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Morning, folks - welcome to The Daily Politics. David Cameron says

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no to repatriation of powers - saving the euro and protecting the

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City of London are his priorities. But has he shown enough steel to

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convince his eurosceptic MPs? As the dispute continues over public

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sector pensions, is the Government going to act on the taxpayer-funded

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union reps that have become known as pilgrims? Hard-playing rugby

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player Ben Cohen on why the rough stuff should be confined to the

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rugby pitch. It is cruel and unnecessary, and I'm here to do

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know some of our hard-working MPs watch Strictly Come Dancing and the

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X factor if. How do I know? They All that coming up in the next 90

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minutes. Now, we had promised you Iain Duncan Smith today - but after

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briefly turning up the volume at the weekend, it appears the self-

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styled quiet man has been muted - the official excuse is that he had

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a meeting to go to this afternoon. Never mind, because we have one of

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IDS's deputies, Pensions Minister Chris Grayling, and Labour's Shadow

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Treasury Minister, Rachel Reeves. We like to think of them as

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Westminster's cuddlier answer to pandas Tian Tian and Yang Guang. We

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called the pounds to check on the pronunciation, by the way. Welcome

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to the programme. First this morning, it looks like a plan of

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sorts is emerging to deal with the eurozone crisis ahead of a summit

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of European leaders in Brussels which begins tomorrow - the seventh

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such summit this year. The plan being put together by the President

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of the European Council, Herman Van Rompuy, apparently involves a

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"fiscal compact" in the shape of either a new treaty or merely a

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change in the protocols of existing treaties which would avoid

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referendums or votes in the parliaments of member countries -

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votes which could be problematic, not least in Britain. You wouldn't

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really want to consult the people, would you? A good general chooses

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would you? A good general chooses his battles carefully, and David

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Cameron must now decide where to plant his standard on Europe. The

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Conservative army of eurosceptics want their leader to fight to

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repatriate powers over fisheries and employment regulations. But the

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Prime Minister has said that this is not the time, despite his

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manifesto commitment. Instead he said his mission is to save the

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euro. But he warned his EU partners that this didn't mean he lacked

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steel. He will stand firm against any measures which harm the single

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market or the money men of the City of London. The Prime Minister's

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stance will find favour with his allies and lieutenants, such as

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Nick Clegg and Ken Clarke, who has said today that this was not the

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time to extract concessions. But will Cameron be able to placate his

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own mutinous footsoldiers? A full- blown treaty change - of all 27

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states, rather than a change of protocol - would require a change

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in the law and a vote in the House of Commons. And that could see a

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peasants' revolt. Remember the Battle of Maastricht? Let's speak

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to eurosceptic Conservative MP Chris Heaton Harris. He's in the

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Chris Heaton Harris. He's in the central lobby of Parliament. What I

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your demands from the Prime Minister? Actually, I do not hear

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many Conservative MPs asking for specifics at this moment. We just

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want assurances. Should there be a change to the treaty of the 27,

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then there will be two or three months where the treaty is lined up,

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and we must be allowed to get involved in that negotiation, to

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work out whether we one some powers coming back to us. So, you would

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like to see some repatriation of powers? David Cameron has just

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spoken about safeguards for the City - would that be enough I have

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got to wait till Friday, because I'm not convinced that it is going

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to be as bad as lots of the media commentators are making out.

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think actually there is a very good chance that the French and Germans

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will be helping us to help them. I do not want to get in the way of

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them sorting out the eurozone crisis. But equally, I do think

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there is a general understanding that politics in Britain is

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demanding that we get much more involved. But you have to be much

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more so for terrific - what would you like to see in terms of

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repatriation? Struggling much more specific. It sounds from what

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you're saying that safeguarding the City would be enough. You and I

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both do not know what will be decided on Friday. At the moment,

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it could be a protocol, as Mr Van Rompuy might like. Would you be

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happy about that? Protocols can have a huge amount of influence. I

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have been a member of parliament for 10 years. I would be up for

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that. It could be a treaty of the 17, it could be a treaty of the 27,

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it could be something just involving two or three states, no-

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one knows. I'm not hedging, but everybody is speculating until

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Friday. On the protocol issue, are you saying you do not mind if

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Parliament does not have a say in terms of approving whatever is

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agreed? No, I'm saying that protocols have been very useful to

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Britain in the past. We have had protocols on the currency, for

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example. That is exactly where I would like to see more business

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than, protocols can be very helpful Joining us now from Brussels is the

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Lib Dem chief whip in the European parliament, Chris Davies, and

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Rachel and Chris are still here. Chris Davies, you're at the heart

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of things, in Brussels, what do you think is going to happen? Is it

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going to be treated changes, a new treaty, or simply is everything

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going to be done by protocols? must remember, most importantly, it

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is going to be done by consensus. That leaves David Cameron playing a

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bit of a week and, frankly. Can we come on to this in a minute? I

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would appreciate it, even if only out of courtesy, if you answered my

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question. Very simply, I think it is going to be done by protocol. I

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think Chris Heaton Harris was correct. If you read what Mr Van

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Rompuy has said in the papers today, it is all about a protocol which

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will affect basically the 17 countries within the eurozone, and

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not those outside. So, David Cameron would be on perfectly good

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ground to say that this would not require a referendum in the UK. If

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it does require approval, and I assume it will, then it can be done

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by the House of Commons and the House of Lords. Are you saying that

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it will only affect the 17 in the eurozone, that the other 10 will

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not be involved? I have read the paper this morning, and all the

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talk is of a protocol. I think that steers around the issue of whether

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there is going to be a transfer of sovereignty from the UK. It is not,

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the whole point is to strengthen the eurozone, not to try and

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transfer powers either way. Why are you placing so much emphasis on

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what Mr Van Rompuy thinks, as opposed to the Germans, who, so far,

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have not talk about a protocol? First of all, I suppose, because

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van Rompuy represents all the smaller nations. We hear a lot

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about Angela Merkel and Sarkozy, but there's 15 other countries,

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many of them very small, within the eurozone, and the President of the

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council has to stand up for them. When they all finally get around

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the table, then I suspect the small countries will want a say. I'm sure

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they will. Chris Grayling, so, we're going to have major changes

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in Europe, they are going to be done through the back door, which

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is basically what the Protocol system is, and once again, no

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referendum - happy with that? see what happens on Friday. I have

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been very clear, as was David Cameron this morning, that we have

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got to defend the British national interest. What is the British

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national interest in all of this? Well, practical example - it looks

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as if we're going to see steps towards a fiscal union. What we

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cannot have as a result of that is a situation where, if you take our

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financial services industry, for example, that can somehow be

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squashed at the dictats of other member states. We have got to

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protect our national interest. is a strong thing which the

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Conservatives are setting up - there are no plans to do things

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which will squash the City of London. There are two very

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practical things. First of all, there is the transactions plan.

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That's a plan that Europe would like to see introduced, it is not

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part of saving the eurozone. but if you have a more integrated

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eurozone, which commands power in the European council, we have to

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make sure that those states are in a position to turn around and say,

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that is what we're going to do, it affects you and you do not have a

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say on it. So, the key task for David Cameron on Friday, is those

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negotiations, is to make short... We have also got 49 directives

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which will impact upon the City of London. But that is not part of

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treaty changes or protocol changes to save the eurozone, it is nothing

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to do with it, they're separate issues We have had over the past 30

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years, a number of different protocols giving Britain opt in

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rights, and opt out rights, giving us protection. What David Cameron

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was talking about this morning, he said he was going to go in with

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steel to defend the British interest. I think we need a bit of

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the spirit of the Thatcher handbag. You would expect any Prime Minister

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to stand up for Britain's interests, that is what they are supposed to

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do. What is your position on this? I think what needs to happen in

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terms of the eurozone crisis is that you need the ECB to stand

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behind the countries which are in difficulty, but you need Chancellor

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Merkel to stand behind that. you in favour of fiscal union for

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the eurozone countries? I don't think that is a solution. It is up

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to them, it is not Britain's decision. But in terms of what they

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need to do to get through this crisis, they need a central bank

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which stands behind these things, in the same way that the Bank of

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England does in the UK. But that is not going to be one of the changes.

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But I think there is a chance... want to get this clear - Labour is

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not in favour, because it does not think it is one of and, of the

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eurozone becoming a fiscal union? think what Chancellor Merkel is

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saying is that if you have some kind of "fiscal compact", which is

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some kind of integration, then the ECB might be allowed to come in and

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support countries in difficulty. So, if "fiscal compact" is getting the

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ECB to play a proper role, then, yes, I would support that. If it is

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going to get a solution to the problem. You just told me you were

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not in favour of it. I don't think it is fiscal union which will get

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through this crisis. But if it leads to the ECB becoming the

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lender of last resort, you're in favour of it. Yes, but on its own,

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I don't think it will solve the problems. That's the opposite of

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what you told me two minutes ago. You told me that fiscal union is

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not the answer. It isn't. But if a "fiscal compact" means that the

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other countries in the eurozone will allow the ECB to do its job,

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then that is part of the answer, but not on its own. Chris Davies,

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do you think it is very democratic that setting up a eurozone which

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will impinge on the tax-and-spend policies of all the peoples of the

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eurozone is done through the back door by a protocol change? I assume

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that protocol change will be put to national parliaments. So where is

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the democracy element? So, it would be put to national parliaments just

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like a treaty change? unassuming, and at do not know the

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answer to this yet, that what will be required is a change to the

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protocol. That would not mean a transfer of sovereignty from the UK

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to the European Union. And therefore, it can go to the

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Parliament at Westminster, and can be voted on without the need for a

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referendum. But that might not be the case in Ireland, for example. A

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treaty change, as I understand it, would require a referendum there.

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Is there are substantive difference between a treaty change and a

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protocol change? Does it demand the same democratic procedures?

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protocol change is a treaty change. It seems to me that as far as the

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UK is concerned, the difference is simply, does it now require, under

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the new Act of Parliament, us to go to a referendum? I think not.

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the eurozone becomes a fiscal union, whether it is by a treaty change or

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protocol change, friendly, and lost now, but let's just say it happens,

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doesn't that fundamentally change Britain's relationship with Europe,

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since we are not part of it? Clearly, what that requires is some

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form of protection in whatever those negotiations deliver for the

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UK. But it is also a fundamental change, and your boss, IDS, said

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that the Prime Minister has always said that if there was a major

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treaty change, we would have a We have got to make sure that what

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comes out of this is something that properly protects Britain's

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interests. Chris Davis who was it that said

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"the public are being denied a proper debate on the EU. Nobody

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under the age of 50 has been able to have their say on this crucial

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issue." Who said that? I suspect you are going to say that it is

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Nick Clegg. You got it in one. He is not saying

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that now, is he? No, he is not saying it now because

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it is the wrong time to have a referendum. That would be

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ridiculous. It is like shooting yourself in the foot. No one wants

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to say we should lose millions of of collapse for the sake of this

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argument. There is an argument about whether or not the UK should

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be in the European Union. This is not the time for it.

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So the simple question he said in or out, that's where I will

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continue to lead the argument for a referendum on our membership. That

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ain't party policy anymore? As far as I know it is still party

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policy. So So why aren't we having it?

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Because of what we just said. Would you recommend that? Would you

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honestly recommend at a time when the... I didn't say it Mr Davis,

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your leader said it, not me. This is very much a question of

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could have dense. Do -- confidence. Do the financial markets have

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confidence about the direction which the European leaders are

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taking us? To have a referendum on the table would destroy the hopes

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of that confidence. Mr Davis, thank you.

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Forgive me for being stupid, does it mean the Parliament would still

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have to vote its approval? As far as I'm aware any change to the

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arrangements have to come before Parliament.

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Good. I was confused. I'm still confused.

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This time last week, many schools were closed and bins left

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uncollected and NHS operations cancelled. The Prime Minister

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called it a damp squib, but there could be further strikes in the

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coming months. Union reps came to prominence

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earlier in the year. The trade unionist journey is not

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an impoverished one according to by research by the taxpayers alliance

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pressure group. Trade unions received �113 million of funding

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from taxpayers in 2010/11. This includes �80 million in paid staff

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time. The taxpayers alliance is extrapolate this means 2,840 full-

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time equivalent public sector staff worked on trade union activities.

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It found the organisation with the highest number of employees working

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on trade union activities was the Department for Work and Pensions

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with 308 equivalent full-time staff. Birmingham City Council had nearly

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62 full-time equivalent staff and the top police force was the

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Metropolitan Police force with 16 full-time equivalent staff

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undertaking union duties. Aidan Burly heads the trade union reform

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campaign? Over 130 million pounds a year of of taxpayers money not

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going on front-line services like doctors and nurses, but funding

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those organising the strikes and the chaos we saw last week. I agree

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with the Prime Minister, this can't be sustained and that's why I'm

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campaigning to end this Spanish practise.

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Rachel Reeves, picking up on that, in the times of austerity, you

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could be forgiven for thinking the public might say, "Let's not cut

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police officers, nurses and libraries, why don't we put

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taxpayer funded union officials.". I worked in the public and private

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sector before becoming an MP. When I worked in the private secretaryor,

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I was a manager, we negotiated over pay and the rest of it and that was

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valuable, it is not just something that happens in the public sector.

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It happens in the private sector as well where employers... You think

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we are not getting value for money at the moment looking at the

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numbers of people that are... way it works an employer and

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employees come together and decide the number of seconded people. They

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are not union staff, they are staff that work for the organisation,

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whether it police or the Health Service who are second to represent

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the employees in that organisation and that's what happens in the

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private sector. Why don't the unions pay for the

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posts? Bearing in mind these people are doing trade union work, why

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don't they pay for it? They are representing people in the

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workplace, representing the employees and in the same way you

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have big HR function ins any large o, the -- organisation, the

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employees always need someone to to stand up for them and represent

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their work. You are doing trade union work. We

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have some of those in the BBC, why don't the unions pay for the posts?

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Because they are representing people in the workplace and it is

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not that they are doing trade union work, they are doing work of

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supporting the people, the nurses, the doctors, the BBC staff or

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whoever it is and actually it helps those organisations because you

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have somebody to negotiate with whether it is on pay conditions,

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change and the rest of it. 2,840 full-time staff working on

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trade union activities, do you think that's too many? That's

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across Government, including all local authorities.

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It is a lot of people, isn't it? Including the quangos and the rest

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of it. You will find that in the private sector as well, you will

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have people in all levels of the organisations in different

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departments representing the people who have worked there.

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In these times of austerity and you said it is about value for money,

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who would you rather cut, one of the taxpayer funded officials or a

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police officer? Labour have said we wouldn't cut at

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the speeds that the Government... know, but you still admit you were

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going to cut particularly in the police force. Who would you rather

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cut if you had to make a choice, who would you rather see cut. Could

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we lose a number of the taxpayer funded officials? Labour said we

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would cut by 12% compared to 20% and the police representatives said

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that wouldn't mean a reduction in front-line support so we think we

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could do it in a different way. As the size of the public sector, as

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there are cuts, there has to be proportionate across the whole

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whole organisation and it is up to the employers and the employees to

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negotiate that as it is in the private sector as well.

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Do you think it is difficult because Labour and because yourself,

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are so closely linked and dependant on the unions? Does that make it

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difficult for you to criticise it? I am a member of a trade union and

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I was in a trade union when I worked in the public sector and the

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private sector and was represented by my union. I am proud thoot

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Labour Party was -- that the Labour Party was formed... Does it make it

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difficult for you to criticise that link? The main members of the

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Labour Party are members. How much do you get from Unite?

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don't get any money from a trade union, my constituency party have

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an agreement with Unite and we get, I think, the constituency party

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gets money towards the campaigning activities for the local elections

:22:56.:23:00.

and for the the general election as well, but I don't get money from a

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trade union. What about the law on pilgrims? Is

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it going to change? It is now under review. I would be surprised if it

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didn't change. Clearly we sitting in the WDP... It has the most

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That's because we have 100,000 staff.

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How many would you like to see cut? I don't believe there should be

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full-time officials. I am happy to see members of staff with union

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responsibilities being able to take time off from their jobs to do

:23:31.:23:34.

their union jobs. You heard from Rachel Reeves they

:23:34.:23:40.

do a valuable jobs. That smoothed industrial relations with their

:23:40.:23:43.

employees? We are spending �80 million a year that could be spent

:23:44.:23:48.

on extra add viresers in -- advisers in Jobcentre Plus centres

:23:48.:23:52.

and that money is going to the union movement which is, whatever

:23:52.:23:55.

Rachel says, it is the principle funder of the Labour Party and we

:23:55.:23:59.

have situations where there is evidence that Labour politicians

:23:59.:24:02.

are asking questions and tabling amendments in the House of Commons

:24:02.:24:05.

specifically at the request of trade unions.

:24:05.:24:12.

If you talk to manager in the DWP who negotiate on pay and conditions,

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I'm sure they will tell you that it is helpful to have people there

:24:17.:24:22.

representing the employees in the workplace and it reduces the number

:24:22.:24:25.

of disciplinaries. The full-time activities that Chris

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Grayling - it is the end of full- time taxpayer funded officials?

:24:30.:24:35.

That's what I would like to see. You are happy to have two part-time

:24:35.:24:41.

rather than one full-time? My view is within the DWP we would like to

:24:41.:24:45.

see us making time available for members of staff to represent union

:24:45.:24:48.

interests, but not for them to be just doing that. We should be

:24:48.:24:51.

talking about people who have got other responsibilities given time

:24:51.:24:56.

to do their representative work. Well, if they are seconded for a

:24:56.:25:04.

year to represent people, a nurse se conned for a -- se seconded for

:25:04.:25:10.

a year, I don't see a problem. It can avoid disciplinaries and for 13

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years we had less industrial action than we had ever before. So I don't

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think it is necessarily a bad thing. It is going to be a cut price

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Christmas for many this year... hope you got my present.

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I sent it back. We have had a warning from

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Government today not to be buying cheap counterfeit foods. That's

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what I got you, I forgot! Fake UGG boots, I like that word,

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hair straighteners and iPhones and iPads. That's a real iPad.

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It is difficult to say. It fell off the back of a lorry. Designer

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clothes and Hello Kitty products, what's that? It is for children.

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They are among the tens of thousands of counterfeit items

:26:06.:26:10.

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you can remember when this Sir Michael called me a Puppet and

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kangaroo. The majority of the British people

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You can see the full terms and conditions for Guess The Year on

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our website. It is coming up to midday. Let's

:28:44.:28:49.

look at Big Ben. It is a glorious, cold, sunny day in London. It can

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only mean one thing. Prime Minister's Questions are on their

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way and Nick Robinson is here. Welcome. I guess you don't have to

:28:58.:29:02.

be a rocket rocket scientist to work that the frontbench exchanges

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will have have something to do with Europe and the economy? The Labour

:29:07.:29:10.

Party is inclined to say, "Let the Conservatives have their own

:29:10.:29:13.

difficulties on Europe. Let the coalition have their difficulties,

:29:13.:29:16.

we, the Labour Party, don't want to have much of a say. He is not

:29:17.:29:20.

calling for a referendum. Ed Miliband, he is not calling for a

:29:20.:29:24.

renegotiation. So why not let The Daily Mail and The Sun and the

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Telegraph fall out with the Conservative Prime Minister. What

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he might be tempted to do, you will remember again and again he

:29:34.:29:36.

criticised previous Labour figures criticised the Conservative Party

:29:36.:29:41.

for for pulling out of this organisation, the E EPP, it won't

:29:41.:29:44.

look so obscure today to the Prime Minister, meeting in Marseille

:29:44.:29:49.

today for the EPP, which is the European People's Party, it it

:29:49.:29:55.

brings together the centre right party, and no fewer are the leader

:29:55.:29:57.

of Germany and France and the president of the European

:29:57.:30:01.

Commission, the current president of the European Parliament and all

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because... Haven't we got Slovakia? We will not be there!

:30:09.:30:13.

I just think it is possible that Ed Miliband might be tempted to say,

:30:13.:30:16.

"How much influence have you really got when these guys are getting

:30:16.:30:24.

together and you are not there?". There is a gulf developing between

:30:24.:30:31.

Mr Cameron and a section of his his backbenchers? The first question

:30:31.:30:37.

being asked by a Euro-sceptic, will he raise it? Who knows, he often

:30:37.:30:40.

raises Gibraltar, but I suspect someone might. They want a moment

:30:40.:30:43.

of decision. They think this is a once in a generation opportunity

:30:43.:30:47.

for Britain to redefine its relationship. Some because they

:30:47.:30:51.

want to get out, others, no, they want to have a new sort of

:30:51.:30:54.

relationship, but David Cameron is determined that this will not be

:30:54.:31:04.

the moment Britain says, "Look, we know the world economy is going to

:31:04.:31:07.

hell." But he thinks that's a mistake.

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Thank you, Mr Speaker. This morning I had meetings with ministerial

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colleagues and others. Mr Speaker, the British people want to see two

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things from this week's European summit - firstly a resolute and

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uncompromising defence of Britain's national interests, and secondly,

:31:36.:31:41.

it in the end to the disastrous Euro crisis, a currency the party

:31:41.:31:45.

opposite still wants us to join. Will the Prime Minister do us proud

:31:45.:31:53.

on Friday and show some bulldog spirit in Brussels? I can guarantee

:31:53.:31:57.

to my Honourable Friend that that is exactly what I will do. The

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British national interest absolutely means that we need to

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At the same time, we must seek safeguards for Britain, that is the

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right thing to do. It is something the Right Honourable Gentleman

:32:27.:32:33.

opposite takes a different view about. The the six weeks ago, the

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Prime Minister said, and I quote, the idea of some limited treaty

:32:36.:32:39.

change in the future might give us the opportunity to repatriate

:32:39.:32:44.

powers back to Britain. At the European summit, what powers will

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he be arguing to repatriate? As I have just explained, at the

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summit... Let be explained. -- let me explain. Order. We're all

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interested to hear the answer. will have the key aim of helping to

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resolve the eurozone crisis, and we believe that means European,

:33:09.:33:12.

eurozone countries coming together and doing more things together. If

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they choose to do that through a treaty at 27 that we are involved

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in, we will insist on some safeguards for Britain. And yes,

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that means making sure we are stronger and better able to do

:33:24.:33:31.

things in the UK to protect our own national interests. Now, let me

:33:31.:33:37.

explain. Obviously, do more the countries in the eurozone ask for,

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the more we will ask for in return. But we will judge it on the basis

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of what matters most to Britain. The more he talks, the more

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confusing his position gets, quite frankly. Let me remind him, on the

:33:55.:33:59.

eve of the biggest post-war rebellion against a Prime Minister

:33:59.:34:05.

on Europe, he was telling his Prime Minister's -- he was telling his

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backbenchers that the opportunity of treaty change would mean in the

:34:09.:34:13.

future the repatriation of powers. That was his position six weeks ago.

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Today he writes an article in the Times, 1,000 words, not one mention

:34:19.:34:22.

of the phrase of repatriation of powers. Why does the Prime Minister

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think it is in the national interest to tell his backbenchers

:34:25.:34:29.

one thing to quell a rebellion on Europe, and tell his European

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partners another? I do not take back a single word I said in that

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debate. Yes, what we want to do, specifically and particularly in

:34:40.:34:44.

the area of financial services, where this country has a Mashud

:34:44.:34:50.

national interest... Let me remind him, it is 10% of GDP, it is 3% of

:34:50.:34:55.

our trade surplus, it is 7% of UK employment. I want to make sure we

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have more power and control here in the UK to determine these things.

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And that is in complete contrast to the party opposite, which gave away

:35:05.:35:14.

power after power. They gave up our power, and they made us join the

:35:14.:35:19.

bail-out fund. We have had to get out of the bail-out fund! They gave

:35:19.:35:24.

up our rebate and got nothing in return. We have managed to freeze

:35:24.:35:27.

the European budget. We have got one party which defends Britain's

:35:27.:35:36.

interests, and another that always so renders it. -- surrenders. Mr

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Speaker, I think the short answer is... I say to the usual,

:35:42.:35:45.

predictable, noisy tendency, people must be heard, that's what will

:35:45.:35:51.

happen, however long it takes. Speaker, I think the short answer

:35:51.:35:56.

is that six weeks ago, he was promising his backbenchers a hand

:35:56.:36:01.

begging for Europe, now he's just reduced to hand-wringing. That is

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the reality of this.. And the problem for Britain is that at the

:36:07.:36:11.

most important European summit for a generation, which matters usually

:36:11.:36:14.

for families and businesses up and down the country, the Prime

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Minister is simply left on the sidelines. Is it not the truth that

:36:19.:36:23.

we have a Prime Minister caught between his promises in opposition

:36:23.:36:27.

and the reality of government? That is why Britain is losing out in

:36:27.:36:33.

Europe. I'm afraid even the best scripted joke on handbags is not

:36:33.:36:43.

going to save his leadership. He talks about being isolated. Let me

:36:43.:36:48.

just explain to him where we would be if we adopted Labour's policy.

:36:48.:36:52.

If we adopted you're spending and your deficit policies, and if we

:36:52.:36:57.

were in the euro, what we would find is, I would not be going to

:36:57.:37:00.

Brussels to fight for Britain, I would be going to Brussels to get a

:37:00.:37:10.

bail-out. Under the proposals being put forward, Labour would put

:37:10.:37:14.

Britain in such a bad position that the tax changes would not be

:37:14.:37:16.

written by the Shadow Chancellor, they would be written by the German

:37:17.:37:26.
:37:27.:37:29.

Chancellor! There is a wide spectrum of views on Europe

:37:29.:37:33.

throughout this House, and one can sense it from the responses even to

:37:33.:37:36.

that remark. Will the Prime Minister take the straightforward

:37:36.:37:39.

message with him to the European council that the one thing most

:37:39.:37:44.

likely to unite the House of Commons would be the perception of

:37:44.:37:49.

a calculated assault from Brussels, not even in their interests, on the

:37:49.:37:53.

well-being of the UK financial services industry, and on the 1.3

:37:54.:37:59.

million people, in all of our constituencies, who worked in it?

:37:59.:38:01.

The Honourable Gentleman is entirely right. Of course we want

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to see a greater rebalancing of our economy, and we want to see more

:38:06.:38:10.

jobs in manufacturing, in aerospace and in technology. But the economy

:38:10.:38:14.

that we inherited is very dependent on financial services, and I do

:38:14.:38:17.

think we should at least celebrate the fact that it is a world-class

:38:17.:38:21.

industry, a world-class industry not just for Britain but for Europe.

:38:21.:38:26.

It is absolutely vital that we safeguard it. We do seek it under

:38:26.:38:29.

continued regulatory attack from Brussels, and I think there is an

:38:29.:38:33.

opportunity, particularly if there was a treaty at 27, to get some

:38:33.:38:37.

safeguards, not just for that industry, but to give us greater

:38:37.:38:40.

power and control in terms of regulation gear in this House of

:38:40.:38:44.

Commons. I think that is in the interests of the entire country,

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and it is something I will be fighting for on Friday. Does the

:38:49.:38:52.

Prime Minister agreed that the recent escalation of industrial

:38:52.:38:57.

action in the public sector, which incidentally, in my part of the

:38:57.:39:01.

world, was not a damp squib, is a result of genuine anger about the

:39:01.:39:06.

sheer unfairness of government action to deal with pension

:39:06.:39:10.

contributions, unfair action which is making people on low and middle

:39:11.:39:16.

incomes pay for the horrendous mistakes at the top? Sewers and

:39:16.:39:20.

afraid I think the Honourable Lady is just plain wrong. The lowest-

:39:20.:39:24.

paid workers are not being asked to contribute more to their pensions.

:39:24.:39:29.

In terms of Furnace, let me just make his point. Under what we're

:39:29.:39:33.

offering, a primary school teacher earning �32,000 a year could

:39:33.:39:38.

receive a pension worth �20,000 a year. A private sector worker,

:39:39.:39:41.

remember, the people who are putting their money into these

:39:41.:39:46.

pensions, a private sector worker would have to pay 38% of their

:39:46.:39:50.

salary, almost half of their salary, to get an equivalent pension. Of

:39:50.:39:54.

course there is an issue of fairness. We must play fair by

:39:54.:39:58.

public sector workers. But we also must be fair to the private sector,

:39:58.:40:04.

who are putting their money into these pensions. Mr Speaker, does my

:40:04.:40:07.

Right Honourable Friend agree with me that it is time for this country

:40:07.:40:16.

to even Europe, in the hope of a new, post-bureaucratic age? I do

:40:16.:40:19.

think there are opportunities for Britain in Europe. I think we

:40:19.:40:23.

should start from the premise that it is in Britain's interest to be

:40:23.:40:26.

in the single market. We are trading nation, we need those

:40:26.:40:29.

markets open, we need to be able to determine the rules of those

:40:29.:40:34.

markets. But as Europe changes, yes, of course there are opportunities.

:40:34.:40:37.

But the first priority, at the end of this week, must be to make sure

:40:38.:40:41.

that the eurozone crisis, which is having such a bad effect on our

:40:41.:40:44.

economy, is resolved. But at the same time we should be very clear

:40:44.:40:49.

about the British national interest - safeguarding the single market,

:40:49.:40:52.

safeguarding the financial services, looking out for the interests of UK

:40:52.:40:57.

plc. Can the Prime Minister tell us if he will be having his usual

:40:57.:41:06.

Christmas bash with Rebekah Brooks and Jeremy Clarkson? If so, will

:41:06.:41:09.

they be talking about just how out of touch they all are with British

:41:09.:41:17.

public opinion? I seem to remember the annual sleepover was with the

:41:17.:41:24.

former Labour Prime Minister. So, no, I will be having a quiet family

:41:24.:41:34.
:41:34.:41:35.

Christmas. Can I offer him my full support as he promises to stand up

:41:35.:41:39.

for the British national interest at the EU summit on Friday? But is

:41:39.:41:44.

it not the case that bail out after bail out of the eurozone will not

:41:44.:41:49.

save Europe, but making Europe more competitive, reducing its high unit

:41:49.:41:55.

costs, and cutting regulation and red tape on business will do so?

:41:55.:41:59.

is entirely right. I can quite understand why leading members of

:41:59.:42:04.

the eurozone, like Germany, for instance, want to see tougher

:42:04.:42:07.

fiscal rules about budget deficits for euros a members. But it is

:42:07.:42:11.

right to point out that the heart of the crisis is actually caused by

:42:11.:42:14.

current account deficits in some countries, and large current

:42:14.:42:18.

account surpluses in others. Unless we solve the competitiveness

:42:18.:42:21.

problem at the heart of the euro crisis, this crisis will keep

:42:21.:42:27.

recurring. Our argument has been thrown out, yes, you need tough

:42:27.:42:31.

rules on deficits, yes, you need the institutions of the euro acting

:42:31.:42:35.

in concert and acting strongly, but you have got to resolve the

:42:35.:42:38.

competitiveness problem at the heart of the single currency in

:42:38.:42:41.

order to deal with this crisis. I will continue to make those points

:42:41.:42:47.

on Thursday and Friday. Mr Speaker, can the Prime Minister confirmed

:42:47.:42:50.

that next year, according to the Institute of Fiscal Studies, as a

:42:50.:42:55.

result of his economic policy, the poorest third of families will lose

:42:55.:43:00.

three times as much as the richest third? No, his figures are wrong.

:43:00.:43:04.

If you take all the things that the Government has done, which is the

:43:04.:43:09.

right way to measure this, what you find is that the top 10% see losses

:43:09.:43:13.

nearly 10 times greater than the bottom 10%. And I believe that is

:43:13.:43:18.

fair. I believe the point which has not been properly understood, but

:43:18.:43:22.

is important, is, if you take the richest 10% in our country, they

:43:22.:43:26.

not only see the biggest reduction in their income in cash terms, they

:43:26.:43:31.

also see the biggest reduction of their income proportionately. So,

:43:31.:43:35.

we are being fair. It is incredibly difficult to deal with the debts

:43:35.:43:39.

and a deficit which the Honourable Gentleman and his party left behind,

:43:39.:43:43.

but we are determined to do it in a way which is fair. He's simply

:43:43.:43:48.

wrong again, the figures are there.. The figures are there. And the

:43:48.:43:52.

poorest third are losing far more than the richest third. Of course,

:43:52.:43:56.

he used to say, I am not going to balance the budget on the backs of

:43:56.:44:00.

the poor. He's not balancing the budget, he's right, he's not

:44:00.:44:07.

balancing the budget, Mr Speaker. �158 billion more borrowing! But he

:44:07.:44:15.

is hitting the poor. But cash and one group to give him credit, that

:44:15.:44:19.

he is easing the pain for, and I don't think this has got the

:44:19.:44:24.

publicity it deserves - he's delaying for a year the tax on

:44:24.:44:29.

private jets, Mr Speaker. This is at the same time as hitting the

:44:29.:44:35.

poorest families in this country. Can he confirm that a working

:44:35.:44:40.

mother earning �300 a week is seeing VAT going up, her tax

:44:40.:44:46.

credits cut, child benefit frozen and her maternity grant cut? He had

:44:46.:44:51.

13 years to tax private jets! And now, former Labour leaders are

:44:51.:44:58.

jetting around in them! We will tax them in two years. He quotes the

:44:58.:45:01.

Institute for Fiscal Studies - that me remind him what they said about

:45:01.:45:06.

Labour's plans specifically. Labour's policies would lead to,

:45:06.:45:11.

and I quote, even higher debt levels over this Parliament... I

:45:11.:45:15.

know, Mr Speaker, they do not like to hear it when their own policies

:45:15.:45:25.
:45:25.:45:28.

are taken apart. Calm down. They do THE SPEAKER: I want to get down the

:45:28.:45:30.

order paper. If the Prime Minister wants to give a brief answer, let

:45:30.:45:34.

it be brief. Let's hear it. Let me just explain what the IFS

:45:34.:45:40.

said. His plans imply even debt levels over this Parliament than we

:45:40.:45:44.

will see. If you want the stimulus we are giving the economy by low

:45:44.:45:47.

low interest rates, you have to stick to the plans we've set out.

:45:47.:45:54.

There is no a party in Europe, apart from the moll doveian

:45:54.:45:59.

communists that back his plans. He is talking about a stimulus, he

:45:59.:46:02.

doesn't understand he is cutting too far and too fast. And that's

:46:02.:46:05.

why we have got problems in our economy. He doesn't want to tell us

:46:05.:46:11.

what the IFS said about his plans. He is the Prime Minister, the new

:46:11.:46:17.

tax on benefit measures, the new tax on benefit measures are a take

:46:17.:46:20.

away from lower income families with children. The figures speak

:46:20.:46:26.

for themselves. His changes are hitting women twice as hard as men.

:46:26.:46:31.

Isn't truth that he is the first Prime Minister in modern times to

:46:31.:46:38.

say "it is the women and children first.". His soundbites get weaker

:46:38.:46:42.

and weaker as his leadership gets weaker and weaker, that's the truth

:46:42.:46:45.

of it. If you look at what we have done, lifting 1.1 million people

:46:45.:46:50.

out of tax, that is mostly women that benefit. If you look at the

:46:50.:46:55.

increase in the pension, �5.35 starting next next April, that will

:46:55.:46:58.

benefit mostly women. If you take the issue of public sector pensions,

:46:58.:47:02.

well we're helping the lowest paid in the public sector, that will

:47:02.:47:06.

help women. Yes, we are giving the economy a stimulus by keeping our

:47:06.:47:11.

interest rates low. We have interest rates at 2% while they are

:47:11.:47:19.

at 5% in Italy and 5% in Spain and 30% in Greece. If we followed his

:47:19.:47:22.

his advice, we would have interest rates rocket and more people out of

:47:22.:47:26.

work. That's what Labour offer and that's why they will never be

:47:26.:47:30.

trusted with our economy again. Can I tell the Prime Minister that

:47:30.:47:35.

small and medium enterprises in my constituency are still having grave

:47:35.:47:38.

difficulty accessing reasonable finance?

:47:38.:47:42.

A major contributors of that is lack of competition. Will the

:47:42.:47:45.

Government consider breaking up the nationalised banks in order to be

:47:45.:47:49.

able to create more competition on the high street?

:47:50.:47:52.

I think we have opportunities to increase the competition on the

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high street and obviously as we look to return the State banks back

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into the private sector, we will have further opportunities. We have

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managed to take one important step forward which is to get Northern

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Rock back out there lending to businesses and to households

:48:08.:48:10.

properly established in the north- east of England.

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THE SPEAKER: Closed question, Jeremy Corbin.

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Not here. Mr Speaker, our history at repatriating powers back from

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the EU is not a happy one. May I therefore suggest a fundamental

:48:32.:48:37.

renegotiation of our relationship with the EU based on free trade,

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growth and competitiveness which other countries enjoy and not

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political union and dead weight regulation? This EU Summit is a

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defining moment. A once-in-a- lifetime opportunity. Will the

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Prime Minister seize the moment? I am a little bit more optimistic

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than the honourable gentleman. The bail out power that the last

:48:58.:49:03.

Government gave away, we are returning to the United Kingdom via

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the treaty is we have returned a power Arrecently we have won

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exception from EU legislation to make sure that from January 2012

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microenterprises will not face any EU regulation at all. Are we going

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to go in there and fight for British interests on Thursday and

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Friday? Yes, we will, but let's be clear. There is the option of a

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treaty at 27, where we have the ability to say yes or no and as a

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result get a price for that. But there is always the possibility

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that the eurozone members at 17 will go ahead and form a treaty of

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their own. Again, we have some leverage in that situation because

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they need the use of EU institutions, but we should

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recognise what our leaverages are and make the most of it.

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Last year the Prime Minister's manifesto promised to repatriate

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legal rights, criminal justice and employment and social legislation.

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His article in the Times this morning is silent on all these

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issues and the Justice Secretary has said this agenda is not

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realistic anyway. Does the Prime Minister regret leading his party

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up the garden path and forcing himself into a choice between

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ditching his manifesto or potentially vote owing a treaty --

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vetoing a treaty? What I regret is the party opposite gave away so

:50:32.:50:36.

many powers. It will take a while to get some of them back, but we're

:50:36.:50:39.

making progress. When he was in Government, when he was in

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Government, there were repeated increase in the EU budget. This

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year we have achieved an EU EU budget freeze. When he was in

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Government, he gave away the bail out power and with had to pour

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billions of pounds into other countries. We got that power back

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and I believe with strong negotiation, standing up for

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Britain, we can clear up the mess that Labour left us.

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Over the last decade-and-a-half there has been an explosion of

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personal debt levels in our country, yet we let our young people leave

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school without the power to make informed decisions. Will the Prime

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Minister read the report and meet with a small Group of MPs to ensure

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that young people are more financially literate? My honourable

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friend knows a great deal about this having been a supply teacher

:51:31.:51:37.

for many years in the constituency that he represents. And a permanent

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teacher as well. Excuse me. I'm happy to meet financial education

:51:41.:51:45.

is important for our young people and I look forward to seeing his

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all party report. Mr Speaker, the Prime Minister said

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he wanted to lead the most family- friendly Government ever. Isn't it

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a disgrace that nearly �19 billion of cuts his Government announced so

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far, �13 billion have fallen on women?

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What I say, it was this Government that introduced 15 hours of free

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nursery care for three-year-olds and four-year-olds, something that

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the Labour Party never managed to do in Government and in spite of

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the mess that we were left in this Autumn Statement, we put in an

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extra �380 million to double the number of disadvantaged two-year-

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olds whose parents will get free nursery care. That is real progress.

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Real help for families. Something they never delivered.

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Thank you, Mr Speaker. What would the Prime Minister say to a council

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like Redcar in Cleveland who are considering rejecting Government

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funding for a council tax council tax freeze next year and instead

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charging my hard-pressed constituents 3.5% more? I very much

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hope that that all councils will take up the offer of a council tax

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freeze. In this year when people face economic hardship it is

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important we help where we can. That's why we have cut the petrol

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tax and allowed the council tax freeze to go ahead. My advice would

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be to support parties that back a council tax freeze.

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Thank you plrks speaker. -- Mr Speaker. Since the Education Act

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1944 successive governments have supported subsidised travel for

:53:31.:53:35.

students who live three miles or more from the faith school of their

:53:35.:53:38.

choice. Some local authorities are beginning to cut back on that

:53:38.:53:42.

support, that financial support, I don't think any member in this

:53:42.:53:46.

House wants to see that happen. Can the Prime Minister encourage local

:53:46.:53:52.

authorities to embrace the spirit of the 1944 Education Act on this

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particular issue? I think the honourable gentleman

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asks an important question. I support school choice, parents

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having the ability to choose between schools and I also support

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Faith schools indeed, I have chosen a faith school for my my children,

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so I will look carefully at what he says and what local authorities are

:54:10.:54:13.

doing and discuss it with the Education Secretary to see what we

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can do to enhance choice and the faith based education that many of

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our constituents choose. Does the Prime Minister agree with

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me that in exchange for us supporting the Euro countries in

:54:28.:54:32.

dealing with their crisis, we should be seeking changes on the

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law on immigration, employment, and fishing rights in order to support

:54:38.:54:42.

our economy? What I would say to the honourable gentleman is, as

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I've said, if they choose a treaty at 27, that treaty requires our

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consent and so we should therefore think of what other things most in

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our national interests and I've talked about keeping the single

:54:55.:54:58.

market market open, I have talked about the importance of financial

:54:58.:55:01.

services, but the more that eurozone countries want to do in a

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treaty of 27, the more changes they want to make, the greater ability

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we have to to ask for sensible things that make sense for Britain.

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I am keen that we exercise the leverage that we have to do a good

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deal for Britain and that's what I'll be doing in Brussels this

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Thursday and Friday. Mr Speaker, the Prime Minister

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promised, "I will cut the deficit, not the NHS." Why is his Government

:55:28.:55:38.
:55:38.:55:39.

closing the accident and emergency and maternity services at King

:55:39.:55:45.

George Hospital, shouldn't he have said, "I will cut the NHS, not the

:55:45.:55:49.

deficit?". The deficit is coming down and the NHS spending is going

:55:49.:55:54.

up throughout this Parliament and I note his own health spokesman says

:55:54.:55:58.

that it is irresponsible to increase spending on the NHS. We

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don't think it is irresponsible. We think it is the right thing to do

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as he knows, the Health Secretary set out the criteria for all local

:56:05.:56:08.

changes shoulding in his constituency, there has to be

:56:08.:56:11.

proper public and patient engagement, there has to be sound

:56:12.:56:15.

clinical evidence, there has to be support from GP commissioners and

:56:15.:56:20.

proper support for patient choice. The Prime Minister has taken a

:56:20.:56:25.

strong interest in the incredible work of the Oxford Parent Infant

:56:25.:56:29.

Project in helping families who are struggling to form a strong

:56:29.:56:33.

attachment with their babies. Two months ago I started a charity in

:56:33.:56:36.

Northamptonshire and with the Prime Minister's interest in

:56:36.:56:39.

strengthening families, will he commit to looking at the incredible

:56:39.:56:44.

work that can be done in early intervention that saves a fortune

:56:44.:56:48.

in the criminal and care services later on? The honourable lady is

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right. I know about the project that she speaks about and I'm

:56:52.:56:55.

delighted she is expanding it into her constituency, all the evidence

:56:55.:57:00.

shows that the more we can do to help children and their parents

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between the age of naught and two, it is the key time when so much

:57:05.:57:10.

disadvantage can set in that could have a bad impact later on in life.

:57:10.:57:15.

Her work and the work of members across this House in prioritising

:57:15.:57:19.

early invention is so important for our country.

:57:19.:57:26.

The Prime Minister was asked by his constituent Philip Hall to cut VAT

:57:26.:57:32.

on home repairs and improvement. Mr Hall runs his own construction

:57:32.:57:35.

company. This has the support of over 50 business organisations

:57:35.:57:37.

including the Federation of Small Businesses. Will he support that

:57:37.:57:42.

cut in VAT which would help jobs, growth and business?

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Well, look, the problem, the hon honourable gentleman has, they have

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a long list of extra spending and extra tax cuts they want. As we

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have heard today at Question Time again, they oppose every spending

:57:56.:58:00.

reduction that we're making. They impose every reform to get better

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value for money. So you can only conclude that spending would go up,

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that borrowing would rocket, that interest rates would increase and

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the economy would be left in very, very dire straights.

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-- dire straits. Why is my right honourable friend

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supporting a policy of fiscal unification of the eurozone States,

:58:25.:58:31.

which if it happens, will lead to the creation of a dangerously

:58:31.:58:35.

undemocratic single Government for those countries?

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Look, the point I make to my honourable friend is this, I don't

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want Britain to join the euro. Britain is better off outside the

:58:44.:58:48.

euro. Those countries that have chose tonne join the euro, they

:58:48.:58:52.

have got to make that system work and they don't just need stronger

:58:52.:58:56.

fiscal rules, which I think is clear, they need to have greater

:58:56.:58:59.

competitiveness. It is for them to decide how to go ahead and do those

:58:59.:59:03.

things. What we should do is maintain Britain's position outside

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the euro and make sure we safeguard our interests at the same time.

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That's what I will be doing in Brussels.

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10,000 service personnel will have heard of their real terms cut in

:59:17.:59:20.

pay whilst serving on the front- line in Afghanistan. What does the

:59:21.:59:28.

Prime Minister think that morale for those risking their

:59:28.:59:31.

lives for us? What we have done is doubled the

:59:31.:59:34.

operational allowance that people in Afghanistan receive and they are

:59:34.:59:37.

extremely brave people and we should be doing right by them and

:59:37.:59:41.

that's why we doubled that allowance and we have increased the

:59:41.:59:44.

council tax disregard. We have made sure that the pupil premium is not

:59:44.:59:48.

just available to children on free school meals, but is available to

:59:49.:59:52.

all service children and we have put the military covenant into the

:59:52.:59:58.

law of our land and we will go on defending, promoting and protecting

:59:58.:00:03.

our brilliant armed service personnel and their families.

:00:03.:00:07.

The windfarm application spans three local authorities, each of

:00:07.:00:11.

whom assessed it against their local plans and rejected it.

:00:11.:00:14.

Subsequently a distant unelected planning inspector inspector

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overruled and moved forward his decision so it could be made the

:00:19.:00:23.

day before the localism Bill got Royal Assent. The Prime Minister

:00:23.:00:25.

will understand my constituents anger, can he look into what

:00:25.:00:35.
:00:35.:00:36.

appears to be a slap in the face He makes an important point. As he

:00:36.:00:39.

knows, as a result of the changes we are making, it will not be

:00:39.:00:43.

possible in future to overrule such decisions, because we have now got

:00:43.:00:46.

rid of those regional targets. We're giving much more authority

:00:47.:00:50.

and many more decision-making powers to those local bodies. Our

:00:50.:00:53.

planning reforms will make sure that local people and their

:00:54.:00:57.

councils decide what it is that people need, and how we meet that

:00:57.:01:02.

need. Mr Speaker, is the Prime Minister worried that the scandal

:01:02.:01:07.

of misselling in this country has just got a lot worse? Even the

:01:07.:01:11.

previous broken guarantees to the public, the Prime Minister is now

:01:11.:01:16.

rejecting a vote on these latest European changes. He has miss sold

:01:16.:01:20.

the issue to the public at large. Will the Prime Minister give a

:01:20.:01:22.

guarantee to this House that there will be the opportunity for the

:01:22.:01:25.

British people to deliver its verdict on the changes which are

:01:25.:01:29.

happening in Europe? What this government has given is something

:01:29.:01:33.

which no previous government has done in this country, which is, we

:01:33.:01:36.

passed a law which means that if ever this government or any future

:01:36.:01:40.

government or any future House of Commons tries to pass powers from

:01:40.:01:44.

Westminster to Brussels, it has to ask the British people in a

:01:44.:01:49.

referendum first. There would have had to have been a referendum on

:01:49.:01:53.

Lisburn or Amsterdam or any of the other treaties. So, the fact that

:01:53.:01:56.

people feel so betrayed by what happened under the last government,

:01:56.:02:05.

that cannot happen again. Small and medium-sized enterprises are the

:02:05.:02:08.

engine of the economy in my constituency and will play an

:02:08.:02:12.

important part in our economic recovery. Will the Prime Minister

:02:12.:02:16.

acknowledge that a key factor in achieving growth is to take action

:02:16.:02:20.

in Britain's interest to tackle and reduce the huge regulatory burdens

:02:20.:02:27.

on small companies, so many of which come from Europe? I think the

:02:27.:02:32.

Honourable Lady makes an important point. We have got to start in our

:02:32.:02:36.

own back yard to stop this over regulation. That is why we have the

:02:36.:02:40.

red tape challenge, with every rule being put on the Internet, so that

:02:40.:02:45.

people can show how little we need to keep. We have got a one in, one

:02:45.:02:49.

out rule for every minister, they cannot introduce a regulation

:02:49.:02:53.

without getting rid of the regulation. But we have got a major

:02:53.:02:57.

breakthrough, that businesses employing less than 10 people will

:02:57.:03:01.

not be subject to a European regulation from 2010 onwards. It

:03:01.:03:09.

shows that if you make the arguments, you can win them.

:03:09.:03:12.

Prime Minister today has refused to accept that women and children will

:03:12.:03:20.

bear the brunt of his failed economic policy. No wonder he

:03:20.:03:26.

continues to turn off women. Will he accept the Treasury's own

:03:26.:03:30.

figures, that 100,000 more children will be living in poverty as a

:03:30.:03:37.

result of his policies? What I would say to the Honourable Lady is,

:03:37.:03:41.

how on earth does it advantage women and children to pile them up

:03:41.:03:46.

with debt after debt after debt, that they then have to pay back? We

:03:46.:03:51.

have been standing here for 33 minutes, all we have heard his

:03:51.:03:55.

proposals for tax reductions, for spending increases, for reforms

:03:55.:03:59.

they would not go ahead with, for scrapping the changes to public

:03:59.:04:02.

sector pensions... They would take those women and children that we

:04:02.:04:07.

are concerned about, pile them high with debt and let them live under

:04:07.:04:17.
:04:17.:04:18.

that burden for the rest of their days. May I hark back a month, to

:04:18.:04:24.

7th November, when I put forward some suggestions to my Right

:04:24.:04:30.

Honourable Friend for containing the euro crisis, with which he

:04:30.:04:37.

appeared to agree, but none of them, as he will have noticed, have been

:04:37.:04:41.

acted upon by the European Central Bank? May I now expressed to him my

:04:41.:04:49.

belief, therefore, that the alternative policy, of a fiscal

:04:49.:04:54.

union, will, as my Honourable Friend the member for the New

:04:54.:05:01.

Forest has already said, pose a great threat to the whole of the

:05:01.:05:09.

liberty of Europe? It will inevitably make Germany still more

:05:09.:05:19.
:05:19.:05:20.

dominant. Can the Germans be persuaded to study the reason for

:05:20.:05:30.
:05:30.:05:30.

the Boston tea Party? Because... Because no taxation, without

:05:30.:05:40.
:05:40.:05:45.

representation, is the bastion of freedom. As ever... We have heard

:05:45.:05:50.

the question. We now want to hear the Prime Minister's answer.

:05:50.:05:53.

ever, the leader of the House speaks with great knowledge and

:05:53.:05:59.

wisdom and foresight. What I would say to him is, the reason that he

:05:59.:06:02.

and I do not want to join the single currency is that we would

:06:02.:06:07.

not be prepared to put up with being told what our debt and our

:06:08.:06:11.

deficit and everything else should be, that's why we do not want to

:06:11.:06:15.

join. The point I would make is that if the countries of the

:06:15.:06:19.

eurozone want to make their system work, then it is clear that fiscal

:06:19.:06:22.

rules are one thing they may need, but that will not be enough without

:06:22.:06:27.

proper competitiveness, and the full-hearted intervention and

:06:27.:06:30.

support of the institutions of the eurozone, including the European

:06:31.:06:34.

Central Bank. But it is a decision which those eurozone countries have

:06:34.:06:44.
:06:44.:06:54.

. The frontbench bench exchanges were on Europe and the economy. Mr

:06:54.:06:57.

Miliband split his questions in half. Half on Europe and half on

:06:57.:07:02.

the economy. He didn't get far on the economy, but he did get quite a

:07:02.:07:05.

way on Europe putting the Prime Minister on the back foot by asking

:07:05.:07:11.

a question which was what powers he would repatriate or attempt to get

:07:11.:07:15.

back from the Brussels summit. The Prime Minister never really

:07:15.:07:18.

recovered from that. On the economy, one thing that wasn't mentioned was

:07:18.:07:23.

the figures today, industrial production for the UK out for

:07:23.:07:33.
:07:33.:07:37.

That's quite a big decline in production. Looks like

:07:37.:07:41.

manufacturing is in recession. viewers picked up on your first

:07:41.:07:44.

point, dissatisfied with David Cameron's answers on Britain's

:07:44.:07:49.

position, as far as the EU is concerned. This one says, very

:07:49.:07:52.

clever questions on the euro from Ed Miliband, and the Prime

:07:52.:07:56.

Minister's answers were weak. He simply did not have any answers,

:07:56.:08:00.

because he cannot defend his own policies. Good luck to Chris

:08:00.:08:05.

Grayling, having to defend him, says this one. This one says,

:08:05.:08:10.

predictable that Ed Miliband would bang his drum about Brussels. I

:08:10.:08:14.

think this will be continued in the coming days, to divide the Liberals

:08:14.:08:19.

and Conservatives. Cameron looked really rattled, this one says. This

:08:19.:08:23.

one says, from Birmingham, David Cameron says there is one party,

:08:23.:08:27.

one government, protecting Britain's interests - I thought it

:08:27.:08:32.

was a coalition. Does Nick Clegg agree? Colin says, once again,

:08:32.:08:37.

David Cameron is not answering the questions, he is at the mercy of

:08:37.:08:41.

the eurozone 17, and he knows he is between a rock and hard place. This

:08:41.:08:46.

one from Highgate says, a fairly even tussle this week, a confident

:08:46.:08:51.

performance from David Cameron, who was not caught out as he was by

:08:51.:08:54.

Miliband's questions on youth unemployment. And this one says,

:08:54.:09:00.

the opposition front bench are duplicitous lot. They have the

:09:01.:09:04.

affront to criticise this government, it says. I get the

:09:05.:09:08.

sense that the Prime Minister is in some trouble over Europe, and

:09:08.:09:11.

that's the reason why he thought he had to wait in the Times this

:09:11.:09:17.

morning, sounding tough, setting up a few straw men to knock down. But

:09:17.:09:21.

as Ed Miliband shows, it does not get him around this major problem,

:09:21.:09:25.

that he used to talk about repatriation, and now he does not

:09:25.:09:28.

even use the word. There is no doubt that there was a gulf between

:09:28.:09:32.

what he thinks is the right think to do at this summit, and what many

:09:32.:09:38.

of his own party think. He believes that trying to help the eurozone

:09:38.:09:41.

countries save the euro is primarily in Britain's interest,

:09:41.:09:47.

and that he might just be able to get the odd safeguard inserted in

:09:47.:09:50.

as the price of being co-operative, and that's about it. Many of his

:09:50.:09:54.

backbenchers, many in his party, think this is a once-in-a-lifetime

:09:54.:09:58.

moment to say, the euro has failed, the project has failed, Britain

:09:58.:10:02.

should pull back from it, not necessarily leave, but renegotiate

:10:02.:10:06.

its entire position. Yes, the reason he was frankly long-winded

:10:07.:10:11.

in his first answer today, the reason, when I did a clip with him

:10:11.:10:16.

yesterday, frankly, I could not make head or tail of it at the end

:10:16.:10:20.

of the first answer, was because the Prime Minister is trying to

:10:20.:10:25.

cover that base at one minute, and another base at a different minute.

:10:25.:10:29.

What is he trying to do? He is trying to not look weak before

:10:29.:10:33.

European countries, trying not to look weak before his own

:10:33.:10:37.

backbenchers, while simultaneously trying not to upset his coalition

:10:37.:10:42.

partners. You can just say, that's life, every Prime Minister has had

:10:42.:10:46.

this. Many Tory backbenchers say, why does he not behave like

:10:46.:10:53.

Margaret Thatcher? To get our money back, to use the phrase, but that

:10:53.:10:57.

would be fertility forgetting that she signed away the British veto in

:10:57.:11:02.

order to create the single market. -- that would be utterly forgetting.

:11:02.:11:06.

The idea that there is some model of a Prime Minister who has never

:11:06.:11:12.

made compromises in Europe is nonsense. Here's a prediction - Mr

:11:12.:11:15.

Cameron will go to the European summit, the French and Germans will

:11:15.:11:18.

get some version of what they want, in which the British will have

:11:18.:11:25.

close to zero input, there will be largely spectators, and Mr Cameron

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will come back without a single repatriated power. We will find out

:11:29.:11:35.

next week. But my view is that David Cameron is going into a

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treaty, like a poker player. The last thing you do before poker is

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lay your cards on the table. Anybody who was expecting him to

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say in fine detail today, this is precisely what I aim to achieve,

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would have been wrong. But he gave a very clear message, not just

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about safeguarding the financial services industry, but about his

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intent to bring back to the House of Commons powers of regulation

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over what is one of our crucial industries. That was a clear

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statement of intent. Mr Cameron is going in to this summit to bring

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back powers over financial regulation? That is what he said in

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the House of Commons. Or is it just that he does not want to transfer

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more powers? The Times article did not talk about repatriation at all.

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You talk about the poker player, but six weeks ago, when Parliament

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debated whether we should have a referendum on Europe, David Cameron

:12:28.:12:33.

was very clear that he wanted to repatriate certain powers. So, he

:12:33.:12:39.

has changed position in those six weeks. The words were clear,

:12:39.:12:45.

bringing back powers from Brussels to Westminster, all three remain

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Conservative Party policy, and all three are in the national interest.

:12:49.:12:52.

Six weeks is a long time in politics. But I will not take

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lessons from the Labour Party. They promised a referendum, they did not

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give it to us. And you signed up to Maastricht. But I am not trying to

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give your lessons. I'm just saying, that six weeks ago, the Prime

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Minister said one thing, but now, it is a different story. You're

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saying that the Prime Minister want to repatriate powers about

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financial services, but he did not say that today. Is this news to

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you? I heard him talking about a greater role for the House of

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Commons in regulating financial services. The it is something which

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none of us know. Chris Grayling is saying something I did not know.

:13:30.:13:34.

The question is, what does he mean by talking about greater regulation

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of the financial industry? We have heard about the Robin Hood tax and

:13:38.:13:44.

things like that. We know that. This is much more to do with the

:13:44.:13:49.

rules of the European single market being used potentially by the 17

:13:49.:13:53.

members of the euro club, in a way that is either not consciously or

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deliberately designed to damage the City of London. There is an example

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recently, I forget the exact financial instrument, but there was

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a new regulation saying that this particular transaction could only

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take place within the eurozone, and it so happened that 80% of the

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existing transactions happened in London. It is that kind of rather

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detailed thing, but which involves important jobs going from here to

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abroad. It would seem to me that the Labour Party would agree with

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the Prime Minister on that kind of thing. The Prime Minister said that

:14:27.:14:31.

in the area of financial services, he said, I want to make sure we

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have more power and control in the UK to determine these things. Does

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that mean repatriation of powers? It is exactly what he said.

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understand that that is is in general government policy, or at

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least, Conservative Party policy, because they are worried that the

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French and Germans are out to put regulations on financial services

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which would, above all, affect the City. I can understand that. But I

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did not take it that he's going to this summit to do that, that he's

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going to say, if I do not get this, I will not let you former fiscal

:15:16.:15:20.

union in the eurozone. Do you think that is what he's going to do?

:15:20.:15:24.

don't know how the negotiations will pan out. But I interpreted

:15:24.:15:30.

what he said as a statement of clear intent about control of the

:15:30.:15:35.

financial services industry. this summit... As I said, when you

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going to a poker game, you do not put all of your cards on the table

:15:38.:15:45.

up front. But the problem, I would suggest, is that in a sense, the

:15:45.:15:48.

British Prime Minister, wants to play a different poker game from

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all of the other poker games which are being played. The rest of

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Europe, including those outside the eurozone, do not see this as a

:15:57.:16:00.

summit about changing financial regulation, or repatriating powers,

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the rest of Europe sees this as probably the last chance to save

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the eurozone and stop Europe going That's right. But there are some

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allies for the Prime Minister in wanting to be a desession of all 27

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countries and not just the 17. Britain is one of ten countries

:16:19.:16:24.

that are not in. Most of the others are what are called irritateingly

:16:24.:16:28.

in Europe pre-ins. Countries that are legally bound, have said they

:16:28.:16:34.

will one day... Like Poland. Like Poland and Sweden, indeed, but who

:16:34.:16:37.

are not yet in. Some of those countries do want to make sure that

:16:37.:16:41.

what doesn't happen today or tomorrow and the next day that the

:16:41.:16:47.

17 go off on their own, can take decisions that affect everybody

:16:47.:16:50.

else which no one else has any say on. What David Cameron will think

:16:50.:16:54.

he can win allies for is ensuring that it stays at the level of the

:16:54.:17:01.

27 and he might be able to say, "My price for putting my signature on

:17:01.:17:07.

that document is some generalised protection for the financial

:17:07.:17:14.

services industry." One mechanism, but there is something call an

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emergency brake mechanism, the French have used it, the British

:17:18.:17:23.

haven't where any leader can say, "This actually goes to the heart of

:17:23.:17:26.

my strategic national interests, I need to stop this process going

:17:26.:17:31.

on." Now even if something is under qualified majority, in other words,

:17:31.:17:35.

you can get outvoted. This is one of the techniques which might be

:17:35.:17:45.
:17:45.:17:48.

used to protect the City. FT Dutch Land quotes that the

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demands of David Cameron are unachievable and the Governmentan

:17:52.:17:58.

Government considers the idea that the City should be exempt from

:17:58.:18:03.

financial regulation is unaccomplishable. So we shall see.

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We have got to fight, David Cameron has got to fight to keep the

:18:10.:18:15.

national interests m It is making sure that the eurozone

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crisis doesn't implode. It will keep us busy this weekend.

:18:20.:18:25.

We have to leave it there. I wish you were there instead of me,

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Andrew. That's heartfelt.

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I will be in Brussels for the next two days.

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We can arrange it for you. I'm off to Strasbourg next week.

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Last night Hillary Clinton told the UN had should never be a crime to

:18:41.:18:45.

be gay and while it is illegal to discriminate against anyone because

:18:45.:18:50.

of of their sexuality, it seems in sport, being gay is something to

:18:50.:18:56.

keep quiet about. Ben Cohen is xalging that. -- challenging that.

:18:56.:19:04.

He set up the world's first organisation to highlight bullying

:19:04.:19:08.

with focus on the gay community. Ben will be with us shortly. Here

:19:08.:19:18.
:19:18.:19:25.

is why he says people need to stand It is fact that we hear and see

:19:25.:19:29.

bullying in every day of our children's lives, especially at

:19:29.:19:34.

school. We We know and understand the devastating effects it has on

:19:34.:19:37.

young children today. We hear about it every day in the media, and we

:19:37.:19:43.

have to act now and do something to stop it.

:19:43.:19:46.

These day, it is not just about a note around the classroom anymore,

:19:46.:19:50.

like it was when I was at school. We know that cyber bullying is

:19:50.:19:55.

getting more and more widespread. There are thousands of days of

:19:55.:20:00.

education being missed each year as young people are too afraid to go

:20:00.:20:06.

to school. Health suffers and long- term emotional damage is caused. It

:20:06.:20:14.

is cruel and unnecessary and I'm here to do something about it.

:20:14.:20:19.

I created the Stand Up Foundation to combat bullying across-the-board,

:20:19.:20:23.

but I want to ask everyone - children, parents and teachers to

:20:23.:20:28.

stand up against these bullies. I understand how bull young can tear

:20:28.:20:32.

families apart. It happened to my family when my father was killed

:20:32.:20:42.
:20:42.:20:43.

eleven years ago. We all need to be aware when

:20:43.:20:47.

bullying is taking place, but more importantly, feel that the

:20:47.:20:51.

necessary support is there to make it stop. Try and notice those

:20:51.:20:55.

people around you who are struggling with being perceived to

:20:55.:21:00.

be different every day. Are they suffering at the hands of bullies?

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You can do something about it. Do something today - stand up and make

:21:07.:21:17.
:21:17.:21:18.

Well, Ben Cohen is here now. You cut short your rugby career, to

:21:18.:21:28.

start up this foundation? In 2005 my dad got killed when he stood up

:21:28.:21:38.
:21:38.:21:42.

to protect someone and he got attacked and lost his life. My

:21:42.:21:47.

family are an accepting family and for me it was about being in a

:21:47.:21:51.

privileged position to make a difference, and being a successful

:21:51.:21:55.

sportsman that I could bridge that gap between the gay and the

:21:55.:21:58.

straight community and bring awareness as to what bullying does.

:21:58.:22:03.

Do you think the fear of it actually stops gay sports people

:22:03.:22:07.

coming into top level sport? At an early stage, most definitely. It is

:22:07.:22:11.

the same within school. Bullying in school too, that people don't want

:22:11.:22:18.

to go to school. It is easier not to go to school. And find ways of

:22:18.:22:23.

not going to PE lessons or your junior club rugby or football. It

:22:23.:22:27.

deters them not to do that and it is easier not to do that. There are

:22:27.:22:32.

thousands of days that are missed through people playing truancy

:22:32.:22:36.

because it is easier to get told off than getting bullied.

:22:36.:22:40.

What more can be done to encourage people to come out and feel feeltry

:22:40.:22:44.

and to stop the bullying? I would like to see support and I would

:22:44.:22:50.

like to see youngsters, young people, whether in lower school,

:22:50.:22:53.

upper middle school or university actually understand what bullying

:22:53.:22:58.

does. There is a support mechanism, in schools, do they know the route

:22:58.:23:03.

to go down if someone is getting buddied or if they are -- bullied

:23:03.:23:10.

or if they are getting bullied themselves. Sometimes it leads to

:23:11.:23:13.

them being on the mental health register, the fact they have been

:23:13.:23:21.

bullied so bad that they can't get jobs because they have mental

:23:21.:23:25.

health issues. Schools are supposed to take this

:23:25.:23:29.

seriously, and are making in roads on this. You are working with the

:23:29.:23:35.

Government on this? I am working with the Government and to

:23:35.:23:38.

highlight bullying. There is a lot of sportsmen and women around the

:23:38.:23:41.

world, specifically in the UK and in the US that actually sportsmen

:23:41.:23:46.

and women are role models, whether they like it or don't like it, you

:23:46.:23:50.

know, people follow their actions and it is important, as I know,

:23:50.:23:55.

being a rugby player and having been successful, people look up to

:23:55.:24:00.

me and that's why I started the Stand Up Foundation, people can

:24:00.:24:03.

follow my actions and stand up for the people who are getting picked

:24:03.:24:07.

on at school and I have got twin girls and I want to bring my kids

:24:07.:24:13.

into a safer place and a kinder world especially within education.

:24:13.:24:17.

Chris Grayling, Hillary Clinton said last night it shouldn't be a

:24:17.:24:22.

crime to be gay. Aren't It sad that we are still talking about this in

:24:22.:24:27.

2011? Bullying is about more than that. In sport, it is unacceptable.

:24:27.:24:35.

There is a culture in the sporting world that picks and discriminates

:24:35.:24:39.

the gay. If you look at bullying in the workplace more generally, I

:24:39.:24:44.

have had a number of cases over the years of people saying, "I have

:24:44.:24:47.

been bullied in the workplace." That's a challenge. I praise Ben

:24:47.:24:51.

for what he is doing. The more we can raise awareness of bullying,

:24:51.:24:57.

the better. I have got shock news for you.

:24:57.:25:03.

Politicians may come across as remote, humourless, yes they do.

:25:03.:25:08.

They are fully formed human beings who curl up on the sofa on a

:25:08.:25:11.

Saturday night and watch The X Factor or Strictly Come Dancing.

:25:11.:25:15.

How do I know this? Because they don't just watch these

:25:15.:25:21.

programmes, they use Twitter to let the rest of us know they are they

:25:21.:25:29.

are watching, like we care. Why would they do that? Here is Adam.

:25:29.:25:33.

Welcome to Strictly Come Tweeting. MPs cannot get enough of tweeting

:25:33.:25:38.

about their favourite Saturday night reality TV shows. Take these

:25:38.:25:44.

messages from Harriet Harman. My favourite on Strictly Come

:25:44.:25:47.

Dancing, is Harry. Minutes later she switched to the

:25:47.:25:53.

other side to choose her favourites in another programme.

:25:53.:25:57.

But some MPs are less enthusiastic about their tweeting. To To make

:25:57.:26:02.

sure they have the right balance of zaniness and seriousness like

:26:02.:26:12.

Labour's Stella Creasy. 268 pieces of case work, The X

:26:12.:26:15.

Factor and some food. There are those who question why

:26:15.:26:24.

these MPs want to quote themselves in the stardust like Tim Montgomery.

:26:24.:26:33.

Some wondering if Ed Balls is genuine in his X Factor tweets.

:26:33.:26:39.

So MPs, keep tweeting! LAUGHTER

:26:39.:26:41.

You have got your paddles there from Strictly. We're going to ask

:26:41.:26:47.

you to vote. How convinced are you are you these tweeters are genuine

:26:47.:26:53.

fans. Let's play Strictly Come Treating.

:26:53.:27:00.

-- Tweeting. Sorry to see MishaB go out.

:27:01.:27:06.

How convinced were you? I know that he genuinely does like

:27:06.:27:14.

I know that he genuinely does like He loves it. He loves it.

:27:14.:27:19.

David Miliband has been talking about his favourite band on The X

:27:19.:27:29.
:27:29.:27:31.

Factor. I have no idea whether these people

:27:31.:27:35.

watch it. Here is the third tweet from Louise

:27:35.:27:45.
:27:45.:27:50.

She used to be in the record business!

:27:50.:27:58.

True. . She was political enough not to

:27:58.:28:00.

say who that band were. Doesn't it always end in tears when

:28:00.:28:03.

politicians try to show they are in politicians try to show they are in

:28:03.:28:06.

touch with popular culture? I do tweet.

:28:06.:28:13.

Your Your tweets are the most boring!

:28:13.:28:19.

I'm going to a meeting of Local Government finance. Why do you

:28:19.:28:22.

think we want to know that you are going to a meeting on Local

:28:22.:28:25.

Government finance? That's what I was doing!

:28:25.:28:30.

We have run out of time. It is time to give you the answer to Guess The

:28:30.:28:39.

Year. Rupert Murdoch buying the News of the World, do you remember

:28:39.:28:44.

the year? It was 1979. That's it for today. Thanks to our guests.

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