08/03/2013 Daily Politics


08/03/2013

Andrew Neil with the latest political news, interviews and debate, including the future of the Falklands and the Liberal Democrat spring conference.


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Welcome to the Daily Politics, the Welcome to the Daily Politics, the

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Welcome to the Daily Politics, the Lib Dems are in a critical

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Lib Dems are in a critical Lib Dems are in a critical

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condition according to their party condition according to their party

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condition according to their party President Tim Farron. Don't worry,

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President Tim Farron. Don't worry, President Tim Farron. Don't worry,

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like cockroaches he said or Gloria like cockroaches he said or Gloria

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like cockroaches he said or Gloria Gaynor we say, they will survive.

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Gaynor we say, they will survive. Gaynor we say, they will survive.

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Gaynor we say, they will survive. We'll debate the state of the Lib

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We'll debate the state of the Lib We'll debate the state of the Lib

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Dems ahead of their Spring Dems ahead of their Spring

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Dems ahead of their Spring Conference this weekend. It's not

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Conference this weekend. It's not Conference this weekend. It's not

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Conference this weekend. It's not just the Lib Dems in gazing mode,

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just the Lib Dems in gazing mode, just the Lib Dems in gazing mode,

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senior Tories including a Home senior Tories including a Home

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senior Tories including a Home Secretary rumoured to be on

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Secretary rumoured to be on Secretary rumoured to be on

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manoeuvres will debate how the manoeuvres will debate how the

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manoeuvres will debate how the manoeuvres will debate how the

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party can win in 2015. We'll have a party can win in 2015. We'll have a

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party can win in 2015. We'll have a neek preview. There may be more

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neek preview. There may be more neek preview. There may be more

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women in Parliament these days, but women in Parliament these days, but

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women in Parliament these days, but women in Parliament these days, but

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there are big battles to be won. there are big battles to be won.

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there are big battles to be won. there are big battles to be won.

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It's likely to be the most one- It's likely to be the most one-

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It's likely to be the most one- sided electoral skier size since

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sided electoral skier size since Saddam Hussein tested public

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Saddam Hussein tested public Saddam Hussein tested public

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opinion in Ba'athist Iraq. So opinion in Ba'athist Iraq. So

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opinion in Ba'athist Iraq. So what's the point of the Falklands

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what's the point of the Falklands what's the point of the Falklands

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island referendum? All that in the island referendum? All that in the

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island referendum? All that in the next hour, action packed public

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 99 seconds

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I think one thing, though, is that I think one thing, though, is that

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I think one thing, though, is that I think one thing, though, is that

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I think some of the Tories will I think some of the Tories will

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I think some of the Tories will resent, who might otherwise be

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resent, who might otherwise be resent, who might otherwise be

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resent, who might otherwise be rather keen on doing a deal with

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rather keen on doing a deal with rather keen on doing a deal with

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UKIP at a general election, might UKIP at a general election, might

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UKIP at a general election, might resent Nigel Farage trying to take

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resent Nigel Farage trying to take resent Nigel Farage trying to take

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resent Nigel Farage trying to take a hand on who leads the Tory party.

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a hand on who leads the Tory party. a hand on who leads the Tory party.

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a hand on who leads the Tory party. I think that could be bad news for

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I think that could be bad news for I think that could be bad news for

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them. It might be another reason them. It might be another reason

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them. It might be another reason them. It might be another reason

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why a lot of backbenchers think Mr why a lot of backbenchers think Mr

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why a lot of backbenchers think Mr Cameron is in the way. Absolutely.

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Cameron is in the way. Absolutely. Cameron is in the way. Absolutely.

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Cameron is in the way. Absolutely. Keep coming back at Cameron is his

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Keep coming back at Cameron is his Keep coming back at Cameron is his

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remark about ewe kip... There are remark about ewe kip... There are

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remark about ewe kip... There are remark about ewe kip... There are

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some MPs on the right who prefer some MPs on the right who prefer

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some MPs on the right who prefer Nigel Farage to David Cameron, it's

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Nigel Farage to David Cameron, it's Nigel Farage to David Cameron, it's

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Nigel Farage to David Cameron, it's a fact. Chat to them, you hear it.

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a fact. Chat to them, you hear it. a fact. Chat to them, you hear it.

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a fact. Chat to them, you hear it. Not just on Europe. No, tax, public

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Not just on Europe. No, tax, public Not just on Europe. No, tax, public

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spending, across the board. He's a spending, across the board. He's a

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spending, across the board. He's a spending, across the board. He's a

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player now Mr Farage. It does mean player now Mr Farage. It does mean

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player now Mr Farage. It does mean Ed Miliband might be the fourth

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Ed Miliband might be the fourth Ed Miliband might be the fourth

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most interesting man in British most interesting man in British

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most interesting man in British politics after Cameron, Clegg and

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politics after Cameron, Clegg and politics after Cameron, Clegg and

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Farage. Mr Farage, you wouldn't go Farage. Mr Farage, you wouldn't go

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Farage. Mr Farage, you wouldn't go on this morning, he is usually

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on this morning, he is usually on this morning, he is usually

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on this morning, he is usually quite keen. We wanted to hear all

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quite keen. We wanted to hear all quite keen. We wanted to hear all

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about it. He's probably got a about it. He's probably got a

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about it. He's probably got a hangover after his night on the

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hangover after his night on the hangover after his night on the

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town. Which insect would you town. Which insect would you

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town. Which insect would you compare the Liberal Democrats to? I

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compare the Liberal Democrats to? I compare the Liberal Democrats to? I

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compare the Liberal Democrats to? I know what I would, a lovely bright

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know what I would, a lovely bright coloured ladybird. Or something

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coloured ladybird. Or something coloured ladybird. Or something

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yellow and black that could sting yellow and black that could sting

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yellow and black that could sting yellow and black that could sting

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you, like a wasp. But it's none of you, like a wasp. But it's none of

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you, like a wasp. But it's none of you, like a wasp. But it's none of

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these if the ask the Lib Dems these if the ask the Lib Dems

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these if the ask the Lib Dems themselves. It's an insect which is

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themselves. It's an insect which is themselves. It's an insect which is

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nocturnal and rather repulsive, the nocturnal and rather repulsive, the

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humble cockroach. There's Tim humble cockroach. There's Tim

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humble cockroach. There's Tim humble cockroach. There's Tim

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Farron, who made the comments in an Farron, who made the comments in an

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Farron, who made the comments in an interview with the House magazine.

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interview with the House magazine. interview with the House magazine.

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It's a comparison made before It's a comparison made before

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It's a comparison made before because the Lib Dems are supposed

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because the Lib Dems are supposed because the Lib Dems are supposed

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because the Lib Dems are supposed to be good at survival, like the

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to be good at survival, like the to be good at survival, like the

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cockroach after a nuclear winter. cockroach after a nuclear winter.

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cockroach after a nuclear winter. cockroach after a nuclear winter.

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He's also said that the Lib Dems He's also said that the Lib Dems

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He's also said that the Lib Dems are in a critical state, adding,

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are in a critical state, adding, are in a critical state, adding,

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are in a critical state, adding, "One day someone will stand on us

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"One day someone will stand on us "One day someone will stand on us

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if we're not careful. We shouldn't if we're not careful. We shouldn't

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if we're not careful. We shouldn't assume our survival is guaranteed."

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assume our survival is guaranteed." assume our survival is guaranteed."

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This interview was carried out This interview was carried out

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This interview was carried out before the Eastleigh win. Some in

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before the Eastleigh win. Some in before the Eastleigh win. Some in

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before the Eastleigh win. Some in the party may feel they don't need

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the party may feel they don't need the party may feel they don't need

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the party may feel they don't need to retreat under the sofa just yet.

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to retreat under the sofa just yet. to retreat under the sofa just yet.

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to retreat under the sofa just yet. But one poll this morning shows the

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But one poll this morning shows the But one poll this morning shows the

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But one poll this morning shows the scale of the comal eng still facing

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scale of the comal eng still facing scale of the comal eng still facing

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the -- challenge still facing the the -- challenge still facing the

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the -- challenge still facing the leader. There was an opinion poll

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leader. There was an opinion poll leader. There was an opinion poll

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leader. There was an opinion poll which show that's less than a third

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which show that's less than a third which show that's less than a third

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which show that's less than a third of those who backed the Lib Dems in

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of those who backed the Lib Dems in of those who backed the Lib Dems in

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of those who backed the Lib Dems in 2010 in the election then would do

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2010 in the election then would do 2010 in the election then would do

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so if there was an election so if there was an election

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so if there was an election tomorrow. The party's had a few

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tomorrow. The party's had a few tomorrow. The party's had a few

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turbulent weeks, with Chris Huhne turbulent weeks, with Chris Huhne

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turbulent weeks, with Chris Huhne turbulent weeks, with Chris Huhne

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and his wife, or ex-wife facing a and his wife, or ex-wife facing a

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and his wife, or ex-wife facing a prison sentence over a criminal

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prison sentence over a criminal prison sentence over a criminal

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attempt to hide the former Energy attempt to hide the former Energy

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Women's Day. The allegations have to Women's Day. The allegations have to

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Women's Day. The allegations have to be addressed of sexual impropriety

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be addressed of sexual impropriety be addressed of sexual impropriety

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against former chief executive Lord against former chief executive Lord

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against former chief executive Lord rendered. Should be an interesting

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rendered. Should be an interesting rendered. Should be an interesting

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Lib Dem spring conference! Is your Lib Dem spring conference! Is your

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Lib Dem spring conference! Is your party in a critical condition?

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party in a critical condition? party in a critical condition?

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trouble with metaphors is that they trouble with metaphors is that they

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trouble with metaphors is that they trouble with metaphors is that they

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can be interpreted in a variety of can be interpreted in a variety of

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can be interpreted in a variety of ways. You could rewrite the script

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ways. You could rewrite the script ways. You could rewrite the script

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ways. You could rewrite the script the other way round, which says if

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the other way round, which says if the other way round, which says if

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you are a government party with you are a government party with

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you are a government party with term, with all those anxious and

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term, with all those anxious and term, with all those anxious and

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term, with all those anxious and awkward cloud sitting on top of you

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awkward cloud sitting on top of you awkward cloud sitting on top of you

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and you win a by-election, something and you win a by-election, something

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and you win a by-election, something and you win a by-election, something

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must be going right for you and must be going right for you and

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must be going right for you and must be going right for you and

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there is hope for the future. That there is hope for the future. That

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there is hope for the future. That there is hope for the future. That

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is what this sense for the party is what this sense for the party

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is what this sense for the party is what this sense for the party

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will be. I find it interesting, it will be. I find it interesting, it

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will be. I find it interesting, it will be. I find it interesting, it

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is not a compliment to analogy, so is not a compliment to analogy, so

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is not a compliment to analogy, so it is interesting that your own

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it is interesting that your own it is interesting that your own

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president would use what is regarded president would use what is regarded

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president would use what is regarded president would use what is regarded

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as a criticism of yourself by the as a criticism of yourself by the

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as a criticism of yourself by the as a criticism of yourself by the

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Tories. He used it before all stock Tories. He used it before all stock

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Tories. He used it before all stock Tories. He used it before all stock

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it was picked up by the Tories and it was picked up by the Tories and

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it was picked up by the Tories and he turned it back on itself.

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he turned it back on itself. he turned it back on itself.

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Metaphors get in your way sometimes. Metaphors get in your way sometimes.

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Metaphors get in your way sometimes. Only journalists get away with using

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Only journalists get away with using Only journalists get away with using

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them. But separate from the them. But separate from the

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them. But separate from the cockroach metaphor was the question

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cockroach metaphor was the question cockroach metaphor was the question

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cockroach metaphor was the question I asked you at the beginning. He

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I asked you at the beginning. He I asked you at the beginning. He

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I asked you at the beginning. He said the party was in a critical

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said the party was in a critical said the party was in a critical

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said the party was in a critical state. In the rest of the article,

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state. In the rest of the article, state. In the rest of the article,

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he said there are great challenges he said there are great challenges

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he said there are great challenges he said there are great challenges

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for our party, but we are in beta for our party, but we are in beta

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for our party, but we are in beta mode after Eastleigh. We won a

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mode after Eastleigh. We won a mode after Eastleigh. We won a

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mode after Eastleigh. We won a by-election. We know we are going in

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by-election. We know we are going in by-election. We know we are going in

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the right direction. As Mark Twain the right direction. As Mark Twain

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the right direction. As Mark Twain the right direction. As Mark Twain

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said, don't write us off yet, we are said, don't write us off yet, we are

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said, don't write us off yet, we are said, don't write us off yet, we are

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not dead. But did Mark Twain write not dead. But did Mark Twain write

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not dead. But did Mark Twain write not dead. But did Mark Twain write

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about the Lib Dems? The estimates of about the Lib Dems? The estimates of

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about the Lib Dems? The estimates of my death are much exaggerated, he

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my death are much exaggerated, he my death are much exaggerated, he

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wrote. He also satellite goes wrote. He also satellite goes

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wrote. He also satellite goes halfway round the world before the

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halfway round the world before the halfway round the world before the

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halfway round the world before the truth has got its boots on. See,

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truth has got its boots on. See, truth has got its boots on. See,

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there are lots of metaphors around. there are lots of metaphors around.

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there are lots of metaphors around. there are lots of metaphors around.

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But we won a by-election in very But we won a by-election in very

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But we won a by-election in very But we won a by-election in very

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difficult times, and that puts us in difficult times, and that puts us in

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difficult times, and that puts us in an up beat mood. There are

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an up beat mood. There are an up beat mood. There are

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undoubtedly issues to clarify. undoubtedly issues to clarify.

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undoubtedly issues to clarify. undoubtedly issues to clarify.

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do you make of this poll by Michael do you make of this poll by Michael

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do you make of this poll by Michael Ashcroft which discovers that only

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Ashcroft which discovers that only Ashcroft which discovers that only

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Ashcroft which discovers that only 29% of those who voted for you in

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29% of those who voted for you in 29% of those who voted for you in

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29% of those who voted for you in 2010 would do so again? We have had

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2010 would do so again? We have had 2010 would do so again? We have had

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this before. People have said we this before. People have said we

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this before. People have said we will never survive, it is

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will never survive, it is will never survive, it is

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impossible. The reality is, when it impossible. The reality is, when it

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impossible. The reality is, when it comes to the real challenge that

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comes to the real challenge that comes to the real challenge that

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comes to the real challenge that people have to face up to who they

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people have to face up to who they people have to face up to who they

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people have to face up to who they want as their next MP, then they

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want as their next MP, then they want as their next MP, then they

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want as their next MP, then they make that decision. That is when the

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make that decision. That is when the make that decision. That is when the

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make that decision. That is when the reality hits in, and it has always

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reality hits in, and it has always reality hits in, and it has always

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reality hits in, and it has always been the case that we have outvoted

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been the case that we have outvoted been the case that we have outvoted

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all the predictions people have all the predictions people have

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all the predictions people have made. We have been talking about

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made. We have been talking about made. We have been talking about

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Theresa May's manoeuvres. When you Theresa May's manoeuvres. When you

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Theresa May's manoeuvres. When you have a party president who uses

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have a party president who uses have a party president who uses

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words like" we are cockroaches", it words like" we are cockroaches", it

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words like" we are cockroaches", it words like" we are cockroaches", it

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is hard not to conclude that Tim is hard not to conclude that Tim

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is hard not to conclude that Tim Farron is on manoeuvres as well,

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Farron is on manoeuvres as well, Farron is on manoeuvres as well,

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playing for position. Those are playing for position. Those are

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playing for position. Those are playing for position. Those are

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questions you would have to put to questions you would have to put to

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questions you would have to put to him. Personally, I think he is

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him. Personally, I think he is him. Personally, I think he is

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trying to make sure the Liberal trying to make sure the Liberal

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trying to make sure the Liberal trying to make sure the Liberal

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Democrats are at the top of the Democrats are at the top of the

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Democrats are at the top of the headlines, and he's using the

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headlines, and he's using the headlines, and he's using the

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headlines, and he's using the language he uses so well to make

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language he uses so well to make language he uses so well to make

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sure that happens. You get headlines sure that happens. You get headlines

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sure that happens. You get headlines sure that happens. You get headlines

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by saying we are in a critical by saying we are in a critical

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by saying we are in a critical state? The cockroaches reference has

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state? The cockroaches reference has brought great amusement to

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brought great amusement to brought great amusement to

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everybody, because it is reflecting everybody, because it is reflecting

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back something the Conservatives back something the Conservatives

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back something the Conservatives used against them. But people are

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used against them. But people are used against them. But people are

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laughing at you, not with you. laughing at you, not with you.

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laughing at you, not with you. People don't like cockroaches. To

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People don't like cockroaches. To People don't like cockroaches. To

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People don't like cockroaches. To compare yourself to one is barmy.

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compare yourself to one is barmy. compare yourself to one is barmy.

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compare yourself to one is barmy. did not say it was a metaphor I

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did not say it was a metaphor I did not say it was a metaphor I

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would use. It is colourful language. would use. It is colourful language.

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would use. It is colourful language. would use. It is colourful language.

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But he is the sort of person who But he is the sort of person who

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But he is the sort of person who uses those metaphors. All people

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uses those metaphors. All people uses those metaphors. All people

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uses those metaphors. All people want to do with cockroaches is get

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want to do with cockroaches is get want to do with cockroaches is get

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want to do with cockroaches is get rid of them! Well, he was saying

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rid of them! Well, he was saying rid of them! Well, he was saying

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rid of them! Well, he was saying they hang on and they will carry on

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they hang on and they will carry on they hang on and they will carry on

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they hang on and they will carry on and cannot be removed. It is not a

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and cannot be removed. It is not a and cannot be removed. It is not a

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metaphor I would collectively use, metaphor I would collectively use,

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metaphor I would collectively use, metaphor I would collectively use,

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but he has reversed it from the way but he has reversed it from the way

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but he has reversed it from the way but he has reversed it from the way

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it was used by the Conservatives. it was used by the Conservatives.

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it was used by the Conservatives. it was used by the Conservatives.

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Farren also said Mr Cameron was a Farren also said Mr Cameron was a

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Farren also said Mr Cameron was a Farren also said Mr Cameron was a

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weak Prime Minister and in the grasp weak Prime Minister and in the grasp

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weak Prime Minister and in the grasp weak Prime Minister and in the grasp

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of the right of his party. Would you of the right of his party. Would you

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agree? Since the beastly Eastleigh by-election! It was

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Eastleigh by-election! It was Eastleigh by-election! It was

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Eastleigh by-election! It was beastly for Cameron! But if you take

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beastly for Cameron! But if you take beastly for Cameron! But if you take

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beastly for Cameron! But if you take the fact that he said he would not

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the fact that he said he would not the fact that he said he would not

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react to the situation, in reality, react to the situation, in reality,

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react to the situation, in reality, react to the situation, in reality,

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there are predators on the right who there are predators on the right who

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there are predators on the right who were gnawing away at his authority.

:11:50.:11:51.

were gnawing away at his authority. were gnawing away at his authority.

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There are certainly plenty of people There are certainly plenty of people

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There are certainly plenty of people There are certainly plenty of people

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who will talk openly about the fact who will talk openly about the fact

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who will talk openly about the fact that they don't like the direction

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that they don't like the direction that they don't like the direction

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the Conservative party has taken. the Conservative party has taken.

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the Conservative party has taken. the Conservative party has taken.

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the Conservative party has taken. Why is it only the Lib Dems who give

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Why is it only the Lib Dems who give Why is it only the Lib Dems who give

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Why is it only the Lib Dems who give us a sex scandal that does not

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us a sex scandal that does not us a sex scandal that does not

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us a sex scandal that does not involve any sex? I don't know! There

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involve any sex? I don't know! There involve any sex? I don't know! There

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must be something buried somewhere. must be something buried somewhere.

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must be something buried somewhere. must be something buried somewhere.

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There is a big issue for us in There is a big issue for us in

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There is a big issue for us in There is a big issue for us in

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ensuring that we make sure we get to ensuring that we make sure we get to

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ensuring that we make sure we get to ensuring that we make sure we get to

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the bottom of this. It is a serious the bottom of this. It is a serious

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the bottom of this. It is a serious the bottom of this. It is a serious

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issue. You are only doing it because issue. You are only doing it because

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issue. You are only doing it because issue. You are only doing it because

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the press wrote it to the public's the press wrote it to the public's

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the press wrote it to the public's attention. The party were right to

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attention. The party were right to attention. The party were right to

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attention. The party were right to make sure we get to the bottom of

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make sure we get to the bottom of make sure we get to the bottom of

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make sure we get to the bottom of this. But they did not act when the

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this. But they did not act when the this. But they did not act when the

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allegations were made. The real allegations were made. The real

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allegations were made. The real allegations were made. The real

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issue is not getting to the bottom issue is not getting to the bottom

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issue is not getting to the bottom issue is not getting to the bottom

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of who put whose hands on whose of who put whose hands on whose

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of who put whose hands on whose knees, the difficulty for the Lib

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knees, the difficulty for the Lib knees, the difficulty for the Lib

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knees, the difficulty for the Lib Dems is that you have been trying to

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Dems is that you have been trying to Dems is that you have been trying to

:12:43.:12:43.

establish yourself as a serious establish yourself as a serious

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establish yourself as a serious establish yourself as a serious

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party of government, and now you are party of government, and now you are

:12:49.:12:50.

party of government, and now you are bickering over who has been doing

:12:50.:12:50.

bickering over who has been doing bickering over who has been doing

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bickering over who has been doing what to whom, who is going to

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what to whom, who is going to what to whom, who is going to

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prison, what the investigation will prison, what the investigation will

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prison, what the investigation will find out. It is all trivial

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find out. It is all trivial find out. It is all trivial

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occurring, all the things the public occurring, all the things the public

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occurring, all the things the public occurring, all the things the public

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hate about politics. I agree. But as hate about politics. I agree. But as

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hate about politics. I agree. But as hate about politics. I agree. But as

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with all things, once you start to with all things, once you start to

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with all things, once you start to with all things, once you start to

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put them right and once you get put them right and once you get

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put them right and once you get these issues clarified, these things

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these issues clarified, these things these issues clarified, these things

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pass away because they are resolved. pass away because they are resolved.

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pass away because they are resolved. pass away because they are resolved.

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There will be a resolution to both There will be a resolution to both

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There will be a resolution to both There will be a resolution to both

:13:19.:13:22.

of these issues. But it is trivial. of these issues. But it is trivial.

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of these issues. But it is trivial. Well, the stuff about Lord rendered

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Well, the stuff about Lord rendered Well, the stuff about Lord rendered

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Well, the stuff about Lord rendered is about an abuse of power. They

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is about an abuse of power. They is about an abuse of power. They

:13:29.:13:32.

felt he was intimidating. Then you felt he was intimidating. Then you

:13:32.:13:33.

felt he was intimidating. Then you get the party president talking

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get the party president talking get the party president talking

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about cockroaches. Then there was about cockroaches. Then there was

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about cockroaches. Then there was about cockroaches. Then there was

:13:36.:13:38.

who knew what, when and where about who knew what, when and where about

:13:39.:13:39.

who knew what, when and where about who knew what, when and where about

:13:39.:13:40.

Vince Cable and Nick Clegg. Are you Vince Cable and Nick Clegg. Are you

:13:40.:13:41.

Vince Cable and Nick Clegg. Are you Vince Cable and Nick Clegg. Are you

:13:41.:13:43.

going to have an enquiry into that? going to have an enquiry into that?

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going to have an enquiry into that? going to have an enquiry into that?

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The reality about the third issue is The reality about the third issue is

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The reality about the third issue is that those people accused have

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that those people accused have that those people accused have

:13:51.:13:52.

that those people accused have denied it and said there did not

:13:52.:13:53.

denied it and said there did not denied it and said there did not

:13:53.:13:54.

know anything. When somebody has know anything. When somebody has

:13:54.:13:55.

know anything. When somebody has know anything. When somebody has

:13:55.:13:56.

pleaded not guilty to a crime, right pleaded not guilty to a crime, right

:13:56.:13:57.

pleaded not guilty to a crime, right pleaded not guilty to a crime, right

:13:57.:13:58.

the way through to the last minute, the way through to the last minute,

:13:58.:13:58.

the way through to the last minute, the way through to the last minute,

:13:58.:13:59.

you would expect that does not turn you would expect that does not turn

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you would expect that does not turn round and say to somebody else,

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round and say to somebody else, round and say to somebody else,

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actually... They all use this famous actually... They all use this famous

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actually... They all use this famous phrase we heard in the Leveson

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phrase we heard in the Leveson phrase we heard in the Leveson

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Inquiry, I don't recollect. That is Inquiry, I don't recollect. That is

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Inquiry, I don't recollect. That is different from saying no, they never

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different from saying no, they never different from saying no, they never

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different from saying no, they never told me that. It is only because

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told me that. It is only because told me that. It is only because

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told me that. It is only because they are trying to make sure that if

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they are trying to make sure that if they are trying to make sure that if

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they are trying to make sure that if they have to go back to their

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they have to go back to their they have to go back to their

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they have to go back to their files, to make sure you are right.

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files, to make sure you are right. files, to make sure you are right.

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files, to make sure you are right. If Mrs hoon had told you, my husband

:14:28.:14:28.

If Mrs hoon had told you, my husband If Mrs hoon had told you, my husband

:14:28.:14:30.

made me take his speeding points, made me take his speeding points,

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made me take his speeding points, you would have remembered that. You

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you would have remembered that. You you would have remembered that. You

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would not have said, I can't would not have said, I can't

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would not have said, I can't recollect. If you don't remember it,

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recollect. If you don't remember it, recollect. If you don't remember it,

:14:38.:14:39.

recollect. If you don't remember it, it you don't remember it, so it

:14:39.:14:41.

it you don't remember it, so it it you don't remember it, so it

:14:41.:14:43.

didn't happen. Not really, it could didn't happen. Not really, it could

:14:43.:14:43.

didn't happen. Not really, it could have happened, you have just

:14:43.:14:48.

have happened, you have just have happened, you have just

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forgotten. It is something you would forgotten. It is something you would

:14:49.:14:50.

forgotten. It is something you would have remembered. If you don't

:14:50.:14:51.

have remembered. If you don't have remembered. If you don't

:14:51.:14:52.

remember, it didn't happen. remember, it didn't happen.

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remember, it didn't happen. remember, it didn't happen.

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should not be a minister if you should not be a minister if you

:14:54.:14:56.

should not be a minister if you can't remember something like that!

:14:56.:15:00.

can't remember something like that! can't remember something like that!

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Prime ministers and repeated prime Prime ministers and repeated prime

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ministers and government ministers ministers and government ministers

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ministers and government ministers ministers and government ministers

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ministers and government ministers of all sorts have to use the sort of

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of all sorts have to use the sort of of all sorts have to use the sort of

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language which is not the colourful language which is not the colourful

:15:07.:15:17.
:15:17.:15:22.

metaphors but party president stews.

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stews. stews.

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It is International Women's Day It is International Women's Day

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It is International Women's Day It is International Women's Day

:15:28.:15:29.

today and it is a time that even today and it is a time that even

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today and it is a time that even Tory MPs are asking questions. Here

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Tory MPs are asking questions. Here is unlikely feminist Mark

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is unlikely feminist Mark is unlikely feminist Mark

:15:38.:15:39.

Pritchard, raising the subject with Pritchard, raising the subject with

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Pritchard, raising the subject with Pritchard, raising the subject with

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David Cameron. On the 8th of March, David Cameron. On the 8th of March,

:15:42.:15:43.

we celebrate International Women's we celebrate International Women's

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we celebrate International Women's Day. With the prime minister jointly

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Day. With the prime minister jointly Day. With the prime minister jointly

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in calling upon the Indian and in calling upon the Indian and

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in calling upon the Indian and Pakistani governments to do more to

:15:49.:15:49.

Pakistani governments to do more to Pakistani governments to do more to

:15:50.:15:51.

Pakistani governments to do more to uphold the rights of women and to

:15:51.:15:55.

uphold the rights of women and to uphold the rights of women and to

:15:55.:15:56.

advance the gender agenda? advance the gender agenda?

:15:56.:15:57.

advance the gender agenda? honourable friend is right to raise

:15:57.:15:59.

honourable friend is right to raise honourable friend is right to raise

:15:59.:16:00.

this. There are some particular this. There are some particular

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this. There are some particular this. There are some particular

:16:03.:16:04.

issues we should focus on, and that issues we should focus on, and that

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issues we should focus on, and that is female genital mutilation, a

:16:06.:16:06.

is female genital mutilation, a completely unacceptable practice

:16:06.:16:07.

completely unacceptable practice completely unacceptable practice

:16:07.:16:09.

completely unacceptable practice that we need to deal with across the

:16:09.:16:10.

that we need to deal with across the that we need to deal with across the

:16:10.:16:11.

that we need to deal with across the world, but including here in the UK,

:16:11.:16:12.

world, but including here in the UK, world, but including here in the UK,

:16:12.:16:13.

and we will make an announcement and we will make an announcement

:16:13.:16:14.

and we will make an announcement and we will make an announcement

:16:14.:16:14.

about that. But we should also do about that. But we should also do

:16:14.:16:17.

about that. But we should also do more to crack down on the

:16:17.:16:18.

more to crack down on the unacceptable practice of forced

:16:18.:16:21.

unacceptable practice of forced marriages. There are forced

:16:21.:16:22.

marriages. There are forced marriages. There are forced

:16:23.:16:24.

marriages taking place here with marriages taking place here with

:16:24.:16:26.

marriages taking place here with marriages taking place here with

:16:26.:16:28.

people from the UK, and we need to stop it.

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stop it. stop it.

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We are joined to discuss We are joined to discuss

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We are joined to discuss International Women's Day and a

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International Women's Day and a International Women's Day and a

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future of feminism by Laura Bates future of feminism by Laura Bates

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future of feminism by Laura Bates from the Everyday Sexism project and

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from the Everyday Sexism project and from the Everyday Sexism project and

:16:41.:16:42.

academic Catherine Hakim. Let's look academic Catherine Hakim. Let's look

:16:42.:16:43.

academic Catherine Hakim. Let's look academic Catherine Hakim. Let's look

:16:43.:16:43.

at the position of women in Britain at the position of women in Britain

:16:43.:16:44.

at the position of women in Britain at the position of women in Britain

:16:44.:16:47.

to begin with and move on to the to begin with and move on to the

:16:47.:16:48.

to begin with and move on to the wider situation. Is feminism still a

:16:48.:16:51.

wider situation. Is feminism still a wider situation. Is feminism still a

:16:51.:16:52.

relevant agenda with much still to relevant agenda with much still to

:16:52.:16:56.

relevant agenda with much still to relevant agenda with much still to

:16:56.:16:57.

achieve in Britain in 2013? I have achieve in Britain in 2013? I have

:16:57.:16:58.

achieve in Britain in 2013? I have always taken the view that feminism

:16:58.:16:59.

always taken the view that feminism always taken the view that feminism

:16:59.:17:00.

always taken the view that feminism always taken the view that feminism

:17:00.:17:01.

is here to stay in the sense that it is here to stay in the sense that it

:17:01.:17:03.

informs young women's attitudes informs young women's attitudes

:17:03.:17:04.

informs young women's attitudes which take their rights for granted.

:17:04.:17:05.

which take their rights for granted. which take their rights for granted.

:17:05.:17:07.

which take their rights for granted. They feel they have a voice and a

:17:07.:17:10.

They feel they have a voice and a They feel they have a voice and a

:17:10.:17:11.

They feel they have a voice and a place in public life. In that sense,

:17:11.:17:11.

place in public life. In that sense, place in public life. In that sense,

:17:11.:17:13.

place in public life. In that sense, it lives on and is permanent. But as

:17:13.:17:16.

it lives on and is permanent. But as it lives on and is permanent. But as

:17:16.:17:18.

it lives on and is permanent. But as a social movement, it is aired in

:17:18.:17:18.

a social movement, it is aired in a social movement, it is aired in

:17:18.:17:19.

a social movement, it is aired in the sense that very few young women

:17:19.:17:22.

the sense that very few young women the sense that very few young women

:17:22.:17:23.

nowadays think it has anything to nowadays think it has anything to

:17:23.:17:25.

nowadays think it has anything to say to them personally. Laura

:17:25.:17:28.

say to them personally. Laura say to them personally. Laura

:17:28.:17:29.

say to them personally. Laura Bates? I think you are wrong. I have

:17:29.:17:30.

Bates? I think you are wrong. I have Bates? I think you are wrong. I have

:17:30.:17:31.

Bates? I think you are wrong. I have been going up and down the week

:17:31.:17:41.
:17:41.:17:50.

been going up and down the week look at facts in a wider context.

:17:50.:17:51.

look at facts in a wider context. look at facts in a wider context.

:17:51.:17:53.

look at facts in a wider context. At the moment we have an equalities

:17:53.:17:55.

At the moment we have an equalities commission which is about

:17:55.:17:57.

commission which is about preventing discrimination not just

:17:57.:17:58.

preventing discrimination not just preventing discrimination not just

:17:58.:17:59.

against women but against everybody. against women but against everybody.

:17:59.:18:03.

against women but against everybody. against women but against everybody.

:18:03.:18:04.

They carried out a survey to and They carried out a survey to and

:18:04.:18:06.

They carried out a survey to and asked, "Do you feel discriminated

:18:06.:18:07.

asked, "Do you feel discriminated asked, "Do you feel discriminated

:18:07.:18:08.

against?" About half of all women against?" About half of all women

:18:08.:18:12.

against?" About half of all women against?" About half of all women

:18:12.:18:14.

said yes. That was publicised as a said yes. That was publicised as a

:18:14.:18:15.

said yes. That was publicised as a major finding. They were a bit

:18:15.:18:16.

major finding. They were a bit major finding. They were a bit

:18:16.:18:18.

dishonest. They didn't tell you the dishonest. They didn't tell you the

:18:18.:18:19.

dishonest. They didn't tell you the rest of the results. The results

:18:19.:18:20.

rest of the results. The results rest of the results. The results

:18:20.:18:21.

rest of the results. The results also showed that half of all men

:18:21.:18:23.

also showed that half of all men also showed that half of all men

:18:23.:18:24.

feel discriminated against. Half of feel discriminated against. Half of

:18:24.:18:26.

all whites feel discriminated all whites feel discriminated

:18:26.:18:28.

all whites feel discriminated all whites feel discriminated

:18:28.:18:29.

against. As well as half of All against. As well as half of All

:18:29.:18:31.

against. As well as half of All Blacks. If we're all being

:18:31.:18:32.

Blacks. If we're all being discriminated against, who's doing

:18:32.:18:35.

discriminated against, who's doing the discriminating? We're talking

:18:35.:18:36.

the discriminating? We're talking the discriminating? We're talking

:18:36.:18:37.

about a level playing field. When about a level playing field. When

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about a level playing field. When about a level playing field. When

:18:39.:18:40.

you go to the new societies and you go to the new societies and

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you go to the new societies and younger women getting involved in

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younger women getting involved in younger women getting involved in

:18:43.:18:45.

the feminist movement what are the the feminist movement what are the

:18:45.:18:46.

the feminist movement what are the headlines of the agenda today? We

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headlines of the agenda today? We headlines of the agenda today? We

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headlines of the agenda today? We know what the headlines were in the

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know what the headlines were in the know what the headlines were in the

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know what the headlines were in the 60s and 70s. Some of that has been

:18:50.:18:52.

60s and 70s. Some of that has been 60s and 70s. Some of that has been

:18:52.:18:54.

achieved. What is a feminist agenda achieved. What is a feminist agenda

:18:54.:18:55.

achieved. What is a feminist agenda achieved. What is a feminist agenda

:18:55.:18:56.

in Britain for the 21st century? in Britain for the 21st century?

:18:56.:18:58.

certainly think it's really certainly think it's really

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certainly think it's really important that I absolutely cannot

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important that I absolutely cannot important that I absolutely cannot

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agree that feminism has no further agree that feminism has no further

:19:02.:19:03.

agree that feminism has no further agree that feminism has no further

:19:04.:19:05.

to go and equality hasn't been won. to go and equality hasn't been won.

:19:05.:19:07.

to go and equality hasn't been won. That's the headline point. These

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That's the headline point. These That's the headline point. These

:19:08.:19:09.

young women are standing up and young women are standing up and

:19:09.:19:10.

young women are standing up and saying it's time for equal

:19:10.:19:11.

saying it's time for equal representation in Parliament. It's

:19:11.:19:12.

representation in Parliament. It's time to achieve better

:19:12.:19:14.

time to achieve better time to achieve better

:19:14.:19:15.

representation at the tops of big representation at the tops of big

:19:15.:19:17.

representation at the tops of big business abouts. Young women are

:19:17.:19:17.

business abouts. Young women are business abouts. Young women are

:19:18.:19:19.

standing up about things which standing up about things which

:19:19.:19:20.

standing up about things which impact on them individually. Huge

:19:20.:19:21.

impact on them individually. Huge impact on them individually. Huge

:19:21.:19:22.

impact on them individually. Huge numbers of huge girls and women at

:19:22.:19:23.

numbers of huge girls and women at numbers of huge girls and women at

:19:23.:19:24.

university have been writing in university have been writing in

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university have been writing in saying I've had enough of being

:19:25.:19:26.

saying I've had enough of being saying I've had enough of being

:19:26.:19:26.

saying I've had enough of being shouted at in the street. I've had

:19:26.:19:28.

shouted at in the street. I've had shouted at in the street. I've had

:19:28.:19:28.

shouted at in the street. I've had shouted at in the street. I've had

:19:28.:19:30.

enough of going to a bar or a club enough of going to a bar or a club

:19:30.:19:31.

enough of going to a bar or a club and actually having strangers come

:19:31.:19:32.

and actually having strangers come and actually having strangers come

:19:32.:19:32.

and actually having strangers come up and feel they have the right to

:19:33.:19:34.

up and feel they have the right to up and feel they have the right to

:19:34.:19:36.

touch me and grope me. We've touch me and grope me. We've

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collected 25,000 women's collected 25,000 women's

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collected 25,000 women's experiences of that kind of thing.

:19:38.:19:40.

experiences of that kind of thing. experiences of that kind of thing.

:19:40.:19:40.

experiences of that kind of thing. Maybe they shouldn't go to Lib Dem

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Maybe they shouldn't go to Lib Dem conferences! It's interesting

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conferences! It's interesting conferences! It's interesting

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that's the issues that you're that's the issues that you're

:19:48.:19:49.

that's the issues that you're talking about and that's been an

:19:49.:19:49.

talking about and that's been an talking about and that's been an

:19:50.:19:52.

issue for women throughout the ages. issue for women throughout the ages.

:19:52.:19:54.

issue for women throughout the ages. issue for women throughout the ages.

:19:54.:19:55.

But on the issues of you're still But on the issues of you're still

:19:55.:20:00.

But on the issues of you're still way under represented in Parliament.

:20:00.:20:01.

way under represented in Parliament. way under represented in Parliament.

:20:02.:20:03.

On company, corporate boards you're On company, corporate boards you're

:20:03.:20:05.

On company, corporate boards you're way under represented as well. Are

:20:05.:20:06.

way under represented as well. Are way under represented as well. Are

:20:06.:20:07.

these issues that matter to younger these issues that matter to younger

:20:07.:20:08.

these issues that matter to younger these issues that matter to younger

:20:08.:20:09.

people as well as it being safe to people as well as it being safe to

:20:09.:20:10.

people as well as it being safe to people as well as it being safe to

:20:10.:20:11.

go to a pub and have a drink go to a pub and have a drink

:20:11.:20:13.

without being pestered? Absolutely. without being pestered? Absolutely.

:20:13.:20:14.

without being pestered? Absolutely. I think these things are filtering

:20:14.:20:15.

I think these things are filtering I think these things are filtering

:20:15.:20:16.

I think these things are filtering down. We saw the story this week of

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down. We saw the story this week of down. We saw the story this week of

:20:17.:20:18.

world class debaters when they world class debaters when they

:20:18.:20:21.

world class debaters when they world class debaters when they

:20:21.:20:22.

tried to take part in a prestigious tried to take part in a prestigious

:20:22.:20:22.

tried to take part in a prestigious debating competition at the Glasgow

:20:22.:20:24.

debating competition at the Glasgow university union were heckled,

:20:25.:20:26.

university union were heckled, university union were heckled,

:20:26.:20:27.

shouted down and screamed at just shouted down and screamed at just

:20:27.:20:28.

shouted down and screamed at just because of their sex. These young

:20:28.:20:29.

because of their sex. These young because of their sex. These young

:20:29.:20:31.

because of their sex. These young women are standing up and saying we

:20:31.:20:33.

women are standing up and saying we women are standing up and saying we

:20:33.:20:34.

women are standing up and saying we won't accept that. If you listen to

:20:34.:20:35.

won't accept that. If you listen to won't accept that. If you listen to

:20:35.:20:37.

won't accept that. If you listen to that, there's a long way to go and

:20:37.:20:39.

that, there's a long way to go and that, there's a long way to go and

:20:39.:20:40.

that, there's a long way to go and an agenda to keep femme nists busy

:20:40.:20:41.

an agenda to keep femme nists busy an agenda to keep femme nists busy

:20:41.:20:42.

an agenda to keep femme nists busy for the rest of this sunch ef

:20:42.:20:44.

for the rest of this sunch ef for the rest of this sunch ef

:20:44.:20:45.

century. Women are inclined to century. Women are inclined to

:20:45.:20:47.

century. Women are inclined to expect Equality for women means

:20:47.:20:48.

expect Equality for women means expect Equality for women means

:20:48.:20:48.

expect Equality for women means some social utopia is going to be

:20:48.:20:50.

some social utopia is going to be some social utopia is going to be

:20:50.:20:52.

offered. That's not the real world. offered. That's not the real world.

:20:52.:20:53.

offered. That's not the real world. Maybe just fairness rather than

:20:53.:20:55.

Maybe just fairness rather than Maybe just fairness rather than

:20:55.:20:56.

utopia. All that can be delivered utopia. All that can be delivered

:20:56.:20:57.

utopia. All that can be delivered by legislation and good policy is

:20:57.:20:58.

by legislation and good policy is by legislation and good policy is

:20:58.:21:00.

equal opportunities. It's a tough equal opportunities. It's a tough

:21:00.:21:01.

equal opportunities. It's a tough world out there. It's very

:21:01.:21:03.

world out there. It's very world out there. It's very

:21:03.:21:04.

competitive. A lot of young women competitive. A lot of young women

:21:04.:21:05.

competitive. A lot of young women are not really prepared for the

:21:05.:21:07.

are not really prepared for the are not really prepared for the

:21:07.:21:08.

are not really prepared for the degree to which that's true. One of

:21:08.:21:09.

degree to which that's true. One of degree to which that's true. One of

:21:09.:21:11.

the most interesting results that's the most interesting results that's

:21:11.:21:12.

the most interesting results that's been published recently in the

:21:12.:21:13.

been published recently in the been published recently in the

:21:13.:21:15.

Financial Times today is a study, Financial Times today is a study,

:21:16.:21:16.

globally looking at women's globally looking at women's

:21:16.:21:18.

globally looking at women's achievement of top management jobs

:21:18.:21:19.

achievement of top management jobs around the world. What's

:21:19.:21:21.

around the world. What's around the world. What's

:21:21.:21:23.

interesting and I think is probably interesting and I think is probably

:21:23.:21:25.

interesting and I think is probably the case, even though their measure

:21:25.:21:26.

the case, even though their measure the case, even though their measure

:21:26.:21:28.

the case, even though their measure is a bit wonky, is that women are

:21:28.:21:30.

is a bit wonky, is that women are is a bit wonky, is that women are

:21:30.:21:30.

more likely to achieve top more likely to achieve top

:21:30.:21:35.

more likely to achieve top management positions in the BRIC

:21:35.:21:36.

management positions in the BRIC management positions in the BRIC

:21:36.:21:37.

countries than in the highly countries than in the highly

:21:37.:21:38.

countries than in the highly developed economies of the Western

:21:38.:21:39.

developed economies of the Western developed economies of the Western

:21:39.:21:40.

developed economies of the Western world. We have this idea that we're

:21:40.:21:41.

world. We have this idea that we're world. We have this idea that we're

:21:41.:21:43.

world. We have this idea that we're way ahead of the game. But what

:21:43.:21:44.

way ahead of the game. But what way ahead of the game. But what

:21:44.:21:46.

we're doing in the Western world we're doing in the Western world

:21:46.:21:47.

we're doing in the Western world are offering women real choices to

:21:47.:21:49.

are offering women real choices to are offering women real choices to

:21:49.:21:50.

stay at home and be fulltime stay at home and be fulltime

:21:51.:21:52.

mothers, fulltime housewives if mothers, fulltime housewives if

:21:52.:21:53.

mothers, fulltime housewives if that's what they want. Real choice

:21:53.:21:54.

that's what they want. Real choice that's what they want. Real choice

:21:54.:21:55.

that's what they want. Real choice to be parttime workers and have a

:21:55.:21:56.

to be parttime workers and have a to be parttime workers and have a

:21:56.:21:57.

to be parttime workers and have a job but not a career or to be

:21:57.:21:59.

job but not a career or to be job but not a career or to be

:21:59.:22:01.

careerist. That's a choice. I have careerist. That's a choice. I have

:22:01.:22:02.

careerist. That's a choice. I have careerist. That's a choice. I have

:22:02.:22:03.

a lot of sympathy with that. Of a lot of sympathy with that. Of

:22:03.:22:03.

a lot of sympathy with that. Of a lot of sympathy with that. Of

:22:03.:22:04.

course it would be nice to see more course it would be nice to see more

:22:04.:22:05.

course it would be nice to see more women in Parliament, though the

:22:05.:22:07.

women in Parliament, though the women in Parliament, though the

:22:07.:22:08.

position has improved, but I do position has improved, but I do

:22:08.:22:09.

position has improved, but I do position has improved, but I do

:22:10.:22:11.

think that women, girls have got to think that women, girls have got to

:22:11.:22:12.

think that women, girls have got to get off their bottoms, not get

:22:12.:22:13.

get off their bottoms, not get get off their bottoms, not get

:22:14.:22:14.

get off their bottoms, not get together in a great group and have

:22:14.:22:17.

together in a great group and have together in a great group and have

:22:17.:22:17.

together in a great group and have a movement for -- for more women,

:22:17.:22:19.

a movement for -- for more women, a movement for -- for more women,

:22:19.:22:20.

the women's party, they need to the women's party, they need to

:22:20.:22:20.

the women's party, they need to stand as individuals for whatever

:22:20.:22:22.

stand as individuals for whatever stand as individuals for whatever

:22:22.:22:23.

stand as individuals for whatever party they want to. Agree with you

:22:23.:22:24.

party they want to. Agree with you party they want to. Agree with you

:22:24.:22:25.

that often we're behind other that often we're behind other

:22:25.:22:26.

that often we're behind other countries, even behind I mean

:22:26.:22:27.

countries, even behind I mean countries, even behind I mean

:22:27.:22:29.

countries, even behind I mean Norway is better than us on putting

:22:29.:22:30.

Norway is better than us on putting Norway is better than us on putting

:22:30.:22:32.

women on boards for instance. women on boards for instance.

:22:32.:22:33.

women on boards for instance. women on boards for instance.

:22:33.:22:34.

had legislation put in. Yes and I had legislation put in. Yes and I

:22:34.:22:36.

had legislation put in. Yes and I had legislation put in. Yes and I

:22:36.:22:39.

think Spain is going to. Labour had women-only short lists. That's how

:22:39.:22:42.

women-only short lists. That's how you make the leap forward. That's

:22:42.:22:43.

you make the leap forward. That's you make the leap forward. That's

:22:43.:22:44.

how you change Parliament. It's how you change Parliament. It's

:22:44.:22:45.

how you change Parliament. It's Labour having Harriet Harman and

:22:45.:22:46.

Labour having Harriet Harman and others. My grandmother couldn't

:22:46.:22:47.

others. My grandmother couldn't others. My grandmother couldn't

:22:47.:22:50.

vote. We have moved forward, but vote. We have moved forward, but

:22:50.:22:50.

vote. We have moved forward, but women are... Are you allowed to

:22:50.:22:52.

women are... Are you allowed to women are... Are you allowed to

:22:52.:22:53.

women are... Are you allowed to vote? I am.How did that happen?

:22:53.:22:56.

vote? I am.How did that happen? don't know. It's extremely

:22:56.:22:58.

don't know. It's extremely don't know. It's extremely

:22:58.:22:58.

disingenuous to suggest that women disingenuous to suggest that women

:22:58.:23:00.

disingenuous to suggest that women disingenuous to suggest that women

:23:01.:23:02.

are to blame for their own lack of are to blame for their own lack of

:23:02.:23:03.

are to blame for their own lack of equality. Whilst it's true that

:23:03.:23:04.

equality. Whilst it's true that equality. Whilst it's true that

:23:04.:23:05.

women have to put themselves women have to put themselves

:23:05.:23:06.

women have to put themselves forward, women are doing that

:23:06.:23:08.

forward, women are doing that forward, women are doing that

:23:08.:23:09.

actually. We've seen huge numbers actually. We've seen huge numbers

:23:09.:23:11.

actually. We've seen huge numbers actually. We've seen huge numbers

:23:11.:23:14.

of women in knows situations and in of women in knows situations and in

:23:14.:23:17.

of women in knows situations and in Parliament take Stella Creasey when

:23:17.:23:20.

Parliament take Stella Creasey when Parliament take Stella Creasey when

:23:20.:23:22.

she's standing up in PMQ's, she she's standing up in PMQ's, she

:23:22.:23:23.

she's standing up in PMQ's, she she's standing up in PMQ's, she

:23:23.:23:25.

gets tweets asking her to get her gets tweets asking her to get her

:23:25.:23:27.

gets tweets asking her to get her jugs out. I spoke to Emily

:23:27.:23:28.

jugs out. I spoke to Emily jugs out. I spoke to Emily

:23:28.:23:28.

jugs out. I spoke to Emily Thornbury and she said when she was

:23:29.:23:30.

Thornbury and she said when she was Thornbury and she said when she was

:23:30.:23:31.

running for office eight years ago running for office eight years ago

:23:31.:23:32.

running for office eight years ago she received so many death threats

:23:32.:23:33.

she received so many death threats she received so many death threats

:23:33.:23:34.

she received so many death threats because she was a woman running for

:23:34.:23:36.

because she was a woman running for because she was a woman running for

:23:36.:23:36.

Parliament, she had to move your Parliament, she had to move your

:23:36.:23:39.

Parliament, she had to move your children out of her home. You're

:23:39.:23:40.

children out of her home. You're children out of her home. You're

:23:40.:23:40.

children out of her home. You're never going to stop men leering at

:23:41.:23:41.

never going to stop men leering at never going to stop men leering at

:23:41.:23:43.

never going to stop men leering at women. That is the way of the world

:23:43.:23:43.

women. That is the way of the world women. That is the way of the world

:23:43.:23:44.

I'm afraid. You've both said that's I'm afraid. You've both said that's

:23:44.:23:45.

I'm afraid. You've both said that's I'm afraid. You've both said that's

:23:45.:23:46.

the way of the world. I'm not the way of the world. I'm not

:23:46.:23:47.

the way of the world. I'm not the way of the world. I'm not

:23:47.:23:47.

prepared to accept when you look at prepared to accept when you look at

:23:48.:23:49.

prepared to accept when you look at the fact that research this week

:23:49.:23:50.

the fact that research this week the fact that research this week

:23:50.:23:51.

the fact that research this week has shown that we have the highest

:23:51.:23:53.

has shown that we have the highest has shown that we have the highest

:23:53.:23:54.

level of young girls in this level of young girls in this

:23:54.:23:57.

level of young girls in this country at risk of female genital

:23:57.:23:59.

country at risk of female genital country at risk of female genital

:23:59.:24:01.

mutilation of anywhere in the world, mutilation of anywhere in the world,

:24:01.:24:02.

mutilation of anywhere in the world, that over 400,000 women are

:24:02.:24:03.

that over 400,000 women are that over 400,000 women are

:24:04.:24:04.

sexually assaulted each year, and sexually assaulted each year, and

:24:04.:24:05.

sexually assaulted each year, and 80,000 raped each year, I'm not

:24:06.:24:07.

80,000 raped each year, I'm not 80,000 raped each year, I'm not

:24:07.:24:08.

prepared to say there's no further prepared to say there's no further

:24:08.:24:10.

prepared to say there's no further for the feminism movement to go.

:24:10.:24:11.

for the feminism movement to go. for the feminism movement to go.

:24:11.:24:12.

for the feminism movement to go. But she's young and ready to change

:24:12.:24:14.

But she's young and ready to change But she's young and ready to change

:24:14.:24:15.

it. Absolutely. And so are it. Absolutely. And so are

:24:15.:24:17.

it. Absolutely. And so are thousands of others in this country.

:24:17.:24:17.

thousands of others in this country. thousands of others in this country.

:24:18.:24:20.

Can I bring in the international Can I bring in the international

:24:20.:24:21.

Can I bring in the international scene, you can have an argument

:24:21.:24:22.

scene, you can have an argument scene, you can have an argument

:24:22.:24:23.

about how far women's rights have about how far women's rights have

:24:23.:24:24.

about how far women's rights have about how far women's rights have

:24:24.:24:25.

gone in Britain and how far they gone in Britain and how far they

:24:25.:24:27.

gone in Britain and how far they have to go. But there are

:24:27.:24:29.

have to go. But there are horrendous examples of maltreatment

:24:29.:24:31.

horrendous examples of maltreatment horrendous examples of maltreatment

:24:31.:24:32.

and discrimination against women in and discrimination against women in

:24:32.:24:34.

countries like China, India, countries like China, India,

:24:34.:24:37.

countries like China, India, Pakistan, correct? There is a big

:24:37.:24:39.

Pakistan, correct? There is a big Pakistan, correct? There is a big

:24:39.:24:40.

Pakistan, correct? There is a big plight there. There was a rape in

:24:40.:24:42.

plight there. There was a rape in India which attracted great

:24:42.:24:46.

India which attracted great India which attracted great

:24:46.:24:48.

attention, yes. That's it, yes? attention, yes. That's it, yes?

:24:48.:24:49.

attention, yes. That's it, yes? one in three women will be

:24:49.:24:50.

one in three women will be one in three women will be

:24:50.:24:55.

subjected to rape in her lifetime. subjected to rape in her lifetime.

:24:55.:24:57.

Sexual violence is regularly Sexual violence is regularly

:24:57.:24:59.

expanded to mean everything expanded to mean everything

:24:59.:25:00.

included occasional touching. included occasional touching.

:25:00.:25:01.

included occasional touching. interesting that you should say

:25:01.:25:01.

interesting that you should say interesting that you should say

:25:01.:25:02.

interesting that you should say that, under the law in this country,

:25:02.:25:03.

that, under the law in this country, that, under the law in this country,

:25:03.:25:05.

that, under the law in this country, if somebody touches you in a sexual

:25:05.:25:07.

if somebody touches you in a sexual if somebody touches you in a sexual

:25:07.:25:08.

way without content that is defined way without content that is defined

:25:08.:25:09.

way without content that is defined way without content that is defined

:25:09.:25:10.

as sexual assault. As we've seen in as sexual assault. As we've seen in

:25:10.:25:11.

as sexual assault. As we've seen in the media, when these stories come

:25:11.:25:13.

the media, when these stories come the media, when these stories come

:25:13.:25:15.

up, we see countless articles TV up, we see countless articles TV

:25:15.:25:16.

up, we see countless articles TV shows saying should women put up

:25:16.:25:17.

shows saying should women put up shows saying should women put up

:25:17.:25:18.

shows saying should women put up with a bit of touching s, a grope

:25:18.:25:19.

with a bit of touching s, a grope with a bit of touching s, a grope

:25:19.:25:20.

with a bit of touching s, a grope really such a big deal? Hang on,

:25:20.:25:21.

really such a big deal? Hang on, really such a big deal? Hang on,

:25:21.:25:22.

this is something that women are this is something that women are

:25:22.:25:24.

this is something that women are protected from under the law. It's

:25:24.:25:26.

protected from under the law. It's protected from under the law. It's

:25:26.:25:27.

defined as sexual assault and we're defined as sexual assault and we're

:25:27.:25:27.

defined as sexual assault and we're debating whether women should put

:25:27.:25:29.

debating whether women should put debating whether women should put

:25:29.:25:30.

up with it. They're protected by up with it. They're protected by

:25:30.:25:32.

up with it. They're protected by law. Social attitudes need to

:25:32.:25:34.

law. Social attitudes need to law. Social attitudes need to

:25:34.:25:35.

change. That's why feminism is such change. That's why feminism is such

:25:35.:25:36.

change. That's why feminism is such a lively movement today. You've

:25:36.:25:37.

a lively movement today. You've a lively movement today. You've

:25:38.:25:39.

a lively movement today. You've come on and told us what you're

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come on and told us what you're come on and told us what you're

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doing on International Women's Day. doing on International Women's Day.

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Thank you both. Thank you both.

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Thank you both. Thank you both.

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Now some things in life are certain Now some things in life are certain

:25:46.:25:47.

Now some things in life are certain - death, taxes, Justin Bieber being

:25:47.:25:48.

- death, taxes, Justin Bieber being - death, taxes, Justin Bieber being

:25:48.:25:50.

late for the next concert, then late for the next concert, then

:25:50.:25:51.

late for the next concert, then there's the outko. Referendum this

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there's the outko. Referendum this there's the outko. Referendum this

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weekend in the Falklands asking weekend in the Falklands asking

:25:55.:25:56.

weekend in the Falklands asking islanders whether they witch to

:25:56.:25:57.

islanders whether they witch to islanders whether they witch to

:25:57.:25:58.

remain a British overseas territory. remain a British overseas territory.

:25:58.:25:59.

remain a British overseas territory. remain a British overseas territory.

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We know the answer already, so what We know the answer already, so what

:25:59.:26:01.

We know the answer already, so what We know the answer already, so what

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is the point of the question. Let's is the point of the question. Let's

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is the point of the question. Let's go to Caroline Wyatt in Port

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go to Caroline Wyatt in Port go to Caroline Wyatt in Port

:26:07.:26:08.

Stanley. We know the result already, Stanley. We know the result already,

:26:09.:26:11.

Stanley. We know the result already, Stanley. We know the result already,

:26:11.:26:13.

it will be a huge vote for the it will be a huge vote for the

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it will be a huge vote for the Falklands to stay "British". I

:26:15.:26:16.

Falklands to stay "British". I Falklands to stay "British". I

:26:16.:26:17.

suggest they will take things suggest they will take things

:26:17.:26:18.

suggest they will take things seriously. What is the mood? Well,

:26:18.:26:19.

seriously. What is the mood? Well, seriously. What is the mood? Well,

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it's interesting that you say that. it's interesting that you say that.

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it's interesting that you say that. We've been asking people, why, when

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We've been asking people, why, when We've been asking people, why, when

:26:24.:26:24.

it seems pretty clear from every it seems pretty clear from every

:26:25.:26:26.

it seems pretty clear from every single person we've spoken to that

:26:26.:26:27.

single person we've spoken to that single person we've spoken to that

:26:27.:26:28.

single person we've spoken to that they will vote yes, why have the

:26:28.:26:30.

they will vote yes, why have the they will vote yes, why have the

:26:30.:26:31.

they will vote yes, why have the referendum at all? It's not so that

:26:31.:26:32.

referendum at all? It's not so that referendum at all? It's not so that

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the Falkland islanders know what the Falkland islanders know what

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the Falkland islanders know what they want, it's so that Argentina,

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they want, it's so that Argentina, they want, it's so that Argentina,

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they want, it's so that Argentina, the rest of the world can hear the

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the rest of the world can hear the the rest of the world can hear the

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voice of the Falkland islanders. voice of the Falkland islanders.

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voice of the Falkland islanders. They have been deeply stung not

:26:42.:26:44.

They have been deeply stung not They have been deeply stung not

:26:44.:26:45.

just by Argentina's constant, what just by Argentina's constant, what

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just by Argentina's constant, what they see as bullying, harassing

:26:48.:26:49.

they see as bullying, harassing they see as bullying, harassing

:26:49.:26:50.

fishing ships, trying to stop fishing ships, trying to stop

:26:50.:26:51.

economic activity here, but economic activity here, but

:26:51.:26:52.

economic activity here, but continuing to claim the Falklands

:26:52.:26:54.

continuing to claim the Falklands continuing to claim the Falklands

:26:54.:26:56.

continuing to claim the Falklands as their own. Other the other week

:26:56.:26:57.

as their own. Other the other week the Argentinian Foreign Minister

:26:57.:26:58.

the Argentinian Foreign Minister the Argentinian Foreign Minister

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the Argentinian Foreign Minister when he went to London saying that

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when he went to London saying that when he went to London saying that

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the Falkland islanders didn't count the Falkland islanders didn't count

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the Falkland islanders didn't count because they were British implants,

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because they were British implants, because they were British implants,

:27:03.:27:04.

not a native population. The not a native population. The

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not a native population. The islanders here are very determined

:27:05.:27:05.

islanders here are very determined islanders here are very determined

:27:05.:27:06.

islanders here are very determined to go to the polls this Sunday and

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to go to the polls this Sunday and to go to the polls this Sunday and

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Monday. To make their voices heard Monday. To make their voices heard

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Monday. To make their voices heard Monday. To make their voices heard

:27:12.:27:13.

and say to the world, this is what and say to the world, this is what

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and say to the world, this is what and say to the world, this is what

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we want. The question is simple. It we want. The question is simple. It

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we want. The question is simple. It is "Do you wish the Falkland

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is "Do you wish the Falkland is "Do you wish the Falkland

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Islands to retain their current Islands to retain their current

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Islands to retain their current political status as an overseas

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political status as an overseas political status as an overseas

:27:22.:27:23.

territory of the United Kingdom - territory of the United Kingdom -

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territory of the United Kingdom - territory of the United Kingdom -

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yes or no?" So far we haven't found yes or no?" So far we haven't found

:27:25.:27:28.

yes or no?" So far we haven't found a single No voteer yet.

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a single No voteer yet. a single No voteer yet.

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Do the Falkland islanders feel that Do the Falkland islanders feel that

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Do the Falkland islanders feel that Do the Falkland islanders feel that

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they may be near unanimous in their they may be near unanimous in their

:27:34.:27:36.

they may be near unanimous in their desire to stay a British overseas

:27:36.:27:37.

desire to stay a British overseas desire to stay a British overseas

:27:37.:27:38.

territory, but no matter how big territory, but no matter how big

:27:38.:27:39.

territory, but no matter how big the majority for, that the

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the majority for, that the the majority for, that the

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Argentineans might not take a blind Argentineans might not take a blind

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Argentineans might not take a blind Argentineans might not take a blind

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bit of notice of it? I think there bit of notice of it? I think there

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bit of notice of it? I think there is that fear. People here would

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is that fear. People here would is that fear. People here would

:27:49.:27:50.

is that fear. People here would love Argentina to listen. A lot of

:27:50.:27:51.

love Argentina to listen. A lot of love Argentina to listen. A lot of

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love Argentina to listen. A lot of them say that it's being used, the

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them say that it's being used, the them say that it's being used, the

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Falklands, as a domestic political Falklands, as a domestic political

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Falklands, as a domestic political Falklands, as a domestic political

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issue to carry popularity at a time issue to carry popularity at a time

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issue to carry popularity at a time of great economic difficulty. What

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of great economic difficulty. What of great economic difficulty. What

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has worried them over the past has worried them over the past

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has worried them over the past has worried them over the past

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years is the stuff that's been put years is the stuff that's been put

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years is the stuff that's been put out by Buenos Aries is being

:28:11.:28:13.

out by Buenos Aries is being believed about the Falkland

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believed about the Falkland believed about the Falkland

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islanders not having a legitimate islanders not having a legitimate

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islanders not having a legitimate claim. That's where the referendum

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claim. That's where the referendum claim. That's where the referendum

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claim. That's where the referendum is aimed, at other nations in South

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is aimed, at other nations in South is aimed, at other nations in South

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America, to America for example, America, to America for example,

:28:22.:28:23.

America, to America for example, because John Kerry was very non-

:28:23.:28:24.

because John Kerry was very non- because John Kerry was very non-

:28:24.:28:25.

because John Kerry was very non- committal when he came to the UK

:28:25.:28:27.

committal when he came to the UK committal when he came to the UK

:28:27.:28:27.

when asked what America's position when asked what America's position

:28:27.:28:28.

when asked what America's position when asked what America's position

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was. He didn't seem keen to comment was. He didn't seem keen to comment

:28:29.:28:30.

was. He didn't seem keen to comment was. He didn't seem keen to comment

:28:30.:28:31.

on it. They would really like to on it. They would really like to

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on it. They would really like to on it. They would really like to

:28:32.:28:33.

try and get the support of America try and get the support of America

:28:33.:28:34.

try and get the support of America try and get the support of America

:28:34.:28:35.

and other allies and within the UN and other allies and within the UN

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and other allies and within the UN and other allies and within the UN

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as well, where this is still being as well, where this is still being

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as well, where this is still being discussed as an issue within the

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discussed as an issue within the UN's decolonisation committee.

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UN's decolonisation committee. final question, it's interesting,

:28:43.:28:44.

final question, it's interesting, final question, it's interesting,

:28:44.:28:45.

there are now substantial British there are now substantial British

:28:45.:28:47.

forces defending the Falklands, forces defending the Falklands,

:28:47.:28:49.

forces defending the Falklands, unlike the situation in 1982. My

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unlike the situation in 1982. My understanding is that the

:28:51.:28:54.

understanding is that the understanding is that the

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Argentinian military is, it hasn't Argentinian military is, it hasn't

:28:55.:28:56.

Argentinian military is, it hasn't been modernised, it's still the

:28:56.:28:57.

been modernised, it's still the been modernised, it's still the

:28:57.:28:59.

been modernised, it's still the same it was in 1982, unlike the

:28:59.:29:01.

same it was in 1982, unlike the same it was in 1982, unlike the

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British military, which is hugely British military, which is hugely

:29:02.:29:04.

British military, which is hugely modernised. Is there any real fear

:29:04.:29:05.

modernised. Is there any real fear modernised. Is there any real fear

:29:05.:29:06.

in the Falklands that there could in the Falklands that there could

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in the Falklands that there could be another invasion? I've asked a

:29:10.:29:11.

be another invasion? I've asked a be another invasion? I've asked a

:29:11.:29:12.

be another invasion? I've asked a lot of people this and you get

:29:12.:29:13.

lot of people this and you get lot of people this and you get

:29:13.:29:15.

different answers. For the most different answers. For the most

:29:15.:29:16.

different answers. For the most part people say no. They don't

:29:16.:29:17.

part people say no. They don't part people say no. They don't

:29:17.:29:18.

part people say no. They don't believe it. They think it will be

:29:18.:29:20.

believe it. They think it will be believe it. They think it will be

:29:20.:29:21.

believe it. They think it will be confined to rhetoric and it will be

:29:21.:29:22.

confined to rhetoric and it will be confined to rhetoric and it will be

:29:22.:29:22.

confined to rhetoric and it will be a war of words. Though Argentina is

:29:22.:29:24.

a war of words. Though Argentina is a war of words. Though Argentina is

:29:24.:29:24.

a war of words. Though Argentina is not in a fit state militarily to

:29:24.:29:26.

not in a fit state militarily to not in a fit state militarily to

:29:26.:29:27.

not in a fit state militarily to try to launch anything. I asked a

:29:27.:29:28.

try to launch anything. I asked a local representative yesterday here

:29:28.:29:29.

local representative yesterday here local representative yesterday here

:29:29.:29:30.

local representative yesterday here what she thought and she said well

:29:31.:29:32.

what she thought and she said well what she thought and she said well

:29:32.:29:33.

we really don't believe that we really don't believe that

:29:33.:29:33.

we really don't believe that anything military would happen from

:29:33.:29:35.

anything military would happen from anything military would happen from

:29:35.:29:36.

Argentina, but we think there could Argentina, but we think there could

:29:36.:29:37.

Argentina, but we think there could Argentina, but we think there could

:29:37.:29:39.

be a stunt of some sort. They've be a stunt of some sort. They've

:29:39.:29:40.

had incidents where Argentineans had incidents where Argentineans

:29:40.:29:42.

had incidents where Argentineans coming over here have planted flags,

:29:42.:29:43.

coming over here have planted flags, coming over here have planted flags,

:29:43.:29:45.

for example. You saw during the for example. You saw during the

:29:45.:29:46.

for example. You saw during the for example. You saw during the

:29:46.:29:47.

London Olympics that ad put out by London Olympics that ad put out by

:29:47.:29:48.

London Olympics that ad put out by Argentina with one of their runners

:29:48.:29:50.

Argentina with one of their runners Argentina with one of their runners

:29:50.:29:51.

saying we train on Argentinian soil saying we train on Argentinian soil

:29:51.:29:53.

saying we train on Argentinian soil saying we train on Argentinian soil

:29:53.:29:54.

to run on British soil which was to run on British soil which was

:29:54.:29:56.

to run on British soil which was filmed in a guerrilla campaign here

:29:56.:29:57.

filmed in a guerrilla campaign here filmed in a guerrilla campaign here

:29:57.:29:58.

filmed in a guerrilla campaign here on one of the war memorials here.

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on one of the war memorials here. on one of the war memorials here.

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on one of the war memorials here. No, I don't think there's a real

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No, I don't think there's a real No, I don't think there's a real

:30:01.:30:05.

fear of military invasion. But the fear of military invasion. But the

:30:05.:30:06.

fear of military invasion. But the eknom tactics, not allowing screws

:30:06.:30:07.

eknom tactics, not allowing screws eknom tactics, not allowing screws

:30:07.:30:08.

ships to land in Argentina in ships to land in Argentina in

:30:08.:30:10.

ships to land in Argentina in ships to land in Argentina in

:30:10.:30:12.

they've landed here, and the war of they've landed here, and the war of

:30:12.:30:13.

they've landed here, and the war of words over the potentially rich oil

:30:13.:30:14.

words over the potentially rich oil words over the potentially rich oil

:30:14.:30:16.

fields. That looks likely to get fields. That looks likely to get

:30:16.:30:17.

fields. That looks likely to get worse, with Argentina trying to

:30:17.:30:18.

worse, with Argentina trying to worse, with Argentina trying to

:30:18.:30:19.

rally support in South America to rally support in South America to

:30:19.:30:21.

rally support in South America to keep Falkland islanders out of

:30:21.:30:23.

keep Falkland islanders out of keep Falkland islanders out of

:30:23.:30:24.

international symposium so if they international symposium so if they

:30:24.:30:25.

international symposium so if they try to go to international

:30:25.:30:26.

try to go to international conference on fishing Argentina

:30:27.:30:28.

conference on fishing Argentina conference on fishing Argentina

:30:28.:30:28.

conference on fishing Argentina will ask organise ez not to allow

:30:29.:30:30.

will ask organise ez not to allow will ask organise ez not to allow

:30:30.:30:31.

will ask organise ez not to allow them to come. Those are the daily

:30:31.:30:32.

them to come. Those are the daily them to come. Those are the daily

:30:32.:30:32.

harassment they would like to see harassment they would like to see

:30:33.:30:42.
:30:43.:30:54.

We are joined now by the We are joined now by the

:30:54.:30:54.

Conservative MP Andrew Rosindell, Conservative MP Andrew Rosindell,

:30:54.:30:56.

secretary of the all-party secretary of the all-party

:30:56.:31:00.

Parliamentary group on the Parliamentary group on the

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Parliamentary group on the Falklands. I guess the danger is

:31:03.:31:04.

Falklands. I guess the danger is Falklands. I guess the danger is

:31:04.:31:05.

that the Falklands people will that the Falklands people will

:31:05.:31:06.

clearly voted overwhelmingly to clearly voted overwhelmingly to

:31:06.:31:08.

clearly voted overwhelmingly to retain their existing status, but it

:31:08.:31:09.

retain their existing status, but it retain their existing status, but it

:31:09.:31:10.

will not make any difference not will not make any difference not

:31:10.:31:12.

will not make any difference not just to Argentina, but to the

:31:12.:31:13.

just to Argentina, but to the just to Argentina, but to the

:31:13.:31:13.

increasing voices that Argentina can increasing voices that Argentina can

:31:13.:31:14.

increasing voices that Argentina can increasing voices that Argentina can

:31:14.:31:17.

count on as allies in South America? count on as allies in South America?

:31:17.:31:18.

count on as allies in South America? count on as allies in South America?

:31:18.:31:19.

count on as allies in South America? I am not sure in the long term that

:31:19.:31:20.

I am not sure in the long term that I am not sure in the long term that

:31:20.:31:21.

the so-called allies of Argentina the so-called allies of Argentina

:31:21.:31:23.

the so-called allies of Argentina are that supportive. They are just

:31:23.:31:26.

are that supportive. They are just are that supportive. They are just

:31:26.:31:28.

fed up with Argentina continuously fed up with Argentina continuously

:31:28.:31:28.

fed up with Argentina continuously going on about this subject. The

:31:28.:31:30.

going on about this subject. The going on about this subject. The

:31:30.:31:31.

going on about this subject. The idea of having a referendum is to

:31:31.:31:32.

idea of having a referendum is to idea of having a referendum is to

:31:32.:31:33.

idea of having a referendum is to make it clear to the world that

:31:33.:31:34.

make it clear to the world that make it clear to the world that

:31:34.:31:36.

actually, the people of the Falkland actually, the people of the Falkland

:31:36.:31:36.

actually, the people of the Falkland Islands, like any other colony,

:31:36.:31:37.

Islands, like any other colony, Islands, like any other colony,

:31:37.:31:38.

should have the right to determine should have the right to determine

:31:38.:31:40.

should have the right to determine their own future. When that result

:31:40.:31:43.

their own future. When that result is known, any self-respecting

:31:43.:31:45.

is known, any self-respecting is known, any self-respecting

:31:45.:31:46.

democracy would say actually, the democracy would say actually, the

:31:46.:31:47.

democracy would say actually, the Falkland Islanders have the right to

:31:47.:31:51.

Falkland Islanders have the right to Falkland Islanders have the right to

:31:51.:31:53.

make that decision. That is make that decision. That is

:31:53.:31:55.

make that decision. That is absolutely right. The object of the

:31:55.:31:56.

absolutely right. The object of the absolutely right. The object of the

:31:57.:31:57.

exercise must be to stop Argentina exercise must be to stop Argentina

:31:57.:31:58.

exercise must be to stop Argentina saying, it is just a British

:31:58.:32:03.

saying, it is just a British saying, it is just a British

:32:03.:32:03.

saying, it is just a British colony, and to show that it is

:32:03.:32:04.

colony, and to show that it is self-determination. That will make

:32:04.:32:05.

self-determination. That will make self-determination. That will make

:32:05.:32:07.

self-determination. That will make it harder for the rest of the world

:32:07.:32:09.

it harder for the rest of the world it harder for the rest of the world

:32:09.:32:10.

it harder for the rest of the world to say oh, well, it is all

:32:10.:32:11.

to say oh, well, it is all to say oh, well, it is all

:32:11.:32:11.

to say oh, well, it is all colonialism and we have to get rid

:32:11.:32:12.

colonialism and we have to get rid colonialism and we have to get rid

:32:12.:32:13.

colonialism and we have to get rid of it. Andrew, as part of an

:32:13.:32:14.

of it. Andrew, as part of an of it. Andrew, as part of an

:32:14.:32:16.

all-party group, I would not have all-party group, I would not have

:32:16.:32:17.

all-party group, I would not have thought that there is any argument

:32:17.:32:18.

thought that there is any argument thought that there is any argument

:32:18.:32:19.

thought that there is any argument with that apart from on the left

:32:19.:32:22.

with that apart from on the left with that apart from on the left

:32:22.:32:24.

fringes of Labour? They are witty fringes of Labour? They are witty

:32:24.:32:25.

fringes of Labour? They are witty unanimous. In 1982, Michael foot was

:32:25.:32:26.

unanimous. In 1982, Michael foot was unanimous. In 1982, Michael foot was

:32:26.:32:26.

unanimous. In 1982, Michael foot was in favour of sending in a task

:32:26.:32:29.

in favour of sending in a task in favour of sending in a task

:32:29.:32:31.

force. What the Falkland Islands are force. What the Falkland Islands are

:32:31.:32:32.

force. What the Falkland Islands are doing is what the Gibraltar

:32:32.:32:33.

doing is what the Gibraltar doing is what the Gibraltar

:32:33.:32:35.

residents did ten years ago. They residents did ten years ago. They

:32:35.:32:39.

residents did ten years ago. They organised their own referendum. The

:32:39.:32:41.

organised their own referendum. The organised their own referendum. The

:32:41.:32:41.

organised their own referendum. The foreign office, as well as Spain and

:32:41.:32:43.

foreign office, as well as Spain and foreign office, as well as Spain and

:32:43.:32:44.

Gibraltar, were told, look, we want Gibraltar, were told, look, we want

:32:44.:32:47.

Gibraltar, were told, look, we want Gibraltar, were told, look, we want

:32:47.:32:48.

to remain part of Britain. It is a to remain part of Britain. It is a

:32:48.:32:49.

to remain part of Britain. It is a to remain part of Britain. It is a

:32:49.:32:51.

political issue, but it is also a political issue, but it is also a

:32:51.:32:52.

problem with Britain's relations problem with Britain's relations

:32:52.:32:57.

problem with Britain's relations problem with Britain's relations

:32:57.:32:57.

with the rest of South America. with the rest of South America.

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with the rest of South America. with the rest of South America.

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you think they are just doing it you think they are just doing it

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you think they are just doing it you think they are just doing it

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when there is no real support for when there is no real support for

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when there is no real support for Argentina? What is your evidence for

:33:07.:33:08.

Argentina? What is your evidence for Argentina? What is your evidence for

:33:08.:33:09.

that? Most Latin American countries that? Most Latin American countries

:33:09.:33:10.

that? Most Latin American countries will of course support Argentina

:33:10.:33:12.

will of course support Argentina will of course support Argentina

:33:12.:33:13.

publicly, but privately, it is not publicly, but privately, it is not

:33:13.:33:15.

publicly, but privately, it is not publicly, but privately, it is not

:33:15.:33:16.

an issue for them will stop the an issue for them will stop the

:33:16.:33:17.

an issue for them will stop the Falkland Islanders have that right

:33:17.:33:19.

Falkland Islanders have that right Falkland Islanders have that right

:33:19.:33:20.

of self-determination. They are not of self-determination. They are not

:33:20.:33:21.

of self-determination. They are not a colony, they are a British

:33:21.:33:25.

a colony, they are a British a colony, they are a British

:33:25.:33:25.

overseas territory. I would favour overseas territory. I would favour

:33:25.:33:26.

overseas territory. I would favour joint sovereignty, if you could do

:33:26.:33:32.

joint sovereignty, if you could do joint sovereignty, if you could do

:33:32.:33:38.

it. America would like the problem it. America would like the problem

:33:38.:33:38.

it. America would like the problem settled. How can you have joint

:33:38.:33:39.

settled. How can you have joint settled. How can you have joint

:33:39.:33:40.

sovereignty of the will of the sovereignty of the will of the

:33:40.:33:41.

sovereignty of the will of the sovereignty of the will of the

:33:41.:33:44.

people is clear that they want to people is clear that they want to

:33:44.:33:47.

people is clear that they want to remain British? You could treat it

:33:47.:33:48.

remain British? You could treat it remain British? You could treat it

:33:48.:33:48.

remain British? You could treat it like a passport to Pimlico and say,

:33:48.:33:49.

like a passport to Pimlico and say, like a passport to Pimlico and say,

:33:49.:33:53.

like a passport to Pimlico and say, you can do what you like. You have

:33:53.:33:53.

you can do what you like. You have you can do what you like. You have

:33:53.:33:59.

to take the view of everybody. to take the view of everybody.

:33:59.:34:00.

to take the view of everybody. Wouldn't the view of joint

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Wouldn't the view of joint Wouldn't the view of joint

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sovereignty be that the Argentinians sovereignty be that the Argentinians

:34:03.:34:04.

sovereignty be that the Argentinians would then ship in 5000 Argentinians

:34:04.:34:06.

would then ship in 5000 Argentinians would then ship in 5000 Argentinians

:34:06.:34:06.

and have another referendum? I am and have another referendum? I am

:34:06.:34:09.

and have another referendum? I am and have another referendum? I am

:34:09.:34:09.

sure they would. But you could have sure they would. But you could have

:34:09.:34:13.

sure they would. But you could have immigration rules to deal with it.

:34:13.:34:14.

immigration rules to deal with it. immigration rules to deal with it.

:34:14.:34:15.

immigration rules to deal with it. And Buenos Aires have got it wrong.

:34:15.:34:16.

And Buenos Aires have got it wrong. And Buenos Aires have got it wrong.

:34:16.:34:17.

And Buenos Aires have got it wrong. They should try to coax them with

:34:17.:34:17.

They should try to coax them with They should try to coax them with

:34:17.:34:19.

kind person, not cruise ships. kind person, not cruise ships.

:34:19.:34:21.

kind person, not cruise ships. kind person, not cruise ships.

:34:21.:34:22.

their economy is in a mess. But it their economy is in a mess. But it

:34:22.:34:24.

their economy is in a mess. But it their economy is in a mess. But it

:34:24.:34:24.

is a democracy, so I don't think is a democracy, so I don't think

:34:24.:34:25.

is a democracy, so I don't think there is much chance of an

:34:25.:34:27.

there is much chance of an there is much chance of an

:34:27.:34:28.

invasion. Tony Blair got a bloody invasion. Tony Blair got a bloody

:34:28.:34:29.

invasion. Tony Blair got a bloody invasion. Tony Blair got a bloody

:34:29.:34:30.

nose when they tried to impose joint nose when they tried to impose joint

:34:30.:34:35.

nose when they tried to impose joint sovereignty on Gibraltar. If we knew

:34:35.:34:36.

sovereignty on Gibraltar. If we knew sovereignty on Gibraltar. If we knew

:34:36.:34:37.

sovereignty on Gibraltar. If we knew sovereignty on Gibraltar. If we knew

:34:37.:34:37.

the costs of how much it was to have the costs of how much it was to have

:34:37.:34:39.

the costs of how much it was to have a garrison town, public opinion

:34:39.:34:41.

a garrison town, public opinion a garrison town, public opinion

:34:41.:34:42.

might change. I know the Foreign might change. I know the Foreign

:34:42.:34:43.

might change. I know the Foreign might change. I know the Foreign

:34:43.:34:46.

Office want to hang onto it for the Office want to hang onto it for the

:34:46.:34:47.

Office want to hang onto it for the Office want to hang onto it for the

:34:47.:34:49.

mineral rights. Is that an issue for mineral rights. Is that an issue for

:34:49.:34:50.

mineral rights. Is that an issue for Britain, that it looks like there

:34:50.:34:51.

Britain, that it looks like there Britain, that it looks like there

:34:51.:34:51.

Britain, that it looks like there was a lot of oil under the seat?

:34:51.:34:54.

was a lot of oil under the seat? was a lot of oil under the seat?

:34:54.:34:54.

was a lot of oil under the seat? Quite clearly. They admit it on the

:34:54.:34:57.

Quite clearly. They admit it on the Quite clearly. They admit it on the

:34:57.:34:58.

Quite clearly. They admit it on the sly. There are likely to be all and

:34:58.:35:00.

sly. There are likely to be all and sly. There are likely to be all and

:35:00.:35:01.

reserves there, and no doubt the reserves there, and no doubt the

:35:01.:35:02.

Falkland Islanders will contribute Falkland Islanders will contribute

:35:02.:35:03.

Falkland Islanders will contribute Falkland Islanders will contribute

:35:03.:35:03.

towards the cost of their defence if towards the cost of their defence if

:35:03.:35:04.

towards the cost of their defence if towards the cost of their defence if

:35:04.:35:05.

they have the resources to do so. they have the resources to do so.

:35:05.:35:07.

they have the resources to do so. they have the resources to do so.

:35:07.:35:08.

But the idea that you don't defend But the idea that you don't defend

:35:08.:35:09.

But the idea that you don't defend British citizens purely because it

:35:09.:35:11.

British citizens purely because it British citizens purely because it

:35:12.:35:13.

is costing money is a bizarre is costing money is a bizarre

:35:13.:35:14.

is costing money is a bizarre is costing money is a bizarre

:35:14.:35:15.

notion. We are not going to send a notion. We are not going to send a

:35:15.:35:19.

notion. We are not going to send a task force birth. The British people

:35:19.:35:20.

task force birth. The British people task force birth. The British people

:35:20.:35:21.

would support the Falkland Islanders would support the Falkland Islanders

:35:21.:35:23.

would support the Falkland Islanders would support the Falkland Islanders

:35:23.:35:23.

in such a situation. The prospect of in such a situation. The prospect of

:35:23.:35:27.

in such a situation. The prospect of another war is unlikely. Are you

:35:27.:35:28.

another war is unlikely. Are you another war is unlikely. Are you

:35:28.:35:29.

confident that we have sufficient confident that we have sufficient

:35:29.:35:31.

confident that we have sufficient confident that we have sufficient

:35:31.:35:33.

forces in the Falklands to deter any forces in the Falklands to deter any

:35:33.:35:34.

forces in the Falklands to deter any military intervention? I just came

:35:34.:35:35.

military intervention? I just came military intervention? I just came

:35:35.:35:36.

back from the Falkland Islands a back from the Falkland Islands a

:35:36.:35:38.

back from the Falkland Islands a couple of weeks ago. Speaking to

:35:38.:35:40.

couple of weeks ago. Speaking to couple of weeks ago. Speaking to

:35:40.:35:40.

everybody there, speaking to the everybody there, speaking to the

:35:40.:35:41.

everybody there, speaking to the commander of British forces, they

:35:41.:35:42.

commander of British forces, they commander of British forces, they

:35:42.:35:45.

assure me that there were sufficient assure me that there were sufficient

:35:45.:35:46.

assure me that there were sufficient defence for such an eventuality.

:35:46.:35:47.

defence for such an eventuality. defence for such an eventuality.

:35:47.:35:49.

Ministers have also assured me about Ministers have also assured me about

:35:49.:35:50.

Ministers have also assured me about any government that failed to defend

:35:50.:35:51.

any government that failed to defend any government that failed to defend

:35:51.:35:52.

the Falklands after Mrs Thatcher did the Falklands after Mrs Thatcher did

:35:52.:35:54.

the Falklands after Mrs Thatcher did the Falklands after Mrs Thatcher did

:35:54.:35:55.

so much to rescue those islands in so much to rescue those islands in

:35:55.:35:56.

so much to rescue those islands in 1982, any government that let that

:35:56.:35:57.

1982, any government that let that 1982, any government that let that

:35:57.:36:01.

happen not last very long. happen not last very long.

:36:01.:36:01.

happen not last very long. happen not last very long.

:36:01.:36:02.

Now, it is not just the Liberal Now, it is not just the Liberal

:36:02.:36:05.

Now, it is not just the Liberal Democrats who have been embroiled in

:36:05.:36:05.

Democrats who have been embroiled in allegations of sexual misconduct.

:36:06.:36:06.

allegations of sexual misconduct. allegations of sexual misconduct.

:36:06.:36:07.

The Socialist Workers Party has been The Socialist Workers Party has been

:36:07.:36:09.

The Socialist Workers Party has been criticised for its handling of rape

:36:09.:36:10.

criticised for its handling of rape criticised for its handling of rape

:36:10.:36:12.

allegations against a senior party allegations against a senior party

:36:12.:36:13.

allegations against a senior party member. The accused denied them and

:36:13.:36:19.

member. The accused denied them and member. The accused denied them and

:36:19.:36:20.

the internal enquiry agreed. They the internal enquiry agreed. They

:36:20.:36:22.

the internal enquiry agreed. They had an internal enquiry rather than

:36:22.:36:23.

had an internal enquiry rather than had an internal enquiry rather than

:36:23.:36:24.

the bourgeois capitalist courts. The the bourgeois capitalist courts. The

:36:24.:36:25.

the bourgeois capitalist courts. The the bourgeois capitalist courts. The

:36:25.:36:26.

crisis that followed has led some to crisis that followed has led some to

:36:26.:36:27.

crisis that followed has led some to question the existence of the far

:36:27.:36:28.

question the existence of the far question the existence of the far

:36:28.:36:29.

question the existence of the far left party. So much so that they

:36:29.:36:30.

left party. So much so that they left party. So much so that they

:36:30.:36:31.

left party. So much so that they plan to hold a special conference to

:36:31.:36:32.

plan to hold a special conference to plan to hold a special conference to

:36:32.:36:40.

address the issue this weekend. address the issue this weekend.

:36:40.:36:41.

address the issue this weekend. They are the followers of Lenin's

:36:41.:36:43.

They are the followers of Lenin's They are the followers of Lenin's

:36:43.:36:44.

Powell Trotsky, but now the Powell Trotsky, but now the

:36:44.:36:45.

Powell Trotsky, but now the Socialist Workers Party is facing

:36:45.:36:46.

Socialist Workers Party is facing Socialist Workers Party is facing

:36:46.:36:47.

Socialist Workers Party is facing the equivalent of an ice pick in the

:36:47.:36:49.

the equivalent of an ice pick in the the equivalent of an ice pick in the

:36:49.:36:50.

the equivalent of an ice pick in the neck. To many, the SWP are the

:36:50.:36:51.

neck. To many, the SWP are the neck. To many, the SWP are the

:36:51.:36:52.

people who hand out leaflets like people who hand out leaflets like

:36:52.:36:53.

people who hand out leaflets like these on the high street on

:36:53.:36:54.

these on the high street on these on the high street on

:36:54.:36:55.

these on the high street on Saturday, but the far far far left

:36:55.:36:56.

Saturday, but the far far far left Saturday, but the far far far left

:36:56.:36:58.

Saturday, but the far far far left group has had an impact. They were

:36:58.:37:00.

group has had an impact. They were group has had an impact. They were

:37:00.:37:00.

instrumental in organising the 1 instrumental in organising the 1

:37:00.:37:01.

instrumental in organising the 1 million person strong stop the War

:37:01.:37:05.

million person strong stop the War million person strong stop the War

:37:05.:37:06.

million person strong stop the War march a decade ago. They later fell

:37:06.:37:07.

march a decade ago. They later fell march a decade ago. They later fell

:37:07.:37:12.

out with other groups, though. They out with other groups, though. They

:37:12.:37:13.

out with other groups, though. They helped form the Respect Party, which

:37:13.:37:14.

helped form the Respect Party, which propelled George Galloway to

:37:14.:37:15.

propelled George Galloway to propelled George Galloway to

:37:15.:37:16.

Parliament in east London in the Parliament in east London in the

:37:16.:37:17.

Parliament in east London in the 2005 general election. At the SWP

:37:17.:37:19.

2005 general election. At the SWP 2005 general election. At the SWP

:37:19.:37:20.

2005 general election. At the SWP fell out with them, too, making it

:37:20.:37:22.

fell out with them, too, making it fell out with them, too, making it

:37:22.:37:23.

fell out with them, too, making it all feel a bit People's front of

:37:23.:37:26.

all feel a bit People's front of all feel a bit People's front of

:37:26.:37:27.

all feel a bit People's front of Judaea. Often on the left, there is

:37:27.:37:28.

Judaea. Often on the left, there is Judaea. Often on the left, there is

:37:28.:37:30.

Judaea. Often on the left, there is a tendency to fall out over what

:37:30.:37:30.

a tendency to fall out over what a tendency to fall out over what

:37:30.:37:34.

seems from the outside pretty small seems from the outside pretty small

:37:34.:37:35.

seems from the outside pretty small issues, to obsess over purity, to

:37:35.:37:36.

issues, to obsess over purity, to issues, to obsess over purity, to

:37:36.:37:38.

issues, to obsess over purity, to lose sight of who the real enemy is

:37:38.:37:39.

lose sight of who the real enemy is lose sight of who the real enemy is

:37:39.:37:40.

and not have the same ruthlessness and not have the same ruthlessness

:37:40.:37:41.

and not have the same ruthlessness and not have the same ruthlessness

:37:41.:37:44.

the right often have in having a the right often have in having a

:37:44.:37:45.

the right often have in having a mission, sticking to it and instead

:37:45.:37:46.

mission, sticking to it and instead mission, sticking to it and instead

:37:46.:37:47.

mission, sticking to it and instead falling out and being more angry at

:37:47.:37:48.

falling out and being more angry at falling out and being more angry at

:37:48.:37:49.

each other than the people you're each other than the people you're

:37:49.:37:50.

each other than the people you're each other than the people you're

:37:50.:37:51.

supposed to be angry at. Now the supposed to be angry at. Now the

:37:51.:37:52.

supposed to be angry at. Now the supposed to be angry at. Now the

:37:52.:37:53.

party is facing a crisis after this party is facing a crisis after this

:37:53.:37:54.

party is facing a crisis after this document was leaked. It is the

:37:54.:37:56.

document was leaked. It is the document was leaked. It is the

:37:56.:37:57.

transcript of a discussion of how transcript of a discussion of how

:37:57.:37:59.

the party's disciplinary committee the party's disciplinary committee

:37:59.:38:00.

the party's disciplinary committee handled an accusation of rape made

:38:00.:38:01.

handled an accusation of rape made handled an accusation of rape made

:38:01.:38:02.

by an activist against someone else by an activist against someone else

:38:02.:38:03.

by an activist against someone else by an activist against someone else

:38:03.:38:03.

in the body. The party figure denied in the body. The party figure denied

:38:03.:38:05.

in the body. The party figure denied in the body. The party figure denied

:38:05.:38:06.

it, the committee ruled there was no it, the committee ruled there was no

:38:06.:38:07.

it, the committee ruled there was no it, the committee ruled there was no

:38:07.:38:08.

case to answer and the police were case to answer and the police were

:38:08.:38:10.

case to answer and the police were not involved. But four Alec --

:38:11.:38:12.

not involved. But four Alec -- not involved. But four Alec --

:38:12.:38:13.

activists were expelled from the activists were expelled from the

:38:13.:38:14.

activists were expelled from the party for discussing over Facebook

:38:14.:38:14.

party for discussing over Facebook party for discussing over Facebook

:38:14.:38:17.

how it was handled. Others have how it was handled. Others have

:38:17.:38:18.

how it was handled. Others have how it was handled. Others have

:38:18.:38:19.

left. Then a new blog appeared. The left. Then a new blog appeared. The

:38:19.:38:20.

left. Then a new blog appeared. The vendor is behind it want fundamental

:38:20.:38:22.

vendor is behind it want fundamental vendor is behind it want fundamental

:38:22.:38:23.

vendor is behind it want fundamental reform of the party. But try getting

:38:23.:38:25.

reform of the party. But try getting reform of the party. But try getting

:38:25.:38:25.

anyone to talk about it. anyone to talk about it.

:38:25.:38:26.

anyone to talk about it. Investigating the SWP involves the

:38:26.:38:27.

Investigating the SWP involves the Investigating the SWP involves the

:38:27.:38:32.

Investigating the SWP involves the phone being put down on you. A lot.

:38:32.:38:35.

phone being put down on you. A lot. phone being put down on you. A lot.

:38:35.:38:36.

The party hierarchy don't like The party hierarchy don't like

:38:36.:38:37.

The party hierarchy don't like talking to bourgeois media like us.

:38:37.:38:38.

talking to bourgeois media like us. talking to bourgeois media like us.

:38:38.:38:40.

But they have published a statement But they have published a statement

:38:40.:38:41.

But they have published a statement saying that all along, they have

:38:41.:38:42.

saying that all along, they have saying that all along, they have

:38:42.:38:43.

respected the choices of the women respected the choices of the women

:38:43.:38:44.

respected the choices of the women involved and what has been written

:38:44.:38:44.

involved and what has been written involved and what has been written

:38:44.:38:45.

involved and what has been written about this case is a travesty of the

:38:45.:38:46.

about this case is a travesty of the about this case is a travesty of the

:38:46.:38:48.

about this case is a travesty of the truth. No activists want to speak to

:38:48.:38:49.

truth. No activists want to speak to truth. No activists want to speak to

:38:49.:38:50.

truth. No activists want to speak to us, although I chatted to one on the

:38:50.:38:51.

us, although I chatted to one on the us, although I chatted to one on the

:38:51.:38:52.

us, although I chatted to one on the phone who said this is what happens

:38:52.:38:53.

phone who said this is what happens phone who said this is what happens

:38:53.:38:54.

when you have an all knowing when you have an all knowing

:38:54.:38:56.

when you have an all knowing leadership retreat party members as

:38:56.:38:57.

leadership retreat party members as useful and disposable. Observers

:38:57.:38:58.

useful and disposable. Observers useful and disposable. Observers

:38:58.:39:03.

useful and disposable. Observers think this could spell the end.

:39:03.:39:05.

think this could spell the end. think this could spell the end.

:39:05.:39:06.

very much called into question the very much called into question the

:39:06.:39:07.

very much called into question the continued existence of the SWP in

:39:07.:39:08.

continued existence of the SWP in continued existence of the SWP in

:39:08.:39:10.

continued existence of the SWP in its current form. I only hope that

:39:10.:39:12.

its current form. I only hope that its current form. I only hope that

:39:12.:39:12.

the activists, who are well-meaning the activists, who are well-meaning

:39:12.:39:13.

the activists, who are well-meaning the activists, who are well-meaning

:39:13.:39:14.

people who want to fight for a people who want to fight for a

:39:14.:39:14.

people who want to fight for a better society, not just disappear

:39:14.:39:16.

better society, not just disappear better society, not just disappear

:39:16.:39:18.

better society, not just disappear as a result, but can find a

:39:18.:39:19.

as a result, but can find a as a result, but can find a

:39:19.:39:24.

different way of putting their different way of putting their

:39:24.:39:25.

different way of putting their political energy. Here are some of

:39:25.:39:26.

political energy. Here are some of those activists, protesting outside

:39:26.:39:29.

those activists, protesting outside those activists, protesting outside

:39:29.:39:30.

the Tory party conference. But this the Tory party conference. But this

:39:30.:39:32.

the Tory party conference. But this the Tory party conference. But this

:39:32.:39:32.

weekend, the SWP will be holding a weekend, the SWP will be holding a

:39:32.:39:33.

weekend, the SWP will be holding a weekend, the SWP will be holding a

:39:33.:39:34.

special conference of its own to try special conference of its own to try

:39:34.:39:34.

special conference of its own to try special conference of its own to try

:39:34.:39:41.

and draw a line under this episode. and draw a line under this episode.

:39:41.:39:43.

and draw a line under this episode. and draw a line under this episode.

:39:43.:39:45.

If the SWP splinters, as these far If the SWP splinters, as these far

:39:45.:39:46.

If the SWP splinters, as these far left groups regularly because of

:39:46.:39:49.

left groups regularly because of left groups regularly because of

:39:49.:39:50.

this particular case, I would this particular case, I would

:39:50.:39:51.

this particular case, I would suggest that it will emerge in

:39:51.:39:52.

suggest that it will emerge in suggest that it will emerge in

:39:52.:39:53.

another form. There will be another another form. There will be another

:39:53.:39:54.

another form. There will be another far left group under a different

:39:54.:39:57.

far left group under a different far left group under a different

:39:57.:39:58.

title. It has been splintering for title. It has been splintering for

:39:58.:39:59.

title. It has been splintering for title. It has been splintering for

:39:59.:39:59.

some time after the Iraq war, with some time after the Iraq war, with

:39:59.:40:03.

some time after the Iraq war, with George Galloway and Respect. But the

:40:03.:40:05.

George Galloway and Respect. But the George Galloway and Respect. But the

:40:05.:40:06.

George Galloway and Respect. But the importance of the SWP is that it is

:40:06.:40:10.

importance of the SWP is that it is importance of the SWP is that it is

:40:10.:40:11.

importance of the SWP is that it is the biggest and most vocal and most

:40:11.:40:13.

the biggest and most vocal and most the biggest and most vocal and most

:40:13.:40:13.

organised. If it keeps splintering, organised. If it keeps splintering,

:40:13.:40:14.

organised. If it keeps splintering, organised. If it keeps splintering,

:40:14.:40:17.

all the bits will just get weaker. all the bits will just get weaker.

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all the bits will just get weaker. all the bits will just get weaker.

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They are on a downward spiral. They They are on a downward spiral. They

:40:19.:40:20.

They are on a downward spiral. They are recruiting in universities, they

:40:20.:40:21.

are recruiting in universities, they are recruiting in universities, they

:40:21.:40:24.

are recruiting in universities, they are seen as idealistic and if you

:40:24.:40:26.

are seen as idealistic and if you are seen as idealistic and if you

:40:26.:40:29.

read the details, it was appalling, read the details, it was appalling,

:40:29.:40:30.

read the details, it was appalling, read the details, it was appalling,

:40:30.:40:31.

what went on and how they handled what went on and how they handled

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what went on and how they handled it. That filtered away students.

:40:35.:40:35.

it. That filtered away students. it. That filtered away students.

:40:35.:40:40.

Obviously, the far left are vocal. Obviously, the far left are vocal.

:40:40.:40:41.

Obviously, the far left are vocal. They can organise demonstrations and

:40:41.:40:44.

They can organise demonstrations and attach themselves to wider

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attach themselves to wider attach themselves to wider

:40:45.:40:47.

demonstrations like the TUC and so demonstrations like the TUC and so

:40:47.:40:48.

demonstrations like the TUC and so on. But it is interesting that

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on. But it is interesting that on. But it is interesting that

:40:50.:40:54.

on. But it is interesting that opposed the great crash of 2008, the

:40:54.:40:55.

opposed the great crash of 2008, the opposed the great crash of 2008, the

:40:55.:40:56.

crisis of capitalism, it seemed, and crisis of capitalism, it seemed, and

:40:56.:40:57.

crisis of capitalism, it seemed, and crisis of capitalism, it seemed, and

:40:57.:41:00.

yet the far left has struggled to yet the far left has struggled to

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yet the far left has struggled to get traction. Absolutely. They are

:41:02.:41:02.

get traction. Absolutely. They are get traction. Absolutely. They are

:41:02.:41:04.

still very much a fringe outfit. still very much a fringe outfit.

:41:04.:41:06.

still very much a fringe outfit. Watching that film, you wonder if

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Watching that film, you wonder if Watching that film, you wonder if

:41:06.:41:08.

Watching that film, you wonder if one of the things that puts people

:41:08.:41:08.

one of the things that puts people one of the things that puts people

:41:08.:41:10.

one of the things that puts people off is the way they run themselves,

:41:10.:41:13.

off is the way they run themselves, off is the way they run themselves,

:41:13.:41:14.

their secrecy. It sounds like such their secrecy. It sounds like such

:41:14.:41:16.

their secrecy. It sounds like such their secrecy. It sounds like such

:41:16.:41:20.

hard work, even if you shared their hard work, even if you shared their

:41:20.:41:23.

hard work, even if you shared their ideals. They attach themselves to

:41:23.:41:24.

ideals. They attach themselves to ideals. They attach themselves to

:41:24.:41:24.

ideals. They attach themselves to big movements, but they are not the

:41:24.:41:28.

big movements, but they are not the big movements, but they are not the

:41:28.:41:28.

big movements, but they are not the real drivers. If you speak to them

:41:28.:41:29.

real drivers. If you speak to them real drivers. If you speak to them

:41:29.:41:30.

individually, they are fine and you individually, they are fine and you

:41:30.:41:31.

individually, they are fine and you can have an interesting debate. If

:41:31.:41:33.

can have an interesting debate. If can have an interesting debate. If

:41:34.:41:34.

can have an interesting debate. If you get them in a three or four

:41:34.:41:36.

you get them in a three or four you get them in a three or four

:41:36.:41:38.

cell, they are bunkers. They are cell, they are bunkers. They are

:41:38.:41:40.

cell, they are bunkers. They are cell, they are bunkers. They are

:41:40.:41:43.

noisy and visible, but that is about Time now to refresh your memory of

:41:43.:41:44.

Time now to refresh your memory of Time now to refresh your memory of

:41:44.:41:45.

the big stories that have dominated the big stories that have dominated

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the big stories that have dominated the political week in 60 seconds.

:41:53.:41:54.

the political week in 60 seconds. the political week in 60 seconds.

:41:54.:41:55.

the political week in 60 seconds. The week's games began with a sack

:41:55.:41:57.

The week's games began with a sack The week's games began with a sack

:41:57.:41:58.

race. Knives out for Sir David race. Knives out for Sir David

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race. Knives out for Sir David Nicholson, who admitted a big

:41:59.:41:59.

Nicholson, who admitted a big Nicholson, who admitted a big

:41:59.:42:03.

failing in the scandal over Mid failing in the scandal over Mid

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Staffordshire, inside the regional Staffordshire, inside the regional

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Staffordshire, inside the regional Staffordshire, inside the regional

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Health Authority he then ran. But he Health Authority he then ran. But he

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Health Authority he then ran. But he is staying put running it. Vince

:42:09.:42:10.

is staying put running it. Vince is staying put running it. Vince

:42:10.:42:10.

is staying put running it. Vince Cable writes that it might be time

:42:11.:42:11.

Cable writes that it might be time Cable writes that it might be time

:42:11.:42:13.

to borrow and invest in to borrow and invest in

:42:13.:42:14.

to borrow and invest in infrastructure. The PM said it had

:42:14.:42:15.

infrastructure. The PM said it had infrastructure. The PM said it had

:42:15.:42:16.

infrastructure. The PM said it had plunged the UK into the abyss if he

:42:16.:42:18.

plunged the UK into the abyss if he changed course. Westminster played

:42:18.:42:21.

changed course. Westminster played changed course. Westminster played

:42:21.:42:23.

changed course. Westminster played the main game. Use a bedroom tax, he

:42:23.:42:26.

the main game. Use a bedroom tax, he the main game. Use a bedroom tax, he

:42:26.:42:27.

says spare room subsidy. The bobby says spare room subsidy. The bobby

:42:27.:42:28.

says spare room subsidy. The bobby says spare room subsidy. The bobby

:42:28.:42:29.

dazzler bird is spotted at PMQs as a dazzler bird is spotted at PMQs as a

:42:29.:42:30.

dazzler bird is spotted at PMQs as a dazzler bird is spotted at PMQs as a

:42:30.:42:33.

Lib Dem MP sported a smart party Lib Dem MP sported a smart party

:42:33.:42:34.

Lib Dem MP sported a smart party logo waistcoat, or a custard

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logo waistcoat, or a custard logo waistcoat, or a custard

:42:35.:42:35.

logo waistcoat, or a custard spillage. And Theresa May is in the

:42:35.:42:37.

spillage. And Theresa May is in the spillage. And Theresa May is in the

:42:37.:42:38.

spillage. And Theresa May is in the way as Ed hits top gear. I look

:42:38.:42:39.

way as Ed hits top gear. I look way as Ed hits top gear. I look

:42:39.:42:40.

way as Ed hits top gear. I look forward to facing her when they are

:42:40.:42:41.

forward to facing her when they are forward to facing her when they are

:42:41.:42:44.

in opposition. Hammond gives a in opposition. Hammond gives a

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in opposition. Hammond gives a in opposition. Hammond gives a

:42:45.:42:46.

green. And Fat Boy Slim is in the green. And Fat Boy Slim is in the

:42:46.:42:47.

green. And Fat Boy Slim is in the green. And Fat Boy Slim is in the

:42:47.:42:49.

house, so Tory MPs can frequently -- house, so Tory MPs can frequently --

:42:49.:42:52.

briefly forget frantic manoeuvring briefly forget frantic manoeuvring

:42:52.:42:58.

for dance moves. for dance moves.

:42:58.:43:00.

Pictures thereof Conservative MPs Pictures thereof Conservative MPs

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Pictures thereof Conservative MPs Pictures thereof Conservative MPs

:43:00.:43:01.

getting on down to Fat Boy Slim in getting on down to Fat Boy Slim in

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getting on down to Fat Boy Slim in Parliament. If those shocking images

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Parliament. If those shocking images Parliament. If those shocking images

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Parliament. If those shocking images have upset you, I can only apologise

:43:05.:43:06.

have upset you, I can only apologise have upset you, I can only apologise

:43:06.:43:08.

for not giving you advance warning. for not giving you advance warning.

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for not giving you advance warning. Happily, there will be no such

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Happily, there will be no such shenanigans tomorrow, when senior

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shenanigans tomorrow, when senior shenanigans tomorrow, when senior

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Tories gather for the Conservative Tories gather for the Conservative

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Tories gather for the Conservative Home victory in 2015 conference.

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Home victory in 2015 conference. Home victory in 2015 conference.

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They are nothing if not optimistic. They are nothing if not optimistic.

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They are nothing if not optimistic. They are nothing if not optimistic.

:43:19.:43:21.

A week after they failed to win the A week after they failed to win the

:43:21.:43:25.

A week after they failed to win the easterly by-election, a seat that

:43:25.:43:26.

easterly by-election, a seat that easterly by-election, a seat that

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easterly by-election, a seat that will not let them form an overall

:43:27.:43:28.

will not let them form an overall will not let them form an overall

:43:28.:43:28.

majority, they will be discussing majority, they will be discussing

:43:28.:43:30.

majority, they will be discussing majority, they will be discussing

:43:30.:43:31.

how to win an outright majority in how to win an outright majority in

:43:31.:43:32.

how to win an outright majority in 2015. There will be keynote speeches

:43:32.:43:35.

2015. There will be keynote speeches 2015. There will be keynote speeches

:43:35.:43:36.

from Michael Ashcroft, Grant Shapps, from Michael Ashcroft, Grant Shapps,

:43:36.:43:37.

from Michael Ashcroft, Grant Shapps, the chairman of the Conservative

:43:37.:43:39.

the chairman of the Conservative the chairman of the Conservative

:43:39.:43:40.

party and Home Secretary Theresa party and Home Secretary Theresa

:43:40.:43:41.

party and Home Secretary Theresa May. She is rumoured to harbour

:43:41.:43:41.

May. She is rumoured to harbour May. She is rumoured to harbour

:43:41.:43:44.

leadership ambitions of her own. Who leadership ambitions of her own. Who

:43:44.:43:46.

leadership ambitions of her own. Who leadership ambitions of her own. Who

:43:46.:43:46.

would have thought it? We are joined would have thought it? We are joined

:43:46.:43:48.

would have thought it? We are joined by the editor of Conservative Home,

:43:48.:43:52.

by the editor of Conservative Home, by the editor of Conservative Home,

:43:52.:43:52.

Tim Montgomerie, and Nadhim Zahawi, Tim Montgomerie, and Nadhim Zahawi,

:43:52.:43:53.

Tim Montgomerie, and Nadhim Zahawi, who will be chairing the conference.

:43:53.:43:56.

who will be chairing the conference. who will be chairing the conference.

:43:56.:43:57.

who will be chairing the conference. So hand on heart, with an honesty

:43:57.:43:57.

So hand on heart, with an honesty So hand on heart, with an honesty

:43:57.:43:58.

So hand on heart, with an honesty meter in your head, what chance have

:43:58.:43:59.

meter in your head, what chance have meter in your head, what chance have

:43:59.:44:04.

you got of winning an overall you got of winning an overall

:44:04.:44:05.

you got of winning an overall majority? Small. It will be an

:44:05.:44:06.

majority? Small. It will be an majority? Small. It will be an

:44:06.:44:08.

incredibly tough challenge for the incredibly tough challenge for the

:44:08.:44:08.

incredibly tough challenge for the Conservative party to win. The

:44:08.:44:10.

Conservative party to win. The Conservative party to win. The

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Conservative Party has not won a Conservative Party has not won a

:44:12.:44:13.

Conservative Party has not won a majority since 1992. If you look

:44:13.:44:14.

majority since 1992. If you look majority since 1992. If you look

:44:14.:44:15.

across the Atlantic at America, the across the Atlantic at America, the

:44:15.:44:16.

across the Atlantic at America, the Republicans have only one more than

:44:16.:44:17.

Republicans have only one more than Republicans have only one more than

:44:17.:44:20.

Republicans have only one more than 50% in one of the last six

:44:20.:44:21.

50% in one of the last six residential elections. Something has

:44:21.:44:23.

residential elections. Something has residential elections. Something has

:44:23.:44:24.

gone badly wrong on the right, gone badly wrong on the right,

:44:24.:44:24.

gone badly wrong on the right, perhaps coinciding with the end of

:44:24.:44:26.

perhaps coinciding with the end of perhaps coinciding with the end of

:44:26.:44:27.

perhaps coinciding with the end of the Cold War, but we think other

:44:27.:44:27.

the Cold War, but we think other the Cold War, but we think other

:44:27.:44:29.

the Cold War, but we think other factors are at play as well. So

:44:29.:44:31.

factors are at play as well. So factors are at play as well. So

:44:31.:44:32.

tomorrow is about winning the next tomorrow is about winning the next

:44:32.:44:32.

tomorrow is about winning the next election. We are talking about

:44:33.:44:37.

election. We are talking about election. We are talking about

:44:37.:44:38.

battleground, but we will also ask battleground, but we will also ask

:44:38.:44:41.

battleground, but we will also ask what conservatism is for now? What

:44:41.:44:42.

what conservatism is for now? What what conservatism is for now? What

:44:42.:44:43.

what conservatism is for now? What is the brand about? There seems to

:44:43.:44:44.

is the brand about? There seems to is the brand about? There seems to

:44:44.:44:45.

be a shortfall in our connection be a shortfall in our connection

:44:45.:44:49.

be a shortfall in our connection with the electorate. The chances are

:44:49.:44:53.

with the electorate. The chances are with the electorate. The chances are

:44:53.:44:54.

with the electorate. The chances are small. If you look at today's # you

:44:54.:44:55.

small. If you look at today's # you small. If you look at today's # you

:44:55.:44:59.

small. If you look at today's # you got pole, we are nine points behind

:44:59.:45:00.

got pole, we are nine points behind got pole, we are nine points behind

:45:00.:45:01.

got pole, we are nine points behind Labour. The Lib Dems share 11 points

:45:01.:45:02.

Labour. The Lib Dems share 11 points Labour. The Lib Dems share 11 points

:45:02.:45:03.

Labour. The Lib Dems share 11 points each with UKIP, so it is tough. We

:45:04.:45:05.

each with UKIP, so it is tough. We each with UKIP, so it is tough. We

:45:05.:45:05.

each with UKIP, so it is tough. We each with UKIP, so it is tough. We

:45:05.:45:06.

need to be on 40 points. In the real need to be on 40 points. In the real

:45:06.:45:07.

need to be on 40 points. In the real need to be on 40 points. In the real

:45:07.:45:09.

race in 2010, we got about 37 points race in 2010, we got about 37 points

:45:09.:45:10.

race in 2010, we got about 37 points race in 2010, we got about 37 points

:45:10.:45:20.
:45:20.:45:26.

People are dealing with household People are dealing with household

:45:26.:45:28.

People are dealing with household stuff, bringing pain to your pocket.

:45:28.:45:29.

stuff, bringing pain to your pocket. stuff, bringing pain to your pocket.

:45:29.:45:30.

stuff, bringing pain to your pocket. If we can in 2015 demonstrate that

:45:30.:45:31.

If we can in 2015 demonstrate that If we can in 2015 demonstrate that

:45:31.:45:32.

the economy is healing, that we're the economy is healing, that we're

:45:32.:45:33.

the economy is healing, that we're in the right direction, that things

:45:33.:45:34.

in the right direction, that things in the right direction, that things

:45:34.:45:36.

that we've done have begun to that we've done have begun to

:45:36.:45:37.

that we've done have begun to deliver. If we can demonstrate that

:45:37.:45:38.

deliver. If we can demonstrate that deliver. If we can demonstrate that

:45:39.:45:39.

we've reformed welfare and have we've reformed welfare and have

:45:39.:45:40.

we've reformed welfare and have we've reformed welfare and have

:45:40.:45:41.

delivered it and it's bedded in and delivered it and it's bedded in and

:45:41.:45:42.

delivered it and it's bedded in and delivered it and it's bedded in and

:45:42.:45:43.

it really does always pay to work, it really does always pay to work,

:45:43.:45:45.

it really does always pay to work, because people have to see, not

:45:45.:45:46.

because people have to see, not because people have to see, not

:45:46.:45:47.

because people have to see, not just, you know, just the PR press

:45:47.:45:48.

just, you know, just the PR press just, you know, just the PR press

:45:48.:45:49.

conference, they have to see. conference, they have to see.

:45:49.:45:51.

conference, they have to see. That's the big difference. If we

:45:51.:45:55.

That's the big difference. If we That's the big difference. If we

:45:55.:45:56.

really do deliver Michael Gove's on really do deliver Michael Gove's on

:45:56.:45:57.

really do deliver Michael Gove's on schools where every child in the

:45:57.:45:58.

schools where every child in the schools where every child in the

:45:58.:45:58.

country has the opportunity to go country has the opportunity to go

:45:58.:45:59.

country has the opportunity to go country has the opportunity to go

:45:59.:46:01.

it a great school, we stand a good it a great school, we stand a good

:46:02.:46:04.

it a great school, we stand a good it a great school, we stand a good

:46:04.:46:05.

chance of going up on that positive chance of going up on that positive

:46:05.:46:06.

chance of going up on that positive message, saying let's keep going,

:46:06.:46:07.

message, saying let's keep going, message, saying let's keep going,

:46:08.:46:08.

give us another chance. The problem give us another chance. The problem

:46:08.:46:09.

give us another chance. The problem give us another chance. The problem

:46:09.:46:11.

is that you're running out of time? is that you're running out of time?

:46:11.:46:12.

is that you're running out of time? The education and the welfare

:46:12.:46:13.

The education and the welfare The education and the welfare

:46:13.:46:13.

reforms whether they're right or reforms whether they're right or

:46:14.:46:15.

reforms whether they're right or reforms whether they're right or

:46:15.:46:16.

wrong, Notts for me to say, but wrong, Notts for me to say, but

:46:16.:46:18.

wrong, Notts for me to say, but wrong, Notts for me to say, but

:46:18.:46:19.

they take a while for -- to bed they take a while for -- to bed

:46:19.:46:20.

they take a while for -- to bed they take a while for -- to bed

:46:20.:46:22.

down and see what the impact s. On down and see what the impact s. On

:46:22.:46:24.

down and see what the impact s. On the economy, the economic cycle and

:46:24.:46:25.

the economy, the economic cycle and the economy, the economic cycle and

:46:25.:46:26.

political cycle are out of kilter. political cycle are out of kilter.

:46:26.:46:27.

political cycle are out of kilter. political cycle are out of kilter.

:46:27.:46:29.

The plan was by 2013 it would start The plan was by 2013 it would start

:46:29.:46:30.

The plan was by 2013 it would start The plan was by 2013 it would start

:46:30.:46:31.

to be getting better, not that you to be getting better, not that you

:46:31.:46:32.

to be getting better, not that you had solved everything but you could

:46:32.:46:33.

had solved everything but you could had solved everything but you could

:46:33.:46:33.

had solved everything but you could say we've turned the corner and in

:46:33.:46:35.

say we've turned the corner and in say we've turned the corner and in

:46:35.:46:36.

say we've turned the corner and in a couple of years' time, you will

:46:36.:46:37.

a couple of years' time, you will a couple of years' time, you will

:46:37.:46:37.

a couple of years' time, you will see real change. You won't be able

:46:38.:46:39.

see real change. You won't be able see real change. You won't be able

:46:39.:46:41.

see real change. You won't be able to say that now. I'm not sure what

:46:41.:46:42.

to say that now. I'm not sure what to say that now. I'm not sure what

:46:42.:46:45.

to say that now. I'm not sure what that I agree with you. There will

:46:45.:46:46.

that I agree with you. There will that I agree with you. There will

:46:46.:46:47.

be real progress by the next be real progress by the next

:46:47.:46:49.

election. It won't be election. It won't be

:46:49.:46:50.

election. It won't be transformation. On the economy?I

:46:50.:46:51.

transformation. On the economy?I transformation. On the economy?I

:46:51.:46:52.

think it's enough to say the think it's enough to say the

:46:52.:46:53.

think it's enough to say the deficit is coming down and the

:46:53.:46:55.

deficit is coming down and the deficit is coming down and the

:46:55.:46:58.

consmi picking up. There'll be consmi picking up. There'll be

:46:58.:47:00.

enough particularly relative to enough particularly relative to

:47:00.:47:01.

enough particularly relative to labour. The problem is not beating

:47:02.:47:02.

labour. The problem is not beating labour. The problem is not beating

:47:02.:47:03.

labour. The problem is not beating Labour, we've done a poll of Tory

:47:03.:47:04.

Labour, we've done a poll of Tory Labour, we've done a poll of Tory

:47:04.:47:06.

members, they feel we can beat members, they feel we can beat

:47:06.:47:07.

members, they feel we can beat Labour. The problem is and this

:47:07.:47:08.

Labour. The problem is and this Labour. The problem is and this

:47:08.:47:09.

might be David Cameron's historic might be David Cameron's historic

:47:09.:47:11.

might be David Cameron's historic might be David Cameron's historic

:47:11.:47:12.

legacy, we have a divided right, a legacy, we have a divided right, a

:47:13.:47:14.

significantly divided right. significantly divided right.

:47:14.:47:16.

significantly divided right. significantly divided right.

:47:16.:47:18.

mean ekip. For the first time in mean ekip. For the first time in

:47:18.:47:19.

mean ekip. For the first time in the post-war period. That is the

:47:19.:47:20.

the post-war period. That is the the post-war period. That is the

:47:20.:47:21.

huge fact of British politics at huge fact of British politics at

:47:21.:47:22.

huge fact of British politics at huge fact of British politics at

:47:22.:47:23.

the moment. It's going to be a the moment. It's going to be a

:47:23.:47:24.

the moment. It's going to be a balancing act. As well as attacking

:47:24.:47:25.

balancing act. As well as attacking balancing act. As well as attacking

:47:25.:47:27.

Labour and defeating Ed Miliband, Labour and defeating Ed Miliband,

:47:27.:47:28.

Labour and defeating Ed Miliband, which is doable, David Cameron has

:47:28.:47:30.

which is doable, David Cameron has which is doable, David Cameron has

:47:30.:47:32.

the potentially harder task of the potentially harder task of

:47:32.:47:34.

reuniting a fractious Conservative reuniting a fractious Conservative

:47:34.:47:35.

reuniting a fractious Conservative vote. I think the Tories have

:47:35.:47:36.

vote. I think the Tories have vote. I think the Tories have

:47:36.:47:36.

another technical problem and a another technical problem and a

:47:37.:47:37.

another technical problem and a huge one. Because you didn't get

:47:37.:47:38.

huge one. Because you didn't get huge one. Because you didn't get

:47:38.:47:40.

the boundary changes through that the boundary changes through that

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the boundary changes through that you wanted, no matter how much

:47:41.:47:42.

you wanted, no matter how much you wanted, no matter how much

:47:42.:47:43.

you wanted, no matter how much things improve, it is going to be

:47:43.:47:44.

things improve, it is going to be things improve, it is going to be

:47:44.:47:46.

really, really hard for you to really, really hard for you to

:47:46.:47:48.

really, really hard for you to actually win an outright victory.

:47:48.:47:50.

actually win an outright victory. actually win an outright victory.

:47:50.:47:50.

actually win an outright victory. And worse, if Labour does well and

:47:50.:47:52.

And worse, if Labour does well and And worse, if Labour does well and

:47:52.:47:53.

particularly if they manage to pull particularly if they manage to pull

:47:53.:47:54.

particularly if they manage to pull particularly if they manage to pull

:47:55.:47:56.

off perhaps even they don't do that off perhaps even they don't do that

:47:56.:47:58.

off perhaps even they don't do that well, a Lib Dem/Labour coalition,

:47:58.:48:00.

well, a Lib Dem/Labour coalition, well, a Lib Dem/Labour coalition,

:48:00.:48:01.

Labour ain't going to change the Labour ain't going to change the

:48:01.:48:02.

Labour ain't going to change the boundaries, you could be out of

:48:02.:48:03.

boundaries, you could be out of boundaries, you could be out of

:48:03.:48:05.

office for years and years and office for years and years and

:48:06.:48:06.

office for years and years and years. What's really interesting is

:48:06.:48:08.

years. What's really interesting is years. What's really interesting is

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when you look at people considering when you look at people considering

:48:10.:48:11.

when you look at people considering voting Conservative or UKIP, the

:48:11.:48:13.

voting Conservative or UKIP, the voting Conservative or UKIP, the

:48:13.:48:14.

people who would come back from people who would come back from

:48:14.:48:15.

people who would come back from UKIP to Conservative, their biggest

:48:15.:48:17.

UKIP to Conservative, their biggest UKIP to Conservative, their biggest

:48:17.:48:17.

fear is allowing a Labour fear is allowing a Labour

:48:17.:48:20.

fear is allowing a Labour Government into office. That would

:48:20.:48:22.

Government into office. That would Government into office. That would

:48:22.:48:23.

be the narrative to an election be the narrative to an election

:48:23.:48:24.

be the narrative to an election be the narrative to an election

:48:24.:48:25.

campaign, is to say if you vote campaign, is to say if you vote

:48:25.:48:26.

campaign, is to say if you vote campaign, is to say if you vote

:48:26.:48:27.

UKIP you will allow Ed Miliband to UKIP you will allow Ed Miliband to

:48:27.:48:28.

UKIP you will allow Ed Miliband to run the country. The remember

:48:28.:48:29.

run the country. The remember run the country. The remember

:48:29.:48:31.

labour groups doing what you're labour groups doing what you're

:48:31.:48:32.

doing, the faibians, progress doing, the faibians, progress

:48:32.:48:34.

doing, the faibians, progress tendency thinking we can do this.

:48:34.:48:35.

tendency thinking we can do this. tendency thinking we can do this.

:48:35.:48:37.

Look at the maths, after Look at the maths, after

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everything's that has happened, everything's that has happened,

:48:38.:48:39.

everything's that has happened, things that have gone, some you

:48:39.:48:40.

things that have gone, some you things that have gone, some you

:48:40.:48:40.

things that have gone, some you blame on Labour, some you get wrong

:48:40.:48:42.

blame on Labour, some you get wrong blame on Labour, some you get wrong

:48:42.:48:42.

blame on Labour, some you get wrong yourself, it's hard to see how you

:48:43.:48:45.

yourself, it's hard to see how you yourself, it's hard to see how you

:48:45.:48:48.

yourself, it's hard to see how you will get as many votes as in 2010,

:48:48.:48:50.

will get as many votes as in 2010, will get as many votes as in 2010,

:48:50.:48:51.

Gordon Brown, so you'll be down. Gordon Brown, so you'll be down.

:48:51.:48:53.

Gordon Brown, so you'll be down. Gordon Brown, so you'll be down.

:48:53.:48:53.

Labour's bound to be up from 29. Labour's bound to be up from 29.

:48:53.:48:55.

Labour's bound to be up from 29. Labour up two, Labour the biggest

:48:55.:48:56.

Labour up two, Labour the biggest Labour up two, Labour the biggest

:48:56.:48:58.

party. That's why you're right a party. That's why you're right a

:48:58.:48:58.

party. That's why you're right a party. That's why you're right a

:48:59.:48:59.

fight all the way as a political fight all the way as a political

:48:59.:49:01.

fight all the way as a political fight all the way as a political

:49:01.:49:02.

party. But you're not going to do party. But you're not going to do

:49:02.:49:02.

party. But you're not going to do it. Our greatest asset is Ed

:49:02.:49:05.

it. Our greatest asset is Ed it. Our greatest asset is Ed

:49:05.:49:06.

Miliband. What's your other asset? Miliband. What's your other asset?

:49:06.:49:09.

Miliband. What's your other asset? Miliband. What's your other asset?

:49:09.:49:10.

He lags way behind. What is the He lags way behind. What is the

:49:10.:49:11.

He lags way behind. What is the other asset? The Cabinet members

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other asset? The Cabinet members other asset? The Cabinet members

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delivering the stuff I've just told delivering the stuff I've just told

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delivering the stuff I've just told you about. Why is David Cameron

:49:16.:49:17.

you about. Why is David Cameron you about. Why is David Cameron

:49:17.:49:18.

wriggling on three TV debates? wriggling on three TV debates?

:49:18.:49:20.

wriggling on three TV debates? wriggling on three TV debates?

:49:20.:49:20.

He'll have a record to defend and He'll have a record to defend and

:49:20.:49:21.

He'll have a record to defend and He'll have a record to defend and

:49:21.:49:22.

he can't defend it. You might have he can't defend it. You might have

:49:22.:49:23.

he can't defend it. You might have he can't defend it. You might have

:49:23.:49:24.

he can't defend it. You might have a go at Ed Miliband, but you have a

:49:24.:49:25.

a go at Ed Miliband, but you have a a go at Ed Miliband, but you have a

:49:25.:49:26.

liability in David Cameron. liability in David Cameron.

:49:26.:49:27.

liability in David Cameron. seems to me, if you're a

:49:27.:49:29.

seems to me, if you're a seems to me, if you're a

:49:29.:49:30.

Conservative it's daunting, you got Conservative it's daunting, you got

:49:30.:49:31.

Conservative it's daunting, you got Conservative it's daunting, you got

:49:31.:49:33.

less than 37% of the vote in 2010. less than 37% of the vote in 2010.

:49:33.:49:34.

less than 37% of the vote in 2010. To form an overall majority, given

:49:34.:49:35.

To form an overall majority, given To form an overall majority, given

:49:35.:49:37.

you didn't get the boundary changes you didn't get the boundary changes

:49:37.:49:38.

you didn't get the boundary changes you didn't get the boundary changes

:49:38.:49:39.

that Sue talked about, you need at that Sue talked about, you need at

:49:39.:49:40.

that Sue talked about, you need at that Sue talked about, you need at

:49:40.:49:41.

least 40, maybe 41% of the vote, least 40, maybe 41% of the vote,

:49:41.:49:43.

least 40, maybe 41% of the vote, which means that you have to

:49:43.:49:44.

which means that you have to which means that you have to

:49:44.:49:45.

actually increase your share of the actually increase your share of the

:49:45.:49:47.

actually increase your share of the actually increase your share of the

:49:47.:49:50.

vote by what four or five, maybe as vote by what four or five, maybe as

:49:50.:49:52.

vote by what four or five, maybe as much as 6%. No Government, sitting

:49:52.:49:53.

much as 6%. No Government, sitting much as 6%. No Government, sitting

:49:53.:49:54.

Government even Mrs Thatcher never Government even Mrs Thatcher never

:49:54.:49:55.

Government even Mrs Thatcher never Government even Mrs Thatcher never

:49:55.:49:56.

increased her share of the vote on increased her share of the vote on

:49:56.:49:58.

increased her share of the vote on increased her share of the vote on

:49:58.:49:59.

increased her share of the vote on 83 to 79 or 87 to 83. The last

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83 to 79 or 87 to 83. The last 83 to 79 or 87 to 83. The last

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person to do it was... Harold person to do it was... Harold

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person to do it was... Harold Wilson. No, that was in unusual

:50:04.:50:07.

Wilson. No, that was in unusual Wilson. No, that was in unusual

:50:07.:50:08.

circumstances. Really it was Sir circumstances. Really it was Sir

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circumstances. Really it was Sir circumstances. Really it was Sir

:50:10.:50:11.

Antony Eden in 1955. In 1955, the Antony Eden in 1955. In 1955, the

:50:11.:50:12.

Antony Eden in 1955. In 1955, the Tories had changed leader from

:50:12.:50:14.

Tories had changed leader from Tories had changed leader from

:50:14.:50:15.

Churchill to Eden. Eden was Churchill to Eden. Eden was

:50:15.:50:17.

Churchill to Eden. Eden was Churchill to Eden. Eden was

:50:17.:50:18.

regarded as, at that time, as a man regarded as, at that time, as a man

:50:18.:50:19.

regarded as, at that time, as a man of huge distinction and a Tory

:50:19.:50:21.

of huge distinction and a Tory of huge distinction and a Tory

:50:21.:50:23.

leader. 1955 was the year when leader. 1955 was the year when

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leader. 1955 was the year when living standards the post-war boom

:50:24.:50:26.

living standards the post-war boom living standards the post-war boom

:50:26.:50:29.

had taken off. We were all had taken off. We were all

:50:29.:50:29.

particularly, ordinary voters particularly, ordinary voters

:50:29.:50:31.

particularly, ordinary voters feeling better off. It's difficult.

:50:31.:50:33.

feeling better off. It's difficult. feeling better off. It's difficult.

:50:33.:50:34.

feeling better off. It's difficult. It is, I've hardly been Mr Sunshine

:50:34.:50:35.

It is, I've hardly been Mr Sunshine It is, I've hardly been Mr Sunshine

:50:35.:50:36.

about Tory prospects here. I think about Tory prospects here. I think

:50:36.:50:37.

about Tory prospects here. I think about Tory prospects here. I think

:50:37.:50:39.

it is doable. I agree on that. It it is doable. I agree on that. It

:50:39.:50:41.

it is doable. I agree on that. It it is doable. I agree on that. It

:50:41.:50:42.

it is doable. I agree on that. It is hard to add to a vote share, but

:50:42.:50:44.

is hard to add to a vote share, but is hard to add to a vote share, but

:50:44.:50:45.

we did fight an absolutely dire we did fight an absolutely dire

:50:45.:50:46.

we did fight an absolutely dire general election campaign last time.

:50:46.:50:49.

general election campaign last time. general election campaign last time.

:50:49.:50:49.

general election campaign last time. We did not Max miles our potential

:50:49.:50:52.

We did not Max miles our potential We did not Max miles our potential

:50:52.:50:54.

last time. -- maximise our last time. -- maximise our

:50:54.:50:55.

last time. -- maximise our potentially hast. I reviewed the

:50:55.:50:56.

potentially hast. I reviewed the potentially hast. I reviewed the

:50:56.:50:57.

campaign. I asked what the theme campaign. I asked what the theme

:50:57.:50:59.

campaign. I asked what the theme was. They all gave me different

:50:59.:51:00.

was. They all gave me different was. They all gave me different

:51:00.:51:00.

answers. So the electorate didn't answers. So the electorate didn't

:51:01.:51:02.

answers. So the electorate didn't answers. So the electorate didn't

:51:02.:51:04.

have a chance. Why will it be have a chance. Why will it be

:51:04.:51:04.

have a chance. Why will it be different this time? Lynton Crosby

:51:05.:51:06.

different this time? Lynton Crosby different this time? Lynton Crosby

:51:06.:51:07.

different this time? Lynton Crosby is a huge addition to the team. We

:51:08.:51:09.

is a huge addition to the team. We is a huge addition to the team. We

:51:09.:51:11.

is a huge addition to the team. We haven't seen the impact of him yet.

:51:11.:51:12.

haven't seen the impact of him yet. haven't seen the impact of him yet.

:51:12.:51:13.

People concentrate on his role in People concentrate on his role in

:51:13.:51:14.

People concentrate on his role in the Michael Howard campaign and the

:51:14.:51:15.

the Michael Howard campaign and the the Michael Howard campaign and the

:51:15.:51:16.

values of that campaign, but the values of that campaign, but the

:51:16.:51:17.

values of that campaign, but the values of that campaign, but the

:51:17.:51:19.

main thing is that he does campaign main thing is that he does campaign

:51:19.:51:21.

main thing is that he does campaign discipline. He chooses a theme, he

:51:21.:51:22.

discipline. He chooses a theme, he discipline. He chooses a theme, he

:51:22.:51:23.

thinks what do we want the thinks what do we want the

:51:23.:51:25.

thinks what do we want the electorate to be thinking about in

:51:25.:51:27.

electorate to be thinking about in electorate to be thinking about in

:51:27.:51:27.

the polling booth? He starts the polling booth? He starts

:51:27.:51:28.

the polling booth? He starts the polling booth? He starts

:51:28.:51:30.

planning now to ensure that is the planning now to ensure that is the

:51:30.:51:32.

planning now to ensure that is the case. On Lynton, the lesson from

:51:32.:51:32.

case. On Lynton, the lesson from case. On Lynton, the lesson from

:51:32.:51:35.

case. On Lynton, the lesson from Boris is you have to be awe thenic.

:51:35.:51:37.

Boris is you have to be awe thenic. Boris is you have to be awe thenic.

:51:37.:51:38.

People will disagree with you but People will disagree with you but

:51:38.:51:39.

People will disagree with you but they respect you if they think

:51:39.:51:39.

they respect you if they think they respect you if they think

:51:39.:51:40.

you're telling the truth. That was you're telling the truth. That was

:51:40.:51:42.

you're telling the truth. That was you're telling the truth. That was

:51:42.:51:42.

done in less than 20 seconds. Thank done in less than 20 seconds. Thank

:51:42.:51:43.

done in less than 20 seconds. Thank done in less than 20 seconds. Thank

:51:43.:51:44.

you for. That a lot of conferences you for. That a lot of conferences

:51:44.:51:46.

you for. That a lot of conferences on that weekend. We have the

:51:46.:51:47.

on that weekend. We have the Liberal Democrat, the socialist

:51:48.:51:51.

Liberal Democrat, the socialist Liberal Democrat, the socialist

:51:51.:51:53.

workers, Conservative home. What a workers, Conservative home. What a

:51:53.:51:55.

workers, Conservative home. What a medley. What a wonderful weekend!

:51:55.:51:56.

medley. What a wonderful weekend! medley. What a wonderful weekend!

:51:56.:51:57.

medley. What a wonderful weekend! Sz to sad that we live for these

:51:57.:51:58.

Sz to sad that we live for these Sz to sad that we live for these

:51:58.:51:59.

Sz to sad that we live for these kind of things. Who wants to watch

:51:59.:52:00.

kind of things. Who wants to watch kind of things. Who wants to watch

:52:00.:52:02.

Premiership football. Let's get our Premiership football. Let's get our

:52:02.:52:05.

Premiership football. Let's get our anoraks. Thank you gentlemen. Now

:52:05.:52:06.

anoraks. Thank you gentlemen. Now anoraks. Thank you gentlemen. Now

:52:06.:52:08.

on Wednesday's programme we had the on Wednesday's programme we had the

:52:08.:52:09.

Conservative culture minister, Ed Conservative culture minister, Ed

:52:09.:52:10.

Conservative culture minister, Ed Conservative culture minister, Ed

:52:10.:52:10.

Vaizey, on. He's an old friend of Vaizey, on. He's an old friend of

:52:11.:52:11.

Vaizey, on. He's an old friend of the show. We discussed the

:52:11.:52:15.

the show. We discussed the the show. We discussed the

:52:15.:52:16.

Government's spending cuts. I asked Government's spending cuts. I asked

:52:16.:52:17.

Government's spending cuts. I asked Government's spending cuts. I asked

:52:17.:52:19.

him what the budget was for the him what the budget was for the

:52:19.:52:19.

him what the budget was for the department for Culture, Media &

:52:19.:52:21.

department for Culture, Media & department for Culture, Media &

:52:21.:52:24.

Sport. It's tiny, a few billion Sport. It's tiny, a few billion

:52:24.:52:25.

Sport. It's tiny, a few billion quid. They're saving a couple of

:52:25.:52:27.

quid. They're saving a couple of quid. They're saving a couple of

:52:27.:52:28.

billion right away, nobody would billion right away, nobody would

:52:28.:52:29.

billion right away, nobody would notice if your department went,

:52:29.:52:32.

notice if your department went, notice if your department went,

:52:32.:52:35.

would they? It's a very good would they? It's a very good

:52:35.:52:36.

would they? It's a very good argument that's usually run. You

:52:36.:52:38.

argument that's usually run. You argument that's usually run. You

:52:38.:52:39.

see a familiar threat -- pamphlet see a familiar threat -- pamphlet

:52:39.:52:40.

see a familiar threat -- pamphlet and start with my department, you

:52:40.:52:41.

and start with my department, you and start with my department, you

:52:41.:52:42.

and start with my department, you know you don't have to read further,

:52:42.:52:45.

know you don't have to read further, because you're dealing with

:52:45.:52:45.

because you're dealing with somebody who economically

:52:45.:52:48.

somebody who economically somebody who economically

:52:48.:52:49.

illiterate. Let me just get this illiterate. Let me just get this

:52:49.:52:53.

illiterate. Let me just get this right. A Government minister is

:52:53.:52:54.

right. A Government minister is right. A Government minister is

:52:54.:52:56.

calling the Institute of Economic calling the Institute of Economic

:52:56.:52:57.

Affairs economically illiterate Affairs economically illiterate

:52:57.:53:01.

Affairs economically illiterate Affairs economically illiterate

:53:01.:53:01.

that regard, yes. Really?For a few that regard, yes. Really?For a few

:53:01.:53:02.

that regard, yes. Really?For a few hundred million you'd get the

:53:02.:53:05.

hundred million you'd get the hundred million you'd get the

:53:05.:53:06.

world's best museums, best arts world's best museums, best arts

:53:06.:53:07.

world's best museums, best arts organisations. You get for a tiny

:53:07.:53:09.

organisations. You get for a tiny department, delivering a world-

:53:09.:53:10.

department, delivering a world- class Olympics, delivering

:53:10.:53:11.

class Olympics, delivering Broadband infrastructure throughout

:53:11.:53:13.

Broadband infrastructure throughout Broadband infrastructure throughout

:53:13.:53:17.

Broadband infrastructure throughout the country. And so it went on. The

:53:17.:53:18.

the country. And so it went on. The the country. And so it went on. The

:53:18.:53:19.

Institute of Economic Affairs were Institute of Economic Affairs were

:53:19.:53:21.

Institute of Economic Affairs were upset with the comments. We invited

:53:21.:53:22.

upset with the comments. We invited upset with the comments. We invited

:53:22.:53:23.

upset with the comments. We invited Mr Vaizey to come back and discuss

:53:23.:53:25.

Mr Vaizey to come back and discuss Mr Vaizey to come back and discuss

:53:25.:53:26.

the issue. Unfortunately he's not the issue. Unfortunately he's not

:53:26.:53:27.

the issue. Unfortunately he's not available. Because he's in his

:53:27.:53:28.

available. Because he's in his available. Because he's in his

:53:28.:53:29.

constituency. Given the gravity of constituency. Given the gravity of

:53:29.:53:30.

constituency. Given the gravity of the charge that the organisation

:53:30.:53:32.

the charge that the organisation the charge that the organisation

:53:32.:53:35.

called the institute of economics called the institute of economics

:53:35.:53:37.

affairs is economically illiterate affairs is economically illiterate

:53:37.:53:38.

affairs is economically illiterate we have the Director-General with

:53:38.:53:39.

we have the Director-General with we have the Director-General with

:53:39.:53:40.

us, Mark Littlewood. So Mark, I'm us, Mark Littlewood. So Mark, I'm

:53:40.:53:41.

us, Mark Littlewood. So Mark, I'm us, Mark Littlewood. So Mark, I'm

:53:41.:53:46.

going to give you a test here. This going to give you a test here. This

:53:46.:53:46.

going to give you a test here. This is your specialist subject is

:53:46.:53:51.

is your specialist subject is is your specialist subject is

:53:51.:53:52.

economics. We have three questions economics. We have three questions

:53:52.:53:56.

economics. We have three questions for you starting now. Using the

:53:56.:53:58.

for you starting now. Using the for you starting now. Using the

:53:58.:54:00.

Economist Big Mac index, which uses Economist Big Mac index, which uses

:54:00.:54:01.

purchasing power parity theory, purchasing power parity theory,

:54:01.:54:02.

purchasing power parity theory, which of the following countries is

:54:02.:54:03.

which of the following countries is which of the following countries is

:54:03.:54:03.

which of the following countries is the most expensive place to buy a

:54:04.:54:06.

the most expensive place to buy a the most expensive place to buy a

:54:06.:54:08.

Big Mac? Japan, Britain or Brazil? Big Mac? Japan, Britain or Brazil?

:54:08.:54:13.

Big Mac? Japan, Britain or Brazil? Big Mac? Japan, Britain or Brazil?

:54:13.:54:18.

I'm going to say Japan. The answer I'm going to say Japan. The answer

:54:18.:54:21.

I'm going to say Japan. The answer is Brazil. $5.64. Japan is the

:54:21.:54:22.

is Brazil. $5.64. Japan is the is Brazil. $5.64. Japan is the

:54:22.:54:23.

cheapest actually. There are two cheapest actually. There are two

:54:23.:54:24.

cheapest actually. There are two economists called Vicky and Chris.

:54:24.:54:25.

economists called Vicky and Chris. economists called Vicky and Chris.

:54:25.:54:27.

economists called Vicky and Chris. Both accused of a crime. They have

:54:27.:54:29.

Both accused of a crime. They have Both accused of a crime. They have

:54:30.:54:31.

to decide separately whether to to decide separately whether to

:54:31.:54:33.

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