12/07/2013 Daily Politics


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Daily Politics. The government junks its plan to force companies to sell

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cigarettes in plain packages. Labour accuses Conservatives of giving in

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to lobbying. Have you spotted any green shoots of recovery? We will

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discuss this week's positive economic news.

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George Osborne signals that he will not raise taxes after the next

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election. It means he will have to take the cash from public spending

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instead. And could you ditch the car and

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cycle everywhere instead? Adam has been to Cambridge to see whether

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Britain could go mad for bikes. All of that coming up in the next

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hour. And with us for the duration, two political journalists who are

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always top of the class. Helen Lewis of the New Statesman and David

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Woolley from the sun. They have not brought me an Apple because they are

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not allowed to take back lunches to school any more.

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Actually considering plans to force firms to sell cigarettes in plain

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packaging, ministers have decided there is not enough evidence that it

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will put people off smoking. The Health Secretary has been accused of

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putting jobs in the tobacco industry ahead of saving lives. One

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Conservative MP said that it was a day of shame for the government. The

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decision does not apply to Scotland, where SNP ministers have said that

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they are still looking at the idea. The Speaker granted labour and

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urgent question on the subject this morning. It has led to unusually

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fiery exchanges in the Commons for a Friday, where not much usually

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happens. With the best. Can the Minister confirm that Lynton Crosby

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had no involvement whatsoever in today's decision? -- look at this.

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There can be no greater responsibility on government than

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the health of the nation. Every single Health Minister on that side

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has declared their personal support for standard packaging. Ministers

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should be ashamed to come to the House today, dragged to the House

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today to set out this disgraceful U-turn. We have decided to wait to

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see, quite properly, the evidence as it emerges from Australia. And I

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make it very clear, Mr Speaker, there is no change in the policy of

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this government, and forgive me, but the order paper is quite clear. I

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see it for me. It says that there will be a publication in the library

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today, a written statement on precisely this matter. I'd just

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heard a whole load of nonsense going up in smoke. Going up in smoke,

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cigarettes, get it? Let us talk to our Political Correspondent, Ben

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Wright. Welcome back to these shores. They looked at this for a

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year. There are a lot of accusations going around but do we have any idea

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of what really happened? We know the government have decided not to make

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a decision on this. Two years ago, the Department of Health seemed keen

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on this. Andrew Lansley said there were certainly arguments that plain

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packaging would deter young people from smoking, which is why the

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government started a consultation. It was very popular. 600,000 people

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responded to it and the government had that evidence. But we had a

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sense that they were cooling on it because it did not appear in the

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most recent Queen's Speech and then today the government confirmed what

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many suspected, that they will not pursue this any time soon. The

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government's argument, that they have to wait for evidence from

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Australia. Labour are incredulous and think that the government have

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caved into big business. They are trying to make political history

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about Lynton Crosby, the man behind the Conservatives was% forthcoming

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political campaign, who worked for tobacco companies in Australia. The

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government has denied any link between the two, but it is

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uncomfortable for them. Labour think it is -- that they are on the right

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side of this. Our colleague on the BBC say that Whitehall sources say

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that the government is to abandon its plans to reduce a minimum

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alcohol price as well, which again was another measure. There is a

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sense of a clearing the decks here on alcohol and tobacco. Would I be

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wrong in thinking that? You might be absolutely right. Lynton Crosby may

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have had no lobbying influence for the tobacco industry but I'm sure he

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is one of those people in government saying, look, do we really want to

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start bearing down on people who like a drink and likely smoke? Do we

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want to look like a nanny state, the sort of people who Nigel Farage and

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UKIP are appealing to at the moment? That is exactly what people like

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Clinton Crosby are saying, I'm sure, which is why some of these health

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initiatives, bearing down on cheap alcohol, are being brushed aside as

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the election gets closer. We have even laid on the good weather for

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your return! Thank you very much. You hear the sound of the next

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election? We do. It looks like Lynton Crosby is involved, but he is

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actually involved. Labour will be looking at the idea that this has

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been done because his lobbying firm lobbied for tobacco companies. David

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Cameron has not helped with this because he has not said whether or

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not he has spoken to Lynton Crosby about it. This is seen to be

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clearing the decks, getting the barnacles off the boat. Let's not

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focus on anything that is not immigration, welfare or the economy.

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That is the strategy for the Conservatives for the next election.

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And let's get away from things that might get the Westminster elite, the

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kind of voters that the Conservatives did not get enough of

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the last election, so forget this business about cigarettes and

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minimum pricing for booze. What is baffling about this, it was more

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than three years ago when they first announced this. So we have had three

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years of discussions and consultation about it, and it is

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clear that to go for further consultation now shows that they are

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kicking it into the long grass. it is still controversial,

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particularly on the tobacco side. We're told that the Department of

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Health wanted to go ahead with plain packaging and that Number Ten were

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worried about the impact on jobs. I would also suggest that they might

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be worried about the impact on vote when it came to minimum alcohol

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pricing. Doctor Sarah Woolaston, a Tory MP, she said it was a day of

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shame for this government and the only winners were big Tobacco, big

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alcohol and big undertakers. And we know that she is quite vexed about

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minimum alcohol pricing as well. She works as a GP and sees the effect of

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this on people. The weirdest thing we're seeing are the Shakespearean

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tones we see in the House of Commons, a substitute for the fact

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that we know her heart is not in it. Almost felt a bit sorry for her.

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there any case for not moving to plain packaging? I see some people

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say that it would only up the demand for counterfeit cigarettes, but they

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would continue the brands, they will be available elsewhere and brought

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in huge numbers. The evidence does not stack up on that. There is the

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Jacob Rees-Mogg argument that people should be free to kill themselves if

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they want to. Except we have to pay for it when they are clean

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themselves. The trouble is, passive smoking, we know that children in

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households with a parent smoke up or health outcomes. And the packaging

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industry creates these colourful packaging is, and there are many

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jobs there. -- the colourful packaging. And cigarettes still

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break-ins something like four times the amount that it costs the NHS to

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treat people with tobacco related illnesses. Is that right?There is a

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big income revenue. It's time for our daily quiz. The question for

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today, George Osborne revealed to journalists yesterday across the

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road from here that he was given the latest trendy electronic gizmo for

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his birthday. Apparently when Paltrow and Michael Gove have one.

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job on wristband or a iToaster% were you at the lunch? You know the

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answer? Keep it to yourself! -- job on wristband. Look very carefully

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and you might just be able to see the early signs of a smile on

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George's face. It is not his favourite burger chain doing freak

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reject fries with every order, I'm talking about the green shoots

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pushing up through the undergrowth. But can we call them green shoots of

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economic recovery? Politicians do not. Earlier this week, the IMF

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raised the UK's economic growth forecast from 0.7% to 0.9%. Not that

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they really have a clue, but nonetheless, that is what they did.

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At the same time, they cut the forecast for emerging market

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economies including China. A recent chamber of commerce survey found

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that UK business confidence was at a six-year high. Other indicators

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found that the service sector, by far the biggest in this economy,

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grew at its fastest race for over two years in June. And the housing

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market, which as been in the doldrums since the great crash, is

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also showing signs of bouncing back, not just in London. Across the

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country. Mortgage approvals are at a three-year high. And sales of new

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cars were up by 13% last month. That is the 16th consecutive month of

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growth. Interestingly, car sales are on their back. Even the bankers have

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had good news. Moody's has upgraded the UK banking sector outlook from

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negative to stable. It is the first time that they had been upgraded

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since the financial crisis way back in the autumn of 2008. Of course, it

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turns out that we needn't have felt so travel sick at the beginning of

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2012 as we did not experience a 2012 as we did not experience a

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double dip recession after all. No, the Office of National Statistics

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revised the figures for the first quarter of last year from 0.1%, to

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this good news, I'm joined by Vicky Redwood from capital economic, and

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Charlie Elphick, the Conservative MP. Are we seeing green shoots?

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Well, there is a sense that the economy is definitely healing. Do

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not think anyone wants to get complacent. We need to be optimistic

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but recognise that there are likely to be bumps on the road because it

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is a difficult recovery. But think there a definite sense that the

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economy is healing. This latest news is positive. Is that the official

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wording you have been told to use in case we end up back in recession?

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After last time, no one talks about green shoots! Healing is a positive

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word. There may yet be bumps in the road. I think it is genuinely agreed

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-- generally agreed among economists and nonpartisan observers, that

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there is a recovery on its way, but at the moment, not necessarily a

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particularly robust one. Would you agree? I think it is starting to

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look like the real deal. We need to be aware that things were so bad

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before that even a modest improvement feels like great news.

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There are question marks over whether it is the type of recovery

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that we want. It seems to be driven by consumers borrowing more and not

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an increase in exports. That is the difficulty. If you look at the

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engine of this week recovery, it is not exports, which are pretty flat,

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despite a 25% evaluation. It is not business investment, which is way

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down in real terms compared with a few years ago, even though British

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companies have �750 billion ready to invest in the corporate treasuries.

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It is not government investment, because that is half what it was. It

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is consumer spending, another spending boom done on borrowed

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money. But importantly, the deficit is down and we are starting to live

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within our means. But household debt is rising. We have had more

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private-sector jobs created. Mortgage interest rates are at a

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record low, but I'd agree there is more to do to encourage business to

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invest. As things heal and consumers recover confidence, I think we will

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see business recover confidence, and some of that �750 billion in cash

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reserves will start to be spent and I hope will strengthen the recovery.

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Let's nail this down. It is household spending that is leading

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this recovery, consumer demand at 70% of the total demand in the

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economy, but living standards are being squeezed. It seems to me that

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the only way that household the man can be rising is because people are

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borrowing. Right or wrong? wouldn't be a problem if their

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incomes were rising, but we have a squeeze on their incomes, it looks

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like they are dipping into savings a bit. That might be because they feel

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more confident and that will kick-start a recovery and get a

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virtuous circle going. We need to be careful. What could go wrong? As

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they say in the meerkat commercial? What could possibles go wrong?

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Europe is still a big risk. Things have gone quiet and that is

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reassuring, but there could be a ticking timebomb and that could blow

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up the banking system. Emerging markets are looking a bit dodgy as

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well, aren't they? China, Brazil, India? We don't have that much

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direct exposure to them. unluckily. The politics of this is

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interesting though, because for Labour we have talked about this

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before, here we are the mid-term in the cycle, you would expect Labour

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to be 15, 20 points ahead, they are not, even though the past three

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years have not been an economic success for the coalition. If will

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is growth coming, what happens to their lead then? They need to switch

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their attack, you were talking about the figures going from 0. 7 to 0. 9

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and people can't really keep track of that. It is not in some ways a

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useful measure of how people feel about the economy. We know that

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people are, they are not, they are not the standard of living is not

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where it was before the crash. lower. It won't recover until after

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the next election. What Labour would have do is say, do you feel like it

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has recovered? Do you feel like your money is going as far as it used to?

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Direction is everything in politics, isn't it. Although these figures we

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are talking about, most folk watching this programme will have

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almost no impact on them at all, because the recovery is so small,

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but a sense that things are getting better often works. It is about the

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C word, confidence. If people feel the medicine is starting to work,

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particularly if we have a small decimal point rise over the next few

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months, the next year, people will begin to question as they move to an

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election, whether they want to go back to Labour, who they may feel

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caused the economic crash, or to carry on with the same treatment we

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have been going through. That is the question they will face. In the US

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where a real recovery is under way the interest rates are beginning to

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rise, and at some stage the bank, Federal Reserve is talking about

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monetary policy going back to normal. I would suggest you don't

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want that to happen in this country, at least, till after the election,

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you need artificially loose monetary policy for the foreseeable future.

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That goes to the heart of the collection choice. Do you want more

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borrowing which will raise your mortgage rates, more spending, more

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debt, more tax, or do you want with the Conservatives to keep mortgage

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interest rates low, live within our means and not have net teches rises.

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It has been the bankers keeping interest rates low, not you.

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Government are setting out a credible economy... How can it be

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credible when you are borrowing more than you said you would? We set out

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a clear plan. That didn't workWe have been reducing deficit. We got

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the confidence of the markets, that is the most important thing, the one

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thing that will put that under threat is the Labour policy of more

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borrowing, more spending and the rest of it. It is not credible.

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Stick with us. We will stick with the economy.

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Let us look at George Osborne in front of the Treasury Select

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Committee yesterday, he raised questions about welfare and how he

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will tackle the deficit after 2015. You are not doing it on the deficit,

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because the deficit has stayed the same for three year, you have given

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it until after the next election. Interestingly opposition to what I

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am doing on the economy, is crumbling, so that is another way of

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saying I am getting more support for what I am doing. How committed is

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the Government to an 80-20 split? am clear that tax increases are not

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required to achieve this, this can be achieved with spending reduction,

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I am not sure where the opposition is, because they say they match

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current spending, and I don't know whether they have committed to the

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spending plan, I don't know whether they would have big tax increases, I

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suspect they would. That is for them to explain. Nay have said they would

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increase borrowing to lower borrowing. Do you know what this is

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like? Have you struggled to pay your rent? I have had a fortunate up

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bringing, my father set up his own business, that was successful. I

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have worked since I left education, so, but I come back to this point,

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which is, this money is not being used for anything other than trying

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to help people get into work. you ever been to a food bank

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Chancellor. No, I have not.Talking about good use of public money, what

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is the maximum that can be claimed as housing benefit for a one bedroom

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flat in London? I don't have that? �250. What is the maximum a member

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of this House can claim for a one bedroom flat in London? I don't have

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the number. �350. Is that fair?It is up to Parliament to make

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decisions, it is up to IPSA to make now the decision. You don't have a

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view whether that is fair use of money. I want to reduce the costing

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of welfare. Chancellor there struggling when it

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came to some of the details of what people have to pay for rent and so

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on. Would you like to see, in the next manifesto, a commitment that

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what further deficit reduction needs to be done in the new Parliament,

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will not be done by raising taxes? Very much so, I think, I mean

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instinctively a tax cut, all Conservatives are tax cutters and

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what we should be looking at is departmental spending, there is a

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book produced by the taxpayer alliance, the bumper book of

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Government waste. It should be required reading for every minister

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looking at the savings that could be made and whether we can reduce... No

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doubt there is scope for further efficiency savings, and I think that

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is what what Government should be focussing on, not people saying will

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you pay more taxes? For the purpose of the Department of Honesty, can we

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agree, given it look, according to the IFS, there will be a black hole

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of 20-30 billion that will need to be found if you are to stick to your

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deficit reduction plan through to 2018, that if you are not going to

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increase tax and you want that in the manifesto, the 65% of Government

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spending that is now ringfenced, these ringfencing has to come off.

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That is a question for the manifesto committee. It is a question for you

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today My own view is that healthcare spending is right to ringfence it

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because the country is getting older. You would keep health

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spending ringfenced. I would.You would keep international aid

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ringfenced for the next Parliament The Prime Minister is passionate.

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Would you keep it for the next Parliament I expect it would be.Do

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you want it to be kept I think it is right to help developing nations.

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Military spending procurement that is ringfenced too, under the

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Conservative plans, and pensions, would remain ringfenced as well, I

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assume? . They would, from my understanding. So how are you going

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to find �30 billion if you are not going to raise taxes, and you

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continue to ringfence 65% of Government spending? The Chancellor

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said, he set out a clear strategy, in his judgment, he doesn't think it

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is necessary to increase taxes, and he thinks he can find those savings,

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and make... The in the remaining 35% of Government spending. And that is

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the Chancellor's judgment. When you have taken 20% out of most

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departmentals He has ringfenced most of it. The protection of certain

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departments and welfare, will become an increasing barrier, we have seen

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certain departments squeezed very hard, they have to make lots more

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savings in the next Parliament. It is becoming questionable whether

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that can be done. Is it credible to continue that all the cuts continue

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to fall, on tn increasingly smaller part of spending, that isn't

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ringfenced? It is easy initially to make efficiency savings. But they

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have done that. I think it will get harder. The thing that surprises me,

:24:46.:24:50.

is that some of the ringfencing is self imposed. Some of it is because

:24:50.:24:53.

of circumstances you are in coalition, would you not like to

:24:53.:24:56.

take the opportunity, if you formed an overall majority Government, to

:24:56.:25:02.

free yourself from some of these spending cut restraints? As I said

:25:02.:25:06.

health spending which the big ringfence is important. Not as big

:25:06.:25:11.

as the pensions ringfence. Because the population are getting old,

:25:11.:25:14.

because the costs of healthcare are going to increase, you have to have

:25:14.:25:19.

that in place, in order to ensure the nation is kept healthy and well,

:25:19.:25:22.

so I don't think there is much option practically speaking other

:25:22.:25:27.

than to do that. You see the politics of this developing, because

:25:27.:25:30.

I think, my sense is it is unsustainable for the Conservatives

:25:30.:25:35.

to stick to this line that there will be no tax rises, but they will

:25:35.:25:39.

find �30 billion from the small bit of public spending that is not

:25:39.:25:46.

ringfenced. The trap for Labour is are you going to increase taxes?

:25:46.:25:50.

Liberal Democrats want a mansion tax, what you where listening to is

:25:50.:25:55.

George Osborne a man who thinks he's won't get an Jo all majority, he can

:25:55.:26:01.

argue from being in a coalition next. There is no Wray to do it

:26:01.:26:07.

without tax increase, unless you raid pensions.

:26:07.:26:11.

-- it is not working age people, a lot of that is retirement age

:26:11.:26:15.

people, and they have been protected so far. So we see the parameters of

:26:15.:26:19.

the election campaign coming, Conservatives saying, we won't cut

:26:19.:26:23.

tax, but we are still going to, sorry we won't increase tax but we

:26:23.:26:26.

are going to ringfenced all the nice things in public spending, and

:26:27.:26:31.

Labour have been asked questions, would you increase tax? And will you

:26:31.:26:36.

ringfenced anything? They have to tear down the ringfenced, they can't

:26:36.:26:41.

get to grips if I was going to set up a business I would set up

:26:41.:26:46.

fencing. And become rich.They are round everything. I think the reason

:26:46.:26:50.

the Conservatives have tone this is because they want to be more touchy

:26:50.:26:57.

feelly, we will look after health, the elderly. Are you surprised he

:26:57.:27:00.

says international aid will be ringfenceds. I think the triple lock

:27:00.:27:04.

on pensions has to go. That is a tough one fighting an election.

:27:04.:27:09.

before the election. So they will lie to us before the election.

:27:09.:27:13.

that unusual? I just check. Like to know which particular lies I am

:27:14.:27:19.

being told. Bet you a tenner if you get an overall majority

:27:19.:27:24.

international aid isn't ringfenceds. I belt you a tenner it is. Right.

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Deal done! Thank you both for being with us. It is all the rage in

:27:29.:27:33.

Westminster, Boris does it, careful, don't get two excited. David Cameron

:27:33.:27:38.

used to do it until he became Prime Minister. George Young, Andrew

:27:38.:27:42.

Mitch, they do it. They are all cyclist, most of the country relies

:27:42.:27:46.

on the car and public transport but a group of MPs has argued that a

:27:46.:27:53.

quarter of all journeys in the UK should be made by bike. Any way, can

:27:53.:27:58.

we become a nation of cyclists? Can the Government mandate us to become

:27:58.:28:03.

a nation of cyclist? We went to the most cycle friendly city to find

:28:03.:28:07.

out. In this place, they love bikes.

:28:07.:28:13.

And I am sticking to tradition. I have hired Cambridge's only

:28:13.:28:18.

rickshaw to discover the city's secret recipe for cycling success.

:28:18.:28:23.

The stats here are amazing, one in three people commute to work by

:28:23.:28:27.

bike, more than half the population psychles at least once a week, no

:28:27.:28:32.

other place in the UK comes anywhere close.

:28:32.:28:36.

There are bikes everywhere. You can see that a lot of money has

:28:36.:28:41.

been invested in infrastructure. Rod Cantrell is responsible for much

:28:41.:28:46.

of it as the City Council's cycle champion. In the past, we are the

:28:46.:28:52.

first to introduce a covered cycle parking space, within the shopping

:28:52.:28:57.

centre, we are about to invest in an additional 500 cycle racks in the

:28:57.:29:00.

city centre, we are the first in the UK to have a multi-storey cycling

:29:00.:29:05.

park at the railway station, where the plan ing committee has approved

:29:05.:29:09.

that this week. It is no just big projects like this new bike bridge.

:29:09.:29:14.

There are smaller schemes too. People can come along, and they can

:29:14.:29:17.

park their bikes and they can hire for free, a pushchair to use for

:29:17.:29:22.

their young children, as they go round the city centre, come back,

:29:22.:29:26.

return it and cycle home. It also helps that in the place

:29:26.:29:32.

where DNA was discovered, cycling is in the city's genetic code.

:29:32.:29:38.

anybody in their 70s how did you get round in your 20s? They cycled. I is

:29:38.:29:44.

not like we are a not a cycling nation. We have got so used to car,

:29:44.:29:49.

people can't see beyond the end of the Bonnet. If you get on a bike.

:29:49.:29:54.

Educate people about how easy it is to cycle, people will cycle.

:29:54.:29:58.

driver Mark workforce a firm who are trying to inject that spirit into

:29:58.:30:02.

business. The big curious companies deliver

:30:02.:30:08.

parcels to their office. Then their fleet of cyclists take it the last

:30:08.:30:11.

mile into town. Their boss is taking part in an EU

:30:11.:30:14.

project to expand the concept across the map.

:30:14.:30:19.

The idea is to move that hub and have two or three of them on the

:30:19.:30:24.

edge of the city centre, perhaps at park and ride sites where the access

:30:24.:30:29.

is good by road and vans drop off, the goods get consolidated and we

:30:29.:30:35.

can do the last mile by bike, or electric van. And to top it all off

:30:35.:30:39.

the Tour de France will come through here next year. Although not sure I

:30:39.:30:43.

will be taking part. Who knew that driving one of these would prove so

:30:43.:30:52.

different? We are currently dealing with the

:30:52.:30:59.

whiplash injuries claim on that particular right. -- right. We are

:30:59.:31:03.

joined by Boris Johnson's cycling Commissioner, Andrew Gilligan. Who

:31:03.:31:06.

would have thought it? Is it realistic that we will ever get to a

:31:06.:31:10.

stage where a quarter of all journeys are made by bike two we did

:31:10.:31:17.

a census in central London and we found out the 24% of all traffic on

:31:17.:31:26.

the roads is bikes already. Is a bike equal to a car? That is right.

:31:26.:31:33.

That is central London in the morning rush-hour. Some roads, it is

:31:33.:31:38.

64%. We have huge numbers already and we have to cater for them. It is

:31:38.:31:42.

not 24% of all journeys because lots of people use the tube and the bus,

:31:42.:31:47.

but it is a big deal. Does it make any sense to go in for this

:31:47.:31:57.
:31:57.:31:58.

Stalinist plan, 25% of road journeys must be, or should be, by a bicycle

:31:58.:32:01.

by whatever year, as opposed to a general desire to get people onto

:32:01.:32:09.

bikes? The idea of a target is to give TEFL something to aim for. It

:32:09.:32:19.
:32:19.:32:22.

is not a compulsion. -- TfL. We are investing in cycle routes to aim to

:32:22.:32:26.

get people to feel more confident on their bikes. People feel that it has

:32:26.:32:31.

got riskier. Within the last week, we have seen the first person to die

:32:31.:32:34.

cycling one of Boris Johnson's bikes. She was on one of these

:32:34.:32:39.

superhighways that you are looking to build more of. I have stopped

:32:39.:32:44.

cycling in London because I think it has got more and more dangerous. I

:32:44.:32:50.

have found other cyclists more and more aggressive and unpleasant.

:32:50.:32:55.

was the first death on a Boris bike in three years. 25 million journeys.

:32:55.:32:59.

It is the fourth this year, the fourth death of a cyclist. By this

:32:59.:33:03.

point last year, there were nine. The overall number of deaths are

:33:03.:33:06.

coming down and the number of serious injuries might be rising,

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but it is rising roughly over the last several years in proportion

:33:11.:33:16.

with the rise in journeys. The actual rate has not changed. That is

:33:16.:33:21.

one of the key reasons, it is not really more dangerous. There are 182

:33:21.:33:28.

million cycle journeys in London, and of those 14 ended in death.

:33:28.:33:34.

There is no question that you can see huge increases in London, the

:33:34.:33:44.
:33:44.:33:46.

number of bikes on the road. Nitrates that back to 7/7, you got

:33:46.:33:49.

the sense that after the bombings, more people thought they would go by

:33:49.:33:53.

bike. Would I see the same in Manchester or a Glasgow Leeds?

:33:53.:33:57.

seeing ambitious plans in Manchester. They have plans to put

:33:57.:34:05.

segregated lanes in on one of the main roads in the city centre. They

:34:05.:34:09.

are further behind but they are catching up. There is a mood towards

:34:09.:34:14.

cycling interventions across the country, the Western world. It is

:34:14.:34:18.

the sign of an advanced city. Dublin, Edinburgh, New York, they

:34:18.:34:23.

are all doing it. Edinburgh they are doing it because they cannot build

:34:23.:34:30.

the trams! Are you a cyclist? trying hard to overcome my prejudice

:34:31.:34:36.

because I am a confirmed pedestrian. My encounters with cyclists are

:34:37.:34:43.

sweaty men getting into the left in lycra. I know that all the evidence

:34:43.:34:48.

suggests this is great for health and transport policy, but there is

:34:48.:34:53.

probably a big culture shift that needs to happen. We're trying to

:34:53.:35:03.

remove the lycra from cycling. The problem is, you're right, it is

:35:03.:35:06.

disproportionately done by young, impatient men. And one of the

:35:06.:35:11.

purposes of these new groups is to get less confident cyclists on the

:35:11.:35:17.

roads, and broaden the appeal. More older people, more women, lower the

:35:17.:35:21.

testosterone level a bit and change the culture. A lot of people

:35:21.:35:24.

complained that cyclists can be rather aggressive and we want to

:35:24.:35:28.

change that but it is a long-term goal. Argue one of these middle-aged

:35:28.:35:32.

men in lycra? I would contest at I am not a middle-aged man! -- argue

:35:32.:35:41.

one. I did not mean to intrude into your private life. I am in

:35:41.:35:45.

cross-country runner. That is why you are so thin. I feel that

:35:45.:35:55.
:35:55.:35:55.

cyclists tend to polarise opinion. You ivory lycra loud, or you are a

:35:56.:35:58.

cycling zealot and you think everyone must have a cycle lane. I

:35:58.:36:04.

think of the big problem is that while road traffic accidents have

:36:04.:36:09.

come down, the number of accidents involving cyclists has gone up. If

:36:09.:36:14.

we are pushing forward with this, we need to do more on cycle lanes, and

:36:14.:36:19.

that is going to cost money. thing about cyclists, more people

:36:19.:36:22.

cycling is good for everyone. Even if you never get on a bike, it means

:36:22.:36:27.

less traffic and fewer cars. It means less pollution and less

:36:27.:36:31.

competition for a seat on the tube. Investing in cycling is a cheap way

:36:31.:36:36.

to build transport capacity in a time of austerity. The bike lanes in

:36:36.:36:46.

London will cost 30 million pounds for 15 miles, and that is good to

:36:46.:36:50.

have a capacity of 1000 and hour. Putting extra capacity of a similar

:36:50.:36:56.

amount on the cheap lines would cost a lot more. But a lot more traffic

:36:56.:36:59.

jams in one lane, with the cars queueing to get past. There has been

:36:59.:37:04.

a reduction in car traffic in London. As there are?The Victoria

:37:04.:37:08.

embankment, traffic has gone down by 31% because of the congestion

:37:08.:37:13.

charge. -- has there been. Car ownership is falling off a cliff.

:37:13.:37:19.

There is not a single borough in London were 50% of households own a

:37:19.:37:23.

car. We understand that David Cameron is going to make an

:37:23.:37:27.

announcement in the next month. heard that. I heard was going to be

:37:27.:37:34.

last month but it was put off by the murder in Woolwich. I think there is

:37:34.:37:38.

talk of a cycling champion for the country and there will be more

:37:38.:37:44.

money. Is that going to be you?I have my hands full. I heard it was

:37:44.:37:49.

going to be a cycling lane with a gate through Downing Street, with no

:37:49.:37:52.

police officers on control. might be right! Kabul we're talking

:37:53.:37:57.

it being dangerous, there is no question that in terms of health,

:37:57.:38:02.

cycling is a good thing. -- although we are talking about it being

:38:03.:38:07.

dangerous. The perceived risks of cycling are outweighed by the health

:38:07.:38:13.

benefits. You will live two years longer on average. Generally, it is

:38:13.:38:17.

not that dangerous. There are 182 million cycle journeys in London of

:38:17.:38:23.

which 14 last year ended in death. It is fairly safe, but not as safe

:38:23.:38:28.

as it could be, or that it will be. Argue still cycling everyday?

:38:28.:38:34.

here on bike. It took about 25 minutes. I could not have done it

:38:34.:38:41.

quicker any other way. It is less than an inch long and it weighs

:38:41.:38:45.

barely a 10th of a gram. The declining numbers of the honey bee

:38:45.:38:49.

are creating a problem for the UK. The government has just launched an

:38:49.:38:58.

urgent review of the threat. The loss of bee numbers is costing our

:38:58.:39:03.

farmers almost �200 billion a year. Our Sunday Politics reporter,

:39:03.:39:13.

Tristan Pascoe, has been to Dorset to assess the potential sting.

:39:13.:39:18.

Honey is big business. In the UK, we produce around 25,000 metric tonnes

:39:18.:39:22.

of the stuff year. At a sharp decline in bee colonies across

:39:22.:39:28.

Europe is giving beekeepers the blues. And the issue is not just

:39:28.:39:35.

confined to honey. It is estimated one third of the food we eat is

:39:35.:39:40.

pollinated by bees. So news that around a third of honey bee colonies

:39:40.:39:43.

did not survive the winter is a major concern. The government says

:39:43.:39:47.

the losses are the worst since they began collecting data. Dorset

:39:47.:39:54.

beekeeper, Ian Homer, is one of hundreds affected. Five years ago,

:39:54.:39:59.

there were similar losses. 30 years ago, 70% losses. It is not unusual

:39:59.:40:02.

to have these losses. It is unpleasant but it is not unusual.

:40:02.:40:09.

Pollen is the protein that the bees need. Nectar, or honey, is the

:40:09.:40:13.

carbohydrate. The European commission say the declining

:40:14.:40:21.

colonies is due to pesticides used in agriculture. From December, these

:40:21.:40:24.

pesticides will be banned for a two-year trial. It is a short time.

:40:25.:40:31.

The moratorium comes in in December. By that time, the autumn crop will

:40:31.:40:36.

be in the ground. For beekeepers, the period will be less than two

:40:36.:40:40.

years. Ideally, we would like to see a longer period where object of

:40:40.:40:46.

research can be carried out. object of research. The value of

:40:46.:40:50.

bees is not just to the honey market. As far as wider pollination

:40:50.:40:55.

goes, there is a range of fruit and vegetables, and the figure is close

:40:55.:41:03.

to �1 billion. 15 minutes away from the a period,

:41:03.:41:08.

at an agricultural college, bee colonies have also declined. --

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apiary. I think it is fair to say that we are five weeks behind

:41:14.:41:18.

because of the long winter. Here, there are fears about the impact of

:41:18.:41:21.

the pesticide ban. Our biggest concern is that we return to

:41:21.:41:28.

spraying, which drifts and can affect the honey bee. And a range of

:41:28.:41:33.

other insects and wildlife? It is not just the honey bee. It is the

:41:33.:41:39.

pesticides. They deal with all pollinators, which are critical to

:41:39.:41:44.

good crop yields. If we do not have them, food prices will rocket.

:41:44.:41:47.

Environment campaigners are calling on the government is to make the

:41:47.:41:54.

issue a priority. Come up with an action plan. Farmers and growers

:41:54.:41:57.

need some help to find better ways of producing and protecting crops in

:41:57.:42:01.

ways that they can be sure I'm not honey bees and other vital

:42:01.:42:07.

pollinating insects. -- sure are not harming honeybees. Let's use the

:42:07.:42:12.

time that we have now during the ban on pesticides to help farmers to

:42:12.:42:21.

find other ways of growing crops and use safer chemicals. The government

:42:22.:42:25.

says it is against the proposal for a ban because scientific evidence

:42:25.:42:31.

does not support it. Back in Dorset, beekeepers remain pragmatic.

:42:31.:42:36.

In an ideal world, I would like to see no pesticides used, but we do

:42:36.:42:39.

not live in that world. Pesticides are designed to kill insects that

:42:39.:42:42.

are causing harm, and there is a fine line between killing insects

:42:42.:42:52.

that are causing harm and killing insects that are not causing harm.

:42:52.:42:55.

We asked for an interview with the government environment minister but

:42:55.:43:01.

none was available. DEFRA said this morning that by the end of the year

:43:01.:43:07.

we will have a long-term strategy in place to ensure that these and

:43:07.:43:10.

pollinators can thrive. We're joined by the shadow environment Minister,

:43:10.:43:16.

Barry Gardiner. Look into the programme. -- welcome to the

:43:16.:43:19.

programme. How worried should we be about this problem? It is easy to

:43:19.:43:22.

make jokes about it but how worried should we be? We should be very

:43:23.:43:28.

worried about it. We have a real problem. If you look at the

:43:28.:43:33.

reduction in crop yield, that is significant for our farmers and also

:43:33.:43:38.

significant for the cheque. Seven years ago, when I was in the

:43:38.:43:42.

department, I put through the first slug of money in the budget am a �6

:43:42.:43:48.

million, for research into bee diseases. At the time, the Treasury

:43:49.:43:58.
:43:59.:44:00.

thought I was insane! I said, well, look, understand that it will cost

:44:00.:44:04.

�200 million a year to the economy if we do not get this resolved. And

:44:04.:44:09.

we still have not got it resolved. We need to. What has provoked the

:44:09.:44:14.

government to promise an urgent and comprehensive review of white bees

:44:14.:44:22.

are declining? Well, we have had the European directive on this. -- why

:44:22.:44:27.

bees are declining. That has placed a ban on these pesticides for two

:44:27.:44:34.

years. Particular chemicals which some think could be a major

:44:34.:44:41.

contributor of the decline. Indeed. It is a competition. The reason the

:44:41.:44:47.

government said they did not want to support the ban, first of all at

:44:47.:44:49.

staining and then voting against, they say they have not done adequate

:44:49.:44:59.
:44:59.:45:00.

field trials. What we need is long-term field trials as well as

:45:00.:45:04.

laboratory trials in place here. And we need to be looking at integrated

:45:04.:45:12.

pest control management, because farmers have two make sure that the

:45:12.:45:17.

crops are resistant. And we need to make sure that they harbour

:45:17.:45:22.

pollinated. And it is getting that long-term programme of research to

:45:22.:45:29.

do this. But the farmers do not seem to be happy with this ban. They are

:45:29.:45:33.

not. Actually, as one of the beekeepers said, they said that

:45:33.:45:37.

their fear is that farmers might start using worst pesticides, which

:45:37.:45:42.

are going to do more damage. And this is also a consideration. But

:45:42.:45:48.

that is why it is important that we have the precautionary system

:45:48.:45:54.

accepted by the government. It is there from the United Nations, and

:45:54.:45:57.

we have accepted and integrated that into our own legislation. We should

:45:57.:46:00.

be applying a precautionary principle that says that in

:46:00.:46:03.

circumstances where we know there is the potential for a threshold of

:46:03.:46:10.

harm, as we can see here with the bee population, then we take the

:46:10.:46:13.

percussion and we say that yes, we were put aside what we know maybe

:46:13.:46:19.

the economic loss here until we have resolved the problem. And we act in

:46:19.:46:22.

a precautionary way. That is what the government failed to do. I am

:46:22.:46:26.

glad that they have got behind the ban and they have said that they

:46:26.:46:29.

would accept it because Europe is introducing it. But we need them to

:46:29.:46:34.

be arguing in Europe now for a much longer term solution, and a longer

:46:34.:46:44.
:46:44.:46:45.

term ban to get the adequate research in place. Have you been

:46:45.:46:50.

following? We were told engrain grained in us when being litted

:46:50.:46:54.

kinds, you can swap a fly but the bees, they are the good guys n the

:46:54.:46:59.

same way the spider is the good guy, and, yeah, it come out true, that

:46:59.:47:05.

bees are very important part of our... All the creepy-crawlies are

:47:05.:47:10.

good guy, If you think of the number of crops. Rape seed is pollinated by

:47:10.:47:14.

beetles, not bee, and yet people don't like beetles when they see

:47:14.:47:19.

them. They have a function in the ecosystem and the point here, is

:47:19.:47:25.

that its economic. We, you know, we use nature, because she is valuable,

:47:25.:47:31.

but we abuse nature because she is free. And unless we value our

:47:31.:47:34.

natural capital, properly, we are never going to get our decision

:47:34.:47:39.

making right, because we are leaving out one very important factor in the

:47:39.:47:44.

cost benefit analysis. Do you have a policy on bees? We did a leader on

:47:44.:47:47.

bees saying this. It is a bigger point about the Government's dodgy

:47:48.:47:52.

relationship with evidence. They opposed to European Directive on the

:47:52.:47:57.

basis neen anybodies didn't kill bee, if you give a toddler three

:47:57.:48:02.

glasses of red wine and send them to school, they will make it there but

:48:02.:48:07.

they won't be any use when they get there. Neonics are useless at

:48:07.:48:11.

pollinating things. In two years time, where do you think we should

:48:11.:48:15.

be? We should have an extension of the ban, so we can have a proper

:48:15.:48:21.

period to examine this. We need to have done, by that stage, very sound

:48:21.:48:24.

peer reviewed field trials, alongside the laboratory trials that

:48:24.:48:28.

have been done. Thank you.

:48:28.:48:34.

Now, two US Congress women want parts of the moon to be designated

:48:34.:48:38.

as a National Park. They do! They say space tourism is the next big

:48:39.:48:45.

thing and we need to protect the historic lunar landing sites, there

:48:45.:48:50.

is no souvenir shop up there yet, we can't have people taking bits of the

:48:50.:48:55.

moon willy-nilly. I will be talking to Spaceman Doug from the Space

:48:55.:49:00.

Museum and David Morris, but first a reminder of the historic Apollo

:49:00.:49:10.
:49:10.:49:17.

That's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind.

:49:17.:49:27.
:49:27.:49:46.

They have got the flag up now and Bringing back the memory, I am

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joined by Doug Millard who is known as Spaceman Doug, from the Science

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Museum and David Morris who sits on the Parliamentary space committee.

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He is in our Salford studio. What kind of stuff have we left up there?

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There is lots, there is about 1700 tonnes in total. 1700 tonnes?That

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is everything apart from Apollos as well. Apollo left about 100 objects

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on the moon. I mean, shouldn't we be clearing this up, rather than trying

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to protect it? How do we get there? Apollo cost in today's money �170

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billion, so until we go back, which which is what this is all about it

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is going to be difficult. understanding is that as of now,

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there are no plans to go back to the moon, is that correct? Well, there

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are aspiration, there are private companies that are looking how that

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might be done, but we, we must not take what NASA did for granted, it

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was a tremendous undertaking. are not planning to do it, are they?

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Not a the moment. They are developing craft that will be able

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to, but no programme at the moment. David Morris, should we start to

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prepare for space tourism on the moon? Space tourism. We are talking

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possibly 100 years in the future. It is good that it has been flagged up

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and it has been recognised that there could be some kind of tourism

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pilfering going on, should we go back to the moon in a tourism guise,

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and a National Park created, but it would be commonsense to be frank as

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Neil Armstrong said, one small step for mankind, the moon belongs to all

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of us. So, the US Congressional loan, it is not up to them to

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designate part of the moon a National Park, first of all it is

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not national, and it is not a park. That is right. You know, the UN 1967

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space treaty said, things that are going on in space, or things that we

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are putting into space should not be subject or Astral bodies to one

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nation itself. I think it is probably pre-empting

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legislation, probably 100, 200 years hence, it really is jumping the gun,

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but, yeah, it is good to debate it, isn't it. There is a lot of space

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junk round, which is orbiting the earth. There is a cloud of it round

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us, there is stuff going round the sun. Stuff going round the sun, from

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us? Yeah. A bit of rocket, a bits of Apollo still going round the sun.

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it breaks up coming into the atmosphere it goes into orbit not

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round the earth. A lot of the redundant stuff was crashed on the

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moon, which is what this about, but one or two items are in orbit round

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the sun, so long-term orbit. What are these two American Congress

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women up to, do you think? Is it a stunt? Far be it from me to say, it

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is aenable question, there will come a time when more people are going

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back to the moon, and the question is, how, how do you deal with that?

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I mean, these are very important sites. I don't know how would would

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police them, but... I mean, do, do we really need David Morris, this

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concept of a National Park? Would think in a way the whole of the moon

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is a kind of earth park, that we have a duty to protect. Don't we

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just need a kind of monument, or something that marks where Apollo

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first landed on the moon? Wouldn't that be enough? This is the anomaly

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of the whole situation. Apparently not one nation can claim the whole

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of the moon but certain nations can claim a portion of it.

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Can they? Yes. That is the anomaly in the whole situation. I think the

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two Congress women are probably exploring that loophole and probably

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trying to put down a marker in space tourism for the future, to create a

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National Park, let us be honest about this, 200 years time, maybe,

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there would be the capabilities the technology to have space tourism on

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the level where you could go to see the moon landing site, where similar

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to Stonehenge, what is left up there now? I am no expert on the moon

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itself, but there are lieu mar winds up there, would the land not be

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covered by dust by now? Do you want to be a space tourist?

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interesting thing is international law. There 1967 treaty, the outer

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space treaty, surely the best UN treaty but we can talk about people

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being able to claim bits of space. People would want to mine asteroid,

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this will become a thing people be argue about. Countries might go to

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war over who owns bits of space. will have to leave it there. I think

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we will have plenty of time to talk about this before anything happens.

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Spaceman Doug. Thank you both. Who has the played a blinder and who

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has had a shocker? Here is our guide to the political week in 60 seconds.

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Ed Milliband always wanted to unite his party, and Len McCluskey tried

:55:06.:55:11.

just that, so Ed announced the union Labour relationship must change.

:55:11.:55:18.

do not want any individual to be paying money to the Labour Party, in

:55:18.:55:22.

affiliation fees unless they have deliberately chose into do so. G

:55:22.:55:26.

government posted notice it will sell off Royal Mail offer offering a

:55:26.:55:31.

free share parcel to staff. The union may start strike action. MPs

:55:31.:55:37.

got public flak over a proposed 11% pay rise in 2015. Not that they

:55:37.:55:41.

asked for one! And G4S are in the dock again, this time for

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overcharging by tens of millions of pounds on electronic tagging

:55:45.:55:49.

contracts I am asking the Serious Fraud Office to consider whether an

:55:49.:55:54.

investigation is appropriate, into what happened at G4S.

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And suits you Sir, as one MP snubs dull grey. Robert Halfon knows when

:56:00.:56:09.

he's been tangoed! That is the week in 60 seconds.

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Another thing we can add, the news has come that Alan Whittaker famous

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broadcaster has passed away at the age of 87. Helen, where are we now

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with the end of this week as we head to the summer recess, where is Mr

:56:27.:56:34.

Miliband and the unions? ? Cessation of hostilities. Len McCluskey said

:56:34.:56:39.

he could deal with it. Other smaller unions are grumpy. Tony Blair swung

:56:39.:56:43.

behind him. The first time we have seen Tony Blair and Len McCluskey

:56:43.:56:47.

agree on anything. That will bubble on as we forced through the detail.

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He needs to do this, he needs to have some kind of' blueprint, in

:56:52.:56:57.

place or to Selby the Labour Conference or all hell could Blake

:56:57.:57:02.

out? That is a fair thing to say. He has got the luxury of time, and it

:57:02.:57:07.

does feel in the same with way with tobacco and alcohol pricing he will

:57:07.:57:11.

be saved by the bell. We understand there could be a bit of a man

:57:11.:57:15.

anyreshuffle but it is going to involve a bunch of popties nobody

:57:15.:57:19.

has heard of being replayed by another bunch nobody has heard of.

:57:19.:57:26.

What we are being told it will be a second tyre, so if that is the case

:57:26.:57:30.

-- tier, it races the question how do you promote the people from the

:57:30.:57:33.

second tier up into the Cabinet without removing somebody from the

:57:33.:57:38.

Cabinet? It will probably be a bit of a shuffle to tinge deing at the

:57:38.:57:42.

edges, maybe bringing new people into, and clearing out a bit of

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deadwood. Some could have more time on their hand than they were

:57:46.:57:52.

bargaining for. Before we go, the question was what electronic gizmo

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has Mr Osbourne been spotted wearing?

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I am told an i-toaster, it toasts your eyes! It is the Jawbone

:58:08.:58:13.

wristband. The George bone! I have got one myself, I am not sure it

:58:13.:58:17.

works. It might. Any way it is sup poetsed

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to tell you what you have eat, how many calorie, Don't you know what

:58:23.:58:30.

you were eating by the fact you ate it. It is a gizmo. Does it go

:58:30.:58:35.

alcohol and cigarette intake. didn't like wearing it because it

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did count the alcohol a bit! That is it for today. Hanks to Helen Lewis

:58:40.:58:45.

Andrew Neil with political news and debate from Westminster, including the decision to postpone plans for standardised plain cigarette packaging and signs of economic green shoots.


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