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Andrew Neil and Jo Coburn with all the latest from the Conservative Conference in Birmingham, including an interview with Mayor of London Boris Johnson.


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Afternoon, folks, welcome to the Daily Politics. In the words of

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Monty Python, he's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy! Or is he?

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Boris Johnson has hit Birmingham. The City has not seen anything like

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it since Ken Dodd played the Hippodrome in 1965! We will be

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speaking to the man himself, Boris, not Ken Dodd!

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The attention has apparently not been good for his ego but we

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thought we would add to the further anyway. He has got everything, he

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keeps the crowds, he makes us all happy.

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We will be talking to this man about how he will keep the health

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service healthy. He is not from the FA, he is the Health Secretary,

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Jeremy Hunt. And burglars beware - householders

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in England and Wales will soon be able to defend their home and

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family without fear of prosecution. As Nick Robinson said, we have gone

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from hug a hoodie to bash a burglar in under two years.

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All that is coming up in the next hour, with us for the duration the

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former Secretary of State for Scotland, Michael Forsyth.

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Let's talk about the economy, Michael Forsyth takes a big

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interest. It dominated conference yesterday, until Boris Johnson

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arrived! A report from the International

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Monetary Fund, the IMF, did not make happy reading for the

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Chancellor this morning. Its latest World economic Outlook, the IMF

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says it expects UK economic output to shrink by 0.4% this year, and

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that will be followed, it says, by a rise of just over 1% in 2013.

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That is also a downgrade. This is what the Prime Minister said.

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Obviously these are difficult times for the economy, and what the IMF

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report is doing is coming into line with other forecasters who have

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already said growth will disappoint right across Europe this year. We

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know that. But the IMF also say we should not abandon our plans of

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making reductions in government spending and also, regrettably in

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some cases, putting up some taxes to get on top of our debt and

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deficit. We do not new palm be, what we are doing is making sure

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that every part of plan A is firing on all Senate -- cylinders.

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The Prime Minister. Contrary to some reports, the IMF

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does not say to the government you have to change the plan now, but it

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says if growth continues to be as bad as it is now, you will have to

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change? That is embarrassing? have not read the report, but

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usually they are pretty hedged about, I am not surprised there are

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nuances. I think we have got fixated with reducing the deficit,

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of course we have to, but the way to reduce the deficit is to get

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growth going again. I think what was lacking in a speech from the

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Chancellor was any indication other than the scheme for equity and

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small businesses, any indication of how he will get smaller and medium-

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sized businesses running ahead. That is the only way forward.

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does not, in a sense, have strategy for growth? It feels a bit like Mr

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Micawber, he hope something will turn up when the numbers come out.

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I think we have to be more radical, looking at tax reductions and

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finding ways to finance them. Instead of putting off the spending

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cuts, we should perhaps look at other ways of making reductions in

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public expenditure, it seems to me. On overseas aid where there is a

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37% increase planned, even if they still wanted to go ahead, why not

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defer that rather than cutting people's benefits? Similarly, if

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the Government believes that we should reward people in work and

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not those on benefit, what were they doing increasing benefits by

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5.5% when what we should be saying is that benefits will be increased

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in line with the growth and wealth of the country, and that means that

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we will not be able to do RPI. It does not seem as if there is any

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appetite in the Treasury, or in 10 Downing Street, for a radical

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supply of reforms? The traditional Tory recipe would be to say, look,

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let's make the taxes flatter, let's cut them and get rid of all the

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complications, all the loopholes - which, by the way, is what the tax

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avoiders use. It is so easy to be a tax avoided because the tax code is

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now so complicated. But I see none... I agree with you, and when

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we were in opposition and I did the Tax Reform Commission, he said to

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me, I want a simpler, flatter, fairer system. But he has

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complicated the system and has not done, as you have described, he has

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not taken the action necessary to broaden and lower the tax base.

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There was a very good passage in his speech when he defended the 45%

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reduction, arguing it would mean more money and less pressure on

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poorer people. The same argument could have been done for lowering

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it to 40%, and the same argument applies to those being pushed into

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paying 40% tax, the middle earners. The result will be you will get

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less revenue and that will make the deficit worse.

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He made the tax code more complicated yesterday by announcing

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that if you are prepared to give up employment rights, or most of them,

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and you are a new work in a company, you can get shares in the new

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company and will not pay capital gains on them. What did you make of

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that? I couldn't work out what problem he was trying to us all. If

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the problem is that people want to take on workers but they are not

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sure, particularly young workers, whether they will perform and

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whether it will be very expensive to fire them because they will

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threaten to go to a tribunal, with enormous legal costs, I don't see

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how do having a scheme of giving them shares in the business to give

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up their employment rights will be in the interest of employer or

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employee. They end up in shares with a company that they can't deal

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with... They can't sell... incentive apparently is you will

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not have to pay capital gains tax, but everyone has a �10,000 capital

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gains tax allowance before they have to pay any, so that does not

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see much of an incentive. I just wonder what problem he is trying to

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solve. Other than I have to say something to the Tory party

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conference? I forgot that. People can get up to �50,000 in shares,

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but for many companies it would be a lot lower. You might get �10,000

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worth of shares, any capital gain you get is tax free, but even if

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the value of the shares doubled you would not have paid tax anyway?

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if you are starting a business the last thing you want to do is give

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away equity, because if the business grows, that is their way

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in which she will race money. If you have given it to a load of

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people you have subsequently hat -- sacked and who hate you, you have a

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big problem. I don't think this is addressing the issue, the cost of

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taking people on and if it does not work reaching an agreement with

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them to leave. Similarly, it seems the big problem we have and the

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economy at the moment his confidence, and taking away

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employment security from people is not a way of increasing confidence.

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Wasn't it at one of the things in the report? A suggestion? I read in

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the newspaper to date that he said it was one of his ideas, but I have

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not seen it. Ruth Davidson is currently Leader

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of your party in Scotland. She said yesterday it is staggering a public

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sector spending makes up 50% of Scottish GDP. But only 12% are net

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contributors, so the average Scottish household consumes over

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�14,000 more in public services than it pays in taxes. These

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figures may be true, but was that her Mitt Romney moment? Deadliest

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governor Ron the only insulted 47% of Americans -- at least governor

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Mitt Romney only in some third. think it could have been phrased

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better. She is right that there is a high dependency on public money

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in Scotland, but the way forward is to encourage more small businesses

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and enterprise. I think to accuse people on the public sector pay

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roll of being dependent on the stage, we are talking about doctors,

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nurses and so one, they spend money and pay VAT, I think it is an

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unfortunate way of presenting it. Mitt Romney said he had expressed

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himself inelegantly, we will file that under eye for inelegant.

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she is saying that public expenditure is unsustainable in

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Scotland, that is a good thing. This was very public, I don't think

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she could get away with it! Let's cross to the Conference and speak

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to the political editor of brats the magazine and the editor of the

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Spectator. The speech from George Osborne was sombre and serious,

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there was a muted response, was it the right speech for the moment?

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think he had to make a feel bad speech for two reasons, obviously

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you knew the IMF reports was coming and it would have looked odd to fly

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over Birmingham scattering �10 notes from a helicopter. But he is

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preparing for a year ahead which will be focused on a spending

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review, cutting billions from public spending, I think he is

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seeking positive agreement and warning people what is coming.

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Surprisingly, he resisted the temptation to say that things are

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tough but we will make them better. He was seeming to say that there is

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not much we can do, we will make things worse for some other be able.

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Fraser Nelson, how did that sentiment go down with the

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grassroots Tories? Lots of them would have liked to have heard a

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progress message, and George Osborne's main announcement of the

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rather peculiar employee share capital gains thing has lots of

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flaws which Michael just detailed, it did not have them skipping down

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the aisles in delight. George Osborne has no good news. If he had

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a serious announcement he would say that until December. He has a Pre-

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Budget Report. Normally everyone likes to light up the Conference

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with a big gismo but it is currently bear. Often people will

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feel they are heading for defeat because there has not been a

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recovery and there has not been a recovery because George Osborne

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could have done better with the growth strategy. There are no

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prospects. I suppose you could credit him with honesty? But it has

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been lit up by the arrival of the Mayor of London, Boris Johnson.

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There is a media mania around him, is that all it is or is he an does

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he pose a threat? I don't think it is just whipped up by the media. I

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think Boris is the perfect contemporary politician in some

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ways, a politician for a time when we hate politicians. He taps into

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the electoral bone that Nick Clegg did last time, we do not regard him

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as one of them, he gets away with things other politicians do not.

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Who else could get away with making jokes about the Soho sex industry

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and calling Michael Gove AJA cloth?! He has a sense of humour

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which is incredibly disarming and diffuses hostility. He is a massive

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consumer of oxygen at the conference, but I think we all know

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what happened to Cleggmania. What does it do to David -- to David

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Cameron and his standing? We have a strange dynamic, Cameron and Boris

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both admit the tension between them, Boris said the other day it is

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somehow good for the Conservatives because it stops people talking

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about Ed Miliband. It is a morale- booster, at least. You should see

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their faces in the hall, the audience reaction is more telling

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than Boris's speech, they are smiling as they queue, smiling as

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they listen, smiling as they are on their way out. Somebody has to give

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them a morale-booster. It is like a Shakespearean tragedy when you

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bring in a comic figure halfway through to cheer the audience, that

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is Boris's role. Cameron needs that to make the Conference a success. I

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don't think anyone could look at this beach and say he was sticking

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a knife into Cameron. It was good, it did what it had two and David

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Cameron after smiling like everyone else. It must have lifted all the

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spirits. What about the response to Ed Miliband? Have they answered the

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One nation slogan, an attempt by Ed Miliband to move onto the centre

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ground or to move the centre to the left? Both parties now say they are

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formally on the centre line and you cannot move for mentions of one

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nation here. They don't agree about where the centre ground is, Labour

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thinks it has shifted left and the Tories think it is to the right.

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What we saw from Boris was a response in terms of... Are not

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going on endlessly but talking about the bread and butter issues

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which most of the people are interested in. Thank you both.

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It is David Cameron's birthday! # Happy birthday to you!

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So we have prepared a birthday quiz. The question for the day is what

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has Samantha Cameron promised the Is it a game for his iPad, a curry

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dinner, a night out with Herman van Rompuy, that is what I have always

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wanted, or a Boris Johnson voodoo I think I know the answer!

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Now, it is not about him. He doesn't want to be Prime Minister

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and all the attention is bad for his ego. Who am I talking about? No,

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not not Simon Cowell, you numpties, Boris Johnson, of course. Do the

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Tory faithful really want BoJo as their next leader. Only one man,

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our Adam, has the balls to find out. There is no indication David

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Cameron is going anywhere, if the Tories did need a new leader who

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would they turn to Boris or anyone but Boris? Probably Boris.

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Why? Because he has a great personality and people like him.

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Great. Our first Boris fan. It has got to be Boris. He is very

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popular. Fair enough. He did do that thing

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about Hillsborough, the article about Hillsborough. It would have

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to be anyone, but. Boris Boris's past is coming back

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to haunt him. He is not a statesman, he is a

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fabulous person for the party, but I can't see him being a statesman.

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He has got everything. He has got honesty. He makes us all happy. Yes,

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Boris. Thank you very much.

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The vodka party is on Tuesday evening.

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That old ambassador's trick. I must practise... I must practise

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my Boris more. He is not actually Russian, is he Turkish? Yes, he is

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Turkish actually. You have got similar hair to him.

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Are you part of the family? I could I am a fan, but it is not anyone,

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but Boris. Future leader? Someone else.

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I would vote for Grant. If it were between Boris and anyone else,

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Boris or anyone but Boris, I would back Boris. Boris or anyone but.

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She doesn't like Boris. I love Well, I just popped into the

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exhibition hall because I hear somebody has stolen our idea. Look

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at this! Oh well, back to the less exciting

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balls. Who do you have as a future leader, but Boris or anyone but?

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All I can say is that Boris is a wonderful man to work for and I

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enjoy what I do for him enormously. Well, Boris, you have got a fair

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few detractors, but the majority of people are happy to have you as the

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future leader of the party if anything should happen to David

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Cameron! I think you are cheeky and

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troublesome and just appealing to people's nature by doing this. It

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is very entertaining, but I bet you haven't had one MP put anything in

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there. You would be surprised. That's the

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best review I have ever had. should be very flattered.

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"Cheek Y and troublesome" some of us live for reviews like that.

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Boris has been speaking to the conference this morning. Let's get

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a flavour. You showed that we can overcome a

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Labour lead and win even in places which Ed and the two Eds are so

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cocky as to think they own. If we can win in the middle of a

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recession and wipe out a 17 point Labour lead then I know that David

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Cameron will win in 2015 when the economy...

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APPLAUSE Where is Dave? There. There you are,

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Dave. I know that Dave will win in 2015 when the economy has turned

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around and we are already seeing signs of progress. When people are

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benefiting from jobs and growth and the firm leadership you have shown,

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the tough decisions you have taken. Happy birthday by the way. Happy

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birthday by the way. APPLAUSE

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I was pleased to see that you have called me a blond haired mop in the

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pages - well a mop is what I am. Well, if I am a mop, Dave, you are

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a broom, a broom that's that's cleaning up the mess left by the

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Labour Government. I con I congratulate you and your

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colleagues and your colleagues George Osborne, the dustpan and

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Michael Gove the jay cloth and William Hague the sponge. But it is

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the function of Conservative Governments to be the household

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instruments to clear things up after the Labour binge has got out

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of control. Well, it is only fitting that the

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Brillo pad should interview the Mayor of London, Boris Johnson.

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I thought we would be helpful and allow you to to clear up a few

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things. Let me begin. Go on. Do you rule outstanding for

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Parliament before the end of your term as London mayor in 2016?

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As I've said many times since the election and many times before the

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election, the job of mayor is an engrossing one. It is the most

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wonderful job in British politics and London has elected me for four

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years to deliver jobs and growth, to do everything I can to get the

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city growing again and growing strongly and keep fighting crime

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and deliver my manifesto. I had a nine point plan I'm going to

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deliver. It is going to take four years, plus we have got to get the

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benefits from the Olympic investment.

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So do you rule outstanding for Parliament?

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Yes. It goes without saying that it is not possible to do, you know, I

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have got to sell the people of London.

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If any Tory constituency approached you to be their candidate before

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2016, the answer from you would be a categorical no? I think your

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chances Andrew, which have always been excellent in my view of being

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approached by a Tory constituency as their potential saviour are

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better than mine. OK. It is not going to happen.

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But... The you were chairman of the Scottish young Conservatives.

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No, you were wrong, but you have been wrong several times on that.

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Coming back to my question... always makes me cross... Can I just

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be clear if a Tory constituency approaches you between now and 2016,

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to stand to be their candidate, your answer is a categorical no?

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is and I've said that before and I have got a wonderful job to do and

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I want to do it. When you seize to be London mayor

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in 2016, will you run again for Parliament? Well, by that stage it

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is really very difficult to say what I will be doing and what I

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want. So three or four years time, that's a long time in politics.

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What I I want to do and Ken Clarke for all his sort of slightly

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intestimony pratt language made a good point about things that are

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needed in in London. People want to see crime being brought down. They

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want to see jobs and growth and that's what I want to do.

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OK. You say you are, these are your words, "Healthy competition with Mr

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Cameron." What are you competing with him about?

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I thought those were his words, but anyway, I think the point is the

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difference is not important. What matters is the public don't feel

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that I am just going to sit on my hands if there is something

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important that London needs to get done or some important interest of

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the city that I need to get across even if it means that the plaster

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comes off the ceiling in Downing Street or elsewhere across

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Whitehall. There are controversial proposals that we have seen for

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mansion taxes from the Lib Dems, extra wealth taxes which would

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affect London and Londoners. We have got a real problem now with

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aviation capacity. I want to push ahead with solving that problem in

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particular. There will be arguments inevitably for any Mayor of Any

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great city is going to have with the Government in charge and I

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wouldn't wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't put those points across

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as forcefully as I can. The best thing for - the point I always make

:25:17.:25:22.

here, is the best thing for the UK economy as a whole is to invest in

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London. Build more homes in London. Invest in London Transport and you

:25:27.:25:31.

will drive the rest of the UK economy.

:25:31.:25:38.

Do you support an in/out referendum on Europe now?

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I see no particular reason to have an in/out referendum now. What I

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certainly think you cannot do is go forward to amendments to the EU

:25:51.:25:57.

fundamental constitution to the, to create a fiscal union as it is

:25:57.:26:01.

loosely called using the Brussels institution, the commission, the

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Luxembourg court, the Parliament, using those institutions which are

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held in common without putting that reform to the people of this

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country. We cannot go ahead in my view to a political fiscal union in

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Europe without that being remitted for proper public debate and a

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proper vote in this country. That's what I support.

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So what should the choice be? Should it be, "Here is a new

:26:25.:26:28.

settlement we have negotiated with Europe? You can have that are you

:26:28.:26:34.

can leave Europe?" What would the choice be? Well, what I would like

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to see - it depends what, where we are at. What I would certainly

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advocate is a no vote to further moves to fiscal integration, Andrew

:26:46.:26:50.

because I don't think... understand that. I don't think

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those are sensible and you will appreciate that point. I think if

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if following that, following that it may very well be that people say,

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"Well, what is the British relationship with the EU?" Where do

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we really stand? At that stage I certainly think that it would be a

:27:07.:27:11.

good thing to have a systematic repatriation of some powers and

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there is no earthly reason why that cannot be done. There are all sorts

:27:16.:27:22.

of variable ge om tee that abouts been set-up over the years within

:27:22.:27:25.

the wider European area. There is no reason why Britain shouldn't

:27:25.:27:29.

benefit from a new relationship. Do you support a cut in the top

:27:29.:27:35.

rate of tax to 40% now? Well, I think it is politically

:27:35.:27:40.

very difficult to deliver now and I understand the objection that are

:27:40.:27:44.

raised by everybody and I can see that it would not be easy at a time

:27:44.:27:50.

when people are suffering, when you are trying to cut welfare bills and

:27:50.:27:54.

cut welfare schemes and all the rest of it. That is absolutely

:27:54.:27:58.

plain. But would you still like to do it?

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Let me, what you can't do endlessly is allow Britain to be competing

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with one hand tied behind our back compared to other tax jurisdictions

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which are extremely challenging for us at the moment. They are going

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ahead with all sorts of things that we are not able to go ahead with

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and I don't want to see us charging more in tax than all our main

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rivals. Why should we pay more tax in Britain than in France, than in

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Germany, Switzerland, I think even in Italy? We are starting to get to

:28:38.:28:42.

a situation where we tax uncompetitive and that really needs

:28:42.:28:46.

to be addressed and it is a difficult argument. I accept that

:28:46.:28:49.

people won't like to hear, but it has got to be made. Again, that's

:28:49.:28:53.

the kind of point that you have got to make as Mayor of London that

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isn't necessarily welcome in Number Ten.

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Do you agree with the ring-fencing of the big London banks to separate

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retail from investment banking? Well, there are, what I'm generally

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opposed to are measures that are taken, unilaterally and you would

:29:16.:29:22.

have to look at the detail of whatever Vickers is suggesting. I

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am opposed to measures that disadvantage UK financial services.

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Is that what ring-fencing does? have we have being going through a

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long period of bashing financial services. Two million people work

:29:38.:29:41.

in business and financial services around this country. It is a huge,

:29:41.:29:48.

huge proportion of the economy and we can't endlessly keep bashing it

:29:48.:29:52.

for political reasons. I would be wary of measures that shoot

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ourselves in the foot and aren't replicated across-the-board.

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Do you agree as a good Tory that even as defence spending is being

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axed, spending on foreign aid should be rising by billions?

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You know, I don't, I am not responsible for either of these

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budgets, but what I would say... Well, you are not responsible for

:30:15.:30:20.

the 40% tax? London is a city of huge range of people's

:30:20.:30:23.

nationalities, 300 languages spoken in our city, many of them, of

:30:23.:30:28.

course, have contact... What's the answer to the question?

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With people around the world and I do think that it is important that

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we do what we can to give people in the developing world access to

:30:38.:30:44.

hygiene, sanitation. I understand that. Should we be

:30:44.:30:50.

adding billions to foreign aid when defence is being cut. I will ask

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again, should we be adding billions to foreign aid when defence is

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On defence spending, you could argue the toss on each individual

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line. I'm asking for the principle. I'm in the convinced it should be

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sacrosanct and you need to spend money on this or that but on

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overseas aid, I think you are making a poll emical comparison. On

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overseas aid, I think there is an argument. You should look at how

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the money is spent. I don't want to see money being taken from poor

:31:28.:31:31.

people in rich countries and Given to rich people in poor countries.

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wanted a yes or no. It was a complicated question, if I may say

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so. I thought it was simple. Maybe foreign aid wasn't top of the

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ageneral d at Eton. Should David Cameron have sacked Andrew

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Mitchell? I say! Say it again. Should David Cameron have sacked

:31:49.:31:54.

Andrew Mitchell? I think that was a matter for the Prime Minister.

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know that, but what is your view? Between him and Mr Mitchell. He has

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plainly apologised and cleared the matter up. Frankly, that story went

:32:05.:32:09.

on for quite long enough. Should very been fired? If one of your top

:32:09.:32:14.

people have done it, would you have fired them? Well, you know, I don't

:32:14.:32:18.

propose, with the best will in the world to get dragged back into a

:32:18.:32:21.

story that I have already commented on extensively. I have said before,

:32:21.:32:24.

I don't think it is right to insult police officers. I think people

:32:24.:32:30.

should be arrested for it. understand that. That wasn't what I

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was asking. It is a free country. didn't have the opportunity to

:32:34.:32:37.

interrogate Mr Mitchell myself. That was something the Prime

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Minister did. It is a free country, if you don't want to answer the

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question, you don't have to. Let me move on. What has been the toughest

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decision you have taken as London Mayor? There have been several

:32:50.:32:56.

difficult decisions, but I suppose I would single out the decision to

:32:56.:33:00.

ask the Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police service to

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think about what else he could do and to give others the chance for a

:33:05.:33:08.

new leadership at the Met. There are all sorts of difficult

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decisions you have to take. doesn't sound that tough, does it?

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I think, as my owe pon sent never tired of pointing out during the

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election campaign -- opponent, I have been owe bliedged to take

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tough decisions on the cost of transport -- have been obliged.

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asked for the toughest. There you go. Thank you for that. When you

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are at the centre of the media circus as you are and have been in

:33:40.:33:50.
:33:50.:33:54.

Birmingham, who is it that whispers in your ear, momento mori? Memento.

:33:54.:34:00.

We never knew how the Latins pronounced it. Who puts in your ear

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that you are plainly mortal? Look, there are plenty of people to make

:34:04.:34:10.

that point. Who? I go back to what I have been saying. Abundant people

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in this very conference. Who? you know, all these people standing

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around me. I think most don't know Latin. Let me move on. For the

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aindividualance of doubt - -- aindividualance of doubt - after

:34:27.:34:30.

you have been Prime Minister of Britain, do you rule out being the

:34:30.:34:34.

President of the United States? -- avoidance of doubtment Andrew this

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is getting beyond satire. You don't rule it out? No, but you are asking

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me... You could be, you were born an American. My chances of becoming

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Prime Minister are as I always say - about as good as me being

:34:51.:34:56.

reincarnated as ang olive. My chances of being the President of

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the United States after being Prime Minister, I think, you know, no

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better than yours, let me put it that way and probably considerably

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worse. Constitutionly I couldn't run as President since unlike you I

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wasn't born in the United States. You could get a green card. Stop

:35:13.:35:17.

filly bustering again. The most important question of the day -

:35:17.:35:21.

what have you bought David Cameron for his birthday? Well, I think the

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most important thing that any of us here can do is just to point out

:35:25.:35:29.

that this is the right Government for this country... No, what have

:35:29.:35:33.

you bought him? They are going in the right direction. What have you

:35:33.:35:38.

bought him, Boris? What have I... I think I hope you will - I don't

:35:38.:35:42.

know whether you had a chance to watch what I had to say, I was able

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it wish him a happy birthday and a hope for many years in office to

:35:46.:35:52.

come. I haven't yet lashed out on a present that's bus like you...

:35:52.:35:56.

you telling the people of Britain, Mr Mayor, that you have not bought

:35:56.:36:01.

the Prime Minister a birthday present? Is austerity so bad?

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Andrew, I will if you will. I'm not allowed. Wait. I tell you what, I

:36:07.:36:11.

did give him a present, it popped fortuitously into my head. I was

:36:11.:36:16.

able to give him a preb. I will send you won as well, Johnson's

:36:16.:36:21.

Life of London available in all good bookshops, a fantastic read

:36:21.:36:29.

which I'm sure you will enjoy. Now out in paperback. Excellent. I have

:36:29.:36:35.

always regarded you as a modern Bosswell with a funny accent. Thank

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you very much. We will now work out how many questions you answered.

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They were very difficult. That's what I got paid for. The last time

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I looked you got paid to answer them. Whether you did is another

:36:48.:36:53.

question I did my best. It is always interesting to interview the

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mayor, isn't it? How many did he answer? I thought he did pretty

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well, actually. You obviously spent the entire morning thinking of all

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the beastly questions you could ask him. The point is... The point is

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that he comes across as completely authentic, which is why he is so

:37:10.:37:13.

popular in the conference. He doesn't hedge about. He answered

:37:13.:37:18.

your questions as well as he could. Well if he has got ambitions beyond

:37:18.:37:21.

being Mayor of London, will he not have to - he will have to learn to

:37:21.:37:26.

do more interviews like that, which I know we had a bit of fun at the

:37:26.:37:31.

end, but the stem of the interview was on serious issues, and he will

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have to learn to answer them seriously as well. And I think he -

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I thought he did that brilliantly. He was amusing and then when we

:37:40.:37:44.

came to the serious questions like Europe and so on, he gave you a

:37:44.:37:49.

very clear idea of what was required. Really, what did he say?

:37:49.:37:54.

He said that... He didn't want in and out. He didn't want in and out

:37:54.:37:57.

referendum. But if there was going to be a federal Europe that the

:37:57.:38:00.

British people had the right to have a say on whether they wanted

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to be part of that and that the Government had to look to bring

:38:04.:38:07.

some powers back from Brussels. British people won't be asked if

:38:07.:38:09.

they are going to be part of a federal Europe. The Government will

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try to do a new deal which will be different from a federal Europe. So

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what will the question then be: we have a new deal, we have a new

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arrangement, a more arm's length arrangement with a federal Europe,

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so we could have that or we could leave, isn't that the question? Or

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could we have that and be a full federal union, what is the answer?

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Well I agree with that. I agree with that. I think you have to have

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a renegotiation. It is that or it is out. I think if you are

:38:39.:38:44.

negotiating, the people on the other side need to know that's the

:38:44.:38:46.

alternative. That's not where the Government is. I got a strong

:38:46.:38:50.

impression he is not in favour of the Government policy of ring-

:38:50.:38:54.

fencing the retail operation of the banks from the investment or what

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the politicians sneer at, the casino element. I think that's one

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of his strengths. Did you get that impression Yes. I think he said he

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doesn't want to let the City of London be disadvantaged compared to

:39:11.:39:16.

other competitors. I think it is brave of him to say that and I

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think it is because he says things like that, that they like him. I

:39:20.:39:25.

call it the Blair system, it went through the system, when politics

:39:25.:39:31.

are what people want it hear and people say that. He doesn't do that.

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He does it in an amusing and an easy manner. During the elections

:39:36.:39:40.

for the GLC a youngster said to me - are you going to vote for Boris

:39:40.:39:45.

Johnson. I said "Of course I am he is a Conservative." He said, "Oh my

:39:45.:39:51.

God is he a Conservative as well, that's marvellous." Could you see

:39:51.:39:56.

him as Prime Minister? Yes, I could. So you could see him as the next

:39:56.:39:59.

leader of your party Well if we lost the election, it is a

:39:59.:40:03.

possibility. Do you believe him when he says he won't run for

:40:03.:40:07.

Parliament before his term as mayor ends? I think he was right to say

:40:07.:40:14.

that three years is a very long time away. It doesn't the most

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categorical reply I had. It was the only reply he could give you, if he

:40:18.:40:23.

had any sense at all. All right. Thank you to that. Are you Are you

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looking forward to your book? will see if it is that or another

:40:26.:40:29.

broken promise from the mayor. Later this afternoon the Justice

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Secretary, Chris Grayling, will announce that home owners in

:40:32.:40:36.

England and Wales, who attack burglars will not face arrest or

:40:36.:40:39.

prosecution unless they use grossly disproportionate violence. I

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managed to speak to Mr Grayling earlier and began by asking the law

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needed to be changed? We keep getting this debate each time an

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incident happens.Er if tune ately they are not that common but they

:40:52.:40:55.

do happen from time to time. Each time they happen we have this

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debate about the law all over again. The current test is, is your

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behaviour reasonable? I want to raise the bar, in recognition of

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the fact that people do hit out in high pressure situation and that

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the law needs to, I think, treat people who are in that position, as

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the victims of crime, not the perpetrators of crime. What happens

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all too often is they are arrested and put in the police cell and

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there is a lengthy debate about whether they should be charged or

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not. I think from moment one people should act that unless they act in

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way that's grossly disproportionate, the law should be on their side.

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You say they are prosecuted and put in jails. What are the numbers? How

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many people have been prosecuted and put in jail for using

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disproportionate force? Over the years, thankfully, these cases are

:41:44.:41:50.

rare. You do get people going to trial, and getting sent to jail and

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then released because the courts decided they should not have been

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put in jail. But I think the spopbt that people who face an intruder in

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their homes are victims not perpetrators of crime. There is a

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debate about prosecuting them, they may be brought before the courts

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and acquitted but the point is to raise the bar so that the natural

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assumption in the Criminal Justice System is that the law is on their

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side, unless they act in a way that's grossly disproportionate.

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For example if the burglar is out cold in the kitchen floor and you

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get a knife and carry on stabbing them, that would be grossly

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disproportionate. Short of that I want people to feel confident they

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have trite protect themselves in their homes. But the law according

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to Lord Chief Justice and Ken Clarke would, cover for that. The

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Lord Chief Justice said "You can phrase it in different way bus the

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reality is that the householder is entitled to use reasonable force to

:42:46.:42:49.

get rid of the burglar." Even if you set the bar higher, that will

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still be the same? I have talk to the Lord Chief Justice about this.

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I'm grate to him for the comments made. A strong signal coming from

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the judges is a big help. He says you don't need to change the law.

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What he said actually is that the householders' rights should be

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clear and strong. He said it is. I'm raising the bar, so there is no

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question about this any more. said yourself the numbers are very

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small about householders being prosecuted and sent to jail, it is

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not a big problem you have said that yourself. The Lord Chief

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Justice has made it clear that he is happy with the law as it stands.

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This is just about good headlines. The Lord Chief Justice didn't say

:43:29.:43:33.

he was happy about the law as it stands. What he said, is what they

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need as judges, is to send a strong message. That's right and proper.

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I'm saying, as a politician, is that I think we need to set the bar

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higher than it is at the moment, so there isn't a debate about whether

:43:46.:43:49.

someone's action were reasonable in the situation, and so they are not

:43:49.:43:53.

in a danger of being put in a police cell rather than being

:43:53.:43:58.

treated adds witnesses and victims to the crime I'm saying only in an

:43:58.:44:02.

event where the actions are grossly disproportionate, should there

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really be a debate about whether it was disproportionate or not.

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September 2008 there were two brothers who were convicted for

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chasing after an intruder and beating him with a cricket bat.

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Would you count than as "disproportionate force, but

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wouldn't be prosecuted under your suggestions?" Look, I'm not going

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to get into applying this principle to individual past cases. This is a

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past case. Why not? I don't think it would be sense I will. I'm

:44:32.:44:36.

looking to the future and saying we have had over the years numerous

:44:36.:44:39.

cases where there has been a significant debate about what is

:44:39.:44:43.

permissible and what is not under the law. Would that have been

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permisable, Chris Grayling? I'm not going to apply - because I didn't

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sit through that particular case, I don't know the exact circumstances.

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It wouldn't be right for me to say db this is exactly how the law

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would have applied in that case. -- thiss exactly how the law would

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have applied. I'm setting a bar which says to the police and

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prosecuting authorities, that the default should be that you are on

:45:07.:45:11.

the side of the householder, that the householder isn't charged,

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doesn't come before the courts, unless they use grossly

:45:14.:45:24.
:45:24.:45:27.

disproportional force in response He couldn't tell me how the law

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would be applied. I think each case has to be looked on its merits by

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the court and they have got to look at the circumstances and I'm

:45:35.:45:38.

looking forward to seeing the drafting for the legislation he

:45:38.:45:44.

proposes because I think it is very difficult to write down in

:45:44.:45:48.

legislation something which will cover the range of cases of which

:45:48.:45:52.

you gave examples. But he is following the sentiments of the

:45:52.:45:55.

country that people feel they should be able to act reasonably in

:45:55.:45:58.

their own homes, but the examples you gave of chasing somebody down

:45:58.:46:03.

the street with a baseball bat that is clearly not a reasonable way to

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behave. Under the law as he is suggesting

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that would be allowed. You would be allowed if you felt that was

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disproportionate, but not grossly disproportionate? The would have to

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say it would be disproportionate. What he is trying to do is send a

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signal so the judges will give guidance to the courts and that's

:46:25.:46:28.

sensible, but whether you can actually write it down in

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legislation, I think the principles are clear and have been clear for

:46:32.:46:33.

sometime now. Do you think it is headline

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grabbing? It certainly gets headlines.

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But not a lot more than that. The argument here is really the Lord

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Chief Justice is saying it won't change from what the law is now.

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Each case will be looked at individually, whatever Chris

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Grayling says and wherever he wants to set bar, it will not change

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anything? But I think if people are arrested because they acted

:46:53.:46:56.

reasonably in their own homes and put in the cells, that is

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unreasonable behaviour, but that's a matter for guidance rather than

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legislation. Thank you. The Government has planned to

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reform the NHS in England proved controversial and politically

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difficult and claimed the scalp of Andrew Lansley. Junt has been a--

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Jeremy Hunt has been addressing conference and we will speak to him

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shortly. This is what he had to say. So let me start by saying about

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Andrew Lansley's reforms. They are brave. They are right and they will

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make our NHS stronger. Andrew is here.

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APPLAUSE The centralised structures make it

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the fifth largest organisation in the world. Smaller than the Red

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Army, but bigger than the Indian railways. Conference, we will never

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meet the challenges we will face with over one million people trying

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to meet 1,000 targets to satisfy one Secretary of State sitting

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behind his desk in Whitehall. We know what happens when you do that,

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don't we? We had the perfect case study under Labour. 48-hour GP

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appointments targets, that made it harder, not easier, to see your GP.

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Billions wasted on NHS IT contracts. To believe in the NHS is to believe

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in its reform. Not my words, but those of Lord Darzi Labour Health

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Minister under Andy Burnham. Now he is in opposition, Mr Burnham sings

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a different tune. Let me try out a little quiz on you. Last week at

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the Labour Conference, Andy Burnham complained about foundation trusts

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setting their own employment conditions in the south-west. But

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guess who was Health Minister when the Act enthis Rhining those power

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got Royal Assent. Guess who was it? Andy Burnham. He went on to

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criticise private sector involvement in the NHS, but who was

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the Health Secretary who ensured that a private company would run a

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district general hospital for the very first time? Who was it? Andy

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Burnham. He railed against so- called cuts, but whilst we are

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increasing the NHS Budget by over �12 million, who was the Health

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Secretary who went into the last election saying it would be

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irresponsible to increase the NHS budget. Who was? Andy Burnham. The

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first rule of opposition, Andy Burnham, criticise what the new lot

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do, not what you do yourself. Jeremy Hunt joins us from

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Birmingham. Mr Hunt, a newly appointed minister said the

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Government had screwed up the presentation of the NHS reforms.

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What will you do differently? Well, I think I made it very clear.

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Good afternoon, Andrew, by the way. I made it clear in that speech that

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I am a very big supporter of Andrew Lansley's reforms. He will be seen

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as the architect of the modern NHS and I am a big supporter of them,

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but what we need to do, having had a debate about structures, is to

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talk about how those structures can deliver, improved outcomes for

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patients and what I was doing this morning was talking about some of

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the things the improvements in the way we look after people with

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dementia for example. The improvement in survival rates for

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cancer and other diseases where we are below the European average and

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those new structures will help help deliver improvements that people

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can see on the ground. So we are moving into a different phase now

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where we talk about what people can see changing in the service they

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get from the NHS. But the Chief Executive of the

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King's Fund told us in a year or two's time, the Health Service will

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do very well indeed just to maintain its current standards of

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patient care. So if we don't get your improvement, there will be no

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improvement on the presentation? Well, we have got to do both. The

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public want the NHS to deliver more and better, but they want it to

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maintain its current standards, but the King's Fund are right, we have

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the massive challenging of an ageing population as I mentioned in

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my speech, there are more more pensioners than children. We have

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two-thirds of the people who are getting consultant care in hospital

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are over the age of 65. That's a big challenge for the system. The

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reforms will help us, but we need do other things as well because we

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are living longer. It is good news, but that brings with it, a host of

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other really, really big challenges. But there are reports that one in

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ten accident and emergency areas are closing and labour wards are

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closing at that rate too. If that is happening, that is hardly going

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to help your presentation, is it? That's a presentational disaster.

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Well, there are parts of the country where local doctor groups

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are saying that they want to run services differently because they

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think they can get better outcomes for patients and we have a system

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that we test whether those changes will improve patient choice,

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whether there is good evidence to show they will improve mortality

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rates, whether there has been proper consultation, whether it is

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what local doctors want and then in certain cases if it is high-profile,

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it will end up on my desk and I will take independent advice about

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them. Those changes are parts of the system saying we want to do

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things better. It is not about cuts. We are putting �12 billion more

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into the NHS over this Parliament than the last Government did...

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that in real terms or nominal terms? Well, in real terms NHS

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spending is going up, but by a small amount.

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Yes. This is the point the King's Fund

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are making, the demand on the system is going up by 4% a year.

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Yes. That's because of the factors that we were talking about. So in

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order to stand still if you like we have to have productivity

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improvements of 4% a year and I think these new structures and

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reforms will help that, but I want to raise our standards, I think we

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should be the best in Europe for dementia care. So the fact is that

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your �12 billion of extra spending is a propaganda figure because it

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doesn't take into account inflation. This year health spending will be

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lucky to rise by 1% in real terms from �103.1 billion to �102.8

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billion. Next year, how much will health spending rise as planned

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next year in real terms? Well, what we have done... No, how much?

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no, no, let me answer your question if I may. You suggested it was

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propaganda. We have protected the NHS bug, Labour, Andy Burnham said

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that that it would be irresponsible to increase the spending in the NHS.

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We are increasing it, but effectively not by a huge amount,

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we are protecting the NHS budget and that is when the rest of

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Government spending overall, we are cutting spending by 19% across all

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Government departments. That is a huge commitment that this

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Government is making to the NHS because we know how much health

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matters to every family in the country. Mr Hunt under your

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Government's pro projections, health spending next year in real

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terms will rise by �60 million. �60 million on a budget of �103 billion.

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How much is that percentage wise? You are increasing the budget by

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0.05%. It is peanuts. In the context where there are

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public spending cuts in every other Government department, it is

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incredibly significant that in real terms this Government made a big,

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big choice to protect the NHS budget because we know how much it

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matters and you know... You said you would increase it every year?

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Well and we are increasing it by... By 0.5%. Well, I think

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You never told us that. The point that we are we are making

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is when we are having to make cuts when cuts across the world are

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having to make cuts in public spending, the one area we have

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taken a choice to protect is the NHS. That is because it matters to

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the British people. It means that other Government departments had to

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have deeper cuts and it is a choice that Labour wouldn't make. Indeed,

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in Wales, whether Labour run the show, they didn't make that choice

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and the NHS budget has been cut. If we're going to get the outcomes

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that I was going to talk about this morning, we are going to improve

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our survival rates from cancer, for example, from liver disease, from

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respiratory diseases then we need to show that commitment in the NHS,

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but we've done it because we think it is what people want.

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Wheng -- when you were the Sports Minister, you trained as a linesman

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and we have seen you doing that recently. Now that you are the

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Health Minister, what are you going to train as? You are are you going

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to try to be a brain surgeon? think that might ablittle bit

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optimistic. I don't know what you think. I agree with you.

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I will probably leave that one, but I am incredibly thrilled to to do

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the job I am doing and I want to throw myself into the NHS which is

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a fantastic system. I hope you come back. We had more

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questions, but we are sadly coming up to one o'clock. I hope you will

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come back and see us during the week or on a Sunday when when we

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can go through the health figures carefully.

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Did David Cameron do the right thing in promoting Jeremy Hunt to

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Health Secretary? He is a good communicator and he will deal with

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a difficult brief. The problem is that the demands in the Health

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Service are going to outstrip the resources and yes, you can make it

:57:01.:57:04.

more efficient, but we are going to have to look at other ways of

:57:04.:57:09.

bringing income into the NHS and I am afraid, I mean I have free

:57:09.:57:13.

prescriptions in Scotland. Why have I got free prescriptions? It is

:57:13.:57:18.

unaffordable and I think he has got a tough, tough job ahead of him.

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He was brought in to take the heat out of this issue after Andrew

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Lansley, putting through the ri forms -- reforms. Will he be able

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to do it? I thought he got off to a ropey start by starting an abortion

:57:32.:57:36.

about the abortion limits because that irritate his colleagues in the

:57:36.:57:43.

House of Commons. It over shadowed the preconference

:57:43.:57:46.

coverage. The Government is not intending to do anything about this.

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It was an unfortunate row. I think what he has to do, he has has to

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spell out what the priorities are in the Health Service and take

:57:55.:57:58.

people how it is as we have to on the economy. We have to level with

:57:58.:58:01.

people. You can't have all these things and at the same time not

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have any money. No. All right. Well, it is just

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time to find out the answer to our quiz. What has Sam Cam promised

:58:10.:58:20.

Dave for his birthday, a new iPad game, a curry, a night out with

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with Herman Van Rompuy or voodoo doll? I think a curry.

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Certainly not the night out with Herman Van Rompuy!

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Thank you. Thank you for being with us today.

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Thank you to our guests, the One O'Clock News is starting now on BBC

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One, but remember today at conference tonight with James

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Landale. That's after Newsnight. Tomorrow, we are on at 11am. It is

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