30/10/2013 Daily Politics


30/10/2013

Andrew Neil and Jo Coburn are joined by MPs Alan Duncan and Vernon Coaker to discuss all the latest political news, plus, live coverage of Prime Minister's Questions.


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Good morning, this is the Daily Politics. Don't all show that

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once... -- shed at once, but some of Britain's energy companies to

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greedy? Perish the thought. We will be talking to the boss of a wee

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energy firm who thinks they are. He plans to investigate the market that

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will be looked at by the Government tomorrow. And in the interests of

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saving energy, we will be harnessing the hot air of this week PMQs.

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It's round two of when Mo met Tommy. We'll be talking to the former

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leader of the EDL. And is the NHS engine over-heating?

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We'll be talking to one health specialist who has this rather scary

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warning? All that and more in the next

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ever-increasing wave of demand, it will soon break down.

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We are coping here this morning, but more of that in the next 90 minutes.

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And with as for the duration, Westminster's finest double act.

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Their agents told me to say that. Al and Vern. It could be one word, Alan

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Byrne. In pursuit of public service broadcasting, iota of vessel, they

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were all we could afford. The International Development Minister

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Alan Duncan and the shiny new Shadow Defence Secretary, big Vernon Coker.

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Welcome to you both. Since I have you both here, international aid,

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defence, should some of the aid budget be taken to help our

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stretched forces? People think that if you took the aid budget and

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transferred it to defence, it would make all the difference but we

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worked so well together already. The defence budget is three and a half

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times the size of the total development budget, but we work very

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closely together in lots of conflict ridden places in the world and at

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the moment, we have pressing requirement in Syria and outside

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Syria in what is the biggest humanitarian intervention. The

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defence budget is being slashed, yours is being increased. If you

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want me to give money to him, if he were in Government would you want to

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take money away from people who are eating cats and dogs in Damascus?

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You know that is not the choice, because that kind of aid, that goes

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directly to help people in real need, is a very small percentage of

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your 10 billion. You gave... Two thirds of your budget goes through

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the World Bank, the EU, the UN, three bywords for waste and

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profligacy. I don't think so, but you are right, there is a

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significant element, 40%, that goes to multilateral organisations, much

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of it which would happen if there was not a department for

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International development, but don't me the United Nations is not doing

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important stuff to feed people, to help them, keep the peace -- then

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tell. You know how much they waste. It is very glib to say get rid of

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them all, we know what they do and we keep a beady eye on them to make

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sure we get value for the money we give them. You have been attacking

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the Government for numbers only terror shall -- numbers in the

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territorial Army, trying to beef it up, but wouldn't you need to come if

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you are trying to do it, for extra money for defence? What we are

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saying is the Government has one problem of reform, it is in trouble

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in the number of reservists that are being used to take the place of the

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number of full-time soldiers. So it is a reform problem. We should they

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should pause, with respect to that, to see if it will save them any

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money or whether actually, there is a better way of doing it. I

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understand what you mean but if you were to stop this move of a

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rebalancing towards a bigger reservist army, that would cost you

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more money in the short run as professional soldiers are more

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expensive. Where would you get that from? That is why you posted, it is

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not about spending more money, it is about looking to see what is

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happening with respect to the reform programme that the Government is

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pursuing, and there are some doubts as to whether it will actually save

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any money at all. He was the interesting thing that people don't

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understand. That -- hearers. We give ?450 million a year to Pakistan

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while we slash around defence budgets to give us the smallest army

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since the Napoleonic war. And yet Pakistan spends how much of its

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national budget on defence? I agree that... Let me tell you. They spend

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54% of all federal spending in Pakistan on defence. So we give them

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a small amount of money, so that they can do something with the

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appalling poverty there, although it is only on the edges, while they

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spent over half of their money on something we are slashing, called

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defence. Explain the logic? If we don't act as we are acting in

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Pakistan, this is the country where some of the greatest dangers in the

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world could emanate, including having the nuclear balance next door

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with India. So what we do in Pakistan can make an enormous amount

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of difference. If you had a Pakistan incomplete decay, the costs of

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curing that problem would far exceed the money spent... You cannot claim

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that 450 million is making a difference to whether Pakistan goes

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over the edge or not, let's be serious. It makes a contribution to

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that but we are also focusing on course on pressing polity, there is

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pretty ghastly poverty in Pakistan and we don't turn our backs on

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people who don't know where their next meal is coming from. Of course,

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they would if they didn't spend half of their budget on defence in the

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Pakistan Government. Today, the Privy Council, the group

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of senior ministers who advise the Queen, is due to head to Buckingham

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Palace to finally approve the Royal Charter and press regulation. Once

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it is approved, following the ideals of the Levinson choir is a done

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deal, but the press has other ideas, trying to put the charter on hold.

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Ross Hawkins watches all things Levinson, so we don't have to, a

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very admirable role. -- Levenson. What is happening?

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The weight of deja vu is crashing. We have been on the traffic island

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in front of this court before four months and months, hearing from Lord

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Justice Leveson, thinking it would be sorted out, but it wasn't

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anywhere near. Today, finally settling on the version of a Royal

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Charter to help regulate the press that the political parties agree on,

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surely it will be over them? Apparently not. What the press are

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trying to do is get an injunction to say that that meeting cannot go

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ahead, Her Majesty cannot give the seal on this. They say that because

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the way that version of the press charter was dealt with was unfair,

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we heard in there that there was practically a Kafkaesque situation.

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Two judges looking wisely over their glasses at a QC. I wouldn't dare

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predict what judgement they will come to, but it is possible but at

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the end of this hearing, the Queen and ministers get told, I am awfully

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sorry, you cannot make a decision today because the lawyers will not

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let you. Ross Hawkins, thank you. Joining us

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is the Sun columnist Trevor Kavanagh. You are trying to hold

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this progress for a Royal Charter, but what you really want is delayed,

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because more delay will mean that this could be kicked into the long

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grass and you can go ahead and set up your own regulator. No, we want a

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regulator. We want clarity. What we have is a fudge and this is a

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political attempt to control the press by state statute, and it has

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been stitched up in secret in late-night meetings between parties

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that do not involve the newspaper industry, and the Privy Council,

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which meets in secret. We don't even know who is in the Privy Council.

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You don't know the players at this point, you will know afterwards, but

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what is missing in terms of clarity? Transparency, for one thing. But you

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know what is being proposed. We do. The simple fact is we don't know who

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is making the decision, how they are doing so, where they are even

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meeting, in fact. When the initial plan was put together, it was at

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3am, involving political party leaders in the office of Ed

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Miliband, attended by the campaigning group Hacked Off, and no

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representation from the newspaper groups. And it was proposed, not

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voluntarily agreed, but we have put one forward that covers everything

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that Leveson suggested except it does not require state legislation.

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What will you do if the High Court bid today fails? I suspect we will

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continue to operate under the terms of the charter we set up. Will that

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be up and running by January? I should think so. So nothing is going

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to change your mind in terms of signing up to what has been proposed

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by the Government? Nobody is going to sign up, I think, to state

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control. Do you know that for a fact? It is going to be a case of

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safety in numbers, so if everybody stays on board, along the lines you

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have said that, then you are going to have a much bigger stick to try

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and beat the Government with. Are you worried that some of them may

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pull away if the Royal Charter goes ahead today? It is always possible,

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but if anything, they are getting more together than falling apart, so

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I think the Government measures are not wholly supported, even within

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the Government. So I think that there is plenty of room, even

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there, for negotiation and manoeuvre. I wouldn't be surprised

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if something crops up. Is there room for negotiation? What happens, Alan

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Duncan, if the charter is sealed today and the press, the main

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groups, say no. It is absurd to call the state control. All it is doing

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is setting up a framework within which they can be a process of

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independent regulation, so that neither Trevor know I know Vernon

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can make a judgement over the press -- nor I, nor Vernon. What we have

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lacked over many years is a genuine independent, really sort of process

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of address. Some members of the press have behaved abominably and

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many who think they are the victims of bad press contact me Natalie feel

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they have no means of redress -- bad press conduct feel they have no

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means of redress. This is doing something about it. But my question

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is, what you do if the say no? They will run the risk of damages and

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don't sign up? I don't know the immediate answer. So many people are

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so bamboozled about what has really happened since Levenson, they are in

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a muddle. If you are to as people in the street what this charter is

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about, they will say they don't understand. But my understanding is,

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as I have just explain that if the press do not somehow sign up to it,

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it is a pity, because they came up with a proposal that was not

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compliant with what Lord Justice Leveson suggested. Yes it was, it

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was completely compliant. It was voluntary, it covered everything he

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recommended. It wanted former editors to sit on the regulation.

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What about the composition of those sitting in regulation? Former

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editors... You have got to have some input from people who know the

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industry is about. As Ed Miliband Harding in his view since the row

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about his father with the Daily Mail -- as Ed Miliband hardened in his

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view? I think he has been motivated all the way through by the fact that

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we are in a situation that the press backwardly public had lost faith in

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the complaints procedure. What we are discussing some of the most

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awful abuses of press abuse that we have seen, cases like Millie Dowler.

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It is not about regulating the press, as such, it is about how

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complaints are dealt with, how ree dress is achieved by people in a way

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which is independent of Parliament, and independent of the press, and I

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think people would see that as sensible. How determined are the

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Tories to see this through? I don't think it is the Tories, as such.

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Politicians are trying to find an answer to the long-standing question

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about how to address the unsatisfactory state of press

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regulations, as Vernon has just said. In my view, there is nothing

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in here that would go anywhere near stopping the press saying something

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they thought was true. As the Americans say, you can put lipstick

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on a pig and it is still a pig. On that parroted line, we will end it

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there, thank you. It was billed as the dirty

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half-dozen meets high noon. But what happened when the big six energy

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bosses, actually not all of them turned up, their surrogates,

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appeared before the energy select committee yesterday afternoon?

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Surprise surprise, they defended prices in the rise of wholesale

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energy. The show was not stolen by any of the MPs doing the cruising

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but by one Lone Ranger, the managing director of OVO Energy. Here is a

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flavour of the session. The easiest way I can explain to you

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what has happened in the wholesale market in terms of pricing is the

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most expensive price we have paid for wholesale gas in the last four

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years was in May 2011, 74p, and since then, it has been below 73p

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for this winter, last winter and next winter. We are buying for next

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winter at the current price of 69p. So I cannot explain any of these

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price rises other than they are not the prices that we see in the

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wholesale market. We effectively ran our retail business as a separate

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business unit, and one of the things the Labour Party has been talking

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about is ring fencing generation and retail. That is something that we

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effectively do and we would support. Is it not just about the

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biggest problem, that is that consumers can no longer afford to

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pay their energy bills? In politicising things, what are you

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going to do for consumers? When it comes to... There are two key things

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to talk about, all the profits they are? But how can the profits be fair

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when people cannot afford to pay for energy? Because the second part of

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this is what we do with the profits. I do not make a 5% profit in my

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business, if that does not happen, I cannot employ 20,000 people. They

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are equally members of our society. And cannot afford to operate the

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company. We make a fraction of what mobile phone company makes.

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Dashboard off on companies make. Why have written to the Prime Minister

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and the Secretary of State Colin for a Competition Commission. I

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fundamentally believe that this market is competitive. But iPods

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that we are not trusted and therefore I believe that we need to

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have a very thorough Competition Commission investigation. We're

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trying to track down where the money is going and last time out was here

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and the time before then, I said you will never find it. These guys are

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the best at filibustering in the business. And the Chief Executive of

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overall energy, you saw in front of the committee yesterday, joins us

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from Bristol. -- overall energy. I understand that you do not pay the

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same environmental and social charges, so that must be one reason

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why you do not charge as much. You are right. Ofgem tried to encourage

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more competition by allowing exemptions to small suppliers. Over

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the last couple of years, we have not contributed to the environmental

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levies. They make up about 4% of the bills and some of the price

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differences we have seen are more like 14 or 15%. What is the average

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difference between somebody with British Gas and somebody with you?

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The average of the four of the big six, the average is about ?165. That

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is about 14 or 15% higher. But you increased prices in April? We our

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prices up, having not raise our prices for the whole of last winter.

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After the warm weather last year, we decided not to have a pricing

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crease. As it was a cold March and April, we saw a rebound in gas and

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electricity prices. And that led to us putting up our presence. Like any

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other energy company, when our wholesale prices go up, our prices

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will follow. We have always said we would try to keep this to a minimum.

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But it is not like we will never put up prices. This is not, there is no

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magic solution. But you said that wholesale prices are lower than they

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were two years ago and have looked at the costs and that is right. Why

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have you not reduced your bills? As everybody has said, there are lots

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of components that make up consumer energy bills. There are

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environmental and social levies and wholesale gas costs. Last October,

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we saw network costs going up considerably. This was offset by a

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temporary fall in wholesale prices so we did not change our price

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because, on balance, our input costs had not changed. When the wholesale

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price moved back up again, in April, we had to pass that on. But

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according to Ofgem, wholesale gas and electricity prices are going to

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rise this winter, too, and that is why the energy prices have gone up.

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The price we are paying for wholesale gas has not moved

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significantly in the last two years. Electricity is creeping up but it is

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a couple of percentage points. All we're saying is that we do not see

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those price rises in our wholesale costs. If the big six are paying

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more for gas and electricity, that is a matter for them. What is your

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profit margins? We hope to make 5% profit per customer. One of the

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things that makes us different is that we try to make 5% of profit for

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each customer rather than making a big profit margin on some customers

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and a loss on others. So your profit margins is no different from the big

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six? I do not think profits are evil. They are not the problem. I

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think most consumers would be very happy to have a profitable energy

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company supplying them as long as they got good service and they felt

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they were getting good value for money. In the absence of good value

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for money and good customer service, people look to energy company

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profits and say that they do not deserve them. I'm not sure whether

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you have said it but the big six have been accused of being a cartel

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is a word with a particular meaning, cartels are actually

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illegal under British and German law. A cartel implies people

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colluding against the interests of the public. And IFS eyes colluding.

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Is it your view that they are a cartel? -- and I emphasise. I do not

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believe that they are a cartel. A cartel implies collusion, and I do

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not think there are secret meetings somewhere where they decide how much

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to charge British customers, but they do -- I do think they are as

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bad as each other. They do not offer a great choice. I would like to see

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the regulator take a stronger line on promoting competition and, in

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particular, new entrants into the market like us, although we would be

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happy to see more entrants offering different business models and

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therefore more choice. Think we have to be careful. The big six have an

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important role to play in the energy industry. There is a lot of

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investment required. We would like to win some of their market share

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but we're not saying that what they are doing is illegal or in anyway

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collusive. We just think they are all pretty much the same. You say

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you're going to have to start paying the green levies next year.

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Wholesale gas prices, you say, are rising again. And you have to pay

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the regulated costs of distribution to the National Grid, which because

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we are building windmills in parts of the world weather is not

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distribution, that is becoming an expensive part of doing business. I

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would think that your LO just prices will have to go up to. -- your

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electricity prices. I will not rule anything out but I can say that we

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have no plan for a price rise. But they all say that! The boss of aeon

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said that on the BBC this morning! Michael Heseltine said that when he

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said he was not running against Margaret Thatcher. -- EON. You're

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sounding like a politician now! Bad news indeed! If our costs go up and

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we cannot absorb them, prices will have to go up. We have never claimed

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to have the magic all it. We do not claim to have a secret answer. -- a

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magic bullet. We are trying to be as efficient as possible. We do not

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have any marketing gimmicks to convince customers they are getting

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a good deal. That forces us to keep our costs down. I hope that we will

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just be better than the competition. I do not know that we can keep a lid

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on prices for ever if everyone else's costs are going up. Alan

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Duncan, are we clearer yet? The Prime Minister, spoke of rolling

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back the green levies. Are we any clearer on what that means? I think

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we want to reduce the burden of the green levies. Which ones? That was a

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remarkable interview because that had the answer. Anger or hatred will

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not bring down prices. 30 years ago, in the oil business, the traders I

:24:34.:24:37.

worked for drove the big companies out of their dominance. That kind of

:24:38.:24:42.

market power is what we need in the utilities industry. So what is your

:24:43.:24:46.

answer? The answer is that we need more companies like that. That is

:24:47.:24:53.

the answer to your question. My question was, indulge me, and answer

:24:54.:24:58.

the question. What green levies are we talking about? This has not been

:24:59.:25:06.

defined exactly. So you do not know. No. Well, don't waffle, just say you

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do not know. Peter Helm, the premier egg Djurdjic -- energy expert says

:25:14.:25:24.

that the cost of investing in energy capital is higher so that the costs

:25:25.:25:29.

will be higher, thanks to Labour. I disagree. We said that the should be

:25:30.:25:33.

a price freeze. If we were to win the next election. During that time,

:25:34.:25:38.

we would refund the market and do all the things that we said. But if

:25:39.:25:45.

he removes the levies, he will be able to cut the price, not just

:25:46.:25:50.

freeze at? But nobody has a clue. If global prices have gone up. How can

:25:51.:26:01.

you reform the market? He has no idea what he's talking about. We

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have to move. As we have been hearing, gas bills are rising, and

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saw temperatures. Actually, they are falling. Often leaves this morning.

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The first taste of what I've fought one got back this morning. The

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clocks have gone back and the nights are drawing in. It is a cliche a

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By wanting a jumper. Anyway, is this a politics programme

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or a daytime knitting show? Coming up, it is almost midday. Big Ben is

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behind me. A sunny, autumnal day. With just a tinge of air

:29:43.:29:45.

conditioning. By ministers questions is on its way and James Landale is

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here. A cornucopia of things that could happen today. What will they

:29:50.:29:54.

do? There is a lot. But there is nothing dominant or obvious. Ed

:29:55.:29:59.

Miliband has done very well on the cost of living so think the

:30:00.:30:01.

temptation will be to on their patch. But because of yesterday's

:30:02.:30:06.

committee hearings, there is not much for him to bite on. He might

:30:07.:30:10.

stay on the same subject or they might go to water or something else

:30:11.:30:16.

like that. Mr Cameron could have fun on labour's Makkah nations over

:30:17.:30:25.

HS2? Definitely that is rich pickings for him. -- imaginations.

:30:26.:30:33.

Hopefully he will have a sub editor who will tell you not to use that

:30:34.:30:38.

word. It is an area where Labour are vulnerable. There is an opportunity

:30:39.:30:43.

for that and eye would be amazed if the whips have not got an MP to ask

:30:44.:30:46.

that question. Straight to the Commons. This morning, I have had

:30:47.:30:54.

meetings with my colleagues and eye There are over 1 million new jobs.

:30:55.:31:11.

We were told that the Government has a programme which would clearly lead

:31:12.:31:14.

to the disappearance of a million jobs. Isn't it time for the person

:31:15.:31:21.

who said that to admit they were wrong and apologise.

:31:22.:31:29.

My honourable friend is absolutely right. The British economy is on the

:31:30.:31:34.

mend. We see unemployment coming down, the numbers in work are going

:31:35.:31:39.

up. Our growth rate is now forecast to be almost three times as fast as

:31:40.:31:43.

German growth. And frankly, the party opposite and the Leader of the

:31:44.:31:48.

Opposition told us we would lose a million jobs. He was absolutely

:31:49.:31:51.

wrong and it is time he got to his feet and told us he was wrong.

:31:52.:32:08.

Mister Speaker, having listened to the select committee hearing

:32:09.:32:11.

yesterday, can the Prime Minister tell us, what is the difference...

:32:12.:32:23.

THE SPEAKER: Order. Can I tell the Prime Minister's PBS, his role is to

:32:24.:32:28.

not his head in the appropriate places and fetch and carry notes. No

:32:29.:32:33.

noise required. Mister Miliband. Having listened to the hearing

:32:34.:32:37.

yesterday, can the Prime Minister tell us what the differences between

:32:38.:32:40.

his policy on energy and that of the energy companies? Not a word of

:32:41.:32:46.

apology about predicting 1 million jobs lost. They got it wrong and

:32:47.:32:53.

they can't bear to admit it. THE SPEAKER: Order. The question

:32:54.:32:57.

must be heard and the answers must be heard, however long it takes.

:32:58.:33:02.

Some people need to get used to the fact that that is what the public

:33:03.:33:07.

would like to see from the House of Commons. Prime Minister. The energy

:33:08.:33:11.

market needs more competition and lower levies and charges to drive

:33:12.:33:15.

profits and prices down. At what we have learned, Mister Speaker in the

:33:16.:33:19.

last week, is that this competition should include switching. At the

:33:20.:33:24.

dispatch box, he said, I will tell the Prime Minister what is a con,

:33:25.:33:28.

telling people that the answer is to switch suppliers. But what did we

:33:29.:33:34.

find out over the last few days? He switched his supplier. Yes! He went

:33:35.:33:41.

for one of these insurgent companies to cut his bills. Isn't it typical?

:33:42.:33:46.

He comes here every week and attacks Tory policy. He goes home and he

:33:47.:33:50.

adopts Tory policy to help his own family. Mister Speaker...

:33:51.:34:01.

The only thing people need to do, if they want somebody to stand up

:34:02.:34:04.

against the energy companies, they need to switch the Prime Minister,

:34:05.:34:10.

and that is what they know. Now, as the unofficial spokesman for the

:34:11.:34:18.

energy companies, maybe he can answer the question that they could

:34:19.:34:24.

not answer yesterday. Can he explain why, when wholesale prices have

:34:25.:34:28.

hardly moved since a year ago, retail prices are rising by around

:34:29.:34:35.

10%? Because we need both competition and rolling back the

:34:36.:34:40.

cost of charges. Switching is part of competition. And the company that

:34:41.:34:46.

he switched to has this to say about his energy freeze: They said, "a

:34:47.:34:56.

policy like this is potentially problematic for an independent

:34:57.:35:02.

provider. Bluntly, it could put me under." So that is his policy, not

:35:03.:35:05.

listening to the people providing his energy, but having less choice,

:35:06.:35:11.

less competition and higher prices. It is the same old Labour. He had no

:35:12.:35:18.

answer to the question. And I will its play on something quite simple

:35:19.:35:23.

to him. Most energy companies do not want a price freeze. And most

:35:24.:35:28.

consumers do. That is why the energy companies are against the price

:35:29.:35:31.

freeze. He is so on the side of the energy companies that we should call

:35:32.:35:35.

them the big seven, the Prime Minister and the big six energy

:35:36.:35:41.

companies. Now, in opposition, he said this: "There is a problem in

:35:42.:35:49.

the relationship between wholesale and retail prices. The first thing

:35:50.:35:53.

you have got to do is give the regulator the teeth to order that

:35:54.:36:00.

those reductions are made. That is what we would do." Mister Speaker,

:36:01.:36:05.

why, when it comes to the energy companies, has he gone from Rambo to

:36:06.:36:12.

Bambi in four short years? Who was it who gave us the big six?

:36:13.:36:18.

Yes! When Labour first looked at this, there were almost 20

:36:19.:36:23.

companies, but because of his stewardship, we ended up with six

:36:24.:36:27.

players. Now, they talk about a price freeze, but down the corridor,

:36:28.:36:30.

they have been voting for a price rise. That is right, they voted for

:36:31.:36:36.

a decarbonisation target that everyone accepts would rise prices.

:36:37.:36:42.

If he wants a price freeze, why has he just voted for a price rise? It

:36:43.:36:50.

is just so hard to keep up with this Prime Minister on green levies,

:36:51.:36:54.

isn't it? This is what he was saying in January. Believe it or not, he

:36:55.:36:59.

was boasting about the size of his green levies. He said this, I kid

:37:00.:37:07.

you not, he said, and I quote, "eco-was many times the size of the

:37:08.:37:11.

scheme it replaced, so when it comes to green, the bigger the better" and

:37:12.:37:22.

now he says the opposite. On competition, here is the problem.

:37:23.:37:29.

Here is the problem... He wants a review on energy policy, but that is

:37:30.:37:34.

exactly what the energy companies want, a long enquiry, kicking the

:37:35.:37:40.

problem into the long grass. How well a review that reports next

:37:41.:37:43.

summer help people to pay their bills this winter? --how will. We

:37:44.:37:50.

want to competition enquiry that starts right away, that is our

:37:51.:37:55.

policy. The point about voting for a price rise, he has the answer,

:37:56.:37:59.

because this is what the former Labour energy spokesman, Lord

:38:00.:38:02.

Donoghue, said in the House of Lords, and he should listen... "I

:38:03.:38:08.

have never spoken against a Labour amendment in 28 years in this House,

:38:09.:38:13.

but I am troubled by the consequences for ordinary people.

:38:14.:38:16.

The amendment will raise the cost of living and is in conflict with a

:38:17.:38:24.

future price freeze. " That is from Labour's and policy spokesman of the

:38:25.:38:28.

past in the House of Lords. The fact is the whole country can see he is a

:38:29.:38:32.

one trick pony and he has run out of road. Let me tell him, if he wants

:38:33.:38:42.

to talk about what people are saying...

:38:43.:38:47.

THE SPEAKER: Order. Can we try to recover some semblance of calm? It

:38:48.:38:53.

would be good for the health, beneficial to people's wellbeing.

:38:54.:38:58.

They must try and grow up, even those below the age of 60. His own

:38:59.:39:05.

former environment Secretary, the man in charge of the climate change

:39:06.:39:08.

committee, says his figures are false. That is what he says. Instead

:39:09.:39:14.

of having a review, he has got an opportunity to do something for the

:39:15.:39:18.

public next week. He has got an energy bill going through

:39:19.:39:21.

Parliament. Instead of sitting on his hands, he could amend that Bill

:39:22.:39:25.

to institute a price freeze now. We will support a price freeze, why

:39:26.:39:32.

does he not act? Because it is not a price freeze, it is a price con. And

:39:33.:39:39.

the fact is, he is hiding behind this economically illiterate policy

:39:40.:39:42.

because he cannot talk about the economy, because it is growing. He

:39:43.:39:47.

cannot talk about unemployment, because it is falling. He cannot

:39:48.:39:51.

talk about the deficit, because it has come down. He has nothing else

:39:52.:39:55.

to say, he is a weak leader with no ideas.

:39:56.:40:00.

I will tell you who is weak, it is this Prime Minister, too weak to

:40:01.:40:06.

stand up to the energy companies. Nothing less than a price freeze

:40:07.:40:10.

will do. Because this is the only way that we can deal with the energy

:40:11.:40:16.

companies overcharging. It is time he started acting like a Prime

:40:17.:40:19.

Minister, standing up for consumers and stopped acting like a PR man for

:40:20.:40:25.

the energy companies. I will tell you what is weak and were too weak

:40:26.:40:30.

to stand up and admit their economic failures. Too weak to stand up to

:40:31.:40:35.

Len McCluskey, who tried to wreck the Scotland's petrochemical

:40:36.:40:39.

industry, and too weak to stand up to the Shadow Chancellor... Order!

:40:40.:40:45.

Mister Quinn, recover your composure, man. You are wholly out

:40:46.:40:51.

of control. Prime Minister. Letters just examined what has happened with

:40:52.:40:56.

high speed to this week. The Shadow Chancellor to ring the radio studios

:40:57.:41:00.

telling everyone it won't go ahead -- high-speed two. What has he done,

:41:01.:41:12.

cowered in his office, too weak to make a decision. Britain deserves

:41:13.:41:17.

better than that flopped. -- ban that lot.

:41:18.:41:27.

Last year, businesses, yes businesses, created three times as

:41:28.:41:34.

many jobs in the private sector as well ask in the public sector. So is

:41:35.:41:38.

it not high time, Prime Minister, that those who made the mistake

:41:39.:41:43.

predictions that we would not be able to create as many Private jobs

:41:44.:41:48.

that were lost in the public sector should go on to admit that they got

:41:49.:41:54.

it wrong? My honourable friend is absolutely right. They should admit

:41:55.:41:58.

that they got it wrong. Let us remember what the Leader of the

:41:59.:42:02.

Opposition said as late as March 2012. He said, "you are not going to

:42:03.:42:06.

be able to replace the jobs in the public sector quickly enough in the

:42:07.:42:12.

private sector. We now have 1 million more people employed in our

:42:13.:42:17.

country. 1.4 million private sector jobs, but they are too weak to admit

:42:18.:42:23.

they got it wrong. I'm grateful, Mister Speaker. Does the Prime

:42:24.:42:28.

Minister believed that the accident and emergency crisis in the NHS has

:42:29.:42:32.

anything to do with the fact that he has cut 6,000 nurses since coming to

:42:33.:42:42.

power? What we see in the NHS is 23,000 fewer nonclinical grades,

:42:43.:42:45.

bureaucrats and managers, taken out of the NHS, and we see 4,000 more

:42:46.:42:50.

clinical staff, including over 5,000 more doctors, in our NHS. That is

:42:51.:42:55.

the change we have seen. Just imagine if we had listened to labour

:42:56.:42:59.

and cut the NHS budget. We believe in the NHS and we have invested in

:43:00.:43:05.

it. How does the chamber of commerce reported that the last economic

:43:06.:43:09.

survey shows real business optimism, with the rise of the number of local

:43:10.:43:15.

firms employing UK staff, a rise in UK orders an attempt cent increase

:43:16.:43:19.

in staff. Theirs my right honourable friend agree that this is evidence

:43:20.:43:23.

that the Government's economic plan is working and the party opposite

:43:24.:43:27.

got it wrong. My honourable friend is right. We had to take tough

:43:28.:43:33.

decisions, but growth is there. Unemployment is falling, we have

:43:34.:43:36.

4,000 more businesses in this country and if we had listened to

:43:37.:43:40.

the Shadow Chancellor, who said we were in for a lost decade of growth,

:43:41.:43:44.

we would have higher debts, higher interest rates and it would be the

:43:45.:43:48.

same old outcome under the same old Labour. In a recent survey, 75% of

:43:49.:43:58.

people said they switch their heating of on one or more occasion

:43:59.:44:04.

-- switched their heating off on one or more occasion last winter. Does

:44:05.:44:08.

that rapidly to Prime Minister expect that to go up or down this

:44:09.:44:15.

year -- does the Prime Minister. We have maintained the winter payments,

:44:16.:44:20.

the cold weather payments and increase benefits the poorest

:44:21.:44:23.

families get in this country. That is the action we have taken and we

:44:24.:44:27.

can only afford to because we have taken tough and sensible decisions

:44:28.:44:34.

on the economy. A few days ago, I launched the business case for the

:44:35.:44:37.

electrification of the Harrogate and Knaresborough rail line, for more

:44:38.:44:41.

trains, faster services and better rolling stock. After the last

:44:42.:44:44.

Government electrified just nine miles in 13 years, can my right

:44:45.:44:49.

honourable friend continue to prioritise rail electrification? He

:44:50.:44:53.

makes a very good point, the last Government did just nine miles of

:44:54.:44:58.

electrification in 13 years. Absolutely pathetic. We are putting

:44:59.:45:02.

?1 billion into modernising railways in the North of England. And let's

:45:03.:45:09.

just look again at this issue of HS2. It needs cross-party agreement

:45:10.:45:11.

to make this important infrastructure scream go ahead, and

:45:12.:45:17.

what a pathetic spectacle this week -- infrastructure scheme. One if

:45:18.:45:20.

they are forward, then they are against it and the Leader of the

:45:21.:45:23.

Opposition is too weak to make a decision. I have come across a very

:45:24.:45:29.

interesting interview given to The Times by the Prime Minister, during

:45:30.:45:32.

which he stopped off at his constituency office, to "turn the

:45:33.:45:37.

heating on, so it is nicer when I get back this afternoon" . How many

:45:38.:45:41.

of my constituents does he think will afford such niceties as we

:45:42.:45:46.

approach this winter? His constituents will understand that

:45:47.:45:49.

their price freeze is a price can't. Prices would go up beforehand,

:45:50.:45:54.

prices would go up afterwards and has he himself has admitted, they

:45:55.:45:57.

wouldn't keep their promise because they don't control gas prices. That

:45:58.:46:05.

is why everybody knows it is a con. One of my constituents from

:46:06.:46:11.

Carmarthen left school at 16 and was told that the only choice had was

:46:12.:46:14.

which prison he might end up in. Four years later he is running a

:46:15.:46:18.

chocolate company. Does the Prime Minister agree that the record

:46:19.:46:25.

number of new business start-ups is as much down to people like him than

:46:26.:46:29.

the excellent work of the Chancellor? I joined my my

:46:30.:46:34.

honourable friend in paying tribute to his constituent and the way he is

:46:35.:46:44.

turning his life around. Of course Labour do not want to hear about

:46:45.:46:49.

success stories. They do not care. They do not care about enterprise

:46:50.:46:52.

and small businesses. But it is this enterprise and small business that

:46:53.:46:58.

is turning around our country. There is a new flat launched in my

:46:59.:47:08.

constituency, built as a result of public money under the government's

:47:09.:47:12.

affordable housing scheme. It is a two bedroom flat and it is ?720,000.

:47:13.:47:21.

Does the Prime Minister believe this to be affordable and if so, to whom?

:47:22.:47:27.

We need to build more houses in our country and that is why we are

:47:28.:47:31.

reforming the planning system which they posed. That is why we have

:47:32.:47:35.

introduced helped by, which they opposed. That is why we introduced

:47:36.:47:39.

extra money into affordable housing. They oppose that. They are

:47:40.:47:45.

the build absolutely nothing party and as a result, housing will become

:47:46.:47:51.

less affordable. Over the last few decades, hundreds of millions of

:47:52.:47:54.

people have been lifted out of poverty in India and China. As those

:47:55.:47:57.

people have increased their living standards, the energy demands have

:47:58.:48:02.

increased. Would my honourable friend agree that if we are to have

:48:03.:48:09.

sustainable, long-term energy, the deal which the Prime Minister

:48:10.:48:17.

heralded is a good idea? Think it is an important step forward to

:48:18.:48:22.

encourage inward investment into our country to fund our nuclear

:48:23.:48:25.

programme. That actually means we're going to have dependable low carbon

:48:26.:48:31.

electricity in the future. And to the people who oppose foreign

:48:32.:48:37.

investment, the party opposite, with all the flip-flops they have done

:48:38.:48:41.

this week, I would not be surprised if they started to oppose nuclear

:48:42.:48:45.

energy, too. Foreign investment means we can use our firepower to

:48:46.:48:49.

build hospitals, schools, roads and where Rose. -- and railways. Does

:48:50.:48:56.

the Prime Minister believe that Royal mail was undervalued? When you

:48:57.:49:02.

consider that Royal mail, in the past, was losing billions of pounds,

:49:03.:49:08.

the whole country is far better off with it in the private sector. I've

:49:09.:49:12.

just talked about flip-flops and there is another one from the Labour

:49:13.:49:17.

Party. Who was it that said we needed to privatise Royal mail?

:49:18.:49:21.

Anyone, anyone? Where is Peter Mandelson when you need him? They

:49:22.:49:25.

said we needed private capital and I'd agree. They said we needed

:49:26.:49:29.

private management and I'd agree. And it has taken this government to

:49:30.:49:37.

deliver the policy. With 450,000 new businesses, we have seen the biggest

:49:38.:49:47.

monthly fall on employment -- in unemployment on record. Unemployment

:49:48.:49:49.

is down by 30%. Would the Prime Minister agreed that by supporting

:49:50.:49:55.

businesses to grow, we can and do labour's legacy of unemployment? My

:49:56.:50:00.

honourable friend is right. Whoever is in government right now would

:50:01.:50:03.

have to be making difficult reductions in the public sector.

:50:04.:50:06.

That will obviously leads to the reduction of public sector jobs. We

:50:07.:50:11.

need a strong private sector recovery and that is what we have

:50:12.:50:14.

seen. 1.4 million more jobs in the private sector, meaning that overall

:50:15.:50:19.

there are 1 million more people employed in our country. That is 1

:50:20.:50:24.

million reasons to stick to our plan and reject the medicine suggested by

:50:25.:50:32.

the party opposite. Current legislation to protect agency

:50:33.:50:36.

workers was designed to stop the export Asian migrant workers and

:50:37.:50:40.

protect the wages and conditions our indigenous workers. I know the Prime

:50:41.:50:45.

Minister has spoken on this issue but can he reassure the House that

:50:46.:50:48.

he will resist any temptation to download even further protection for

:50:49.:50:53.

agency workers? You already has! I want to see more jobs in this

:50:54.:50:57.

country, and that means making sure we keep our flexible workforce. Of

:50:58.:51:01.

course, what the honourable gentleman did not tell us is that he

:51:02.:51:08.

chairs the Unite group of Labour MPs. Perhaps he ought to declare

:51:09.:51:12.

that when he steps up. And while he is at it, perhaps you can have a

:51:13.:51:16.

word with Len McCluskey and say that we need to have a proper enquiry

:51:17.:51:21.

into what happened in Unite, with what happened in Grangemouth.

:51:22.:51:24.

Because we know the leader of the Labour Party is too weak to do it

:51:25.:51:32.

himself. The economy is growing by 1.5% in the last six months. During

:51:33.:51:37.

that time, in my constituency the number of job-seekers has fallen by

:51:38.:51:41.

a fifth. Raising living standards requires rater productivity from a

:51:42.:51:44.

skilled workforce. But in Chippenham, hopes were -- five years

:51:45.:51:48.

ago when the national college building programme ran out of money.

:51:49.:51:52.

We'll be Prime Minister join me in backing Wiltshire College's bid to

:51:53.:52:01.

rebuild our campus, for local students to gain the skills that the

:52:02.:52:06.

employers demand? I agree with what my honourable friend said. We

:52:07.:52:08.

remember the disappointment when labour's planned investment

:52:09.:52:15.

collapsed in so many colleges. It is this government that is now putting

:52:16.:52:17.

in the money to see that expansion and improvement happens. And I'm

:52:18.:52:24.

sure that can happen in Wiltshire as well as Whitby. Since two thirds of

:52:25.:52:31.

the green levies on energy bills were established under this

:52:32.:52:33.

government, why is the Prime Minister attacking himself? Many of

:52:34.:52:42.

the green levies were put in place by the party opposite. Let me remind

:52:43.:52:48.

him that one of the first acts of this government was to take the ?179

:52:49.:52:53.

renewable heat initiative, which the leader of the Labour Party wanted to

:52:54.:52:56.

put on every single persons bill in the country, we took that off the

:52:57.:53:08.

bill. We'll be Prime Minister join me in congratulating the workforce

:53:09.:53:12.

at Toyota in my constituency, as well as manufacturers across the

:53:13.:53:17.

country, whose hard work has ensured that car production went up by 10%

:53:18.:53:22.

in the last year? I certainly join my honourable friend and I remember

:53:23.:53:27.

my own visit to Derby. They do not want to hear good news about

:53:28.:53:31.

manufacturing! They do not want to hear good news about the car

:53:32.:53:36.

industry! This country is now a net exporter of cars and we should be

:53:37.:53:39.

congratulating the workforce at Toyota. We should be congratulating

:53:40.:53:44.

the workforce at Land Rover and praising what they are doing at

:53:45.:53:49.

Nissan. These companies are leading the real industrialisation of our

:53:50.:53:53.

country. I was at the works on Monday were the many is leading to

:53:54.:54:04.

more jobs and British at -- the Mini is leading to more jobs and

:54:05.:54:10.

productivity. Launching a report on electoral conduct yesterday, there

:54:11.:54:14.

was shocking examples of racism and discrimination during election

:54:15.:54:17.

campaigns. We'll be Prime Minister back our call to get political

:54:18.:54:23.

parties, the Electoral Commission and the equality and human rights

:54:24.:54:27.

commission to work more proactively now in areas of tension so that the

:54:28.:54:32.

next election can be a battle of ideas and not race hate. I welcome

:54:33.:54:42.

the report of the enquiry into electoral conduct. I will study the

:54:43.:54:46.

report closely. If there is anything we can do on a cross-party basis to

:54:47.:54:50.

keep this racism out of politics, then we should do so. Fax to the

:54:51.:54:58.

regional growth fund, ?8.8 million is being spent reopening the real

:54:59.:55:04.

link, cutting travel times between Burnley and Manchester in half. But

:55:05.:55:09.

better real regulations are also vital for the South of England. Does

:55:10.:55:12.

the Prime Minister agree with me that it is outrageous for the party

:55:13.:55:16.

opposite to be challenging HS2 at the current time, putting jobs in

:55:17.:55:26.

jeopardy? My honourable friend is right to stand up for his

:55:27.:55:29.

constituents and the North of England. Cos there is a real danger

:55:30.:55:33.

with Labour that they are letting down the North of England, letting

:55:34.:55:37.

down the Midlands. Let me remind the Shadow Chancellor of what he said

:55:38.:55:39.

about these transport investments. He said this. Nowhere is consensus

:55:40.:55:45.

more essential than on our national infrastructure. He said this, "

:55:46.:55:50.

Successive governments have docked or delayed vital decisions on

:55:51.:55:53.

infrastructure, allowing short-term politics to get in the way". That is

:55:54.:55:59.

what he said his own words. He is found guilty of short termism and

:56:00.:56:02.

petty politicking. Rather than looking at the national interests. I

:56:03.:56:16.

sensed that the Prime Minister... The Prime Minister is prepared to

:56:17.:56:19.

gamble, along with the Justice Minister, on the proposals for the

:56:20.:56:23.

probation service, especially in light of the tests and trials being

:56:24.:56:29.

called to a halt. Is he prepared to gamble, especially with the lives

:56:30.:56:34.

and safety of my constituents, and other people in this country? And

:56:35.:56:41.

will his gambling wok holdout? What we want is a service that is much

:56:42.:56:47.

more is focused on stopping reoffending and getting results. And

:56:48.:56:52.

also making sure that we give people rehabilitation from the moment they

:56:53.:56:56.

leave prison. That does not happen today but it is interesting. Body

:56:57.:56:59.

six minutes past 12 and not one question from Labour on the economy.

:57:00.:57:06.

The have got nothing to say. They have nothing to offer and they are

:57:07.:57:09.

embarrassed that prediction after prediction was completely wrong.

:57:10.:57:15.

Like my right honourable friend, I agree... Order! A question from the

:57:16.:57:22.

honourable member must, and it will, be heard. Like my honourable friend,

:57:23.:57:29.

I welcome the fall in unemployment. Indeed, down to 3.7% in my

:57:30.:57:36.

constituency. But will he recognise with me that one of the biggest

:57:37.:57:39.

problems is young people with special needs, particularly autism,

:57:40.:57:45.

getting into work. And will he congratulate the London Borough of

:57:46.:57:47.

Redbridge and the interface parents group, where eight project has

:57:48.:57:54.

started with the first young people with special needs in work? I

:57:55.:58:01.

certainly pay tribute to Redbridge and to all those who help children

:58:02.:58:11.

with special needs. We are trying to focus on those who need the help

:58:12.:58:15.

most. Have a question on the economy for the Prime Minister. -- I have.

:58:16.:58:22.

How about this? Does the Prime Minister agree with his own advisers

:58:23.:58:27.

that the government's youth contract is bailing to tackle the appallingly

:58:28.:58:36.

high levels of youth unemployment? -- failing to tackle. What we have

:58:37.:58:40.

seen with the youth contract is thousands of young people to work

:58:41.:58:44.

through our work experience scheme. It has been more successful in the

:58:45.:58:47.

future jobs fund but has cost six times as little through the youth

:58:48.:58:53.

contract. We have also seen 20,000 young people get work opportunities.

:58:54.:58:56.

That is why the youth claimant count is coming down so rapidly. There is

:58:57.:59:00.

far more to do to get young people into work at the fact that we have

:59:01.:59:04.

backed over 1.5 million apprenticeships is a sign of how

:59:05.:59:07.

much we care about getting young people back to work. Does the Prime

:59:08.:59:14.

Minister agree with President Obama that there needs to be additional

:59:15.:59:17.

constraints on how we use intelligence, that we need to more

:59:18.:59:21.

effectively weigh the risks and rewards of our activities? Will he

:59:22.:59:25.

follow the Prime Minister -- President's leads? I have said this

:59:26.:59:30.

in the House before and I'll repeat it again. We will always listen to

:59:31.:59:33.

what other countries have to say but I believe that in Britain we have a

:59:34.:59:38.

good way of having intelligence and security services overseen by a

:59:39.:59:42.

Parliamentary committee, having their work examined by intelligence

:59:43.:59:45.

commissioners and ensuring that the act under a proper legal basis. I'd

:59:46.:59:49.

take those responsibilities very seriously believe we have a good

:59:50.:59:53.

system in this country and we can be proud of the people that work in it

:59:54.:00:02.

and oversee it. We have recently learned that energy security in this

:00:03.:00:05.

country has been outsourced to the Chinese and French, that pensions

:00:06.:00:09.

will be frozen this year and we have no control over the big six. Does

:00:10.:00:13.

the Prime Minister had any regrets about the cack-handed privatisation

:00:14.:00:18.

of the utilities by the former Tory government and the decimation of our

:00:19.:00:21.

call industry? He backed a firm that never built a

:00:22.:00:48.

single power station. I think we should welcome foreign investment to

:00:49.:00:51.

build these important utilities so we can use our power to run

:00:52.:01:01.

hospitals and the things we need. There are in my constituency soon to

:01:02.:01:05.

be 100 wind turbines. These turbines are paid for by my constituents, but

:01:06.:01:11.

they are not constricted or creating jobs in my constituency. Tension he

:01:12.:01:20.

ensure that the changes in green subsidy that I can he ensure that

:01:21.:01:25.

the changes in green subsidy are here in the United Kingdom. We will

:01:26.:01:40.

aim to retard that investment. Will the Prime Minister join me in paying

:01:41.:01:43.

tribute to the positive role played by trade unions in the work of the

:01:44.:01:52.

automotive Council which has brought about a change in the UK car

:01:53.:01:57.

industry. I think it has been very successful and where trade unions

:01:58.:02:00.

play a positive role, I will be the first prize. But where, frankly, we

:02:01.:02:06.

have a real problem with a rogue trade unionist at Grangemouth who

:02:07.:02:10.

nearly brought the Scottish petrochemical industry to its knees,

:02:11.:02:14.

we need to have a proper enquiry. A Labour enquirer. If they had any

:02:15.:02:21.

courage, any vision, any decision-making they would need to

:02:22.:02:24.

recognise they have to have an enquiry to get to the bottom of what

:02:25.:02:30.

happened. Well, and prime ministers questions,

:02:31.:02:33.

they were still shouting at the end the Prime Minister firing on all

:02:34.:02:41.

cylinders -- at PMQs. The usual confrontation across the dispatch

:02:42.:02:46.

box was dominated by energy prices, which will probably not go away as

:02:47.:02:50.

the winter weather comes in and other energy prices announced what

:02:51.:02:53.

their prices are. You can tell the level of debate that was reached

:02:54.:02:56.

when the primaries the called Ed Miliband a one trick pony who has

:02:57.:03:01.

run out of road -- when the Prime Minister called Ed Miliband. I am

:03:02.:03:05.

not sure ponies use the road. He described the Prime Minister is a PR

:03:06.:03:10.

man for the energy companies. Mister Cameron was once a PR man, but not

:03:11.:03:14.

for the energy companies, it was another monopoly he was a PR man

:03:15.:03:21.

for, called ITV at the time. That is a cheeky aside.

:03:22.:03:27.

Let a return to energy. The emails are about that issue, although some

:03:28.:03:32.

people are getting fed up with the subject being dominated by energy.

:03:33.:03:36.

Ian Franken says that if all the Prime Minister has got personal

:03:37.:03:42.

attacks on Ed Miliband, he has lost the argument. This one says that

:03:43.:03:45.

Cameron is hard to listen to and he has no answer to the energy

:03:46.:03:49.

companies and is part of the problem.

:03:50.:03:52.

Colin in Rugby says that Ed Miliband sees to change the record and his

:03:53.:03:55.

continued questions and sound bites about energy prices show a distinct

:03:56.:03:58.

lack of awareness about everything else on the political agenda. Ray

:03:59.:04:03.

Jones from Ashford says that Labour is clearly a one trick pony. All

:04:04.:04:08.

predictions of doom and gloom have failed so their only card to play is

:04:09.:04:11.

energy, and they have even got that wrong, as they have no answer as to

:04:12.:04:17.

what happens in a rising market. Now, the interesting thing, James,

:04:18.:04:24.

was that all of the discussion was about the energy price freeze,

:04:25.:04:30.

proposed by Ed Miliband. We know, putting aside the economic summit it

:04:31.:04:37.

is a politically popular move. -- putting aside the economics of it.

:04:38.:04:41.

There was no viable alternative from the Prime Minister, even though a

:04:42.:04:46.

week ago he said he would float the idea of reducing the green levies

:04:47.:04:49.

and cut bills. So although the Prime Minister did better than last week,

:04:50.:04:55.

the argument was still on Ed Miliband's territory. I think we saw

:04:56.:05:01.

an attempt to move that argument away by the Prime Minister. Ed

:05:02.:05:04.

Miliband back on the same subject but repeatedly, the Prime Minister

:05:05.:05:08.

tried to draw the gym and back to the economy. The Conservatives were

:05:09.:05:13.

better organised than last week -- draw the argument back. They were

:05:14.:05:17.

trying to drag the subject back, to say that Labour, by focusing solely

:05:18.:05:21.

on energy prices, want to talk about it as an exclusion of everything

:05:22.:05:32.

else. But you are right, they will not be able to draw it away from

:05:33.:05:42.

that until they have cancers. The Autumn statement is not another four

:05:43.:05:46.

weeks -- until they have the answers. The Autumn statement is

:05:47.:05:50.

another four weeks, and looking at the green levies and the social

:05:51.:05:53.

policy, but also the actual transportation, the network costs,

:05:54.:05:57.

which is a large part of that, they are talking about looking at that to

:05:58.:06:00.

see if they can do anything to reduce costs. These are the

:06:01.:06:05.

distribution and transmission costs, they are regulated by off game,

:06:06.:06:14.

because it is the National Grid -- Ofgem, whereas they have no power to

:06:15.:06:18.

regulate retail prices, unlike some regulators in France. Ofgem does

:06:19.:06:24.

regulate these prices and there is a bigger chunk of the bill, because

:06:25.:06:27.

they are having to rebuild a transition system to bring in all of

:06:28.:06:32.

the offshore and onshore wind farms, and solar power, which have gone to

:06:33.:06:35.

areas, unlike the new nuclear stations, which are where the grid

:06:36.:06:41.

already exists. I think they are looking across the piece, they know

:06:42.:06:43.

they have to come up with something, but equally, they have to come up

:06:44.:06:47.

with something that is simple and there has to be a figure at the end

:06:48.:06:50.

of the day. However they cook it, there has to be a number at the end

:06:51.:06:56.

that it can be reduced by. The difficulty the Labour is having set

:06:57.:06:59.

the political weather, since the Labour conference and Ed Miliband's

:07:00.:07:03.

speech, is it now gets overtaken by events. The Government has had the

:07:04.:07:07.

time to look at ways not just freezing the bills but actually

:07:08.:07:11.

cutting the bills. The problem for the Government is they seem to make

:07:12.:07:15.

it up as they go along. We feel a very simple policy, which is to

:07:16.:07:19.

freeze energy prices, woodwork, but this week the Prime Minister is

:07:20.:07:26.

talking about green levies and the distribution network. The reality

:07:27.:07:28.

for people, and I don't think they will get bored with this, because as

:07:29.:07:31.

soon as they bills land on their match at home, they look at it

:07:32.:07:37.

gassed, -- soon as their bills land on their match at home, they look at

:07:38.:07:43.

it gassed. As winter approaches, soon as we get a cold weather snap,

:07:44.:07:49.

nobody once... A lot of people will die, that is a reality. That is what

:07:50.:07:54.

we are saying. We want the Government to act now, that is what

:07:55.:07:58.

we are saying. The Government can act now, you are in Government, you

:07:59.:08:03.

are the party in power. Do something about it. Is an energy person in the

:08:04.:08:07.

past, the promise of a freeze is a straightforward political life. --

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is an energy person. Because of global prices rising, you cannot

:08:15.:08:19.

deliver that freeze without very expensive subsidies and he's

:08:20.:08:22.

refusing to commit to that. The real issue is whether, in the face of

:08:23.:08:28.

expensive global energy, we have a market which is a fare structure,

:08:29.:08:32.

delivering a competitive environment where people can choose and where

:08:33.:08:38.

companies can give the most efficient prices. There, I think, is

:08:39.:08:43.

a perfectly fair argument, saying let's get an independent group like

:08:44.:08:49.

Ofgem to say here is how it works, here are the facts. Are they saying

:08:50.:08:55.

there is a cartel in this report? No. What we are seeing is that in

:08:56.:08:59.

the course of the last two years, seven new companies have come into

:09:00.:09:03.

the utility supply. We want more companies so it is not dominated by

:09:04.:09:07.

the big six. This is an issue the both of you and the whole political

:09:08.:09:12.

class in Westminster, and it is this, at the moment green levies and

:09:13.:09:15.

those associated with green levies are adding around 10% to add bills,

:09:16.:09:23.

around ?112, you both voted for. You can reject those... Let me finish my

:09:24.:09:32.

point. You have also put into the pipeline, both you and the climate

:09:33.:09:36.

change act and you win the coalition came to power, increases in these

:09:37.:09:39.

levies including the carbon floor tax, which will increase these

:09:40.:09:43.

levies so that they become 30% of our bill by 2020, and well at 40% to

:09:44.:09:51.

the price of electricity -- will add 40%. So it is a strange thing when

:09:52.:09:55.

you are lecturing the energy companies to do something about

:09:56.:09:58.

prices went between you, you have consciously added to the nation's

:09:59.:10:05.

energy bills. That is partly true. As you say, both parties, us, when

:10:06.:10:09.

in Government, and the coalition Government, have introduced green

:10:10.:10:13.

levies, which we have all supported and why? Because there are social

:10:14.:10:17.

policy objectives alongside it. See God but you are adding 40% to the

:10:18.:10:24.

bills. -- you are adding 40% of the bills. In the long run, it will

:10:25.:10:31.

reduce bills and it has contributions towards some of the

:10:32.:10:35.

fuel poor. Are we going to abandon that? People wouldn't be fuel poor

:10:36.:10:39.

if they didn't have to pay these extra levies. And the argument that

:10:40.:10:47.

both parties use, that fewer bills are actually going to be less in

:10:48.:10:56.

2020, involves that a Government department has heroic consumptions.

:10:57.:11:01.

Per unit of retail electricity, the price rises by 40%. Things in the

:11:02.:11:05.

pipeline, the two parties have agreed to. You have a fair point in

:11:06.:11:11.

some aspects, which is, perhaps over the last 15 years, we have put more

:11:12.:11:16.

and more obligations onto the utility companies, be it for

:11:17.:11:19.

addressing a fuel of a teak, rue flagging, -- fuel poverty, roof

:11:20.:11:29.

lagging, and now we say, we hate you, you are expensive. So we have

:11:30.:11:33.

forced on them one economic model and blamed them for the

:11:34.:11:36.

consequences. David Cameron is saying we are going to look at that

:11:37.:11:39.

again, in terms of green levies and is it right that by putting the

:11:40.:11:43.

burden on them, it is the consumer who pays? One of the things the

:11:44.:11:49.

Government did do was abolish the warm front scheme, a subsidy for the

:11:50.:11:56.

fuel poor paid out of taxation. It was transferred to the bill payer. A

:11:57.:12:01.

final thought, James? The Government had to come up with something fairly

:12:02.:12:07.

soon. We know they are working hard. The question is whether or not they

:12:08.:12:11.

ultimately produce enough to match Labour's policy in a retail, simple,

:12:12.:12:20.

straightforward on the door sends, around all of the incredibly

:12:21.:12:29.

complicated organs. And there will be a Daily Politics special on

:12:30.:12:33.

December the 4th about the Autumn statement. Something to look forward

:12:34.:12:38.

to. Now, yesterday, we spoke to prominent British Muslim Mo Ansar.

:12:39.:12:41.

His meeting with the former leader of the English Defence League leader

:12:42.:12:45.

Tommy Robinson was the subject of the BBC documentary. They have

:12:46.:12:52.

campaigned against what they see as the Islamic occasion of Britain.

:12:53.:12:57.

Tommy Robinson is explaining his view of the Koran. You can take

:12:58.:13:03.

sexual slaves. You can take outside of marriage... Tell me that path. I

:13:04.:13:10.

don't think you can find it. It is nice to see you reading it, but it

:13:11.:13:15.

is not making a difference, because you distorted. Marry those that

:13:16.:13:21.

please you of other women, two, three or four. If you fear that that

:13:22.:13:25.

not be just, take what your right arm possesses, like slaves. Where

:13:26.:13:31.

does it say sexual slaves? Where does it say it? Don't distorted?

:13:32.:13:37.

Yesterday, when I spoke to Mo Ansar, he had this to say. I did

:13:38.:13:42.

have an impression of Tommy. I had painted him as some kind of figure

:13:43.:13:50.

like Goebbels, the 21st century. And he wasn't like that? Spending time

:13:51.:13:55.

with someone always humanises them and there is a soft side to Tommy,

:13:56.:13:58.

although his rhetoric has been disturbing and the impact he has had

:13:59.:14:02.

on Muslim communities across the country has been disturbing. Like

:14:03.:14:06.

many people, Tommy is a complex character. Mo Ansar talking about a

:14:07.:14:12.

Tommy Robinson, who is in the studio now. He described you as a complex

:14:13.:14:16.

character. How would you describe him, having spent time with him? I

:14:17.:14:23.

liked him, personality wise. What I found was that he was in denial.

:14:24.:14:27.

Even at the end of watching his interview yesterday, when they

:14:28.:14:30.

brought a grooming, he was trying to push the problem away and when

:14:31.:14:33.

Muslim leaders are given platforms, he spends 95% of his time talking

:14:34.:14:38.

about Islam phobia and all of these different things from people who

:14:39.:14:43.

criticise the ideology. If he spent that time tackling the problems

:14:44.:14:46.

within the community, we might be getting somewhere. But Mo was to be

:14:47.:14:51.

seen as a defender of Muslims and Islam, rather than accepting that we

:14:52.:14:56.

have these problems. He has this image of me, that is the image that

:14:57.:15:01.

everybody has been given of all these ordinary people. Why did you

:15:02.:15:06.

leave the English Defence League? I felt it was the way forward. For

:15:07.:15:10.

years, I had been making a noise and trying to get issues that

:15:11.:15:13.

working-class people were feeling in their communities and then I did not

:15:14.:15:18.

want to... I wanted to be part of the solution. You think the EDL is

:15:19.:15:22.

not working. Are you ashamed that you were part of it? I am not, I am

:15:23.:15:28.

a proud that I started it and it has given people a platform but we need

:15:29.:15:31.

to solve the problems, rather than just making noise about it. Moving

:15:32.:15:36.

forward is working with reformists and true moderates within the

:15:37.:15:39.

Islamic community who are willing to accept the problems. Have you

:15:40.:15:43.

actually changed your views? The documentary was all about you going

:15:44.:15:48.

on a journey of supposedly enlightenment that culminates in

:15:49.:15:52.

your decision to quit the EDL Mobutu tweeted just before the programme

:15:53.:15:59.

that your views haven't changed. I was 20 61 started this movement. I'm

:16:00.:16:03.

on a journey at the present. -- when I started. A lot of my views have

:16:04.:16:11.

been distorted. What is your goal now? Initially, you wanted Muslims

:16:12.:16:15.

out of Britain. You have accepted that that cannot happen. That has

:16:16.:16:22.

never been my goal. Never. My goal now, there is a massive gap.

:16:23.:16:26.

Working-class communities have been pushed to the side and people do not

:16:27.:16:29.

feel part of the fabric of the society. That is not the fault of

:16:30.:16:34.

the Muslim community? There is a reason why working-class children

:16:35.:16:37.

are now the biggest underachievers in this country. There is a reason.

:16:38.:16:41.

People do not feel they have the opportunities. A lot of the

:16:42.:16:44.

opportunity for people to turn to the far right is coming from

:16:45.:16:49.

resentment that they are seeing. My goal is to give a healthy platform

:16:50.:16:53.

for debate, rather than being on the streets, to bring these issues to

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the forefront. They need to be debated and people need to see that

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they are getting somewhere with them. Do you still regard Islam as a

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religion of violence and fascism? I think it is untrue that it is a

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religion of peace. It is not factual. You believe it has a

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belligerent of violence? It is down to the interpretations of that

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Scripture. When I met Osama Hassan from Quilliam, he was a very

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religious man. He is not calling for violence but we cannot say that

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people who wish to interpret it for violence can do that. I do not

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understand what you're trying to achieve. You to stop the

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Islamification of Britain, as you see it? I saw a poll that said that

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up to 40% of people believe that this will end in an inevitable

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violent conflict between Muslims and non-Muslims. That is terrifying.

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People will start preparing for that. I do not want the communities

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we live in to be the communities affected by this conflict. But you

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believe that it is a religion of violence? Do you want to ban the

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building of mosques? We must regulate mosques. We should not have

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Iran and Saudi Arabia and Qatar dictating which form of Islam,

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extremist sects, to move forward. We need a platform. Mo Ansar is the

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wrong person to be pushing forward because he does not accept the

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fault. You have to ask a question about an Islamic state, governed by

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sharia law, do you believe that you should chop off hands? When he was

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pushed, he could not get out of it. In that clip, you are distorting the

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fact to fit your narrative. You distorted the facts on a part of the

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Koran, on keeping women as sexual slaves, and that is how you have

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interpreted it to link it to the cases of Pakistani men grooming

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white girls. Do you stand by that? In the Koran, it says 14 times that

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they can take non-Muslim women as slaves. We have to explore the

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reasons for why 90% of these grills are men and Muslim men called

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Mohammed. Maybe the men that are justifying their crimes, in large

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groups of brothers and cousins and friends from work, that is not

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normal paedophilia. That is a problem. We have to look into this

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root cause. Do you speak to anyone in the English Defence League? I

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have buried my head in the sand because this is a community. It is

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where I'll live and it is the people I see on a daily basis. I have upset

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a lot of people but and people who understand the causes, the cause is

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not to have conflict. Do you still speak to people from the EDL? I have

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not for two weeks but will I, yet? --. I think the only way to solve

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the problem is to show people from the English Defence League that this

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is the way. I believe that they should work and listen and reform

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and meet my breasts. Do you want to see -- mate more -- meet my breasts.

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Are you aware that you are more likely to die in hospital at the

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weekend than during the week? The government wants to change this and

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provide full-time care seven days a week. It would have thought that,

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and NHS with seven day a week care? But can we afford it and can the NHS

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treat people all the time? Thomas Hughes Hallett, the chair of the

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Institute of Global Health Innovation, thinks that some

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services need to be provided by charities. This is his soapbox.

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Most of us look after our cars. We have a contract with society to keep

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them healthy, while they are on the road. And so we get MOT is and

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servicing. -- MOTs. If only we treated our bodies so well, we could

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keep them off the scrapheap or avoid unnecessary trips to A We need to

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take more responsibility for our health and the health of our

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families, to keep the health service ticking over for everyone. As a

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society, we have to understand that if we expect the NHS to cope under

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the ever increasing wave of demand, it will soon break down. To stop

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this happening, we need to make some tough choices now about what we

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really need for free from the health service. And the rest, well, we

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should accept that we need to pay for it, like extras on a car. And we

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need to provide more for each other in our own communities. For example,

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the voluntary sector provides services like bereavement

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counselling or play therapy we need to see more examples of this instead

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of murdering -- burdening the service. In my study, what stood out

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is that people want to take back control of their own care. What they

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need is Saturn have or trip advisors to point them to what is

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most successful. Chemists, the community support centres, to steer

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them away from the NHS when they do not need it and sometimes do not

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want it. That way we can keep the health service on the road for

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ourselves and future generations. And Thomas Hughes Hallett joins us

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now. Welcome to the show. You mentioned bereavement counselling

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and play therapy come examples of services that the voluntary sector

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could bring in. Where would you draw the line? The evidence that I'd took

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in Essex demonstrated that the people of Essex recognised fully

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that what they want from the state is support and emergency care. And

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they are realists. They know that in 2030, instead of 35,000 people being

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dependent on social care, 135,000 people are going to be dependent,

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and the state cannot possibly afford to provide that. For the sake of

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this argument, let's accent that that is true. Where would you draw

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the line? -- lets accept. Should gastric band surgery be on the NHS?

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Yes, if there is a clinical needs. Acupuncture? Acupuncture, I am a big

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fan of acupuncture and my wife uses it a lot for her back. But the

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reality is that there are lots of people out there who would be

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prepared to offer voluntarily, care that is not necessarily clinical in

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vitro visual sense. As Chief Executive of Mary Creagh, I had

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100,000 volunteers who supported us every year, from physiotherapists to

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surgeons. Berwick in Spain is? If there is a physical reason, yes. --

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Marie Curie. -- varicose veins. Fertility treatment? This is what

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makes your thesis or difficult because where do you draw the line?

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People might accept in theory, the argument. That the NHS should get

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back to basics. But if we go down that road, the question I am asking

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is the question that will need to be answered. They will. And difficult

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questions are going to have to be answered. But what I have to be

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answered. But what I've learned from talking to hundreds and hundreds of

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people over the last 12 months is that the public is up for it. It is

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the politicians who are shying away. Alan, where are you on this? It is

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free of the point of need and that will not change. But demand exceeds

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supply other has to be a process for determining what is needed. At the

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moment, everything is done on the NHS? Not absolutely everything. As

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Tom says... But you expect it. Lots of people are going to Osteopaths

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and paying themselves. But for the mainstream medical needs of any

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person, the health service... But he is not arguing about that. You were

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saying for four -- you are saying that for that to continue, some of

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this other stuff will be have to moved off balance sheet. I was asked

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by the government to do a review of the services that the government

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should provide for end of life care and published that report years

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ago, which made it absolutely clear what the government would provide,

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what the voluntary sector would have to step forwards to provide, and

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what people would have to provide for themselves. That was accepted. I

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have to say, this is the thin end of the wedge. They will have real

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problems if you are going to start charging because certain things will

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be charged and the fundamental principle of the NHS is that it is

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free at the point of use. If you start charging, you will have a

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2-tier NHS and the purist will be excluded from some treatments will

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stop that is not what I was saying. But that is the consequence of what

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you are proposing. No one is mentioning charging. That is the

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consequence. I've spent several days in Canvey Island, working with

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people who are coming together to provide community support networks

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to support the professionals to deliver better care to the ageing

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population. But would that be enough people out there to do that?

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Absolutely. People want the state to be honest with them. They want state

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to tell them precisely what they will offer free at the point of

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delivery. So some of these things will be charged for? They could be

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and people, many of them are happy to pay. High Court, if I could gets

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to see a doctor at 6pm at night, when I cannot currently, I might be

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paired to pay for it. What is happening is that 40% of the people

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by interview in Essex now no longer go to the state as their first point

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of contact for health care. 25% of pharmacists, 15% Google. The

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chemists provided for free, for free! The Tories support this? Will

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leave this question hanging. I have already entered it. Here is a big

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political question. Is it? Wait for it. Who is the net one and who is

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the plural one? Our reward for the best guest of the day goes to that

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woolly wonder, Alan Duncan. Here is taking up the Daily Politics crush a

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challenge. We were filming you during PMQs. You are looking at him

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in action. The speed of the man. His fingers a pillar. And what was the

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finished product? -- blur. It took me half an hour, and it is a bit

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scrappy but I have done rather well. More Tory deception! The honest

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truth... We need to give you the answer to GUESSED THE YEAR. Alan,

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press it. Mike, in Romford. It is a good time for Essex. That said. The

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one o'clock News is starting on BBC One. I will be on my own tomorrow

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doing the Daily Politics. Yeah, me. She is going to crochet. Bye-bye.

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Andrew Neil and Jo Coburn are joined by MPs Alan Duncan and Vernon Coaker to discuss all the latest political news. The programme includes live coverage of Prime Minister's Question and an interview with former English Defence League leader Tommy Robinson.

The Guess the Year competition closes at 12.30pm during the live broadcast of this programme.


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