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Morning folks. This is the Daily Politics.

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Today's top story: Tensions in the coalition as the

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Lib Dems say they won't back Culture Secretary Jeremy Hunt in a

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Commons vote on his handling of Nick Clegg twists the knife and

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tells the Leveson Inquiry that he has always kept his distance from

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Rupert Murdoch and other media barons.

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George Osborne says Germany should stump up to shore up the eurozone,

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but suggests it may take a Greek exit from the euro to persuade

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Angela Merkel. And can new alcohol zones stop

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alcohol fuelled violence? We'll hear from the community campaigner

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Helen Newlove whose husband Gary was killed by drunken yobs. I work

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with ten areas across the country who have access to �1 million

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funding, bringing communities together to drive down anti-social

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behaviour through problem drinking. All that to come before 1pm. Of

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course, Prime Minister's Questions at noon. This will be the first one

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in three weeks. With us for the duration deputy chairman of the

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Conservative Party Michael Fallon and Labour's Sadiq Khan, the shadow

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I can't speak. We're also joined by the Lib Dem MP,

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Jo Swinson. Who has been doing the rounds of other networks this

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morning! Welcome to the Daily Politics.

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Let's kick off with the split inside the coalition over the

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future of Jeremy Hunt. Yes and his handling of the News Corporation

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bid for BSkyB. Last night the Liberal Democrats announced they

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would not vote with the Conservatives to back Mr Hunt.

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Instead, they will abstain lead to go headlines in the papers this

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morning about a coalition at war. This morning Jeremy Hunt looked

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relaxed as he left his home in Central London with his bike. There

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is the little backpack. The Conservative whips are taking

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the vote seriously by ordering one MP to cut his honeymoon short and

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to return to Westminster. You may wonder why given that he a two week

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recess, that he could have had the holiday earlier. Is this an act of

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Lib Dem trecherry? This is an op opposition day. It is disappointing

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the Liberal Democrats aren't going to turn up, but that's a matter for

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them. They want to make clear they are not involved in this argument

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about News International or the Leveson Inquiry or whatever and it

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would have been nice to have had them voting with us, but it is

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understandable. So you are relaxed? They won't back

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you down when the chips are down? They have backed on us on getting

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the deficit down and making this a fairer country. Let's be fair to

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the Liberal Democrats, on these tough decision, they have stood

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with us shoulder-to-shoulder. This isn't one of the big tough decision.

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This is a matter of party politics. Labour have chose tonne put a

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motion down and it is up to the Liberal Democrats to decide whether

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to take a party political view or not.

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Solicitor you will still be -- so you will just be as inclined to

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vote for Lib Dem plans on Lords reform?

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Well, these are Government plans for Lords reform.

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It doesn't diminish your enthusiasm? Lords reform is a

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tricky Bill. It is a tricky issue, but the Government as a whole is

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committed to bringing forward proposals.

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Jo Swinson, the Lib Dem policy, you want an independent investigation

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into Jeremy Hunt's handling of the BSkyB affair, is that right?

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think that that that would have been the right thing. The Prime

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Minister is the person who gets to make that decision. It is his

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decision alone. It is your policy.

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We think that should have been the decision.

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Isn't that what the Labour vote would give you? It wouldn't.

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but they are calling for that. Is that right, they are calling - well,

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I ask you, do you want an independent investigation? We do.

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They put a motion down. They want what your policy is, why don't you

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vote for it? Well, they know that passing their motion doesn't change

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the decision that has been made. But why not vote for it? Apart from

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anything else, it is an opportunistic move by a Labour

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Party who found this viewpoint. When they were in Government, they

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didn't abide by this code or these suggestions.

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Your policy is an independent investigation, Labour is putting a

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motion down calling for an independent investigation. Explain

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to our viewers why you wouldn't vote for for something that is your

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party's policy? It is a party political opposition day motion.

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Voting for that would not make it happen. We've made our views

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clear... It would change the principle? We have made our views

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clear on your programme and elsewhere. We have made it clear

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that we disagree with that decision that was taken. As a result, we

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will not be joining the Conservatives in the lobby tonight

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because that wasn't a decision that was taken as a coalition wide

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agreement. So why don't you join with Labour

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who are advocating the policy you told our viewers that you stand

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for? It doesn't deliver. There maybe more of a chance of

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delivering if you voted for. If you voted for it and it went through,

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it would pressure on the Government. The decision has been taken.

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your principle decision is to sit on your hands? We are taking part

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in the debate. Don Foster will be setting out the Liberal Democrat

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position. Sadiq Khan I'm lost. You explain

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what to do. There are other other devices open to us to persuade the

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Prime Minister. In the past, when we were in Government, when

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opposition day debates were won by the opposition, we changeted our

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policy. A good examples was the Ghurkhas, we lost that vote and the

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policy changed. And the threat of a vote on BSkyB

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forced News Corp to withdraw. So try and convince her because I've

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failed. For Jo to call me opportunistic is a badge of pride!

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The reality is this Jo, we are not concluding that Jeremy Hunt is

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guilty. Nor are we.

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We are saying there is this ministerial quote which was beefed-

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up by this new generation Prime Minister with a new generation

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Deputy Prime Minister. This is the new politics. Serious allegations

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have been made about his special advisers who, because he

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overstepped the mark, took the decision to resign. The buck

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shouldn't stop with him. There is an allegation about misleading

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Parliament which is serious. Jeremy Hunt wasn't exonerate d at the

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Leveson Inquiry. We are saying, "there is this guy who is paid

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�20,000 a year, many more of your constituents earn, he is

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investigating Baroness Warsi, he is he is twiddling his thumbs, why not

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allow him the opportunity to earn his crust and investigate Jeremy

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Hunt." That's what should have been decided. There is two issues. When

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you say that Jeremy Hunt hasn't been exonerated. On how he dealt

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with the bid, he has given a good account of what he did.

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It is about the issues to do the Ministerial Code, about the issue

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about special advisers. If you think he has been exonerated

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why why do you want an independent investigation? There are two issues.

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There is the issue about whether he took independent advice and how he

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dealt with the BSkyB, but there is the issue about who his special

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adviser was doing and whether that line was overstepped. There are

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questions that remain. I'm not saying that means that he has

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broken the Ministerial Code, but an independent investigation would

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have been a good thing. Questions which will never be answered

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because you haven't got the guts to vote with him.

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Jo, by you not supporting the Conservative Party and let's be

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clear, our motion has been signed by the other opposition parties,

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but you are not in opposition, you are in Government, because you have

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not supported the Conservative Party, you are questioning the

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decision of David Cameron. David Cameron said, "I think he is in the

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clear." Questioning his judgement. We can disagree.

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I have done my best and cause trouble, but I have failed! We

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I don't know if you have completely failed.

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Nick Clegg is giving evidence to the Leveson Inquiry this morning.

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Here a flavour of what he has been saying.

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Two occasions only when I think you met with Rupert Murdoch. The first

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is the 16th December 2009. Yes. That was a dinner, Rebekah Brooks

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so was it just four of you? No. No. No. There were a large number of

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people there. As it happened I was at the very end of the table where

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the children sit so to speak! LAUGHTER

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And didn't have, I only had very fleeting interaction with Rupert

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Murdoch before the dinner and as I said goodbye at the end.

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Thank you. I was an observer as much as

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anything else. How candid of him. Well, that was

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Nick Clegg talking about his less than cosy relationship with Rupert

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Murdoch. Now, I mean, Jo Swinson, let me come to you about that issue.

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Without wanting to be too rude. I mean he was at the kids end of the

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table, Nick Clegg. Is the reason for that that the Lib Dems have

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never been regarded as important enough to be anywhere else and

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that's why you have never been corrupted? We certainly haven't had

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the cosy relationship with the Murdochs that I have to say say my

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two colleagues here, their parties have had as we have seen as has

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come out in the Leveson Inquiry. We have had a record for years calling

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for better regulation, the culture media and sport recommendations

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were ignored by the past Government. I am delighted we have the Leveson

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Inquiry to look into these issues which are important and need to be

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addressed. But that wasn't the question I

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asked. Is the reason that you haven't been corrupted is because

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no one felt the need to corrupt you? Well, of course, there hasn't

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been the courting of the Liberal Democrats that the other parties

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have experienced, but you know, certainly, you know, we are in the

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coalition Government and since that time have not, even though we have

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been in a position of significant power have not still succumbed to

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the courting that others have had. But the important thing is that we

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get some justice and improved situation, not actually about

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politicians because this isn't about politicians. This is about

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the general public and the faith they can have in the media and

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particularly in how it deals with ordinary members of the public.

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say it is not about politicians, but there has been no shortage of

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party leaders and former former Prime Ministers at Leveson Inquiry

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and Gordon Brown and Ed Miliband took about the culture of briefing

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or lack at lack of it. Did you authorise your aides to

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brief against Mr Blair? Do you think they may have done

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without your knowledge knowledge? If they did so it was without my

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authorisation. When I was a Cabinet Minister I did

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raise a concern that I had with Mr Brown. I believe in September 2008

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about some of Mr McBride's activities.

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Ed Miliband there. Sadiq Khan, do you believe Gordon Brown when he

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says, "I did not authorise any briefings against Tony Blair.".

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heard the evidence of Ed Miliband who spoke from personal experience

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and I can't contradict what Ed Miliband said.

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No, do you believe Gordon Brown when he said, he was asked "did you

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ever authorise any briefings against Gordon Brown?" "no.".

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have no personal knowledge. I saw the footage of Ed Miliband and

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Gordon Brown and Michael said, they can't both be right.

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Who do you believe more? I know it is difficult for you, especially

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someone, but who do you believe more? Who do you believe? He says I

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didn't authorise any briefings and he goes on to say, he is asked

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actually Gordon Brown, "what about, special advisers, using the media

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and newspapers to get Tony Blair to step down." "I would hope not.".

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Miliband gave an example and he gave a date. Let viewers conclude

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what they want to conclude. What do you think? Ed Miliband gave

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an example in his personal experience he witnessed it. So it

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it speaks for itself. Do you believe that John Watson

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went to see Gordon Brown and never talked about it? Come on, Andrew.

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How many questions on this. You have heard both... We have got a

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lot more, haven't we? Keep them coming! You might answer one?

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Watson, Ed Miliband, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown give evidence to the

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Leveson Inquiry... Do you believe him? That Tom Watson can visit him

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in the middle of organising a coup and they don't talk about it? Do

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you believe that pigs are flying over this studio? I can't see any.

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You are under oath. Ed Miliband talked about media

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ownership in the evidence. Is this now Labour policy, no company

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should have more than 20 or 30% of the newspaper market share? When he

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floated the idea about the concentration of ownership which

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leads to concentration of power and whether that's healthy in a

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democracy. You have a situation where there is a concentration of

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power in those who own newspapers and there was an attempt for News

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Corp to own BSkyB which can lead to some of the challenges we have seen.

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But that's what Ed Miliband would like to see a cap at 30% and that

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would mean the Murdoch empire selling one newspaper? He didn't

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give a specific figure. He did say not more than 30%?

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know that News Corp own 37%. I think it is 34%. I am not going

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to quibble. It is 34, but they own 37%. When

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there is too much concentration of power.

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I take the point. I am trying to work out how it would work. I think

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it means selling off a newspaper? It means legislation and we have

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had rumours about the Murdochs wanting to sell their media

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interests here and they may decide seeing, the way the wind is going,

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Do you regret that this Leveson Inquiry was set-up? No, it was

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needed to clear the air. Both the two parties got too close to all

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these media empires. We did when we were trying to get into government

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and they did when they were in government. The public needs to be

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reassured that that cannot happen again. Our constituents have better

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redress for themselves when they are targeted by the press. Clearly,

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the regulatory system is not working. It is painful for

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everybody involved and embarrassing. Embarrassing to hear that Gordon

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Brown seems to be in denial about what was happening when he was

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Prime Minister. But Labour were not in power any more and it is more

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embarrassing for the government that is. David Cameron will be

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giving evidence. He is being dragged kicking and screaming. We

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demanded a public inquiry, you said no. You had 13 years to have an

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inquiry into this stuff but you did not. We will learn the lessons from

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it. We will see if we can come up with a better regulatory system for

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our politicians and constituents. Say you're going to take the

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warnings from the previous prime ministers? We are going to see what

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Leveson reports. We will see when it comes out in the autumn.

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Greece is going back to the polls on Sunday after the last set of

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elections failed to produce a conclusive result. Last night, the

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Chancellor George Osborne talk about the prospect of the exit from

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the Greek Euros. He said so far the response to the crisis had been

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depressing. Spain's borrowing costs have risen despite the bail-out of

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its bank this weekend. Jo are you depressed? Not exactly optimistic.

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Five days on from the Spanish bail out and the eurozone crisis is

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rumbling on. On Saturday, the eurozone countries handed Spain's

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banks 100 billion euros to stabilise the economy. But it has

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not convinced the markets and there are signs the contagion could

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spread to Italy where the cost to the government of borrowing for ten

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years peaked at 6%. Last night, the Chancellor George Osborne said the

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bail out seemed to be too little, too late. He suggested that the

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eurozone should press on with deeper integration in order to

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shore itself up. Yesterday, the European Commission President Jose

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Manuel Baroso proposed a banking union across the euro. It looks

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like the German Bundesbank will block that plan but George Osborne

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said Germany should agree to stand behind the entire eurozone that it

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might take Greece leaving the road to persuade Angela Merkel to stump

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up more German cash. Thank you, that did sign a -- sound

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quite depressing. Jo Swinson has gone, she will be at PMQs and we'll

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be live there at 12 o'clock. Michael Fallon, just clarify, is it

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British government policy that the eurozone has to be retained intact

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in its current membership? policy is that the eurozone has got

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to sort itself out. We cannot go on like this. I understand that.

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have got to sort themselves out. But does that sort itself out with

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all the members or with a reduced membership? With all the members,

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clearly. What cannot go one that is grees 1/2 in, half out, this

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uncertainty which is damaging our economy going month after month,

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summit after summit. But when you opposed Britain's membership of the

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eurozone and you did not oppose the idea of the eurozone covering the

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countries that it did, you said this is not an optimal currency

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area, it cannot work with all these different countries in it, they do

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not have the same economies. If you thought that them, why is your

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policy to keep us together now? They have got to put in place the

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things they did not do at the time. If they want to go on with the

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single currency across the zone then they have to put in place the

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stuff they did not writing at the beginning to allow sufficient

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fiscal transfers between the wealthier ones and the poorer ones,

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to improve the governance of the sector and look after the deposits

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in the bank. Say you want a federal Europe for the eurozone, that is

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your policy? They must decide. We are saying it will not work, you

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cannot have a zone like this working unless you have some kind

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of fiscal transfers. You will end up with bail-out of the bail-out.

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understand that but it is Conservative-led government policy

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to urge the creation of a federal eurozone, a federal government

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eurozone. It they have a semi federal eurozone at the moment.

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They have a single currency. What they have not bottom-placed is a

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fiscal element that can underpin that. If they want to go on with a

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single currency it is obvious they have to put in place some

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arrangements to transfer money from the wealthier countries to the

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poorer countries. Be your government is saying there should

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be a banking union and they should be the debt mutualisation said that

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there are eurozone bombs, that is your government's policy -- bonds.

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What we cannot have is the continuing uncertain seas and a

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constant call for the propping up of weaker countries. We are out of

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the bail out mechanism. Had we stayed in the mechanism we would

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have had to come up with �10 billion sterling, we have saved

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that from being out of the bail out mechanism. What that does not solve

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is the continuing crisis. They have to put in place arrangements to do

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that. In effect, Labour's policies are no different from the

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government's. You think there should be greater integration in

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the USM but we will not be part of it? That is a summary I agree with.

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What we are frustrated by is for eurozone have fallen into the trap

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of being obsessed with just austerity and no plans for growth.

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Michael is right that it is a eurozone problem and it is

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incumbent on the bigger countries in the eurozone, Germany in

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particular, to do more. The ECB should be the Bank of last-resort

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rather than going to the IMF or elsewhere. But if you get a German-

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dominated federal Europe, that inevitably, of which we will not be

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part, that inevitably changes our relationship with Europe. We will

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forever be on the periphery, do you accept that? We will have to wait

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and see. What we cannot have is our closest trading partner going from

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disaster to disaster. We trade the most with them. Even last year, we

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exported huge amounts to the racing countries. If the Spain comes that

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or the contagion spreads, it is catastrophic for the eurozone

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countries but it is disaster for the UK as well. To accept that this

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policy you are both urging results, because I've seen live review thing

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for the foreseeable future we will ever be part of this, that Europe

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will develop with its own currency, a banking union, with eurobonds

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being issued, with the fiscal union, it in effect becomes closer to a

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federal system than ever before and we are not part of it, you are

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happy with that? In the short term we need to ensure the eurozone

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countries do whatever they can to bring about stability. In the

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medium to longer term we want to trade with them and continued to

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trade if not the same, but more. Let's be clear, we cannot stop them.

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You what urging them. We cannot stop them anyway. It is not for us

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to decide whether they have a more federal state. We are saying if

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they want to go ahead with the zone, all the countries have to sort out

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how they will transfer funds from the stronger ones to the weaker

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ones. If they want to give up their currency and give up control of

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their banks, we are saying what they have got to do is recognise

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reality. You cannot have a system that does not complete. You have

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got to be able transfer money from the strong ones to the week. I get

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that. When Downing Street says when it comes to a referendum on Europe,

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quote, that is not something the British people want, where is the

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evidence for Downing Street saying that? What they want is for it to

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be sorted out. But where is the evidence for Downing Street telling

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us the British people do not want a referendum? Their priorities are to

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get growth going in this country. But what is the evidence that the

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British people do not want a referendum? When Downing Street

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issued that there was a poll in the Times St 80 % what a referendum.

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What is the evidence for Downing Street St we do not? The issue is

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what is the evidence for Downing Street telling us we do not want a

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referendum? What they want at the moment is for the government to

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focus on getting growth and making sure the his own sorts out its

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problems. There is no evidence that the British public do not want a

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referendum is the answer to your question. I think what Michael was

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trying to say, forgive me, is the policy for us should be to do all

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we can to stimulate jobs and growth in the country, rather than being

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distracted by a campaign for a referendum. Thank you.

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As some of you may know, the European football championships are

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underweight in Poland and the Ukraine. England, I am told, drew

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1-1 against France on Monday night. I am told it is good. Not good

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enough. We want more. What could fire up the team to put a bit of

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fire in their belly? A bit of an incentive to win the next game

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against Sweden on Friday. They will be lucky. What better than the

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will. Let's see if you can remember If I can find collaboration with

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any other parties in the House then I am willing to do that. This is

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Coming up to midday, Prime Minister's Questions starts in a

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few minutes. We are joined by the BBC's political editor Nick

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Robinson. The first PMQs for three weeks. There has been some

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developments from Nick Clegg at the Leveson Inquiry. I'm just told that

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he said Jeremy Hunt gave a good account of how he handled the BSkyB

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bid. It highlights what may be puzzling to people about the Lib

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Dem's position. They will not back Jeremy Hunt today, they will not

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back the Prime Minister's judgment but they are not criticising the

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way he handled the BSkyB bid. They are simply saying there should be

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an investigation. I am lost! think Nick Clegg has always wanted

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to keep his party together and where there are votes which there

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will be split and there are Lib Dem backbenchers who wanted to vote

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against Jeremy Hunt, he would rather they will vote together and

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abstained, rather than some vote against a government minister,

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others abstained, others vote in favour. It is a matter of high

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principle then? An element of party management. An element that he

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genuinely feels passionately. When people say all politicians crept to

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the Murdochs, he wants to say, we did not. We all know why that was.

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No one was interested. No one thinks they matter. I did not say

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that. On the other hand, they can say they have fought against that

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media bias and they have done it for decades and they want to gain

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some credit for saying we are here despite that. A few Ed Miliband, do

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you go on this Leveson media village stuff. We will find out

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I am sure the whole House will wish to pay tribute to the fallen

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servicemen since the House met. Captain Stephen Healey and Michael

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Thacker and Gregg Stone. These were talented, dedicated soldiers who

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made the ultimate sacrifice for the safety of our nation. Our deepest

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condolences are with their family, friends and colleagues. We will

:30:48.:30:51.

always remember them. This morning, I had meetings with

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ministerial colleagues and others and in addition to my duties in

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this House, I shall have further such meetings today.

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I am sure all members will wish to associate themselves with the Prime

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Minister's tribute. Can the Prime Minister reassure my constituents

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that there will be no policy shift at all in relation to the third

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runway at at Heathrow and this Government will focus on improving

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Heathrow's hub status and displacing some of the short haul

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and less valuable slots elsewhere. First of all, I know this is not

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just a constituency campaign for my honourable friend. It is something

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he feels very powerfully about. The coalition position has not changed.

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Clearly, we must not be blind to two important considerations. One

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is how we expand airport capacity, but how do we make sure that

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Heathrow operates better and we make sure we welcome people better

:31:50.:31:54.

to our country better than at the moment. A lot of progress has been

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made and I congratulate the Home Secretary for the extra resources

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and the people put into doing that important job.

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Can I join the Prime Minister in paying private to Captain Stephen

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Healey and Private Gregg Stone. They served our country with

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dignity and bravery and the co dough lances of the -- condolences

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of the House go to their family and their friends.

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Account Prime Minister tell us why he referred Baroness Warsi, but not

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the Culture Secretary? There. is a difference between the two

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cases. In the case of Baroness Warsi, there has not been a judge-

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led inquiry with witnesses taking evidence under oath to get to all

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of the factual information behind her case and that is why I have

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asked Sir Alex Allen to look at that case, but I have to say I am

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happy with the explanation I have been given by Baroness Warsi. She

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admits to breaking the Ministerial Code. She apologised for breaking

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the Ministerial Code and that's an important point.

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The Prime Minister refers to the Leveson Inquiry, but account Prime

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Minister confirm that in his appearance at the Leveson Inquiry,

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the Culture Secretary was quite properly because it is not the

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remit of the Leveson Inquiry asked a single question about whether he

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misled this House and thereby broke the Ministerial Code.

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The point I would make to the honourable gentleman he asks

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specifically about why I have not referred the case to Sir Alex Allen

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and that's the case. I haven't done that, but I have Sir Alex Allen for

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his advice on the future guidance on judicial decision making which

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is something that he was discussing at the Leveson Inquiry and I will

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be discussing tomorrow as well. And Sir Alex Allen replied to my letter

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and I will put a copy of both letters in the library of the House,

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but the House might want to know what Sir Alex Allen said in reply

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to my letter. He said this "I note your decision in relation to Jeremy

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Hunt adherance to the Ministerial Code which is, of course, a matter

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for you. The fact that there is an ongoing judicial inquiry probing

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and taking evidence under oath means that I do not believe I could

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usefully add to the facts in this case." He goes on to say, he goes

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on to say that he remains available if circumstances should change, but

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those are the views of Sir Alex Allen.

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Mr Speaker, the key issue is who makes the judgement on whether

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there has been a breach of the Ministerial Code? This is what Lord

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Leveson said, "I will not be make ago judgement on whether there has

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been a breach of it. That is simply not my job." That is the job of Sir

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Alex Allen. Now let's take one of the issues that was - Mr Speaker, I

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know they have been well whipped. I can see they have been well well

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whip today! They have -- whipped today! They have got the memo from

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the Prime Minister... They have got the memo from the Prime Minister's

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aide because he is sending memos around. The last one began,

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"comrades." I like the sound of that, Mr

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Speaker. We need a protective wall of sound! Last week we rather dried

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up. Please show sufficient stamina for the full half-hour.

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Now, now, now, Mr Speaker. Let's take one of the issues that was not

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raised at the Leveson Inquiry. The Culture Secretary told this House

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on 25th April and I quote, "I made -- there is no point in the part-

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time chancellor trying to give him the answer before I asked the

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question! I made absolutely no intervention in a quay zi judicial

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process that was at the time was the responsibility of the Business

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Secretary. Yet now we know he wrote a memo to the Prime Minister that

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said, "If we block it, our media sector will suffer for years."

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Account Prime Minister confirm in that answer on 25th April, the

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Culture Secretary was not straight with this House of Commons?

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Well, first of all, let me explain on hour side of the House, comrades

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is a term of endearment! It is not an official title!

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LAUGHTER If I can explain it in that way.

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The point is, all comrades, of course. Look, the point about the

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Ministerial Code is it is the job of the Prime Minister to make the

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judgement about the Ministerial Code and I have made that judgement.

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I have quoted to him, I quoted to him what Sir Alex Allen says and

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Sir Alex Allen is very clear that he couldn't usefully add to the

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facts in this case. Now I'm sorry, I'm sorry that the whole political

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strategy behind his opposition motion has collapsed, but

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nonetheless that is the fact of the case. Now, he asks very

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specifically about the note that the Culture Secretary sent to me on

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19th November and I would refer to him in that note he specifically

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says it would be completely wrong to go against the proper regulatory

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procedures and that's what the truth of what has happened in

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recent days is that the Culture Secretary gave a very full account

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of his actions to the Leveson Inquiry and he demonstrated that

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when it came to the BSkyB bid he took independent advice at every

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part of the process. He followed independent advice at every point

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of the process which is a contrast to how the last Government behaved.

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Mr Speaker, let's be clear about what the Prime Minister is claiming.

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He is claiming when the Culture Secretary told this House I made no

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interventions seeking to influence a judicial decision that a memo to

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the Prime Minister is insignificant document in relation to a decision

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the Government has to make. The first time in political history

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that's the case. If the case is so strong of the Prime Minister, why

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is his deputy not supporting him? Well, first of all, let me read

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what this note said on 19th November. It said this. This is

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from the Culture Secretary and I quote "it would be totally wrong

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for the Government to get involved in a competition issue which has to

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be decided at arm's length." That's what he said. When he got

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responsibility, when he got responsibility for this dossier, he

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behaved in exactly that way. Let me make one point. By the the way the

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whole reason we are discussing this take-over is because the last

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Government changed the law to allow a foreign company to own a British

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broadcasting licence. This is a point, this is a point that they

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conveniently forget. Now, he asked me very specifically about the

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Deputy Prime Minister. Let me be absolutely frank. What What we are

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talking about here is the relationships that Conservative

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politicians and frankly Labour politicians have had over the last

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20 years with with News Corporation, News International and all the rest

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of it. To be fair to the Liberal Democrats, they didn't have that

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relationship and their abstention tonight is to make that point and I

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understand that it is politics. THE SPEAKER: Order. Order. Order.

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The House House must calm down. Order. Mr Ed Miliband.

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I have to say he has reached a new state of delusion I mean really and

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truly! You know, Mr Speaker, he just wants to talk about the past!

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He was - he just wants to talk about the past, Mr Speaker. He was

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the future once! Now, isn't the truth and isn't the

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truth, and isn't the truth the Deputy Prime Minister, the Deputy

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Prime Minister, the Deputy Prime Minister says the bid, says the

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decision should go to the independent adviser. The

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Conservative Chair of the Committee of standards in public life, the

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Conservative chair of the Public Administration Committee says it

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should be referred. The former Chair of the Committee on standards

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in public life says it should be referred. Isn't the truth, the

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reason he won't refer him to the independent adviser is because he

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is scared the Culture Secretary won't be cleared?

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Well, imitation is the sincerist form of flattery. Well, the clear,

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he says we're talking about the past. There are elements of this.

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This whole Leveson Inquiry, the whole problem of the relationship

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between politicians and the press some of it is about the past and we

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had a little insight into that when the former Prime Minister gave

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evidence and he said this. He said, "The one thing I can say definitely,

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the one thing I can say definitely is no one in my position would have

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instructed briefing against a senior minister."

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LAUGHTER I can tell you - perhaps, perhaps,

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perhaps the victims can put their hand up. Any takers? I don't need

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Sir Alex Allen to adjudicate on that one!

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Everyone knows it was the Prime Minister who decided to appoint the

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Culture Secretary to oversee the bid and it is the Prime Minister

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who is clinging on to him now in the face of all the evidence.

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Doesn't he realise it is no longer about the Culture Secretary's

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judgement, it is about the Prime Minister's judgement which is so

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badly flawed even his deputy won't support him.

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Well, I do hope the England football team are better at putting

:42:47.:42:53.

the ball in the back of the net. Look, the point is, it is for the

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adviserer on ministerial standards to discover the facts. My judgement

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is we should let the Culture Secretary get on with organising

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the most important important event which is the Olympics. When we come

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on to the Olympics, let us consider this - if there was an Olympic

:43:08.:43:12.

medal for double standards and hypocrisy, the Labour Party would

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be well in the running. I'm really very worried about the

:43:22.:43:25.

conduct of the Education Secretary. In the average classroom he would

:43:25.:43:35.
:43:35.:43:35.

have been excluded by now. He must As we remember those who fell 30

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years ago during the Falklands war, Argentina continues to dispute

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British sovereignty over those islands. Yet Argentina also

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continues to receive loans worth billions of pounds from the World

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Bank of which British taxpayers are a major shareholder. Will the Prime

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Minister join President Obama in instructing his officials to vote

:43:57.:44:01.

against anymore such loans to Argentina?

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I think my honourable friend makes an important point. No British

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taxpayers money is is spent on world banks loans to Argentina. A

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an important point is what happened yesterday which is the Falkland

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islanders decided to hold a referendum. Argentina is trying to

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hide this argument and pretend the views of the of the Falkland

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islanders don't matter, they do matter.

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The Prime Minister said he believes the Leveson Inquiry dealt with the

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relevant issues regarding the Secretary of State for culture,

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media and sport, but it did not deal with section 11 A of the

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financial services and markets Act which deals with market abuse and

:44:52.:44:55.

the passing of information to one party in a market situation which

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is not available to others. Given the hundreds of texts, e-mails and

:45:00.:45:04.

memos in this situation, will he ask the Financial Services

:45:04.:45:07.

Authority to examine the evidence, see whether there has been a breach

:45:08.:45:17.
:45:18.:45:19.

of section 11 A or any other part Clearly there are very strict rules

:45:19.:45:23.

governing all of these areas. The point I would mate to him is there

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is no doubt the special adviser behave wrongly and that is why he

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offered his resignation and white was accepted.

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Mr Speaker, I am sure all members will congratulate the volunteers

:45:34.:45:39.

who raised �6.5 million to recognise the contribution and

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sacrifice in the Second World War by Bomber Command personnel. For

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the memorial to be opened by Her Majesty the Queen on June the 28th.

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But the costs of security on the day have risen sharply and despite

:45:52.:45:56.

necessary constraints on all government expenditure, would my

:45:56.:45:57.

right honourable friend consider financial support from the

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government to make sure veterans and their relations are properly

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looked after? I think my honourable friend is

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right to raise this issue. Bomber Command, many people served in

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Bomber Command in the Second World War, many people lost their lives

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and it is right there will be this this -- splendid memorial unveiled

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by Her Majesty the Queen. These memorials tend to be paid for by

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public subscriptions. I will look carefully at what he says. The

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Department for Culture, Media and Sport does have an ability to

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intervene when monuments are done on a national basis. I'm sure the

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Culture Secretary would have been listening carefully.

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Due to top-down government health cuts, South Tees hospitals have had

:46:47.:46:52.

reduced services leaving both hospitals uncertain of their future.

:46:52.:46:55.

Would the Prime Minister support his Foreign Secretary who said to a

:46:55.:46:59.

crowd of 4,000 people, that the government NHS cuts are

:46:59.:47:03.

unacceptable? First of all, I would point out

:47:03.:47:08.

that the increases in health spending for his Primary Care Trust

:47:08.:47:13.

is at 2.9 % increase and an �8.2 million increase for the current

:47:13.:47:17.

year. That is what is happening. The only reason more money is going

:47:17.:47:20.

into the health service in his constituency is because this

:47:20.:47:24.

coalition government decided to invest in our NHS, against the

:47:24.:47:28.

advice that we receive from the party opposite who think increases

:47:28.:47:33.

in health spending are irresponsible.

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Question number six, closed question, Mr Philip Hollobone.

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As my honourable friend nose, cabinet meetings are occasionally

:47:41.:47:47.

held outside London, not least so we can get different ministers to

:47:47.:47:51.

meet with different organisations. The Cabinet has met in Bradford,

:47:51.:47:57.

Ipswich, Derby, Cardiff and the Olympic Park. Locations for future

:47:58.:48:02.

meetings will be announced in due course. Were the Cabinet to come to

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Kettering, it would be able to congratulate Kettering Borough

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Council on its pledge to freeze council tax for the next five years

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and to celebrate the Department for Transport's funding for the wedding

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-- widening of the Kettering bypass. Will be right honourable friend

:48:26.:48:30.

agreed to invest in the Midland Mainline which would make a big

:48:30.:48:34.

difference to the Kettering economy? I joined my it honourable

:48:34.:48:38.

friend it in congratulating his Borough Council and it shows what a

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valuable -- the value for money Conservative councils can provide.

:48:42.:48:47.

We are committed to a lecture find 300 miles of railway routes. That

:48:47.:48:51.

compares with just nine miles which were at a lecture fired under 13

:48:52.:48:56.

years of the last Labour government. There is a large amount of support

:48:56.:49:01.

for the Midland Mainline a lecture vocation. A decision will be made

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and I will listen very carefully to what he says.

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Given that the purpose of the Leveson Inquiry is to get out the

:49:11.:49:14.

unvarnished truth about the unhealthy relationship between some

:49:14.:49:18.

politicians and the media, why do government ministers, including

:49:18.:49:25.

himself, need to be briefed by lawyers and coached by lawyers

:49:25.:49:31.

before attending to give evidence? What ministers I'm sure I doing is

:49:31.:49:35.

you have to be familiarise yourself with a huge amount of evidence

:49:35.:49:39.

going back over seven years. I have provided to the Leveson Inquiry,

:49:39.:49:44.

for instance, all the evidence I can find with meetings of press

:49:44.:49:49.

proprietors and the press going back to 2005. There is a huge

:49:49.:49:52.

amount of information preparation and I think that is entirely

:49:52.:49:56.

appropriate. My constituency has a height

:49:56.:50:00.

recycling rate, the best in the north-west. Does the Prime Minister

:50:00.:50:04.

believe it is right for a huge waste burning incinerated to be

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built there, an incinerator rejected by the local planning

:50:08.:50:12.

board, overwhelmingly opposed by my constituents and which would

:50:12.:50:15.

involve transporting lorryloads of waste hundreds of miles across the

:50:15.:50:19.

country? Will he do what he can to stop an inappropriate development

:50:19.:50:25.

which surely cannot be called environmentally sustainable?

:50:25.:50:28.

completely understand the honourable lady's concern and she

:50:28.:50:31.

is right to raise this issue. I understand her disappointment that

:50:31.:50:36.

this has been appealed against the local planning board's decision.

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But as she knows, peels like this can be made -- appeals. She can

:50:45.:50:50.

make her views clear. There is a need to take into account the size

:50:50.:50:53.

and scale of any proposed development and also to look at the

:50:53.:50:57.

potential effect of any local communities and I'm sure she will

:50:57.:51:01.

want to make those points. The Prime Minister will be aware of

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the latest British Social attitudes survey showing a record fall in

:51:06.:51:09.

public satisfaction with the NHS. My question is this, I would

:51:09.:51:14.

appreciate an answer, because the Health Secretary would not give one

:51:14.:51:17.

yesterday. Will the Prime Minister intervene to stop the scandal of

:51:17.:51:21.

the NHS having to rely on charitable donations having to fund

:51:21.:51:29.

the purchase of the latest radiotherapy equipment? What I have

:51:29.:51:33.

to say it is this government is putting record sums into the health

:51:33.:51:36.

service, we are increasing the money into the health service but

:51:37.:51:41.

if he wants me to stand here and criticise the volunteers and the

:51:41.:51:45.

charities and the big society that provides so many scanners and great

:51:45.:51:49.

Sheen's for our health service, I will not do that. I think it adds

:51:49.:51:57.

to our health service. There is a 2011 survey of people who used the

:51:57.:52:00.

health service, rather than asking people about their perceptions, and

:52:00.:52:05.

that found 92 % of in-patients rated their overall experience as

:52:05.:52:09.

good, very good or excellent. That is what is happening in our health

:52:09.:52:15.

service and we should be proud of Can I ask the Prime Minister, will

:52:15.:52:18.

the Government go ahead with high speed to, a project which is

:52:18.:52:23.

extremely important to the economy and jobs in the north. If the

:52:23.:52:27.

answer is yes, can I suggest we start laying the track in West

:52:27.:52:32.

Yorkshire first? I am grateful for that enthusiastic endorsement. I

:52:32.:52:42.
:52:42.:52:42.

believe we should go ahead with eight just too. -- H S two. In

:52:42.:52:46.

links to the question asked by his neighbour about Heathrow, there are

:52:46.:52:51.

many flights which could be avoided if we had a network of high-speed

:52:51.:52:54.

rail in our country and I'm keen that we press ahead with it.

:52:55.:52:58.

Before the last general election, the Prime Minister made an

:52:58.:53:03.

important speech condemning crony capitalism with money buying power,

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power fishing for money and a cosy club at the top making decisions at

:53:07.:53:16.

their own interest. Is this not a pitch perfect description of the

:53:16.:53:20.

undignified courting of News Corporation by the Culture

:53:20.:53:24.

Secretary? When will the Prime Minister shows some judgment of

:53:24.:53:29.

this? If they are looking for volunteers for the Olympic team for

:53:29.:53:39.

hypocrisy, it could be the decathlete there. We had 13 years

:53:39.:53:43.

of pyjama parties, christenings, changing the law, sucking up to the

:53:43.:53:51.

Murdochs, honestly, what a load of brass neck!

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Thank you, Mr Speaker. In 44 days' time, the Olympics and Paralympics

:53:58.:54:03.

come to London. Millions of people will be coming to London to enjoy

:54:03.:54:07.

the games. Most of those individuals will be totally

:54:07.:54:11.

dependent on public transport to reach the venues. Will my right

:54:11.:54:16.

honourable friend condemn the Unite union for calling bus strikes and

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doesn't the silence from the party opposite on this subject speak

:54:20.:54:24.

volumes for that attitude to London? I think my honourable

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friend was entirely right. If you want an example of crony politics,

:54:29.:54:34.

frankly it is the fact that the party opposite get �5 million from

:54:34.:54:37.

the Unite union and when it comes to this strike that could disrupt

:54:37.:54:42.

the Olympics, absolute silence. Not a word of condemnation. It is not

:54:42.:54:47.

surprising because Unite union did not only give them the money, they

:54:47.:54:55.

pick their leader as well. The patient satisfaction survey

:54:55.:54:59.

results have shown the greatest reduction in patients' satisfaction

:54:59.:55:03.

in the history of the National Health Service. What will the Prime

:55:03.:55:07.

Minister do turnaround perceptions about the failure of the NHS and

:55:07.:55:11.

his government? Are if you look at the King's Fund who carried out

:55:11.:55:17.

this survey, they say this. There is no evidence of a real decline in

:55:18.:55:21.

service quality of performance. That is what the King's Fund say

:55:22.:55:25.

about their own survey. I would put more weight on a survey of people

:55:25.:55:31.

who have been using the NHS and the users of the NHS, 92 % of in-

:55:31.:55:36.

patients, 95 % of outpatients, rated their overall experience as

:55:36.:55:41.

good, very good or excellent. Since the election, there are 4,000 more

:55:41.:55:47.

doctors, mixed-sex accommodation is down 94 %, hospital infections are

:55:47.:55:50.

at their lowest levels since surveillance began and the number

:55:50.:55:55.

of people waiting 18 weeks is also at the lowest level since records

:55:56.:56:00.

began. Average waiting times are down as well. The health service is

:56:00.:56:03.

performing extremely well and we should praise all those who have

:56:03.:56:08.

delivered that performance. The Prime Minister will be aware

:56:08.:56:12.

that there is a current shortage of primary school places across our

:56:13.:56:17.

country. Is particularly acute in Winchester where there are

:56:17.:56:21.

temporary classrooms to accommodate pupils for this September. What is

:56:21.:56:24.

the government doing to help councils in this Goldie and whether

:56:24.:56:28.

he is confident enough is being done to prevent a repeat of this

:56:28.:56:35.

performance when these pupils reach secondary school? -- This Old Year.

:56:35.:56:39.

This is becoming an issue. What the Department for Education has done

:56:39.:56:46.

is put aside �1.4 billion of schools' capital and a further �1.4

:56:46.:56:50.

billion for the subsequent year. There is also the opportunity

:56:50.:56:53.

through free schools to have excellent new schools established

:56:53.:56:57.

in constituencies so we not only get new capacity but it -- we get

:56:58.:57:02.

the competition and choice which I believe will drive up standards.

:57:02.:57:08.

The use of food banks in Plymouth has gone up from 792 nearly 4,000

:57:09.:57:14.

in a year. Is the Prime Minister proud of the fact that changes to

:57:14.:57:18.

his benefit arrangements have caused this to happen? There is no

:57:18.:57:22.

doubt about that. Is he therefore going to stand up and say, that is

:57:22.:57:27.

fine, food banks are lovely. Yes, they are lovely and the people of

:57:27.:57:35.

Plymouth are magnificent but will he... Will he passed the buck on

:57:36.:57:42.

this and go for the gold medal in passing the buck as he has...

:57:42.:57:45.

Prime Minister. First of all that may join her in praising the people

:57:46.:57:50.

of Plymouth who do you huge amount for their neighbours and members of

:57:50.:57:54.

their community. That is all for the good. Yes, we have had to make

:57:54.:57:57.

difficult decisions but we have protected tax credits for the least

:57:57.:58:00.

well-off, we have protected benefits for the least well-off.

:58:00.:58:05.

The biggest welfare reform that we have made is to put a cap on

:58:05.:58:07.

welfare where we have said, you should not be able to get on

:58:07.:58:11.

welfare more than the average family gets in work, and when we

:58:11.:58:19.

put that forward, �26,500 a year, the party opposite voted against it.

:58:19.:58:21.

Kamal right honourable friend tell the House how much it would cost

:58:21.:58:25.

the country to take part in the bail-out of Spain's banks this week

:58:25.:58:29.

he had not stood up for Britain and got us out of the previous

:58:29.:58:32.

government's commitment? honourable friend makes an

:58:32.:58:36.

important point. Before this government came to power, bail-outs

:58:36.:58:39.

were carried out with Britain playing a full part in those bail

:58:39.:58:46.

out, often as much as 14 % of the total. 100 billion euros bail-out

:58:46.:58:51.

of Spain, Britain could have been paying as much as 14 billion euros,

:58:51.:58:55.

�10 billion. That money has been saved because this government,

:58:55.:59:02.

unlike the last one, stands up for Britain in Europe.

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Prime Minister, and on the shambles of a budget you claimed you had

:59:08.:59:14.

read, a double-dip recession you made in Downing Street, and a Tory

:59:14.:59:18.

lead committee reporting that the coalition lacks strategic direction,

:59:18.:59:23.

evidence if it was ever needed that men can multi-tasking, obviously

:59:23.:59:27.

just that some are not very good at it. Prime Minister, have you now

:59:27.:59:33.

run out of steam or is the job just too big for you? Prime Minister.

:59:33.:59:37.

I'm pleased my honourable friend the education secretary is

:59:37.:59:40.

introducing compulsory poetry reading lessons in class and

:59:40.:59:46.

perhaps we could start with the honourable gentleman.

:59:46.:59:56.

Order. Order. What is route is for people to continue shouting when

:59:56.:59:59.

they have been asked not to do so. I know the Honourable Member for

:59:59.:00:03.

Cohen valid is exceptionally well- behaved and he will sit in his

:00:03.:00:10.

usual quiet, respectful fashion. Mr David Burrows. Thank you. The Prime

:00:10.:00:14.

Minister has called for compassion for my constituent, Garry MacKinnon,

:00:14.:00:21.

who doctors report will take his life if he is extradited. Can the

:00:21.:00:25.

government be true to its word and stop the extradition and finally,

:00:25.:00:30.

after ten years, give Garry MacKinnon his life back? I know my

:00:30.:00:34.

honourable friend has campaigned long and hard over this issue. The

:00:34.:00:37.

Home Secretary is carefully considering a wide range of

:00:37.:00:42.

material before making her decision. She has instructed two independent

:00:42.:00:46.

medical experts to review the report that have been submitted in

:00:46.:00:51.

this case. This is not an easy case, as he knows. There are a number of

:00:51.:00:55.

difficult issues before she makes an announcement.

:00:55.:01:01.

The popular NHS walk-in centre in my constituency has recently closed.

:01:01.:01:05.

These NHS walk-in centres are closing all over the country, why?

:01:05.:01:08.

It is certainly not because the money in the NHS is being cut

:01:08.:01:12.

because it is not being cut. The money in the NHS is being increased.

:01:12.:01:16.

If we had followed her advice, the money would be going down. What

:01:17.:01:21.

matters is the money in the NHS is spent to deliver better health

:01:21.:01:28.

outcomes. That is a decision which needs to be taken locally. Giving

:01:28.:01:33.

the fascinating evidence that was presented by his predecessor to the

:01:33.:01:36.

Leveson Inquiry, with the Prime Minister agree with me that it

:01:36.:01:40.

would be overwhelmingly in the public interest, to publish the

:01:40.:01:43.

Downing Street phone records so we can finally establish what

:01:44.:01:47.

conversations happened between his predecessor and Rupert Murdoch?

:01:47.:01:51.

my honourable friend nose, governments cannot release

:01:51.:01:54.

information provided by previous governments but I'm sure this is an

:01:54.:01:58.

issue that the previous Prime Minister will want to consider,

:01:58.:02:03.

given the clear statement that he made.

:02:03.:02:07.

The Prime Minister will probably not be aware that a firm in my

:02:07.:02:12.

constituency produces cream liqueurs and other alcohol products.

:02:12.:02:20.

I do not know if he ever relaxes with his. I have recently beat

:02:20.:02:28.

planning a �10 million investment - - recently been planning. However,

:02:28.:02:34.

they are now worried that HMRC are reinterpreting how they treat these

:02:34.:02:39.

products for duty, under pressure from the European Commission with

:02:39.:02:42.

their erroneous interpretation of the European Court of Justice. Will

:02:42.:02:48.

he ensure that a competent Treasury Minister makes myself and other MPs

:02:48.:02:53.

to ensure that common sense and consistency prevails.

:02:53.:03:00.

I have not tried one of these delicious sounding their fridges.

:03:00.:03:02.

If it is all right with the honourable gentleman I will wait

:03:02.:03:08.

until after tomorrow before trying. -- beverages. I do understand there

:03:08.:03:13.

is an issue with HMRC and I'm happy to arrange a meeting so they can

:03:13.:03:19.

look closely at this issue. Unprecedented levels of flooding

:03:19.:03:24.

hit the North Caribbean communities at the weekend causing untold

:03:24.:03:29.

damage to business has -- Ceredigion. I think the Prime

:03:29.:03:36.

Minister for his words of support and I know the council, emergency

:03:36.:03:39.

services and many in the local community rallied to ensure no loss

:03:39.:03:46.

of life. Can I urge the Prime Minister to urge all insurance

:03:46.:03:50.

companies to act now with renewed speed on this so we can get the

:03:50.:03:56.

communities back on their feet as quickly as possible? I certainly

:03:56.:03:58.

joined my honourable friend in praising the emergency services who

:03:58.:04:04.

did a superb job at the weekend. I spoke to the Welsh Secretary and

:04:04.:04:07.

also the Welsh First Minister to pass on what my best wishes for the

:04:07.:04:11.

work they have done. In all the situations, there is clearly the

:04:11.:04:15.

rescue and emergency part of it. Then there is the recovery phase. I

:04:15.:04:18.

think in many ways the most difficult phase to get right is

:04:18.:04:23.

when people are going back into soaked homes with peeled plaster

:04:23.:04:26.

and all the other problems that come about and making sure they get

:04:26.:04:29.

swift action from the district council and above all from the

:04:29.:04:32.

insurance companies. I will certainly worked with him to make

:04:32.:04:42.
:04:42.:04:43.

There is civil war in Syria. The economy is in recession. The

:04:43.:04:47.

Chancellor is blaming that recession on the eurozone crisis.

:04:47.:04:51.

The eurozone crisis gets worse by the day. There were riots in Poland

:04:51.:04:56.

last night and major demonstrations in Moscow. But the exchange at PMQs

:04:56.:05:00.

was dominated by the future of the Culture Secretary, Mr Hunt. We will

:05:00.:05:03.

talk about that in a minute. First, we hear what you thought.

:05:03.:05:08.

Well, you have just stolen my thunder because that's that's

:05:08.:05:12.

exactly what a lot of the viewers said. They did wonder why it was

:05:12.:05:19.

that most of PMQs was devoted to Jeremy Hunt. So we had this from

:05:19.:05:25.

Kevin from London. "is the euro about to collapse? Is there civil

:05:25.:05:31.

war in Syria? What are they on about?" We had this from a Jeremy

:05:31.:05:36.

Hunt "does the Westminster Village think the rest of the world really

:05:36.:05:42.

cares about this?" We will never if it was from the Jeremy Hunt.

:05:42.:05:45.

Jacqueline in Bristol says, "Ed Miliband quoting David Cameron

:05:45.:05:54.

about being the future once. The delivery was so poor he could get a

:05:54.:06:01.

raspberry for it." Surely sooner or later Jeremy Hunt's conduct will

:06:01.:06:05.

have to be properly investigated. Well, they went with Jeremy Hunt so

:06:05.:06:08.

we better talk about it. We have had this letter, the Prime Minister

:06:08.:06:12.

has unveiled this letter from the man that is supposed to look after

:06:12.:06:16.

the Ministerial Code just explain to our viewers, Nick, what happened.

:06:16.:06:19.

If David Cameron had written the letter himself, he wouldn't have

:06:19.:06:23.

written it differently. The independent adviser on ministerial

:06:23.:06:26.

interests, the person the Labour Party have been saying must look

:06:26.:06:31.

into this case has written to him and I'm going to para phrase. He

:06:31.:06:36.

said the facts came out in the Leveson Inquiry. There is no value

:06:36.:06:40.

in me looking for more facts. He says, "I remain open to looking

:06:40.:06:46.

after it if if things change." David Cameron said "it was my job

:06:46.:06:50.

to decide whether the code was broken. My job therefore, to decide

:06:50.:06:56.

whether Hunt should stay or go. The role of the adviser was to

:06:56.:07:00.

establish the facts." I have gone back to look at this great thing,

:07:00.:07:05.

the Ministerial Code. Right. Let's read what it says. "if

:07:05.:07:08.

there is an allegation about a breach of the code and the Prime

:07:08.:07:12.

Minister having consulted the Cabinet Secretary feels that it

:07:12.:07:19.

warrants further investigation, he will refer the matter to the

:07:19.:07:23.

independent adviser." It is up to the Prime Minister. So people who

:07:23.:07:28.

think that Hunt should have gone, they are saying, "You should have

:07:28.:07:34.

got rid of him." Would Ed Miliband, if he is Prime Minister, say, "Your

:07:34.:07:39.

job in the Cabinet, he hands over to someone else to decide whether

:07:39.:07:44.

you stay or go." My guess, he wouldn't.

:07:44.:07:48.

The Prime Minister is the gatekeeper. One of the things we

:07:48.:07:50.

have been discussing in Parliament and outside of Parliament over the

:07:50.:07:54.

last two weeks because we have been on recess is the issue is whether

:07:54.:07:58.

the Prime Minister should be the gatekeeper bearing in mind the self

:07:58.:08:01.

interest the Prime Minister clearly has. The issue of who is a minister

:08:01.:08:05.

should be the job for the Prime Minister. The issue of who resolves

:08:05.:08:07.

whether there has been a breach of ministerial codes bearing in mind

:08:07.:08:12.

you have an independent ministerial adviser, should be the independent

:08:12.:08:16.

ministerial adviser. If there is evidence of a breach, you refer it

:08:16.:08:19.

to the independent adviser and that's what should have happened in

:08:19.:08:23.

this case. That opens the possibility and it

:08:23.:08:25.

would be interesting if this was the case that the Prime Minister

:08:25.:08:28.

gets a report, an independent report report saying someone has

:08:28.:08:32.

breached the Ministerial Code, but says, "I choose to keep them."

:08:32.:08:36.

sanction should be the job for the Prime Minister. He decides whether

:08:36.:08:41.

a minister is appointed or stays. You need assistance sometimes for

:08:41.:08:46.

somebody to look at the evidence and decide whether somebody...

:08:46.:08:51.

David Cameron is basically saying and I think he regrets the way this

:08:51.:08:56.

Ministerial Code was written. He says, "It is up to me who is in my

:08:56.:09:01.

Cabinet and if you don't like it, vote for another party." It was

:09:01.:09:05.

updated by David Cameron when he came Prime Minister in 2010.

:09:05.:09:09.

Because he wanted to have a new style of of politics, he updated

:09:09.:09:13.

and change it had. He says, "We, the foreies, must be

:09:13.:09:19.

different." His letter to Alex Allen was sent today and he

:09:19.:09:23.

received a reply today. Who remains in the Government has

:09:23.:09:26.

to be a matter for the Prime Minister. In the end, it has to be

:09:26.:09:28.

for the Prime Minister. He has taken that decision. He has the

:09:28.:09:33.

option of seeking advice, but the facts of the case have been

:09:33.:09:37.

exhaustively examined on television, under oath by a judicial inquiry

:09:37.:09:42.

and really, I I nothing new has emerged over the last two months to

:09:42.:09:45.

show that there has been a serious breach.

:09:45.:09:48.

What hasn't been examined and that's the substance of the Labour

:09:48.:09:51.

motion today, and what the Liberal Democrats are going to abstain on

:09:51.:09:56.

is the suggestion that he breached the Ministerial Code A, by

:09:56.:09:59.

misleading Parliament, Leveson didn't discuss that, and by failing

:09:59.:10:04.

to control his special adviser. Clearly, the facts on the special

:10:04.:10:08.

adviser was was looked into at Leveson, but there was never - did

:10:08.:10:11.

you fail to control your special adviser.

:10:11.:10:14.

We have had one debate and he is going to explain the answers he

:10:14.:10:19.

gave which were superseded by the evidence he laid in front of

:10:19.:10:23.

Leveson, a huge amount of text and e-mails and he will tear clear that

:10:23.:10:30.

up -- he will clear that up. They will have to look at the role of a

:10:30.:10:33.

special adviser. There were two other things that

:10:33.:10:37.

came out that are transport issues that I'm interested in. PMQs kicked

:10:37.:10:42.

off with a question from Zac Goldsmith, a great environmentalist

:10:42.:10:47.

whose constituency is on the Heathrow flightpath. He told the

:10:47.:10:51.

Prime Minister, "You are going to stick, aren't you to your Tory

:10:51.:10:56.

commitment to not build a third runway?" The Prime Minister did not

:10:56.:11:01.

say yes at all. When he came to HS 2 and the high-speed railway, the

:11:01.:11:06.

Prime Minister said, "I am in favour of this." But I am told the

:11:06.:11:10.

project is being kicked into the long grass and that HS 2 is not

:11:10.:11:15.

going to happen in the foreseeable future. It is interesting there

:11:15.:11:20.

maybe a U-turn in the making over the runway and HS 2 being kicked

:11:21.:11:26.

into the long grass. There maybe a U-turn on the runway, but not until

:11:26.:11:29.

the next manifesto. I don't think David Cameron thinks he could get

:11:29.:11:32.

away with either in coalition with the Liberal Democrats or with some

:11:32.:11:36.

of his own supportsers like Zac Goldsmith or with the people in

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West London who voted a particular way because of the Tory manifesto.

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He couldn't get away with a U-turn until he put it to the country

:11:44.:11:46.

again. There is pressure from business on the Conservative Party

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to come up with a solution to this aviation crisis. A, on high-speed 2,

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the anxiety I'm told is about money. The Treasury was always relaxed

:11:56.:12:00.

about high-speed 2 because it was so many years away it didn't have

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anything to do with the period at which our deficit was being cut.

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The problem is that the Chancellor told us, it will take more years

:12:07.:12:12.

than originally planned to cut the deficit and therefore, you get a

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cross over the moment the Treasury is trying to cut spending, it comes

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at the same time as this massive investment to pay for high-speed 2.

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If you speak to businesses inside this country and outside this

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country, one of the biggest criticisms is lack of transport

:12:27.:12:31.

infrastructure to get to this country and to get freight around

:12:31.:12:34.

and other things around as well. If Nick is right, another example of

:12:34.:12:41.

the needs of our country being acraifiesed for the -- sacrificed

:12:41.:12:45.

for the greater good of the two political parties in charge at the

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moment. There are different issues, the

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airport capacity issue is a major issue. Heathrow is full. We are

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going to get a consultation document calling for evidence as to

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how we use our airports we are and where people think the next runway

:13:05.:13:13.

should be built across the South East or elsewhere. How long will

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that take? How long is a longer project.

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Even longer now. So these are different projects.

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Labour fought the last election in favour of a third runway at

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Heathrow and the other two parties were against it. After you lost,

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you changed your policy to be against a third runway.

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I heard your transport spokeswoman tell me that you were against it.

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You are reviewing the policy? are reviewing our transport policy

:13:45.:13:50.

which includes aviation, but we are in favour of high-speed two.

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You would like to see that go ahead? High tweed two? Yes -- high-

:13:55.:13:59.

speed two? Yes. The issue is we are told by this

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this chancellor he will bring forward projects and he needs to do

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so and the good thing about high- speed two, you have a number of

:14:09.:14:12.

different revenue streams to help fund it, but you have got a

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situation where Crossrail will be finishing shortly and it will be

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easy to transfer the skills from Crossrail to high-speed two.

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It will be finished by 2015. High-speed two is a a longer term

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project and it requires legislation to go before Parliament. It wasn't

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on the Queen's Speech, was it? Delay. Delay. Delay.

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You didn't do anything for 13 years about high-speed railways. We are

:14:41.:14:45.

getting on with it, but it is a long-term project.

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Crossrail was announced in 1986, it is now 2012! Things happen quickly

:14:51.:14:58.

Five years ago, Gary Newlove was murdered by three youths outside

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his home in Warrington. He had gone outside to speak to a gang of

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youths who he believed had been vandalising his wife Helen's car.

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Since then Helen, now Baroness Newlove, has been determined to

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make sure her husband's death is not just another statistic. For

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this week's soapbox, we joined her on an estate in Havering, East

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London, one of the neighbourhoods across England and Wales where she

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has been trying to tackle anti- social behaviour through community

:15:21.:15:31.
:15:31.:15:31.

The police have named the man who died after confronting a gang of

:15:31.:15:38.

youths outside his home. He was Garry Newlove. Detectives described

:15:38.:15:42.

his murder as sickening. On the 10th August 2007, my family

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life ended as I knew T my husband, Garry Newlove, was attacked by a

:15:46.:15:51.

gang of youths. He was kicked in the head 14 times and suffered 40

:15:51.:15:56.

internal injuries. My neighbourhood suffered from under-age and binge-

:15:56.:16:04.

drinking. I attended my local meetings, spoke

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to my local agencies who classed anti-social behaviour as low level

:16:08.:16:18.
:16:18.:16:20.

crime. So no action was done. Everybody has a right to live

:16:20.:16:24.

safely and happily in their communities. Under-age and binge-

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drinking drags communities down. That is why I was pleased to be

:16:28.:16:31.

made a Baroness In the House of Lords, giving me a national

:16:31.:16:33.

platform to champion the voices of communities who suffer such

:16:33.:16:38.

problems. We have to stop under-age and

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binge-drinking. Stop shops from selling alcohol to under-age

:16:42.:16:48.

drinkers. If need be, close them down if they persist. Stop street

:16:48.:16:54.

drinking. Make drinking more sociable and not anti-social and

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working the trade. Working together helps everybody.

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Hello, Syd. How are you? It is lovely to see you.

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There is a hidden team of people who work tirelessly without seeking

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reward or recognise recognition to make life better for everyone. We

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are in Havering where the spirit flourishes. The generations have

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reached an understanding of mutual tolerance. People work with the

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authorities for the good of the community.

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I am working with ten areas across the country over the next few years

:17:31.:17:36.

who have access to to �1 million funding, bringing communities

:17:36.:17:43.

together to drive down social be behaviour. I do this passionately

:17:43.:17:47.

because I do not want another family to suffer the highest price

:17:48.:17:53.

my family paid. Helen Newlove is with us now. It is

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very tough for you in the way you lost your husband, but you picked

:17:56.:18:00.

yourself up and you are working hard to help communities battle

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against binge-drinking and other social problems. What keeps you

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going? I think listening to people's problems in communities

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and I was a community activist where I lived. I had terrible

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problems. My neighbours suffered terrible problems with the cars,

:18:14.:18:20.

alcohol was thrown in our gardens. People were urinenating up the

:18:20.:18:23.

fences and there is only so much you can take. We attended community

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meetings where we had the police and the councillors and everybody

:18:26.:18:31.

else and it was walking away from one of the meetings that I said

:18:31.:18:34.

until somebody is murdered they will not do anything. Little did I

:18:34.:18:37.

know it would be Gary. For me, listening to going through the

:18:37.:18:41.

trial and and listening to people today, who are suffering the same

:18:41.:18:44.

problems, if gives me the passion to do something because it should

:18:44.:18:48.

never ever happen. You should feel safe where you live.

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You have explained about the social problems. Do you think those sh use

:18:51.:18:55.

that you have mentioned -- issues that you mentioned which some of

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the agencies deal with and say it is a low lying anti-social

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behaviour and crime, do you think those are the problems that can

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lead to what happened to your husband? I get infuriated when they

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say "low level crime." When they don't live there, it is infuriating.

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My mailbag is full of people who shut their curtains, frightened to

:19:17.:19:21.

go out, they cross the road, that is not low level crime. To me, it

:19:21.:19:29.

is a silent killer and we need to nip it in the bud fast.

:19:29.:19:33.

Do you think binge-drinking is the whole issue? Do you think that's

:19:33.:19:36.

the biggest driver of the crimes and social problems that you are

:19:36.:19:39.

talking about? It is one of the drivers. Alcohol-related crime is

:19:39.:19:46.

horrendous because it is a come buston of things. You become anti-

:19:46.:19:53.

social to people and you get violent. Gary suffered 14 kicks to

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the head. 15 people were around him. This was on a summer's evening and

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he was in shorts and he asked one single question. You have to look

:20:00.:20:05.

at the indicators, but in rural areas, people are having their

:20:05.:20:13.

tractors pinched and people laugh when I say, "We have got Tractor

:20:13.:20:17.

Watch." They can't employee workers. These are real problems and we

:20:17.:20:20.

should not dismiss them as low level crimes and I will never give

:20:20.:20:24.

it a low level crime because Gary started off as anti-social

:20:24.:20:27.

behaviour and he lost his life and I had to turn his life support

:20:27.:20:35.

machine off. How do you class that How do you get communities

:20:35.:20:40.

involved? Are they not frightened to some extent to do what you were

:20:40.:20:48.

doing? The model used was in Havering, east London. How to get

:20:48.:20:55.

people to patrol the streets and Aaron way or patrol the neighbours?

:20:55.:21:00.

Everybody said to me, we need to know what the ingredients are. If I

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knew the ingredients I would have a top saleswoman plaque on my

:21:03.:21:08.

shoulder. You cannot say but these people are very passionate. They

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are sick of living in these blighted areas. At the end of the

:21:12.:21:17.

day, if you want to do something, you do not get anything done by

:21:17.:21:22.

sitting and complaining. If you want to make a change, try and

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connect. There are frightened people out there and not everybody

:21:25.:21:30.

can do it. It is to help them feel safer so them when they feel they

:21:30.:21:34.

can do it they can go out. Because it is blighted or we label them

:21:34.:21:40.

deprived areas, affluent areas, who labels them? We are all the same in

:21:40.:21:45.

life and we need to be able to live in a safer, happier place. Why was

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Havering a good place to go? I love Havering. I am a people person.

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When I went to Havering I first met them in a hall. It was very unique

:21:56.:22:01.

because we had the older generation this side, the younger generation

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this side and I was a referee in the middle. There were six

:22:05.:22:09.

youngsters who had made a DVD and they showed it and they were asking

:22:09.:22:14.

about the area. One of the things the young lad said was he thought

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the old people should be in by 8 o'clock. Then the older people said,

:22:20.:22:24.

why should I be in by 8 o'clock, I have lived here for 40 odd years.

:22:24.:22:29.

They are saying you should not be in bed, we are worried because we

:22:29.:22:34.

do not feel safe. I am connecting them now. They have done a rap

:22:34.:22:38.

Opera together, opened photograph clubs and we have a 92-year-old

:22:38.:22:44.

woman who is in charge of the community centre. What sort of help

:22:44.:22:49.

can the government give to tackle these problems? I think we are

:22:49.:22:52.

seeing their help. We have the Localism Bill and local people have

:22:52.:22:55.

a voice but they go one about the Big Society, the Prime Minister

:22:55.:23:00.

does, he did not say it to give everybody a manual. Everybody mucks

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it. When I speak to communities, they want recognition. They say, we

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are doing it, we have a great British background and we will

:23:09.:23:14.

carry on doing it. Michael Fallon, there is a big issue with binge

:23:14.:23:17.

drinking and we have talked about minimum pricing but will that be

:23:17.:23:22.

enough to stop the images of our town centres being filled with

:23:22.:23:26.

drunken yobs who take up all the time of the health services, the

:23:26.:23:31.

emergency services and the police, it cost a fortune? We are looking

:23:31.:23:36.

at the unit pricing of alcohol but we are doing other things as well.

:23:36.:23:40.

We have doubled the penalty for shops selling to under-age children.

:23:40.:23:45.

There are too many and dredge drinkers. We are giving communities

:23:45.:23:50.

assay over licences -- too many under-aged drinkers. We are making

:23:50.:23:55.

it tougher for places to get licences. We are making them

:23:55.:23:58.

contribute to the cost of clearing this stuff up. The government has

:23:58.:24:02.

got to do a lot of these little things to create a better climate.

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But in the end, it is for communities. I salute what Helen is

:24:07.:24:12.

doing. We have to start by changing little things. Changing the culture

:24:12.:24:17.

is what many people say, governments manage to change the

:24:17.:24:21.

culture in relation to smoking, the tide was turned. Why not be as

:24:21.:24:28.

radical? Banning, just for example, to be more radical not just change

:24:28.:24:36.

bits of the law, and it will not change the culture and be more

:24:36.:24:41.

dramatic about it? Unit pricing may do that, multi- buying may stop

:24:41.:24:47.

people buying great trunks together. What about banning drinking on the

:24:47.:24:56.

street? Boris Johnson bandit on the Tube. You can get an alcohol

:24:56.:25:01.

banning order in areas. We have tried it in Kent. There are some

:25:01.:25:04.

experiments. We have to look at different ways of getting the

:25:04.:25:08.

culture to change. It took a long time with smoking but we are

:25:08.:25:13.

working at it with drinking as well. Thank you, Helen.

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Remind me of giving Michael Fallon the history of American prohibition

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for Christmas. The Falkland Islands will hold a

:25:22.:25:25.

referendum next year on their future sovereignty. Yes, a

:25:25.:25:32.

referendum, fancy that?! They hope there will be a firm message to

:25:32.:25:36.

Argentina that the islanders will remain British. Comes on the 30th

:25:36.:25:41.

anniversary of the end of the Argentine occupation of the islands.

:25:41.:25:45.

David Lidington has just been updating Parliament on the plans.

:25:45.:25:49.

For our part, the British government will continue to offer

:25:49.:25:52.

unequivocal support to the islanders, by maintaining a

:25:52.:25:56.

defensive posture on the islands, by supporting the growing economy

:25:56.:26:01.

and by protecting their rights and their wishes today, just as we did

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30 years ago. The forthcoming referendum will provide I believe,

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further evidence that the islanders alone will decide their future and

:26:10.:26:15.

will offer a simple but powerful expression of democracy.

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So, how about that? A Tory lead government finally gives the

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British a referendum on sovereignty. Are you proud? Absolutely. This is

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the week we celebrate the 30th anniversary of the liberation of

:26:28.:26:34.

the Falklands. It is a clear-cut issue, do you want to stay British?

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It was done in Gibraltar a few years ago. I think it will send a

:26:39.:26:44.

strong message. If it is good enough for the Falklands, what

:26:44.:26:47.

about the rest? Where is the evidence that the people of the

:26:47.:26:52.

Falkland Islands want a referendum? I think you have seen plenty of

:26:52.:26:58.

evidence. We know what the outcome is, don't we? Do we? How do we

:26:58.:27:06.

know? It will be a minimum of 95 % in favour of the current status.

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hope so. Argentina has been reasserting its claim. It is very

:27:10.:27:14.

important that Argentina gets the wishes of loud and clear that we

:27:14.:27:19.

will respect the issues -- wishes of the islanders. What about a

:27:19.:27:23.

referendum on House of Lords reform? You can have referendums on

:27:23.:27:28.

lots of things. So specifically, House of Lords reform. There is

:27:28.:27:32.

evidence that people wanted. The plants are very controversial, as

:27:32.:27:38.

you know. Changing our constitution forever, let's have a referendum,

:27:38.:27:46.

trust the people, Michael. referendum was proposed. Will we do

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it? Be brave, Michael, you are the deputy chairman of the Conservative

:27:51.:27:56.

Party. Don't let Clegg bully you. Could we give the Falkland as a

:27:56.:28:01.

referendum on the House of Lords? And Europe! Enough.

:28:01.:28:06.

Too much teasing going on here. We have just got time to pick the

:28:06.:28:10.

winner of the get the year competition. The correct answer was

:28:10.:28:16.

1977, the year of the Silver Jubilee year and the Labour act --

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:28:26.:28:26.

Lib-Lab pact. And there we go. Alan Atkinson from Kent is the winner.

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That is it for today. We thank both Michael Fallon and Sadiq Khan for

:28:32.:28:37.

being our guests, for being good sports as well. You have to be a

:28:37.:28:42.

good sport to be on this programme, Newsnight it is not. The One

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