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Afternoon. Welcome to the final Daily Politics of 2012. Guess what? | :00:46. | :00:51. | |
It's a Christmas special. From pasties to plebs, to penitent | :00:51. | :00:57. | |
politicians, we will be looking at the main party's years and having a | :00:57. | :01:00. | |
run-down of the top little moments of the last 12 months. Have our | :01:00. | :01:04. | |
politicians been behaving this year or are they just a bunch of | :01:04. | :01:09. | |
Scrooges? We will be choosing our candidates for a first ever Daily | :01:09. | :01:14. | |
Politics quiz -- Daily Politics Christmas awards. What other | :01:14. | :01:18. | |
strange happenings at been taking place? Some of Westminster's finest | :01:18. | :01:25. | |
minds take part in our very own Christmas quiz. | :01:25. | :01:29. | |
All that coming up. With us for the first half of this Christmas | :01:30. | :01:37. | |
special, I am delighted to say and joint in Santa's grotto, otherwise | :01:37. | :01:39. | |
known as the press gallery bar, where we found a trio of Fleet | :01:39. | :01:46. | |
Street elves to help their review the year. Phil -- Philip Collins of | :01:46. | :01:51. | |
the Times, he wants an editor for Christmas. James Forsyth works for | :01:51. | :01:56. | |
the Spectator, and take the halls with boughs of Polly Toynbee from | :01:56. | :02:03. | |
the Guardian. A -- deck the halls. It has been a momentous year in | :02:03. | :02:08. | |
Westminster so what better way to celebrate than the inaugural Daily | :02:08. | :02:15. | |
Politics awards. I think we should call them the Andrews. | :02:15. | :02:23. | |
Our first category... There is a whole band just behind | :02:23. | :02:29. | |
you that does that. Parliamentary moment of the year, Phil Collins? | :02:29. | :02:33. | |
thing we cannot let you pass without mentioning the Leveson | :02:33. | :02:36. | |
Inquiry. I think my parliamentary moment of the year was Nick Clegg, | :02:36. | :02:41. | |
the Deputy Prime Minister, making a separate statement on Leveson to | :02:41. | :02:46. | |
the Prime Minister. Two things about this, firstly to have a | :02:46. | :02:48. | |
liberal making the case for statutory regulation of the press | :02:48. | :02:52. | |
was a strange interpretation of liberalism. Secondly, it laid bare | :02:52. | :02:56. | |
a big cleavage in the coalition, one of the Rhine stories of the | :02:56. | :03:03. | |
year. And thirdly, the substantial question itself, the problem that | :03:03. | :03:06. | |
is left in the Prime Minister's inbox about what will happen when | :03:06. | :03:14. | |
the press comes back. A free press does not mean a press that is free | :03:15. | :03:21. | |
to bully innocent people or free to abuse grieving families. What I | :03:21. | :03:26. | |
want now is for us to strike a better balance between these two | :03:26. | :03:30. | |
liberal principles. So that our media can scrutinise the powers- | :03:30. | :03:35. | |
that-be, but cannot destroy innocent lives. So that the | :03:35. | :03:38. | |
journalists in the press gallery can hold us, the politicians, to | :03:38. | :03:41. | |
account, but we can look up to the individuals and families in the | :03:41. | :03:48. | |
public gallery, knowing they have the right protections and place. | :03:48. | :03:54. | |
Phil Collins' parliamentary moment. Mr Clegg making his own statement. | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
What was your parliamentary moment, James? I think it was the defeat of | :03:58. | :04:02. | |
Lords reform, when it became clear that Tory MPs were not going to let | :04:02. | :04:06. | |
Nick chair -- Nick Clegg's cherished project pass. There will | :04:06. | :04:10. | |
that it was clear that was going to happen, Malcolm Rifkind made a | :04:10. | :04:13. | |
speech savaging the idea and mocking Nick Clegg in personal | :04:13. | :04:20. | |
terms. Let's hear it. I have not voted against my party for a very | :04:20. | :04:25. | |
long time. I last did so in the 1970s. I do not know what effect it | :04:25. | :04:30. | |
will have this time on my ministerial future. All I can say | :04:30. | :04:34. | |
is the last time I did it, in the 1970s, two years later, Margaret | :04:34. | :04:40. | |
Thatcher appointed me to her government. So be of good heart, | :04:40. | :04:44. | |
bought as you believe, and that means 40 against his bill and | :04:44. | :04:48. | |
voting against the programmed motion. -- voting against it this | :04:48. | :04:55. | |
bill. An unlikely rebel. Was not a tactical mistake? They lost | :04:55. | :05:00. | |
boundary reform as a result? It was a calamity. Did they really care | :05:00. | :05:05. | |
that much about Lords reform? Compared to losing the next | :05:06. | :05:12. | |
election as a result? I do not know what to call them? A kind of great, | :05:12. | :05:17. | |
tribal, few will fit that they would not put up with this. -- | :05:17. | :05:21. | |
feudal. You're right, it was an honest moment, a moment without | :05:21. | :05:24. | |
political calculation, in which Tory backbenchers just would not | :05:24. | :05:29. | |
have that. They want to the House of Lords and the hereditaries and | :05:30. | :05:33. | |
all that stuff and nonsense and they got it. They did not realise | :05:33. | :05:35. | |
that the Liberal Democrats could not keep losing these | :05:36. | :05:40. | |
constitutional things without some kind of retaliation. They were not | :05:40. | :05:42. | |
convinced that the Liberal Democrats would strike back on | :05:42. | :05:45. | |
boundaries, and they were determined to do that. The mountain | :05:46. | :05:51. | |
that the Tories have to climb to get an overall majority is high | :05:51. | :05:54. | |
enough with a boundary reforms. It is kind of Mission: Impossible | :05:54. | :06:00. | |
without them. It will be very difficult. It is hard to see how | :06:00. | :06:07. | |
they can pull it off. I can see how they will take some Lib Dem seats | :06:07. | :06:11. | |
where tactical voting on wines and they can put pressure on the Lib | :06:11. | :06:16. | |
Dem vote, but in the Labour seats, it will be different. Particularly | :06:16. | :06:20. | |
with UKIP and the Lib Dem vote crumbling. The Tory vote is at the | :06:20. | :06:25. | |
margins to UKIP. Whereas the good news? It is the most presidential | :06:25. | :06:29. | |
campaign in a long time from the Tories. I said to a Conservative | :06:29. | :06:36. | |
minister this morning, what is your message? Fought Cameron? He said | :06:36. | :06:38. | |
that the Lib Dems were saying you are voting for the Conservative | :06:38. | :06:42. | |
Party, we're going to say that you are voting for David Cameron. | :06:42. | :06:48. | |
also say, don't fought back in the people who got you into this mess. | :06:48. | :06:51. | |
-- Don't vote back in. parliamentary moment of the year | :06:51. | :06:55. | |
to? Ed Balls recently got tripped up in the Spending Review. And we | :06:55. | :07:00. | |
will come to that. But he is very good in Parliament. He is very | :07:00. | :07:07. | |
pugilistic, tough as nails. He gave a very good response in the Budget | :07:07. | :07:12. | |
speech, and I think he is pretty good in that bullying Forum. This | :07:12. | :07:22. | |
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is where he was on form. Back to March, his response to the Budget, | :07:23. | :07:27. | |
not the response to the Budget, the Leader of the Opposition does that. | :07:27. | :07:32. | |
This is Ed Balls in the Budget debate. You call this a Robin Hood | :07:32. | :07:38. | |
Budget? But they have got this the wrong way round. Because Robin Hood | :07:38. | :07:43. | |
took from the rich to give to the poor and this Budget takes from law | :07:43. | :07:49. | |
and middle income families to give to the rich. Don't Basie? The | :07:49. | :07:54. | |
Chancellor is not Robin Hood, he is the Sheriff of Nottingham. -- don't | :07:54. | :08:00. | |
they see. As for jobs and growth, he could not give a Friar Tuck, Mr | :08:00. | :08:09. | |
Deputy Speaker. Acini spatial expression from the Chancellor! -- | :08:09. | :08:14. | |
that a nice facial expression. When Ed Balls is on form, he is | :08:14. | :08:19. | |
remarkable. Because of memories Easter as with previous | :08:19. | :08:24. | |
associations of the final Labour years, and being a compadre of Mr | :08:24. | :08:32. | |
Brown, is he still in negative in the eyes of voters? I think | :08:32. | :08:35. | |
Labour's position on the economy is very soft. There is that problem. | :08:35. | :08:40. | |
At this stage in the parliament, with gross as -- with growth as | :08:40. | :08:45. | |
elusive as it is, for later to not be out of sight on the economy is | :08:45. | :08:47. | |
worrying from their point of view. When it comes to it, the Tories | :08:47. | :08:51. | |
will throw mud about economic record of the previous government. | :08:51. | :08:56. | |
It is not so much Ed Balls' association with Mr Brown, it is | :08:56. | :09:00. | |
his association with what happened. It is their Achilles heel. He was | :09:00. | :09:06. | |
Ed Miliband's third-choice. It is possible that he might be the best | :09:06. | :09:10. | |
opposition Treasury Persian up until closer to the election and he | :09:10. | :09:15. | |
might even go back, perhaps, to Alastair Darling four of the | :09:15. | :09:17. | |
military action. He is a good oppositional fighter, he is the | :09:17. | :09:23. | |
best person they have got for the Stuffer. He revels in it. -- for | :09:23. | :09:31. | |
this stuff. He is so quiet in the Brown Europe -- he is so mired in | :09:31. | :09:41. | |
the Gordon Brown era, that it might be a worry. By 2014, he will be | :09:41. | :09:45. | |
able to say he is the man who saved the financial union... Alastair | :09:45. | :09:53. | |
Darling. He was responsible, for Labour, undermined by irresponsible | :09:53. | :09:56. | |
Labour. If he comes back, it will be difficult for David Cameron to | :09:56. | :10:00. | |
deal with. We know that Tories admire Alastair Darling, privately, | :10:00. | :10:05. | |
and if he says the union as well in the referendum, and Ed Miliband | :10:05. | :10:10. | |
says, all right, this is the guide to make Chancellor... Also, | :10:10. | :10:15. | |
Alastair Darling handed over growth which George Osborne simply put a | :10:15. | :10:19. | |
stop to with his first Spending Review. It will be hard to persuade | :10:19. | :10:24. | |
people that he left a golden legacy. But he had a good financial crisis. | :10:24. | :10:28. | |
He did. It is never going to happen in a million years. It is not going | :10:28. | :10:32. | |
to happen. You're not going to remove Ed Balls from that position. | :10:32. | :10:36. | |
Go back to your previous discussion about how hard tears for the Tories | :10:36. | :10:41. | |
to get a majority. Labour think they are in for a good shout of | :10:41. | :10:44. | |
getting into Downing Street and there is no way you will shift Ed | :10:44. | :10:49. | |
Balls from the threshold. Don't underestimate Beth Miliband's | :10:49. | :10:53. | |
toughness. I think he will do whatever it takes. -- Ed Miliband. | :10:53. | :10:58. | |
If it seems a weakness, and it may well be that Ed Balls will come out | :10:58. | :11:02. | |
with a convincing economic strategy. He cannot do that right now because | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
we do not know the situation. If he does that, he might set himself, | :11:06. | :11:12. | |
but to... At the cost of ensuring that his government will be carnage. | :11:12. | :11:14. | |
If interestingly, if you think you're not going to win the | :11:14. | :11:20. | |
election, you will do what irritates. But we will write it | :11:20. | :11:22. | |
down. If we are right, we will remind everybody and did not, we | :11:22. | :11:27. | |
will let it disappear into the mists of the BBC archives. Or words | :11:27. | :11:33. | |
to your next award, the star man or woman around David Cameron's | :11:33. | :11:43. | |
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Cabinet minister of the year. James? Michael Gove. You look at | :11:44. | :11:48. | |
him, he is the most dynamic reformer and the Government, he has | :11:48. | :11:51. | |
achieved the most so far and I think the interesting thing, there | :11:51. | :11:56. | |
appears to be a consensus emerging around his reforms. I do not think | :11:56. | :12:00. | |
Labour will on pick them. I agree. I chose him as well. Two for Mr go | :12:00. | :12:05. | |
for. I think he had a plan and what a rethink about his plan, he came | :12:05. | :12:09. | |
into office with a plan which she was able to articulate and then | :12:09. | :12:14. | |
enact. Contrast that with the health service, which were plans | :12:14. | :12:18. | |
land upon us from on high and were a terrible mess. Michael Gove is | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
exemplary and he set about doing what he wants to do. He built a | :12:22. | :12:27. | |
strong consensus before he came to office. A hat-trick? I think he is | :12:27. | :12:31. | |
pretty good because he is about the -- this is about the only area in | :12:31. | :12:36. | |
which they're not in deep trouble. It is the or make him vulnerable | :12:36. | :12:41. | |
area. Who is your choice? Are I have chosen the Iain Duncan-Smith. | :12:41. | :12:45. | |
Were we are right now, it is the one popular policy, welfare reform. | :12:45. | :12:48. | |
I choose it because he is the epitome of everything that is going | :12:49. | :12:56. | |
to go wrong with this government. He is unctuous and sanctimonious | :12:56. | :12:59. | |
and he is an appalling -- she is making appalling squeeze on the | :12:59. | :13:04. | |
poorest and the weakness. -- the weakest. How does this qualify him | :13:04. | :13:07. | |
to be Minister of the year? Because it is working now but I do not | :13:07. | :13:11. | |
think it will work for much longer. The polls are changing and by the | :13:11. | :13:15. | |
time we get to next April, when the benefit cuts really had the | :13:15. | :13:19. | |
disabled, when people's mobility scooters will be repossessed, about | :13:19. | :13:23. | |
90,000 of them, it will make lovely pictures. You think that will | :13:23. | :13:31. | |
happen? It may be that they will do you turn up the last moment. -- do | :13:31. | :13:36. | |
a U-turn at the last moment. As things are, two-thirds of disabled | :13:36. | :13:40. | |
children will lose Disability Living Allowance. Children who or | :13:40. | :13:44. | |
carers for sick parents are going to lose about �58 a week. It is a | :13:44. | :13:48. | |
cruelty unimaginable and people have not yet got it but I think | :13:48. | :13:54. | |
they will then. Coming onto the politics of this, you have chosen | :13:54. | :13:58. | |
Iain Duncan-Smith and Michael Gove. Education and welfare reform were | :13:58. | :14:02. | |
the two areas where the Conservatives came to power with a | :14:02. | :14:06. | |
pretty good idea of what they wanted to do. You can agree a | :14:06. | :14:10. | |
disagree but they knew what they wanted to do. Two areas that are | :14:10. | :14:15. | |
quite difficult for Labour at the moment. Is that correct? I think so. | :14:15. | :14:18. | |
On education, Labour does not know what it thinks and has been silent | :14:18. | :14:23. | |
for a long time. Because Michael Gove is carrying on some of the | :14:23. | :14:27. | |
Labour policies. Labour does not really have a position on schools. | :14:27. | :14:33. | |
One welfare, they are in more trouble. MP after MP in 2010 found | :14:33. | :14:38. | |
people telling them that Labour was associated with welfare. They have | :14:38. | :14:43. | |
been spooked by this. They have made a few remarks about changing | :14:43. | :14:46. | |
the welfare state back towards one of contribution, which does not go | :14:46. | :14:55. | |
anywhere. They are in a tricky position on welfare. They do not | :14:56. | :14:58. | |
want to talk about scroungers and become hard, although it is | :14:58. | :15:01. | |
tempting, but it leaves you in a difficult place. I think they have | :15:01. | :15:06. | |
a hope, -- they have to hope that the effects of austerity are so | :15:06. | :15:09. | |
severe that that dominates the argument. One of the interesting | :15:09. | :15:15. | |
things, if you look at the strategy, public attitudes have hardened. We | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
are in a striking situation. Normally, in austerity periods, | :15:19. | :15:22. | |
people are more sympathetic. would not rely too much on that | :15:22. | :15:26. | |
survey. It is six months out of date. It is not like ordinary | :15:26. | :15:30. | |
opinion polls, it is 18 months out of date. There is something | :15:30. | :15:33. | |
striking that people in a recession are normally more sympathetic. | :15:33. | :15:37. | |
is reflecting the end of the Labour era. People felt they were too | :15:37. | :15:41. | |
generous. It is not telling us what they're thinking now. There were | :15:41. | :15:45. | |
some polls this week that were conflicting. Some of them were nip | :15:45. | :15:51. | |
and tuck. One of them were showing that the Conservatives was begun | :15:51. | :15:56. | |
this issue. The Ipsos MORI poll showed a significant change. I | :15:56. | :15:59. | |
think it is hard to tell but my guess is that after next April, | :15:59. | :16:05. | |
when we get poll tax tight council tax, people having to pay council | :16:05. | :16:09. | |
tax for the first time, Baylis at the door, and a lot of savage | :16:10. | :16:13. | |
things happening, I think you may evil see -- you may even see the | :16:13. | :16:19. | |
Daily Mail report poorly about this. The it is interesting to see Ian | :16:20. | :16:29. | |
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Duncan-Smith talking about this. He Iain Duncan Smith claimed to have | :16:31. | :16:36. | |
an epiphany about poverty, so he should resign. He has used this | :16:36. | :16:41. | |
language of more than anyone else. He said to the Sunday Times, I will | :16:41. | :16:48. | |
tell them, you are a sky over. He is part of it. But in your view, is | :16:48. | :16:57. | |
it a winner for the Tories? I think it is. It is hard to persuade the | :16:57. | :17:07. | |
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public... It is Labour against the Tories and the Liberal Democrats. | :17:08. | :17:15. | |
Her it is difficult for Labour to win the argument. The Tories will | :17:15. | :17:19. | |
just say, you are for a limited welfare. It will be interesting to | :17:19. | :17:26. | |
see the debate. It will be a defining issue of 2013. It has been | :17:26. | :17:32. | |
fermenting this year. But next year, we will see how it plays out. | :17:32. | :17:42. | |
:17:42. | :17:44. | ||
Time for our next award. Who has We are talking opposition | :17:44. | :17:51. | |
politician of the year. Who do you choose? The obvious choice is Ed | :17:51. | :17:55. | |
Miliband, because politics is so dominated by the leaders now. But I | :17:55. | :17:59. | |
will go for someone unusual. Going back to the discussion about those | :17:59. | :18:03. | |
who grew up in the shadow of Gordon Brown, one of the tasks of that | :18:03. | :18:06. | |
generation of politicians is to try and release themselves from the | :18:07. | :18:12. | |
shadow of Blair or Brown. A lot of the shadow front bench grew up as | :18:12. | :18:16. | |
advisers to the previous generation. Douglas Alexander had done very | :18:16. | :18:18. | |
little political personality, because he was so much in the | :18:18. | :18:23. | |
shadow of his boss that when he took on the welfare brief earlier | :18:23. | :18:26. | |
and then recently, with respect to the Arab Spring, there were signs | :18:27. | :18:32. | |
of an emergent political personality in him. They are | :18:32. | :18:35. | |
appealing and attractive. He is in the toughest job in a position | :18:35. | :18:44. | |
apart from the leader -- the toughest job in opposition, which | :18:44. | :18:47. | |
is shadow Home Secretary. He has had a good year. She is in him is a | :18:48. | :18:52. | |
problem, because we could not find a clip that illustrated what you | :18:52. | :18:57. | |
were talking about! So I will let that hang in the air. A Nigel | :18:57. | :19:01. | |
Farage is my choice. He is running against not just the coalition, but | :19:01. | :19:05. | |
their entire political class and the media. If you look at the | :19:05. | :19:10. | |
recent polling, it is difficult to analyse the UKIP phenomenon. What | :19:10. | :19:15. | |
appeals to their voters is what we think of as gaffes. But they like | :19:15. | :19:20. | |
the fact that he says the unsayable. And not just on Europe. It is | :19:20. | :19:25. | |
grammar schools, gay marriage, law and order. Let's hear Mr Farage. | :19:25. | :19:29. | |
With Greece teetering on the edge of euro with Straw, the real | :19:29. | :19:33. | |
elephant in the room had is that once Chris leaves, the European | :19:33. | :19:40. | |
Central Bank is bust. It is gone. It has EUR444 billion worth of | :19:40. | :19:43. | |
exposure to the bailed out countries, and to rectify that, you | :19:43. | :19:51. | |
will need to have a cash from Ireland, Portugal, Greece and Italy. | :19:51. | :19:56. | |
You couldn't make it up. It is utter failure. This ship, the Euro | :19:56. | :20:01. | |
Titanic, has now hit the iceberg and sadly, there simply are not | :20:01. | :20:09. | |
enough lifeboats. In an age of homogenised politicians, he is | :20:09. | :20:13. | |
different, isn't he? Were all, there is always room for a | :20:14. | :20:21. | |
theatrical performer. He is a great show off. I don't know if he | :20:21. | :20:26. | |
believes in anything, but he has a lot of fun. And at a time when | :20:26. | :20:29. | |
people are feeling very anti- Westminster politics, he will get a | :20:29. | :20:34. | |
lot of support. He is good at what he does. I think it is worthless | :20:34. | :20:42. | |
politics. If it were to become a big party, I would be quite scared. | :20:43. | :20:48. | |
But the significance of UKIP is not that it is becoming a big party | :20:48. | :20:53. | |
like a right-wing kind of SDP, it's dangerous simply that in those | :20:53. | :20:58. | |
seats where Labour is a good second to the Tories, they will take away | :20:58. | :21:05. | |
enough Tory votes to make that a potential Labour seat. That is | :21:05. | :21:11. | |
precisely the significance of UKIP and why the Tories are the are | :21:11. | :21:21. | |
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scared. But I tend to agree with Polly. Nigel Farage has the air of | :21:23. | :21:29. | |
the 18th hole about him. A few GNPs later, he stands up to make a | :21:29. | :21:33. | |
speech about Greece leaving Europe. When you get to the serious | :21:33. | :21:39. | |
politics of a general election, the ebb and flow will be exactly as it | :21:39. | :21:47. | |
always is. Consider the 2014 European elections. You could not | :21:47. | :21:52. | |
rule him out coming first. The Lib Dems would become headless chickens | :21:52. | :21:58. | |
if they come 4th or 5th, and Mr Cameron has a real problem. It is | :21:58. | :22:04. | |
almost certain that they will push the Lib Dems into third. What | :22:04. | :22:11. | |
effect do us that have? Mr Cameron will need to set out his lines so | :22:11. | :22:16. | |
that he can't be moved from it early on. He will be one to watch | :22:16. | :22:22. | |
the 2013, or whatever you think of him. He is certainly a minor | :22:22. | :22:32. | |
:22:32. | :22:34. | ||
political phenomenon that is My person is Ed Miliband. If you | :22:34. | :22:37. | |
think how written-off he was when he took over by a whisker, people | :22:37. | :22:42. | |
said this was curtains for Labour. This is the year he has come into | :22:42. | :22:46. | |
his own. He has found his feet in the Commons and he is absolutely | :22:46. | :22:51. | |
Cameron's match. Sometimes one wins, sometimes the other. When he gets | :22:51. | :22:56. | |
under Cameron's skin, Cameron goes red with rage. He has had a few | :22:56. | :23:04. | |
good jokes and he seems comfortable for the first time. I have heard | :23:04. | :23:08. | |
everything when the boy from the Bullingdon Club lectures people on | :23:08. | :23:16. | |
bullying. Absolutely extraordinary. Have you read a restaurant | :23:17. | :23:26. | |
:23:27. | :23:29. | ||
recently? -- have you wreck to a restaurant recently? Now, we cover | :23:29. | :23:36. | |
Prime Minister's Questions every week on the Daily Politics. All | :23:36. | :23:39. | |
independent commentators would admit that he has got better as the | :23:39. | :23:44. | |
year has gone on. He is much more confident now. He often it is a | :23:45. | :23:49. | |
match and sometimes wins against Mr Cameron. But is he with the public | :23:49. | :23:53. | |
yet? He needs to get with the West minster political class before he | :23:53. | :23:57. | |
can get with the public. Until that conference speech this year, | :23:57. | :24:00. | |
everything -- every time he did anything, it had to cut through | :24:00. | :24:05. | |
this coverage about whether they picked the correct Miliband. That | :24:05. | :24:09. | |
has now gone. He has moved on to a different plane. He is now | :24:09. | :24:12. | |
guaranteed to lead Labour into the next election. The public might | :24:12. | :24:20. | |
warm to him in time. He is one of the nicest people in politics. | :24:20. | :24:25. | |
agree that the conference speech was a watershed moment. Firstly, it | :24:25. | :24:28. | |
did what most speeches can't do, which was that it took him from | :24:28. | :24:32. | |
being not a credible figure to being a credible figure in the | :24:32. | :24:35. | |
course of an hour. Very few conference speeches ever achieve | :24:35. | :24:40. | |
that. But he managed to talk for an hour without once mentioning the | :24:40. | :24:43. | |
deficit, and I don't think he can do that for the next two years. | :24:43. | :24:48. | |
That will still be the critical question. There is no doubt he is | :24:48. | :24:51. | |
better than people thought, but that was because people thought he | :24:51. | :24:55. | |
was a four out of ten politician, and he has proved to be six or | :24:55. | :25:01. | |
seven. Let's move on on the one to watch. Who are the up and coming | :25:01. | :25:06. | |
people in Parliament? There was an impressive intake of MPs in 2010 on | :25:06. | :25:11. | |
both sides of the house. It was only Lib Dems that were not renewed | :25:11. | :25:17. | |
her. Phil, who is the one to watch on the back benches? There were | :25:17. | :25:21. | |
quite a lot I could have chosen. I have chosen Tristram Hunt because | :25:21. | :25:24. | |
that New Labour will finally be complete when the party is led by | :25:24. | :25:29. | |
somebody called Tristram. remember what Mr Blair said of Mr | :25:29. | :25:33. | |
Mandelson, and that never came about. They are taking it to a new | :25:33. | :25:38. | |
level. Tristram is very intelligent. In politics now, it helps if you | :25:38. | :25:42. | |
come from the wrong side of the tracks, which is to say if you are | :25:42. | :25:45. | |
a working-class Tory leader, that helps. If you are in middle-class | :25:45. | :25:50. | |
Labour leader, that helps. You want to pull people over to your party | :25:50. | :25:55. | |
who are not natural supporters. will he stay the course? He has a | :25:55. | :26:00. | |
lot of other worlds going on. He is a serious historian. Being called | :26:00. | :26:05. | |
Tristram, it is only a matter of time before he is head of BBC drama. | :26:05. | :26:12. | |
I am anointing him on this show to encourage him to carry on. Your | :26:12. | :26:16. | |
choice of the one to watch? Stella Creasy, a tremendously | :26:16. | :26:20. | |
energetic local campaigner, vociferous. She has done what | :26:20. | :26:23. | |
backbenchers should do, which eschews an issue which is a | :26:23. | :26:28. | |
winnable and she has won it. She chose the monstrous debts that | :26:28. | :26:32. | |
people build up with pay-day loan companies and said we have to have | :26:32. | :26:38. | |
a cap on the amount of interest rates that people should pay. And | :26:38. | :26:42. | |
she has won the argument. She has been impressive when we have had | :26:42. | :26:49. | |
her on the programme. James? List Trust, the new education minister. | :26:49. | :26:52. | |
She is not only doing the curriculum reforms, but the child | :26:52. | :26:57. | |
care changes that will be announced in the mid-term review will make | :26:57. | :27:01. | |
childcare cheaper. If it makes it tax-deductible, that could help | :27:01. | :27:06. | |
mothers get back to work. The EU see her as a rising Tory? She is on | :27:06. | :27:10. | |
the right of the Tory party. She is on the free-market wing, but she is | :27:10. | :27:14. | |
also a woman and a working mother, so she does not look like the | :27:14. | :27:19. | |
classic stereotype of a Tory politician, a white male public- | :27:19. | :27:22. | |
school boy. A but there will be one hell of a row when she tells | :27:22. | :27:28. | |
childminders that they can look after five toddlers are on their | :27:28. | :27:36. | |
own. A candlelit in France. -- they can do it in France. We have to | :27:36. | :27:42. | |
leave it there. We will go downmarket now, bring out the | :27:42. | :27:45. | |
journalists and bring in some politicians. Merry Christmas to all | :27:45. | :27:50. | |
of you. So, a pressie for Lizzie. | :27:50. | :27:54. | |
"plebgate" turns to Plodgate, and some festive career advice for the | :27:55. | :27:58. | |
Shadow Chancellor. Here is David Thomson to explain all in our final | :27:58. | :28:07. | |
60 seconds of 2012. Not a radical reshuffle, just the | :28:07. | :28:11. | |
Queen visiting Cabinet as part of the Diamond Jubilee celebrations. | :28:11. | :28:16. | |
Her Majesty got a 60 place mats and a caravan parked it as a gift. | :28:16. | :28:19. | |
Better than socks. Form a chief whip Andrew Mitchell | :28:19. | :28:24. | |
also got an early Christmas present through CCTV footage which appeared | :28:24. | :28:27. | |
to class -- cast doubt on the police version of "plebgate". | :28:27. | :28:31. | |
The BBC was given a caning by the inquiry into the dropped Newsnight | :28:31. | :28:35. | |
Jimmy Savile investigation. No sackings, but senior management | :28:36. | :28:42. | |
does need to be looked at. Meanwhile, the Prime Minister could | :28:42. | :28:47. | |
not resist a jibe at the risk of tormentor in chief Ed Balls. | :28:47. | :28:50. | |
Shadow Chancellor does a brilliant job playing Santa at the Christmas | :28:50. | :28:55. | |
party every year. He does an excellent job, why not give | :28:55. | :28:59. | |
everyone an early Christmas present. Make the arrangement permanent and | :28:59. | :29:06. | |
give him the sack! Cha! Marie Christmas and hopefully, a not too | :29:06. | :29:12. | |
austere new year. So, we saw the final Prime | :29:12. | :29:15. | |
Minister's Questions of the year, with the traditional exchange of | :29:15. | :29:19. | |
terrible Christmas puns. Yesterday was the last sitting day in the | :29:19. | :29:24. | |
House of Commons before MPs pack up for 2012, and there were yet more | :29:24. | :29:29. | |
awful seasonal jokes. Even worse than BBC One on a Thursday night. | :29:29. | :29:33. | |
Here is the Shadow Leader of the house, Angela Eagle. I was looking | :29:33. | :29:38. | |
for gifts for the Cabinet. Given the miraculous resurrection of | :29:38. | :29:42. | |
those -- his ministerial career, the Government Chief Whip might | :29:42. | :29:47. | |
like a copy of the ex-Australian prime minister John Howard's | :29:47. | :29:51. | |
autobiography, Lazarus rises. We would be grateful if the Chancellor | :29:51. | :29:55. | |
would spend this Christmas reading macro-economics for beginners. | :29:55. | :29:58. | |
Given every announcement from the Department of Education inevitably | :29:58. | :30:01. | |
finds its way into the media before the Education Secretary has had a | :30:01. | :30:06. | |
chance to make a statement to this house, he would benefit from a copy | :30:06. | :30:16. | |
of How Parliament works. A very excellent book. And Mr Speaker, you | :30:16. | :30:20. | |
might enjoy a manual written for classroom teachers are entitled | :30:20. | :30:30. | |
:30:30. | :30:30. | ||
Managing very challenging behaviour. I can hardly contain myself. Anyway, | :30:30. | :30:34. | |
you'll tide is a time of traditions, chestnuts roasting on the open fire, | :30:34. | :30:39. | |
the family gathered around the tree, one of them probably climbing a bit, | :30:39. | :30:44. | |
snowball fights. This is cliched nonsense, but one annual treat | :30:44. | :30:48. | |
surpasses all the others for providing joy and merriment. I | :30:48. | :30:51. | |
speak of the Daily Politics Christmas quiz. And who better to | :30:51. | :30:54. | |
join us and the Prancer, Dancer, Vixen, and Blitzen of the political | :30:54. | :30:59. | |
world? I will let you decide who is who. Kwasi Kwarteng of the | :30:59. | :31:01. | |
Conservatives, Simon Hughes of the Liberal Democrats, Labour's Lisa | :31:01. | :31:06. | |
Nandy and Paul Nuttall, deputy leader of UKIP. As is customary, we | :31:06. | :31:16. | |
:31:16. | :31:19. | ||
have given you special Christmas Number one. I am sorry. No. | :31:19. | :31:24. | |
We're all in this together. wonder if that is. No. 3. | :31:24. | :31:34. | |
:31:34. | :31:34. | ||
nation. Benjamin Disraeli! Baffling! B do that again. | :31:34. | :31:41. | |
Baffling. It is your leader. It has been a topsy-turvy 12 months for | :31:41. | :31:47. | |
her David Cameron and Nick Clegg. Let's have a fresher memories. -- | :31:47. | :31:57. | |
:31:57. | :31:57. | ||
Apology for the loss of subtitles for 51 seconds | :31:57. | :32:49. | |
Two arrogant posh boys who show no remorse, no contrition and no | :32:49. | :32:56. | |
passion -- compassion to want to understand the lives of others. | :32:56. | :33:02. | |
When is the last time you bought a pasty in Greggs the baker? Look, I | :33:02. | :33:12. | |
:33:12. | :33:29. | ||
can remember the last time I bought Whatever moral authority this bill | :33:29. | :33:33. | |
had, it has now lost. Liberal Democrats, the front bench and | :33:33. | :33:43. | |
:33:43. | :33:44. | ||
backbench, will vote against the Occasionally he would sign him | :33:45. | :33:52. | |
off... "LOL, lots of love." until I told him it meant laugh out loud, | :33:52. | :34:02. | |
:34:02. | :34:05. | ||
and then he did not sign them like The ball moves back to the | :34:05. | :34:15. | |
:34:15. | :34:26. | ||
It was a plan made with the best of attentions but we should not have | :34:27. | :34:36. | |
:34:37. | :34:45. | ||
made a promise we could not deliver. This is the country that invented | :34:45. | :34:49. | |
the computer, defeated the Nazis, started to the internet, fought off | :34:49. | :34:54. | |
every invader for 1000 years. If we even persuaded the Queen to jump | :34:54. | :35:04. | |
:35:04. | :35:20. | ||
out of a helicopter to make the That was nice, wasn't it? The | :35:20. | :35:30. | |
:35:30. | :35:31. | ||
coalition's year. Let's find out how Polish as Our Parliament -- are | :35:31. | :35:39. | |
at variance are. We are a political show. Which of these is the odd one | :35:39. | :35:44. | |
out? Remember, this is a question about the coalition. I'll give you | :35:44. | :35:48. | |
a clue. Each of these images represent a politician. Which is | :35:48. | :35:58. | |
:35:58. | :36:05. | ||
It's actually quite difficult. If I did not have the answer, I would | :36:05. | :36:10. | |
not have had a clue. You were hovering. Anyone? Were your role in | :36:10. | :36:18. | |
this together. What is the answer. I will go for the lot boat. Why? | :36:19. | :36:23. | |
Because the other three are politicians. Balls, and Brown. | :36:23. | :36:33. | |
about David Laws? The law book is David Laws. Do I get. For that. | :36:33. | :36:43. | |
:36:43. | :36:44. | ||
We are talking about Jeremy Browne. -- do I get. For that. I will have | :36:44. | :36:54. | |
:36:54. | :36:55. | ||
a go. David Laws is in the House of Commons.... I would not have got it. | :36:55. | :37:00. | |
The bone is Peter Bone, the balls is Nick Boles and the log book is | :37:00. | :37:06. | |
David Laws. Peter Bone is the only one of these four who is not a | :37:06. | :37:12. | |
coalition minister. -- coalition enthusiast. Have you got that? | :37:12. | :37:18. | |
not very topical. Peter Bone is always topical! The only one who is | :37:18. | :37:24. | |
not a minister. Since you've got no points, I'm going to run a club | :37:24. | :37:31. | |
from Parliament. Jeremy Paxman never does this on University | :37:31. | :37:36. | |
Challenge. I want to tell -- I want you to tell me what word sums up | :37:36. | :37:40. | |
what happens after this club. nation, together the British people | :37:40. | :37:44. | |
will share in the effort and share in the rewards. This country | :37:44. | :37:49. | |
borrowed its way into trouble and we are going to earn our way out. I | :37:49. | :37:59. | |
:37:59. | :38:02. | ||
commend this to the House. Omnishambles! B the correct answer. | :38:02. | :38:12. | |
She got in there before anyone else. It was an omnishambles. It would | :38:12. | :38:15. | |
not have been very loyal for us to answer that one. It tended to | :38:16. | :38:25. | |
dominate politics. The Budget began to unravel. It wasn't the best | :38:25. | :38:28. | |
presented Budget in the history of the world. There were a lot of | :38:28. | :38:33. | |
things that seemed to hit the collision on the bottom. I thought | :38:34. | :38:38. | |
the opposition statement was not criticised for at least been clear | :38:38. | :38:41. | |
and straightforward. The was a fiddle. Half of the figures were | :38:41. | :38:50. | |
not in it. It will never catch on. The surprise was the lead singer of | :38:50. | :38:55. | |
the tax threshold again. Until the Budget, given the state of the | :38:55. | :38:58. | |
recession and that the economy was not growing and living standards | :38:58. | :39:02. | |
were being squeezed, your party was doing quite well in the polls. It | :39:02. | :39:06. | |
was a turning-point. There is no doubt that if you look at any polls | :39:06. | :39:11. | |
from the last election, the budget was a clear inflection point. | :39:11. | :39:15. | |
it was frustrating because the news of the Budget was lifting loads of | :39:15. | :39:19. | |
people out of tax and millions having tax reduced, and that was | :39:19. | :39:24. | |
lost. But your side had looked that stuff in advance. I do not know | :39:24. | :39:30. | |
about making it in advance, but I understand that in the end what was | :39:30. | :39:35. | |
reported was little stuff that had not been heard before. If there is | :39:35. | :39:39. | |
another year like 2013, the position of Lib Dems will be pretty | :39:39. | :39:43. | |
difficult. I think you have heard me say this before. It is | :39:43. | :39:47. | |
repetitious but I am a sports fan and I believe in judging the score | :39:48. | :39:51. | |
at the end of the game, not at the beginning of the second half. We | :39:51. | :39:55. | |
are have been in it -- we were in it for five years and that was the | :39:55. | :39:59. | |
deal. We knew it would be a serious job to get the country together. | :39:59. | :40:03. | |
Governments are always less popular in the middle of the term and I | :40:03. | :40:06. | |
expect by the end, if we see unemployment drop and business | :40:06. | :40:09. | |
creation grow, growth starts to happen, we will see a different | :40:09. | :40:15. | |
picture. There is not much sign of growth. But it is beginning. | :40:15. | :40:18. | |
said this week that there was chatter about Nick Clegg's | :40:18. | :40:22. | |
leadership. One of your colleagues dismissed that. Is there or is | :40:22. | :40:29. | |
there not to chatter? I was asked the question by the interviewer, | :40:29. | :40:32. | |
"Is their chatter about his leadership?" I said there is not | :40:32. | :40:37. | |
chatter, there is, as always about any leader when things are going | :40:37. | :40:41. | |
through difficulties, a little of chatter -- a little bit of chatter | :40:41. | :40:47. | |
but not lots of chatter. A little bit? Are we talking about this | :40:47. | :40:53. | |
March or this much? It is in the public domain. Nick Clegg led us | :40:53. | :40:56. | |
into government and we are in government for the first time since | :40:56. | :41:03. | |
the war. People have to hold their nerve. I heard some chatter there. | :41:03. | :41:08. | |
Oh, no, you didn't. When you start talking to the Lib Dems? We have | :41:08. | :41:12. | |
always talked to the Lib Dems. I do not think that politics is as | :41:12. | :41:16. | |
partisan as you think. Simon and I have worked together run things and | :41:16. | :41:21. | |
Kwasi Kwarteng and I have not but I'm sure we will then the future. | :41:21. | :41:25. | |
The point is, we do not want to win an election in coalition. We want | :41:25. | :41:31. | |
to win outright. Understand. want to get back the things that | :41:31. | :41:34. | |
have been taken away from people over the last couple of years. | :41:34. | :41:37. | |
Nigel Farage said on this programme that he could not work with David | :41:37. | :41:42. | |
Cameron but he could with Michael Gove. How do you feel about that? | :41:42. | :41:47. | |
think I said it on this programme first. Grown-up politicians and | :41:47. | :41:49. | |
grown-up political parties speak. I made clear that we would struggle | :41:49. | :41:55. | |
to deal with David Cameron because particularly on the European issue, | :41:55. | :41:59. | |
he has given us guarantees, a referendum before had he cannot be | :41:59. | :42:03. | |
trusted. He has called us racists and Louise. Frankly, that is | :42:03. | :42:08. | |
offensive. What did he get drunk? think he got it all wrong. -- what | :42:08. | :42:16. | |
did he get wrong. He has a look back at Labour's problems this year. | :42:16. | :42:26. | |
:42:26. | :42:43. | ||
We oppose the cuts now but it would be irresponsible, three years from | :42:43. | :42:47. | |
a general election, for us to start making specific promises about what | :42:47. | :42:57. | |
:42:57. | :43:05. | ||
It is a matter of considerable personal shame what happened a | :43:05. | :43:10. | |
couple of weeks ago. I hereby declare that George Galloway is | :43:10. | :43:18. | |
Even people within Downing Street are calling it an omnishambles | :43:18. | :43:24. | |
budget. Given credit, he made history this week, with his very | :43:24. | :43:34. | |
:43:34. | :44:00. | ||
own words in the Oxford English One nation, a country where | :44:00. | :44:06. | |
everyone has a stake. One nation, a country where prosperity is fairly | :44:06. | :44:11. | |
shared. One nation were we have a shared destiny, a sense of shared | :44:11. | :44:18. | |
endeavour and a common life that we lead together. This government has | :44:18. | :44:23. | |
shown that cutting too far and too fast, self defeating austerity is | :44:23. | :44:32. | |
not the answer. The road to Downing Street runs through Corby. He does | :44:32. | :44:37. | |
not listen, he is out of touch and last Thursday, the people of Corby | :44:37. | :44:43. | |
spoke for the country. Last Thursday, the people Humberside | :44:43. | :44:48. | |
spoke for the whole nation. nearly got it. It would have been | :44:48. | :44:58. | |
:44:58. | :45:01. | ||
nice but it's not so. The people Ed Balls as Santa. That was | :45:01. | :45:05. | |
Labour's year. Which of the following is the odd one out? Each | :45:05. | :45:11. | |
of these images represent a of these images represent a | :45:11. | :45:18. | |
politician. Mr Bean... 8 powdered French aristocrat from 7090. -- | :45:18. | :45:22. | |
1790. Wallace from Wallace and Gromit and Harry Flashman. Which is | :45:22. | :45:32. | |
:45:32. | :45:41. | ||
Press your buzzer. I would go for the French aristocrat. Who does the | :45:41. | :45:51. | |
:45:51. | :45:54. | ||
aristocrat represent? Oliver Well, Mr Bean is obviously Gordon | :45:54. | :45:58. | |
Brown, as he was called that by Mr Cable. George Osborne is the | :45:58. | :46:05. | |
powdered aristocrat, so described by the Spectator. David Cameron is, | :46:05. | :46:11. | |
according to everybody, Flashman. And Wallace, you must get, at is Ed | :46:11. | :46:21. | |
:46:21. | :46:21. | ||
Miliband. Which is the odd one out? Why isn't the French aristocrat the | :46:21. | :46:25. | |
odd one out? The others are leaders. Did you come up with these | :46:25. | :46:30. | |
questions? Next year, could we get somebody who knows what they are | :46:30. | :46:33. | |
talking about? The answer is obviously Wallace, because Mr | :46:33. | :46:37. | |
Miliband was the only one who said he liked the character he was being | :46:38. | :46:47. | |
:46:48. | :46:48. | ||
named after. Does Cameron not like Flashman? I don't think so. And Mr | :46:48. | :46:52. | |
Osborne does not like being a pampered aristocrat, and Mr Cable | :46:52. | :47:00. | |
did not -- Mr Brown did not like being called Mr Bean by Mr Cable. | :47:00. | :47:05. | |
That worked very well. Are we going to have another question? Here is | :47:05. | :47:08. | |
another kick of George Osborne in action in the Commons. What | :47:08. | :47:13. | |
happened next? The public know there are no miracle cures, just be | :47:13. | :47:18. | |
hard work of dealing with our deficit and ensuring that Britain | :47:18. | :47:24. | |
wins the global race. That work is under way. The deficit is down. | :47:24. | :47:28. | |
Borrowing is down. Jobs are being created. It is a hard road, but we | :47:28. | :47:33. | |
are making progress. Everything we do, we are helping those who want | :47:33. | :47:43. | |
to work hard and get on. Thank you. What happened next? I will take a | :47:43. | :47:48. | |
guess. We went back into a recession? No., we went over to Ed | :47:48. | :47:57. | |
Balls, who completely fluffed his response. But close. Was that a | :47:57. | :48:02. | |
defining moment for Ed Balls, when he had such a poor response to the | :48:02. | :48:09. | |
Autumn Statement? It clearly did not work in the Commons. He then | :48:09. | :48:16. | |
went home and saw clips on the TV which were better. And some of the | :48:16. | :48:20. | |
arguments were perfectly reasonable. So it is interesting how the | :48:20. | :48:25. | |
political theatre can determine things. The commentators said it | :48:25. | :48:30. | |
was a poor performance. He was expecting the borrowing figure to | :48:30. | :48:36. | |
go up, and it didn't, and that was what through him. Because the | :48:36. | :48:44. | |
Chancellor massaged the figures. Whatever reason, he got it wrong. | :48:44. | :48:52. | |
It was a slow-motion car crash. actually, it has been good for Ed | :48:52. | :48:58. | |
Balls in a way, firstly because it was so unusual. He is normally one | :48:58. | :49:02. | |
of the strongest performers. But secondly, when he came out later | :49:02. | :49:07. | |
and said, I was wrong-footed by the figures, but I also had a stammer | :49:07. | :49:10. | |
and sometimes it gets the better of me, you saw a more human side to | :49:10. | :49:15. | |
him. We see it in private, but people do not often see it in | :49:15. | :49:20. | |
public. Britain slipped back into recession this year. It missed its | :49:20. | :49:26. | |
debt target. Austerity was extended to 2018. There have been all these | :49:26. | :49:30. | |
budget U-turns, and yet you could not really argue that people are | :49:30. | :49:37. | |
flocking to Labour because of its economic message. People are | :49:37. | :49:40. | |
definitely turning to Labour. We started the year level-pegging in | :49:40. | :49:45. | |
the polls. We finished 11 points ahead in the latest opinion poll. | :49:45. | :49:51. | |
It has been a good year for Labour. There is no argument about that. | :49:51. | :49:58. | |
But it has not... Nobody claimed it was a great year for the coalition. | :49:58. | :50:03. | |
Mike point to you is that there seems to be little attraction for | :50:03. | :50:09. | |
Labour's economic message. It has not been a good year for the people | :50:09. | :50:14. | |
we represent. Then you would think they would be rushing to you. | :50:14. | :50:18. | |
there is a sense of hopelessness and despair, partly caused by this | :50:18. | :50:23. | |
coalition's message that there are no other choices. Labour has to win | :50:23. | :50:29. | |
the argument not so much on the economy, although that is important, | :50:29. | :50:33. | |
but there are also different choices that can be made in a time | :50:33. | :50:38. | |
of austerity. The last time the Tories were in power, the mid-term | :50:38. | :50:46. | |
was 1990. What was Labour's lead in the polls then? I don't know. | :50:46. | :50:53. | |
were 24% ahead. And you then went on to lose the next election. | :50:53. | :50:57. | |
of the frustrating things is that this year, there have been some | :50:57. | :51:03. | |
good signs. Unemployment has gone down and new job creation has gone | :51:03. | :51:07. | |
up. But that has not percolated through to the general mood yet, | :51:07. | :51:12. | |
even though the individuals affected clearly have noticed. | :51:12. | :51:16. | |
commentators continue to assume that UKIP is getting the votes of | :51:16. | :51:20. | |
disillusioned Tories. Do you have evidence that you are also getting | :51:20. | :51:24. | |
the votes from people who are not buying into the Miliband and Ed | :51:24. | :51:28. | |
Balls Labour Party? The problem with Ed Balls is a bigger problem, | :51:28. | :51:33. | |
not just how he fluffed his lines. This guy was the bag-carrier for | :51:33. | :51:39. | |
Gordon Brown. I think they think people have short term and Nishi | :51:39. | :51:41. | |
and forget how they wrecked the economy. What is the answer to my | :51:42. | :51:48. | |
question? We took part in two by- elections in Labour areas, and we | :51:48. | :51:58. | |
:51:58. | :51:58. | ||
have got votes from both Conservative areas and Labour areas. | :51:58. | :52:01. | |
Finally, one of -- what have the other parties been up to during the | :52:01. | :52:11. | |
:52:11. | :52:35. | ||
Your MP, George Galloway! This is the Bradford Spring. Delegates, it | :52:35. | :52:43. | |
is game on for Scotland. It is time to me to become the first ever ex- | :52:43. | :52:47. | |
leader of the Green Party and to welcome onto the stage our new | :52:47. | :52:57. | |
:52:57. | :53:01. | ||
leader, Natalie Bennett. It is an honour to stand here today and a | :53:01. | :53:09. | |
dress you in my first leader's speech to our annual conference. | :53:09. | :53:13. | |
the Tories still exist in the North of England? They seem to be almost | :53:13. | :53:22. | |
disappearing. If UKIP don't stand against us at the next election, we | :53:22. | :53:27. | |
would give a firm undertaking to have an in-out referendum after | :53:27. | :53:31. | |
that election. It is not going to happen. UKIP are a different party | :53:31. | :53:41. | |
with a different manifesto. We will not be bought off by anybody. | :53:41. | :53:46. | |
more could you want? That was how 2012 treated that lot. What was the | :53:46. | :53:51. | |
answer to this question. Which of the following is the odd one out? | :53:51. | :54:01. | |
:54:01. | :54:07. | ||
Nigel Farage, Leanne Wood, Alex Salmond and Caroline Lucas? And | :54:07. | :54:11. | |
each of the others are leaders of their political party, and the | :54:11. | :54:17. | |
others have stood down. Correct! Let's move on. What happened next | :54:17. | :54:21. | |
when I asked Nigel Farage about you could expenses? | :54:21. | :54:26. | |
Take your deputy, Paul Nuttall. He is becoming a bit of a named. You | :54:26. | :54:31. | |
are no longer a one-man band. He has declared nothing from January | :54:31. | :54:36. | |
to July 2011. Surely that is not acceptable. He has to get his house | :54:36. | :54:41. | |
in order. Will you have a word with him? Are certainly well. I accept | :54:41. | :54:45. | |
that I am a few months late getting my stuff up, but I will do it. | :54:45. | :54:52. | |
did he have a word with you? affairs were up the following day. | :54:52. | :54:56. | |
Before you saw the programme. was just a bit of an administrative | :54:56. | :55:06. | |
cock-up on my part. You can go on my website and see it. We get | :55:06. | :55:09. | |
allowances rather than expenses. We don't have to declare anything, but | :55:09. | :55:14. | |
we do. The British MEPs will be more transparent than anybody else | :55:14. | :55:19. | |
in Europe. Not just in UKIP, but across the board, because of what | :55:19. | :55:23. | |
happened with the expenses scandal. And not just that, we play by the | :55:23. | :55:30. | |
rules. Chris Davies in our group has always been big on making sure | :55:30. | :55:34. | |
the European Parliament has a better job on transparency. For the | :55:34. | :55:43. | |
sake of this discussion, let's assume that you are the third party | :55:43. | :55:51. | |
of 2012. I am not accepting that! You know that. There is no evidence | :55:51. | :55:59. | |
space for that. We are the first party, presumably. What is on your | :55:59. | :56:05. | |
wish-list for 2013? To fight every county council election in 2013 and | :56:05. | :56:10. | |
then carry on growing membership and go on to win the European | :56:10. | :56:15. | |
elections in 2014. You are hoping to win the European elections in | :56:15. | :56:20. | |
2014. And by that, you mean getting the highest share of the vote. | :56:20. | :56:24. | |
sending the most MEPs of any British political party back to the | :56:24. | :56:28. | |
European Parliament and sending a message to the establishment that | :56:28. | :56:33. | |
UKIP has arrived. That is not totally inconceivable. If you look | :56:33. | :56:38. | |
at the last European election, UKIP did well. They came second. So to | :56:38. | :56:41. | |
come first is not the most extraordinary thing to happen. I | :56:41. | :56:45. | |
think it will be difficult. The Conservatives will be putting out a | :56:45. | :56:49. | |
list of very good candidates and will hope to do well. We will fight | :56:49. | :56:54. | |
you for every vote. The only reason we did not win it in 2009 is | :56:55. | :56:57. | |
because Cameron said, I will give you a cast-iron guarantee to give | :56:57. | :57:01. | |
you a referendum on Lisbon and then dropped it as soon as the European | :57:01. | :57:10. | |
election was over. If they come first, and the Lib Dems, a very | :57:10. | :57:15. | |
poor 4th or even 5th, it will be headless chicken time for both your | :57:15. | :57:19. | |
parties. The coalition would go into meltdown. You will be talking | :57:19. | :57:24. | |
of a new leader, and you will be wondering what kind of referendum | :57:24. | :57:27. | |
you can promise. For we don't know what will happen, there is a long | :57:27. | :57:32. | |
way to go. But European referendums have always been an opportunity for | :57:32. | :57:37. | |
public protest in my book. They should not be, but that is what did | :57:37. | :57:40. | |
they have been. It will not have anything to do with who runs | :57:40. | :57:46. | |
anything. But it could have an impact. Of course it could, and the | :57:46. | :57:51. | |
European issues are big issues which we have to address. And we | :57:51. | :57:58. | |
will in the months ahead. Let me give you the scores. Conservatives, | :57:58. | :58:07. | |
zero. Liberal Democrats, zero. Labour, one. UKIP, one. Sums up the | :58:07. | :58:13. | |
year. A new coalition in the making! A marriage made in heaven. | :58:13. | :58:17. | |
Thanks very much. That is it for the year. If the Mayans are right, | :58:17. | :58:27. |