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Conference Special

Andrew Neil and Jo Coburn with a Labour conference special, including live coverage of party leader Ed Miliband's speech and interviews including former cabinet minister Lord Reid.


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Good afternoon. Welcome to this day the politics leader's speech

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conference special. The leader in question of course Ed Miliband, the

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labour leader walking through the rainy windswept streets of

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Manchester. A lot hanging on the speech today, not only has he said

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he will give a sense of direction as to where Labour is going, but he

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will make us think more kindly about him. His personal poll

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ratings not that high at the moment, so this is an attempt to connect

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with the labour faithful and the British public. This will be geared

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towards the voters as well as the people in Manchester. He had got to

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get from the Midlands hotel across to this imposing conference centre

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in the heart of Manchester itself. Labour speeches always on Tuesday

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afternoon in modern times, that is when the highlight of a Labour

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conference takes place. I am going to be out and about on the

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conference floor finding out what delegates want to be hearing, and

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whether they have heard it. That is coming up. We will be with you for

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the next two hours. Keeping us company, John Reid. Why do you

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think Ed Miliband is struggling to connect with the British people?

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you are talking about the poll this morning, it was a telephone poll

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and every time you ask in any poll who looks more like prime minister,

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then people say the Prime Minister. The night before Thatcher won the

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election, Callaghan was 24% ahead on the same question. Gordon Brown

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was well ahead of David Cameron on the same question, and yet both of

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those obviously lost. That is not the question. Appalled at the

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weekend showed Labour only had a lead of 5%. One last week showed

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they had a lead of 15%. question was about whether he would

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make a good prime minister, 63% said no. Another one, do you think

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Ed Miliband is doing well or badly? 28% said he was doing well. In

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every poll under the sum they are saying the same thing so why it is

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he struggling? You will know when you ask people who do you trust

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most, Ed Miliband comes out ahead of the Prime Minister. Who is more

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in touch with your feelings of local people's problems, Ed

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Miliband comes out ahead. That is not to say he is where he would

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want to be, and I declare an interest. I voted for David

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Miliband two years ago, but give Ed Miliband his credit because people

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predicted there would be a feud, we were going to decline and so on. He

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stabilised the party, he unified the party, he has proved competent

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enough position on big issues, we are 10% ahead on average on the

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polls you mention. It may be getting lower. The trend is about

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10%. Whether that is because we are very attractive or because the

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government looks incompetent, and then of course there is a question

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over that. Nevertheless, you have to give him credit. He has scaled

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the foothills. Has he climbed the mountain? No, he hasn't. The said

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the poll that asks the question who they trust and the polls show Ed

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Miliband, but in the key issue of the economy, despite the current

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state of the British economy, which is not exactly glowing, British

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people still trust David Cameron and George Osborne more than Ed

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Miliband or Ed Balls - don't you find that remarkable? 5% more, last

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year it was 15% more so there has been a movement in that direction

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as well. If you ask me why that is, I think to be truthful that we lost

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the argument. I think we should have won the argument the year

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after the election. When we were electing a new leader and so on,

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there was an argument raging about why we were in this position in the

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deficit, and the deficit was not the cause. It was not the cause of

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a world recession. That is what the Conservatives implied. No, the

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argument is that because the deficit was still high after 10

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years of growth as it was at the time, that we weren't in a good

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enough shape to deal with the financial crisis. That is incorrect.

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Before 2008, the deficit in the UK was no higher than it had been when

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the Conservatives left office. It had gone down initially, then came

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up, but the deficit that we now face was the consequence of a world

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recession, and in intentional decision to spend money during that

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early terrible recession in order to stop unemployment spiralling out

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of control. Having said that, we didn't win that argument in that

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crucial 12 months after the election. The Conservatives

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repeatedly implied that it was free-spending Labour who had caused

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the world recession. Obviously a Labour government would not going

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to cause a world recession, but they won the argument and therefore

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Ed Miliband has to overcome that deficit, and in the last 12 months

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the difference between confidence in the Conservative government's

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economic policy and our policy has narrowed but they are still ahead.

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Let me interrupt you because I think we have got Ed Miliband going

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into the Conference Centre in Manchester. A lot of people are

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waiting for him anyway. We have spotted him. He has gone down the

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other way again. Where is he going? This is an excellent shot. You just

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have to be patient, people at home, and wait. These people are waiting

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to see if anything comes. It is like Spot the Ball competition. The

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flashing lights could be at low. Good things are worth waiting for.

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There he is with his wife, Justine. The speech has been written for

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quite some time, and to give it a personal torch he has been using

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her lifelong friend to help him on the personal parts where he wants

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to get across Ed Miliband this human. That will be part of his

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mission today. The couple ready for that big conference speech. If he

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is on time, he will be speaking in about five minutes.

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Let us get a sense of the mood in the build-up to the speech, and

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speak to two journalists. This has been billed as a getting to know Ed

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Miliband speech - he has a lot to do to persuade people they know

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that he is a prime minister in waiting. It is true. I was

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listening to John Reid wrangling about polling figures, but that

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evidence does matter and it is worrying to Ed Miliband and his

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team. We ran a poll at the weekend asking if people could imagine him

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as Prime Minister and less than 30% people cord. It is what I call the

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closing your eyes test. Voters have to imagine him standing on the

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threshold of Number 10. It is always difficult for leaders of the

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opposition, but one of his important tasks this afternoon is

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that more people by the end of this afternoon could imagine Prime

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Minister Ed Miliband. Does that mean that this speech has to be

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less about Concepts, predators and producers, and more about straight

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forward message to the people in the hall and out in the country?

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The exactly, he can't do another sociology essay. He has got to

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spring to life. The word is that he will spring to life, he will do the

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walking and talking been showing he can move without any strings. The

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drawback is that he will have to see if he can time his speech. If

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not, we might be here until 6 o'clock, reminiscing how tough he

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had it in his comprehensive. This is a big gamble. It is a difficult

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thing to do if you are not trained as a stage actor. If he pulls it

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off it will help. He you are right about the abstract concept. I hope

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somebody went through that speech and whenever they found an abstract

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noun, they took it out. I think it is refreshing that he is interested

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in political ideas like responsible capitalism, but then you have to

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turn it into language taking it out of the seminar room and taking it

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into people's living rooms, which means talking in populist language.

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Mrs Thatcher did not quote literature in speeches, instead she

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told people she would sell their council houses. If you look at the

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back row with the economy in the doldrums, coalition having a string

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of difficulties since the Budget, it is a big opportunity for him.

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Fraser Nelson talks about a gamble, he has got to seize it, hasn't he?

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Sure, and we will see just here how he manages to connect. What will he

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do to say we are on your side? I suspect there will be a lot of hits

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that the Tories. We had Tom Watson gearing their more saying we are

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ordinary people talking ordinary language, unlike these Etonians. I

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think in this speech we will hear a lot of attacks at the Tories saying

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they are out of touch. So are we going to hear a lot about the

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Tories' or criticisms, but what will he say about Labour and where

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they are going? Doesn't he need to build up the narrative for Labour?

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I think he does. Some people laugh saying where are the policies? But

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one of the advantages for Labour is they know where the finishing line

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is for this Parliament, and it is still some time away in the spring

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of 2015. If you have any good ideas in your manifesto, the coalition

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we'll nick it, if they have any sense. You start to come forward

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with some emblematic policies to illustrate your values and your

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direction of travel. Thank you, enjoy the speech.

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Shall we resume our Wrangle? They have civilised conversations, we

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have wrangling. Let me come back to this position of Ed Miliband in

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trying to connect with the country. Trying to portray him as an

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ordinary comprehensive school chap, we know that is not true. He does

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come from a different kind of elite from David Cameron, a different

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kind of social elite, but it was a pretty elitist background. I'm sure

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when you were a child you didn't have dinner with Tony Benn, or E P

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Thompson. In the case of Tony, perhaps I am lucky. The idea of

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showing somebody in terms of the personality and background is not

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new. Sue Hodson produced the famous movie... John Major went back to

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Brixton. In a chauffeur-driven car, passing the house he grow up in.

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You are right, Ed Miliband came from a family, which in many ways

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was disadvantaged because it was an immigrant family, book in some ways

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was academically and intellectually separate from the mainstream of

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people. That is not a bad idea. There is a degree of anti-

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intellectualism goes on, I don't think it should be a prerequisite

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of the Prime Minister that you are stupid and incapable of analysis.

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The complaint is that he does come from, in his own way, different

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from David Cameron, but he does come from a privileged background

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in a different way, so why deny it? This is where I would agree with

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what Andrew said, the keep in my experience, the keep in political

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communication is the capacity to think in an intellectual complex

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fashion, but to translate that into language with which people can

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relate and respond to. Which Tony Blair was good at it.

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was a master at it. Clinton was a master as well. Margaret Thatcher

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was not bad either. And yet she was derided before she was Prime

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Minister as being a stupid woman who spoke in over simplistic ways.

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Nick Robinson is in Manchester for us. I guess what we have been told

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- we have been told quite a lot about this Speech. We will get a

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sense of direction about where Labour is going to go under Mr

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Miliband. We are going to get a sense of Mr Miliband, the man and

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where he comes from? And above all, we will get a slogan, a slogan that

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has enormous historical resonance, not least in this city. 100 yards

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that way is the site of what was Manchester's Free Trade Hall. Not

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just the suffragettes, but Benjamin Disraeli, he declared he was in

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favour of one nation values. Today, rather cheekily, Ed Miliband will

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try and claim that historic Tory label of "one nation" and use it

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for himself, claiming David Cameron and the coalition are dividing the

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nation and only he and Labour can bring it together again. Why is he

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doing that? I saw that in the draft exerts we got -- draft excerpts we

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got? Why will that resonate for Labour in the country? Those two

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words don't mean a whole lot to many people watching this programme.

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Yet, they have got enormous political historical resonance.

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They are a bit of symbolism. They were symbolic in the 1980s for

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those Tories who opposed Mrs Thatcher. They were a code of

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saying, "We are in favour of keeping the country together, not

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dividing it by the economic policies of the time." More left-

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wing than Mrs Thatcher. It was a bit of code borrowed by Tony Blair

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in the 1990s who repeatedly described himself as "one nation"

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as a way of saying it was not older, not the Labour Party that divided

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the country between the bosses and the workers, between North and

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South, he was saying a Labour Party that brought people together. Ed

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Miliband is doing two things: One dealing with the suggestion that he

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is Red Ed, he is a left-wing Leader of the Labour Party, by saying, "No,

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I'm taking the language of the centre." Secondly, trying to occupy

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territory that he senses David Cameron has vacated, by moving away

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from, if you like, the hug a hoodie, or hug a husky early Cameron we saw

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when he was focusing on modernising his party. I don't think Mr

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Disraeli ever hugged a hoodie or a husky in the time. The Labour

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analysis of moving on to one nation ground, Labour believes Mr Cameron,

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he is a very right-wing Prime Minister. I'm not sure the rest of

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the country - they may not like him, that is another matter - but I

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don't think they don't regard him as Thatcherite. They probably do

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see him as within the one nation tradition of Tory politicians?

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think Ed Miliband will try and challenge that today. Yes. He will

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argue the cuts programme is not only not working in its own right,

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in other words you will hear the Labour Leader say repeatedly,

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"Borrowing is going up this year rather than going down" but he will

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claim that David Cameron has abandoned those one nation Tory

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clothes. He used to talk about being a green Tory, now he isn't.

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Now, of course, look, the difficulty with a phrase like "one

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nation", it can mean virtually anything to anybody. If you are a

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leader who has decided, as Ed Miliband has, not to spell out much

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in the way of new policy, not to give your prospectus and because

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you haven't a clue what the economy will look like by the next general

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election, then you have to go for some sort of narrative. That is

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what he is doing. He is giving us a narrative about himself. Will we

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get more of a sense - we are not looking for fast and firm policies.

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The election is two-and-a-half years away. Will we get a sense of

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the direction that a Labour Government under Mr Miliband would

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take? Only in the broadest terms, I think. There is a bit of a debate

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going on in the margins of this Conference about whether Ed

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Miliband and the Labour Party have given us quite a lot of a sense of

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that direction, or not. The argument in their favour is to say

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by saying you will take on the banks, which he will say again

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today, or the energy companies, or the pension companies, you are

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giving people an impression of the way you will go. You are above all

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saying, "This is how you can make a difference to people's lives as a

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centre-left party without relying on turning on the top of public

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spending." The counter is one that will say, "No Government to the

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left of the centre-left has had to deal with so little public money.

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There are extraordinarily dramatic choices that have to be made in

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public spending." If you don't spell that out, the public will

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have no real idea what you will do in office. Ed Miliband doesn't need

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to do that. He needs to highlight where the Government has gone wrong.

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He needs to resell himself and his personal story to the public. He

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needs to give a broad sense of direction. We may have to jump into

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the Hall quite soon - it is getting close to the start of the speech.

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There was a poll that showed the Labour lead was down to five points.

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Another one today showing it down to three points. Are they

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dismissing these polls as rogues? Is there some concern about a

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dwindling Labour lead? I'm sorry, I will have to - hold that question.

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I will come back and get you. We will have to go into the Hall. They

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are giving him a standing ovation. There he is. A nice blue background

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- I suppose that goes with the one nation theme of his speech. That is

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Mrs Miliband there. We will see if Fraser Nelson has got it right. It

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looks like he is going to walk around the lectern. APPLAUSE

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Andy Burnham applauding him. The Shadow Health Secretary. A packed

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hall. It's in an historic part of Manchester, this. Here is the

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Leader of the Opposition, Ed Miliband.

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It is great to be in Labour Manchester. APPLAUSE You know,

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Manchester has special memories for me. Two years ago, I was elected

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the leader of this party. I'm older - I feel a lot older actually!

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LAUGHTER I hope I'm a bit wiser. I am prouder than ever to be the

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leader of the Labour Party. APPLAUSE

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You may have noticed that doing this job you get called some names.

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Some of them nice. Some of them not so nice. Let me tell you my

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favourite. It was when Mitt Romney came to Britain and called me "Mr

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Leader". LAUGHTER I don't know about you, but I think it has a

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certain ring to it myself. It's sort of half-way to North Korea.

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Mitt, thanks a lot for that(!) Look, let me tell you a little insight

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into Conference. I always look forward to Conference. But the

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leader's speech, as previous leaders will attest, can be a bit

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of a trial. You get all kinds of advice from people. Say this, don't

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say that, smile here, don't smile there, stand there, don't stand

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there. Thanks, Tony, Gordon and Neil for that! LAUGHTER But

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sometimes you get a bit fed up with it as a leader. So the other day -

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and this is a true story - I decided that to get away from it

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all, the speech-writing - I would go for a walk with my three-year-

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old son, Daniel. It was a gorgeous late summer day. So we went out, I

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wanted to go to the park. Here's the first thing he said to me.

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"Daddy, I can help you with your speech." I was like, "Not you as

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well!" Look, he is a Miliband after all. LAUGHTER He said to me, "Daddy,

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you can't do it on your own." This is true. I said, "That is a good

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Labour insight. You can't do it on your own. Daniel, what do you want

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in my speech?" He said, "I want dinosaurs!" LAUGHTER He said, "I

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want dinosaurs. I want flying dinosaurs. I want dinosaurs that

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eat people, daddy." I said, "No, Daniel, we tried predators last

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year!" APPLAUSE Look, only one problem - where's my speech? I want

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to do something different today. I want to tell you my story. I want

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to tell you who I am, what I believe and why I have a deep

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conviction that together we can change this country. My conviction

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is rooted in my family's story. A story that started 1,000 miles from

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here. The Milibands haven't sat under the same oak tree for the

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last 500 years. Both of my parents came to Britain as immigrants.

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Jewish refugees from the Nazis. I know I would not be standing on

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this stage today without the compassion and tolerance of our

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great country, Great Britain. APPLAUSE

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You know, my parents saw Britain rebuilt after the Second World War.

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I was born in my local National Health Service hospital. The same

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hospital my two sons would later be born in. As you saw in the film, I

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went to my local school, I went to my local comprehensive with people

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from all backgrounds. I still teaching I got at that school. And

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one of my teachers, my English teacher, Chris Dunn, is here with

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us today. Thank you, Chris, and to all of the teachers. APPLAUSE It

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was a really tough school. But order was kept by one of the

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scariest head mistresses you could possibly imagine, Mrs Jenkins. You

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know what, I learnt at my school about a lot more than how to pass

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exams. I learnt how to get on with people from all backgrounds,

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whoever they were. I wouldn't be standing on this stage today

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without my comprehensive school education. APPLAUSE

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So, Britain gave me, gave my family, a great gift that my parents never

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had, a safe and secure childhood. You know, my parents didn't talk

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much about their early lives. It was too painful. It hurt too much.

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The pain of those they lost, the guilt of survivors. But I believe

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that their experience meant they brought up both David and myself

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differently as a result. Having struggled for life itself, they

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instilled in us a sense of duty to ease the struggles of others. And

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this came not just from my parents' wartime experience, it came from

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the daily fabric of our childhood. There were toys and games, rows

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about homework. I was a Dallas fan, believe it or not, which didn't go

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down well with my Dad, as you can imagine! LAUGHTER So of course

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there were the normal things. But every upbringing is special. And

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mine was special because of the place of politics within it. When I

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was 12 years old, I met a South African friend of my parents. Her

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name was Ruth First. The image I remember is of somebody full of

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life, full of laughter, and then I remember a few months later coming

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down to breakfast and seeing my Mum in tears. Ruth had been murdered by

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a letter bomb from the South African Secret Police, murdered for

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being part of the anti-apartheid movement. I didn't understand the

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ins and outs of it. I was shocked, I was angry. I knew that wasn't the

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way the world was meant to be. I knew I had a duty to do something

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about it. It is this upbringing that has made me who I am. A person

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of faith. Not a religious faith, but a faith none the less. A faith

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that I believe many religious people would recognise. So here is

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my faith. I believe we have a duty to leave the world a better place

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than we found it. I believe we cannot shrug... APPLAUSE

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I believe we cannot shrug our shoulders at injustice and say,

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"That is the way the world is." I believe that we can overcome any

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odds if we come together as people. That is how... You see, that is how

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my Mum survived the war. The kindness of strangers. Nuns in a

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convent who took her in and sheltered her from the Nazis. They

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took in a Jewish girl at risk to themselves. It is what my Dad found

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when he came to these shores and joined the Royal Navy and was part

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of Britain winning the war. Now, of course, my parents didn't tell me

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what career to go into. My late father, as some of you know,

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wouldn't agree with many of the things I stand for. He would have

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He would have been a little bit disappointed that it was untrue. My

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mum probably doesn't agree with me either, but like most mothers is

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too kind to say so. I wasn't certain I wanted to be a politician

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but I believe the best way to be true to my faith and give back to

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Britain is through politics. That is not a fashionable view today,

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because millions of people have given up on politics. They think we

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are all the same. I guess you could say I'm out to prove them wrong.

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That is who I am. That is who I am, that is what I

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believe, that is my faith. I know who Britain, who I need to serve in

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Britain with my faith. It is the people I have met on my journey as

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leader of the opposition, the people who come up to me on trains,

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in the street, in shops, who ask me about what the Labour Party is

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going to do for them and tell me the stories of their lives. It is

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for them, the people I have met on my journey, that today's speech is

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4. I think of a woman I met earlier this year, she was brimming with

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hopes and ambitions for the future. She was full of life, she was fall-

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off desire to get on and do the best for herself. Then she told me

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her story. She had sent off her CV to 137 employers and she had not

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had a reply from any of them. Many of you in this audience will know

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people in the same position. Just think how that crushes the hopes of

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a generation. I want to talk to her, to a generation of young people who

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feel that Britain under this government is not offering them the

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future. I think back to the small

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businessman I met in July, a proud man called Alan Henderson, the

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small businessman. Let me tell you his story. He spent 40 years

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building up his sign making business. 40 years. He told me his

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story. He went to see his bank manager in 1972 at his local high-

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street bank. He got a loan and he started his business, but something

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terrible happened to Alan Henderson and his family a few years back. He

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was ripped off by the bank he had been with all that time and his

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family have been living through a nightmare ever since. I want to

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talk to him and the people of Britain who feel they are at the

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mercy of forces beyond their control. I want to talk to the

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people of this country who have always thought of themselves as

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comfortably off, but now find themselves struggling to make ends

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meet. They ask why is it that when the oil price goes up, the petrol

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price goes up, but when the oil price comes down the petrol price

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just stays the same? May ask why is it that the gas and electricity

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bills just go off -- go up? An why can the privatised train companies

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can make so much profit at the same time as the fares rising every year.

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They ask why is it? They think the system just doesn't work for them.

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And you know what? They are right, it doesn't. It doesn't work for

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them because of cosy cartels and powerful interests that the

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government have not cut down to size. I want to talk to them and

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the millions of people across our country who feel they don't get a

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fair crack of the whip. I want to say to them, yes our problems are

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deep, but they can be overcome. The problems about whom Britain is won

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4 and who prospers within it. One rule for those at the top, another

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for everybody else. Two nations, not one. I want to say to them

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today it is not the Britain you believe in, not the Britain I

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believe in, not the Britain this party will ever be satisfied with.

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Friends, we are going to change it, and here is how. My faith that we

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can start with the inner strength of us as a country. The problem is

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not the British people. Just think about the Olympics and the

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Paralympic Games. It was a triumph for Britain. Why did we succeed? We

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succeeded because of our outstanding athletes. From Zara

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Phillips, the granddaughter of a parachuting Queen, to a boy born in

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Somalia called Mo Farah. Mo Farah, a true Brit, a true hero to our

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country. We succeeded because of the outstanding volunteers, the

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game's makers who we are here with They put a mirror up to Britain and

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showed the best of ourselves. We succeeded because of our

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outstanding troops, many of whom were drafted in at the last minute,

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and let's today pay tribute to their bravery, their courage and

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sacrifice in Afghanistan and all round the world.

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Let's say to them, just as you do our duty by us in the most

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courageous way possible, so we will always do our duty by you, both in

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military and civilian life. We succeeded because of our

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outstanding police, and let us in this city of Manchester show our

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appreciation for what the extraordinary policemen and women

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of our country do for our country. And we succeeded, and this is a

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real lesson, we succeeded because of a group of individuals who saw

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the odds against London's bid and thought never mind the orchids. We

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are going to pioneer the bidding for London. We are going to win the

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bid for London, from Sebastian Coe to our very own game Tessa Jowell.

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You know what, friends? We succeeded because of one reason

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more than any other, we succeeded because of us. We succeeded because

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of us. Us, the British people. Us, who welcome the athletes from

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abroad, who cheer them on, who found ourselves talking to each

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other every morning about what had happened in the Olympics the night

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before in a way we hadn't spoken to each other before. We succeeded

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because we came together as a country, we worked together as a

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country. That is why we achieved more than we imagined possible. You

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know, I will just tell you this. I can't remember a time like it in

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the whole history of my lifetime. I can't remember a time like it. That

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sense of a country united, that sense of a country that felt it was

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together. That is the spirit this Labour Party believes in.

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I may not remember that spirit, but that spirit has echoed through

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British history. 140 years ago, to the year, another leader of the

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opposition gave a speech. It was in the free trade war that used to

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stand opposite this building. His name was Benjamin Disraeli, he was

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a Tory, but don't let that put you off, just for a minute. His speech

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took over three hours to deliver and he... Don't worry! And he drank

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two whole bottles of brandy while delivering it. That is true! I want

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to say I know a speech that long would kill you, and the brandy

:42:01.:42:06.

would definitely kill me, but let's remember what he was celebrated for.

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It was a vision of Britain, where patriotism, loyalty, dedication to

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the common cause courses through the veins of everyone and nobody

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feels left out. It was a vision of Britain coming together to overcome

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the challenge as we face. Disraeli called it one nation. We heard that

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phrase again as the country came together again to defeat fascism,

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and again as the Labour government rebuilt Britain after the war.

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Friends, I didn't become leader of the Labour Party to reinvent the

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world of Disraeli, but I do believe in that spirit of one nation. One

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nation, a country where everyone has a stake. One nation, a country

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where prosperity is shared fairly, One nation where we have a shared

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destiny, and a common life that we lead together. That is my vision of

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one nation. That is my vision of Britain. That is the Britain we

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must become. And here is the genius of one nation. It doesn't just tell

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us the country we can be, it tells us how we can rebuild. We won the

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war because we were one nation, we built the piece because the

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Government understood we needed to be one nation. We have only come

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through the storm because we were one nation, but too often

:44:08.:44:12.

governments have forgotten that lesson. With 1 million young people

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out of work, we just can't succeed as a country. With the gap between

:44:18.:44:23.

rich and poor growing wider, we just can't succeed as a country.

:44:23.:44:29.

With millions of people feeling that hard work and effort are not

:44:29.:44:33.

rewarded, we just can't succeed as a contrary. And with so many people

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having been told for so long that the only way to get on is to be on

:44:40.:44:45.

your own, in it for yourself, we just can't succeed as a country.

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Yes, friends... To come through the storm, to

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overcome the challenges we face, we must rediscover that spirit. That

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spirit that British people never forgot, that spirit of one nation.

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One nation, a country where everyone plays their part, a

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APPLAUSE So, here is the big question of

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today. Who can make us one nation? Who can bring Britain together?

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What about the Tories? LAUGHTER What about the Tories? I didn't

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hear you! What about the Tories? AUDIENCE:

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Let me explain why. I want to talk very directly to those who voted

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for David Cameron at the last general election. I understand why

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you voted for him. I understand why you turned away from the last

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Labour Government. This Government took power in difficult economic

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times. It was a country still coming to terms with the financial

:46:08.:46:13.

crisis. A financial crisis that has afflicted every country around the

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world. I understand why you were willing to give David Cameron the

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benefit of the doubt. But I think we've had long enough to make a

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judgment. Long enough to make a judgment because they have turned a

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recovery into the longest double- dip recession since the war.

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Because there are more people looking for work for longer than at

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any time since the last time there was a Conservative Government.

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APPLAUSE And here is the other thing. What about borrowing?

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Borrowing. The thing they said was their number one priority. This

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year, borrowing is rising, not falling. Let me say that again.

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Borrowing, the thing they said was the most important priority, the

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reason they were elected. It is rising, not falling. Not because

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there hasn't been pain and tax rises and cuts affecting every

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family in this country. Not because they didn't want to cut borrowing -

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they did. Not because your services aren't getting worse - they are.

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But because if you stop an economy growing, then it leaves more people

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out of work claiming benefits, not paying taxes, businesses struggle,

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so they are not paying taxes. As a result, borrowing goes up.

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Borrowing - not to invest in schools and hospitals and transport

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and education, but borrowing to keep people idle. So the next time

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you hear a Conservative say to you, "Labour would increase borrowing"

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just remember it is THIS Government that is increasing borrowing this

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year. APPLAUSE So what have we seen? We have seen

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recession, higher unemployment, higher borrowing. I don't think

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that's what people were promised. Look, there will be some people who

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say - and this is an important argument - some people will say,

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"Well, there is short-term pain, but it's worth it for the long-term

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gain." I'm afraid the opposite is true. You see, the longer you have

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low growth in our country, the bigger the debt hole becomes for

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the future and the bigger our problems will be in the future. The

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longer a young person is out of work, that's not just bad for their

:49:00.:49:04.

prospects now, it is bad for their prospects for the whole of the rest

:49:04.:49:09.

of their lives. If a small business goes under during the recession, it

:49:09.:49:14.

can't just get up and running again during the recovery. So when David

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Cameron says to you, "Well, let's carry on as we are and wait for

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something to turn up" don't believe him. Don't believe him. If the

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medicine is not working, you change the medicine. I will tell you...

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APPLAUSE And friends, I will tell you what else you change. You

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change the doctor, too. That is Look around you, look around you.

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You know, the problem is the British people are paying the price

:50:05.:50:10.

of this Government's failure. You are going to the petrol station and

:50:10.:50:16.

not filling up your tank because you can't afford it. Your tax

:50:16.:50:20.

credits are being cut because the Government says it can't afford it.

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Your frail Mum and Dad are not getting the care they need because

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the Government says it can't afford it. But there are some things this

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Government can afford. The wrong things. What do they think at this

:50:37.:50:41.

most difficult economic time is going to get us out of our

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difficulties? What do they choose as their priority? A tax cut for

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millionaires. A tax cut for millionaires! Next April, David

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Cameron will be writing a cheque for �40,000 to each and every

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millionaire in Britain. Not just for one year, but each and every

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year. That is more than the average person earns in a whole year. At

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the same time as they are imposing a tax on pensioners next April.

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Friends, we, the Labour Party, the country knows it is wrong, it is

:51:24.:51:32.

wrong what they are doing. It shows their priorities. Here is the worst

:51:32.:51:38.

part. David Cameron isn't just writing the cheques, he's receiving

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one. LAUGHTER He is going to be getting the millionaires' tax cut!

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APPLAUSE So next week, maybe Mr Cameron can tell us how much is he

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awarding himself a tax cut? How much is that tax cut he's awarding

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himself for a job I think he thinks is a job well done? How many of his

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other Cabinet colleagues have cheques in the post from the

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millionaires' tax cut? How can he justify this unfairness in Britain

:52:17.:52:27.
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2012? APPLAUSE Of course, let's not forget this

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tax cut wouldn't be happening without Nick Clegg and the Liberal

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Democrats. Isn't it shameful that the party that supported, that

:52:44.:52:54.
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implemented the People's Budget of 1909, is supporting the

:52:56.:53:00.

millionaires' budget of 2012? That is the reality in Britain today. It

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is a rebate for the top. It is a rip-off for everybody else. It is a

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recovery for the top. It is a recession for everybody else. This

:53:08.:53:14.

Prime Minister said, "We are all in it together." Don't let him ever

:53:14.:53:24.
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tell us again, "We are all in this together." Friends, I say this: You

:53:26.:53:30.

can't be a one nation Prime Minister if you raise taxes on

:53:30.:53:35.

ordinary families and cut taxes for millionaires. You can't be a one

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nation Prime Minister if all you do is seek to divide the country,

:53:39.:53:43.

divide the country between North and South, public and private,

:53:43.:53:49.

those who can work and those who can't work. And you can't be a one

:53:49.:53:53.

nation Prime Minister if your Chief Whip insults the great police

:53:53.:54:03.
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officers of our country by calling There's one thing that this

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Government might have claimed to be good at. That's competence.

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LAUGHTER After all, they think they are born to rule. So maybe they

:54:39.:54:45.

would be good at it. Have you ever seen a more incompetent, hopeless,

:54:45.:54:51.

out of touch, U-turning, pledge- breaking, make it up as you go

:54:51.:54:54.

along, back of the envelope, miserable shower than this Prime

:54:54.:55:04.
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There's more. There's more. There's more. There's more. Not quite

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Disraeli, but there's more! LAUGHTER What have we had? We've

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had the caravan tax. We have had the churches tax. We have had the

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pasty tax. We have had the granny tax. We have had panic at the pumps.

:55:46.:55:56.
:55:56.:55:57.

We have had dinner for donors. We have had Rebekah Brooks. He even

:55:57.:56:07.
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rode the horse! He sent the texts, remember, LOL. And now what do we

:56:08.:56:13.

have? We have the Minister for Murdoch becoming the Minister for

:56:14.:56:20.

the National Health Service. We have an International Development

:56:20.:56:24.

Secretary. She says she doesn't believe in international

:56:24.:56:29.

development. LAUGHTER And get this. We have a Party Chairman who writes

:56:29.:56:34.

books about how to beat the recession under a false name.

:56:34.:56:38.

Really, I'm not making this up. I am not making this up. I have to

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say if I was chairman of the Conservative Party, I would have a

:56:42.:56:52.
:56:52.:56:56.

false name, too! LAUGHTER There it is. APPLAUSE But here is my

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favourite one of all. There's one more. Here is my favourite one of

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all. There's even a bloke - and I think they call him Lord Hill - he

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went to see the Prime Minister, he made an appointment during the last

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reshuffle in order to resign. But David Cameron was too incompetent

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to notice that he wanted to resign, so Lord Hill is still in the

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Government! LAUGHTER This lot are so useless they can't resign

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properly! Look, they are not going to build one nation. So it is up to

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us. Look, let me say to you one nation is not a way of avoiding the

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difficult decisions, it is a way of making the difficult decisions. I

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have to be very clear about this and about what faces the next

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Labour Government. You see, I think it is incredibly important that to

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be one nation we must show compassion and support for all

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those who cannot work, particularly the disabled men and women of our

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country. APPLAUSE But in order to do so, those who can work have a

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responsibility to do so. We can't leave people languishing out of

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work for one year, two years, three years. We have a responsibility to

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help them and they have a responsibility to take the work

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that is on offer. APPLAUSE To be one nation, to be one nation we've

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got to give much greater dignity to our elderly population. You know,

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we are going to have to tackle the care crisis that faces so many

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families up-and-down this country. I mean, living longer should be one

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of the great virtues of the 21st Century. But, friends, in order to

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be able to afford to do that we are going to have to work longer, have

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a later retirement age than we do now. To be one nation we've got to

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live within our means. And because borrowing is getting worse, not

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better, it means there will be many cuts that this Government made that

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we just won't be able to reverse, even though we would like to. And

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that's why we said in this Parliament that we would put jobs

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in the next Parliament we will have tough settlements for the public

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services. And that will make life harder for those who use them and

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harder for those who work in them. But here's the big difference

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between a one nation Government led by me and this current Government.

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Those with the broadest shoulders will always bear the greatest

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I would never cut taxes for millionaires and raise them on

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ordinary families. That is wrong, that is not being one nation. Here

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is the other thing, I would never accept an economy where the gap

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between rich and poor just grows wider and wider. In one nation, in

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my faith, inequality matters. It matters to our country. What does

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it mean for the Labour Party to be one nation? It means we can't go

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back to old Labour. We must be the party of the private sector just as

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much as the party of the public sector, as much the party of the

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small business struggling against the odds as the home help

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We must be the party of the South just as much as the party of the

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North. And we must be the party as much as the squeeze to middle as

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those in poverty. There is no future for this party as the party

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of one sectional interest of our country.

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So, too, it is right to move on from New Labour because new Labour,

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despite its achievements, was to silent about the responsibility of

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those at the top, and too timid about the accountability of those

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in power. In one nation, responsibility goes to the top of

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society. The richest in society have responsibility to show

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responsibility to the rest of our country. And I have got news for

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the powerful interests in our country. In one nation, no interest

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from Rupert Murdoch to the bank's is too powerful to be held to

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account. So we must be a One nation party, to become one nation

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government, to build a one nation Britain. Here is how we are going

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to take some steps to do that. We need a One nation economy, and the

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first big mission of the next Labour government is to sort out

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our banks. Sort them out once and for all. Not just to prevent

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another crisis, but to do what has not been done in decades. Necessary

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to enable us to pay our way in the world. We need banks that serve the

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country, not a country that serves its banks. Think about Alan

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Henderson, the small businessman I talked about earlier on. He wanted

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to be able to go into his bank, look his high-street manager in the

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eye, and know that he was working for him. Instead he found a bank

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more interested in playing the international money markets. That

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is why he was ripped off. Of course this government promised change,

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but things are not really changing so I have a message for the banks.

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We can do this the easy way or the hard way. Either you fix it

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yourselves between now and the election or the next Labour

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government will make sure the high street bank is no longer the arm of

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a casino operation and we will break you up by law.

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There will be some people who say this is too radical, let's just

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carry on as we are. I say we can't carry on as we are, we can't. Two

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nations, not one. The banks and the rest of Britain. We must have a One

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nation banking system as part of a One nation economy. Next, we need

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an education system that works for all young people.

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You see, to be a One nation economy, you have got to use the talents of

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all our young people. It is not just that it is socially right, it

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is essential for our economy in the future. I remember when Chris and

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myself were at Haverstock School, my comprehensive. For kids who are

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good at passing exams, they could go to university, and the world

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would just open for them like it did for me. But think about those

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kids who had talent and ability, great talent and ability, school

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just didn't offer them enough. It was true twenty-five years ago and

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it is even more true today. Just think in your minds eye about a 14

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year-old today, not academic, already bored at school, may be

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starting the process of truanting, not going to school. Of course,

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they need to get back school and their parents need to get them back

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to school. They can't drift through life with no qualifications, and

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Britain can't afford for them to do it either, but we can't just say to

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that 14 year-old "just put in that work" Because we have been failing

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them as well. For a long time, our party has been focused about

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getting 50% of young people into university. I believe that was

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right but now it is time to put our focus on the forgotten 50% who do

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not go to university. Here is the choice I want to offer

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to that 14 year-old who was not academic. English and maths to 18

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because rigour in the curriculum matters, but courses which are

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relevant to them, work experience with employers, and culminating at

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the age of 18 in a new gold standard qualification so they know

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when they are taking that exam they have a gold standard Vocational

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qualification, a new technical back up or a qualification to be proud

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of. We have got to change the culture of this country, friends.

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We can't be a country where vocational qualifications are seen

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as second class. They are a real route to apprenticeships and jobs.

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They can't be as valuable for young people as a university degree. We

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need to make it so! We have got to change the culture in this country

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and there needs to be that real route to apprenticeships. Let me

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tell you there is another problem. Only one in three large employers

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in Britain actually offers an apprenticeship. If anything, in the

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public sector, the situation is far worse. That is about a culture of a

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country. That is about a culture of the country which has not been

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dealt with for decades. It is the task of the next Labour government

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to do that. The public sector is going to have to step up to the

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plate and understand that we can't be two nations. We can't be two

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nations. When the public sector Office contract to the private

:09:25.:09:29.

sector, the next Labour government will make sure that every private

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sector contract will only be awarded to a company that trains

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the next generation with apprenticeships.

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Because when the public sector is having a contract with a private

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sector company, it is not just buying goods and services, it must

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be about building One nation together. Public and private

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sectors joining together to do it. And weeny a new deal with British

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business. -- we need. You set the standards, as you have long asked

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for, but you have a responsibility to make sure the training happens.

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In one nation, there is no place for free riding, free riding where

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firms that don't train poach workers from firms that do. Think

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about this vision of education. Education to the age of 18 with

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proper vocational qualifications, and then think about the vision on

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offer from the Conservatives. Michael Gove. Michael Gove. Michael

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Gove, who wanted to bring back... I think I get the point! Michael Gove,

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who wanted to bring back two-tier academic exams. I remember that

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what that was like. O levels, a whole group of people written off.

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We are not going back to those days. Michael Gove, who has contempt for

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Vocational qualifications and has abolished some of the best

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Vocational qualifications our country has. And Michael Gove who

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has nothing to say about education to 18. In education, there really

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is a choice of two futures. Education for a narrower elite with

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the Conservatives or One nation still system as part of a One

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nation economy with the next government.

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To be a One nation economy, we have to make life just that bit easier

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for the producers, and that bit harder for the predators. Predators

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and producers. I think one year on people know what I was talking

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about. You see, businesses tell me that the pressure for the fast buck

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from City investors, they just can't take the long view. They want

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a planned 10 years ahead but they have to publish their accounts in

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Britain every three months in line with the wishes of the best of

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British business. We will end that rule so British businesses can do

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that. Companies in Britain are for more easily bought and sold than in

:13:39.:13:45.

many other countries. Did you know that when a takeover is launched,

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the speculators can swoop in for a quick profit. They are not acting

:13:51.:13:57.

in the interests of firms or the nation, they are just in it for the

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money and that is wrong. We will change it for the nation. Here is

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that thing - I invite British business to work with us in advance

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up the next Labour government. Let's have a One nation business

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model as part of a One nation economy for our country. Friends,

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in banks, in education, in the rules of the game for companies,

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one nation gives an urgent call for change, but one nation is not just

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about things we need to change, it is about things we need to conserve

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as well. Saying that doesn't make me a Conservative. Our common way

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of life matters. My vision of one nation is and out would looking

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country, a country that engages with Europe and the rest of the

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I'm incredibly proud to be the son of immigrant parents. I'm

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incredibly proud of the multi- ethnic, diverse Britain which won

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us the Olympic bid and the Olympic bid saw that kind of country here

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in Britain. But to make that vision work, to make that vision work for

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our country, immigration must work for all and not just for some.

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Friends, too often in the past we've overlooked those concerns,

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dismissed them too easily. Here is where my approach is going to be

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different from the last Labour Government and this Conservative

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Government. You see, we need secure management of our borders, we need

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competent management of the system, but here's the big change. It is

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about the way our economy works. You see, immigration has really

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significant economic benefits, but not when it's used to undercut

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workers already here and exploit people coming here. APPLAUSE Now,

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the last Labour Government didn't do enough to address these concerns.

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The Tories never will. So the next Labour Government will crackdown on

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employers who don't pay the minimum wage. APPLAUSE We will stop

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recruitment agencies just saying they are only going to hire people

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from overseas. And we will end the shady practices in the construction

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industry and else where of Gangmasters. APPLAUSE So we need a

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system of immigration that works for the whole country and not just

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for some. You know, there is no more important area of our common

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life than the United Kingdom itself. One of our four countries, Scotland,

:17:27.:17:34.

will be deciding in the next two years whether to stay or to go. I

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want to be quite clear. Scotland could leave the United Kingdom. I

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believe we will be far worse off as a result. Not just in pounds and

:17:45.:17:55.
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pence, but in the soul of our nation. APPLAUSE You see, I don't

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believe that solidarity stops at the border. I care as much about a

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young person unemployed in Motherwell as I do about a young

:18:12.:18:16.

person unemployed here in Manchester. We have common bonds.

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We have deep bonds with each other. The people of Scotland and the

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people of the rest of the United Kingdom. By the way, if you think

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about the people of Scotland and the Olympic Games, they weren't

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cheering on just the Scottish athletes of Team GB, they were

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cheering on all the athletes of Team GB. APPLAUSE That's what the

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SNP don't understand. Why would a party that claims to be left of

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centre turn its back on the redistribution, the solidarity, the

:18:58.:19:03.

common bonds of the United Kingdom? Friends, it is up to us, it is up

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to us. We, the Labour Party, must be the people who fight, defend and

:19:10.:19:20.
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win the battle for the United Kingdom. APPLAUSE After the United

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Kingdom itself, there's no more important area of our common life

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than the National Health Service. APPLAUSE The National Health

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Service. The magic of the National Health Service for me is that you

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don't leave your credit card at the door. The National Health Service

:19:56.:20:01.

is based on a whole different set of values, a whole different set of

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values that the people of Britain love. Not values of markets, money

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and exchange. But values of competition, care and co-operation.

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That is the magic of the National Health Service. That is why the

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British people love the National Health Service. I'm afraid the

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Tories have shown in Government that something they just don't

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understand -- that is something they just don't understand.

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Remember before the election? Remember those airbrushed posters?

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"I'll protect the NHS" and there was that picture of David Cameron.

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Remember those speeches, the three most important letters to me, he

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said, were N-H-S. It was a solemn contract with the British people.

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And then what did he do? He came along after the election and

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proposed a top-down reorganisation that nobody voted for, that nobody

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knew about and nobody wanted. This is the worst part. When it became

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unpopular he paused - remember the pause? He said he wanted to listen.

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What happened? The GPs said "no", the nurses said "no", the

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paediatricians said "no", the radiologists said "no", the

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patients said... AUDIENCE: No! And the British

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people said? AUDIENCE: No! What did he do? He

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ploughed on regardless. He broke his solemn contract with the

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British people, a contract that can Let me tell you what I hate about

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this reorganisation. Let me tell you what I hate. I hate the waste,

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I hate the waste of billions of pounds at a time when the NHS has

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its worst settlement, its most difficult settlement for a

:22:24.:22:33.

generation. I hate the fact that there are 5,500 fewer nurses than

:22:33.:22:36.

when David Cameron came to power. Think of what he could have done if

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he hadn't spent billions of pounds on that top-down reorganisation and

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had used the money to employ nurses rather than sacking them! APPLAUSE

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But here's what I hate most of all. Here's what I hate most of all.

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It's the whole way they designed this NHS reorganisation. It was

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based on the model of competition that there was in the privatised

:23:15.:23:20.

utility industry - gas, energy and water. What does that tell you

:23:20.:23:23.

about these Tories? What does that tell you about the way they don't

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understand the values of the NHS? The NHS isn't like the gas,

:23:28.:23:32.

electricity and water industries. The NHS is the pride of Britain.

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The NHS is based on a whole different set of values for our

:23:37.:23:43.

country. Friends, it just shows that the old adage is truer now

:23:43.:23:49.

than it ever was - you just can't trust the Tories on the National

:23:49.:23:59.
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So let me be clear, let me be clear. The next Labour Government will end

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the free market experiment. It will put the right principles back at

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the heart of the NHS and it will So, friends, this is where I stand.

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This is who I am. This is what I believe. This is my faith. I was

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talking to my Mum this morning, as you do before a big speech, and she

:25:16.:25:25.

reminded me that her mother was born in a small Polish village in

:25:25.:25:35.

1909. I went back to that village with my Mum about a decade ago.

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2,000 people live there. It was quite an event having people from

:25:38.:25:45.

England coming over. It feels a long way from that village and what

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my parents experienced to this stage today. You see, Britain has

:25:51.:25:58.

given my family everything. Britain has given my family everything.

:25:58.:26:02.

Britain and the spirit, the determination, the courage of the

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people who rebuilt Britain after the Second World War, and now the

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question is asked again - who in this generation will rebuild

:26:11.:26:16.

Britain for the future? Who can come up to the task of rebuilding

:26:16.:26:21.

Britain? Friends, it falls to us. It falls to us, the Labour Party,

:26:21.:26:27.

as it has fallen to previous generations of Labour Party

:26:27.:26:32.

pioneers. To leave our country a better place than we found out.

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Never to shrug our shoulders at injustice and to say that is the

:26:36.:26:40.

way the world is. To come together, to join together as a country. It

:26:40.:26:43.

is not some impossible dream. We have heard it. We have seen it. We

:26:43.:26:51.

have felt it. That is my faith. One nation. A country for all with

:26:51.:26:56.

everyone playing their part. A Britain we rebuild together. Thank

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STUDIO: A confident Leader of the Opposition, Ed Miliband, he brings

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his speech to an end. We spoke for more than an hour. He spoke without

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notes. He didn't stumble once in that hour and five minutes. He was

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confident throughout. He must have memorised huge chunks of it. And

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other bits he probably ad libbed. They did not issue a speech in

:27:30.:27:34.

advance to check against delivery, which suggests that not all of it

:27:34.:27:38.

was memorised and that bits of it came to him as he went along, that

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he had a structure. He began by talking about himself, about his

:27:46.:27:49.

immigrant parents. He mentioned many times comprehensive education

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- there's his wife joining him on the stage to take the applause. A

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little kiss for him. The Labour Party will be happy with this

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performance today. For many of them, it may have been above their

:28:06.:28:09.

expectations. He came across better than he has at any time since he

:28:09.:28:12.

became Leader of the Labour Party. He talked about his faith, not a

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religious faith. But to leave the world a better place. There was, of

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course, with all politicians these days, the lauding of the Olympics

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and he talked about a country united. He invoked one Benjamin

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Disraeli and his one nation Toryism as an example of bringing the

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nation together. He got a standing ovation in the middle of his speech

:28:45.:28:51.

for attacking the Tories as "a miserable shower". It was that line

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which he built up to again, without any script notes, that brought the

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Conference to its feet. A happy Ed Balls there. He applauds Mr

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Miliband there. I suspect that Mr Miliband and the others around him

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will be feeling very happy with the performance that he gave today. It

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was short on policy. There were no new policies outlined. He did make

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it clear that another Labour Government would take on the banks,

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they would split the banks from their investment banking and the

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retail banks that you and I use on the High Street. He would split

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them. If they hadn't done it themselves by the time the next

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Labour Government came to power, he would split them. He outlined - it

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was briefed in the papers this morning - his plan for a technical

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qualification, a vocational qualification of huge status on a

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par with the academic qualifications that we used to have.

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Out he comes, walking through - there's our BBC crew. They are

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behind him! There's no escaping from the BBC on days like this! You

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can see he is looking pretty happy with himself. He knows that he

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pulled it off. It takes a lot of guts. Mr Cameron has done it, too.

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Takes a lot of guts to stand up in front of a huge hall with the

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nation's cameras on you without a note in your hand and deliver a

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speech of overan hour. -- over an Firstly, let's get reaction from

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you. What were the e-mails? The was general praise for his delivery.

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There was a divided over the substance. One person said Ed

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Miliband is really coming across as the most trustworthy, ethically

:30:58.:31:04.

capable of leaders. Sarah in Surrey said what the uniting speech so far,

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with a lot of humour as well. Roddy said Ed Miliband's training in

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speeches and connecting to the public is showing through. The

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problem is what he is saying looks instructed, and his stories appear

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cringe worthy. One good point on his speaking - practice has

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persisted, but whereas the substance? This one says 45 minutes

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into the speech from Ed Miliband and there is not much in it.

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Congratulating police, soldiers and the Olympics, most people would

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agree with that, we want to know what he would do in the future.

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Let's speak to Nick Robinson. Give me your initial impressions.

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think this is a speech that will be remembered for its performance

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double-fault. It was a feat of memory. He has been dismissed

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before, but he wowed the hall, and I felt a sense of relief around me.

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It was also memorable for the theme of one nation. It is audacious, it

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has been done before by Tony Blair, but stealing this is an audacious

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way of trying to fill the space Ed Miliband believes David Cameron has

:32:38.:32:43.

vacated in the centre of British politics. In the end people will

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say what is the substance? What you got is a direction of travel. He

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would say you do know what he cares about, you know what he called his

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faith and the detail will come later. After all, there is another

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two of these to deliver before the next general election. He had to

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speak to the party faithful and the wider country - I suspect those

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around him think he has pulled off both. The air is no doubt about it,

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in the hall there was the real sense they were sharing this with

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him, willing him on. The fact he got two standing ovations during

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the speech, one attacking the Tories, one about the NHS, told the

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story. They laughed with him, they felt emotional with him when he

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spoke about his parents. They took him into their bosom today, and he

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gave the sort of performance that would make them think we could see

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him fighting a general election. The last person to pull off that

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sort of trick was David Cameron, the man who spoke with no notes

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about British politics. Compare where Ed Miliband is now compared

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with where he might have been. There was a danger after that

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pretty dire defeat in 2010 that the Labour Party turned on itself, but

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they haven't. There is an argument they might have done that even more

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if the leader was David Miliband, someone's seen as a Blairite right-

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wing person. There is another danger Ed Miliband has managed to

:34:25.:34:30.

avoid which the Labour Party didn't avoid in the 80s, the wilderness

:34:30.:34:40.
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years, it is this - they are not being shrill. There was a sense

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that they felt we could not believe they have been thrown out of power.

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Ed Miliband today said I understand why people gave Conservative Party

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a chance, they have just been found wanting. I think he will consider

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this the case of job done. One more question, should we be encouraged

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to see this in strategic terms as Ed Miliband placing his tanks

:35:19.:35:24.

firmly on the centre ground, and even a slap in the face for the

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union militants? He did talk about splitting the banks, the Governor

:35:28.:35:33.

of the Bank of England is in favour of that, not particularly left-wing

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policy. Widespread support in business across the country for

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other things he said, is this a bid for the centre? It was certainly

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meant to be, and he wouldn't mind if a couple of trade union leaders

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said it was positively Blairite and they didn't like it. That is where

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he wants to be positioned, and you can't really judge that positioning

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until we know that policy detail. We have had a couple of aspirations

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today, an aspiration to sort out the banks, to sort out the fact

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there should be a better system of education and more apprenticeships.

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Until we know exactly how that would be done, and we only got

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hints of that today, it would be impossible to say whether he was

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left or right, but what is clear is that Ed Miliband wanted to say as

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loud as he could in the phrase that he knows people will understand, I

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am in the centre, that is what the one nation code means. A lot of

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people watching might say what does that phrase mean? It means he tells

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you where he wants to be seen to be going, but yes of course the Tories

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as early as next week in their conference will say no doubt hollow

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words, he is not really committed to getting the deficit down. What

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we may be seeing - I will leave you with this slightly horrendous

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thought - I think we have just seen the beginning of the longest

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election campaign in British history. I put on the facial

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expression of horror. You can't see it now on the monitor. Nick

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Robinson, thank you for that analysis. The no freeze frames on

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you true. Your initial reaction to the speech? I have been listening

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to and sometimes writing speeches for leaders of the Labour Party

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since 1983 and that is up there with the best of them. I don't

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think just because people were lowering their expectations in the

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press, but it answered two big questions which were being asked

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this morning. Ed Miliband didn't choose the questions, but they were

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is he really a leader who can communicate with the country? And

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he answered that today. It was a super speech in those terms. He

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took a big risk because to try to ad-lib for one hour, yes he will

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have rehearsed, but a lot of that obviously came from what he truly

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believes. He took the complexity of his thinking and communicated it

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simply in anecdotes. First question answered. Second question is,

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whereas the Ed Miliband Labour Party positioned? I thought in

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terms of his positioning, the one nation argument that the centre

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identifying with aspirations and so on, I thought he was in the correct

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political position. He probably won't like me saying this, but in

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terms of his ability to communicate with an audience, I was asked

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yesterday by a correspondent from the BBC as a final question - how

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does he compare with Tony Blair? I said that is an unfair question,

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there are very few politicians in Europe who can communicate the way

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Tony Blair did. There were large sections of this today which

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approximated an approach towards the ability in terms of his

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presentation of Tony Blair to communicate and in politics to

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reach out to everybody in terms of his one nation theme. There were

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questions this morning for Ed Miliband to answer. He has answered

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them with that speech. The did you say a BBC interviewer have tried to

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trip you up? I asked me a forensic question, let me put it that way.

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Let me go straight to shadow foreign secretary Douglas Alexander.

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Welcome. How long has Benjamin Disraeli been Ed Miliband's

:40:17.:40:22.

political hero? I think he answered that question today by saying his

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mission was to build a one nation Britain. He was generous enough to

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attribute the phrase to Benjamin Disraeli. It was issued several

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decades ago, and he said even the speech would not convince your

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viewers Ed Miliband is a conservative but he was making a

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statement about what he believes, that we are at our best as British

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people when they come together and the challenge of building a one

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nation country is the defining mission of the next Labour

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government. There is nothing new about it. Tony Blair in 1997, I

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believe in Britain, one nation reborn. Tony Blair, 2004, New

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Labour now wears the one nation mantle. Ed Miliband in February

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this year, we need what you might call one nation banking. David

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Cameron, we need one nation deficit reduction. Boris Johnson, I am a

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one nation Tory. What's new? Firstly the ridiculousness of the

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Conservatives are trying to claim the one nation went every day their

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policies are dividing the nation. I make no apology for the continuity

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that you suggested between the politics that we stood for in the

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mid- 1990s when we won a majority together with the task of bringing

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the country together after that election victory. Our job as the

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Labour Party representing not just people in England, but in Scotland,

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Wales and Northern Ireland, our job is to come up with policies that

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bring people together. We have got more than a million of our young

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people without work. You can have no credible claim to be a one

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nation Conservative it you are overseeing one in five young people

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in our country condemned to the scrapheap. Today what we heard from

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Ed Miliband was the authentic Ed Miliband voice. This is his mission,

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and I feel there are many people across the country who have been

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waiting to hear that voice and that vision. The Tories have taken off

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their one nation clothes, left them, and you have picked them up and run

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away with them? They gave up any claim to be in this together when

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they decided to write cheques for every millionaire in the country

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for �40,000 next April whilst increasing taxes for pensioners. Ed

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Miliband made it clear there will be tough decisions, but week as the

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Labour Party believe those with the broadest shoulders should bear the

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heaviest burden. That is a message to the country has been waiting to

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here. Can I pick up on a line from the speech - you are saying to me

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now that every millionaire in this country is going to get a cheque

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for �40,000? If you look at the changes that were announced at the

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last Budget in terms of the tax cut given to 45%, there will be

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benefits of �40,000 for individual millionaires across the country.

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what Ed Miliband will be getting a cheque for �40,000 as well? Income

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tax is based on income. So why it are you talking about wealth? The

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income tax... You have surfaced again and again. You know enough

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about economics to know that this is not true. Income tax is on

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income, so if you get paid a million, you will get �40,000, but

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if you are simply were the million, you will not be - correct? I am

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happy any other day of the week to have this conversation, but the

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truth is there are many people who will be benefiting by �40,000 next

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April. How many? I don't have the red book in front of me. There are

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6000 people in this country earning over �1 million the year. Let me

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finish the point, then I will come back to you because facts do matter

:44:58.:45:06.

in politics. There are 310,000 millionaires in this country. It is

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only the 6000 earning over �1 million who will be getting the

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:45:20.:45:20.

Facts matter. It is Mr Cameron's �40,000. He's made a conscious

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decision... If you think, or if people watching this programme

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think it is justifiable for those thousands of people to be getting

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�40,000 tax cut while pensioners are paying more tax, I disagree.

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You may well be right, you well know that wasn't my point. Let me

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finish up with you on this. Do you see this as a move by a man who

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says he isn't Red Ed at all to the centre ground? Listen, I have known

:45:54.:45:58.

Ed for more than 20 years. I have been discussing this speech with

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him for months. This is not a tactical move. This is a judgment

:46:03.:46:08.

by Ed Miliband about what the country needs. All I would say to

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you on the basis of my friendship and knowledge of the man, this was

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the authentic voice of Ed Miliband. I think that is a message that is

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well received here in Manchester. I hope and believe it will be well

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received across the country. speech seemed to go down very well

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in the hall? I am delighted. This is what brought me into politics,

:46:31.:46:34.

to bring people together. I welcome and celebrate the speech that we

:46:34.:46:37.

heard from Ed Miliband. I believe we are a bit closer to Downing

:46:37.:46:41.

Street at the end of that speech than we were at the beginning.

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Maybe one - if you are going to quote Conservative history, you

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need to get it right. My understanding is Benjamin Disraeli

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did not use the "one nation" phrase in his speech. He also said, "Keep

:46:59.:47:08.

an eye on Paisley." You are right - that wasn't Disraeli. Go and do

:47:08.:47:18.
:47:18.:47:20.

your homework! Read Civil - good to see you. All right. We better end

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this before everyone switches off! Thank you. Thank you.

:47:25.:47:35.

Remember not to have a fight with you over what Disraeli said or

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didn't say. The question the nation is asking how he managed to finish

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two bottles of brandy and finish his speech? That is water?!

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Hope so. There was a warm reception for Ed

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Miliband today in the hall. Adam has some delegates with him.

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Afternoon. We are taking a leaf out of Ed Miliband's book and doing

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this unplanned. We are going to grab people randomly. I will go

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this way. Hello. You are live on the Daily Politics. What did you

:48:06.:48:11.

think of the speech? Marks out of ten? 11. That is not possible!

:48:11.:48:15.

least ten. What was the highlight? I thought the highlight was towards

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the end of the speech where he made the commitment about the NHS. That

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was absolutely brilliant. I think the whole thing was good in that

:48:23.:48:29.

the one nation message was very firmly put down, and we knew

:48:29.:48:33.

exactly where he was going. That was the speech of the next Prime

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Minister. Guys, what was it like hearing about his background?

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Apparently, he went to a comprehensive school? So did we!

:48:45.:48:53.

Brilliant. His personality came through. He did really well. Just -

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it wasn't set out as structured, but he went off the mark,

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especially with the NHS and his message to the banks, which was

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important. They are happy with the Tory-bashing. Hello there. What

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would you give the speech out of ten? Very uplifting. He gave his

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vision. His message to the country - he will bring this country back

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to where it should be. What does "one nation" mean? Practice? Well,

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we are all - like Cameron said, we are all in it together - we aren't.

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There are them and us. Ed will bring this nation like we were

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after the war, we came back from nothing and we will come back after

:49:31.:49:35.

this lot have gone. Good stuff. How about you? What is your definition

:49:35.:49:39.

of what "one nation" means? means everyone moving in the same

:49:39.:49:43.

direction, with the same aims and targets in life. That's what it

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means to me. I thought it was quite interesting that he introduced

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something that was devised by a Conservative Prime Minister,

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Disraeli, in Manchester, as he said. It was a very good speech. I would

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give it nine out of ten. Nobody makes a perfect speech, do they?

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The audience lapped it up. I did enjoy it. Thank you. Thank you. I

:50:04.:50:08.

have spotted somebody I spoke to doing the Daily Politics Mood Box

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:50:18.:50:19.

the other day. You are a former Tory. Now Ed Miliband is quoting

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Disraeli? I know. I fought the last election against Michael Howard in

:50:25.:50:29.

2005. I fought because I was so horrified at what had happened to

:50:29.:50:32.

the Conservative Party. Disraeli would have been horrified. Ted

:50:32.:50:37.

Heath, John Major, they would have been horrified at what happened to

:50:38.:50:42.

that party. It was no longer a party of one nation. It was a party

:50:42.:50:47.

which divided the whole country. Now, we've got a party of one

:50:47.:50:52.

nation. We are all fighting, should be fighting, for the same things.

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OK. Are you looking forward to selling the one nation concept on

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the doorstep, delivering leaflets? Definitely. We want a nation as a

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Labour Party that are fighting altogether, equal opportunities in

:51:05.:51:08.

law, and this is why I joined the Labour Party. This is the attitude

:51:08.:51:14.

and I am really excited to be fighting for Ed Miliband to be

:51:14.:51:18.

Prime Minister, fighting for the one nation Government under his

:51:18.:51:22.

leadership. We are gathering quite a crowd here. Who wanted to say

:51:22.:51:26.

something about the delivery of the speech? The delivery was great. He

:51:26.:51:31.

didn't say anything of substance. He threw out a load of buzzwords -

:51:31.:51:39.

one nation this, and rebuilding that, blah blah. We are having an

:51:39.:51:46.

argument here now! No, don't interrupt. Some real ideas for...

:51:46.:51:54.

It is called debate! They have got on to this infrastructure bandwagon.

:51:54.:51:57.

What would you say? This Government is trying to divide the South from

:51:57.:52:03.

the North. We have regional pay on the table. People who aren't

:52:03.:52:06.

working are being made to be demonised, or if you are disabled.

:52:07.:52:11.

It is not right to divide people. don't disagree with that. I love

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the idea... Why don't you two carry on. I will talk to one more person.

:52:15.:52:20.

What you got today was a very happy, a very confident, a very relaxed Ed.

:52:20.:52:23.

An Ed that would take people forward and was confident. That is

:52:23.:52:27.

the difference. It might have been missing in years before. It wasn't

:52:27.:52:33.

today. How do you think he learnt the speech? I think because he's

:52:33.:52:39.

passionate, he is able to connect with with with people and he has

:52:39.:52:45.

very good people skills. Good skills of memory! And good skills

:52:45.:52:55.
:52:55.:52:55.

of memory also. And I think he positioned the party very well.

:52:55.:53:02.

Right. We have run out of time. Thank you very much. It was very

:53:02.:53:09.

hot in that hall. These fans have lasers built into them! I need to

:53:09.:53:12.

bring the heat down! You were keeping cool under

:53:12.:53:16.

pressure. That is all the BBC can afford for

:53:16.:53:19.

air-conditioning! Thank you very much. John, is that

:53:19.:53:23.

the sort of speech or were there parts of that speech that Tony

:53:23.:53:29.

Blair could have made? Yes. Could he have made all of it?

:53:29.:53:33.

and Clinton and people like that have been great communicators. They

:53:33.:53:38.

have been accessible. They have been able to speak in a language

:53:38.:53:41.

that others have been able to identify with. Ed Miliband has

:53:41.:53:45.

never been seen like that. That is why today was a bit of a revelation.

:53:45.:53:49.

That was the question that many in the media had placed over his

:53:49.:53:53.

speech. A good speech should educate, it should inspire and it

:53:53.:53:56.

should point direction - leadership. I think there were substantial

:53:57.:54:01.

elements of all of that today. The education part was actually about

:54:01.:54:05.

Ed Miliband himself. That was the questions that were being asked -

:54:05.:54:08.

what is this guy like? Can he communicate? Is he a geek? He

:54:08.:54:14.

answered that. It was inspiring. Yes, it is an old theme. But the

:54:14.:54:18.

one nation is of particular relevance in times of adversity.

:54:18.:54:23.

It's caught on. It has caught on because people know the country is

:54:23.:54:27.

in adversity at the moment. There's a long recession in front of us.

:54:27.:54:33.

Many difficult choices. I think the contrast of his approach today and

:54:33.:54:40.

some of the actions of the present Coalition Government I think is

:54:41.:54:45.

pretty obvious. The final... What about aspiration? Was there enough

:54:45.:54:48.

aspirational politics in there to speak to the country and not just

:54:48.:54:53.

the Labour Party? Yes. That is important. The key thing that

:54:53.:54:57.

changed with Labour in the '90s was to stop being identified as only

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the party of the disadvantaged. And to look towards and relate to

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working people who were ambitious for themselves and the kids. There

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was a large section today that said half of our population doesn't go

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to university. It doesn't mean to say they are worthless or without

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ambition. I thought the material he had on education, the proposals on

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that, for the other 50% of the population were right on the button

:55:23.:55:28.

with the aspirations and the ambitions of many families in this

:55:28.:55:30.

country who don't see their children going to university, but

:55:31.:55:34.

they think they can make a huge contribution. Incidentally...

:55:34.:55:39.

Making it more worthwhile in terms of technical qualifications? Giving

:55:39.:55:44.

them a status because incidentally this is of a huge benefit to the

:55:44.:55:50.

country as well. I think we grossly undervalue apprenticeships, we did

:55:50.:55:56.

a lot during the last Government, we don't do enough. Education for

:55:56.:55:59.

non-university students. Even at universities, engineering, science

:55:59.:56:03.

subjects and things like that. That is why I am so pleased with the

:56:03.:56:07.

speech. You were surprised? You didn't think it would be as good as

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that? It is not that I didn't think it would be add good - well, to be

:56:12.:56:18.

truthful, I didn't think his presentation would be add -- would

:56:18.:56:25.

be as good - well, to be truthful, I didn't think his presentation

:56:25.:56:30.

would be as good. I was more pleased about the positioning of

:56:30.:56:35.

the Labour Party. I have always been worried that in the last few

:56:35.:56:39.

years of the last Government and the early stages of opposition that

:56:39.:56:46.

we could move to the left. To see him identifying with ordinary

:56:46.:56:50.

people who want to see their ambitions for their children

:56:50.:56:54.

fulfilled, as well as protecting the disadvantaged, that was very

:56:54.:56:58.

encouraging. Not good news for these militant union leaders?

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it isn't. I think that he has carried - he's managed to combine

:57:06.:57:10.

two things. He's managed to combine change with continuity from New

:57:10.:57:15.

Labour. I'm happy with that. The essence of New Labour was continual

:57:15.:57:21.

renewal. I think he's managed to renew ourselves in the context of

:57:21.:57:25.

today rather than in the 1990s when people like myself were formulating

:57:25.:57:30.

policy, but to do so by keeping himself in a central position to

:57:30.:57:33.

appeal right across society and across the regions and nations of

:57:33.:57:36.

the country. What has he got to do with the unions now? That is the

:57:36.:57:41.

challenge for him, isn't it? It's how to on the one hand keep them on

:57:41.:57:46.

side when they are saying, "Get rid of all the New Labour cuckoos out

:57:46.:57:50.

of the nest" and talking about strike action because they are the

:57:50.:57:53.

backers, they are the big Labour Party backers and this aspirational

:57:54.:57:58.

Labour Party? He has to do what every successful Leader of the

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Labour Party has done. He has to talk to the trade unionship and...

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There's a difference. People in this country, whatever they are

:58:08.:58:12.

working in, or even if they are out of work, they understand we have

:58:12.:58:16.

borrowed a lot of money to prevent unemployment scaling out of control

:58:16.:58:20.

during the recession. They also recognise it has to be paid off.

:58:20.:58:24.

You will not persuade them to do so unless they think that everyone is

:58:24.:58:28.

making a sacrifice and as he said, the one with the broadest shoulders

:58:28.:58:31.

are wearing the burden. That is the key. We have to put our viewers out

:58:32.:58:37.

of their misery and give them the answer to Guess The Conference Year

:58:37.:58:43.

competition. It was 1981. John, if you thump that red button, the

:58:43.:58:51.

winner will come up. Go! There we go. John Robertson from Paisley.

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