbye. -Goodbye. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:04 |