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Hello and welcome to the Daily Politics. Britain is basking in

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autumn sunshine and Tory ministers are showing a bit of leg ahead of

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their party conference. They are saying that the speed limits on our

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motorways could go up to 80 miles an hour. That will please Mondeo

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Man! But the green lobby is angry, saying carbon emissions will soar.

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We are also told the weekly bin collection is back. There will be

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extra money for councils if they take our rubbish away every seven

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days. So, are fortnightly collections a thing of the past?

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Meanwhile, Adam is on his travels, almost exactly half way across the

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Irish Sea. I am in the Isle of Man for the island's slightly less

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famous race - the general election And with me throughout today's

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programme, Kevin Maguire of the Daily Mirror and Rachel Sylvester

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of the Times. We are just looking ahead to the Tory conference. It

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has already started, hasn't it? When you think there are huge

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things going on that the economic crisis, the eurozone in meltdown. I

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think they will have to come up with a bit more. It will set the

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agenda of the weekend. Ministers will hope they are popular.

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Rachel says, is it also an indication they have not got any

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money? They have to do this populist thing that does not cost

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any money. Is there anything else left in the magic box? They are

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talking rubbish before they meet in Manchester. Both very populist

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issues. I believe with them on both. It is fair to deflect the attention

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from austerity and the fact they do not like the Liberal Democrats.

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Europe has to rear its head. This Conservative Party is as Euro-

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sceptic as it was. You can see them frothing at the mouth. What an

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image! If this is window-dressing, what do you think will be the

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messages from David Cameron and George Osborne? They need to come

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up with a package on growth. We have interviewed Philip Hammond. He

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is saying it is good for business and good for growth. The Transport

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Department is an economic department. I'm not sure how you

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get bins into Kriss Akabusi. There is no Plan B but there is a gross

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in Plan A. -- growth. The pressure is building internationally from

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the IMF and others. This plant is not working. -- plan. How can a

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shift and do something else when they say it our original plan is

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right? How can you do that while shifting? It is a tricky position.

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They want to take credit for responding to the growing economic

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crisis but they do not want to say they were wrong. They cannot do

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that because they do not want to lose credibility. George Osborne is

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a politician. He is good at strategy. He will have an icon what

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the opinion polls are saying and what people are feeling. -- an eye

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on. He is feeling the pressure, when you look at him. He has aged

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visibly. We were talking about this a few days ago. I'll do it under a

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lot of pressure or are they relax because there is no real challenge

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from Labour? -- are they under a lot of pressure? They have not got

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that much political pressure. have the Liberal Democrats on board.

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They can see those figures. They are terrified of the double-dip

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recession because they will get the blame. That could change the whole

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political atmosphere. Will there be aid David Cameron moment? He will

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make a point of mentioning Margaret Thatcher. He will emphasise it.

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internal government battles go, this one was supposed to have been

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an epic! It will, no doubt, come to be known as the Battle of the Bins.

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And now, it seems, we have a winner. Today, the Local Government

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Secretary, Eric Pickles, is trumpeting the return of the weekly

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bin collection. More than half the local authorities in England no

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longer pick up the remains of your chicken tikka masala every seven

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days - something Mr Pickles once declared the basic right of every

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Englishman. Weekly collections had been around since 1875 but they

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started to disappear under the last government, for reasons of cost and

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in order to encourage recycling. The Tories fought the last election

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promising to bring them back with householders complaining of

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horrible smells, fly-tipping and rats. But back in June, the

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Environment Secretary, Caroline Spelman, stepped in. She said this

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would all cost far too much, at least �130 million a year. And

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things rapidly got a bit unpleasant. Why don't you spend less time

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speaking to your officials and more time listening to the electorate?,

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Mr Pickles apparently said. And the two ministers stopped speaking. So

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today we hear that 250 million of new money has been found down the

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back of a sofa somewhere. Weekly bin collections are back. The

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horrid smells and rats are banished. And the worries about extra costs

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are simply rubbish. Or are they? And joining us is the Local

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Government Minister, Bob Neill. Was Caroline Spelman wrong when she

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said weakly bin collections cost too much? You have been listening

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to too much Westminster gossip. They have been working jointly on

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it right the way through. Both of them supported the announcement

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that we said we would have a review and where Catt a way to go with

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local authorities to encourage them to bring back weekly bin

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collections. -- work out. Are you really trying to tell me and tell

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the viewers that there has been no rift over this? It is a

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departmental victory for Eric Pickles. It is in the nature of

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journalists... And it is in the nature of politicians... It is a

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case of two government ministers working well together. We have been

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making economies consistently in the running cost of our departments.

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It is savings within our current budgets. We can use them for an

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initiative which will be very popular with people. Nothing wrong

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with that. It will make a difference to the quality of

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service. Why don't you let local councils decide what to do? It

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flies in the face of your localism strategy. That is what we are doing.

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We are letting local councils decide. Eric Pickles has already

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said, we will encourage them, otherwise there will suffer at the

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ballot box, to bring back weekly bin collections. Encouraging is not

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the same as telling. Under the previous government, local councils

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were being very directly financially penalised if they did

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not go down a one size fits all model. We are saying we do not want

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to have a financial obstacle to going back to weekly collections,

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if that is what you and your residents think is the right thing.

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We are giving them the choice. All the evidence suggests that most

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people particularly want the smelly stuff taken away on his weekly

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basis. I think they will listen to the electorate when it comes to

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election time. Why not just give them the money? Let them make the

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decision about where they would like to spend part of that �250

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million, if they want to spend it on mental health strategy, why

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don't you do that? The department has been able to provide some money

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and we are determined we are keeping a promise. That is a shop

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with some politicians. We made a promise we will find a means of

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helping local authorities to move back to more weekly collections

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where they thought it appropriate. That is what we are doing.

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Government made such a big deal about saying, we will distance

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ourselves from decisions being made at a local level. They are

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dictating from the top. It is populist and popular as well. He

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kept the great straight face when he said there were no rows between

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Eric Pickles and Caroline Spelman. Can anyone afford to buy anything

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to put in the rubbish anyway? It is popular. I hope the sums are being

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done right. If it is �250,000,000.18000000 households do

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not get weekly collections, it means about �30. Can you get an

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extra 26 collections out of that? think you can if you use it

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cleverly. The median cost of four likely as opposed to weekly, it

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does not cost any more. A lot of councils are caught in clever

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contracts. Part of the tests is, are you going to encourage

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recycling and get better value for money? Can I just clarify? When you

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talk about weekly bin collections might have come up all the rubbish

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or you collect the main rubbish but all the recycling is still done on

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a fortnightly basis? What we're saying is they should have the

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opportunity to go back to weekly. That should vary from place to

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place. Her all the rubbish? It will be a local decision. If you think

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about it, the City of Westminster has a huge volume of rubbish. They

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collect the rubbish several times a week. In my area, like cures, they

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take fruits double wave weakly. -- like yours, they'd take the rubbish

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away weekly. Most of these councils will be Tory councils who want the

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fortnightly collections. They are going to tell them when Tory

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councils what to do. Want to make of it? There is a wider thing about

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localism. -- what do you make of it? You realise you will get the

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blame for every local decision. You realise the idea of letting

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everything go and letting people make the decisions is a nightmare

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if you are going to take responsibility. It is going to come

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across on other issues as well. They need to control it from the

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centre. What if local councils make the wrong decision?! Are you saying

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that on some issues you're stepping in because the timing is good? You

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keep -- you need something to give to your party faithful.

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understand the point from Rachel. It is very much compatible with

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localism. We are reversing the situation we inherited from the

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previous government. They were marked down if they did not move to

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fortnightly collections. They were being obliged through various

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directives which were being scrapped. We scrapped a lot of the

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directives which said to have to move to smaller been sizes and

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fining people -- bin. What about rows and rows of unattractive

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wheelie bins being left out? thing we're keen to use this money

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for is to encourage new technologies. One particular

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technology is about the Cannich ingestion. In one of The bin, it

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gets taken away to separate the recyclable things from the non

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recyclable. You are still going to get these things. At the moment

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local authorities do not have any incentive to move away from that.

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The technology needs to be there were one bin takes the lot. It is

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said to be another dad get in the heart of local decision-making.

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think they ought to be listening to the electorate. In Windsor and

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Maidenhead they have done it locally. Recycling has gone up 35%.

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We will see you at conference no doubt. So, did you stay up all of

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last night for the results of the most nail-biting general election

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in a generation? Don't worry, you have not fallen in to some weird

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time warp. Our neighbours on the yesterday. We sent Adam to

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# This is my island in the sun... Besides motorbikes and low taxes,

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what do you know about the Isle of Man? It is a British Crown

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dependency, like the Channel Islands. That means the united

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Kingdom is responsible for defence and foreign affairs. The government

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here is responsible for pretty much everything else. You will notice

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from their own money that the Queen is still head of state. This week

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we have had election fever here. More than 60 candidates have been

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competing for 24 seats here at the oldest parliament in the world.

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This is our parliament, which was established in 979. This is the

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lower house. What is different from Westminster is that here, they do

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not really do political parties. Most members are independent.

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all about size. How our Yes. Works is because it is small. You could

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not do it in a very large Parliament, like Westminster. Here,

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it is very small, the constituency is small, generally. Which means

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campaigns tend to be small, with friends and family mucking in.

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just giving moral support. My uncle is running. My uncle is running as

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well. Pieces of paper going through the post or delivered through

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letterboxes, but more often than not, it is family who do it.

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this fairly new party is rolling in with the island's first ever battle

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bus. They have 10 candidates, and they want to break open a system

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which they think is a bit too insular. The problem is, going back

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to what it was when I was a youngster, as far as, it is not

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what you know, it is who you know. It is the patronage of so many

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aspects, as far as I have seen. There have been some changes,

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though. This young man can cast a ballot because five years ago, the

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Ireland gave the vote to 16- to 17- year-olds. That was quick. Yes, it

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is a bit intimidating, but apart from that it was all right. I think

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it is about time that the franchise was extended to our age group.

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Because at 16, you do start to get that interest in politics. And what

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was the biggest issue at the hustings? Us. The British

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Government as we negotiated an agreement to share revenues from

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VAT, which means the island is facing cuts of more than �100

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million a year. All the results are coming in, and if you want to know

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which candidates got in to the parliament on the Isle of Man, then

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go to the website. The members will decide which one of them becomes

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the chief minister next month. Earlier, we were talking about

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bringing back weekly bin collections. The other hot

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political story this morning, ahead of the Tory conference, is the news

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that ministers are planning to raise the speed limit on motorways

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in England and Wales to 80mph. I don't know if that means we will

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have to slam on the brakes as we crossed the border to Scotland.

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Starting with you, Sean O'Grady, where is the evidence that this

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will actually have significant economic benefits? You just have to

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think about it. If you're late for a meeting, if an important

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component for a factory is late, or stocks for a supermarket, that

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causes economic damage. The faster the goods move around the economy,

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the more the economy generates income and wealth. Will it make

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that much of the difference? It may well do, if you fall very late for

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a meeting or a flight or something like that, it could well make a big

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difference. But isn't safety the key here? Depending on the figures,

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for example, Brake say there will be 10% more casualties. They claim

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that, but nobody actually knows. The general trend in road

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casualties in the UK and Europe I think is favourably downwards, and

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in Germany, on the autobahn, I think they have a lower rate of tax.

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The statistics we have got say the opposite, they say there are twice

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as many fatalities in Germany, the same as France, compared with us.

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The it is important that technology has overtaken the speed limit. Cars

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nowadays are built to do far more than 70mph. In 1965, when it was

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brought in, hardly any were capable of doing that speed. But now, they

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are capable of doing it, and doing it safely. You have got can --

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cruise control, regulating the distance from the current front.

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These safety features were not in existence in 1965. Are you

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convinced by these safety arguments? I am not a safety expert,

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I do not know. Let us hear these arguments, if they have got them.

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Appraisal of road schemes used to be done on archaic and silly

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assumptions, and this decision seems to be done on the same basis.

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Basically, those rules would say, if you have got a barrel of oil,

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Burnet, it is good for the economy. Well, we are now importing oil, and

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every extra gallon burnt on the motorways is something we will have

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to import. We will have to do so either from unstable regimes or

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from places where it is quite difficult to get it out. This is

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why we think it is a bad decision, not the safety, we do not know

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about safety at Greenpeace, but what we do know about is the

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environment. Why would we want to try and make it worse, carbon

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emissions? Speed and the environment are now the coupled,

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because of new technology. If you take electric cars, for example...

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You get the electricity from wind power or nuclear power, it is

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completely green, no matter what speed they go at. Cars are far

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cleaner and more economical and environmentally friendly than ever

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before. Sure, the direction of travel is towards cleaner cars,

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which is great. But if we're going to be predominantly dependent on

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the internal combustion engine for another decade, possibly two, the

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figures are roughly that going at 80mph compared with the money, you

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will burn 20% more fuel. More research says that if you just

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enforce the existing speed limit, then you get about a million tonnes

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of carbon saving. When you put that through... And you criminalise half

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the drivers on the motorway. We do not say that because loads of

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people are using drugs, we should decriminalise them. On drugs and

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Speed, that is probably not true, actually. I do not see any evidence

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that this government is looking to treat -- to decriminalise drugs.

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The point I'm trying to make is about whether this is a good

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decision in the current context, and whether government should be

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setting standards of performance and behaviour which contributes to

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a good society, in the round. And this is a bad decision. That is the

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key, it is it a good decision in the current context? If you look to

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the future, in the end, might it be a decision with foresight, really?

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The law has to keep up with the reality. Philip Hammond's most

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persuasive point is that more than half of drivers actually go at

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80mph. In Denmark, when they raised the speed limit by 10mph, in fact,

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the speed only went up by 2.5mph, because people were already going

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at that speed. But will it not make it de facto 90mph? They say not.

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The police could decide not to raise that higher. And most people

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actually drive at a level which they believe to be saved, I think.

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It is not really to do with technology or business or the

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environment. It is personal behaviour? People will not drive a

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huge amount faster. Is this going to be a fight between two

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departments, the transport department, and the Department for

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Environment, Food and Rural Affairs? It could be, but I think

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David Cameron has come a long way since he was trying to put

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windmills on his house. The Department of Transport will win,

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because it will be popular. There are drivers in cars which are safer,

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cleaner and on nice clear roads in good weather, and they're having to

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go along at 70mph. Are you were read you have lost this argument?

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Well, it is not about being popular. It is about being responsible.

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Weariness situation where we have a carbon budget, a legally-binding

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carbon budget. If we increase the emissions from roads, we have got

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to decrease them from other areas. If you increase the emissions from

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cars, which you do not have to do, he did not have to do this, you

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have got to reduce it from somewhere else. Why don't we all

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just get her horse and carts? have got to thank our guests are

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very much for coming in. Before we go, let's have a quick speed

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With the country basking in an Indian summer, it was Labour's turn

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to shine at their party conference. Ed Balls was in bullish form the

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football field. But the Balmy weather must have affected his mood,

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as he apologised for Labour's failure to regulate the banks. But

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what of Ed Miliband? There was plenty of red meet for the left of

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the party in his speech, as he attacked predator businesses. But

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he seemed keen to emphasise who he wasn't. I'm not Tony Blair. Have

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they already forgotten who won them three elections? Away from

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conference, the eurozone crisis rumbled on. Angela Merkel won a

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crucial vote in the Bundestag. In Liverpool, a reminder that it is

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tough at the top. How could eight macro be expected to remember the

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name of the front runner to become Labour leader in a little country

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called Scotland? Ken Macintosh, yes. There for the grace of God go I.

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Just quickly, intelligence on Shadow Cabinet reshuffle? Either he

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does it in the next 10 days, during the Tory conference or just after.

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Who would you like to see? I think Rachel Reeves has done very well,

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Tristram Hunt has done very well. Some of the new MPs I think he

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should promote. This is the stage at which he has still got a few

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years till the election, so he could experiment. Yes, but you want

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a bit of momentum. I thought he took a step forward at his

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conference, but not a big step. He needs to be doing better,

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unquestionably. So, get that team together, and hope it works. You do

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not want to experiment too much. Next week, what will they be doing,

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do you think, in the Shadow Cabinet, trying to think of ways to get the

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attention of the electorate? think they should not worry about

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next week. They have had their week in the sun. When Parliament comes

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back, then they should think about what to do. Do you think they were

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cheering in Tory Central Office when that speech was going on?

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actually. It was idealistic but there was the risk of looking

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really naive. How do you differentiate between good business

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and bad business? It is the argument, don't give the

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corporation tax cuts to banks, who wrecked the economy, give it to

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manufacturing, people who make things. But he had not thought it

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through, it was difficult for Labour people to come up with

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specific examples on the spot. Maybe you need to give them some

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coaching. I have got enough problems. That's all for this week.

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Don't forget to watch Jon Sopel and The Politics Show on Sunday, when

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he will be speaking to the chairman of the Tory Party, head of their

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conference. Andrew and myself will be back next week. Just time for

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one last look at one other highlight from the Labour

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