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Good morning. Welcome to the Daily Politics. Will Lords reform be the

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issue that drives the coalition apart? Senior Lib Dems warn there

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will be consequences if the bill doesn't get through parliament. MPs

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voted in favour of Lords reform last night. But 91 Conservatives

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voted against the plans, the biggest rebellion since the

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coalition was formed. The government also doesn't have a

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timetable for getting the bill through. So, is Nick Clegg's dream

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now dead in the water? We will be talking to the minister responsible.

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How should we pay for our care when we get old? It's a problem

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politicians have been wrestling with for years. The government's

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long awaited white paper on the issue will be published later today

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but will it answer the big questions?

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It should be a lively Prime Minister's Questions and we will

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have all the action live at midday. And do young people know what

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customer service is? We will be joined by the boss of one of

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Britain's biggest retailers, who thinks the youth of today have got

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a lot to learn. All that coming up in the next 90

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minutes of TV gold, a programme of Olympian proportions. And with us

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today for this marathon are two of Westminster's most athletic minds.

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The Constitutional reform minister Mark Harper. Not got much to do

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these days of course! And we hope to be joined, although there is an

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empty chair at the moment, by the shadow Olympics minister Dame Tessa

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Jowell. She is stuck in traffic. With the Olympics, just get used to

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it! We will let you know when the dame arrives but we don't do titles

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here. She would just be Tessa Jowell to us.

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Let's go to that a vote in the Commons. The government did win the

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vote on the principle of the proposed reform to the Lords, with

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a handsome majority. But, it is a big but, it suffered its biggest

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rebellion since it came to power. Yes, 91 Conservative MPs voted

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against the plans. What's more, the government was forced to drop its

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timetable for pushing the bill through. That throws the bill's

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progress through parliament into doubt. In a moment we will be

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hearing from one of those opponents but first, here's a flavour of the

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debate yesterday. Mr Speaker, we have listened carefully to the

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debate so far. LAUGHTER. Confident that we will get a significant

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majority with a second reading, but for Lords reform to progress it

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needs those who support reform to vote for reform and to vote for

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that reform to make progress through this House. It is clear

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that the opposition are not prepared to do that, so we will

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not... ALLOW Lord SPEAKING. It is clear that the opposition are not

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prepared to do that so we will not move the programme to motion

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tonight. Can I commend the government for the wisdom of its

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decision? But can I put it to my right honourable friend that

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whatever moral authority this bill had, it has now lost. The decision

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to withdraw the programme motion is a victory for parliament. While we

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support the second reading of the bill, we could not support the

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government's attempts to curtail the motion and we welcome the fact

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they have withdrawn the motion today. Can I make it clear that it

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is the very substantial opposition from within the Conservative Party

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that is responsible for the withdrawal of this motion and not

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the Labour Party, and that should be perfectly clear. Shouldn't we

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just go home? He knows it is all over, they know it is all over, we

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have more important things to be debating. Let's call the whole

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shooting match off! The honourable gentleman can go home. LAUGHTER.

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But the government plans to proceed with his legislative programme.

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Order! Order! The ayes to the right, 462. The noes to the left, 124.

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That was yesterday's debate. Joining me now from the central

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lobby of parliament is one of those Conservative rebels, Eleanor Laing.

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Welcome to the programme. You must be pretty happy that the government

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pulled the programme motion. I am pleased that democracy has spoken.

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Those who want the bill say they want to expand democracy and that

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is what has happened. The House of Commons has exerted its democratic

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muscle against the government, that is what they say they want, the

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government held to account, and that is what happened yesterday.

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The government did the right thing in pausing the bills so further

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negotiations can take place. there bill effectively dead or

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suspended? I don't imagine it is dead but I am sure the minister

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would enlighten us on that but it ought to be substantially amended

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and now we have time for that. Those of us who are voting A

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against the bill and planned to vote against the programme motion

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simply wanted to have the full debate on this matter in a joint

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committee report, and the House of Commons has not even debated the

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Joint Committee report. In the eight months that the joint

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committee looked at these measures, we realised there was far more to

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this issue than eight tinkering with the House of Lords. It is

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fundamental parliamentary reform and it deserves to be properly

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looked at. Number 10 have said it is still possible to get the first

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elected Peers imposition by the next election. It might be. The

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government had a majority in the House of Lords so it might be butts

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it should not be so until it has been properly considered.

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Liberal Democrats say you have not kept your side of the bargain. A

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deal is a deal. The coalition is a compromise, of course it is. It is

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not be deal. Fundamental constitutional parliamentary reform

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is not a bargaining chip for short- term political advantage. It should

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not be used as such. That is an abuse of parliament. The coalition

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agreement does not give Conservative MPs the right to vote

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against a key piece of legislation. Every member of parliament has the

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right to vote with their conscience on any matter. Thank you.

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Still no sign of Tessa Jowell. I hope she realises now just how bad

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the traffic is given to be during the Olympics. Clearly she has not

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been allocated one of those lanes... Those of you not in London do not

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realise that this city now has lanes that those in Moscow had for

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the Politburo where only certain cars are allowed to travel. We are

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joined in the studio by the Liberal Democrat MP Don Foster. I see in

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the corner of the studio, the Dane has arrived! You might as well come

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in, it is only television. Come and protect me because we are having

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the Olympics knocked! I will not come to you first and since you

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can't answer back I will say, now you know how bad the traffic will

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be in the Olympics. That is cheap! Cheap but true! As the Prime

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Minister said, we will take the summer and we will talk to

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colleagues to see if there is a way to get to a position where we have

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an agreed way forward. The bill got a very large majority at second

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reading, son there is a clear sense in the House of Commons over ruled

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that the principle of getting the first elections in 2015 is

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supported, so we need to see if there is a way forward. 91 of your

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colleagues voted against the principle. Probably even more would

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have voted against the timetable had it come up. What makes you

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think between now and September you can change the minds of so many

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Conservatives? That is why we will not rush ahead. What makes you

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think you can change their mind? All the rebels I have spoken to

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will not change their mind. The government blinked, they backed

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down, they have won. The House of Commons have set out support in

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principle of the bill. I will come back to Labour in a minute... I

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just want to say, it is a serious question and I don't understand

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what the answer will be, which is how will you change their mind?

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sat through days of debate, I met with colleagues myself so there are

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a number of issues that colleagues have got about the implications of

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the House of Lords reform. Some do not agree with the principle, some

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are comfortable but they did not like some issues around the

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electoral system... So you still think you can win a timetable

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motion in September? We will speak with colleagues and the plan is to

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then move forward in September with something we can get agreement on

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but we do not know the solution until we have had those

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conversations. We are all learning as we go along, if you fine you

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don't think you can change your colleagues' mindss, you would bring

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forward the timetable? You tend to look on the dockside of things, I

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am a natural optimist -- on the black side of things. You have to

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be! We will work with colleagues. That is the fourth time you will

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work with colleagues. Let me speak to Don Foster. And we will make

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progress. We will see. You can have me back in September. These stories,

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Andrew! Honestly! You deputy leader, Simon Hughes, said there will be

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consequences if the Tories do not stick to their side of the deal.

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is very simple. Two opposing political parties came together

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predominantly to solve the economic mess... A what will the

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consequences be? I hope we will continue to work together

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regardless of the outcome of this. The answer to your question is that

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a number of my colleagues will find it more difficult in the future if

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it is not delivered to support some of the more difficult decisions we

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have to make. Time will tell. In English, it means that if

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relationships are a bit more fractious, it makes it more

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difficult to do a deal. A but what will the consequences be? No idea.

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What I want to happen is what most people in the House of Commons

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wants to happen. We have a number of Conservative colleagues to agree

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with the principle of Lords reform, they don't like some of the detail,

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we can accommodate that. Colleagues in the Labour Party are a bit

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competes used as to whether they want more time -- a bit confused.

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463 MPs want this to happen and we will find a way of making this

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happen. You are filibustering! You know you are doing it! I can tell

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that you know! No! I want to bring tacit him. Either way, welcome.

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I apologise to your viewers. Congratulations on your Dane had.

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Though as you know, we don't do titles. -- Dame heard. You are

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willing laboured to will the end and not the means. You will

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therefore risk the end. First of all, the end is the problem between

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the coalition parties. That is the first point. We are absolutely

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clear that we support reform. There will obviously be discussions over

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the summer about the possibilities of making progress but so profound

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of the divisions in the Conservative Party... Mark is a

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decent man and an optimist, but how they are going to heal these rifts

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with their coalition partners is very hard to understand. The rift

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would not matter if you back the government on the issue of which

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you agree in principle. The let me answer that question. The risk of

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that is that this very important constitutional legislation is

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denied proper scrutiny. How much time do you want? It is not a

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matter of apportioning and number of days. It is if you ever want it

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to come out of the House of Commons. No, Mark. Just listen. The

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challenge is to make sure that every single bit of the bill is

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properly scrutinised in committee. I understand that. You cannot have

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another 100 days. Can you tell me any major constitutional reform

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that Labour has put through that did not have the timetable motion

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with it? We have always actually gone to a referendum on major

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constitutional change and that is one thing, one of the major

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sticking points. But my point is, Tessa Jowell, every major reform

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labour has proposed of the constitution, you have always

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timetable to the bill so why would you not agree to this one? Because

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we are concerned that proper scrutiny of the legislation will be

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made impossible by filibustering, just a second... No, no. We brought

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forward three sets, five sets of major constitutional change when we

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were in government. Reform to the House of Lords, getting rid of

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their hereditary Peers... The new timetable them all. This is

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That is a procedural detail on a failed... I am suitably admonished.

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The principle remains that just as there were a clauses on the

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boundaries built that what walked out and were not subject to proper

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scrutiny, we have to make sure this legislation... What do you say to

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that was back Tessa, please. Miller and says he wants this in

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the House of Lords to be debated. - - Ed Miliband. We have to agree a

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number of days, or we are prepared to have that discussion, but at no

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point to the Labour Party say how many days. It employs you never get

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to the end and you never make progress. Everyone who wants reform

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to happen needs to help... Go to parliament which means there will

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be no scrutiny... While the Lib Dems in such high dudgeon was Mac

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21 Lib Dems voted against tuition fees and another eight abstained.

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Now you're up up an arms because Conservatives of litigants house of

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Lords reform. I am not sure we are in high dudgeon. A little low

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dudgeon. It would have been great if the Conservatives had been able

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to deliver the vote on the timetable motion on that -- in the

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way we delivered on some difficult things. We have confidence that the

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prime minister will work with his colleagues. He all right. Yes or

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note. If you can't say yes or no, don't answer. Will we get Lords

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reform was much on confident we will get some reforms in the House

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of Lords. Some reform. As clear as mud. I think Don Foster goes...

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Musical chairs. You'll have to change chairs. Not until he has

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change chairs. Not until he has How we pay for our care when we get

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old is one of the most pressing issues in politics. Ministers will

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set out their plans later today for the future of social care in

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England. The plans have been beset by delays so will this document

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finally provide answers to the big questions? Jo.

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There are few who would disagree that social care in England is in

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that social care in England is in need of reform. But how you do that,

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and how you pay for it, has been a headache for both Conservative and

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Labour governments. The new White Paper suggests a "universal

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deferred payment" scheme. This would offer a state loan to

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pensioners moving into residential care so they do not have to sell

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their homes immediately. At the moment, anyone with assets of more

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than �23,250 has to pay for their own care. But the loan, with

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interest, would be reclaimed after their death. There are also

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proposals to cap the amount individuals will have to pay

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towards nursing home fees. It's a contentious issue and it's not yet

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clear what the level of the cap would be. Before the last election,

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there were cross-party talks which ultimately broke down acrimoniously.

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An independent review last year recommended that the cap should be

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set at �35,000. Ministers are not yet expected to make specific

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commitments. Here's what the Health Secretary Andrew Lansley had to say

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Secretary Andrew Lansley had to say this morning. They are worried

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about how we will be paid for. We have invested in social care, some

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don't billion pounds through this column and. But in addition, one

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will make clear that we are not only going to give people access to

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loans scheme that means they don't have to sell the home to pay for

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care, but in addition we support the principles which the deal not

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commission set up but would set a cap on care costs, but we need to

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establish, not least with the Spending Review as the basis for

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this, how that is to be paid for in the future. Andrew Lansley.

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We're joined now by the chief executive of the Alzheimer's

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Society, Jeremy Hughes. How confident are you that there is

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going to be some concrete agreement on how social care is funded quiz

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mag unfortunately I don't think we were there for that any promises

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about the funding. What the Goldman failed to do is make any commitment

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on the funding. We have waited to years, we have had the commission,

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on were read it will become but did not commission because the

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Government doesn't seem to be committed to putting forward the

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morning. Both parties or at all. There were cross-party talks that

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were meant have happened in February, but they don't seem to

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have happened. People are paying enormous costs for their own care,

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nothing has been promised about fixing it. It needs to be addressed

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urgently are not waiting for the Comprehensive Spending Review. The

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review can tell us how much money we've got, but we need a discussion

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on how what is spent. Shame on you box. People still don't know

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whether they will have to pay for their own care when they're old. Do

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you support the idea of a cap was much we've made it clear we support

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the principle, but as soon as you get them to dealing with the

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details, it is up paying for it what the Secretary of State has set

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out his it will be dealt with through the Spending Review. We've

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renounced some fondant in terms of more money from the health budget

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to help with funding social care. We have announced the universal

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deferred schemes that everybody will know they don't have to sell

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their house within the lifetime and we have set up some positive...

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That stops right to wake us might from 2015. -- that starts at Reuter

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Y equals Mac from 2015. Their relatives will have to sell it.

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have a bizarre situation that the manger is a disease like cancer.

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you have cancer at me what we did on the NHS or if you have dementia,

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you don't have any support and you have to pay for rich deferred

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payments is an improvement, but people are still paying enormous

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costs. Tessa Jowell, Labour was in power for a long perk -- on and did

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nothing at this in a broad sense. Support the idea of a cap at

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�35,000 was marked we support the principles, but think action has to

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be taken up. 1.4 million -- 1.4 billion has been returned from the

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Department of Health to the Treasury. Why can't 700 million

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offer be directed to local authorities to provide care for

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frail elderly people in their own homes quotes Max I will come on to

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Does Labour support back �35,000 cap was Mark -- choir's Mac were

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reduced support the principle of a cap. But the second thing is we've

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got to agree proposals that a sustainable in the long term.

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talks have been taking place. cross-border talks have broken down.

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Rhino that Andy Burnham, Liz Kendall, are ready to resume those

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cross-party talks at any Tonge. Most people watching at home will

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feel it is ridiculous that we have spent 20 minutes talking to her

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house will perform while at Houghton, as we do it, the Iraq

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Work we work that ends in his What would you like to see?

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Presumably you would like to see something that clears up the issue

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of what people have to do in terms of planning. The other issue is

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about the health budget and the local authority budget and do you

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think there should be a single budget that crosses those two, so

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when an old person read something in their home, the authority

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doesn't say, that is not us it is another authority. We are expecting

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the white paper to say there will be more personal care budgets

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provided to individuals. You can't have the same person managing two

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budgets without proper support. We meet one system that supports

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people in a joined-up way. -- we meet. The proposals we are

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expecting this afternoon will not make any big difference, they are

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talking another couple of hundred million pounds. All of the money

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used so far has just reduced some of the cuts, it has not led to any

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improvements. Colleagues had an extremely busy

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week on the Daily Politics. You can see Roger Federer with his hands on

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the prize there. No wonder Andy Murray was so upset. Also providing

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comfort to Bob Diamond. All that it must be a boost to him now he is

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not getting a multi-million pound pay-off. And speaking of France,

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David Cameron you only one act of diplomacy could restore Anglo-

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They do like their coffee in big mugs. It has been a busy week for

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my little ceramic friend, but it's not over. One of you lucky people

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can win this well-travelled consumption device. We will remind

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you of how to enter in a minute, but let's see if you can remember

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:26:50.:26:52.

This will be the first time that British voters will have been to

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the polls on their way to school. shall certainly be voting

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Conservative. Every outbreak of There are men walking the streets

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today with eggs in their pocket on the off-chance they will bump into

:27:46.:27:56.
:27:56.:28:23.

# Just like me, they long to be The day to be me the chance of

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winning, and a rendition of Karen winning, and a rendition of Karen

:28:27.:28:34.

Carpenter by Andrew Neil, send your answers into us. You can see the

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full terms of conditions on the website. The music he enjoyed when

:28:42.:28:48.

he became middle-aged! You are very brave! I can hear the voice of Nick

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Robinson. I thought it was going to be James Landale, but life is full

:28:53.:29:00.

of disappointments. Coming up to midday. Let's take a look at Big

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Ben before we look at cygnet. Prime Minister's Questions is on its way.

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The final PMQs before the summer recess. A few things to talk about.

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I think what will be intriguing is whether Ed Miliband wants to talk

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about the House of Lords or not. He might calculate it is not the

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biggest topic at the water cooler today, and maybe talk about social

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care. Or will he be tempted, as it is the last one, to use it as a

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theme for the Government being in a mess, for the coalition falling

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apart? May be tempted to do that rather than talk about House of

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Lords head on. You can be accused of writing the weekend report.

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Those big summaries on a Sunday. What Ed Miliband wants is a phrase

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like on the shambles for the Budget. A phrase or a thought. He has to go

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wider. And also stick with the Government through the summer.

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is true that the coalition heads into the summer he in pretty bad

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shape. It is in chaos over House of Lords reform. The economy has

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barely grown since 2009. All the time you have been in power it has

:30:15.:30:19.

hardly grown. When you speak to Treasury officials of the record,

:30:19.:30:24.

they now say, we don't expect much growth before 2015. It is pretty

:30:24.:30:30.

grim. Per the economic difficulties, we all know what they are like.

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That remains the Government's central proposition. It is part of

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the reason we don't want to spend every day talking about a house of

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Lords reform. I don't agree about the state of the coalition. But

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relationships are very good. Of course there are tensions, there

:30:49.:30:53.

are bound to be when you have two parties working together, but the

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last government, with only one party, there were a lot of

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attention saying that government, or worse than anything we have as

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two parties working together to sort out these interests -- issues

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in the notional interest. Who said it closed list system for electing

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the House of Lords would be entirely undesirable? It would

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entrench the powers of the party's? I did and we are not recommending

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The police said we would not have a closed list. Let's see what is

:31:24.:31:34.
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I am sure the whole House would wish to join me in paying tribute

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to PC Ian Dibell who was shot and killed in Clacton-on-Sea on Monday.

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Even though he was off duty at the time, he acted selflessly when he

:31:47.:31:51.

saw members of the public at risk. This is typical of the behaviour of

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our brave police force. His death is a reminder of the great debt we

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owe it everybody in the police force and we send our deep

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sympathies to his family, friends and colleagues. In addition to

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duties in this House I shall have further meetings later today.

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am repeat the remarks that the Prime Minister made to the House

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about the brave police officer who lost his life. Can the Prime

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Minister explained why he is making it easier for corporate law to be

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amended... So rich, copyright law to be amended by secondary

:32:33.:32:37.

legislation? Does this have anything to do with the 23 meetings

:32:37.:32:42.

that he and his ministers have had with Google? We are following the

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recommendations of the Hargreaves Report recommissioned. It is

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important that we update copyright law in this country and that is

:32:50.:33:00.
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what we propose to do. A report into the York Hill child heart unit

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in Glasgow says that the provision of paediatric intensive care may be

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unsafe if critical issues are not addressed. It is now suggesting

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that Leeds should be closed while Glasgow is not affected. It is

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absurd and this review must be thrown out. He quite rightly speaks

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up for his local hospital, an excellent hospital. My local

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hospital has also not been selected under the safe and sustainable

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review. I would say as prime minister and as a parent but we

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have to recognise the operations that are being carried out are

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incredibly complex and in the end, this review was led by clinicians

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and it is about trying to save lives to make sure that we

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specialise the most difficult work in a number of hospitals around the

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country. I am sure that what really matters is that more parents don't

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suffer the agony of losing their children because we do not have the

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highest standards of care in the hospitals that are chosen. Can I

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join the Prime Minister in paying tribute to PC Ian Dibell. He

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demonstrated extraordinary bravery well-being of duty. His selfless

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act and his tragic death remind us what the police do for us right up

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and down this country and I am sure there are condolences of the House

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go to his family and friends. At this last Question Time before

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the recess, can I remind the Prime Minister what he said before the

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election when asked why he wanted to be Prime Minister. With

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characteristic humility, he said: Because I think I'd be good at it.

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LAUGHTER. Mr Speaker, where did it all go wrong? It is this government

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that has kept benefits, that has capped immigration, that has taken

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two million out of tax, that has cut taxes for 25 million people,

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Cup the fuel duty, increased NHS spending and cut the deficit by

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25%! I cannot read out the list of all the things he got wrong, we

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haven't got time! They are obviously well with today, it is a

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shame it didn't happen last night! Last night, he lost control of his

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party and not for the first time, he lost his temper as well. Because

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we understand it was fisticuffs in the lobby with the member for

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Hereford and south Hertfordshire. I notice that the posh boys have

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ordered him off the estate today! Who does the Prime Minister blame

:36:07.:36:12.

most for the disarray in his government? The Liberal Democrats

:36:12.:36:18.

or his own backbenchers? Is the best he can do today is a bunch of

:36:18.:36:23.

tittle-tattle Andrew Marr... How utterly pathetic! -- tittle-tattle

:36:23.:36:28.

and rumours. On the day we are introducing social reform that will

:36:28.:36:34.

help people up and down the country, we get half-baked gossip. If we

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want to see House of Lords reform, all of those who support House of

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Lords reform need to not only vote for House of Lords reform but

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support to the means to bring that reform about. He came to the House

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of Commons yesterday determined to vote yes and then vote no. How

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utterly pathetic! It is the same old story with the Prime Minister.

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He blames everybody other than himself. The government is a

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shambles and he blames the leader of the opposition. That is what it

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has come to. But Mr Speaker, his problems to the start last night.

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They started months ago with the part-time Chancellor's budget.

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Because they make the wrongs choices and they stand up for the

:37:25.:37:30.

wrong people. So can he remind us after all of the U-turns when he

:37:30.:37:35.

still thinks it is right to give a banker earning a million pounds a

:37:35.:37:40.

�40,000 income tax cuts next April? It was the Chancellor's budget that

:37:40.:37:46.

cut taxes for 25 million working people! That it two million people

:37:46.:37:53.

out of tax! -- that took it! And has left us with a top rate of tax

:37:53.:37:57.

that was higher than any of the times he and his neighbour were in

:37:57.:38:03.

the Treasury, literally it wrecking the British economy. No answer on

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his millionaire's tax cuts and we will keep asking the question! If

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he is raising taxes on ordinary families and pensioners and he is

:38:14.:38:20.

cutting tax on millionaires...! They say they are not raising taxes.

:38:20.:38:26.

Can he therefore explain what has not been explained... He says I am

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weak. What can be weaker than having 91 people vote against you

:38:30.:38:37.

in the House of Commons!? Can he explain what has not been explained

:38:37.:38:42.

since the Budget. Why it is it fair when you are cutting taxes for

:38:42.:38:46.

millionaires to ask pensioners to pay more?

:38:46.:38:51.

We increased pensioner's weekly income by �5.30, the biggest

:38:51.:38:56.

increase in the pension in the history of the pension! What the

:38:56.:39:00.

Budget did his cut taxes for every working person in the country, take

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two million people out of tax, the top rate of tax change was paid

:39:05.:39:10.

more than four times over by the richest people, and that compares

:39:10.:39:14.

with what we were left by the party opposite! The most indebted

:39:14.:39:18.

households, the biggest budget deficit in Europe and never wants

:39:18.:39:24.

an apology for the mess they left this country him! No answer on the

:39:24.:39:28.

disarray in his government, no answer on the tax cuts for

:39:28.:39:33.

millionaires, no answer on a tax rise for pensioners. Perhaps he has

:39:33.:39:37.

an odd sock on the biggest issue. He said in the new year, we have

:39:37.:39:42.

got to do more to bring the economy back to health. What has he

:39:42.:39:47.

delivered since then? A double-dip recession made in Downing Street.

:39:47.:39:50.

Isn't the reality of the biggest failure facing the government is

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not the programme motion on Lords reform, it is their whole economic

:39:54.:40:00.

plan? It is under this government we got 800,000 more private sector

:40:00.:40:05.

jobs, inflation is down, unemployment is down, interest

:40:05.:40:10.

rates are at a record low, we are now a net exporter of cars for the

:40:10.:40:15.

first time since 1976, we completed the biggest construction project in

:40:15.:40:19.

Europe, which is the Olympics, we have started the next biggest

:40:19.:40:24.

project, which is CrossRail, this government set up the enterprise

:40:24.:40:28.

zones, has backed apprenticeships, has seen business rebalance in this

:40:28.:40:33.

country and we will never forget what we were left by the party

:40:33.:40:37.

opposite! They were bailing out eurozone countries with taxpayers'

:40:37.:40:42.

money, they were paying �100,000 for just one family's housing

:40:42.:40:50.

benefit, they had gun-control well- fed, uncontrolled immigration, --

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UN controlled welfare. Never has so much been borrowed, never has so

:40:54.:40:59.

much been wasted, never have so many people been let down and this

:40:59.:41:09.
:41:09.:41:09.

country will never forgive them for what they did! SHOUTING. The more

:41:09.:41:19.
:41:19.:41:24.

red he gets, the less he convinces people! Order! Order! Order!

:41:24.:41:30.

Members on both sides of the House now need to calm down. That is all

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there is to it. Ed Miliband. It is the same lecture we have had on the

:41:36.:41:39.

economy for the last two years and things are getting worse, not

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better, and every time he gets up with that list of statistics you

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just shows how out of touch he is. Tax cuts for millionaires, double-

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dip recession, you terms of doing U-turns, isn't the truth is that he

:41:54.:41:59.

did not just lose the confidence of his party last night, he is losing

:41:59.:42:09.

the confidence of the country? -- U-turns of do you. There is only

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one person going red, and that is read Ed Miliband! Who backed Red

:42:15.:42:24.

Ken Livingstone? Red Len McCluskey? He proposed �30 billion of more

:42:24.:42:30.

spending? Who has given up... Apologies, order. The Prime

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Minister's answers must, and however long it takes, they will be

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heard. Let's take what he has done in the last year. He opposed a

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welfare cap, and immigration cap, a housing benefit cap, he opposed

:42:45.:42:53.

every thing of the government proposed. We know what he is

:42:53.:42:58.

against but when will we find out what he is for? This government has

:42:58.:43:08.
:43:08.:43:10.

a great record on educational reform! The huge success of the

:43:10.:43:13.

University Technical College initiative! Will the Prime Minister

:43:13.:43:19.

please confirm he will support a further round of abdication as this

:43:19.:43:23.

autumn and that funding is available so that businesses,

:43:23.:43:33.
:43:33.:43:38.

universities... INAUDIBLE. SHOUTING. Very good to see the honourable

:43:38.:43:44.

lady on such feisty form. She's absolutely right to speak up for

:43:44.:43:47.

university technical colleges. These are a great addition to the

:43:47.:43:52.

schools we have our country. They really are a really high profile

:43:52.:43:55.

way to have proper vocational education so we can give young

:43:55.:44:04.

people the skills they need to have a great career in the future.

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Monday June 25th, the Health Secretary announced a possibly

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administration of the NHS Trust that covers Bexley, Bromley and

:44:11.:44:14.

Greenwich and that night he met with the members for Bexley and

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Bromley. Despite the Greenwich members asking for such a meeting,

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at this moment in time there's no date in the diary and no date

:44:22.:44:27.

forthcoming. How can the Prime Minister explain to me why the

:44:27.:44:29.

residents of Greenwich are not given the same respect by his

:44:29.:44:34.

minister as the residents of Bexley and Bromley? I think the honourable

:44:34.:44:38.

lady raises the important point. It's a difficult situation that has

:44:38.:44:43.

taken place at his NHS Trust. It is quite right that the Health

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Secretary is using the powers that were put in place by the last

:44:46.:44:50.

government to deal with these issues. It is partly because of the

:44:50.:44:54.

PFI contracts that are unsustainable. I will take

:44:54.:44:58.

seriously what she says it and see if I can arrange a meeting between

:44:58.:45:02.

her and one of the health ministers to discuss this issue. In my

:45:02.:45:04.

constituency of North West Leicestershire keep the average

:45:04.:45:10.

pre-tax income is just under �25,000 a year. Does my right

:45:10.:45:13.

honourable friend a sense -- share my sense of incredulity that the

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party opposite still want the benefits cap of �26,000 a year

:45:18.:45:22.

after tax? Doesn't is demonstrate he was really on the side of hard-

:45:22.:45:25.

working families? I think my honourable friend makes an

:45:25.:45:28.

important point. They came to the House of Commons and said they

:45:28.:45:33.

would back a welfare cap, but they opposed a well-fed cat. He is right.

:45:33.:45:42.

It shows he was on the side -- it shows who is on the side of those

:45:42.:45:46.

who want to work hard. We backed the workers, they backed the

:45:46.:45:56.

shirkers. The 2nd Battalion, the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers is to

:45:56.:46:01.

be disbanded. This means 600 soldiers are facing redundancy.

:46:01.:46:05.

This is a battalion and a regiment with a proud history of service to

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this country. Will the prime minister not reconsider the cuts to

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this Battalion? What I would say to the honourable gentleman, we looked

:46:15.:46:19.

at this issue very carefully and took our time, which many times we

:46:19.:46:23.

are criticised for, to make sure we got this right. I do think the

:46:23.:46:28.

decision to have a smaller regular army of 80,000, but a much larger

:46:28.:46:34.

reserve force, at over 30,000, is the right balance. The Government

:46:34.:46:36.

is putting �1.5 billion into building up those reserves and I

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hope members across the House will help with the process of

:46:40.:46:44.

encouraging employers to allow territorial army reservists to

:46:44.:46:48.

serve their country. We've made sure no existing regimental names

:46:48.:46:53.

or cap badges will be lost so it is the right package for the future.

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On Sunday, independent observers hailed the first free elections in

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Libya for 47 years as broadly free and transparent and offering real

:47:02.:47:07.

hope for the future. Does my right Friend agree -- right honourable

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friend agree with me that we should congratulate the Libyan people on

:47:11.:47:16.

the progress they have made since the struggle to overthrow with the

:47:16.:47:20.

brutal to state to ship, and the message this sends other, including

:47:20.:47:24.

Aung San Suu Kyi, who yearn for democracy in their own country.

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sure my honourable friend speaks for the whole house and the country

:47:28.:47:32.

in sending congratulations to the Libyan people for what looked like

:47:32.:47:36.

successful elections. It was a year ago that things did not look as if

:47:36.:47:39.

everything would turn out well in Libya. I'm proud of the fact that

:47:40.:47:43.

the NATO alliance and this country stay true to the course and helped

:47:43.:47:48.

to secure the right outcome in Libya and those people now have the

:47:48.:47:51.

chance of successful democracy and prosperity that is denied to too

:47:51.:47:57.

many in this world. He hit the North West London NHS is currently

:47:57.:48:02.

consulting on the closure of four out of nine accident and emergency

:48:02.:48:04.

units. The medical director has said north-west London would

:48:04.:48:09.

literally run out of money if these closures don't go ahead. What kind

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of consultation is it that poses a choice between the closure of half

:48:15.:48:18.

of the accident and emergency unit in north-west London and a

:48:18.:48:24.

potential bankrupting of the local NHS? On the issue of money, we have

:48:24.:48:28.

put �12.5 billion extra into the NHS. That is a decision that her

:48:28.:48:32.

party opposes answer is that extra spending for the NHS is

:48:32.:48:36.

irresponsible. We will make sure that all consultations are probably

:48:36.:48:42.

carried out. A patch properly carried out. And we want to make

:48:42.:48:51.

sure we have Kafka access to and Pay has my right honourable

:48:51.:48:56.

friend's attention been drawn to be a's adverse assessment that the

:48:56.:49:01.

regular train service to Stansted Airport takes 47 minutes, which is

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not universally correct across the timetable and in any case is too

:49:04.:49:09.

long. Will he commit to a major upgrade it -- upgrade of the West

:49:09.:49:14.

Anglia line so airport passengers can get a truly fast service that

:49:14.:49:20.

my constituents deserve? understand why the my honourable

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friend wants to speak up for people in his constituency who want her to

:49:24.:49:30.

train service. As part of the new rail franchise in East Anglia, he

:49:30.:49:34.

will be asking bidders to propose affordable Investment aimed at

:49:34.:49:37.

improving services and I'm sure they will listen carefully to what

:49:37.:49:43.

he said today. He had the Government rightly donates to

:49:44.:49:47.

billions in overseas aid to developing countries, including

:49:47.:49:51.

India, to eradicate poverty and disease. Despite this, the Canadian

:49:51.:49:58.

government, including the Government of Quebec, are to invest

:49:58.:50:01.

$58 million in asbestos producing mines, not for use in Canada, of

:50:01.:50:05.

course, but to export to developing countries, including India, which

:50:06.:50:11.

will put thousands of poor people at risk from the deadly asbestosis.

:50:11.:50:18.

Will the Prime Minister and the International Development Secretary

:50:18.:50:21.

per encourage international communities, including the World

:50:21.:50:25.

Health Organisation, to oppose this outrageous decision? I will be

:50:25.:50:28.

seeing their head of the World Health Organisation later today so

:50:29.:50:34.

I can raise this issue with him. Asbestos is banned in the UK, the

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EU and other countries. We are opposed to its use anywhere and

:50:38.:50:42.

would deplore its supply to developing countries. If it does

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not supply funds and... We are not aware that Dafydd funds have been

:50:49.:50:53.

used in that way at all. I would take urgent action if that were the

:50:53.:51:02.

case. On September fourth, the European Court of Human Rights is

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hearing the case of the lady who lost her job at British Airways for

:51:08.:51:12.

wearing a crucifix as a mark of her Christianity. The behaviour of

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British Airways was a disgraceful piece of political correctness. He

:51:17.:51:22.

I was surprised to receive the Government is resisting her appeal.

:51:22.:51:27.

I can't believe that the Government is supporting this suppression of

:51:27.:51:30.

religious freedom in the workplace so what are we going to do about

:51:30.:51:36.

this sad case? For once I can say I wholeheartedly agree with my right

:51:36.:51:39.

honourable friend. I fully support the right of people to wear

:51:39.:51:43.

religious symbols at work. It is absolutely a vital religious

:51:43.:51:47.

freedom. What we will do is if it turns out that the law has the

:51:47.:51:51.

intention, as has come out in this case, we will change the law and

:51:51.:51:58.

make clear that people can wear religious emblems at work. He does

:51:58.:52:01.

the Prime Minister accept the findings of the Independent Action

:52:01.:52:06.

for children report which shows that by 2015, the most vulnerable

:52:06.:52:10.

families with children in this country, including those in

:52:10.:52:14.

employment, will lose up to �3,000 a year because of this Government's

:52:14.:52:18.

policies? At a time when millionaires are getting tax cut of

:52:18.:52:22.

over 40,000 at the year, can he say we really are all in this together?

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High I know the report he quotes doesn't actually include some of

:52:25.:52:30.

the steps we have taken, like providing more nursery a education

:52:30.:52:34.

for disadvantaged to Urals. If he looks at Universal Credit and the

:52:35.:52:38.

design of Europe reversal credit, we will be helping parents with the

:52:38.:52:43.

most disabled children to make sure they get the help they need. Will

:52:43.:52:46.

the Prime Minister comment on the worrying stand-off between the

:52:46.:52:50.

Egyptian military, who are clearly trying to cling on to power in

:52:50.:52:55.

defiance of the Arab Spring, and as the Mohamed Morsi, who may not be a

:52:55.:52:59.

liberal Catholic report -- liberal or conservative, but his Democratic

:52:59.:53:03.

League elected? I've been very struck by what the president-elect

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has said about how he wants to govern on behalf of everyone

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Chinook Egypt, how he wants to respect religious and other

:53:10.:53:14.

freedoms and I hope he the current tension can be resolved. But people

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have to respect the Derek -- democratic will of the Egyptian

:53:18.:53:24.

people as they expressed it. At the last election the Prime Minister

:53:24.:53:28.

promised the pensioner's bus passes were say. Will he reject calls from

:53:28.:53:33.

the Lib Dems and now from his close ally the honourable member for

:53:33.:53:37.

Grantham and Stamford and categorically rule out means

:53:37.:53:41.

testing of bus passes, including in his manifesto for the next general

:53:41.:53:45.

election? As the honourable lady will know, at the last election I

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made it clear promise about a bus passes, TV licences, winter fuel

:53:49.:53:57.

payments. We are keeping all of those promises. Paul as Melinda

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Gates has recently said, women in developing countries want to raise

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healthy and educated children who can contribute to communities.

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Would my right honourable friend agree that one of the ways we can

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support this is to help those who wish to plan their family to do so?

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I think the honourable lady is absolutely right. Later today I

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will be speaking at a seminar event with Melinda Gates and a whole

:54:20.:54:24.

range of leaders from across Africa and other parts of the developing

:54:24.:54:29.

world about exactly this issue. We should be doing more to allow

:54:29.:54:33.

mothers access to birth control so they can plan their family size.

:54:33.:54:37.

The evidence shows that as countries develop, family size does

:54:37.:54:40.

reduce and populations become more sustainable, but we should help

:54:40.:54:44.

people plan that process. It is not about telling people what to do, it

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is about allowing people the choice that in his country we take for

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granted. Members will know that St Patrick, a Roman Britain, respected

:54:53.:54:58.

by all traditions in Ireland, is a unifying figure. He established his

:54:58.:55:02.

mission in my constituency of South Down, where today many people of

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all faiths, drawing on his legacy, work unstintingly to build peace

:55:07.:55:12.

across the divide. Will the Prime Minister, when next in Northern

:55:12.:55:16.

Ireland, perhaps during the Olympics, come to San Patrick

:55:16.:55:21.

Stewart country, meet with these people and which this -- witness

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his unique heritage for himself and where he will not find any rebel

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Tories? I don't know whether the honourable lady can guarantee that!

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We do have an active branch in Northern Ireland and I'm sure... It

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is an intriguing and very kind invitation. I hope that the

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Olympics will bring the whole of a United Kingdom together. The torch

:55:45.:55:49.

relay has already helped to achieve that and I was very privileged to

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see it in my own constituency. She makes an intriguing invitation and

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if I can take it up, I will. One of the success stories of this

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government is in its commitment to rural community and farming. Today

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nearly 2000 dairy farmers are meeting in Westminster to fight

:56:08.:56:14.

drastic reductions of milk prices. Will the Prime Minister join them

:56:14.:56:17.

in their fight to get a fair deal for their product? I think my

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honourable friend is absolutely right to speak up for British

:56:21.:56:25.

farmers. He does an extremely good job in doing that. This government

:56:25.:56:30.

is investing in our countryside, not least we the rural broadband

:56:30.:56:34.

programme, but we want to see a fairer deal between farmers and

:56:34.:56:37.

supermarkets so we will be legislating. I can also tell him

:56:37.:56:41.

that today we are announcing �5 million extra in additional funds

:56:41.:56:44.

under the rural economy grant scheme and that can help to make

:56:44.:56:53.

our dairy industry more competitive. What will the prime minister say to

:56:53.:56:58.

the 150,000 adults that the Government itself estimates will be

:56:59.:57:02.

denied a second chance for education as a result of their

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plans to charge full-cost fees to over 24 year-olds studying A-level

:57:07.:57:11.

and equivalent programmes and access courses? There will be a

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full statement about this issue this week. It is important fact we

:57:18.:57:21.

expand per further education opportunities. If we are going to

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expand those, we need to adapt fast be clear about how to pay for them.

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That is what we repeatedly get about Bath from the party opposite.

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Absolutely no idea how they would pay for any of their policies.

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government has achieved a great deal and the last two years. --

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deer last two years. Didn't that new issues are emerging, doesn't

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the Prime Minister agree with me that now would be a good time for

:57:53.:57:58.

the political parties to review the coalition agreement for the future?

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He I absolutely agree that in a coalition, you need to keep working

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out the next set of things you want to achieve. This coalition has

:58:10.:58:14.

achieved cuts to corporation tax, taking people out of income tax, a

:58:14.:58:18.

massive expansion in terms of trust schools, a huge contribution to the

:58:18.:58:21.

health service that is now performing better than at any time

:58:21.:58:24.

and the last decade, and I'm committed to making sure we now

:58:24.:58:28.

look at the next steps we want to take to make our country a better

:58:28.:58:38.
:58:38.:58:41.

A grandfather from Gwent far has a grandson returning from Afghanistan.

:58:41.:58:46.

20,000 soldiers face losing their jobs. Labour has persuaded big

:58:46.:58:50.

firms like John Lewis to guarantee a job veteran -- veterans a job

:58:50.:58:54.

interview. Will the prime minister get the private sector to do the

:58:54.:58:57.

same? I welcome what the honourable gentleman says. We should do

:58:57.:59:00.

everything we can to work with employers, either in the public or

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private sector, to help find her ex-service personnel jobs. They are

:59:04.:59:08.

people who have been trained brilliantly and contributed

:59:08.:59:12.

incredibly to our country and I'm sure we can do more to help them.

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For instance, in the public sector, the education secretary has a

:59:16.:59:20.

programme of troops to teach us to cry to get people who have served

:59:20.:59:27.

our country to inspire further generations. On the prime ministers

:59:27.:59:33.

watch, the army will be reduced to its smallest size since 1750 and

:59:34.:59:38.

half the size it was at the time of the Falklands war. Does he accept

:59:38.:59:42.

that history is not kind to prime ministers who are perceived to have

:59:42.:59:52.
:59:52.:59:52.

left our country without a strong defence capability? By no per he

:59:52.:59:59.

speaks with great power about military issues. And if you look at

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the overall balance of what we are doing, 80,000 regular soldiers,

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30,000 TA, fully funded, will mean the army is a similar size after

:00:08.:00:14.

these reforms to what it was before. Much the most important thing is we

:00:14.:00:19.

inherited a �38 billion deficit in our defence budget. We have closed

:00:19.:00:23.

or deficit, it is now fully funded. We have some huge investments going

:00:23.:00:27.

ahead for the army, the Navy and the air force and this country

:00:27.:00:32.

under this coalition government will always be well-defended.

:00:32.:00:36.

the Prime Minister assist the House and tell us when the Chancellor of

:00:36.:00:41.

the Exchequer is going to take the advice of the member for South

:00:41.:00:45.

Northamptonshire, admit he made false allegations last week and

:00:45.:00:50.

finally apologise? If we look at what might right honourable friend

:00:51.:00:54.

the Chancellor said, he said that the Shadow Chancellor had some

:00:54.:01:02.

questions to answer. I'm not sure there's anyone in this House who

:01:02.:01:07.

doesn't think the Shadow Chancellor has some questions to answer.

:01:07.:01:11.

Perhaps before we break for the summer, we should remember one or

:01:11.:01:17.

two of those questions. Ruud is on the regulatory system that failed?

:01:17.:01:21.

Who go or city minister when Northern Rock was selling 110%

:01:21.:01:24.

mortgages? Who advised the Chancellor and the prime minister

:01:24.:01:29.

that there was no more boom and bust? Who helped create the biggest

:01:29.:01:32.

boom and biggest bust and he has never apologised for the dreadful

:01:32.:01:42.
:01:42.:01:42.

record he had in Office? Shrewsbury remains the only county town in

:01:42.:01:47.

England without a direct rail service to our capital city. When

:01:47.:01:51.

the new rail franchises are apportioned in August, will the

:01:51.:01:55.

Prime isn't just or use his good office to ensure that government

:01:55.:01:59.

does everything possible to ensure Shrewsbury is connected to London?

:01:59.:02:04.

My honourable friend always speaks up for Shrewsbury. He's right that

:02:04.:02:09.

when these franchises are looked at, there are opportunities to make the

:02:09.:02:12.

case for more investment and for more services and I'm sure the rail

:02:12.:02:18.

operators and others will listen very closely to what he said today.

:02:18.:02:23.

Per my constituent is recovering from cancer. But she has had her

:02:23.:02:29.

ESA's stopped after 365 days. The Government's consultation on

:02:29.:02:35.

changing this rule ended in March. When are we going to see justice

:02:35.:02:39.

for the 7,000 cancer patients in this situation? I have looked

:02:39.:02:43.

carefully at this case and I know she has now had a response from the

:02:43.:02:48.

minister about this issue. There are two types of ESA. 1 Where

:02:49.:02:52.

there's opponents' support and it is not means tested, and another

:02:52.:02:56.

where there's means testing after a year. We are making sure that more

:02:56.:02:59.

people with cancer are getting more help and more treatment and I think

:02:59.:03:03.

that is very important. It is absolutely right there are two

:03:03.:03:08.

forms of allowance for those people who can't work, who did genuinely

:03:08.:03:18.
:03:18.:03:22.

can't work or prepare for work, get Prime Minister's Questions comes to

:03:22.:03:32.
:03:32.:03:34.

amend. There will not be another one until the fifth September. The

:03:34.:03:38.

party conference season begins at the end of September. As Nick

:03:38.:03:44.

Robinson said, the leader of the opposition used the coalition's

:03:44.:03:47.

problems over House of Lords reform to paint a wider picture of the

:03:47.:03:52.

general problems of the coalition, particularly of the economy and the

:03:52.:04:02.
:04:02.:04:05.

fact we are in a double-dip Mark in Dudley says, it strikes me

:04:05.:04:08.

that David Cameron is living in a political parallel universe because

:04:09.:04:15.

he is out-of-touch with reality. Stephen agreed, Ed Miliband clearly

:04:15.:04:20.

won the argument, me keep some rising the government's shambles.

:04:20.:04:24.

But Jaqueline says, if all Ed Miliband can come up with his

:04:24.:04:29.

tittle-tattle, the bottom of the barrel has been found. And David

:04:29.:04:35.

from Bury St Edmonds said, terrible stuff from Ed Miliband. Schoolboy

:04:35.:04:40.

stuff and attempts at pathetic point-scoring totally irrelevant.

:04:40.:04:45.

But quite a few people agreed with Marjorie: I feel depressed with all

:04:45.:04:51.

three parties. If this is democracy at work, it is not very effective.

:04:51.:04:58.

I feel a plague on all your houses. And if no party do is do the right

:04:58.:05:03.

thing on care for the elderly because of a backlash, I fear for

:05:03.:05:08.

the future of. There was a time when the coalition

:05:08.:05:13.

would go to a second round but my understanding is that they will not

:05:13.:05:17.

attempt a second coalition agreement to see them through,

:05:17.:05:23.

which suggests that if they can't get House of Lords reform through,

:05:23.:05:28.

what else can they give Nick Clegg? It is not obvious. One of the

:05:29.:05:33.

reasons I don't think they are in quite the panic they might have

:05:33.:05:37.

been is that it is not pushing him that much legislation. This

:05:37.:05:42.

government does not have a huge legislative agenda. The

:05:42.:05:44.

Conservatives have their mind on bringing back things they believe

:05:44.:05:49.

are popular for them before the election, another Welfare Bill and

:05:49.:05:55.

an education bill, but there is not that sort of legislation being

:05:56.:06:00.

driven through. So we are in this row about the nature of the

:06:00.:06:05.

coalition deal. Wasn't it interesting that a Tory backbencher

:06:05.:06:08.

wanted to embarrass the Prime Minister by asking whether it was

:06:08.:06:13.

time to renegotiate the coalition agreement? The Lib Dems say, there

:06:13.:06:17.

was a deal, we give you what you want and we get House of Lords

:06:17.:06:22.

reform. The Tories say, that is not the deal. We gave you a referendum

:06:22.:06:27.

on changing the voting system. We never promised to Lord's reform.

:06:27.:06:32.

You can see the tension about what to do next. Do you hear more voices

:06:32.:06:36.

saying that they think at some stage the coalition will goad its

:06:36.:06:44.

separate ways in 2014? Not that it would provoke an election, but that

:06:44.:06:47.

they will go their separate ways because both the Conservatives and

:06:47.:06:50.

the Lib Dems want to establish their own identities again and it

:06:50.:06:56.

will be a supply in confidence minority Conservative government.

:06:56.:07:03.

Yes, the question is when. Everybody has agreed there will

:07:03.:07:08.

come a point, and particularly when we know the date of an election.

:07:08.:07:15.

Never forget what a big issue that is. It is made it 2015. There will

:07:15.:07:20.

come at a point when the Lib Dems will say, we give the government if

:07:20.:07:25.

every support so it survives but we are now a certain our separate

:07:25.:07:31.

identity. Sorry to move away but one other thought about what the

:07:31.:07:35.

view was said. Never forget the contrast between where we are now

:07:35.:07:43.

on the eve of this holiday and the eve of the Christmas holiday. I

:07:43.:07:47.

would have said that at Christmas Ed Miliband had a pretty miserable

:07:47.:07:52.

PMQs before Christmas. The opinion polls were bad and the talk around

:07:52.:07:58.

the Labour Party will, what are we going to do? Oh my God. Look at the

:07:58.:08:03.

transformation. It is a total transformation. You know have a

:08:03.:08:07.

leader of the Labour party feeling absolutely confident in PMQs,

:08:07.:08:11.

commanding it in many ways, embarrassing his opponents. He has

:08:11.:08:16.

a significant lead in the polls. He is mocking the government. A

:08:16.:08:20.

coalition that is in trouble not just between themselves but between

:08:20.:08:24.

the Tory backbenchers and the Conservatives. It was almost

:08:24.:08:28.

inconceivable at Christmas that Ed Miliband would be able to have the

:08:28.:08:32.

thought of performance that he did today. He will go into the summer

:08:32.:08:36.

knowing that lots of the was do not much like this but on the other

:08:36.:08:41.

hand, it is the government that is in crisis and not him. If the

:08:41.:08:45.

economy is in for several years of more hard pounding, which everybody

:08:45.:08:50.

from the Chancellor and the Cabinet Secretary downwards suggests that

:08:50.:08:54.

we are, the original coalition plan that living standards would be

:08:54.:08:59.

rising, if that does not happen by 2015 and if you have a coalition

:08:59.:09:07.

increasingly fractious, she did a betting man put money on Labour

:09:07.:09:10.

being at least the largest party at the next election -- shouldn't

:09:10.:09:18.

abetting man? No. The economic situation is tough and we know that.

:09:18.:09:21.

But it is worth remembering that the private sector is doing what we

:09:21.:09:27.

said, it is not growing as fast as we hoped, largely because people

:09:27.:09:31.

are being very disciplined. Companies are being flexible.

:09:31.:09:36.

Unions in the private sector, we have seen that in the car industry,

:09:36.:09:43.

very sensible deals. It is difficult. Mick is right, there is

:09:43.:09:47.

not a massive legislative programme. That comes back to abate we were

:09:47.:09:52.

having yesterday. Government is not just about passing an enormous

:09:52.:09:57.

quantity of bills. It is about using the legislation we have used,

:09:57.:10:01.

delivering one all of those things, not passing more and more and more

:10:01.:10:06.

pills. I understand that but if you could not win an overall majority

:10:06.:10:10.

in the middle of the worst recession since the 1930s and up

:10:10.:10:14.

against the most unpopular prime minister since records began, what

:10:14.:10:19.

makes you think you have any chance of a majority in 2015 after five

:10:19.:10:26.

years of hard, economic times? had fewer than 200 seats. We gained

:10:26.:10:30.

the largest number of scenes that we have gained ever. But we had a

:10:30.:10:35.

massive mountain to climb. What would make cute game more after

:10:35.:10:40.

five years of almost no growth? -- what would make you get more?

:10:40.:10:46.

Because the voters will look at the context, like the eurozone, the

:10:46.:10:50.

difficult decisions we make to deal with the deficit, get finances

:10:50.:10:55.

under control, and they look at what could have been. They are

:10:55.:10:59.

looking at that now and Labour is between 10 and 15 points ahead in

:10:59.:11:04.

the polls. But that often happens in the mid-term. As we get closer

:11:04.:11:09.

to the election, people will ask themselves not just about us but

:11:09.:11:13.

about the alternative and I think they will say they want David

:11:13.:11:16.

Cameron to continue as Prime Minister and we will set out that

:11:16.:11:24.

case. I will ask is personally, not as a politician. -- I will ask this

:11:24.:11:29.

personally. If Labour did end up as the largest party, as the polls

:11:29.:11:36.

suggest, although the elections are a long way away, would it be your

:11:36.:11:42.

view that they should... If they went in with the Lib Dems they

:11:42.:11:46.

would have an overall majority. Do you think they should stay as a

:11:46.:11:51.

minority government, like Harold Wilson in 74, or do a deal with the

:11:51.:12:00.

Lib Dems? It depends on so many things, Andrew. Certainly I think

:12:00.:12:06.

that increasingly people feel that Ed Miliband and Labour is talking

:12:06.:12:10.

the language and talking about the things that matter to them. He

:12:10.:12:15.

seems to have the right priorities. If after the next election, and

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particularly if the boundary changes go through, we would expect

:12:21.:12:24.

my Meg Munn but seems to be down, of course if we were the largest

:12:24.:12:29.

party it would be crazy not to enter into discussions with other

:12:29.:12:37.

parties -- we would expect our numbers to beat down. But it would

:12:37.:12:44.

be on the basis to carry a legislative programme, not, as this

:12:44.:12:49.

government is, a discredited day-in day-out irrelevance which diverts

:12:49.:12:54.

from the things that really matters in this country. It is the end of

:12:54.:12:58.

term, speculating way ahead, but remember one of the big reasons

:12:58.:13:01.

Gordon Brown could not form a coalition with the Liberal

:13:01.:13:06.

Democrats is that there were used, not weeks and months and even days

:13:06.:13:11.

after the election, there we use of anger of the Liberal Democrats to

:13:11.:13:17.

Gordon Brown. -- there were years. The Lords reform for Labour is

:13:17.:13:21.

quite important. If the perception of the Liberal Democrats is that

:13:21.:13:26.

the Labour Party screwed up the Lord reform, do you think they will

:13:26.:13:31.

be saying, we must give Ed Miliband a parliamentary majority? It is a

:13:31.:13:35.

very interesting calculation in the mind of the Labour leader. On the

:13:35.:13:40.

one hand, any opposition would want to have government and the way to

:13:40.:13:45.

do that is to refuse to co-operate on Lords reform. On the other hand,

:13:45.:13:49.

if you are playing the medium term game, how can you persuade, not

:13:49.:13:53.

Nick Clegg because I don't think Ed Miliband would ever do a deal with

:13:53.:13:58.

Nick Clegg, more likely Vince Cable, how to convince him we are serious

:13:58.:14:03.

about corporate politics in the way the Labour Party are used to be if

:14:03.:14:09.

Labour are now seem to be playing games about Lords reform? My Labour

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sources tell me they believe that come the election, the Lib Dems

:14:12.:14:17.

will be so diminished in numbers and so toxic as a concept that they

:14:17.:14:22.

would rather form a minority government. Nick is right to say we

:14:22.:14:26.

are talking about circumstances in two-and-a-half years and we do not

:14:26.:14:31.

know. On the point about Lords Reform Bill, that presupposes that

:14:31.:14:36.

the Lords reform holds the degree of importance across the Liberal

:14:36.:14:40.

Democrats that it does on Nick Clegg. It is important not to

:14:40.:14:47.

underestimate -- underestimate the degree to which he is personally

:14:47.:14:53.

invested in this. We have to leave it there. Debut for being with us.

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See you in September. -- thank you for being with us. It might as well

:15:00.:15:06.

Rain Until September. It will! might have a nice September, that

:15:06.:15:15.

is what they always say. What to do with the youth of today? It's a

:15:15.:15:18.

perennial question, and with youth unemployment at just over a million,

:15:18.:15:21.

a big problem for the government. But what if young people aren't

:15:21.:15:24.

even up to the job and don't have the skills required for the

:15:24.:15:27.

workplace? Well, one business man thinks he has the answer. Here's

:15:27.:15:34.

Colin Smith, chairman of Poundland, To have worked in retell for most

:15:34.:15:39.

of my life. Businesses that have employed tens of thousands and we

:15:39.:15:43.

have sought to employ those who are motivated to work and to learn and

:15:44.:15:49.

who are enthusiastic, confident and with an aspiration to succeed.

:15:49.:15:53.

These are the ideal colleagues for any business, but finding them has

:15:53.:16:03.
:16:03.:16:07.

Recently, I read about a major supermarket recruiting staff for

:16:07.:16:13.

everyday activities like working on the tail for serving customers. The

:16:13.:16:17.

supermarket reported no problems in filling their positions, but three-

:16:17.:16:23.

quarters of those higher it had to be sent for remedial creed job

:16:23.:16:32.

training before they could start I've experienced similar problems.

:16:32.:16:38.

Over the years, I've become disappointed at the inability of

:16:38.:16:41.

young people to access job opportunities because of their lack

:16:41.:16:47.

of basic but crucial life skills. The ability to communicate with

:16:47.:16:52.

people other than their close friends. The capacity to work

:16:52.:16:55.

together and to co-operate with people they might not have met

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before. The willingness to listen to the opinions of others. And even

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the ability to turn up for work on Business leaders must play their

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part in preparing young people for work. They need to open their doors

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to young people, even if it is only for a few hours, to give them an

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insight into what work really is. They need to become involved in

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schemes in their communities, such as the challenge, to help generate

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the next generation of business leaders, to give young people a

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stake in society, and a feeling of self-worth and a chance to succeed

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in whatever they do. We are joined by Colin Smith. You

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mentioned the challenge, which is a charity you run. What does it do?

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It runs intensive programmes for young people, 15 and 16 year-olds.

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It helps them learn how to build relationships, to improve their

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understanding of other people from a wide variety of backgrounds, and

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also built the really important soft skills, teamwork, leadership,

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and building confidence. One of the things we dust -- discussed before

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is the number of Saturday jobs have diminished over the years for 16

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year-olds, the really young people. Milk rounds are not there any more.

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And paper rounds. Just the idea of getting up in the morning and going

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out to work, even if it is only a couple of days a week. That is a

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real issue. When I was a youngster, obviously a long time ago, I worked

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as a petrol pump attendant. That is why I am encouraging businesses

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across the country to really get involved in opening their doors at

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young people. Even if it is only for a few hours a week. Her what

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has at the response been from businesses? Are vague King to take

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people on in the way Woolworths used to? For I think they are, a

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young people have to work really hard at opening up those

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opportunities. They have to learn those skills to do with personal

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presentation, positive attitude, communication, teamwork. They need

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to be given the opportunity to learn those skills and learn the

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worth Beckett -- worth -- work ethic. Has it always been the case

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that young people don't have much in terms of communication skills?

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They are not very good with adults and it is just that they have not

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had the opportunities to practise rather than failures in education

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or parenting? I don't think we can look at any one issue like failure

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in education or parenting. This is an issue for everybody. I really do

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feel that we've all got to work together to create the opportunity

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to give them the level of experience they are going to need

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to go into the workplace. What do you think of the idea of some sort

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of compulsory Voluntary Service for National Service or something that

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would force young people to give service to the community. We've

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introduced the National Citizen Service, which is not voluntary,

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but has had to take up in the areas it has started. VAT is quite good

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because it helps children meet people from different backgrounds,

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maybe do things they are not used to doing, it helps with things like

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teamwork and leadership. You are a supporter of that. Absolutely.

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other thing we have been trying to encourage is a large number of new

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a sprinter ships to give people on the job training as well as

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training in the academic environment. Those are helpful. And

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encourage young people to go into the workforce. I meet a lot of

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young people who want to succeed. It is about giving them the

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opportunities. Thank you. Jesse Norman tweeting that the

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rumours of his demise are much exaggerating. That is from Mark

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Twain. For I didn't know what you meant! Military head was not on. --

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my literary head. PMQs, we have just watched the last one until

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September. How will we cope? These people are bitterly disappointed

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they can't watch it from the comfort of the Daily Politics

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studio until the autumn. We will invite them! Here is Quentin Letts

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with his guide to the main event of P is for PMQ use, Prime Minister's

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Questions, held in the House of Commons once a week. This is the

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chance for the Leader of the Opposition to have a good old go at

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the Prime Minister and for the PM to have a go back. Both men looking

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for a one-line singer which will be picked up by the media. The Prime

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Minister of our country can't even urge his party to support his own

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position. A weak, weak, weak. grammar-school boy is not going to

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take any lessons from that public school boy. How I want to talk

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about the future. He was the future once. Until the 1960s, prime

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ministers did not have regular a poor month and the House of Commons

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because they were not responsible for any single government

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department, but in 1961 comes this important innovation, P&G is. In

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that very first session, Harold Macmillan says, I am grateful to

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the honourable member about what he said on the arrangement of

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questions. This arrangement suits me much better because I know when

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to come here. Good old Harold! People sometimes alleged that he

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and Hughes is too rowdy, too raucous, that it means parliament.

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I don't know about that. It was ever thus. I've been covering the

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Commons since the last days of Mrs Thatcher and it was noisy then.

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BBC's radio coverage goes to 1978. Pretty noisy then. And in 1983, Mrs

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Thatcher, Prime Minister. The right net -- right honourable member is

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afraid of an election, is he? Frightened. Can't stand it.

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Frightened! Bakelite headphones like these yielded to the goggle

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box in the late 1980s when TV coverage started. Viewers watching

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pm queues could see something rather odd. Backbenchers ball-

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winning to their feet as if they were on poco States. They were

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trying to catch the Speaker's eye, trying to say I want to ask the

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Prime Minister a question. The first 10 minutes or so, the Leader

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of the Opposition has his go. Once he has spent his bullets, it is the

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turn of backbenchers, some of whom are guaranteed ago after a weekly

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ballot, but after that it is everyone to him or herself. This

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can be a terrible tyrant and PMQs televised is arguably one of the

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reasons for us so many sound bites. But this weekly scrutiny of the

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Prime Minister is a good thing. It gets used reviewers interested in

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what is going on in Parliament. PMQs is still very much a big

:24:49.:24:59.
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potato of the House of Commons week. J B potato! -- a big potato!

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You said you wanted the Prime Minister to renegotiate the

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coalition agreement, what did you mean by that? Most coalition's mid-

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term have a review and from a party political point of view, the Lib

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Dems and the Conservatives need to take a look at it agreement. Times

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are changing, new issues are emerging. A calm sensible look at

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it would be useful. After today's PMQs, who heads off to Tuscany with

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a bigger spring in their step, Labour or the coalition?

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Undoubtedly Labour are going home more cheerful. As ever, you have an

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opposition leader looking a bit Blyth, a bit unconcerned about what

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is happening to the country, but very smooth. A prime minister

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getting very frustrated that things are not going his way. It was like

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that today, but we had a spectacular moment on the

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backbenches. And Mary Morris from Newton Abbot... You may remember

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this, Andrew. There used to be a lady called Dame Ellen...

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Terrifically Batty! You may say that! I couldn't possibly comment.

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Did you know you were going to be called and is as important your

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profile as an MP to have got that question out? We are talking about

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it on network television. I think she did a great job asking the

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question, there was real passion. The chamber was rowdy and raucous,

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but she did a fantastic job and David landed the question smoothly.

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-- handled. I had not expected to be called, but I did feel it was

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important to raise the issue. We are halfway through a coalition now

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and there are clearly tensions emerge and. It is important,

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particularly for the Conservatives, to give some input into what

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happens next. Quentin, you have described our guest here, Mark

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Harper, as an MP who could pass for it door-to-door Bible salesman! Was

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there to complement or an insult? You sense with him that he might

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smell like toothpaste, he is very, very clean. He did very well

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yesterday, he might have sold a few Bibles yesterday, but it was not

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good enough for the coalition. you both assure us that the Speaker

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is losing his campaign to make PMQs less noisy? He has lost it, it was

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loud and raucous. We could not hear the questions. But he did his best.

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We thank you both for that. The last PMQs for this parliamentary

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term. You are not a door-to-door salesman. Only in the sense that

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all politicians a door-to-door salesman for their own parties. I'm

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very relaxed. Quinton and I get on very well. Most politicians are

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pleased to be written about. It is time to put you out of your misery

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and give you the answer to guess the year. It was 1970. Tessa, press

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that red button. This is the winner. Sue Middleton from Norfolk. He was

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Joining Andrew Neil and Jo Coburn today will be Constitutional Reform Minister, Mark Harper MP, and Shadow Olympics Minister, Tessa Jowell MP. BBC Political Editor Nick Robinson will also join us for full analysis of Prime Minister's Questions. And we'll also be joined by the Chairman of Poundland, Colin Smith, who thinks young people don't know the meaning of customer service.


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