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tell us why he disagrees. Police officers accused of misleading MPs | :00:34. | :01:01. | |
over Plebgate will be hauled before Parliament and told to apologise or | :01:02. | :01:04. | |
risk jail. We'll speak to the Committee chairman. Ed Miliband says | :01:05. | :01:09. | |
he would offer firms a 12-month tax break if they agree to pay the | :01:10. | :01:13. | |
so-called "living wage" - so would that cut benefits? Or cut jobs? And | :01:14. | :01:24. | |
which country has the most sexist Parliament? | :01:25. | :01:33. | |
All of that in the next hour. And with us today is Axelle Lemaire - | :01:34. | :01:40. | |
she's the French MP for our very own constituency here in...Northern | :01:41. | :01:41. | |
Europe. constituency here in...Northern | :01:42. | :02:09. | |
saying they approved of him. Why is he is so unpopular? I wish I knew | :02:10. | :02:14. | |
the answer W would tell him! I would, of course. The left in power | :02:15. | :02:20. | |
has implement it reforms which had not been done in the past, and maybe | :02:21. | :02:25. | |
that only ask could do without having the country demonstrating in | :02:26. | :02:28. | |
the streets. We are reducing the public ever sit, we are changing | :02:29. | :02:33. | |
schools, we are reforming the labour market, bringing more flexibility, | :02:34. | :02:37. | |
we are reforming the pensions system, which is terrific tricky and | :02:38. | :02:45. | |
difficult. But people do not see the results, what they see is their | :02:46. | :02:51. | |
taxes going up and a president who has great capacities to compromise, | :02:52. | :02:52. | |
but when it has great capacities to compromise, | :02:53. | :03:12. | |
second day of his term, wasn't he, his popularity just died. Is it | :03:13. | :03:18. | |
because of his programme of tax rises? Farmers have protested, and | :03:19. | :03:25. | |
truck drivers, over the eco-Mac tax, for example, and they want to see | :03:26. | :03:29. | |
more of a balance, with public expenditure getting cut. You have | :03:30. | :03:33. | |
got the wrong programme? Well, we are discussing the finance bill at | :03:34. | :03:37. | |
the moment. When you look at the budget for 2014, 80% of the budget, | :03:38. | :03:46. | |
of the savings, will be in cuts in public expenses, it is only 20% | :03:47. | :03:52. | |
coming from tax rises. So, the public perception is clearly wrong. | :03:53. | :03:56. | |
Also, people do not make the differentiation between local taxes | :03:57. | :04:01. | |
and national taxes. So, last year, it was the opposite, it was two | :04:02. | :04:21. | |
and national taxes. So, last year, have had to scrap higher levies on | :04:22. | :04:23. | |
individual savings because of protests, a potential strike in top | :04:24. | :04:29. | |
football clubs protesting at the 75% tax levy on incomes of more than 1 | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
million euros, these are big Rob 's. But I think it is in the | :04:34. | :04:38. | |
Financial Times today, describing this as a U-turn, but we are in the | :04:39. | :04:42. | |
process of discussion over the budget. To me, as an MP, I see it as | :04:43. | :04:48. | |
Parliamentary democracy. -- these are big problems. We are just saying | :04:49. | :04:54. | |
what we think should be improved, so it is a discussion. But in the end, | :04:55. | :04:58. | |
in a couple of weeks time, the budget will be voted on. What about | :04:59. | :05:03. | |
this idea of consensus as you said yourself that he is not going for | :05:04. | :05:06. | |
the headlines, but he is described as a man of indecision, U-turns are | :05:07. | :05:12. | |
mentioned, that he cannot make a decision without speaking to | :05:13. | :05:13. | |
everybody decision without speaking to | :05:14. | :05:34. | |
market, it was not an easy task. But he spoke with all the unions, all of | :05:35. | :05:39. | |
them, and they came up with a solution, which was the first time | :05:40. | :05:43. | |
in 30 years that an agreement could be breached. But then people do not | :05:44. | :05:49. | |
necessarily see that. But I assume that in the long-term, the results | :05:50. | :05:53. | |
will be positive. I am sure you will hope so, before the next election, | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
of course. Looking at elections, what about the threat from the | :05:59. | :06:01. | |
right, from the national front, who seem to be gaining in support in | :06:02. | :06:05. | |
some of the national by-elections, that is as a result of Francois | :06:06. | :06:13. | |
Hollande's policies, isn't it? This is a phenomenon that we see across | :06:14. | :06:17. | |
Europe, I am afraid, the rise of populist parties, of extremism. But | :06:18. | :06:23. | |
it is particularly true in France, and especially at the | :06:24. | :06:42. | |
it is particularly true in France, people are racist. We think | :06:43. | :06:44. | |
immigration is positive for the country, when it is well controlled. | :06:45. | :06:48. | |
The other thing is to have an economic and social agenda, and | :06:49. | :06:52. | |
prove that we can help raise living standards, help put growth back into | :06:53. | :07:04. | |
the economy. We are out of recession for the last two months, I think, | :07:05. | :07:11. | |
and the rise in unemployment is decreasing, at least. So, we aren't | :07:12. | :07:15. | |
starting to see the first positive results of what we are trying to do. | :07:16. | :07:19. | |
And you think that might turn it around? What about his relationship | :07:20. | :07:30. | |
with Angela Merkel? It is, as the Financial Times says, a bit of a | :07:31. | :07:32. | |
one-woman show, isn't it? Financial Times says, a bit of a | :07:33. | :07:53. | |
is a very well-balanced relationship, with all of the | :07:54. | :07:56. | |
different ministers. For example, the economy minister, he is on the | :07:57. | :08:00. | |
phone every single day with his German counterpart, and we work | :08:01. | :08:04. | |
together very well. So I think between what we read in the press | :08:05. | :08:08. | |
and the reality of the negotiations, there is quite a difference. | :08:09. | :08:15. | |
You will not have forgotten, if you are a regular viewer of the | :08:16. | :08:18. | |
programme, that Britain could be on the way to a referendum on our EU | :08:19. | :08:22. | |
membership after the next election. Whether the relationship is good or | :08:23. | :08:25. | |
bad for Britain is an issue that divides politicians, the public and | :08:26. | :08:28. | |
businesses. Well today, the largest business group, the CBI, is holding | :08:29. | :08:31. | |
its annual conference and it has decided that the country is better | :08:32. | :08:35. | |
off inside the EU than out. The group says that the net benefit of | :08:36. | :08:38. | |
EU membership to the UK could be more than ?62 billion, that's ?3,000 | :08:39. | :08:42. | |
a year to every household, because membership has opened up trade with | :08:43. | :08:43. | |
the EU and But industry isn't exactly full of | :08:44. | :09:09. | |
starry-eyed Europhiles, and the CBI also says that if we do stay in then | :09:10. | :09:15. | |
"reforms are urgently needed". This assessment has already been | :09:16. | :09:17. | |
challenged, with UKIP leader Nigel Farage saying... | :09:18. | :09:26. | |
Well, joining us now from the CBI conference in London is Michael | :09:27. | :09:31. | |
Rake, the president of the CBI and chairman of BT. Welcome to the | :09:32. | :09:41. | |
programme. You were sharing a platform with the Prime Minister | :09:42. | :09:46. | |
earlier. Is the CBI's view on Belgrade ship the same as David | :09:47. | :09:52. | |
Cameron's? Based on a huge project we have carried out over the last | :09:53. | :10:12. | |
Cameron's? Based on a huge project engaged. Have you accurately being | :10:13. | :10:15. | |
able to gauge the level of euro scepticism amongst your members? | :10:16. | :10:28. | |
Well, no, in the business community, it is very clear, we want to remain | :10:29. | :10:34. | |
in the European Union. We have to be competitive. It is a hugely | :10:35. | :10:38. | |
important trade area with many bilateral agreements, including some | :10:39. | :10:42. | |
extremely important ones coming up. We understand the frustrations of | :10:43. | :10:46. | |
businesses small and large about unnecessary regulation, whether it | :10:47. | :10:49. | |
comes from Brussels or London. Whilst we need regulation, it needs | :10:50. | :10:54. | |
to be effective and it does not need to be burdensome, particularly when | :10:55. | :10:57. | |
we have the beginnings of a recovery, and we have to make sure | :10:58. | :10:58. | |
this recovery is sustainable. recovery, and we have to make sure | :10:59. | :11:23. | |
should be a referendum is a we in the CBI are very clear... Is it not | :11:24. | :11:27. | |
a question for business as well? If you are saying it is critical, and | :11:28. | :11:32. | |
John Cridland said there is no credible alternative to being in the | :11:33. | :11:36. | |
EU, so surely business has got to make a play in political terms to | :11:37. | :11:42. | |
stay in the EU? I am sorry, I can hardly hear you, but I think you | :11:43. | :11:47. | |
were asking about alternatives. In the work we did, we have looked at | :11:48. | :11:51. | |
alternatives, and we think the regional example, the Swiss | :11:52. | :11:55. | |
example, would not work, we would be to remove, we would have to bear the | :11:56. | :11:59. | |
costs of compliance without any influence. We do not think that is | :12:00. | :12:03. | |
the way to go, when we are trying to come out of this very long downturn. | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
We want to create conditions for investment and trade in the European | :12:09. | :12:14. | |
Union and across the world. Whether it | :12:15. | :12:31. | |
Union and across the world. Whether business must simply state what the | :12:32. | :12:38. | |
obligations might be. Michael Rake, thank you very much. Sorry you could | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
not hear us but we could hear you loud and clear, which is always a | :12:44. | :12:46. | |
bonus. We're joined now by the UKIP leader Nigel Farage - and Axelle | :12:47. | :12:52. | |
Lemaire is still with us. Well, that is a bit of a blow, isn't it, | :12:53. | :12:57. | |
because not only does he say the majority of his members, businesses, | :12:58. | :13:00. | |
backed the idea of staying in the EU, but that it is absolutely | :13:01. | :13:05. | |
critical, and it would be a huge mistake to leave? Let's remember, | :13:06. | :13:10. | |
the CBI is big business, it is corporatism, it is effectively an | :13:11. | :13:14. | |
arm of government. Most of the firms in the CBI love the EU. It is | :13:15. | :13:19. | |
fantastic for them. They go to the commission, they help the commission | :13:20. | :13:23. | |
draft rules, and those rules stop small competitors | :13:24. | :13:41. | |
draft rules, and those rules stop to throw a few small businesses in, | :13:42. | :13:45. | |
knowing that when another poll was done, more than 1000 firms, with a | :13:46. | :13:50. | |
genuine spread of large, medium and small businesses, half of them | :13:51. | :13:55. | |
said, the costs of the single market outweigh any benefit. This CBI, | :13:56. | :13:59. | |
these were the same people 12 years ago saying we should join the euro. | :14:00. | :14:02. | |
They were wrong about that and they are wrong about this. So you are | :14:03. | :14:06. | |
dismissing the 240,000 businessmen buzz of the CBI, then, does their | :14:07. | :14:13. | |
voice not matter? Again, what is interesting is that even within the | :14:14. | :14:16. | |
CBI, the cracks are beginning to show. There is a significant | :14:17. | :14:21. | |
minority of members who Digby Jones, who was the Director-General | :14:22. | :14:25. | |
a few years ago, has now come to the view that reform is impossible | :14:26. | :14:29. | |
within this European Union, and the sooner we have a referendum on it, | :14:30. | :14:33. | |
the better. Is it not true, Axelle Lemaire, | :14:34. | :14:52. | |
the better. Is it not true, Axelle to pay for membership? They bring it | :14:53. | :14:56. | |
is stronger with Britain in. It is this old debate sounds surreal to | :14:57. | :15:00. | |
me. If I wanted to be cynical, I would say please, leave this, we | :15:01. | :15:04. | |
will help the French business, because you run with of our main | :15:05. | :15:08. | |
competitor, if you are out you are out of the picture. We are your | :15:09. | :15:14. | |
biggest export market. The British market is absolutely crucial for | :15:15. | :15:17. | |
France, and for Germany, we are the biggest export market in the world | :15:18. | :15:20. | |
for those two countries and we will go on, doing business, regardless | :15:21. | :15:24. | |
whether we are in a political union. That an argument for reform which is | :15:25. | :15:28. | |
David Cameron is saying, if as you say we are so important from a trade | :15:29. | :15:32. | |
point of view, that is, that is the leverage for reform. It could be but | :15:33. | :15:37. | |
the only way a negotiation is would work you walk in carrying a big | :15:38. | :15:43. | |
stick and you say give me X, y and Z or we are leaving. The | :15:44. | :16:02. | |
stick and you say give me X, y and Z thedown you nay say they have looked | :16:03. | :16:05. | |
at the trading alternative, they have looked at Norway, Switzerland | :16:06. | :16:09. | |
and the benefits of leaving just aren't that good. We would have no | :16:10. | :16:15. | |
influence and we would have the costs Nay talked about the rest of | :16:16. | :16:19. | |
the world, and the Swiss model. Switzerland has got more trade deals | :16:20. | :16:23. | |
with other parts of the world than we do as members of the European | :16:24. | :16:28. | |
Union. It took nine years for them to renegotiate access to the single | :16:29. | :16:32. | |
market. Nine year sas long time. Switzerland are rich, they have got | :16:33. | :16:37. | |
more trade deals globally and the Swiss have recognised that Europe is | :16:38. | :16:41. | |
not if economic future of the world. We have to be global not just | :16:42. | :16:43. | |
European. What do you say to that? On reform, | :16:44. | :16:50. | |
what I hear here in this country, is that we need to put to tackle the | :16:51. | :16:52. | |
red tape, put down that we need to put to tackle the | :16:53. | :17:13. | |
more developed. What is the problem with e-commerce at the moment, we | :17:14. | :17:20. | |
have 28 different states, applying their own regulations, so Europe is | :17:21. | :17:25. | |
good in the sense it brings agreement. It was used for | :17:26. | :17:28. | |
environmental legislation and the reality is we finished up with | :17:29. | :17:32. | |
thousands of new laws, coming over the course of the last few year, | :17:33. | :17:36. | |
some Governments interpret them rather more fully and wholly than | :17:37. | :17:40. | |
others, but the fact is the source of legislation is Brussels. Do you | :17:41. | :17:46. | |
disagree, and can you, you don't have to, but can you point to the | :17:47. | :17:51. | |
fact that this ?62 billion in net benefit from EU membership, they are | :17:52. | :17:56. | |
confident about that figure. I have never heard such rubbish. You can't | :17:57. | :18:03. | |
say the CBI... They are discredited because they wanted us to join | :18:04. | :18:22. | |
say the CBI... They are discredited can't guarantee there wouldn't be | :18:23. | :18:26. | |
tariffed on 90% of exports If Mr Hollande wants French unemployment | :18:27. | :18:31. | |
to rocket he can consider tariffs. The German car industry is powful | :18:32. | :18:37. | |
within lobbying, they wouldn't allow Angela Merkel to contemplate | :18:38. | :18:40. | |
tariffs. Do you think that is true? I think you are missing the point. | :18:41. | :18:45. | |
Our priority is to be in a strong position enough, top negotiate a | :18:46. | :18:50. | |
good transatlantic partnership with the United States, and we are very | :18:51. | :18:56. | |
conscious we wouldn't be able do that these as a single country. It | :18:57. | :19:01. | |
is Europe with its 500 million customer, in one single market, in | :19:02. | :19:07. | |
faith of the US that can negotiate in a proper position. Switzerland | :19:08. | :19:10. | |
has done that with China. Iceland has done a free trade deal with | :19:11. | :19:12. | |
China and they have 300,000 people. China and they have 300,000 people. | :19:13. | :19:32. | |
the particular situations on the type of goods, the whole... You are | :19:33. | :19:37. | |
right the rules would change. We could scrap a whole load of | :19:38. | :19:41. | |
employment regulations on small industry, we could look at | :19:42. | :19:44. | |
environmental legislation more sensibly. Companies need stability. | :19:45. | :19:49. | |
You would re-open the whole book of negotiation and rules, it would | :19:50. | :19:56. | |
bring so much uncertainty. When productions fallen by 50%, is | :19:57. | :20:00. | |
stability being suck in a currency that is 20% overvalued for France | :20:01. | :20:04. | |
now? If that is stability I don't want it. If we are the fifth biggest | :20:05. | :20:09. | |
power, you are the six St. On that, oh dear. They always do. Don't they. | :20:10. | :20:14. | |
Thank you very much. Now, officers accused of giving | :20:15. | :20:20. | |
misleading accounts of a meeting with Andrew Mitchell are facing an | :20:21. | :20:22. | |
investigation by the police Watchdog. They will be called back | :20:23. | :20:24. | |
investigation by the police I have seen in 25 years and I have | :20:25. | :20:45. | |
been a Select Committee chairman myself. It hinges on the not telling | :20:46. | :20:51. | |
of the truth, the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth is | :20:52. | :20:55. | |
central to our judicial system and is the core of policing, and on two | :20:56. | :21:00. | |
occasion, these police officers have plainly not told the truth. So that | :21:01. | :21:03. | |
is why they have been recalled, which is unusual, to say the least, | :21:04. | :21:10. | |
and that is why I think the IPCC has takesen over the inquiry -- taken | :21:11. | :21:14. | |
over the inquiry and said it was fine but the conclusions are wrong, | :21:15. | :21:18. | |
and we are going to prejudge them. I am joined by the chairman of the | :21:19. | :21:21. | |
Home Affairs Select Committee Keith Vaz. Welcome to the programme. You | :21:22. | :21:25. | |
believe these police officers lied to you and your committee It is | :21:26. | :21:28. | |
important they come before the committee, and explain why the | :21:29. | :21:31. | |
evidence they gave to us did not -- sergeant. He did not | :21:32. | :21:53. | |
disclose the fact he has 13 previous allegations of misconduct, and in | :21:54. | :21:58. | |
respect of DC Hinton when asked about a reference to Teresa May he | :21:59. | :22:03. | |
said the transcript contained type graphical error, so what that | :22:04. | :22:06. | |
affected of course was the credibility of the answers they gave | :22:07. | :22:11. | |
us and therefore in effect it might affect the credibility of what they | :22:12. | :22:14. | |
said previously. So we are talking about their credibility, you are not | :22:15. | :22:19. | |
expecting them to radically change what they said, with regard to the | :22:20. | :22:23. | |
meeting they had with Andrew Mitchell. We will have to see what | :22:24. | :22:26. | |
they say, of course they are at liberty to say to the committee | :22:27. | :22:29. | |
anything they want to, about what happened at that meeting, but as you | :22:30. | :22:36. | |
know, we recommended specifically that there should be a case to | :22:37. | :22:40. | |
answer, for misconduct, the IPCC has worked with great speed to make sure | :22:41. | :22:42. | |
that there is going to be a hear, worked with great speed to make sure | :22:43. | :23:01. | |
hear from these officer, we will hear from the IPCC, because of | :23:02. | :23:05. | |
course when they came before us, they said we can't look at this | :23:06. | :23:09. | |
again, they then looked at our report and decided they could look | :23:10. | :23:13. | |
at it again, we want to know why. Do you think we will get to the bottom | :23:14. | :23:18. | |
of this? After all these Select Committee hearings, the Independent | :23:19. | :23:21. | |
Police Complaints Commission, now saying they will look at this | :23:22. | :23:25. | |
particular case, we still haven't had a response, of course, from the | :23:26. | :23:30. | |
CPS over the actual altercation and incident itself. To the lay man, it | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
must seem ridiculous in terms of testify time and resources that have | :23:36. | :23:40. | |
gone into this? Absolutely. When the police can conduct a murder | :23:41. | :23:45. | |
investigation very very quickly, one of the forces was the West Midlands | :23:46. | :23:51. | |
Police who centsly investigated a person -- recently, a person | :23:52. | :24:10. | |
Police who centsly investigated a third of a million pounds and | :24:11. | :24:13. | |
hundreds of police officers have been involved. Yes, I hope we will | :24:14. | :24:17. | |
have closure, as far as the Select Committee is concerned, we have a | :24:18. | :24:22. | |
degree of closure, we felt it was important that this should be done | :24:23. | :24:25. | |
independently and now the IPCC will be conducting this investigation. | :24:26. | :24:30. | |
What will happen if the officers don't take your, take up your kind | :24:31. | :24:36. | |
offer of apologising or saying they did mislead the committee. We will | :24:37. | :24:41. | |
refer them to the House for contempt proceed, that has a particular | :24:42. | :24:45. | |
approach, and that has a particular procedure, they will be asked to go | :24:46. | :24:49. | |
before the House and the House will take a view on it. So it will go out | :24:50. | :24:53. | |
of the hands of the Select Committee, and into the hands of the | :24:54. | :24:57. | |
House itself, which has happened only rarely, so I hope they will | :24:58. | :25:01. | |
take the opportunity of putting the record straight tomorrow. Because of | :25:02. | :25:03. | |
this threat, record straight tomorrow. Because of | :25:04. | :25:23. | |
very much this is a big opportunity for them to come before the | :25:24. | :25:28. | |
committee, to explain why we were misled to put the record straight | :25:29. | :25:32. | |
and to closure. That is the ultimate sanction? It is within the remit, | :25:33. | :25:35. | |
isn't it, so we are clear? At the end of the process, yes, that is the | :25:36. | :25:39. | |
case, but this will not happen tomorrow. This will be an | :25:40. | :25:42. | |
opportunity for them to put the record straight and the Select | :25:43. | :25:45. | |
Committee hopes very much that will happen. Watching this, I am sure you | :25:46. | :25:51. | |
have vaguely been aware of the plebgate saga, what is your view? I | :25:52. | :25:55. | |
can't comment on this specifics of the care, but by am impressed by the | :25:56. | :26:00. | |
roles played by the Select Committee, this one in particular, | :26:01. | :26:03. | |
but Select Committees hear in -- here in this country in if they are | :26:04. | :26:08. | |
a real counter power to the executive, and we with real powers | :26:09. | :26:13. | |
of inquiry, so I think that is a kind of model for the | :26:14. | :26:31. | |
spring to mind when you think of the UK Parliament which is no strange | :26:32. | :26:35. | |
irto controversy over the treatment of female member, it seems we are | :26:36. | :26:38. | |
not the only ones with problems over sexism. Take a look at this. The | :26:39. | :26:44. | |
National Assembly in France earlier in month, a French MP is making a | :26:45. | :26:49. | |
speech. You can't really hear on this recording but a male MP is | :26:50. | :26:54. | |
making clucking noises. Don't call me a chicken says | :26:55. | :27:00. | |
Veronique Massonneau, in France it means airhead. Let us go to the Dale | :27:01. | :27:05. | |
in Ireland where they are about to vote on a motion on abortion. Watch | :27:06. | :27:12. | |
what happens next. Cue #lapgate. A speech by the then Australia Prime | :27:13. | :27:18. | |
Minister Julia Gillard went viral when she got fed up of sexist | :27:19. | :27:23. | |
remarks. I was offenced when he went out in the front | :27:24. | :27:42. | |
day from this leader of the opposition S That went well. Her for | :27:43. | :27:49. | |
mentor Tony Abbott runs the country now. | :27:50. | :27:57. | |
I am joined Bihar ret Baldwin. What did you think of that played round | :27:58. | :28:02. | |
the world of Julia Gillard in the Australian Parliament? I am in full | :28:03. | :28:07. | |
empathy and I was sitting in the National Assembly when this incident | :28:08. | :28:12. | |
happened, to my female colleague who was considered as a chicken, by... | :28:13. | :28:19. | |
With the clucking going on. I think if you ask any female MP, at least | :28:20. | :28:25. | |
in France, I don't know in other country, she will have personal | :28:26. | :28:28. | |
stories to tell, I can give you mine, I have plenty, but one of them | :28:29. | :28:31. | |
is I was, I was asking mine, I have plenty, but one of them | :28:32. | :28:53. | |
why don't you go and breastfeed your children? Lady, what do you think of | :28:54. | :29:00. | |
that? Well I would say that our Parliaments are supposed to | :29:01. | :29:04. | |
represent the real world. We would be naive top think it doesn't exist | :29:05. | :29:09. | |
in the real world. In the workplace, I speak as someone, I would say | :29:10. | :29:15. | |
Parliament is more civilised than other working environments. How do | :29:16. | :29:19. | |
you respond to that, or do you respond? We do represent the people, | :29:20. | :29:24. | |
as you said, so we have to set an example, and I think it also, we | :29:25. | :29:28. | |
have to do it through the number of women sitting in Parliament, in | :29:29. | :29:34. | |
France we are at 26%, which is one in four, not equal, but not as bad | :29:35. | :29:40. | |
as here I think it is 22. It is not as bad as here. We have an equail | :29:41. | :29:44. | |
Government, 18 as bad as here. We have an equail | :29:45. | :30:02. | |
by the Prime Minister. A phrase that would never have been used to a man. | :30:03. | :30:09. | |
He claims he was doing it from the advert, Indeed. Anyone can judge. It | :30:10. | :30:13. | |
is an issue of representative take, it is slightly shocking, that of the | :30:14. | :30:18. | |
women in Parliament, here, although Labour is in the opposition, more | :30:19. | :30:21. | |
than half of the women in Parliament are Labour. We only four women in | :30:22. | :30:26. | |
the Cabinet, we have something like 42% on the Shadow Cabinet. We have | :30:27. | :30:30. | |
need to get the voice of women in leadership positions if we are going | :30:31. | :30:35. | |
to deal with this issue. Our party had a woman Prime Minister and she | :30:36. | :30:38. | |
was Prime Minister for 11 years and was regardeds as one of the greatest | :30:39. | :30:42. | |
the country has had. I do agree that in terms of the at mo fear in | :30:43. | :30:48. | |
Parliament. You can't go into politics unless you are prepared to | :30:49. | :30:52. | |
put up with the insults that go your way, they go in the direction | :30:53. | :31:13. | |
put up with the insults that go your with that? Do you think it should be | :31:14. | :31:19. | |
enshrined in law, or should there be 50% of candidates being enshrined in | :31:20. | :31:28. | |
law? In law, politicians are exempt from the Sextus commendation act, so | :31:29. | :31:31. | |
you can positively discover late in favour of women. I think we should | :31:32. | :31:35. | |
all aspire to have half of our politicians being women. -- from the | :31:36. | :31:41. | |
sex discrimination act. I think it can be a slow way to change things, | :31:42. | :31:46. | |
but I am strongly against all women short lists, because I would like to | :31:47. | :31:49. | |
say that I am here on my merit, rather than... I am here on my | :31:50. | :31:55. | |
merit, but I was selected from an all women short list. All women | :31:56. | :31:59. | |
short lists have transformed Parliament, and transforming | :32:00. | :32:02. | |
Parliament by getting more women into its changes what we do. I | :32:03. | :32:22. | |
Parliament by getting more women you brave, rather than just talking | :32:23. | :32:27. | |
about the size of the bombs on the bullets that you use. So, there is a | :32:28. | :32:32. | |
cultural shift, a different tone of conversation, from having women | :32:33. | :32:36. | |
there, but if, as it is enshrined in law in France, and have a certain | :32:37. | :32:40. | |
representation, you still get those incidents in Parliament, of people | :32:41. | :32:45. | |
being rude to you, so in a way, that in itself does not change, does it? | :32:46. | :32:54. | |
So is it just something you have to put up with? No, but in the | :32:55. | :32:57. | |
long-term, it creates an environment. Men who use that kind | :32:58. | :33:03. | |
of behaviour will be seen as violating, and doing gender | :33:04. | :33:10. | |
discrimination. When you look at the number of Tory candidates selected | :33:11. | :33:13. | |
so far, out of 51, only 15 are women. My | :33:14. | :33:32. | |
so far, out of 51, only 15 are if they do not respect the law on | :33:33. | :33:37. | |
putting an equal number of candidates in elections. I think you | :33:38. | :33:43. | |
cannot put a law on women wanting to come forward and be politicians. | :33:44. | :33:47. | |
Apparently about a third of the people who put their names forward | :33:48. | :33:50. | |
in the Conservative Party are women, and about a third of them get | :33:51. | :33:53. | |
selected proportionately. So there is nothing to suggest that it is | :33:54. | :33:59. | |
disproportionate to the number of people who aspire to become an MP. | :34:00. | :34:04. | |
Isn't one of the reasons why fewer women aspire because they see fewer | :34:05. | :34:08. | |
women in politics? And one of the things that we, as women | :34:09. | :34:11. | |
politicians, have a responsibility to do, is to end this macho | :34:12. | :34:19. | |
environment in which women work, which puts off young women from | :34:20. | :34:23. | |
wanting to stand, from wanting to lead. Caroline Flint, a Labour | :34:24. | :34:25. | |
minister at lead. Caroline Flint, a Labour | :34:26. | :34:43. | |
strong as Julia Gillard never has to go through the horrible experiences | :34:44. | :34:46. | |
that she enjoyed before she made that brilliant speech. Thank you | :34:47. | :34:50. | |
very much, all of you. Thank you, Axelle Lemaire, for being my guest | :34:51. | :34:56. | |
today. Now for a look at The Week Ahead. The cost of High Speed Rail | :34:57. | :35:00. | |
two comes under scrutiny tomorrow by Parliament's Treasury Select | :35:01. | :35:02. | |
Committee, with evidence to be heard from economists and infrastructure | :35:03. | :35:05. | |
experts. Later in the day, MPs on the Defence Committee will hear from | :35:06. | :35:08. | |
the Secretary of State, Philip Hammond, on Future Army 2020, the | :35:09. | :35:11. | |
strategic plan for the UK's armed forces. Wednesday is Prime | :35:12. | :35:16. | |
Minister's Questions. Will energy prices return as the issue of the | :35:17. | :35:23. | |
day? It is a subject which has dominated in recent weeks. There | :35:24. | :35:26. | |
will be no PMQs next week as Parliament will be in recess. On | :35:27. | :35:30. | |
Thursday, the heads of the three UK intelligence agencies will appear | :35:31. | :35:32. | |
before the Intelligence and Security Committee in Parliament. | :35:33. | :35:56. | |
And we are joined from College Green by Kevin Schofield from the Sun, and | :35:57. | :36:08. | |
the Guardian's Rowena Mason. On HS2, first of all, David Cameron is | :36:09. | :36:11. | |
trying to make a clear dividing line from Labour, saying that people will | :36:12. | :36:16. | |
see Labour as betraying the north of England if it withdraws support for | :36:17. | :36:21. | |
HS2, so it is this a clever tactic? Yes, well, today coming he set out | :36:22. | :36:27. | |
plans in a speech at the CBI to ask Sir David Higgins, the chairman of | :36:28. | :36:33. | |
HS2, to cut costs on the ?42 billion project. It comes after Labour has | :36:34. | :36:38. | |
turned the screws, really, on the Tory party, over HS2, saying that it | :36:39. | :36:42. | |
will not give the project a blank cheque. It | :36:43. | :36:45. | |
to pull support because that money could be spent better elsewhere? | :36:46. | :37:11. | |
Yes, it is fairly tempting, I think, for Ed Balls, when we are talking | :37:12. | :37:17. | |
about ?42 billion, and for a party which is struggling to shake off its | :37:18. | :37:23. | |
spendthrift tag, if it was to say, we're not going to spend this money | :37:24. | :37:27. | |
on this project, we are going to spend it on other things, like maybe | :37:28. | :37:30. | |
house-building or bringing down the national debt, it must be very | :37:31. | :37:34. | |
tempting, which is why Ed Balls has thrown out a few feelers, and given | :37:35. | :37:40. | |
very broad hints that he is thinking about pulling Labour's support for | :37:41. | :37:46. | |
it. I think there is tension between him and Ed Miliband over whether or | :37:47. | :37:49. | |
not Labour will ultimately support HS2. What is your prediction? I | :37:50. | :37:55. | |
think when push comes to shove, I think when push comes to shove, I | :37:56. | :38:13. | |
not to. It is going to be a tight one, but when push comes to shove, I | :38:14. | :38:17. | |
think Labour will probably just support it, with extreme caveats. | :38:18. | :38:23. | |
Let's turn our attention to Falkirk, and allegations of vote fixing. | :38:24. | :38:30. | |
Rowena Mason, there is now a twist in the story that one of the | :38:31. | :38:32. | |
complainant is apparently did not withdraw evidence, as had been | :38:33. | :38:39. | |
claimed, so what do you make of it all? It is still very confusing. | :38:40. | :38:44. | |
There are lots of claims and counterclaims, and we have not | :38:45. | :38:46. | |
really had a full explanation from the people in the middle of the | :38:47. | :38:50. | |
story, who originally complained, about exactly what has gone on. An | :38:51. | :38:56. | |
interesting twist this morning is that Johann Lamont, the Scottish | :38:57. | :39:01. | |
Labour leader, seemed to open the door to possibly Labour | :39:02. | :39:05. | |
reinvestigating the allegations, and so | :39:06. | :39:22. | |
reinvestigating the allegations, and to publish the internal report. Tom | :39:23. | :39:24. | |
Harris, the former label transport minister said last night that... | :39:25. | :39:36. | |
They are probably right, insofar as the Labour Party would not normally | :39:37. | :39:39. | |
publish internal reports, however, given the ongoing controversy about | :39:40. | :39:44. | |
this issue, basically, it looks as though they have got something to | :39:45. | :39:47. | |
hide, unless he does choose to publish it. It is starting to | :39:48. | :39:51. | |
reflect quite badly on the Labour leadership. Thank you both very | :39:52. | :39:56. | |
much. I have been joined by Labour's Anne Begg, Malcolm Bruce from the | :39:57. | :40:01. | |
Liberal Democrats and by the Conservative MP Anne McIntosh, for | :40:02. | :40:04. | |
the rest of the programme. Welcome to all of you. As we have been | :40:05. | :40:09. | |
hearing, the saga around the Labour selection in Falkirk has once again | :40:10. | :40:13. | |
raised its head. Yesterday's Sunday Times includes | :40:14. | :40:32. | |
raised its head. Yesterday's Sunday union, at the centre of the | :40:33. | :40:35. | |
controversy, gave his reaction. The truth of the matter is, this is a | :40:36. | :40:40. | |
trap being laid by Tory central office. Of course it is! They are | :40:41. | :40:43. | |
the ones who are making the demands, and of course, the media, the Daily | :40:44. | :40:47. | |
Mail, the Sunday Times, are you telling me they are not the | :40:48. | :40:50. | |
Conservative mouthpiece in the media? They are laying traps for Ed | :40:51. | :40:54. | |
Miliband, and Ed Miliband should not fall into those traps. Anne Begg, is | :40:55. | :41:02. | |
this just a conspiracy of what Len McCluskey calls the Tory press, and | :41:03. | :41:05. | |
Ed Miliband is falling into the trap? Well, I do not think the Tory | :41:06. | :41:10. | |
press will help, but I think this is a problem of our own making. It is | :41:11. | :41:14. | |
not our finest hour. Having said that, it is very much an internal | :41:15. | :41:19. | |
matter for the Labour Party. It is for the Labour Party to get to the | :41:20. | :41:23. | |
bottom of this, to make sure that whatever happened in Falkirk does | :41:24. | :41:24. | |
not happen again. whatever happened in Falkirk does | :41:25. | :41:45. | |
MSP who had to stand down because he was found to be a wife beater in the | :41:46. | :41:49. | |
courts. And there was no call at that time for the SNP to publish any | :41:50. | :41:53. | |
internal reports. Or would it help lay this to rest? I do not know, | :41:54. | :41:59. | |
because I am not party to this. In fact, most people are not. A lot of | :42:00. | :42:04. | |
it is speculation in the newspapers. But I think it is an issue for the | :42:05. | :42:08. | |
Labour Party. It is something they are going to have to look at and | :42:09. | :42:12. | |
continue to look at, both to make sure that this is laid to rest, but | :42:13. | :42:17. | |
also, we need to get on and get a good candidate select it, for the | :42:18. | :42:23. | |
people of Falkirk. In your view, has the Unite union abused its power in | :42:24. | :42:27. | |
Falkirk? I think they did things which were over the line in terms of | :42:28. | :42:31. | |
what they were allowed to do. In terms of what? Interestingly | :42:32. | :42:52. | |
what they were allowed to do. In they have joined the Labour Party. | :42:53. | :42:56. | |
It should be agreed by them! It is in those circumstances that I think | :42:57. | :43:00. | |
the Unite union have overstepped the mark. Because they are using | :43:01. | :43:04. | |
bullying and intimidate three tactics as well? There was coercion | :43:05. | :43:11. | |
and fraud and vote rigging. They were cleared of wrongdoing, of | :43:12. | :43:21. | |
course. We do but if somebody was saying that they wish to make a | :43:22. | :43:24. | |
witness statement, and they were not heard... But that is a matter for | :43:25. | :43:32. | |
the police. My understanding is that the Labour Party had not seen the | :43:33. | :43:38. | |
e-mails. Those have been handed over to the police. So, if there is | :43:39. | :43:41. | |
corruption and wrongdoing and illegality, and that is a matter for | :43:42. | :43:43. | |
the police. illegality, and that is a matter for | :43:44. | :44:02. | |
was dropped on the basis that people at the centre of the case withdrew | :44:03. | :44:10. | |
their evidence, so now, should it be reopened? I want the party to get to | :44:11. | :44:15. | |
the bottom of what exactly happened. Whether it should be published is a | :44:16. | :44:18. | |
different matter. But obviously I think there is an issue for the | :44:19. | :44:22. | |
party, which must get to the bottom of it. It is only by doing so that | :44:23. | :44:25. | |
they will make sure this does not happen again. Will that be enough, | :44:26. | :44:30. | |
Malcolm Bruce? First of all, I think it is a problem for the Labour | :44:31. | :44:34. | |
Party, in terms of its public perception. Any party which may | :44:35. | :44:38. | |
appear to be a partially owned subsidiary of another organisation, | :44:39. | :44:45. | |
like a trade union, has a problem. It is treating the voters with a | :44:46. | :44:50. | |
degree of contempt. I think what Labour have got to address is, if | :44:51. | :44:54. | |
they want to be a national party, they have | :44:55. | :45:12. | |
reinforces that belief. I think if that was true, then Malcolm is | :45:13. | :45:18. | |
right, but as I said, the unions, in regard to the individual selection | :45:19. | :45:21. | |
of candidates, have much less power than they have ever had at any time | :45:22. | :45:25. | |
in history, partly because of one member, one vote. This is why they | :45:26. | :45:29. | |
have resorted to this tactic of trying to get more members who they | :45:30. | :45:33. | |
think will vote that way. But actually, Labour Party members are | :45:34. | :45:36. | |
very good at making up their own mind, and they can be quite contrary | :45:37. | :45:44. | |
at times. The perception is that the unions are up to their old dirty | :45:45. | :45:48. | |
tricks again. The unions would say it is the fault of the Tory press | :45:49. | :45:54. | |
who are making it up. The press pick up a story, you can't blame them. | :45:55. | :46:02. | |
The Tory press were not to blame. You are seeing an, a dispute | :46:03. | :46:04. | |
The Tory press were not to blame. finest hour, it has shown us in a | :46:05. | :46:23. | |
bad light. That is why they have to get to the bottom of it and make | :46:24. | :46:29. | |
sure it doesn't happen again. Moving on quickly, plebgate, are you happy | :46:30. | :46:35. | |
the officers are coming back before the Select Committee? Yes I am happy | :46:36. | :46:37. | |
that the Independent Police Complaints Commission is looking | :46:38. | :46:42. | |
into allegations of misleading a House of Commons Select Committee | :46:43. | :46:45. | |
and also the public, on a number of issues, I think the whole incident | :46:46. | :46:50. | |
is highly regrettable, and the sooner we can put this to bed the | :46:51. | :46:57. | |
better, both for the British public and Andrew Mitchell himself, for his | :46:58. | :47:01. | |
own police authority at the -- authority at the time to question | :47:02. | :47:04. | |
his intelty. Would you like to see him back in Government? Yes in a | :47:05. | :47:09. | |
very senior position. How does it make the police look? My committee | :47:10. | :47:14. | |
was shadowing or monitoring Andrew Mitchell so I got to | :47:15. | :47:32. | |
was shadowing or monitoring Andrew lied about, so if that is the case, | :47:33. | :47:35. | |
clearly, we have to get to the bottom of it and the Select | :47:36. | :47:37. | |
Committee is determines to do so, that is why they have called the | :47:38. | :47:41. | |
police back presumably. Most police do a fantastic job but it doesn't | :47:42. | :47:47. | |
help their reputation... One of my colleagues said not even who has the | :47:48. | :47:52. | |
resourced that Andrew Mitchell had. Let us leave it there Ed Miliband | :47:53. | :47:55. | |
has confirmed that a future Labour Government would offer businesses | :47:56. | :48:00. | |
tax breaks if they paid the living wage, that is the benchmark based on | :48:01. | :48:03. | |
the amount an individual needs to cover the basic cost of living. | :48:04. | :48:09. | |
Private firms would be able to claim back a third of the cost. Not all | :48:10. | :48:13. | |
Labour supporters are fans of the plans. We are joined by John | :48:14. | :48:17. | |
McTernan who was Tony Blair's political secretary. What isn't it a | :48:18. | :48:23. | |
good idea? The national minimum wage, which the Labour | :48:24. | :48:25. | |
good idea? The national minimum London is ?8.80 an hour which is a | :48:26. | :48:45. | |
40% increase or more on the national minimum wage, I don't think you can | :48:46. | :48:49. | |
increase wages that much without destroying jobs and there is a study | :48:50. | :48:54. | |
by the Resolution Foundation who say if you implement it across the | :48:55. | :48:59. | |
country, it would lead to 300 thousand gloung people losing their | :49:00. | :49:03. | |
job, and I don't think we can afford that. Is that because you don't want | :49:04. | :49:09. | |
to take the leap all in one go? It is something you would say | :49:10. | :49:12. | |
politicians should d pyre to, to that level of living wage over time? | :49:13. | :49:16. | |
The minimum wage has been allowed by the coalition to fall in value and | :49:17. | :49:19. | |
it should be increased. There is no doubt there is a case for that, but | :49:20. | :49:24. | |
the living wage is, is a campaign which on the one hand we are told by | :49:25. | :49:28. | |
the. Ka painers it is wrong to pay people at that level, on the other | :49:29. | :49:35. | |
hand if you say it will cost some businesses to | :49:36. | :49:53. | |
hand if you say it will cost some this. I think Brown and the Tory | :49:54. | :49:56. | |
Governments before this got this right, some people have low wages | :49:57. | :49:59. | |
and they should be topped up by the Government through tax credits or | :50:00. | :50:04. | |
through family credit or through as dung proposes through Universal | :50:05. | :50:09. | |
Credit. That is the right way to reward people in low paid work | :50:10. | :50:13. | |
rather than force them to become unemployed. Anne McIntosh, do you | :50:14. | :50:18. | |
agree with that? Is it better that people, some people just say and | :50:19. | :50:22. | |
accept those lower wages and the state, funded by the taxpayer | :50:23. | :50:27. | |
subsidises that low pay with benefits? What we have done is taken | :50:28. | :50:33. | |
25 million people out of tax so they don't pay tax until ?10,000 so you | :50:34. | :50:39. | |
can earn ?10,000 from April next year. Would you rather not have the | :50:40. | :50:44. | |
living wage and continue to top up with benefits? I | :50:45. | :51:03. | |
living wage and continue to top up now, not to lose people, but not to | :51:04. | :51:06. | |
replace people when they leave their work. Hasn't that been the economic | :51:07. | :51:12. | |
reality, the low wage part-timer, it has been better than loosing your | :51:13. | :51:15. | |
job, if John McTernan is right and he uses the figures there would be | :51:16. | :51:20. | |
300,000 job lost. The same argument was used with the introduction of | :51:21. | :51:24. | |
the minimum wage, and it didn't come to pass, but I think Anne has missed | :51:25. | :51:30. | |
the point, the government is paying out to supplement the incomes of | :51:31. | :51:36. | |
these people. Anybody who is paying tax is not the group we are talking | :51:37. | :51:39. | |
about. So people are getting paid less, that get it topped up by the | :51:40. | :51:46. | |
state. But what if the business can't afford to carry... Well, at | :51:47. | :51:50. | |
the moment, the people who are carrying it are the British | :51:51. | :51:52. | |
taxpayer. It is the cost of carrying it are the British | :51:53. | :52:13. | |
to supplement people? Surely Liberal Democrat, the onus should be on the | :52:14. | :52:16. | |
employer, more should be on the employer so the state doesn't have | :52:17. | :52:24. | |
to keep paying. The problem is... What about the Liberal Democrats? We | :52:25. | :52:28. | |
are in favour of the living wage in principle. We think large companies | :52:29. | :52:32. | |
should be transparent. My own council is committed to it. You | :52:33. | :52:36. | |
can't confuse the minimum wage with the living wage, one is a legal | :52:37. | :52:40. | |
requirement, the other is an aspiration to recognise, that is the | :52:41. | :52:43. | |
sort of money people in full-time work would hope to have, to have a | :52:44. | :52:47. | |
live wage. People should be encourage to pay it. The Labour | :52:48. | :52:51. | |
Party's ideas are worth looking at but you shouldn't confuse the two. | :52:52. | :52:55. | |
There was a lot of reaction against the minimum wage at the time. Some | :52:56. | :53:00. | |
small businesses will say we can't afford to employ people that the | :53:01. | :53:02. | |
level. Some Biggs businesses are afford to employ people that the | :53:03. | :53:23. | |
people living in poverty have an adult in work, that is not right. We | :53:24. | :53:26. | |
need do something about it. The best thing to do is introduce the living | :53:27. | :53:32. | |
wage. That in a single policy decision can actually make sure that | :53:33. | :53:36. | |
people who are in work, actually are lifted out of poverty. At the moment | :53:37. | :53:40. | |
that is not happening. It is important not to confuse the two. | :53:41. | :53:44. | |
There is one thing that all our three guests have in common. Well, | :53:45. | :53:48. | |
apart from all being huge fans of the Daily Politics, who writes these | :53:49. | :53:54. | |
scrips? . They all chair Parliamentary skit tis. It is an | :53:55. | :53:59. | |
increasingly high profile role. First, let us remind ourself of | :54:00. | :54:06. | |
recent Select Committee moments. I suggest you can give an apology for | :54:07. | :54:11. | |
spinning a yarn to the press to get someone out of high public office, | :54:12. | :54:14. | |
that is what you were motivated to do, | :54:15. | :54:32. | |
following the laws that are there. How can the profits be fair when | :54:33. | :54:37. | |
people can't afford to pay for their energy? Do you accept that you are | :54:38. | :54:45. | |
responsible for this whole fiasco? What point did you find out | :54:46. | :54:50. | |
criminality was endemic at the News of the World? Committee will note | :54:51. | :54:56. | |
you have had to apologise given you claim not to have seen a document | :54:57. | :55:03. | |
which you I believe authored, so... I think. To draw an inference... We | :55:04. | :55:09. | |
immediate to take it with a pinch of salt. Feisty stuff. Let us get the | :55:10. | :55:14. | |
thoughts of our chairs. Let us put you under the spotlight. Malcolm | :55:15. | :55:19. | |
Bruce how come they have improved so much, the reputation of the dusty | :55:20. | :55:23. | |
Select Committee, it seems to have gone? I think all Select Committees | :55:24. | :55:25. | |
have a gone? I think all Select Committees | :55:26. | :55:43. | |
they want to be there, they have something to bring to the table. | :55:44. | :55:47. | |
That makes us much more effective and beyond the reach of Government. | :55:48. | :55:51. | |
So we are more independent. That added a lot to our strength and | :55:52. | :55:54. | |
indeed the impact of what we do. Does it result in any real change | :55:55. | :55:58. | |
though? Yes, I think the right reforms in the last Parliament which | :55:59. | :56:02. | |
have been introduced this Parliament, give us not more power, | :56:03. | :56:09. | |
and therefore a more prominent national platform. We have the power | :56:10. | :56:13. | |
to amend legislation, so prescrutiny you get a detailed idea, I have to | :56:14. | :56:19. | |
say as a member of a coalition, the prominent coalition party, it can be | :56:20. | :56:23. | |
uncomfortable sometimes in screws nicing a department which is so | :56:24. | :56:26. | |
important to my constituency, to try and help them to get the policy | :56:27. | :56:33. | |
right, but gps Does that mean you have to ask tough questions? No | :56:34. | :56:52. | |
right, but gps Does that mean you and enforced. Let us take that | :56:53. | :56:55. | |
issue, do you think it easier to be a member of a Select Committee if | :56:56. | :57:00. | |
you are not the party in power? I don't know because I have never been | :57:01. | :57:05. | |
in that situation. But, of course, the majority on the committees from | :57:06. | :57:08. | |
the Government party, but I say to them, and it is the position I took | :57:09. | :57:13. | |
as a backbencher, I want my Government to get it right, and if | :57:14. | :57:17. | |
there is something the Select Committee can illustrate or point | :57:18. | :57:22. | |
to, that could be a disaster in the making, sensible Governments and | :57:23. | :57:25. | |
sensible departments will listen, I hope to some of the things. Do MPs | :57:26. | :57:31. | |
Grandstand? Do you have to watch if some of you committee members start | :57:32. | :57:35. | |
taking over and become a celebrity? It is worrying if you have a high | :57:36. | :57:39. | |
profile witness like the Secretary of State they might be exposed. | :57:40. | :57:41. | |
Really we now have the opportunity of State they might be exposed. | :57:42. | :58:05. | |
we reach decision by consensus. The most effective Select Committees are | :58:06. | :58:08. | |
the ones who are able to put the political different, leave them at | :58:09. | :58:13. | |
the door and work together. We try to aVoight voting in the committee. | :58:14. | :58:19. | |
There have been fairly high profile case. An amendment comes along where | :58:20. | :58:25. | |
something disagrees and you negotiate it. The department will | :58:26. | :58:29. | |
often wait for a committee report before it finalises a policy and | :58:30. | :58:33. | |
accepted the reputation, because it is based on objective evidence, not | :58:34. | :58:37. | |
the prejudice of 11 member, we brought that evidence in from | :58:38. | :58:41. | |
outside. Who is the best chair in the business? It is difficult to | :58:42. | :58:51. | |
say. They are all our favourites as Bruce forsite would say. Thank you. | :58:52. | :58:55. | |
I will be back tomorrow with all the | :58:56. | :58:56. |