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Welcome to the Daily Politics. The top story today: After her high- | :00:43. | :00:47. | |
octane argument over an independent Scotland, and whether it would need | :00:47. | :00:51. | |
to apply for membership of the EU, the leaders of the Yes campaign and | :00:51. | :00:55. | |
the No campaign debated for the first time. Ed Miliband says | :00:55. | :00:59. | |
everybody in Britain should be able to speak English, and that it | :00:59. | :01:02. | |
should be a requirement in key professions. We will have details | :01:02. | :01:07. | |
of his speech on social integration. We will ask the Health Minister who | :01:07. | :01:11. | |
is rolling out budgets for personal health budgeting across England | :01:11. | :01:16. | |
what it means for patients. As part of our regular look at Europe, we | :01:16. | :01:21. | |
have sent a monoglot to find out how the EU communicate. English, | :01:21. | :01:31. | |
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French, Italian, Spanish, The multilingual programme that we | :01:34. | :01:40. | |
are. All that in the next hour. With me is Martin Sorrell, he runs | :01:40. | :01:44. | |
the advertising giant WPP and is the long-standing chief executive | :01:45. | :01:50. | |
in the FTSE 100. Sitting at the moment. Take the weight off your | :01:50. | :01:55. | |
feet. Let's start by speaking about Ed Miliband's later speech on | :01:55. | :02:00. | |
immigration. Earlier this year, he said his party had got it wrong by | :02:00. | :02:03. | |
not restricting the flow of migrants from Eastern Europe in | :02:03. | :02:07. | |
2004. This morning, he is saying too little has been done to | :02:07. | :02:11. | |
integrate those who settled in British society. The speech comes a | :02:11. | :02:14. | |
few days after the census showed that fewer than half the people | :02:14. | :02:24. | |
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We were at the nearby college just now, particularly the women that we | :02:29. | :02:33. | |
met there were speaking about how important it was to learn English, | :02:33. | :02:37. | |
because it gave them not only the ability to help their children, get | :02:37. | :02:41. | |
into work, but also be part of our society. That is what language | :02:41. | :02:46. | |
gives you, that is why it is so important. If we're going to be one | :02:46. | :02:50. | |
nation, which I believe in, we should have the goal that everyone | :02:50. | :02:54. | |
in the society we have should speak English. We should expect that of | :02:54. | :03:01. | |
people who come here. Before we get on to that, let speak about the | :03:01. | :03:07. | |
figures. Between 1997 and 2010, net migration totalled more than 2.2 | :03:07. | :03:14. | |
million people. Was that too much? Personal view, not corporate view, | :03:14. | :03:19. | |
I don't think it can never be too much. Immigrants provide a lot of | :03:19. | :03:27. | |
resources, thought, entrepreneurial vigour, enthusiasm and creative | :03:27. | :03:32. | |
perversity. My grandparents came here from Russia in 1899. They | :03:32. | :03:37. | |
could not speak a word of English. I would not be here if it was not | :03:37. | :03:45. | |
for them. I think you can never have too much diversity in a | :03:45. | :03:48. | |
country. One of the things that troubles me is when we get into | :03:48. | :03:53. | |
these issues about the EU, some of the arguments made about the use | :03:53. | :03:58. | |
there is too much immigration, and implicitly there is an extreme | :03:58. | :04:02. | |
right-wing bias against immigration. It comes into the debate in a | :04:02. | :04:09. | |
subtle way, but I think immigration is extremely important. At the | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
moment, we don't have enough foreign students. We have foreign | :04:13. | :04:19. | |
students who come here, are educated here and go away. We had | :04:19. | :04:22. | |
certain sectors of the economy where we cannot get enough skilled | :04:22. | :04:28. | |
labour. What about controlling it? Even Ed Miliband is saying they | :04:28. | :04:32. | |
should have been harder on illegal immigrants, clamping down on the | :04:32. | :04:37. | |
floor. I'm right in saying we do not know the number of illegal | :04:37. | :04:44. | |
immigrants. We don't control it effectively. I would agree on that. | :04:44. | :04:48. | |
Then there is the question about hurdles. The system currently in | :04:48. | :04:52. | |
effect would have stopped my grandparents from coming, so I | :04:52. | :04:56. | |
would have a vested bias against that. You have to be extremely | :04:56. | :05:00. | |
careful about the legislation. On the language skills that he raised, | :05:00. | :05:04. | |
it is not just English. One of the problems the British had, they are | :05:05. | :05:10. | |
not very good at languages at all. It is not just learning English, | :05:10. | :05:17. | |
because the Chinese have the highest English-speaking population | :05:17. | :05:22. | |
in the world, over 300 million. It is about, a German, Spanish, | :05:22. | :05:30. | |
Italian... Yesterday, George Osborne told MPs on the Treasury | :05:30. | :05:35. | |
Select Committee what starring role he had in the school nativity play. | :05:35. | :05:42. | |
Did he play and Shepherd, a wise man, a donkey or the triangle? | :05:42. | :05:48. | |
Later in the show, Martin Sorrell will give us the correct answer. If | :05:48. | :05:52. | |
you're watching the Daily Politics last week, you will have seen | :05:52. | :05:55. | |
Andrew speaking to Michael Moore about the question whether an | :05:55. | :05:58. | |
independent Scotland would automatically stay in the European | :05:58. | :06:04. | |
Union. It is a crucial question, and this week, Jose Manuel Barroso | :06:04. | :06:08. | |
confirmed it is his view that if Scotland votes for independence in | :06:08. | :06:13. | |
2014, it would need to reapply for EU membership. The SNP strongly | :06:13. | :06:18. | |
disagree. Yesterday, Nicola Sturgeon made a statement in the | :06:18. | :06:24. | |
Scottish Parliament on the issue. Here is a flavour of that debate. | :06:24. | :06:28. | |
The European Commission, however important, is not the final arbiter | :06:28. | :06:32. | |
of these matters. Jose Manuel Barroso's statements do not | :06:32. | :06:37. | |
constitute a ruling, as some have suggested, nor does the commission | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
even claim to be specifically addressing the specific situation | :06:40. | :06:44. | |
of Scotland. The president of the Commission made clear in his letter | :06:44. | :06:48. | |
to the House of Lords committee that the European Commission has | :06:48. | :06:53. | |
expressed its views in general. thank the Deputy First Minister for | :06:53. | :06:58. | |
prior sight of her statement, it is a triumph of optimism and | :06:59. | :07:01. | |
evasiveness over hard-headed reality, because it poses more | :07:01. | :07:06. | |
questions than it answers. She says the process of negotiating the | :07:06. | :07:11. | |
place in Europe will take 18 months. How is that possible in the fastest | :07:11. | :07:19. | |
ever process took three years? Does she even know if she will be | :07:19. | :07:24. | |
granted a meeting with Jose Manuel Barroso? His Annabel Goldie or | :07:24. | :07:28. | |
anyone in this chamber seriously saying that Scotland would find | :07:28. | :07:33. | |
itself ejected from the European Union? Oil-rich, renewable energy | :07:33. | :07:37. | |
right, fishing rights Scotland. If they arguing that, they should | :07:37. | :07:42. | |
stand up and argue that explicitly and they will be laughed out of the | :07:42. | :07:46. | |
chamber and laugh that across the country. They will deserve to be. | :07:46. | :07:49. | |
The statement answers the question I asked the first minister earlier, | :07:50. | :07:56. | |
does he expect all 27 member states to simply sign up to whatever the | :07:56. | :08:01. | |
Scottish Government demand? The answer seems to be yes, they do. It | :08:01. | :08:05. | |
seems to be she has a starry eyed belief that an independent Scotland | :08:05. | :08:09. | |
would never lose out in any negotiation ever for the rest of | :08:09. | :08:15. | |
time. Back in reality, can she answer Patricia Ferguson's | :08:15. | :08:21. | |
question? When does she plan to meet the 27 members of the European | :08:21. | :08:26. | |
Union to establish whether they agree? I look forward to engaging | :08:26. | :08:31. | |
with other member states, with the European Commission, if they will | :08:31. | :08:35. | |
engage with us, with the UK government. We will talk about the | :08:35. | :08:39. | |
arguments for Scotland being an independent country, because those | :08:39. | :08:45. | |
arguments are not as compelling, they are unanswerable. -- Not only | :08:45. | :08:50. | |
compelling. Nicola Sturgeon. We have been joined from Glasgow by | :08:50. | :08:59. | |
Blair Jenkins, chief executive of yes Scotland, and Alistair Darling. | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
Will Scotland need to reapply it for you membership? The key point | :09:03. | :09:07. | |
in all this is whether the negotiations on the continued | :09:07. | :09:10. | |
membership happens with Scotland being inside the European Union | :09:10. | :09:14. | |
were having to come out. We are confident that Scotland will be | :09:14. | :09:19. | |
negotiating terms and conditions as part of the European Union from a | :09:19. | :09:23. | |
position of continuing to be with them. It is not automatic, is it? | :09:23. | :09:27. | |
It will not be automatic that Scotland independently would become | :09:27. | :09:32. | |
a member of do you? It is a political rather than a legal issue. | :09:32. | :09:36. | |
There is no position for the citizens to stop being part of the | :09:36. | :09:41. | |
European Union. This will be a political issue. It is | :09:41. | :09:43. | |
inconceivable that those negotiations will take place | :09:43. | :09:51. | |
against any other framework and Scotland being part of the EU. | :09:51. | :09:56. | |
may be the case, but do you accept that the SNP has repeatedly said, | :09:56. | :10:01. | |
and certainly implied, that it would be automatic. There would be | :10:01. | :10:06. | |
no case for having to reapply? Now we discover that Jose Manuel | :10:06. | :10:09. | |
Barroso has said that new independent countries would have to | :10:09. | :10:13. | |
apply and it is not guaranteed. The SNP have given the impression that | :10:13. | :10:20. | |
it would be guaranteed. Jose Manuel Barroso has offered his opinion. | :10:20. | :10:25. | |
is pretty important, isn't he? Indeed, and I would not disagree. | :10:25. | :10:30. | |
It has always been said there would be negotiations. The Scottish | :10:30. | :10:32. | |
Government have always been clear that there would be negotiations | :10:32. | :10:36. | |
and that would be the case. Alistair Darling, it seems Blair | :10:36. | :10:40. | |
Jenkins has admitted there would be negotiations, not an automatic | :10:40. | :10:45. | |
entry, but to take Nicola Sturgeon's., why would anyone block | :10:45. | :10:53. | |
it? -- Nicola Sturgeon's opinion. We have always said it would have | :10:53. | :10:57. | |
to negotiate its position on matters like the currency, border | :10:57. | :11:03. | |
controls, rebate. For years, Nicola Sturgeon has said the membership of | :11:03. | :11:06. | |
the European Union would be automatic, she had a legal opinion | :11:06. | :11:10. | |
to back that up which turns out to be nonsense, there never was a | :11:10. | :11:15. | |
legal opinion. What we will get as a result of this is the uncertainty | :11:15. | :11:19. | |
that comes firstly in try to negotiate a break-up of the UK with | :11:19. | :11:24. | |
the rest of the UK, and secondly, the uncertainty that comes through | :11:24. | :11:29. | |
negotiations with the rest of the European Union. Finland, which is | :11:29. | :11:33. | |
an uncontroversial application, that took three years. We know some | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
member states who, for their own reasons, will want to make life | :11:37. | :11:41. | |
difficult because of their own internal difficulties. You have | :11:41. | :11:45. | |
years of uncertainty which is extremely damaging to businesses, | :11:45. | :11:50. | |
therefore to employment and jobs in Scotland. All this because the | :11:50. | :11:53. | |
nationalists sought to mislead people into believing that nothing | :11:53. | :11:57. | |
would change, it would be automatic, there was no risk to anything. We | :11:58. | :12:03. | |
now see the truth of it. The deceived us, we're now in a | :12:03. | :12:07. | |
position throwing ourselves at the mercy of 27 other countries and | :12:07. | :12:14. | |
nobody knows the outcome. campaign has deceived the | :12:14. | :12:18. | |
electorate and be misleading. don't think that is the case but I | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
think the question Alistair Darling needs to answer... Let's just | :12:22. | :12:28. | |
answer those accusations, he has said the whole campaign was based | :12:28. | :12:33. | |
on deception. I don't speak on the Scottish Government but I have been | :12:33. | :12:41. | |
saying all along this, and I have been clear. From the No campaign | :12:41. | :12:45. | |
perspective, it is he saying Scotland would need to leave the UK | :12:45. | :12:51. | |
and renegotiate? -- leave the European Union and renegotiate? | :12:51. | :12:55. | |
Does he agree that we would continue to be part and renegotiate | :12:55. | :13:00. | |
from within? Will you answer his question about years of | :13:00. | :13:03. | |
uncertainty? None of this is guaranteed, you have been | :13:03. | :13:09. | |
campaigning on a promise you cannot back up. You cannot guarantee it. | :13:09. | :13:14. | |
That is what has been said to the Scottish electorate. The SNP have | :13:14. | :13:19. | |
said we will remain part of do you, we will keep the sterling, we will | :13:19. | :13:24. | |
keep opting out, now the argument is, is anyone seriously saying the | :13:25. | :13:29. | |
European Union would not want Scotland as an independent member? | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
Nobody is seriously saying in Europe that Scotland will not be a | :13:32. | :13:37. | |
member of the EU. What about the years of uncertainty? Another | :13:37. | :13:41. | |
example is East Germany, when it read it -- when it reunited it | :13:42. | :13:46. | |
joined overnight. That was on the basis of 40 years of communist | :13:46. | :13:52. | |
dictatorship and East Germany conforming with none of this and | :13:52. | :13:57. | |
additions -- none of the conditions. If that can become part of the | :13:57. | :14:01. | |
European Union overnight, then Scotland with 40 years of | :14:01. | :14:03. | |
participation in accord with all the requirements would find itself | :14:03. | :14:11. | |
in a more difficult position, that is absurd. I don't think anyone | :14:11. | :14:15. | |
credibly in Scotland will be saying Scotland will not continue to be | :14:15. | :14:21. | |
members of the European Union. difference between me and the | :14:21. | :14:24. | |
campaign opposite is I have never argued something that is contest | :14:24. | :14:30. | |
the ball, I have never argued that Scotland could not get into the | :14:30. | :14:35. | |
European Union. I have always said there would be negotiations on key | :14:35. | :14:39. | |
issues like currency, border controls, the rebate. Take one | :14:39. | :14:45. | |
example, the rebate. It is no secret that the rest of the | :14:45. | :14:48. | |
European Union does not like the fact that the UK has a rebate, they | :14:48. | :14:52. | |
have always been trying to get rid of it. Do you think for one moment | :14:52. | :14:57. | |
that prevented with an opportunity to renegotiate -- presented with an | :14:57. | :15:02. | |
opportunity to renegotiate that, they would not take it? If you look | :15:02. | :15:05. | |
at the new members of the European Union, they have signed up to the | :15:05. | :15:10. | |
euro. I said earlier, one of the problems the nationalists have got, | :15:10. | :15:15. | |
they have two policies, negotiating with the European Union, the second | :15:15. | :15:18. | |
is we will have a currency union with the rest of the UK to keep the | :15:18. | :15:22. | |
pound, even though nobody is proposing to ask England, Wales and | :15:22. | :15:26. | |
Northern Ireland. How could you join a currency union when you | :15:26. | :15:31. | |
don't know whether you need to join the euro? The deceit here is that | :15:31. | :15:34. | |
for years the nationalists have said you do not need to worry about | :15:34. | :15:38. | |
this. Now the same people are saying we will get in overnight, it | :15:38. | :15:46. | |
is no problem. I cannot believe this because I do not believe | :15:46. | :15:51. | |
preparation has been done, Alex Salmond is nowhere to be seen. That | :15:51. | :15:57. | |
speaks volumes for the fact that the nationalists are in various | :15:57. | :16:02. | |
places. The problem is, Scotland will need to make the biggest | :16:02. | :16:07. | |
decision it has ever made, and it looks more like we are being sold a | :16:07. | :16:11. | |
one-way ticket to an uncertain destination, they are not sure | :16:11. | :16:17. | |
where they're going, and peopled might be wary of them. -- people | :16:17. | :16:24. | |
should now be. Why was this preparation not done before? Why is | :16:24. | :16:29. | |
Nicola Sturgeon only now writing to Jose Manuel Barroso? Why was legal | :16:29. | :16:32. | |
advice will be taken in October? Plenty of time to clarify these | :16:32. | :16:42. | |
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He made an important point. He used the word deceit. One of the | :16:47. | :16:50. | |
suggestions of the No campaign is the false assertion that Scollan | :16:51. | :16:58. | |
would be forced to join the euro. - - Scotland. That is untrue. I would | :16:58. | :17:04. | |
call him to withdraw that assertion. Do you withdraw that assertion? | :17:04. | :17:08. | |
What I said was that three of the issues that are going to confront | :17:08. | :17:13. | |
Scotland is whether we join the euro, passport control, and the | :17:13. | :17:18. | |
rebate. Nobody knows the outcome of these negotiations, least of all | :17:18. | :17:23. | |
the nationalists. Blair Jenkins will tell you that he doesn't know, | :17:23. | :17:30. | |
either. Up until now, everybody who is joining, the euro is there. It | :17:30. | :17:39. | |
is an article of political faith among speak European Union. It is | :17:39. | :17:42. | |
central. The uncertainty here, because we will not know, and the | :17:42. | :17:46. | |
idea that this can be sorted overnight - nothing in Europe is | :17:46. | :17:52. | |
sorted overnight - the idea is fanciful. The reason I used the | :17:52. | :17:58. | |
word deceit is, remember, Alex Salmond told us there was a legal | :17:58. | :18:02. | |
opinion. Nicola Sturgeon says she had a legal opinion. It turns out | :18:02. | :18:11. | |
that is not true. Why are you so certain that you | :18:11. | :18:14. | |
would not have to join the euro, or at least had a difficult and long | :18:15. | :18:23. | |
negotiations over not joining? It is clear that there has to be a | :18:23. | :18:31. | |
mechanism. Participation in the exchange-rate mechanism is | :18:31. | :18:36. | |
voluntary. There are a number of things being said which are | :18:36. | :18:40. | |
misleading. Some members of the campaign talk about border posts | :18:40. | :18:45. | |
and controls. This is part of trying to lay roadblocks in the way | :18:45. | :18:48. | |
of the Scottish people to prevent debate about what a future Scotland | :18:48. | :18:55. | |
could and should be. Where the debate is going to focus is that | :18:55. | :18:58. | |
there's one certainty by staying in the UK is that we will continue to | :18:58. | :19:03. | |
get governments that we did not vote for. Scottish people will | :19:03. | :19:06. | |
continue to live in fuel poverty in one of the most energy rich nations | :19:06. | :19:11. | |
in the world. That will focus the mind of Scottish people. | :19:11. | :19:17. | |
Blair Jenkins, thank you very much, and Alastair Darling, thank you. | :19:17. | :19:21. | |
The first of many debates among you, I'm sure. | :19:21. | :19:26. | |
What about a comment from you on this? Be careful what you wish for. | :19:26. | :19:30. | |
The devil is in the detail. Thinking through all these issues | :19:30. | :19:35. | |
at is something that the Independent movement has not | :19:35. | :19:40. | |
explored. That is because negotiations are | :19:40. | :19:45. | |
involved. Blair Jenkins has a point. The campaign has been criticised | :19:45. | :19:49. | |
for not doing preparation - these things are always up for | :19:49. | :19:56. | |
negotiation. If we have to renegotiate our bilateral | :19:56. | :20:00. | |
agreements, how long is that going to take? People are saying 10 years. | :20:00. | :20:08. | |
We will be going on forever, renegotiating our agreements. Half | :20:08. | :20:15. | |
of them go to the EU market. The point that Alastair Darling makes | :20:15. | :20:21. | |
about uncertainty is a good one. Faced with these uncertainties, | :20:21. | :20:24. | |
talking about Scottish independence or whether we are in or out of | :20:24. | :20:29. | |
Europe, it gives business, which is involved in long-range planning, | :20:29. | :20:33. | |
the heebie-jeebies. What they worry about his where they are going to | :20:33. | :20:37. | |
get the growth from. It is not coming from Western Europe now. We | :20:37. | :20:41. | |
are going to have to wait until 2018 or there for Europe to get its | :20:42. | :20:46. | |
act together. This is incremental uncertainty, which we don't need in | :20:46. | :20:50. | |
the UK or Europe. It is the time of year when we let | :20:50. | :20:53. | |
go of the purse-strings and try to forget how much we are spending on | :20:53. | :20:57. | |
presents. That is what retailers will be hoping for as a limb for a | :20:57. | :21:00. | |
much-needed boost in sales. It has been another year in which the | :21:00. | :21:05. | |
British economy has struggled. Are things looking brighter for 2013? | :21:05. | :21:09. | |
In last week's Autumn Statement, the Chancellor admitted that | :21:09. | :21:13. | |
because of sluggish growth, it was going to take an additional year to | :21:13. | :21:17. | |
eliminate the deficit and the Office of Budget Responsibility | :21:17. | :21:21. | |
said the economy would shrink by 0.1 % in the final three months of | :21:21. | :21:24. | |
this year. Some economists say we will return to recession. Spending | :21:24. | :21:31. | |
power has been hit, too. The latest figures show annual growth of 1.3% | :21:31. | :21:38. | |
in earnings. There's been more positive news on the jobs front. | :21:38. | :21:43. | |
The broad measure of unemployment fell by 80,000, the largest fall in | :21:43. | :21:53. | |
:21:53. | :21:57. | ||
a decade. Employment for 18-24 year olds went up by 55,000. Despite | :21:57. | :22:02. | |
this, the UK's Triple A status is under threat. It is a blow for the | :22:02. | :22:06. | |
Chancellor and his austerity measures. Let's discuss this with | :22:06. | :22:12. | |
Martin Sorrell. Let's pick up on the negative outlook for the Triple | :22:12. | :22:18. | |
A rating. Did George Osborne lay too much store by that rating? | :22:18. | :22:23. | |
He has fixed his course. He has put in place policies which please the | :22:23. | :22:26. | |
international markets. He has lowered the rate of borrowing for | :22:26. | :22:30. | |
the UK. It is not dissimilar to what we have seen in other | :22:30. | :22:35. | |
countries. Italy have done the same. This was needed to get us out of | :22:35. | :22:42. | |
the problems. We have seen other countries lose it, and does it | :22:42. | :22:49. | |
matter? No. Intuitively, I have a negative reaction. When you examine | :22:49. | :22:55. | |
it, maybe not so much. However, it is symbolic. It is not a position | :22:55. | :22:58. | |
the government wants to be in. The government pursued the right course | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
in the short term. Do you trust George Osborne to get | :23:02. | :23:09. | |
growth going? I think it will come. Because of the policies, or despite | :23:09. | :23:18. | |
then? Partly because of them. In America, they pursued expansion, | :23:18. | :23:28. | |
and Britain hasn't. Government spending has risen in nominal terms. | :23:28. | :23:32. | |
If you inflation at just, it may have fallen in real terms. -- | :23:32. | :23:42. | |
:23:42. | :23:42. | ||
adjust. The targets that were set, either in front or after the | :23:43. | :23:48. | |
election, were too strong. We have a last decade, and we are halfway | :23:48. | :23:55. | |
through it. We are going to have austerity until 2018. | :23:55. | :24:00. | |
Which is interesting, given the election in 2015. The coalition is | :24:00. | :24:07. | |
going into that, saying, we have continuing austerity. Not a recipe | :24:07. | :24:14. | |
that usually wins elections. Chancellor has pinned his figures | :24:14. | :24:20. | |
on closing tax loopholes. Is that a credible plan? We can argue that | :24:20. | :24:26. | |
some of it is one time as opposed to selling licences or assets. It | :24:26. | :24:29. | |
is a one-time adjustment. I actually think that if you look at | :24:29. | :24:34. | |
the Budget statements that George Osborne has made, given the lack of | :24:34. | :24:38. | |
wiggle room, it has been a highly creative. We have seen into | :24:38. | :24:45. | |
strutted changes, banks trying to stimulate small and medium-sized | :24:45. | :24:50. | |
companies, corporation tax. The fact is, there were excesses of an | :24:50. | :24:55. | |
extreme nature. We are over inflated the economy. That | :24:55. | :24:59. | |
correction is going to take a long time. There's no getting away from | :24:59. | :25:03. | |
that. Will it be worse next year, or | :25:03. | :25:08. | |
better? Looking at the project has for GDP, it should be about the | :25:08. | :25:17. | |
same. Ironically, it is forecast to be a bit better. Real GDP is meant | :25:17. | :25:25. | |
to be going up. Briefly, do you believe global companies like | :25:25. | :25:31. | |
Starbucks and Amazon have not been paying their fair share of tax? | :25:31. | :25:37. | |
We are getting into dangerous territory. Starbucks saying they | :25:37. | :25:40. | |
are going to pay corporation tax. They should have given the money to | :25:40. | :25:44. | |
apprenticeship schemes, for example, rather than say they are going to | :25:44. | :25:50. | |
pay minimal tax. The whole issue you have to be careful about. | :25:50. | :25:57. | |
Companies are extremely fluid and extremely mobile. The government | :25:58. | :26:02. | |
here, it's arrestingly, the coalition changed the policy. -- | :26:03. | :26:12. | |
interestingly. The government have now given some certainty. That is | :26:12. | :26:17. | |
what is needed. I have to say this. Companies can leave the country, a | :26:17. | :26:22. | |
tax point of view without leaving the country physically. We knew it | :26:22. | :26:26. | |
export your brand, you're leaving the country. | :26:26. | :26:31. | |
Is it morally right? We will come to that on another occasion. In two | :26:31. | :26:34. | |
years, if you suffer from a long- term condition in England, you will | :26:34. | :26:37. | |
have a right to take control of the money the NHS spends on the | :26:37. | :26:43. | |
treatment. It is seen as the Holy Grail in helping the NHS to deal | :26:43. | :26:47. | |
with spending cuts. A place where it has been tried out his | :26:47. | :26:52. | |
Northamptonshire. Adam has been to find out how it works. | :26:52. | :26:55. | |
Three years ago, Alex had a stroke that affected his sight and mental | :26:55. | :26:59. | |
health. A year ago, he was given control of the money the NHS spends | :26:59. | :27:07. | |
on him and he bought... Yes, a drum kit. It helps him with his | :27:07. | :27:12. | |
medication. Instead of going for weekly | :27:12. | :27:19. | |
physiotherapy, I go for a weekly jobless and. I tried -- drum lesson. | :27:19. | :27:25. | |
I try to make myself go. It is here, it is my multi-gym. It is not a | :27:25. | :27:29. | |
frivolous thing. It is very functional. | :27:29. | :27:33. | |
He is there at anything that the 37 patients on this scheme could not | :27:33. | :27:37. | |
get? The limit is that they have to have | :27:37. | :27:43. | |
a measurable health outcome, that they are going to make progress. | :27:43. | :27:47. | |
The only limits to what you can buy is you can't buy anything illegal, | :27:47. | :27:52. | |
you can't buy alcohol, you can't gamble. | :27:52. | :27:56. | |
Cheapies like Matthew help people decide how they to spend their | :27:56. | :28:04. | |
budgets. -- GPs. Many opted for non-traditional schemes. | :28:04. | :28:07. | |
We have got people are getting older, people with more complex | :28:07. | :28:12. | |
conditions. We have got more we can do for people at the moment. We | :28:12. | :28:17. | |
need to change the way we are doing things. The NHS can't cope with | :28:17. | :28:22. | |
this, going forward. Personalisation allows us to work | :28:22. | :28:26. | |
with patients more effectively. That is why the Department of | :28:26. | :28:29. | |
Health has decided to allow the scheme across England from 2014, | :28:29. | :28:33. | |
but only to those suffering long- term health conditions. It could | :28:33. | :28:37. | |
save around �90 million per year, but the real goal is to make ill | :28:37. | :28:42. | |
people feel better. It has given me a bit of a purpose | :28:42. | :28:47. | |
in life, rather than just joining the rest of the sheep, joining the | :28:47. | :28:54. | |
queue. I'm trying to do something about it myself. | :28:54. | :28:58. | |
Alex has also bought a Sat Nav with his money, because problems with | :28:58. | :29:06. | |
his memory 90 kept getting lost. -- meant he kept getting lost. The | :29:06. | :29:10. | |
debate is over whether this is a treatment or a treat. | :29:10. | :29:15. | |
We have been joined by the Lib Dem health minister, Norman Lamb. An | :29:15. | :29:20. | |
interesting idea, having watched the film. How do you sell it to the | :29:20. | :29:23. | |
public in a way that doesn't give the impression that this is a waste | :29:23. | :29:29. | |
of money, that money is going on holidays rather than medical | :29:30. | :29:32. | |
treatment? You just have to look at the | :29:32. | :29:38. | |
results. Alex's story is, I think, very powerful. This story is | :29:38. | :29:44. | |
matched by the evidence across the board. We are seeing a real | :29:44. | :29:51. | |
increase in people's sense of well- being. They are taking control. In | :29:51. | :29:57. | |
a way, this is a move from a paternalistic health service - we | :29:57. | :30:02. | |
know best - to a personal one, where the individual, in | :30:03. | :30:05. | |
collaboration with the help professional, works out what is | :30:05. | :30:08. | |
best for them. -- health professional. | :30:08. | :30:13. | |
I can see how it would increase well-being and people may like it. | :30:13. | :30:20. | |
Does it actually save money? It is a very important result if we can | :30:20. | :30:24. | |
improve people's well-being. That is what the health service should | :30:24. | :30:30. | |
be about! There is also evidence it can reduce hospital admissions. I | :30:30. | :30:35. | |
met a guy who was part of the pilot in Kent. His story was also a | :30:35. | :30:40. | |
powerful. He had been in and out of hospital constantly. Give him | :30:40. | :30:45. | |
control, give him the right to determine his priorities, helping | :30:46. | :30:50. | |
to self- care better, and actually, it resulted in a massive reduction | :30:50. | :30:54. | |
in his hospital admissions. So, a big improvement in his well-being | :30:54. | :31:00. | |
and a saving to the NHS. I repeat, I think this could be powerful. | :31:00. | :31:04. | |
Would you like to see it rolled out further? Who would access it? I | :31:04. | :31:10. | |
know this is a trial. But people on long-term illnesses, are they the | :31:10. | :31:20. | |
:31:20. | :31:21. | ||
only people who could access the We will start with those people. We | :31:21. | :31:28. | |
can make that work quickly. It can go beyond that. I am open-minded | :31:29. | :31:33. | |
about a very areas of health care, for example, mental health. -- | :31:33. | :31:41. | |
other areas. If there is any place where it really matters it is | :31:41. | :31:45. | |
mental health. It can have a massively positive effect. Even | :31:45. | :31:53. | |
with maternity, giving the power to the mother-to-be, to decide how the | :31:53. | :31:59. | |
money is best used, that could potentially be very effective. | :31:59. | :32:06. | |
Before you go, what you think? think it is a good idea. It gets | :32:06. | :32:10. | |
rid of the nanny state, and if you look at health care it is very | :32:10. | :32:17. | |
interesting. People diagnose themselves a lot. Is that safe? | :32:17. | :32:23. | |
have a control mechanism, the nurse and a GP. They need to approve or | :32:23. | :32:27. | |
recommend where the budget is spent. These are for people suffering | :32:27. | :32:33. | |
long-term injuries, the case studies will go the other way, but | :32:33. | :32:36. | |
it is really good. We speak at a happiness Index, this makes people | :32:37. | :32:41. | |
feel more in control of their destiny. That is what life is | :32:41. | :32:47. | |
increasingly about, with things like the Internet. If you do access | :32:47. | :32:53. | |
this money, �10,000, does that mean you will not be able to access | :32:53. | :32:57. | |
other services because you have had the money to deal with your | :32:57. | :33:04. | |
condition? No. Firstly, it is right that the care plan is agreed | :33:04. | :33:09. | |
between you and your GP, but if you need other care and support beyond | :33:09. | :33:14. | |
what the package has provided for you, you are not denied health care, | :33:14. | :33:19. | |
that would be ridiculous. This is about using the money that is | :33:19. | :33:23. | |
available for your condition much more effectively, and as a liberal, | :33:23. | :33:31. | |
I think this is a Liberal Health Service, it is very exciting. | :33:31. | :33:36. | |
is just time before you go to find out the answer to the quiz. The | :33:36. | :33:39. | |
question was, what starring role did George Osborne take in the | :33:39. | :33:44. | |
school nativity play? Was it a shepherd, a wise man, a donkey or | :33:44. | :33:50. | |
the triangle. I think he was probably the triangle. Did you know | :33:50. | :33:58. | |
that? It was a complete guess. are right. Coming up in a moment, | :33:58. | :34:03. | |
our monthly look at what has been going on in European politics, but | :34:03. | :34:07. | |
first it is time to say goodbye to Martin Sorrell. Thank you very much. | :34:08. | :34:12. | |
This week, members of the European Parliament have been meeting in | :34:12. | :34:16. | |
Strasbourg for their regular session. What have they been | :34:16. | :34:20. | |
getting up to? Here is our guide to the latest in Europe in just 60 | :34:20. | :34:30. | |
Which novel piece of Europe got a gong this week? The European Union | :34:30. | :34:34. | |
except that the Nobel Peace Prize for uniting the Continent after two | :34:34. | :34:39. | |
world wars. David Cameron was unable to attend leaving the | :34:39. | :34:42. | |
schmoozing to Nick Clegg. Jose Manuel Barroso and the SNP have | :34:42. | :34:47. | |
fallen out. Jose Manuel Barroso says it is obvious an independent | :34:47. | :34:55. | |
country would need to reapply for European Union membership. | :34:55. | :35:01. | |
Italian Prime Minister says he will resign, and Silvio Berlusconi has | :35:01. | :35:08. | |
withdrawn support. He will resign if they pass budget legislation. | :35:08. | :35:11. | |
Campaigners for a single seat for the European Parliament to double | :35:11. | :35:15. | |
as it was ruled that MEPs should continue meeting in Strasbourg once | :35:15. | :35:22. | |
a month. It took 40 years to event, but the European Union has | :35:22. | :35:32. | |
:35:32. | :35:32. | ||
introduced a new system that could For the next 30 minutes I have been | :35:32. | :35:40. | |
joined by Kay Swinburne and Claude Moraes. Let's look at the agreement | :35:40. | :35:46. | |
on a single patent for Europe. Sounds like a good idea. Why | :35:46. | :35:50. | |
shouldn't there just be one? Do you welcome it? I do, we have waited a | :35:50. | :35:55. | |
long time for this and it is really good news for lots of businesses. | :35:56. | :36:00. | |
One system across ball of the EU is perfectly placed to help us expand | :36:00. | :36:09. | |
in the market. -- across all the EU. Except, Italy and Spain are opting | :36:09. | :36:16. | |
out. They have special circumstances. Not everyone argues | :36:16. | :36:22. | |
that, it is extraordinary. I have been in the parliament since 1999, | :36:22. | :36:28. | |
I represent London, which probably has more innovators than anywhere. | :36:28. | :36:33. | |
They have been telling me this has been going since the 1970s. The | :36:33. | :36:37. | |
United States, Martin Sorrell was here earlier, competing with the | :36:37. | :36:41. | |
United States to get a unified patent that helps innovators. That | :36:41. | :36:45. | |
is an extraordinary jump forward for the single market, and it is | :36:45. | :36:50. | |
just the kind of thing we need to boost business. What costs are we | :36:50. | :36:56. | |
talking about? The United States is quoted as having a very low figure. | :36:56. | :37:00. | |
Is it really that much more expensive in do you? It is, because | :37:00. | :37:04. | |
you need to go through 27 different member states. If you consolidate | :37:04. | :37:09. | |
that, you would expect that to be 26 times less. It will not be quite | :37:09. | :37:17. | |
that big a difference, but it will be material. When you have a | :37:17. | :37:21. | |
dispute, you will have one court, one arbiter. That is critical for | :37:22. | :37:28. | |
businesses. They can go to one place to get this dispute. Part of | :37:28. | :37:33. | |
that structure will hopefully be in the UK, which is fantastic. And in | :37:33. | :37:39. | |
English. English will be part of it, part of the location will be in the | :37:39. | :37:43. | |
UK, that is a great victory. European Union leaders have been | :37:43. | :37:47. | |
meeting in Brussels to work out how better to supervise banks across | :37:47. | :37:50. | |
the eurozone. They have agreed the European Central Bank will become | :37:51. | :37:58. | |
the supervisor of the banking sector, beginning in 2014. Three | :37:58. | :38:02. | |
banks from each member state will fall under the regime. Smaller | :38:02. | :38:06. | |
banks will continue to be supervised by national regulators. | :38:06. | :38:09. | |
The measure is being seen as the first step towards full banking | :38:09. | :38:14. | |
union, with a single deposit guarantee Scheme and a mechanism to | :38:14. | :38:19. | |
wind up failing banks. Leaders have also been discussing co-operation | :38:19. | :38:25. | |
between European countries. The President has recommended a greater | :38:25. | :38:31. | |
fiscal union, including decision- making on national budget. After | :38:31. | :38:36. | |
the summit closed, David Cameron gave his views. There needs to be | :38:36. | :38:39. | |
flexibility in Europe, flexibility that respect the fact that there | :38:39. | :38:44. | |
are countries that do not want to and never will join the euro, so we | :38:44. | :38:50. | |
need to be flexible about how Europe develops. Also, I believe | :38:50. | :38:53. | |
that it will lead to opportunities for us in the UK to make changes in | :38:53. | :38:58. | |
our relationship with the European Union that will suit us better. The | :38:58. | :39:03. | |
British people will be more comfortable about that. We have | :39:03. | :39:11. | |
been joined from Brussels by Alex Barker. David Cameron and George | :39:11. | :39:15. | |
Osborne both say they are happy to get closer whilst Britain retains | :39:15. | :39:22. | |
influence on the periphery. How does it retain influence? Someone | :39:22. | :39:26. | |
once described to me that Britain's situation used to be in the fast | :39:26. | :39:30. | |
lane of Europe going slow, now it is in the slow low of Europe going | :39:30. | :39:35. | |
slow, and what David Cameron needs to do is find some changes to the | :39:35. | :39:41. | |
rules which allowed those two things to co-exist. He is keen on | :39:41. | :39:46. | |
the single market. He made progress in Europe by having majority rule | :39:46. | :39:52. | |
that basically over road people -- over rights protections their | :39:52. | :39:57. | |
economies would have. The trouble is that Britain is a minority, and | :39:57. | :40:02. | |
there needs to be protection for the UK to feel comfortable in that. | :40:02. | :40:08. | |
Those protections, how easy will they be to achieve? That is always | :40:08. | :40:11. | |
the area of debate. This assumption that Britain will be able to | :40:11. | :40:16. | |
negotiate its way to protecting whatever they want. How does the | :40:16. | :40:21. | |
eurozone views Britain in these negotiations? The banking union | :40:21. | :40:26. | |
negotiation is really important in a precedent, because they were a | :40:26. | :40:36. | |
:40:36. | :40:36. | ||
formal coccus, they were getting foreword. -- caucus. They would | :40:36. | :40:40. | |
have had a majority to impose those views. The precedent is the rules | :40:40. | :40:46. | |
for Britain were changed, so it has more of an ability to maintain | :40:46. | :40:51. | |
influence and make sure it is not a suffering. The trouble is, that was | :40:51. | :40:57. | |
over a technical issue, financial standards. When it comes to making | :40:57. | :41:05. | |
a loss, -- making legislation, they will not be able to make emergency | :41:05. | :41:09. | |
rules easily. The French will be unhappy. What we will see in the | :41:10. | :41:19. | |
future is as the Europa zone -- eurozone gets more united, seeing, | :41:19. | :41:27. | |
and perspectives, it will be hard to see Britain maintaining as bake | :41:27. | :41:36. | |
a say as it has at the moment. -- as larger say. How will Britain | :41:36. | :41:42. | |
protect its interests when it is on the outside? What happened this | :41:42. | :41:48. | |
week, obviously we are nearly there, we have a step to take next week, | :41:48. | :41:52. | |
because the parliament now needs to agree with the council's position. | :41:52. | :41:57. | |
I have the delight of being the only non eurozone parliamentarian | :41:57. | :42:03. | |
negotiating that. I hope to bring home what they have negotiated as a | :42:03. | :42:12. | |
final deal. The problem is we have them acknowledging that there is a | :42:12. | :42:15. | |
requirement for a dual voting system. That is a major step | :42:15. | :42:19. | |
forward. We have persuaded them to do that to protect the single | :42:19. | :42:23. | |
market. That is because everybody around that table realises that 40% | :42:23. | :42:27. | |
of the financial markets take place in London, and the knee to take | :42:27. | :42:33. | |
that into account. Let's talk about law-making in general. -- they need | :42:33. | :42:39. | |
to take that. Are you saying you are happy for Britain to be on the | :42:39. | :42:46. | |
outside in future negotiations? problem is it is not them and us. | :42:46. | :42:51. | |
There are a large number of countries outside. 10 member states | :42:51. | :42:56. | |
do not use the euro as a common currency. Other things outside | :42:56. | :43:03. | |
banking and financing, some people use certain rules, some do not. We | :43:03. | :43:07. | |
have different rules across different areas. Are you happy with | :43:07. | :43:11. | |
that arrangement? There will be, in place, a two-tier Europe, and we | :43:11. | :43:16. | |
will be on the outside. It is not about being happy, it is about the | :43:16. | :43:21. | |
single market, the fact that we are in the single market, we need to | :43:21. | :43:26. | |
make it work. For I saw Sweden, not being in the euro does not mean we | :43:26. | :43:32. | |
do not have access to the single market, we have the City of London. | :43:32. | :43:42. | |
-- for Britain or for Sweden. What that means is, when we have the | :43:42. | :43:46. | |
common banking supervisor, we buy into that. That means that we have | :43:46. | :43:53. | |
to have some access to it, some sort of say, but it is in our | :43:53. | :43:57. | |
interest for the euro to be working well, and for the European Central | :43:57. | :44:02. | |
Bank to have some power. To be powerless in this, that is allowing | :44:02. | :44:07. | |
us to have no solutions to the European crisis. That is bad for us. | :44:07. | :44:11. | |
What about the issue of repatriation of powers? There are | :44:11. | :44:15. | |
many Tory MPs, and the Government has said that they want to | :44:15. | :44:20. | |
repatriate powers, but Mark Field has call that a fantasy. There are | :44:20. | :44:24. | |
some things we have sung not -- there are things we have not signed | :44:24. | :44:30. | |
up to. Could the repatriate powers? We have given up some things, | :44:30. | :44:35. | |
including employment. If we try to bring back something we recently | :44:35. | :44:41. | |
gave up, there is more hope. If we are renegotiating from the outset, | :44:41. | :44:45. | |
fundamental things that we negotiated 20 years ago, we would | :44:45. | :44:50. | |
not want to take part. They would be difficult. There are things we | :44:50. | :44:58. | |
can actually take control over, and take sovereignty back. How fast you | :44:58. | :45:08. | |
:45:08. | :45:10. | ||
think this closer integration will The EU tends to meander rather than | :45:10. | :45:15. | |
going in straight lines. This week we have seen the biggest step | :45:15. | :45:18. | |
forward in pooling sovereignty is the creation of the single currency. | :45:18. | :45:23. | |
At the same time, at the summit yesterday, they decided to set a | :45:23. | :45:32. | |
time line and to set another one in June. It is a road map to a | :45:32. | :45:36. | |
blueprint for something in the future. It is very vague. Often | :45:36. | :45:39. | |
this is for market pressure more than anything. | :45:39. | :45:43. | |
On that basis, Claude Moraes, we are not going to know what the | :45:43. | :45:48. | |
shape of the EU is going to look like. So flirting with the | :45:48. | :45:53. | |
referendum, as Ed Miliband has done - was that wise? | :45:53. | :45:58. | |
We do know that we are going to have tighter fiscal union with the | :45:58. | :46:05. | |
eurozone. That is something that is going to happen. There's going to | :46:05. | :46:11. | |
be all kinds of proposals. Some of that is in our interest. It is in | :46:11. | :46:16. | |
our interest to have an ECB that is strong to solve the economic crisis. | :46:16. | :46:22. | |
We are in the single market. We do 47% of our trade with the rest of | :46:22. | :46:27. | |
that market. That is important for us. What it means for treaties and | :46:27. | :46:29. | |
referendums, we have to keep an open mind about that and argue our | :46:30. | :46:36. | |
case in Europe. The single market is all about, as | :46:36. | :46:40. | |
we have been hearing, opening up services across Europe to | :46:40. | :46:44. | |
competition. 20 years on from the start of the single market, there's | :46:44. | :46:48. | |
still many areas of the economy where it is not think -- | :46:48. | :46:52. | |
implemented. For example, baggage handling at airports. This week | :46:52. | :47:00. | |
there was a proposal to liberalise the market in that area. Susana | :47:00. | :47:05. | |
Mendonca was in Strasbourg. They usually put your suitcases on | :47:05. | :47:09. | |
the right plane, but these workers were in Strasbourg to demand that | :47:10. | :47:14. | |
plans for more competition in the sector should be sent packing. The | :47:14. | :47:18. | |
European Commission had wanted European airports to open up their | :47:18. | :47:21. | |
ground handling services to at least three different companies. | :47:21. | :47:28. | |
And there's been such anger over over the issue that it can get | :47:28. | :47:34. | |
groundstaff outside the European Parliament on a freezing cold day. | :47:34. | :47:41. | |
If you get a new handlers, new competitors, always Down, Down, | :47:41. | :47:47. | |
Down, there's no safeguarding of the rights of the workers. | :47:47. | :47:52. | |
Frankfurt is a small airport and I think the quality will decrease. | :47:52. | :47:57. | |
There will be a competition only for wages down hill. That is not | :47:57. | :48:02. | |
the competition we want. They were not disappointed. MEPs | :48:02. | :48:06. | |
voted to send the plans back to the drawing board, which would have | :48:06. | :48:09. | |
pleased German and Austrian airports, to, in particular | :48:09. | :48:14. | |
Frankfurt, which owns 85% of its ground handling services and has | :48:14. | :48:19. | |
just one other provider. It had lobbied against the plans. This any | :48:19. | :48:23. | |
pieces the proposals were driven by a blind desire to expand the single | :48:23. | :48:30. | |
market. -- this NEP. We should think about it | :48:30. | :48:38. | |
pragmatically. We should leak about the ideology of the neo-liberal | :48:38. | :48:43. | |
market. -- leave out. The single market is what allows | :48:43. | :48:48. | |
people, goods, services and capital to move freely around the EU. In | :48:48. | :48:53. | |
its 20th year, the focus is on completing the process, services | :48:53. | :48:58. | |
like online trot -- Commerce and transport are where the commission | :48:58. | :49:02. | |
wants to fill the gaps. Take down barriers and Europe can | :49:02. | :49:12. | |
be successful. That is a basic idea. I am not pursuing the value of | :49:12. | :49:18. | |
competition as sacrilege. It is simply saying, if you have two | :49:18. | :49:25. | |
providers of services, everybody wants to provide better services, | :49:25. | :49:35. | |
:49:35. | :49:40. | ||
does a one provider allowed but? -- Whether it is employment, whether | :49:40. | :49:44. | |
it is manufacturing, we have had different practices and our own | :49:44. | :49:48. | |
parliamentary systems. We have had our own legislation. This is where | :49:48. | :49:52. | |
I think the commission get overly ambitious sometimes in terms of | :49:52. | :49:57. | |
time frames. You can change all of this overnight. | :49:57. | :50:00. | |
The baggage handlers may have won this battle against more | :50:00. | :50:04. | |
competition for the moment, but the commission's calls for more | :50:04. | :50:13. | |
liberalisation will continue. Claude Moraes, as this is the 20th | :50:13. | :50:16. | |
anniversary of the single market, it isn't it time to close the gaps | :50:16. | :50:22. | |
in remaining areas of competition? I voted against this because it was | :50:22. | :50:27. | |
a bad proposal. Our job is to examine these proposals. We are | :50:27. | :50:32. | |
legislators. We should look at the things. One was it bad? | :50:32. | :50:42. | |
:50:42. | :50:45. | ||
Be coz they did not look at it In the UK, we had a liberalised | :50:46. | :50:55. | |
position. It works well. People mistake the role of any peace. -- | :50:55. | :51:00. | |
MEPs. In the German context, we listened carefully, looked at the | :51:00. | :51:05. | |
proposal, and it was flawed. The commission came forward too quickly | :51:05. | :51:10. | |
on this. They did not consult the trade unions, for example. That is | :51:10. | :51:14. | |
why I did not want to vote for this. It has just been sent back to | :51:14. | :51:19. | |
Committee. It will come back again. Liberalisation, per say, is not | :51:19. | :51:25. | |
wrong. It can bring down costs for the consumer, but it has to be done | :51:25. | :51:29. | |
properly. The German concerns were about | :51:29. | :51:35. | |
safety as well, in terms of baggage. My main concern, and I've voted to | :51:35. | :51:43. | |
send his back because it was flawed, we have the most liberal markets in | :51:43. | :51:48. | |
the UK in regard to this, and yet this would have imposed a different | :51:48. | :51:53. | |
regulation on us. That is not fair. It does not take into account the | :51:54. | :52:00. | |
systems that already exist. To impose a less liberal will -- | :52:00. | :52:10. | |
system on a liberal one is not right. | :52:10. | :52:14. | |
I am pleased that the entire mandate here is about finishing the | :52:14. | :52:20. | |
single market. I wish that was their mantra. We can amend bad | :52:20. | :52:26. | |
proposals. We have sent it back. That is not common. | :52:26. | :52:30. | |
It is not liberalisation for its own sake. It does not sometimes | :52:30. | :52:38. | |
work. Where it works is where it is good for the consumer. It breaks | :52:38. | :52:42. | |
the Monopolies and brings down the price. What about railways, Claude | :52:42. | :52:49. | |
Moraes? There's a perception in Britain that state owned companies | :52:49. | :52:54. | |
in Europe can be to run railway lines in the UK. The German one, | :52:54. | :53:01. | |
for instance, can run a line here, but we can't run one in Germany. | :53:01. | :53:06. | |
The liberalisation is good if it works for the consumer. This is why | :53:06. | :53:10. | |
you can't just say, ideologically, it is a good thing. You have to | :53:10. | :53:14. | |
look at each proposal as it comes. That is why, in this case, you look | :53:14. | :53:19. | |
at the proposal, and in this case we sent it back. Which areas would | :53:19. | :53:24. | |
you like to push for? What would you go for next? The real key is | :53:24. | :53:30. | |
this transport issue. It has to be a liberalised market going forwards. | :53:30. | :53:34. | |
The energy markets are the other one I would be pushing for. The UK | :53:34. | :53:38. | |
has got the most liberal of both those markets. The energy market as | :53:38. | :53:45. | |
well? On the energy market, it is certainly liberal. We have very few | :53:45. | :53:49. | |
British companies left. We have a liberal attitude towards these. The | :53:49. | :53:53. | |
irony is, it is the French and German companies who dominate our | :53:53. | :53:59. | |
market on both those big sectors. And yet we don't have any say or | :53:59. | :54:04. | |
access on those. So it is your job to sort that. No pressure! | :54:04. | :54:08. | |
There are current the 27 member countries in the EU, with as many | :54:08. | :54:12. | |
languages. There had as everybody in Brussels communicate with each | :54:12. | :54:15. | |
other? Maybe they don't speak to each other! | :54:15. | :54:22. | |
Here is Adam Fleming. The EU is like a modern-day Tower of Babel. | :54:22. | :54:28. | |
It looks a bit less nice. The idea if it does matter is that every one | :54:28. | :54:33. | |
of the citizens can communicate with the EU in their mother tongue, | :54:33. | :54:37. | |
whether they are Bulgarian, French, or finish. It means that here, | :54:37. | :54:42. | |
based B23 different languages. speak German, French, English, | :54:42. | :54:50. | |
Italian and Dutch. English, French, Portuguese, German. | :54:50. | :54:59. | |
German, French, Norwegian, Danish. A no Estonians because? Anybody | :54:59. | :55:04. | |
speak Irish? That means there are 506 Language | :55:04. | :55:09. | |
combinations. Here, in the document distribution centre, they churn out | :55:09. | :55:14. | |
millions of words per year. Here is a report into some new banking | :55:14. | :55:19. | |
regulations. This is it in English. Here it is in Bulgaria, Slovakia | :55:19. | :55:26. | |
and, French, Latvian, Danish, Hungarian, Slovenian, Spanish, | :55:26. | :55:36. | |
:55:36. | :55:39. | ||
finished, Dutch, Maltese, Swedish, But when it comes to the spoken | :55:39. | :55:42. | |
word, most languages are interpreted into English and then | :55:42. | :55:47. | |
re interpreted in two others. Hannah does that in Estonian. She | :55:47. | :55:53. | |
gave me a rare glimpse into the secret world of the interpreters. | :55:53. | :55:59. | |
Languages are different. You can see if you look into the Spanish | :55:59. | :56:02. | |
Booth, you see a lot of hand-waving from the interpreters, a lot of | :56:02. | :56:07. | |
action. The Estonians tend to be very calm. When you're actually | :56:07. | :56:15. | |
there, it is very intense. How long can you do it for in one go? | :56:15. | :56:20. | |
minutes, and then you get very tired. How do you say eurozone | :56:20. | :56:30. | |
:56:30. | :56:34. | ||
The EU like to make linguists of us all. One of their goals is to make | :56:34. | :56:39. | |
everybody speak two languages other than their mother tongue. Good luck | :56:39. | :56:43. | |
with that! Yes, I don't know how many | :56:43. | :56:48. | |
languages Adams beats. How many languages do you speak? -- Adams | :56:48. | :56:54. | |
speaks. English is my second language. Welsh is my first one. I | :56:54. | :57:04. | |
:57:04. | :57:05. | ||
feel at home in Brussels. Do you speak Estonian? No. I speak | :57:05. | :57:10. | |
a bit of Gujarati and Hindi, though. I don't know if that is on the list. | :57:10. | :57:15. | |
One thing I found, since I have been there since 1999, I found that | :57:15. | :57:20. | |
French was quite a dominant language when I arrived. What I | :57:20. | :57:24. | |
have discovered now is that English is the dominant language. A lot of | :57:24. | :57:29. | |
our work is done informally. has that happened? Accession was a | :57:29. | :57:37. | |
huge thing. In 2004, I noticed a huge shift. They came in, some of | :57:37. | :57:41. | |
the people from the Stalinist era, and they had learned French and | :57:41. | :57:45. | |
their mother tongue, they then came in, started learning English. | :57:45. | :57:51. | |
Everybody else learned English. Some of these southern states, like | :57:51. | :57:55. | |
Cyprus. In his became their language. If you know English and | :57:55. | :58:02. | |
you are in these informal meetings, it gives to such an advantage. That | :58:02. | :58:07. | |
has been written about constantly. It is that little secret that we | :58:07. | :58:12. | |
have. For all these years, sceptics have thought that our influence is | :58:12. | :58:17. | |
waning. What about the French, they must be a set? The only people who | :58:17. | :58:21. | |
insist on speaking their mother tongue, no matter what, are my | :58:21. | :58:26. | |
French colleagues. But actually, we all speak in English, so even my | :58:26. | :58:31. | |
French colleagues can speak, by and large, good English. Even the | :58:31. | :58:35. | |
commissioner will speak in English now, particularly on things like | :58:35. | :58:39. | |
banking union and things. Across the globe, finance is done in | :58:39. | :58:44. | |
English. It is not because I am British. It because finance is done | :58:44. | :58:48. | |
in English. We have an advantage. Thank you very much. That is all | :58:48. | :58:54. |