13/06/2012 Daily Politics


13/06/2012

Andrew Neil and Jo Coburn are joined by Conservative Party deputy chairman Michael Fallon, the shadow justice secretary Sadiq Khan and Conservative peer Baroness Newlove.


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Morning folks. This is the Daily Politics.

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Today's top story: Tensions in the coalition as the

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Lib Dems say they won't back Culture Secretary Jeremy Hunt in a

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Commons vote on his handling of Nick Clegg twists the knife and

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tells the Leveson Inquiry that he has always kept his distance from

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Rupert Murdoch and other media barons.

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George Osborne says Germany should stump up to shore up the eurozone,

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but suggests it may take a Greek exit from the euro to persuade

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Angela Merkel. And can new alcohol zones stop

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alcohol fuelled violence? We'll hear from the community campaigner

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Helen Newlove whose husband Gary was killed by drunken yobs. I work

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with ten areas across the country who have access to �1 million

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funding, bringing communities together to drive down anti-social

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behaviour through problem drinking. All that to come before 1pm. Of

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course, Prime Minister's Questions at noon. This will be the first one

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in three weeks. With us for the duration deputy chairman of the

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Conservative Party Michael Fallon and Labour's Sadiq Khan, the shadow

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I can't speak. We're also joined by the Lib Dem MP,

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Jo Swinson. Who has been doing the rounds of other networks this

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morning! Welcome to the Daily Politics.

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Let's kick off with the split inside the coalition over the

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future of Jeremy Hunt. Yes and his handling of the News Corporation

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bid for BSkyB. Last night the Liberal Democrats announced they

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would not vote with the Conservatives to back Mr Hunt.

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Instead, they will abstain lead to go headlines in the papers this

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morning about a coalition at war. This morning Jeremy Hunt looked

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relaxed as he left his home in Central London with his bike. There

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is the little backpack. The Conservative whips are taking

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the vote seriously by ordering one MP to cut his honeymoon short and

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to return to Westminster. You may wonder why given that he a two week

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recess, that he could have had the holiday earlier. Is this an act of

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Lib Dem trecherry? This is an op opposition day. It is disappointing

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the Liberal Democrats aren't going to turn up, but that's a matter for

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them. They want to make clear they are not involved in this argument

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about News International or the Leveson Inquiry or whatever and it

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would have been nice to have had them voting with us, but it is

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understandable. So you are relaxed? They won't back

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you down when the chips are down? They have backed on us on getting

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the deficit down and making this a fairer country. Let's be fair to

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the Liberal Democrats, on these tough decision, they have stood

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with us shoulder-to-shoulder. This isn't one of the big tough decision.

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This is a matter of party politics. Labour have chose tonne put a

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motion down and it is up to the Liberal Democrats to decide whether

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to take a party political view or not.

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Solicitor you will still be -- so you will just be as inclined to

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vote for Lib Dem plans on Lords reform?

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Well, these are Government plans for Lords reform.

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It doesn't diminish your enthusiasm? Lords reform is a

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tricky Bill. It is a tricky issue, but the Government as a whole is

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committed to bringing forward proposals.

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Jo Swinson, the Lib Dem policy, you want an independent investigation

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into Jeremy Hunt's handling of the BSkyB affair, is that right?

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think that that that would have been the right thing. The Prime

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Minister is the person who gets to make that decision. It is his

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decision alone. It is your policy.

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We think that should have been the decision.

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Isn't that what the Labour vote would give you? It wouldn't.

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but they are calling for that. Is that right, they are calling - well,

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I ask you, do you want an independent investigation? We do.

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They put a motion down. They want what your policy is, why don't you

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vote for it? Well, they know that passing their motion doesn't change

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the decision that has been made. But why not vote for it? Apart from

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anything else, it is an opportunistic move by a Labour

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Party who found this viewpoint. When they were in Government, they

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didn't abide by this code or these suggestions.

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Your policy is an independent investigation, Labour is putting a

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motion down calling for an independent investigation. Explain

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to our viewers why you wouldn't vote for for something that is your

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party's policy? It is a party political opposition day motion.

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Voting for that would not make it happen. We've made our views

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clear... It would change the principle? We have made our views

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clear on your programme and elsewhere. We have made it clear

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that we disagree with that decision that was taken. As a result, we

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will not be joining the Conservatives in the lobby tonight

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because that wasn't a decision that was taken as a coalition wide

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agreement. So why don't you join with Labour

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who are advocating the policy you told our viewers that you stand

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for? It doesn't deliver. There maybe more of a chance of

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delivering if you voted for. If you voted for it and it went through,

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it would pressure on the Government. The decision has been taken.

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your principle decision is to sit on your hands? We are taking part

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in the debate. Don Foster will be setting out the Liberal Democrat

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position. Sadiq Khan I'm lost. You explain

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what to do. There are other other devices open to us to persuade the

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Prime Minister. In the past, when we were in Government, when

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opposition day debates were won by the opposition, we changeted our

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policy. A good examples was the Ghurkhas, we lost that vote and the

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policy changed. And the threat of a vote on BSkyB

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forced News Corp to withdraw. So try and convince her because I've

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failed. For Jo to call me opportunistic is a badge of pride!

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The reality is this Jo, we are not concluding that Jeremy Hunt is

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guilty. Nor are we.

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We are saying there is this ministerial quote which was beefed-

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up by this new generation Prime Minister with a new generation

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Deputy Prime Minister. This is the new politics. Serious allegations

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have been made about his special advisers who, because he

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overstepped the mark, took the decision to resign. The buck

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shouldn't stop with him. There is an allegation about misleading

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Parliament which is serious. Jeremy Hunt wasn't exonerate d at the

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Leveson Inquiry. We are saying, "there is this guy who is paid

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�20,000 a year, many more of your constituents earn, he is

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investigating Baroness Warsi, he is he is twiddling his thumbs, why not

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allow him the opportunity to earn his crust and investigate Jeremy

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Hunt." That's what should have been decided. There is two issues. When

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you say that Jeremy Hunt hasn't been exonerated. On how he dealt

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with the bid, he has given a good account of what he did.

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It is about the issues to do the Ministerial Code, about the issue

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about special advisers. If you think he has been exonerated

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why why do you want an independent investigation? There are two issues.

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There is the issue about whether he took independent advice and how he

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dealt with the BSkyB, but there is the issue about who his special

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adviser was doing and whether that line was overstepped. There are

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questions that remain. I'm not saying that means that he has

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broken the Ministerial Code, but an independent investigation would

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have been a good thing. Questions which will never be answered

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because you haven't got the guts to vote with him.

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Jo, by you not supporting the Conservative Party and let's be

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clear, our motion has been signed by the other opposition parties,

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but you are not in opposition, you are in Government, because you have

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not supported the Conservative Party, you are questioning the

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decision of David Cameron. David Cameron said, "I think he is in the

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clear." Questioning his judgement. We can disagree.

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I have done my best and cause trouble, but I have failed! We

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I don't know if you have completely failed.

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Nick Clegg is giving evidence to the Leveson Inquiry this morning.

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Here a flavour of what he has been saying.

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Two occasions only when I think you met with Rupert Murdoch. The first

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is the 16th December 2009. Yes. That was a dinner, Rebekah Brooks

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so was it just four of you? No. No. No. There were a large number of

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people there. As it happened I was at the very end of the table where

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the children sit so to speak! LAUGHTER

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And didn't have, I only had very fleeting interaction with Rupert

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Murdoch before the dinner and as I said goodbye at the end.

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Thank you. I was an observer as much as

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anything else. How candid of him. Well, that was

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Nick Clegg talking about his less than cosy relationship with Rupert

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Murdoch. Now, I mean, Jo Swinson, let me come to you about that issue.

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Without wanting to be too rude. I mean he was at the kids end of the

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table, Nick Clegg. Is the reason for that that the Lib Dems have

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never been regarded as important enough to be anywhere else and

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that's why you have never been corrupted? We certainly haven't had

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the cosy relationship with the Murdochs that I have to say say my

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two colleagues here, their parties have had as we have seen as has

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come out in the Leveson Inquiry. We have had a record for years calling

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for better regulation, the culture media and sport recommendations

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were ignored by the past Government. I am delighted we have the Leveson

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Inquiry to look into these issues which are important and need to be

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addressed. But that wasn't the question I

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asked. Is the reason that you haven't been corrupted is because

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no one felt the need to corrupt you? Well, of course, there hasn't

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been the courting of the Liberal Democrats that the other parties

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have experienced, but you know, certainly, you know, we are in the

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coalition Government and since that time have not, even though we have

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been in a position of significant power have not still succumbed to

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the courting that others have had. But the important thing is that we

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get some justice and improved situation, not actually about

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politicians because this isn't about politicians. This is about

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the general public and the faith they can have in the media and

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particularly in how it deals with ordinary members of the public.

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say it is not about politicians, but there has been no shortage of

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party leaders and former former Prime Ministers at Leveson Inquiry

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and Gordon Brown and Ed Miliband took about the culture of briefing

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or lack at lack of it. Did you authorise your aides to

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brief against Mr Blair? Do you think they may have done

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without your knowledge knowledge? If they did so it was without my

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authorisation. When I was a Cabinet Minister I did

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raise a concern that I had with Mr Brown. I believe in September 2008

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about some of Mr McBride's activities.

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Ed Miliband there. Sadiq Khan, do you believe Gordon Brown when he

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says, "I did not authorise any briefings against Tony Blair.".

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heard the evidence of Ed Miliband who spoke from personal experience

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and I can't contradict what Ed Miliband said.

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No, do you believe Gordon Brown when he said, he was asked "did you

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ever authorise any briefings against Gordon Brown?" "no.".

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have no personal knowledge. I saw the footage of Ed Miliband and

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Gordon Brown and Michael said, they can't both be right.

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Who do you believe more? I know it is difficult for you, especially

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someone, but who do you believe more? Who do you believe? He says I

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didn't authorise any briefings and he goes on to say, he is asked

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actually Gordon Brown, "what about, special advisers, using the media

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and newspapers to get Tony Blair to step down." "I would hope not.".

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Miliband gave an example and he gave a date. Let viewers conclude

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what they want to conclude. What do you think? Ed Miliband gave

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an example in his personal experience he witnessed it. So it

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it speaks for itself. Do you believe that John Watson

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went to see Gordon Brown and never talked about it? Come on, Andrew.

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How many questions on this. You have heard both... We have got a

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lot more, haven't we? Keep them coming! You might answer one?

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Watson, Ed Miliband, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown give evidence to the

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Leveson Inquiry... Do you believe him? That Tom Watson can visit him

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in the middle of organising a coup and they don't talk about it? Do

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you believe that pigs are flying over this studio? I can't see any.

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You are under oath. Ed Miliband talked about media

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ownership in the evidence. Is this now Labour policy, no company

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should have more than 20 or 30% of the newspaper market share? When he

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floated the idea about the concentration of ownership which

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leads to concentration of power and whether that's healthy in a

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democracy. You have a situation where there is a concentration of

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power in those who own newspapers and there was an attempt for News

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Corp to own BSkyB which can lead to some of the challenges we have seen.

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But that's what Ed Miliband would like to see a cap at 30% and that

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would mean the Murdoch empire selling one newspaper? He didn't

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give a specific figure. He did say not more than 30%?

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know that News Corp own 37%. I think it is 34%. I am not going

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to quibble. It is 34, but they own 37%. When

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there is too much concentration of power.

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I take the point. I am trying to work out how it would work. I think

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it means selling off a newspaper? It means legislation and we have

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had rumours about the Murdochs wanting to sell their media

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interests here and they may decide seeing, the way the wind is going,

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Do you regret that this Leveson Inquiry was set-up? No, it was

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needed to clear the air. Both the two parties got too close to all

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these media empires. We did when we were trying to get into government

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and they did when they were in government. The public needs to be

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reassured that that cannot happen again. Our constituents have better

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redress for themselves when they are targeted by the press. Clearly,

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the regulatory system is not working. It is painful for

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everybody involved and embarrassing. Embarrassing to hear that Gordon

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Brown seems to be in denial about what was happening when he was

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Prime Minister. But Labour were not in power any more and it is more

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embarrassing for the government that is. David Cameron will be

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giving evidence. He is being dragged kicking and screaming. We

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demanded a public inquiry, you said no. You had 13 years to have an

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inquiry into this stuff but you did not. We will learn the lessons from

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it. We will see if we can come up with a better regulatory system for

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our politicians and constituents. Say you're going to take the

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warnings from the previous prime ministers? We are going to see what

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Leveson reports. We will see when it comes out in the autumn.

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Greece is going back to the polls on Sunday after the last set of

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elections failed to produce a conclusive result. Last night, the

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Chancellor George Osborne talk about the prospect of the exit from

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the Greek Euros. He said so far the response to the crisis had been

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depressing. Spain's borrowing costs have risen despite the bail-out of

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its bank this weekend. Jo are you depressed? Not exactly optimistic.

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Five days on from the Spanish bail out and the eurozone crisis is

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rumbling on. On Saturday, the eurozone countries handed Spain's

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banks 100 billion euros to stabilise the economy. But it has

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not convinced the markets and there are signs the contagion could

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spread to Italy where the cost to the government of borrowing for ten

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years peaked at 6%. Last night, the Chancellor George Osborne said the

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bail out seemed to be too little, too late. He suggested that the

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eurozone should press on with deeper integration in order to

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shore itself up. Yesterday, the European Commission President Jose

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Manuel Baroso proposed a banking union across the euro. It looks

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like the German Bundesbank will block that plan but George Osborne

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said Germany should agree to stand behind the entire eurozone that it

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might take Greece leaving the road to persuade Angela Merkel to stump

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up more German cash. Thank you, that did sign a -- sound

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quite depressing. Jo Swinson has gone, she will be at PMQs and we'll

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be live there at 12 o'clock. Michael Fallon, just clarify, is it

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British government policy that the eurozone has to be retained intact

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in its current membership? policy is that the eurozone has got

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to sort itself out. We cannot go on like this. I understand that.

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have got to sort themselves out. But does that sort itself out with

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all the members or with a reduced membership? With all the members,

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clearly. What cannot go one that is grees 1/2 in, half out, this

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uncertainty which is damaging our economy going month after month,

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summit after summit. But when you opposed Britain's membership of the

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eurozone and you did not oppose the idea of the eurozone covering the

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countries that it did, you said this is not an optimal currency

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area, it cannot work with all these different countries in it, they do

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not have the same economies. If you thought that them, why is your

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policy to keep us together now? They have got to put in place the

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things they did not do at the time. If they want to go on with the

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single currency across the zone then they have to put in place the

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stuff they did not writing at the beginning to allow sufficient

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fiscal transfers between the wealthier ones and the poorer ones,

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to improve the governance of the sector and look after the deposits

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in the bank. Say you want a federal Europe for the eurozone, that is

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your policy? They must decide. We are saying it will not work, you

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cannot have a zone like this working unless you have some kind

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of fiscal transfers. You will end up with bail-out of the bail-out.

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understand that but it is Conservative-led government policy

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to urge the creation of a federal eurozone, a federal government

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eurozone. It they have a semi federal eurozone at the moment.

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They have a single currency. What they have not bottom-placed is a

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fiscal element that can underpin that. If they want to go on with a

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single currency it is obvious they have to put in place some

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arrangements to transfer money from the wealthier countries to the

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poorer countries. Be your government is saying there should

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be a banking union and they should be the debt mutualisation said that

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there are eurozone bombs, that is your government's policy -- bonds.

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What we cannot have is the continuing uncertain seas and a

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constant call for the propping up of weaker countries. We are out of

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the bail out mechanism. Had we stayed in the mechanism we would

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have had to come up with �10 billion sterling, we have saved

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that from being out of the bail out mechanism. What that does not solve

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is the continuing crisis. They have to put in place arrangements to do

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that. In effect, Labour's policies are no different from the

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government's. You think there should be greater integration in

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the USM but we will not be part of it? That is a summary I agree with.

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What we are frustrated by is for eurozone have fallen into the trap

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of being obsessed with just austerity and no plans for growth.

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Michael is right that it is a eurozone problem and it is

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incumbent on the bigger countries in the eurozone, Germany in

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particular, to do more. The ECB should be the Bank of last-resort

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rather than going to the IMF or elsewhere. But if you get a German-

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dominated federal Europe, that inevitably, of which we will not be

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part, that inevitably changes our relationship with Europe. We will

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forever be on the periphery, do you accept that? We will have to wait

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and see. What we cannot have is our closest trading partner going from

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disaster to disaster. We trade the most with them. Even last year, we

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exported huge amounts to the racing countries. If the Spain comes that

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or the contagion spreads, it is catastrophic for the eurozone

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countries but it is disaster for the UK as well. To accept that this

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policy you are both urging results, because I've seen live review thing

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for the foreseeable future we will ever be part of this, that Europe

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will develop with its own currency, a banking union, with eurobonds

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being issued, with the fiscal union, it in effect becomes closer to a

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federal system than ever before and we are not part of it, you are

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happy with that? In the short term we need to ensure the eurozone

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countries do whatever they can to bring about stability. In the

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medium to longer term we want to trade with them and continued to

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trade if not the same, but more. Let's be clear, we cannot stop them.

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You what urging them. We cannot stop them anyway. It is not for us

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to decide whether they have a more federal state. We are saying if

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they want to go ahead with the zone, all the countries have to sort out

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how they will transfer funds from the stronger ones to the weaker

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ones. If they want to give up their currency and give up control of

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their banks, we are saying what they have got to do is recognise

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reality. You cannot have a system that does not complete. You have

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got to be able transfer money from the strong ones to the week. I get

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that. When Downing Street says when it comes to a referendum on Europe,

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quote, that is not something the British people want, where is the

:24:48.:24:52.

evidence for Downing Street saying that? What they want is for it to

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be sorted out. But where is the evidence for Downing Street telling

:24:55.:25:00.

us the British people do not want a referendum? Their priorities are to

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get growth going in this country. But what is the evidence that the

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British people do not want a referendum? When Downing Street

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issued that there was a poll in the Times St 80 % what a referendum.

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What is the evidence for Downing Street St we do not? The issue is

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what is the evidence for Downing Street telling us we do not want a

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referendum? What they want at the moment is for the government to

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focus on getting growth and making sure the his own sorts out its

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problems. There is no evidence that the British public do not want a

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referendum is the answer to your question. I think what Michael was

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trying to say, forgive me, is the policy for us should be to do all

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we can to stimulate jobs and growth in the country, rather than being

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distracted by a campaign for a referendum. Thank you.

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As some of you may know, the European football championships are

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underweight in Poland and the Ukraine. England, I am told, drew

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1-1 against France on Monday night. I am told it is good. Not good

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enough. We want more. What could fire up the team to put a bit of

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fire in their belly? A bit of an incentive to win the next game

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against Sweden on Friday. They will be lucky. What better than the

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will. Let's see if you can remember If I can find collaboration with

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any other parties in the House then I am willing to do that. This is

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Coming up to midday, Prime Minister's Questions starts in a

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few minutes. We are joined by the BBC's political editor Nick

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Robinson. The first PMQs for three weeks. There has been some

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developments from Nick Clegg at the Leveson Inquiry. I'm just told that

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he said Jeremy Hunt gave a good account of how he handled the BSkyB

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bid. It highlights what may be puzzling to people about the Lib

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Dem's position. They will not back Jeremy Hunt today, they will not

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back the Prime Minister's judgment but they are not criticising the

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way he handled the BSkyB bid. They are simply saying there should be

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an investigation. I am lost! think Nick Clegg has always wanted

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to keep his party together and where there are votes which there

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will be split and there are Lib Dem backbenchers who wanted to vote

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against Jeremy Hunt, he would rather they will vote together and

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abstained, rather than some vote against a government minister,

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others abstained, others vote in favour. It is a matter of high

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principle then? An element of party management. An element that he

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genuinely feels passionately. When people say all politicians crept to

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the Murdochs, he wants to say, we did not. We all know why that was.

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No one was interested. No one thinks they matter. I did not say

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that. On the other hand, they can say they have fought against that

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media bias and they have done it for decades and they want to gain

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some credit for saying we are here despite that. A few Ed Miliband, do

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you go on this Leveson media village stuff. We will find out

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I am sure the whole House will wish to pay tribute to the fallen

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servicemen since the House met. Captain Stephen Healey and Michael

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Thacker and Gregg Stone. These were talented, dedicated soldiers who

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made the ultimate sacrifice for the safety of our nation. Our deepest

:30:45.:30:48.

condolences are with their family, friends and colleagues. We will

:30:48.:30:51.

always remember them. This morning, I had meetings with

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ministerial colleagues and others and in addition to my duties in

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this House, I shall have further such meetings today.

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I am sure all members will wish to associate themselves with the Prime

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Minister's tribute. Can the Prime Minister reassure my constituents

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that there will be no policy shift at all in relation to the third

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runway at at Heathrow and this Government will focus on improving

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Heathrow's hub status and displacing some of the short haul

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and less valuable slots elsewhere. First of all, I know this is not

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just a constituency campaign for my honourable friend. It is something

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he feels very powerfully about. The coalition position has not changed.

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Clearly, we must not be blind to two important considerations. One

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is how we expand airport capacity, but how do we make sure that

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Heathrow operates better and we make sure we welcome people better

:31:50.:31:54.

to our country better than at the moment. A lot of progress has been

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made and I congratulate the Home Secretary for the extra resources

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and the people put into doing that important job.

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Can I join the Prime Minister in paying private to Captain Stephen

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Healey and Private Gregg Stone. They served our country with

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dignity and bravery and the co dough lances of the -- condolences

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of the House go to their family and their friends.

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Account Prime Minister tell us why he referred Baroness Warsi, but not

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the Culture Secretary? There. is a difference between the two

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cases. In the case of Baroness Warsi, there has not been a judge-

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led inquiry with witnesses taking evidence under oath to get to all

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of the factual information behind her case and that is why I have

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asked Sir Alex Allen to look at that case, but I have to say I am

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happy with the explanation I have been given by Baroness Warsi. She

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admits to breaking the Ministerial Code. She apologised for breaking

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the Ministerial Code and that's an important point.

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The Prime Minister refers to the Leveson Inquiry, but account Prime

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Minister confirm that in his appearance at the Leveson Inquiry,

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the Culture Secretary was quite properly because it is not the

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remit of the Leveson Inquiry asked a single question about whether he

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misled this House and thereby broke the Ministerial Code.

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The point I would make to the honourable gentleman he asks

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specifically about why I have not referred the case to Sir Alex Allen

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and that's the case. I haven't done that, but I have Sir Alex Allen for

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his advice on the future guidance on judicial decision making which

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is something that he was discussing at the Leveson Inquiry and I will

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be discussing tomorrow as well. And Sir Alex Allen replied to my letter

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and I will put a copy of both letters in the library of the House,

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but the House might want to know what Sir Alex Allen said in reply

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to my letter. He said this "I note your decision in relation to Jeremy

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Hunt adherance to the Ministerial Code which is, of course, a matter

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for you. The fact that there is an ongoing judicial inquiry probing

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and taking evidence under oath means that I do not believe I could

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usefully add to the facts in this case." He goes on to say, he goes

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on to say that he remains available if circumstances should change, but

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those are the views of Sir Alex Allen.

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Mr Speaker, the key issue is who makes the judgement on whether

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there has been a breach of the Ministerial Code? This is what Lord

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Leveson said, "I will not be make ago judgement on whether there has

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been a breach of it. That is simply not my job." That is the job of Sir

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Alex Allen. Now let's take one of the issues that was - Mr Speaker, I

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know they have been well whipped. I can see they have been well well

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whip today! They have -- whipped today! They have got the memo from

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the Prime Minister... They have got the memo from the Prime Minister's

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aide because he is sending memos around. The last one began,

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"comrades." I like the sound of that, Mr

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Speaker. We need a protective wall of sound! Last week we rather dried

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up. Please show sufficient stamina for the full half-hour.

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Now, now, now, Mr Speaker. Let's take one of the issues that was not

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raised at the Leveson Inquiry. The Culture Secretary told this House

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on 25th April and I quote, "I made -- there is no point in the part-

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time chancellor trying to give him the answer before I asked the

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question! I made absolutely no intervention in a quay zi judicial

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process that was at the time was the responsibility of the Business

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Secretary. Yet now we know he wrote a memo to the Prime Minister that

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said, "If we block it, our media sector will suffer for years."

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Account Prime Minister confirm in that answer on 25th April, the

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Culture Secretary was not straight with this House of Commons?

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Well, first of all, let me explain on hour side of the House, comrades

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is a term of endearment! It is not an official title!

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LAUGHTER If I can explain it in that way.

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The point is, all comrades, of course. Look, the point about the

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Ministerial Code is it is the job of the Prime Minister to make the

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judgement about the Ministerial Code and I have made that judgement.

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I have quoted to him, I quoted to him what Sir Alex Allen says and

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Sir Alex Allen is very clear that he couldn't usefully add to the

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facts in this case. Now I'm sorry, I'm sorry that the whole political

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strategy behind his opposition motion has collapsed, but

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nonetheless that is the fact of the case. Now, he asks very

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specifically about the note that the Culture Secretary sent to me on

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19th November and I would refer to him in that note he specifically

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says it would be completely wrong to go against the proper regulatory

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procedures and that's what the truth of what has happened in

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recent days is that the Culture Secretary gave a very full account

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of his actions to the Leveson Inquiry and he demonstrated that

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when it came to the BSkyB bid he took independent advice at every

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part of the process. He followed independent advice at every point

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of the process which is a contrast to how the last Government behaved.

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Mr Speaker, let's be clear about what the Prime Minister is claiming.

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He is claiming when the Culture Secretary told this House I made no

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interventions seeking to influence a judicial decision that a memo to

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the Prime Minister is insignificant document in relation to a decision

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the Government has to make. The first time in political history

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that's the case. If the case is so strong of the Prime Minister, why

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is his deputy not supporting him? Well, first of all, let me read

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what this note said on 19th November. It said this. This is

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from the Culture Secretary and I quote "it would be totally wrong

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for the Government to get involved in a competition issue which has to

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be decided at arm's length." That's what he said. When he got

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responsibility, when he got responsibility for this dossier, he

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behaved in exactly that way. Let me make one point. By the the way the

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whole reason we are discussing this take-over is because the last

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Government changed the law to allow a foreign company to own a British

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broadcasting licence. This is a point, this is a point that they

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conveniently forget. Now, he asked me very specifically about the

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Deputy Prime Minister. Let me be absolutely frank. What What we are

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talking about here is the relationships that Conservative

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politicians and frankly Labour politicians have had over the last

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20 years with with News Corporation, News International and all the rest

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of it. To be fair to the Liberal Democrats, they didn't have that

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relationship and their abstention tonight is to make that point and I

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understand that it is politics. THE SPEAKER: Order. Order. Order.

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The House House must calm down. Order. Mr Ed Miliband.

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I have to say he has reached a new state of delusion I mean really and

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truly! You know, Mr Speaker, he just wants to talk about the past!

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He was - he just wants to talk about the past, Mr Speaker. He was

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the future once! Now, isn't the truth and isn't the

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truth, and isn't the truth the Deputy Prime Minister, the Deputy

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Prime Minister, the Deputy Prime Minister says the bid, says the

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decision should go to the independent adviser. The

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Conservative Chair of the Committee of standards in public life, the

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Conservative chair of the Public Administration Committee says it

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should be referred. The former Chair of the Committee on standards

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in public life says it should be referred. Isn't the truth, the

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reason he won't refer him to the independent adviser is because he

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is scared the Culture Secretary won't be cleared?

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Well, imitation is the sincerist form of flattery. Well, the clear,

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he says we're talking about the past. There are elements of this.

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This whole Leveson Inquiry, the whole problem of the relationship

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between politicians and the press some of it is about the past and we

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had a little insight into that when the former Prime Minister gave

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evidence and he said this. He said, "The one thing I can say definitely,

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the one thing I can say definitely is no one in my position would have

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instructed briefing against a senior minister."

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LAUGHTER I can tell you - perhaps, perhaps,

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perhaps the victims can put their hand up. Any takers? I don't need

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Sir Alex Allen to adjudicate on that one!

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Everyone knows it was the Prime Minister who decided to appoint the

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Culture Secretary to oversee the bid and it is the Prime Minister

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who is clinging on to him now in the face of all the evidence.

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Doesn't he realise it is no longer about the Culture Secretary's

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judgement, it is about the Prime Minister's judgement which is so

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badly flawed even his deputy won't support him.

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Well, I do hope the England football team are better at putting

:42:47.:42:53.

the ball in the back of the net. Look, the point is, it is for the

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adviserer on ministerial standards to discover the facts. My judgement

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is we should let the Culture Secretary get on with organising

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the most important important event which is the Olympics. When we come

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on to the Olympics, let us consider this - if there was an Olympic

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medal for double standards and hypocrisy, the Labour Party would

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be well in the running. I'm really very worried about the

:43:22.:43:25.

conduct of the Education Secretary. In the average classroom he would

:43:25.:43:35.
:43:35.:43:35.

have been excluded by now. He must As we remember those who fell 30

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years ago during the Falklands war, Argentina continues to dispute

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British sovereignty over those islands. Yet Argentina also

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continues to receive loans worth billions of pounds from the World

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Bank of which British taxpayers are a major shareholder. Will the Prime

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Minister join President Obama in instructing his officials to vote

:43:57.:44:01.

against anymore such loans to Argentina?

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I think my honourable friend makes an important point. No British

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taxpayers money is is spent on world banks loans to Argentina. A

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an important point is what happened yesterday which is the Falkland

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islanders decided to hold a referendum. Argentina is trying to

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hide this argument and pretend the views of the of the Falkland

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islanders don't matter, they do matter.

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The Prime Minister said he believes the Leveson Inquiry dealt with the

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relevant issues regarding the Secretary of State for culture,

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media and sport, but it did not deal with section 11 A of the

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financial services and markets Act which deals with market abuse and

:44:52.:44:55.

the passing of information to one party in a market situation which

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is not available to others. Given the hundreds of texts, e-mails and

:45:00.:45:04.

memos in this situation, will he ask the Financial Services

:45:04.:45:07.

Authority to examine the evidence, see whether there has been a breach

:45:08.:45:17.
:45:18.:45:19.

of section 11 A or any other part Clearly there are very strict rules

:45:19.:45:23.

governing all of these areas. The point I would mate to him is there

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is no doubt the special adviser behave wrongly and that is why he

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offered his resignation and white was accepted.

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Mr Speaker, I am sure all members will congratulate the volunteers

:45:34.:45:39.

who raised �6.5 million to recognise the contribution and

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sacrifice in the Second World War by Bomber Command personnel. For

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the memorial to be opened by Her Majesty the Queen on June the 28th.

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But the costs of security on the day have risen sharply and despite

:45:52.:45:56.

necessary constraints on all government expenditure, would my

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right honourable friend consider financial support from the

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government to make sure veterans and their relations are properly

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looked after? I think my honourable friend is

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right to raise this issue. Bomber Command, many people served in

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Bomber Command in the Second World War, many people lost their lives

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and it is right there will be this this -- splendid memorial unveiled

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by Her Majesty the Queen. These memorials tend to be paid for by

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public subscriptions. I will look carefully at what he says. The

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Department for Culture, Media and Sport does have an ability to

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intervene when monuments are done on a national basis. I'm sure the

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Culture Secretary would have been listening carefully.

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Due to top-down government health cuts, South Tees hospitals have had

:46:47.:46:52.

reduced services leaving both hospitals uncertain of their future.

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Would the Prime Minister support his Foreign Secretary who said to a

:46:55.:46:59.

crowd of 4,000 people, that the government NHS cuts are

:46:59.:47:03.

unacceptable? First of all, I would point out

:47:03.:47:08.

that the increases in health spending for his Primary Care Trust

:47:08.:47:13.

is at 2.9 % increase and an �8.2 million increase for the current

:47:13.:47:17.

year. That is what is happening. The only reason more money is going

:47:17.:47:20.

into the health service in his constituency is because this

:47:20.:47:24.

coalition government decided to invest in our NHS, against the

:47:24.:47:28.

advice that we receive from the party opposite who think increases

:47:28.:47:33.

in health spending are irresponsible.

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Question number six, closed question, Mr Philip Hollobone.

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As my honourable friend nose, cabinet meetings are occasionally

:47:41.:47:47.

held outside London, not least so we can get different ministers to

:47:47.:47:51.

meet with different organisations. The Cabinet has met in Bradford,

:47:51.:47:57.

Ipswich, Derby, Cardiff and the Olympic Park. Locations for future

:47:58.:48:02.

meetings will be announced in due course. Were the Cabinet to come to

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Kettering, it would be able to congratulate Kettering Borough

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Council on its pledge to freeze council tax for the next five years

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and to celebrate the Department for Transport's funding for the wedding

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-- widening of the Kettering bypass. Will be right honourable friend

:48:26.:48:30.

agreed to invest in the Midland Mainline which would make a big

:48:30.:48:34.

difference to the Kettering economy? I joined my it honourable

:48:34.:48:38.

friend it in congratulating his Borough Council and it shows what a

:48:38.:48:42.

valuable -- the value for money Conservative councils can provide.

:48:42.:48:47.

We are committed to a lecture find 300 miles of railway routes. That

:48:47.:48:51.

compares with just nine miles which were at a lecture fired under 13

:48:52.:48:56.

years of the last Labour government. There is a large amount of support

:48:56.:49:01.

for the Midland Mainline a lecture vocation. A decision will be made

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and I will listen very carefully to what he says.

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Given that the purpose of the Leveson Inquiry is to get out the

:49:11.:49:14.

unvarnished truth about the unhealthy relationship between some

:49:14.:49:18.

politicians and the media, why do government ministers, including

:49:18.:49:25.

himself, need to be briefed by lawyers and coached by lawyers

:49:25.:49:31.

before attending to give evidence? What ministers I'm sure I doing is

:49:31.:49:35.

you have to be familiarise yourself with a huge amount of evidence

:49:35.:49:39.

going back over seven years. I have provided to the Leveson Inquiry,

:49:39.:49:44.

for instance, all the evidence I can find with meetings of press

:49:44.:49:49.

proprietors and the press going back to 2005. There is a huge

:49:49.:49:52.

amount of information preparation and I think that is entirely

:49:52.:49:56.

appropriate. My constituency has a height

:49:56.:50:00.

recycling rate, the best in the north-west. Does the Prime Minister

:50:00.:50:04.

believe it is right for a huge waste burning incinerated to be

:50:04.:50:08.

built there, an incinerator rejected by the local planning

:50:08.:50:12.

board, overwhelmingly opposed by my constituents and which would

:50:12.:50:15.

involve transporting lorryloads of waste hundreds of miles across the

:50:15.:50:19.

country? Will he do what he can to stop an inappropriate development

:50:19.:50:25.

which surely cannot be called environmentally sustainable?

:50:25.:50:28.

completely understand the honourable lady's concern and she

:50:28.:50:31.

is right to raise this issue. I understand her disappointment that

:50:31.:50:36.

this has been appealed against the local planning board's decision.

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But as she knows, peels like this can be made -- appeals. She can

:50:45.:50:50.

make her views clear. There is a need to take into account the size

:50:50.:50:53.

and scale of any proposed development and also to look at the

:50:53.:50:57.

potential effect of any local communities and I'm sure she will

:50:57.:51:01.

want to make those points. The Prime Minister will be aware of

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the latest British Social attitudes survey showing a record fall in

:51:06.:51:09.

public satisfaction with the NHS. My question is this, I would

:51:09.:51:14.

appreciate an answer, because the Health Secretary would not give one

:51:14.:51:17.

yesterday. Will the Prime Minister intervene to stop the scandal of

:51:17.:51:21.

the NHS having to rely on charitable donations having to fund

:51:21.:51:29.

the purchase of the latest radiotherapy equipment? What I have

:51:29.:51:33.

to say it is this government is putting record sums into the health

:51:33.:51:36.

service, we are increasing the money into the health service but

:51:37.:51:41.

if he wants me to stand here and criticise the volunteers and the

:51:41.:51:45.

charities and the big society that provides so many scanners and great

:51:45.:51:49.

Sheen's for our health service, I will not do that. I think it adds

:51:49.:51:57.

to our health service. There is a 2011 survey of people who used the

:51:57.:52:00.

health service, rather than asking people about their perceptions, and

:52:00.:52:05.

that found 92 % of in-patients rated their overall experience as

:52:05.:52:09.

good, very good or excellent. That is what is happening in our health

:52:09.:52:15.

service and we should be proud of Can I ask the Prime Minister, will

:52:15.:52:18.

the Government go ahead with high speed to, a project which is

:52:18.:52:23.

extremely important to the economy and jobs in the north. If the

:52:23.:52:27.

answer is yes, can I suggest we start laying the track in West

:52:27.:52:32.

Yorkshire first? I am grateful for that enthusiastic endorsement. I

:52:32.:52:42.
:52:42.:52:42.

believe we should go ahead with eight just too. -- H S two. In

:52:42.:52:46.

links to the question asked by his neighbour about Heathrow, there are

:52:46.:52:51.

many flights which could be avoided if we had a network of high-speed

:52:51.:52:54.

rail in our country and I'm keen that we press ahead with it.

:52:55.:52:58.

Before the last general election, the Prime Minister made an

:52:58.:53:03.

important speech condemning crony capitalism with money buying power,

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power fishing for money and a cosy club at the top making decisions at

:53:07.:53:16.

their own interest. Is this not a pitch perfect description of the

:53:16.:53:20.

undignified courting of News Corporation by the Culture

:53:20.:53:24.

Secretary? When will the Prime Minister shows some judgment of

:53:24.:53:29.

this? If they are looking for volunteers for the Olympic team for

:53:29.:53:39.

hypocrisy, it could be the decathlete there. We had 13 years

:53:39.:53:43.

of pyjama parties, christenings, changing the law, sucking up to the

:53:43.:53:51.

Murdochs, honestly, what a load of brass neck!

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Thank you, Mr Speaker. In 44 days' time, the Olympics and Paralympics

:53:58.:54:03.

come to London. Millions of people will be coming to London to enjoy

:54:03.:54:07.

the games. Most of those individuals will be totally

:54:07.:54:11.

dependent on public transport to reach the venues. Will my right

:54:11.:54:16.

honourable friend condemn the Unite union for calling bus strikes and

:54:16.:54:20.

doesn't the silence from the party opposite on this subject speak

:54:20.:54:24.

volumes for that attitude to London? I think my honourable

:54:25.:54:29.

friend was entirely right. If you want an example of crony politics,

:54:29.:54:34.

frankly it is the fact that the party opposite get �5 million from

:54:34.:54:37.

the Unite union and when it comes to this strike that could disrupt

:54:37.:54:42.

the Olympics, absolute silence. Not a word of condemnation. It is not

:54:42.:54:47.

surprising because Unite union did not only give them the money, they

:54:47.:54:55.

pick their leader as well. The patient satisfaction survey

:54:55.:54:59.

results have shown the greatest reduction in patients' satisfaction

:54:59.:55:03.

in the history of the National Health Service. What will the Prime

:55:03.:55:07.

Minister do turnaround perceptions about the failure of the NHS and

:55:07.:55:11.

his government? Are if you look at the King's Fund who carried out

:55:11.:55:17.

this survey, they say this. There is no evidence of a real decline in

:55:18.:55:21.

service quality of performance. That is what the King's Fund say

:55:22.:55:25.

about their own survey. I would put more weight on a survey of people

:55:25.:55:31.

who have been using the NHS and the users of the NHS, 92 % of in-

:55:31.:55:36.

patients, 95 % of outpatients, rated their overall experience as

:55:36.:55:41.

good, very good or excellent. Since the election, there are 4,000 more

:55:41.:55:47.

doctors, mixed-sex accommodation is down 94 %, hospital infections are

:55:47.:55:50.

at their lowest levels since surveillance began and the number

:55:50.:55:55.

of people waiting 18 weeks is also at the lowest level since records

:55:56.:56:00.

began. Average waiting times are down as well. The health service is

:56:00.:56:03.

performing extremely well and we should praise all those who have

:56:03.:56:08.

delivered that performance. The Prime Minister will be aware

:56:08.:56:12.

that there is a current shortage of primary school places across our

:56:13.:56:17.

country. Is particularly acute in Winchester where there are

:56:17.:56:21.

temporary classrooms to accommodate pupils for this September. What is

:56:21.:56:24.

the government doing to help councils in this Goldie and whether

:56:24.:56:28.

he is confident enough is being done to prevent a repeat of this

:56:28.:56:35.

performance when these pupils reach secondary school? -- This Old Year.

:56:35.:56:39.

This is becoming an issue. What the Department for Education has done

:56:39.:56:46.

is put aside �1.4 billion of schools' capital and a further �1.4

:56:46.:56:50.

billion for the subsequent year. There is also the opportunity

:56:50.:56:53.

through free schools to have excellent new schools established

:56:53.:56:57.

in constituencies so we not only get new capacity but it -- we get

:56:58.:57:02.

the competition and choice which I believe will drive up standards.

:57:02.:57:08.

The use of food banks in Plymouth has gone up from 792 nearly 4,000

:57:09.:57:14.

in a year. Is the Prime Minister proud of the fact that changes to

:57:14.:57:18.

his benefit arrangements have caused this to happen? There is no

:57:18.:57:22.

doubt about that. Is he therefore going to stand up and say, that is

:57:22.:57:27.

fine, food banks are lovely. Yes, they are lovely and the people of

:57:27.:57:35.

Plymouth are magnificent but will he... Will he passed the buck on

:57:36.:57:42.

this and go for the gold medal in passing the buck as he has...

:57:42.:57:45.

Prime Minister. First of all that may join her in praising the people

:57:46.:57:50.

of Plymouth who do you huge amount for their neighbours and members of

:57:50.:57:54.

their community. That is all for the good. Yes, we have had to make

:57:54.:57:57.

difficult decisions but we have protected tax credits for the least

:57:57.:58:00.

well-off, we have protected benefits for the least well-off.

:58:00.:58:05.

The biggest welfare reform that we have made is to put a cap on

:58:05.:58:07.

welfare where we have said, you should not be able to get on

:58:07.:58:11.

welfare more than the average family gets in work, and when we

:58:11.:58:19.

put that forward, �26,500 a year, the party opposite voted against it.

:58:19.:58:21.

Kamal right honourable friend tell the House how much it would cost

:58:21.:58:25.

the country to take part in the bail-out of Spain's banks this week

:58:25.:58:29.

he had not stood up for Britain and got us out of the previous

:58:29.:58:32.

government's commitment? honourable friend makes an

:58:32.:58:36.

important point. Before this government came to power, bail-outs

:58:36.:58:39.

were carried out with Britain playing a full part in those bail

:58:39.:58:46.

out, often as much as 14 % of the total. 100 billion euros bail-out

:58:46.:58:51.

of Spain, Britain could have been paying as much as 14 billion euros,

:58:51.:58:55.

�10 billion. That money has been saved because this government,

:58:55.:59:02.

unlike the last one, stands up for Britain in Europe.

:59:02.:59:08.

Prime Minister, and on the shambles of a budget you claimed you had

:59:08.:59:14.

read, a double-dip recession you made in Downing Street, and a Tory

:59:14.:59:18.

lead committee reporting that the coalition lacks strategic direction,

:59:18.:59:23.

evidence if it was ever needed that men can multi-tasking, obviously

:59:23.:59:27.

just that some are not very good at it. Prime Minister, have you now

:59:27.:59:33.

run out of steam or is the job just too big for you? Prime Minister.

:59:33.:59:37.

I'm pleased my honourable friend the education secretary is

:59:37.:59:40.

introducing compulsory poetry reading lessons in class and

:59:40.:59:46.

perhaps we could start with the honourable gentleman.

:59:46.:59:56.

Order. Order. What is route is for people to continue shouting when

:59:56.:59:59.

they have been asked not to do so. I know the Honourable Member for

:59:59.:00:03.

Cohen valid is exceptionally well- behaved and he will sit in his

:00:03.:00:10.

usual quiet, respectful fashion. Mr David Burrows. Thank you. The Prime

:00:10.:00:14.

Minister has called for compassion for my constituent, Garry MacKinnon,

:00:14.:00:21.

who doctors report will take his life if he is extradited. Can the

:00:21.:00:25.

government be true to its word and stop the extradition and finally,

:00:25.:00:30.

after ten years, give Garry MacKinnon his life back? I know my

:00:30.:00:34.

honourable friend has campaigned long and hard over this issue. The

:00:34.:00:37.

Home Secretary is carefully considering a wide range of

:00:37.:00:42.

material before making her decision. She has instructed two independent

:00:42.:00:46.

medical experts to review the report that have been submitted in

:00:46.:00:51.

this case. This is not an easy case, as he knows. There are a number of

:00:51.:00:55.

difficult issues before she makes an announcement.

:00:55.:01:01.

The popular NHS walk-in centre in my constituency has recently closed.

:01:01.:01:05.

These NHS walk-in centres are closing all over the country, why?

:01:05.:01:08.

It is certainly not because the money in the NHS is being cut

:01:08.:01:12.

because it is not being cut. The money in the NHS is being increased.

:01:12.:01:16.

If we had followed her advice, the money would be going down. What

:01:17.:01:21.

matters is the money in the NHS is spent to deliver better health

:01:21.:01:28.

outcomes. That is a decision which needs to be taken locally. Giving

:01:28.:01:33.

the fascinating evidence that was presented by his predecessor to the

:01:33.:01:36.

Leveson Inquiry, with the Prime Minister agree with me that it

:01:36.:01:40.

would be overwhelmingly in the public interest, to publish the

:01:40.:01:43.

Downing Street phone records so we can finally establish what

:01:44.:01:47.

conversations happened between his predecessor and Rupert Murdoch?

:01:47.:01:51.

my honourable friend nose, governments cannot release

:01:51.:01:54.

information provided by previous governments but I'm sure this is an

:01:54.:01:58.

issue that the previous Prime Minister will want to consider,

:01:58.:02:03.

given the clear statement that he made.

:02:03.:02:07.

The Prime Minister will probably not be aware that a firm in my

:02:07.:02:12.

constituency produces cream liqueurs and other alcohol products.

:02:12.:02:20.

I do not know if he ever relaxes with his. I have recently beat

:02:20.:02:28.

planning a �10 million investment - - recently been planning. However,

:02:28.:02:34.

they are now worried that HMRC are reinterpreting how they treat these

:02:34.:02:39.

products for duty, under pressure from the European Commission with

:02:39.:02:42.

their erroneous interpretation of the European Court of Justice. Will

:02:42.:02:48.

he ensure that a competent Treasury Minister makes myself and other MPs

:02:48.:02:53.

to ensure that common sense and consistency prevails.

:02:53.:03:00.

I have not tried one of these delicious sounding their fridges.

:03:00.:03:02.

If it is all right with the honourable gentleman I will wait

:03:02.:03:08.

until after tomorrow before trying. -- beverages. I do understand there

:03:08.:03:13.

is an issue with HMRC and I'm happy to arrange a meeting so they can

:03:13.:03:19.

look closely at this issue. Unprecedented levels of flooding

:03:19.:03:24.

hit the North Caribbean communities at the weekend causing untold

:03:24.:03:29.

damage to business has -- Ceredigion. I think the Prime

:03:29.:03:36.

Minister for his words of support and I know the council, emergency

:03:36.:03:39.

services and many in the local community rallied to ensure no loss

:03:39.:03:46.

of life. Can I urge the Prime Minister to urge all insurance

:03:46.:03:50.

companies to act now with renewed speed on this so we can get the

:03:50.:03:56.

communities back on their feet as quickly as possible? I certainly

:03:56.:03:58.

joined my honourable friend in praising the emergency services who

:03:58.:04:04.

did a superb job at the weekend. I spoke to the Welsh Secretary and

:04:04.:04:07.

also the Welsh First Minister to pass on what my best wishes for the

:04:07.:04:11.

work they have done. In all the situations, there is clearly the

:04:11.:04:15.

rescue and emergency part of it. Then there is the recovery phase. I

:04:15.:04:18.

think in many ways the most difficult phase to get right is

:04:18.:04:23.

when people are going back into soaked homes with peeled plaster

:04:23.:04:26.

and all the other problems that come about and making sure they get

:04:26.:04:29.

swift action from the district council and above all from the

:04:29.:04:32.

insurance companies. I will certainly worked with him to make

:04:32.:04:42.
:04:42.:04:43.

There is civil war in Syria. The economy is in recession. The

:04:43.:04:47.

Chancellor is blaming that recession on the eurozone crisis.

:04:47.:04:51.

The eurozone crisis gets worse by the day. There were riots in Poland

:04:51.:04:56.

last night and major demonstrations in Moscow. But the exchange at PMQs

:04:56.:05:00.

was dominated by the future of the Culture Secretary, Mr Hunt. We will

:05:00.:05:03.

talk about that in a minute. First, we hear what you thought.

:05:03.:05:08.

Well, you have just stolen my thunder because that's that's

:05:08.:05:12.

exactly what a lot of the viewers said. They did wonder why it was

:05:12.:05:19.

that most of PMQs was devoted to Jeremy Hunt. So we had this from

:05:19.:05:25.

Kevin from London. "is the euro about to collapse? Is there civil

:05:25.:05:31.

war in Syria? What are they on about?" We had this from a Jeremy

:05:31.:05:36.

Hunt "does the Westminster Village think the rest of the world really

:05:36.:05:42.

cares about this?" We will never if it was from the Jeremy Hunt.

:05:42.:05:45.

Jacqueline in Bristol says, "Ed Miliband quoting David Cameron

:05:45.:05:54.

about being the future once. The delivery was so poor he could get a

:05:54.:06:01.

raspberry for it." Surely sooner or later Jeremy Hunt's conduct will

:06:01.:06:05.

have to be properly investigated. Well, they went with Jeremy Hunt so

:06:05.:06:08.

we better talk about it. We have had this letter, the Prime Minister

:06:08.:06:12.

has unveiled this letter from the man that is supposed to look after

:06:12.:06:16.

the Ministerial Code just explain to our viewers, Nick, what happened.

:06:16.:06:19.

If David Cameron had written the letter himself, he wouldn't have

:06:19.:06:23.

written it differently. The independent adviser on ministerial

:06:23.:06:26.

interests, the person the Labour Party have been saying must look

:06:26.:06:31.

into this case has written to him and I'm going to para phrase. He

:06:31.:06:36.

said the facts came out in the Leveson Inquiry. There is no value

:06:36.:06:40.

in me looking for more facts. He says, "I remain open to looking

:06:40.:06:46.

after it if if things change." David Cameron said "it was my job

:06:46.:06:50.

to decide whether the code was broken. My job therefore, to decide

:06:50.:06:56.

whether Hunt should stay or go. The role of the adviser was to

:06:56.:07:00.

establish the facts." I have gone back to look at this great thing,

:07:00.:07:05.

the Ministerial Code. Right. Let's read what it says. "if

:07:05.:07:08.

there is an allegation about a breach of the code and the Prime

:07:08.:07:12.

Minister having consulted the Cabinet Secretary feels that it

:07:12.:07:19.

warrants further investigation, he will refer the matter to the

:07:19.:07:23.

independent adviser." It is up to the Prime Minister. So people who

:07:23.:07:28.

think that Hunt should have gone, they are saying, "You should have

:07:28.:07:34.

got rid of him." Would Ed Miliband, if he is Prime Minister, say, "Your

:07:34.:07:39.

job in the Cabinet, he hands over to someone else to decide whether

:07:39.:07:44.

you stay or go." My guess, he wouldn't.

:07:44.:07:48.

The Prime Minister is the gatekeeper. One of the things we

:07:48.:07:50.

have been discussing in Parliament and outside of Parliament over the

:07:50.:07:54.

last two weeks because we have been on recess is the issue is whether

:07:54.:07:58.

the Prime Minister should be the gatekeeper bearing in mind the self

:07:58.:08:01.

interest the Prime Minister clearly has. The issue of who is a minister

:08:01.:08:05.

should be the job for the Prime Minister. The issue of who resolves

:08:05.:08:07.

whether there has been a breach of ministerial codes bearing in mind

:08:07.:08:12.

you have an independent ministerial adviser, should be the independent

:08:12.:08:16.

ministerial adviser. If there is evidence of a breach, you refer it

:08:16.:08:19.

to the independent adviser and that's what should have happened in

:08:19.:08:23.

this case. That opens the possibility and it

:08:23.:08:25.

would be interesting if this was the case that the Prime Minister

:08:25.:08:28.

gets a report, an independent report report saying someone has

:08:28.:08:32.

breached the Ministerial Code, but says, "I choose to keep them."

:08:32.:08:36.

sanction should be the job for the Prime Minister. He decides whether

:08:36.:08:41.

a minister is appointed or stays. You need assistance sometimes for

:08:41.:08:46.

somebody to look at the evidence and decide whether somebody...

:08:46.:08:51.

David Cameron is basically saying and I think he regrets the way this

:08:51.:08:56.

Ministerial Code was written. He says, "It is up to me who is in my

:08:56.:09:01.

Cabinet and if you don't like it, vote for another party." It was

:09:01.:09:05.

updated by David Cameron when he came Prime Minister in 2010.

:09:05.:09:09.

Because he wanted to have a new style of of politics, he updated

:09:09.:09:13.

and change it had. He says, "We, the foreies, must be

:09:13.:09:19.

different." His letter to Alex Allen was sent today and he

:09:19.:09:23.

received a reply today. Who remains in the Government has

:09:23.:09:26.

to be a matter for the Prime Minister. In the end, it has to be

:09:26.:09:28.

for the Prime Minister. He has taken that decision. He has the

:09:28.:09:33.

option of seeking advice, but the facts of the case have been

:09:33.:09:37.

exhaustively examined on television, under oath by a judicial inquiry

:09:37.:09:42.

and really, I I nothing new has emerged over the last two months to

:09:42.:09:45.

show that there has been a serious breach.

:09:45.:09:48.

What hasn't been examined and that's the substance of the Labour

:09:48.:09:51.

motion today, and what the Liberal Democrats are going to abstain on

:09:51.:09:56.

is the suggestion that he breached the Ministerial Code A, by

:09:56.:09:59.

misleading Parliament, Leveson didn't discuss that, and by failing

:09:59.:10:04.

to control his special adviser. Clearly, the facts on the special

:10:04.:10:08.

adviser was was looked into at Leveson, but there was never - did

:10:08.:10:11.

you fail to control your special adviser.

:10:11.:10:14.

We have had one debate and he is going to explain the answers he

:10:14.:10:19.

gave which were superseded by the evidence he laid in front of

:10:19.:10:23.

Leveson, a huge amount of text and e-mails and he will tear clear that

:10:23.:10:30.

up -- he will clear that up. They will have to look at the role of a

:10:30.:10:33.

special adviser. There were two other things that

:10:33.:10:37.

came out that are transport issues that I'm interested in. PMQs kicked

:10:37.:10:42.

off with a question from Zac Goldsmith, a great environmentalist

:10:42.:10:47.

whose constituency is on the Heathrow flightpath. He told the

:10:47.:10:51.

Prime Minister, "You are going to stick, aren't you to your Tory

:10:51.:10:56.

commitment to not build a third runway?" The Prime Minister did not

:10:56.:11:01.

say yes at all. When he came to HS 2 and the high-speed railway, the

:11:01.:11:06.

Prime Minister said, "I am in favour of this." But I am told the

:11:06.:11:10.

project is being kicked into the long grass and that HS 2 is not

:11:10.:11:15.

going to happen in the foreseeable future. It is interesting there

:11:15.:11:20.

maybe a U-turn in the making over the runway and HS 2 being kicked

:11:21.:11:26.

into the long grass. There maybe a U-turn on the runway, but not until

:11:26.:11:29.

the next manifesto. I don't think David Cameron thinks he could get

:11:29.:11:32.

away with either in coalition with the Liberal Democrats or with some

:11:32.:11:36.

of his own supportsers like Zac Goldsmith or with the people in

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West London who voted a particular way because of the Tory manifesto.

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He couldn't get away with a U-turn until he put it to the country

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again. There is pressure from business on the Conservative Party

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to come up with a solution to this aviation crisis. A, on high-speed 2,

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the anxiety I'm told is about money. The Treasury was always relaxed

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about high-speed 2 because it was so many years away it didn't have

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anything to do with the period at which our deficit was being cut.

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The problem is that the Chancellor told us, it will take more years

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than originally planned to cut the deficit and therefore, you get a

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cross over the moment the Treasury is trying to cut spending, it comes

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at the same time as this massive investment to pay for high-speed 2.

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If you speak to businesses inside this country and outside this

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country, one of the biggest criticisms is lack of transport

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infrastructure to get to this country and to get freight around

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and other things around as well. If Nick is right, another example of

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the needs of our country being acraifiesed for the -- sacrificed

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for the greater good of the two political parties in charge at the

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moment. There are different issues, the

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airport capacity issue is a major issue. Heathrow is full. We are

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going to get a consultation document calling for evidence as to

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how we use our airports we are and where people think the next runway

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should be built across the South East or elsewhere. How long will

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that take? How long is a longer project.

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Even longer now. So these are different projects.

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Labour fought the last election in favour of a third runway at

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Heathrow and the other two parties were against it. After you lost,

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you changed your policy to be against a third runway.

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I heard your transport spokeswoman tell me that you were against it.

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You are reviewing the policy? are reviewing our transport policy

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which includes aviation, but we are in favour of high-speed two.

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You would like to see that go ahead? High tweed two? Yes -- high-

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speed two? Yes. The issue is we are told by this

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this chancellor he will bring forward projects and he needs to do

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so and the good thing about high- speed two, you have a number of

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different revenue streams to help fund it, but you have got a

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situation where Crossrail will be finishing shortly and it will be

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easy to transfer the skills from Crossrail to high-speed two.

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It will be finished by 2015. High-speed two is a a longer term

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project and it requires legislation to go before Parliament. It wasn't

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on the Queen's Speech, was it? Delay. Delay. Delay.

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You didn't do anything for 13 years about high-speed railways. We are

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getting on with it, but it is a long-term project.

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Crossrail was announced in 1986, it is now 2012! Things happen quickly

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Five years ago, Gary Newlove was murdered by three youths outside

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his home in Warrington. He had gone outside to speak to a gang of

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youths who he believed had been vandalising his wife Helen's car.

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Since then Helen, now Baroness Newlove, has been determined to

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make sure her husband's death is not just another statistic. For

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this week's soapbox, we joined her on an estate in Havering, East

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London, one of the neighbourhoods across England and Wales where she

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has been trying to tackle anti- social behaviour through community

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The police have named the man who died after confronting a gang of

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youths outside his home. He was Garry Newlove. Detectives described

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his murder as sickening. On the 10th August 2007, my family

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life ended as I knew T my husband, Garry Newlove, was attacked by a

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gang of youths. He was kicked in the head 14 times and suffered 40

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internal injuries. My neighbourhood suffered from under-age and binge-

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drinking. I attended my local meetings, spoke

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to my local agencies who classed anti-social behaviour as low level

:16:08.:16:18.
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crime. So no action was done. Everybody has a right to live

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safely and happily in their communities. Under-age and binge-

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drinking drags communities down. That is why I was pleased to be

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made a Baroness In the House of Lords, giving me a national

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platform to champion the voices of communities who suffer such

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problems. We have to stop under-age and

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binge-drinking. Stop shops from selling alcohol to under-age

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drinkers. If need be, close them down if they persist. Stop street

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drinking. Make drinking more sociable and not anti-social and

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working the trade. Working together helps everybody.

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Hello, Syd. How are you? It is lovely to see you.

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There is a hidden team of people who work tirelessly without seeking

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reward or recognise recognition to make life better for everyone. We

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are in Havering where the spirit flourishes. The generations have

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reached an understanding of mutual tolerance. People work with the

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authorities for the good of the community.

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I am working with ten areas across the country over the next few years

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who have access to to �1 million funding, bringing communities

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together to drive down social be behaviour. I do this passionately

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because I do not want another family to suffer the highest price

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my family paid. Helen Newlove is with us now. It is

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very tough for you in the way you lost your husband, but you picked

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yourself up and you are working hard to help communities battle

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against binge-drinking and other social problems. What keeps you

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going? I think listening to people's problems in communities

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and I was a community activist where I lived. I had terrible

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problems. My neighbours suffered terrible problems with the cars,

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alcohol was thrown in our gardens. People were urinenating up the

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fences and there is only so much you can take. We attended community

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meetings where we had the police and the councillors and everybody

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else and it was walking away from one of the meetings that I said

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until somebody is murdered they will not do anything. Little did I

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know it would be Gary. For me, listening to going through the

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trial and and listening to people today, who are suffering the same

:18:41.:18:44.

problems, if gives me the passion to do something because it should

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never ever happen. You should feel safe where you live.

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You have explained about the social problems. Do you think those sh use

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that you have mentioned -- issues that you mentioned which some of

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the agencies deal with and say it is a low lying anti-social

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behaviour and crime, do you think those are the problems that can

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lead to what happened to your husband? I get infuriated when they

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say "low level crime." When they don't live there, it is infuriating.

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My mailbag is full of people who shut their curtains, frightened to

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go out, they cross the road, that is not low level crime. To me, it

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is a silent killer and we need to nip it in the bud fast.

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Do you think binge-drinking is the whole issue? Do you think that's

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the biggest driver of the crimes and social problems that you are

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talking about? It is one of the drivers. Alcohol-related crime is

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horrendous because it is a come buston of things. You become anti-

:19:46.:19:53.

social to people and you get violent. Gary suffered 14 kicks to

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the head. 15 people were around him. This was on a summer's evening and

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he was in shorts and he asked one single question. You have to look

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at the indicators, but in rural areas, people are having their

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tractors pinched and people laugh when I say, "We have got Tractor

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Watch." They can't employee workers. These are real problems and we

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should not dismiss them as low level crimes and I will never give

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it a low level crime because Gary started off as anti-social

:20:24.:20:27.

behaviour and he lost his life and I had to turn his life support

:20:27.:20:35.

machine off. How do you class that How do you get communities

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involved? Are they not frightened to some extent to do what you were

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doing? The model used was in Havering, east London. How to get

:20:48.:20:55.

people to patrol the streets and Aaron way or patrol the neighbours?

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Everybody said to me, we need to know what the ingredients are. If I

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knew the ingredients I would have a top saleswoman plaque on my

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shoulder. You cannot say but these people are very passionate. They

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are sick of living in these blighted areas. At the end of the

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day, if you want to do something, you do not get anything done by

:21:17.:21:22.

sitting and complaining. If you want to make a change, try and

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connect. There are frightened people out there and not everybody

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can do it. It is to help them feel safer so them when they feel they

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can do it they can go out. Because it is blighted or we label them

:21:34.:21:40.

deprived areas, affluent areas, who labels them? We are all the same in

:21:40.:21:45.

life and we need to be able to live in a safer, happier place. Why was

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Havering a good place to go? I love Havering. I am a people person.

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When I went to Havering I first met them in a hall. It was very unique

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because we had the older generation this side, the younger generation

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this side and I was a referee in the middle. There were six

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youngsters who had made a DVD and they showed it and they were asking

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about the area. One of the things the young lad said was he thought

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the old people should be in by 8 o'clock. Then the older people said,

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why should I be in by 8 o'clock, I have lived here for 40 odd years.

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They are saying you should not be in bed, we are worried because we

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do not feel safe. I am connecting them now. They have done a rap

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Opera together, opened photograph clubs and we have a 92-year-old

:22:38.:22:44.

woman who is in charge of the community centre. What sort of help

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can the government give to tackle these problems? I think we are

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seeing their help. We have the Localism Bill and local people have

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a voice but they go one about the Big Society, the Prime Minister

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does, he did not say it to give everybody a manual. Everybody mucks

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it. When I speak to communities, they want recognition. They say, we

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are doing it, we have a great British background and we will

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carry on doing it. Michael Fallon, there is a big issue with binge

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drinking and we have talked about minimum pricing but will that be

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enough to stop the images of our town centres being filled with

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drunken yobs who take up all the time of the health services, the

:23:26.:23:31.

emergency services and the police, it cost a fortune? We are looking

:23:31.:23:36.

at the unit pricing of alcohol but we are doing other things as well.

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We have doubled the penalty for shops selling to under-age children.

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There are too many and dredge drinkers. We are giving communities

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assay over licences -- too many under-aged drinkers. We are making

:23:50.:23:55.

it tougher for places to get licences. We are making them

:23:55.:23:58.

contribute to the cost of clearing this stuff up. The government has

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got to do a lot of these little things to create a better climate.

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But in the end, it is for communities. I salute what Helen is

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doing. We have to start by changing little things. Changing the culture

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is what many people say, governments manage to change the

:24:17.:24:21.

culture in relation to smoking, the tide was turned. Why not be as

:24:21.:24:28.

radical? Banning, just for example, to be more radical not just change

:24:28.:24:36.

bits of the law, and it will not change the culture and be more

:24:36.:24:41.

dramatic about it? Unit pricing may do that, multi- buying may stop

:24:41.:24:47.

people buying great trunks together. What about banning drinking on the

:24:47.:24:56.

street? Boris Johnson bandit on the Tube. You can get an alcohol

:24:56.:25:01.

banning order in areas. We have tried it in Kent. There are some

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experiments. We have to look at different ways of getting the

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culture to change. It took a long time with smoking but we are

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working at it with drinking as well. Thank you, Helen.

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Remind me of giving Michael Fallon the history of American prohibition

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for Christmas. The Falkland Islands will hold a

:25:22.:25:25.

referendum next year on their future sovereignty. Yes, a

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referendum, fancy that?! They hope there will be a firm message to

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Argentina that the islanders will remain British. Comes on the 30th

:25:36.:25:41.

anniversary of the end of the Argentine occupation of the islands.

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David Lidington has just been updating Parliament on the plans.

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For our part, the British government will continue to offer

:25:49.:25:52.

unequivocal support to the islanders, by maintaining a

:25:52.:25:56.

defensive posture on the islands, by supporting the growing economy

:25:56.:26:01.

and by protecting their rights and their wishes today, just as we did

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30 years ago. The forthcoming referendum will provide I believe,

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further evidence that the islanders alone will decide their future and

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will offer a simple but powerful expression of democracy.

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So, how about that? A Tory lead government finally gives the

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British a referendum on sovereignty. Are you proud? Absolutely. This is

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the week we celebrate the 30th anniversary of the liberation of

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the Falklands. It is a clear-cut issue, do you want to stay British?

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It was done in Gibraltar a few years ago. I think it will send a

:26:39.:26:44.

strong message. If it is good enough for the Falklands, what

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about the rest? Where is the evidence that the people of the

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Falkland Islands want a referendum? I think you have seen plenty of

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evidence. We know what the outcome is, don't we? Do we? How do we

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know? It will be a minimum of 95 % in favour of the current status.

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hope so. Argentina has been reasserting its claim. It is very

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important that Argentina gets the wishes of loud and clear that we

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will respect the issues -- wishes of the islanders. What about a

:27:19.:27:23.

referendum on House of Lords reform? You can have referendums on

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lots of things. So specifically, House of Lords reform. There is

:27:28.:27:32.

evidence that people wanted. The plants are very controversial, as

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you know. Changing our constitution forever, let's have a referendum,

:27:38.:27:46.

trust the people, Michael. referendum was proposed. Will we do

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it? Be brave, Michael, you are the deputy chairman of the Conservative

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Party. Don't let Clegg bully you. Could we give the Falkland as a

:27:56.:28:01.

referendum on the House of Lords? And Europe! Enough.

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Too much teasing going on here. We have just got time to pick the

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winner of the get the year competition. The correct answer was

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1977, the year of the Silver Jubilee year and the Labour act --

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:28:26.:28:26.

Lib-Lab pact. And there we go. Alan Atkinson from Kent is the winner.

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That is it for today. We thank both Michael Fallon and Sadiq Khan for

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being our guests, for being good sports as well. You have to be a

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good sport to be on this programme, Newsnight it is not. The One

:28:42.:28:46.

Andrew Neil and Jo Coburn are joined by the deputy chairman of the Conservative Party Michael Fallon and the shadow justice secretary Sadiq Khan. Nick Robinson gives his analysis of PMQs and the Conservative peer Baroness Newlove discusses alcohol fuelled violence.


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