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Good morning, this is the Daily Politics. Today's top story: 1775


jobs will go at shipyards in Glasgow and Portsmouth. Ship building on the


south coast of England. Completely. The news was confirmed in the last


hour, we will bring you all the Westminster reaction as it happens.


The job losses are bound to feature in PMQs. The weekly battle between


David Cameron and Ed Miliband is live at midday.


The dispute over what exactly happened in Falkirk continues to


cause the Leader of the Opposition headaches - the local MP joins us in


the studio. Yes, I have smoked crack cocaine. That am I an addict? No.


And can a self-confessed crack smoker continue as Toronto mayor? --


but am I an addict? What is your view? I will tell you later, give me


a time to think! I know you are an expert! Brave!


All that and more in the next 90 minutes. And with us for the


duration of today's programme, two of Westminster's finest - the Shadow


Attorney General, Emily Thornberry, and the former Environment


Secretary, Caroline Spelman. Welcome.


First today, this morning's breaking news. Bad news for the Clyde and


Portsmouth. Navy ships have been built at Portsmouth for 500 years,


but this morning we learnt ship building is to cease at the


dockyard. That'll be in the second half of next year. Gerald Vernon


Jackson is the leader of Portsmouth Council, he joins us. This is a big


blow, it will be around 1000 job losses after a dockyard workforce of


around 11,000, it is very big. For me, the real worry is that


Portsmouth is the last place in England which builds and has the


ability to build advanced surface warships. All of the yard is being


able to do that in the future would be in Scotland. What if Scotland


chooses independence? The Royal Navy has never bought chips from outside


our shores, now it will have to go looking to a foreign country to buy


ships. To go to France, Germany, Scotland. That is very bad,


strategically, for the defence of the UK. We will know on September


the 18th next year whether Scotland votes for independence, but will the


capacity have to be moved to England? The Royal Navy has never


bought any ships from a foreign power, and by that time Scotland


will be a foreign power. That is a huge waste of money. The Royal Navy


built submarines at Barrow in Furness and they let most people go.


We lost all the skills. When a new contract arrives you have to


re-employ Andrey skilled people, a waste of public money. It is the


wrong decision at the wrong time. Defence budgets are being scrapped


all over Europe, including in this country. People are not ordering the


kind of ships that Portsmouth builds. That aside Scottish


independence, isn't it inevitable that work would be concentrated in


the two yards opposite each other on the Clyde, and that Portsmouth would


be the victim? That decision could have been made if the issue of


Scottish independence was not around. We are in island nation and


we depend on the sea to bring in all the food we eat, the gas and the


central heating. We depend on the Navy to defend our sea lanes. It is


ludicrous that the Royal Navy would have to go to a foreign power to buy


warships. I don't think we will be building many more ships. I think


the Royal Navy only has about 19,000. We have about 40 based in


Portsmouth. The size of the Royal Navy has shrunk, we have one third


of the number of frigates and destroyers we had when Mrs Thatcher


came to power, so it is much smaller, but the political decision


should have been not to make this decision until the Scottish


independence... They could have waited for ten months to make this


decision. What is the argument against that? Ten months is not


long. There has to be a lead time so that the skills and excellent


workforce in Portsmouth and the Clyde have the opportunity to find


jobs commensurate with their skills. With the renaissance of


manufacturing, certainly in my area, the West Midlands, these


skills are highly sought after for investors looking to invest in this


country. There are job losses in Scotland, too, almost as many as


Portsmouth. Do you think these people could move from Portsmouth to


the West Midlands? Not necessarily even have to move. If you look at


how Tata invested in Jaguar Land Rover, they have created many extra


jobs since the crash, 24,000 jobs in the supply chain alone, and part of


the reason was looking at the pool of skilled labour. We are incredibly


short of skilled engineers and engineering apprenticeships. There


lots of apprenticeships but that are vacancies for people with these


skills in your part of the world. Don't go away, but I need to hear


from you. I wish Caroline was right. We can't forget that for every job


loss in one of these yards, there are the shops, the people who


provide the materials, many other jobs, the whole supply chain. The


effect on Portsmouth will be enormous. Certainly, I hope that


companies would be able to move into that area and employ some of these


people. But there are certainly no guarantees, and if I was living in


Portsmouth tonight I would be very worried, coming up to Portsmouth. --


coming up to Christmas. The idea is that we either build more warships,


or that we keep Portsmouth open eye closing one of the Scottish yards.


Does Labour have a policy? At 12:30pm, I think Vernon Coaker will


be asking on which basis this decision has been made, we need a


proper explanation to what extent it has been a political decision or a


commercial one, is that all isn't there Scottish factor? People in


Glasgow and Portsmouth deserve that. Do you think you have been


sacrificed on the altar of Scottish independence, or an attempt to stop


it? It is clearly a political decision. The orders for where ships


are built or maids are made by ministers. They could have made the


decision to keep naval ship holding in England for the future. They have


made the decision that they do not want to do that. They must assume


that Scotland will vote no? That must be there working assumption? Or


they have made the strategic decision that it is okayed to build


Royal Navy ships abroad, I think they are wrong. The Secretary of


State, Mr Hammond, is saying no to other things in Scotland, he says,


you become a foreign country, we will not build better. There was a


simple and easy solution that we suggested to the MoD, which they


have rejected. I think we are now going to go to Portsmouth. It has


been confirmed that Defence Secretary Philip Hammond will make


his statement after PMQs. We are joined now by our reporter in


Portsmouth. Have workers officially been told about the 940 job losses?


This is a city built on naval shipbuilding. It is a long history


and very proud heritage. The news that some 940 jobs will be lost has


gone Dell like a lead balloon, as you might imagine. -- gone Dell


unlike a red balloon. 140 jobs here, 700 zero jobs in Scotland, but


Portsmouth is bearing the brunt. No new warships will be built here.


This is the last naval yard with the capability to build advanced


warships in England, and the leader of the council says it is a


devastating blow. He believes there will be some kind of capability


necessary in England for building this type of vessel. The sweetener


is that it will be retained as a maintenance yard where work will be


carried out repairs and maintenance, but that cut little ice with those


likely to lose jobs today. There has already been quite a stiff political


reaction. The Lib Dem MP for Portsmouth South, Mike Hancock, says


workers will be utterly devastated by this news today. The local


Chamber of Commerce has weighed in, saying that the headline job losses


are merely the tip of the iceberg. There are many other jobs in the


supply line which will now be lost as a result of this decision. We


will know more detail when Philip Hammond stands up and makes the


statement in the House of Commons at around 12:30pm. Thank you. We are


joined now by Mike Hancock, the local MP for the area. He joins us


in the House of Commons. He was Lib Dem but I think he is independent


now. What is your reaction to the decision to close naval building in


Portsmouth? I am absolutely devastated, along with the


individuals concerned and the city as a whole. 500 years of tradition


will be swept away, 940 jobs will go, which will be very hard to


replace and very difficult to get all those people that came to work


in a very quick time. It is very disappointing and pretty upsetting


for everybody concerned. Do you believe the decision has been taken


to close Portsmouth but keep the two yards on the Clyde as part of the


Government pulls-macro efforts to keep the union together? I'd have to


be extremely cynical to say that was the only reason. I think it is part


of the reason. I think the other parties do way in which the Ministry


of Defence has run the procurement programme for the last ten years --


I think the other part is the way. I think BAE one to minimise their --


want to minimise their costs. It is a combination of the three things


which we will have to pay a price for in Portsmouth. If we are in an


era of deep defence cuts, we spend about ten percentage of our GDP on


defence these days, then three shipyards will be one too many for


the Navy? These are not the sort of things you could replace easily. If


things went knees up in Scotland by the referendum going against the UK


Government, it would be very hard to replace what we have taken apart in


Portsmouth. I don't think there is a fallback. I think it is a very


serious foolish government which puts all its eggs in one basket when


it has three, efficient yards. People I have spoken to are heaping


praise on the workforce in Portsmouth, the unions in Portsmouth


have played the game, they have kept disputes to a minimum and worked


with the company. The company has rewarded them by stabbing them in


the back in this way, which I think is a very bitter blow for anyone,


including many of my constituents, who spent their whole working lives


in that yard. Thank you for joining us. We will


wait to see what the Defence Secretary Mr Hammond has to say at


12:30pm when he makes that statement. One of the difficulties,


I would suggest, is that the frigates and destroyers that we make


now are incredibly sophisticated. They are floating computers at the


highest level. When you lose these skills, almost no body makes a


ships, other than the Americans and ourselves and maybe one or


people are highly skilled, they need to keep their skills up to date,


we're not in a position to switch the tap on and off. We are really


short of skilled labour, we can't fill positions in the growing part


of the private sector. The recovery has barely begun and we are short of


skilled labour? ! Bee we are short of engineers, and these computing


skills are transferable. Longbridge closed with thousands of jobs. They


have all been reabsorbed into the success of the West Midlands car


manufacturing. Jaguar Land Rover took them on. Into similar jobs, car


building, there will not be an alternative boat builder. This is


one way of finding a sustainable future. There was a loss of 500


engineering jobs in Southampton. The most popular job that people moved


into, not through choice, was being taxi drivers. That is not moving


skills into high-end engineering. We can go over to Nick Robinson.


The decision was whether this was a strategic commercial or a political


decision? We are well aware of the politics of


the Clyde, aware of the danger of closing one of the Glasgow shipyards


on the Clyde ahead of a Scottish referendum. Here is the case against


that that is being made to me by defence insiders. First of all, they


say that Govan builds ships cheaper than Portsmouth. From a Tory


perspective, it is in their interest to keep jobs in the south of England


and not have jobs in Scotland. The more compelling case is this. They


say that the decisions about which shipyards to close were discussed


three years ago when the government had a Strategic Defence Review in


2010. That was before Alex Salmond was re-elected in Scotland. In other


words, what people are saying is that it was always inevitable that


once this massive project of building two aircraft carriers came


to an end, the jobs would go. The issue then was, did the jobs go in


Portsmouth or Scotland? There is no doubt that political factors around


the referendum have reinforced the case in Scotland. The case being


made to me is that there were overwhelming reasons to choose Govan


and Scotstoun. The issue of the timing has been discussed in the


studio. Bearing in mind it is less than a year until the referendum,


why not wait until we knew which way Scotland would go? The reason may be


that there is a problem looming. Work is gradually being wound down


on those aircraft carriers. It will carry on until 2015 but it is being


wound down. Replacement work, work for the new generation of frigates,


13 of them, that is not due to start for many years. There was a gap that


had to be filled if we were to find there was no work at all on the


Clyde. What we know is that the gap will be filled by orders for new


vessels, things we did not know about before. The Ministry of


Defence has found money by renegotiating the contract for


aircraft carriers to keep people working on the Clyde. If they had


done nothing, those jobs would have gone unless they work being


subsidised for sitting, literally, on their hands. Thank you very much.


Ed Miliband is under pressure to open the Labour enquiry into the


selection of their candidate in Falkirk this morning, after the


Unite union issued a statement last night giving their side of events


following a number of newspaper allegations over the weekend. Over


to Jo to bring us up to date. It is a complicated story and gets more


complicated as the days go by. Unite have issued a statement aimed at


"clearing up the confusion" over their role in the selection of the


Labour Party candidate in Falkirk. Unite say the core of the


allegations reported by the Daily Mail and other newspapers over the


weekend were already contained within the internal Labour Party


report, which Unite claim they never received but one of their officials


has read. Unite describe the internal Labour report as "no more


than a list of allegations" and that it couldn't be considered a final


investigation into what went on in Falkirk. But, perhaps confusingly,


they say that Labour was right not to reopen its July enquiry. The most


senior Labour figure to weigh into the debate over Falkirk was former


Chancellor Alistair Darling who said on Monday that Labour should


consider reopen its investigation, saying it was important that this


time the outcomes were published. But yesterday Ed Miliband was


repeatedly asked whether Labour would reopen their enquiry or


publish the findings of the old one. He told journalists a second police


investigation was underway, and he did add that leader of the Scottish


Labour Party, Johan Lamont, would look into any new allegations that


emerge. I was taking notes! We are joined in


the studio by the former Labour MP for Falkirk, Eric Joyce. Welcome


back. Should Labour reopen the investigation? Yes, of course they


should. There are many reasons. The longer a lawyer's statement is...


Yes, of course they should. What do you say to that, Emily? I say that


we have suspended the party in Falkirk, we have had an


investigation, we are completely changing the way Labour Party does


things, and our relationship with the trade unions. We have stopped


the system of getting members into the Labour Party directly through


the unions which may have been abused. We have stopped any members


who were recruited under that basis of being involved in the selection


process. The National executive committee will be looking after the


election process. The local party is in special measures and the


controversial candidates are no longer standing. What more should


the Labour Party do? You have had a good say, Eric Joyce? The Labour


Party say nothing untoward went on in Falkirk, and Emily has listed a


whole list of things. This is a very significant move, this is 40% of


this constituency. You have suspended 40% of the members as you


have said. It seems very clear that Unite have been very domineering in


this process and in the Grangemouth process, and Labour seems afraid to


admit that many things went wrong in Falkirk. Forgave me but I am a


practical politician and we have done what we should have done. We


have referred our findings to the police. There may well be another


investigation. There were allegations made in the Daily Mail.


That was investigated by our general secretary. You know... They were


living at three different addresses as an old lived at the same place! I


feel that we have done what we need to do. What we need to do now is


select somebody to replace you! Have you done all that you need to do?


Why did the Labour Party not even speak to the people at the centre of


this order candidate that really were trying to put in? -- that they


were trying to put in? The enquiry was done by a small number of people


and I have not seen the report. Those who were being enquired into


were told that the report would not be available. You are asking about


the details of the investigation and I do not have those details because


I was not... I am not asking for the details, I am asking you a simple


question. How can it be a proper enquiry when you did not interview


the two main people on the Unite side? I tell you what, why do not


help me? What do you think the Labour Party ought to do more than


we have done? You have just asked another question. It is manifestly


obvious that there are hundreds of people who've been signed up to make


the conclusion public. Instead of saying that the party 's position is


here, there is nothing... Alistair Darling once an enquiry, I suggest


he knows more about Scottish Labour policies than you. Johan Lamont was


another enquiry. I suggest she knows more about these matters than you.


Why would the party in London not agree to what these major figures in


Scotland one? What Ed Miliband said yesterday was that if new


information came to light, there would be in enquiry. You said and


enquiry by smart -- you said and enquiry? The most important thing


for the people of Falkirk is to get a new Parliamentary candidate so we


can have a good MP in that area representing those people. The real


question for the people of Falkirk is to ask whether they are being


represented properly by a Labour candidate. We have run out of time.


You just get to be the Observer here! Very briefly, where do we go


from here? Labour has to do have an enquiry. Emily said nothing happens


but that will not do. Let's say we have no enquiry, what will be the


result of that? We have given our information to the police. They are


the ones... It is up to the police. OK, we are going to have to go. We


have PMQs. We have a major public issue that Labour does not want an


enquiry in, that is quite at the moment! The days are getting wetter,


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is coming up to midday, let's take a look at big then. PMQs are only a


few minutes away. If you would like to comment on the proceedings, you


can e-mail us. Or you can treat your thoughts. -- tweet. Portsmouth is a


big breaking story this morning, it will come up in PMQs. It does not


provide the two frontbenchers so what will Ed Miliband talk about? He


has talked about the cost of living for a number of weeks so I think you


will find something new. You can occasionally push your luck too much


and they will be strongly tempted to think of something else. Maybe the


crisis in ANA. -- accident and emergency. You have the crisis at


Colchester Hospital. It would not surprise me if that is the area he


wants to talk about instead of talking about water bills and energy


bills. The Prime Minister, whatever issue Ed Miliband brings up, he will


want to broaden it out to the growth figures which are beginning to go


Britain's way. Yes, but the trouble is that he gets drawn into that


territory and gets drawn back into the issue of cost of living. There


are conservative voices saying that they won something to say in


response to Labour voices. They are desperate to get back to a broader


agenda. The trouble is that today that someone will say that we have


lost an awful lot of jobs in shipbuilding. There is a Scottish


dimension, is there not? I have been to the Prime Minister's briefing


with his spokesman and we repeatedly said that a lot of people here think


that Scottish votes are more important than English votes and the


primaries are's spokesman repeatedly declined any opportunities to answer


that question. He said they were difficult decisions but they were in


the national interests. He would not deny that the retention of the union


was important. There is a whole programme about that. I mean, there


are no votes for the Tories in this, are there? No. It is interesting


that they would do that. There are no votes on the Clyde. It is a tough


commercial point. Over to the Commons.


This morning I had meetings with ministerial colleagues, in addition


I will have further such meetings later today.


I am sure we wish to associate ourselves with the Prime Minister


putts-macro fitting tribute. Hard-working businessmen facing


tough decisions... Decent trade unionists and newspapers including


the Daily Mirror will have been appalled by the... The so-called


leveraged tactics... The so-called leveraged tactics of Unite in the


Grangemouth dispute. Will my right honourable friend take steps to


ensure that families and children and homes are protected from a


minority of militants? He makes an important point. This


sort of industrial intimidation is completely unacceptable. We have


seen wanted posters put through children's letterboxes, we have seen


families intimidated and we have seen people 's neighbours being told


that they are evil. It is completely shocking, what has happened. It is


also shocking that the Labour Party is refusing to have a review to


stand up to Len McCluskey, and at the next stage, they should do so.


Ed Miliband! Let me start by joining the Prime


Minister in recognising the enduring importance of giving thanks on


Remembrance Sunday to all those men and women who have served our


country. This is a moment to remember all of those who have lost


their lives and to think about their families. That is why I know members


from across the house, and across the country, are wearing their


poppies with pride this week. Could the Prime Minister guaranteed there


won't be an A crisis this winter? We will do everything we can to make


sure the NHS continues to perform in the excellent way that it does


today. Let me give him the latest figures. Last week was the 27th week


in a row that we met our A targets. The NHS is treating 1.2


million more people in A than it was when he was in office. I can


tell him where there will be a particular problem. There won't be a


winter crisis in the NHS in Wales, where Labour are in control, because


there is a crisis every day of the week in Wales.


Mr Speaker, the Prime Minister is simply wrong about the figures. If


you look at what is happening in our A departments in hospitals, the


target has been missed for 15 consecutive weeks. The whole country


will have heard that the Prime Minister can't guarantee that there


won't be a crisis this winter in A, that is because there is


already a crisis, Mr Speaker. That is what the president of the Royal


College of emergency medicine says. He's says, I know they don't want to


hear about the crisis in A, but they're almost daily in instances in


most A departments of patients facing extended trolley waits. The


Prime Minister said let me give him one simple fact...


Order, there is simply too much noise in the chamber on both sides.


I appeal to the house, I get bucketloads of letters every week


from members of the public complaining about it. Cut it out, it


is low-grade, down-market and not necessary.


Let me give him one simple fact, in A today, the average waiting time


is 50 minutes. When the Shadow Health Secretary was sitting here as


Health Secretary, the average waiting time was over 70 minutes.


Those are the fact. Because this government didn't take the


advice... I wouldn't listen to the Health Secretary, he is the man who


refused to apologise for the mess at Stafford! The NHS is getting better


under this government. Across the medical profession they


are saying there is a crisis in A We have a Prime Minister saying


crisis, what crisis? How out of touch can he be? In the last year, a


million people waited more than four hours in A A weights are.


Patients waiting on trolleys up, delayed discharges up, ambulance


response times up. Why? Because of a top-down wee organisation that


nobody wanted all voted for. How many NHS managers have received a


six-figure redundancy package as a result of the reorganisation? There


are 20,000 fewer administrative grades in the NHS. There are 5500


more doctors in the NHS. There are 1000 more midwives. There are 1000


more health visitors. Let me tell him why. His Health Secretary said


it would be irresponsible to increase NHS spending. We rejected


that advice. We invested in our NHS and we are proud of it.


What the Shadow Health Secretary did was warned of cuts to social care,


that is exactly what they did and that is the crisis they produce.


Here is the answer to the question he didn't answer. The answer is 2300


managers have received six-figure payoffs.


Order. Too much noise. It had better stop, or the process will take


longer. I say to those who can't grow up, try. Try.


He is giving P45 's two nurses and six-figure payoffs to managers. Can


he tell us how many of the people who have been let go from the NHS


about three been fired, paid off and then we hired? We are saving ?4.5


billion by reducing the amount of managers in the NHS, and for the


first time anyone re-employed house to pay back part of the money they


were given. That never happened under Labour. But we don't have to


remember the Labour record of the past, we can look at the Labour


record in Wales. They have been running the health service. They cut


the budget by 8.5%, they have not met a cancer target since 2008, an


A targets since 2009. He is too weak to stand up to the poor


management of the NHS in Wales, just as he is too weak to sack his Health


Secretary. And we have a Prime Minister to


clueless to know the facts about the NHS.


Prime Minister sacks nurses. He seems to be saying it is untrue. If


he gets facts, he can tell me whether it is untrue. The NHS is


failing because of his boss should organisation, the abolition of NHS


Direct, cuts to social care and 6000 fewer nurses. He is the only person


responsible for the crisis. We have taken 20,000 administrators


out of the NHS, and I will not take lectures from a government which saw


patients drinking out of... Order, members are shouting from the


tops of their voices, they must stop doing so.


Let me give him the facts about the NHS under this government. Mixed sex


accommodation downed by 98%, over 1 million more people treated in A,


half a million more inpatient. We are not following Labour 's advice,


which was to cut the NHS. Under this government, the NHS is getting


better. Labour would have cut it, they never stand up for the NHS.


What the hell country will have heard today is a Prime Minister


complacent about the A crisis and clueless about what is happening in


the NHS. Watch the British people know is that the NHS is heading into


winter with fewer nurses, a lack of A doctors and a shortage of beds.


He promised to protect the NHS but it is now clear that the NHS is not


safe in his hands. Once again, he is wrong on the


facts. There are more A consultants working in A than five


years ago. That is why we are meeting targets in England, that is


why Labour is missing targets in Wales. I am clear, my job is to


stand up for the NHS and deliver a stronger NHS. When will he


understand that his job is to stand up to the bullyboys of Unite and


show courage? Marcus Jones.


Thank you. Over the past week, we have heard about Unite union 's


attempt at strategy to disrupt business supply chains. Given the


Government 's push for inward investment, what signal does the


Prime Minister thinks this action sends around the world to businesses


looking to invest in Britain? This sort of industrial intimidation


is bad for Britain, it very nearly cut off petrol surprise to a large


part of the United Kingdom. neither the Prime Minister nor the


leader of the opposition has found fit to raise it. I hope the Prime


Minister 's Ford are with people set to lose their jobs. -- the Prime


Minister 's thoughts. Will he agree with the BAE 's statement that


Glasgow is the best place to build frigates? The Defence Secretary will


be making a statement right after Prime Minister's Questions. Our


first thoughts should be with all of those affected. Frankly, I was


surprised that the Leader of the Opposition did not choose to raise


this important issue. We want our Royal Navy to have the best and most


modern ships and the best technology, meaning we will go on


building warships on the Clyde. We will announce three new offshore


patrol vessels, keeping that yard busy rather than paying it to remain


idle, as the last government proposed. There will be job


reductions in Portsmouth, but there are many more people involved in


ship servicing than building, so the workforce will go from 12,000 to


11,000. But under this government we will have aircraft carriers, type 45


destroyers, new frigates, submarines. If there was an


independent Scotland, we would not have any warships at all.


As we approach Remembrance Sunday, looking ahead to the centenary of


the First World War, will he join me in commending the work of the


Victoria Cross trust? Will he look in particular at how the government


might assist the trust and it's important task of restoring and


maintaining the grades of some of the nation 's bravest soldiers,


sailors and aircrew? I pay tribute to his support for the


Victoria Cross Trust, and his hard work. I appreciate any initiative


which remembers those who gave their lives for the country. Lots of this


falls under the Commonwealth War Graves Commission, we will work with


both of organisations to do everything so that these people are


properly remembered. Page 47 of the Tory party manifesto says, we. The


-- we will halt the forced closure of A ward. How was I going, Prime


Minister? Go were no changes to services unless they are supported


by MPs, and that is what -- the complete difference of what happened


under Labour. According to Unite, it is increasingly recognised that


bullying, violence and harassment is a major problem in industry. Does


the Prime Minister agree that the authorities should always


investigate harassment against employees and their families,


including when they involve members of a trade union? My honourable


friend is right. They are very serious, these allegations of


harassment. They need to be looked at. The party opposite is ducking


its responsibilities and we will have to consider what to do to stop


the leader of the Labour Party is behaving like the Mayor of town


towards the Mafia. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I asked a question about


zero hours contracts and most honourable members would agree that


the response was a fudge. Can I put it plainly and simply to the Prime


Minister. How many people in this place and in the government


buildings are employed on zero hours contracts? He does not care! I do


not have those figures to hand but I can tell the honourable gentleman


that we are having a review into these contracts and we are


particularly looking at those people on zero hours contracts who are 4


billion for working with other employers. -- 4 billion. The Prime


Minister and the Chancellor closed the gaping loophole left by the last


government 's too close stamp duty. Is it not now time to close the


other disgraceful loophole they left for overseas investors to buy a


property in London? My honourable friend makes a very important point.


The stamp duty change we made was vital to make sure foreign buyers


pay stamp duty properly in London. That needed to happen. The Shadow


Chancellor who was city minister when these things went wrong is


shaking his head. It is this government who insisted that people


pay the taxes that are due. The Prime Minister is right to extend


supervision to short sentence prisoners and to seek new ways of


reducing reoffending, but he must be aware of the growing concern that


his government's current plans will undermine the probation service. Now


that a criminal investigation has been opened into G4S and So ago,


Willie sit down with the Justice Secretary and trial the payment by


results proposal that he has made to see whether it works? I welcome


that. He has huge experience in this area about the importance of making


sure there is probation support for people when they leave prison. I


think it can make a big difference to reducing reoffending. The fact is


that half of all prisoners are back in prison within two years. It is


time to try a different approach and that is what the Lord Chancellor is


doing. The regional growth fund created 23 jobs this year. Can we


congratulate the managing director and Jaguar Land Rover, as well as


Bentley, on this success. We consider a visit to the company? I


would be delighted to make that visit. I would like to look at what


is happening in the Black Country in terms of greater job opportunities.


This is a country where the 1.4 million in private sector


employment. That is in spite of the prediction where would we are aware


we would lose jobs. Since the Prime Minister decided to deliberately


downgrades the country's terror laws, two suspects have used their


government granted freedom to escape. The latest one was clad in a


burger. Will the Prime Minister admits this was a irresponsible


mistake was to mark -- burka. I do not accept what the Right honourable


gentleman says. Under the control order regime , seven people


absconded. These were control orders that were being hacked away by the


courts. We needed a new system that had the confidence of the police and


security services. We will look at every single thing we can do to make


sure the system is as good and robust as it can be. We should be


frank that what we are dealing with is people who are not able to charge


and lock-up. Many of them we would like to throw out of the country but


we cannot currently. We need a regime like this but we will do


everything we can to make sure it is robust. Woods the Prime Minister


join me in congratulating the engineering industries in Morecambe?


They export and fabricate metal exports all over the world. They


have contributed to the drop in employment -- unemployment in my


constituency. Is this not in stark contrast to the grim economic


predictions of the party opposite? Would he visit the industry with me?


My honourable friend does an excellent job for standing up for


the people of Morecambe. Across the West, private sector employment is


up since 2010. The number of people claiming jobseeker's allowance is


down 29,000, and he is right that the party opposite addicted that we


would lose 1 million jobs. The answer is the complete opposite.


There are 1 million more people in jobs. It is about time they


apologised or the wrong prediction. Last month, a Tory councillor was an


invite to Number Ten. He is subject to an arrest warrant in Pakistani


connection with a brutal murder. After shaking this man's hand, and


having photos taken, would the Prime Minister like to say that he thinks


this gentleman should be returned to Pakistan have faced justice? I am


looking carefully into this case and I will write to the honourable


gentleman. May I ask the Prime Minister whether he is of the


opinion that the intelligence services of some countries may be


dangerously out of political control? Is the confidence that he


is kept fully informed of all sensitive, external initiatives


taken by our services? I do not want to break the rule of commenting on


intelligence issues but to answer his question as directly as I can, I


have looked very carefully at the governance we have in the UK for our


intelligence services, the work of the intelligence and Security


committee, and the oversight, particularly by the Home Secretary


and Foreign Secretary. We have a good system in our country and I am


fully involved in these decisions. Two years ago the Prime Minister


quite rightly agreed that extra resources be made available to


assist in the search for Madeleine McCann and yet only months later he


turned down a request for my constituents, Kerry Needham, whose


son Ben is still missing after 22 years. Will the Prime Minister think


again and response to my letter by making extra resources available to


help a desperate mother search for her son? This has been a


heartbreaking case that I know the whole country has followed over the


years. I will look carefully at the letter. Obviously, it is very


important that the police make these decisions themselves. The government


will stand by to help which is what happened with the Madeleine McCann


case. Can I ask the Prime Minister to elaborate on his statements about


the effects that the government are going to put in place with regards


to the mediation between the core jobs at BAE Systems and the many


thousands of jobs in the supply chain? I will expand a little but I


will leave the Defence Secretary to give Eddie tell answer. The current


workforce in Portsmouth will go down to 12,000. The MoD will invest ?100


million in Portsmouth into vital shipbuilding works, and as he knows,


there have been many more people involved in ship servicing than


building. Two aircraft carriers are at Portsmouth and that will mean a


lot of work for Portsmouth and the naval base. Many women face


discrimination when they become pregnant. How will charging them


?1200 to go to an industrial tribunal help them? Before he


attacks the trade unions, I would like to make it clear that I am a


trade unionist and I am proud of it! I think there are millions of people


in our country who are also proud but they are led badly by Willie boy


tactics. -- Belize. Intimidating families, intimidating witnesses and


intimidating the Leader of the Opposition! That is what we have


come to with Unite. They picked their candidates, they picked their


leader and then they bully him into other get what they want. I think


the questions was about tribunal 's! It is a good idea to remember the


essence of the question that was placed. Thank you, Mr Speaker.


Judicial reviews can be valuable for communities to have their say. What


steps is the Prime Minister taking to prevent what is happening in


Bristol where a small, unrepresentative group are using


judicial review, costing the taxpayer thousands. It is preventing


the building of a stadium for Bristol Rovers. I know that my


honourable friend has been campaigning very hard and


relentlessly to provide Bristol Rovers with the ground that they


need, and I commend her for that. There has been an issue with


judicial reviews and these play a role in holding the government to


account but I share her frustration that judicial review has become an


industry, and we need to fix that. We have taken a series of steps to


do that. A bit of courtesy, the honourable gentleman did not hear.


It is perfectly understandable. One of the objectives before the Second


World War was to bring about a fairer society in the UK. Is he


aware how wrong it is that the Chancellor would never have any form


of financial insecurity is now pursuing policies that take place on


the most vulnerable, millions who are badly paid and find it difficult


to feed their children. What is happening is unacceptable and


contemptible. What I would say to the honourable gentleman is that we


have taken 2.4 million of the poorest people in our country out of


income tax altogether. The figures simply do not fit with the story he


is trying to tell. The facts are that inequality is at its lowest


level since 1986. There is more money being given to the poorest


children in our schools. Applications from disadvantaged


children to universities has gone up and not down, fact. There are fewer


households where people do not work. I am keen to answer the question, Mr


Speaker. Payday lending, regulated properly for the first time. Yes, a


proper consultation of zero hours contracts. Those are the actions we


are taking to build a better Britain. Thank you, Mr Speaker. On


the 3rd of September I wrote to the prisons minister requesting a


meeting to discuss the future of Wellingborough. I received no


response to that request. I received a letter from the prisons minister


that the prison was to be sold. I do not understand because it was the


third cheapest in the country to be run. Would the Prime Minister meet


with me and constituents to discuss the matter? I will arrange for that


meeting with the prison minister so he can discuss the future of the


prison. It is important to modernise it and get value for the money. The


Prime Minister has been boasting about 1 million extra jobs in this


country. Can he therefore explain why the number of people in my


constituency, unemployed for more than two years, has risen by 350% in


the last year alone? It is the worst in the country. Nine of the ten


constituencies in this measure are in the north-east. Mr Speaker, is


this because the same old Tories, who do not care... The fact is that


we are seeing right across the country, including in every region,


more opportunity in jobs, more people involved in the, and the


claimant count coming down. In the north-east we have a new factory


that will make a real difference. We have the expansion of Nissan which


will do very well. We need to do more to keep the economy growing and


keep people employed. I am certain about one thing. We will not do that


if we put up taxes because the fact is, today, Labour is the greatest


risk to our recovery. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Can the Prime Minister


confirm that in the review of levies on energy Bills, it is the fairness


of the funding process that is the priority. Does the government still


support vital measures to enslave people's homes? -- insulates. Of


course we want to see that. We want to help vulnerable people to keep


their Bills down. We should be looking at every subsidy and making


sure it is value for money and making sure it is not in place for a


moment longer than is needed. Mr Speaker, the Chancellor of the


exchequer would not answer this. After so-called new jobs that he


spoke about, how many of those on zero hours contracts? I do not have


the figure for that but the fact is that there are more people at work


in our economy than ever before. Two thirds of those jobs have been


full-time jobs, and while we're on the subject, perhaps it is a good


moment to recognise that Labour controlled Don Caster does not pay a


living wage whereas London does! Don Caster. Is it not more important


than ever to tell our young people that engineering offers them


rewarding careers? My honourable friend is absolutely right about


this and he has campaigned hard for respect for engineering. We are


seeing a growth of young people studying engineering but it is true


that if you look at the skills shortage list, there are still


engineering jobs on that list, and that is a rebuke to our country


where we need to get more people studying maths and science at


school, and more people studying engineering at University. Last


year, Banca's bonuses grew 91% faster than wages for ordinary


working people despite the prime Anissa's assurances that this would


not happen. Can the Prime Minister talus whether he is unwilling to act


or whether he is useless at being Prime Minister? The point the


honourable lady should bear in mind is bonuses were 85% higher when the


Shadow Chancellor was sitting in the Treasury. It is this government that


is making sure... Sun order! I want to hear the answer. We inherited a


situation where the cleaners were paid higher tax rates than the


managers they worked for. She should look at her own front then for


anyone who is useless! James Landale was right, he said


they would probably go on the A crisis or the NHS. The Leader of the


Opposition concentrated on the pressure that the A units are


under. Maybe anticipating a cold winter, and if there is one, you


could see the pressure grow and grow. Maybe the Leader of the


Opposition was laying downy marker for what is to come if the winter is


really cold -- laying town a marker. Relations between the Speaker of the


House and the Prime Minister reached a new depth. For the second week in


a row, the the Speaker interrupted the Prime Minister just as he was


getting into his stride in a reply to Mr Miliband, and then rebuking


the Prime Minister for not quite answering a particular question. The


Prime Minister was asked how many zero-hour contracts there were in


the Palace of Westminster. He did not know the answer. There were 1810


years ago, 73 when Labour left office, there is now 163 -- there


were 18 ten years ago. He also said that of Scotland were independent we


would have no navy ships at all. I think by week, he meant Bay. That is


probably not quite true. Adjust for accuracy's sake, an interesting


fact. When the Edinburgh and Westminster Parliament 's were


unified in 1707, the English navy had 240 ships, the Scottish Navy had


three. What are the e-mails saying? Public service broadcasting at its


finest! E-mails and tweets. Most of the


reaction was about the NHS and A Ian Jordan in Tamworth, Ed Miliband


has hit a rich seam politically on the cost of living and did well to


mix up his attacker with the NHS, on which Cameron was weak. But I feel


he should go back to the debt, obviously missing debates on the


broader economy. Colin in Rugby says that if the figures quoted by Ed


Miliband about the numbers of people receiving six-figure pay-outs and


those made redundant and re-employed are correct, it is a disgrace. Is it


possible for the Daily Politics to check the numbers? I am sure that


Andrew will. Sue in Cheshire says that any


problems in A were caused by Labour. Ed Miliband should wake up


to the fact that uncontrolled immigration and diabolical GP


arrangements mean more people turning up A for problems which


should dealt with elsewhere. Samuel says it takes seven years to


train a doctor, the coalition has been in power for three years, so


who trains the new doctors, Dave? Another person said that many people


do not use the NHS regularly so it ends up a battle of statistics.


James, do you detect a beer in government circles that the NHS will


become a big issue in a cold winter? There is certainly a fear of that. I


would expect in the Autumn statement that something is announced to that


effect. I am speaking not from knowledge but from some eyes, cold


weather payments, more money to help. The problem for the government


is that... We have had these crises before, these things are promised


every winter. It has a real impact on some people. The government,


politically, will face a lot of blame for the reorganisation. Even


if there is no direct link, there is a political narrative for Labour.


the government has already marked an extra dimension ?50 million to help


with winter pressures. This extra 1.2 million people going through


A, why has that happened? I think you had a tweet from somebody


mentioning the GP contract. It is incredibly difficult to get a GP


appointment when you needed. I am a mother, I have to ring up and get


these appointments. If you go to the telephone advice service, very often


they direct you to take your relatives straight to A We really


need to revisit the question of GP availability. We worked during the


week, GPs need to be available at weekends. We finish work late, they


need to be available in the evening. We pay more, we need more access.


Reign the reason we are asking questions about A isn't just in


anticipation of a cold winter, it is because the service is more


ill-equipped and ill-prepared for this winter, for the A crisis,


than it has been for many years. 111 does not have nurses on it. That


is the advice line? Yes. And GP contracts have changed, we had a


guarantee you could get an appointment within 48 hours, the


Tories has stopped that. It did not work. But the biggest reason, and I


was on the bill when they were trying to reorganise the National


Health Service, I said, don't spend ?3 billion reorganisation. Not only


will you be laying off all these managers and rehiring them with a


different name, but you are taking your eye off the ball, elderly


people largely use the NHS and they need to be supported at home so they


do not come into A on a blue light in crisis. That is why we are


ill-equipped. When we were trying to deal with the huge deficit as a new


government coming in, we made the conscious decision not to cut


spending to the Department of Health. The department that I ran


had to take a huge reduction of 30%, but the Department of Health was


spared because... You did not tell us about it. The public believe we


spend too much on managers and management, that money needs to be


redirected to the front line automatically. That means some


redirection of resources. The in increase demand through A has a


lot to do with the fact that people can't get hold of the doctor, the


family doctor, the gatekeeper and the linchpin of the National Health


Service. What is the answer, the reorganisation of the GP contract


has resulted in more people going to A? It was reorganised in 2001,


2002, it did not result in the crisis. The change in government


came in 2010, that is history. You don't think it had anything to do


with it? Know, in 2010 the 48-hour guarantee was got rid of, and the


additional money for keeping GPs open on Saturdays. I am a mum as


well, trying to get an appointment for a child when you work is really


difficult, of course. People work long hours and, certainly, of


course, we should have GP surgeries open in the evenings and weekends.


That was not a condition of the reorganisation, of the new


contracts, which were incredibly generous to GPs? We are talking


about contracts from ten years ago. The changes made then do not have


the impact now. The impact now is getting rid of the 48 hours, and GPs


open on Saturdays. Weren't the reorganisation come back to haunt


you? In the last election you said that you would increase health


spending in real terms by a bit which, broadly, that you never said


you would go for a massive reorganisation of the NHS. I was


with fancy before elections, when he met with GPs in my constituency to


ask whether they would be willing to take back a commissioning role in


the NHS. He got a resounding yes. I am watching our GP commissioners get


good results. For example, A locally has a GP supported unit next


to A, local to me. It was not in your manifesto. We made it clear


that we would not cut expenditure to the NHS, we would tackle expenditure


on management... The Prime Minister repudiated the idea of a major


top-down wee organisation. GP commissioners are close to the


ground, they can address these winter pressures by putting


resources where they are really needed. You did not tell us. I was


not Secretary of State for health. I don't mean you, personally! The


Secretary of State as GPs whether they would take on a commissioning


role. He was in the studio as Shadow Health Secretary and he did not tell


our viewers that is what he was planning. James, no standard of


living? One brief reference, but that was about it.


It seems that every opportunity he can, the Prime Minister will


shoehorn Unite in? In recent prime ministers questions it is a much


more organised campaign by the Labour with us, they are getting


everybody to read out the questions so it is repeated. You get momentum.


Labour, they could have organised to ask more questions about health or


maybe the cost of living, just to keep that going. Clearly, the


Conservatives believe there is a rich seam, they want to keep


punching the wound on this. As long as it is unresolved and there are


unresolved questions, they will keep pushing. Thank you, James.


Did you enjoy school dinners? Did. What was your favourite? Fish and


chips. Fish and chips on a Friday, all peak custard and cake? Despite


recent campaigns to improve their nutrition and image, take-up is very


poor. Nick Clegg wants to change this and announced at the Lib Dem


conference that all five to seven-year-olds will get free


lunchtime meals from September. It is National School Dinners We Can,


we have gone back to the dining room. Anne Bull has this week


Up until recently, people's perceptions of school food has not


been positive. People can remember soggy cabbage and lumpy custard.


There has been hard work going on to make improvements and we are cooking


on gas now. What have you got there? Some salad. Salad, is that your


favour? Yes. I have cucumber, spaghetti, sweetcorn, and red. That


is nice bread, is it home-made? I think so. Politicians are getting


the message as well. Nick Clegg announced a package to give free


school meals to all children in England. The Department for


Education published their school food plan in the summer. Many


schools have already introduced free school meals to primary school


children, realising the benefits they provide. Only 1% of packed


lunches contain the nutritional standards that have been applied to


school food. School food is fresh and healthy and is the best option.


Across the country, take-up of school food remains stubbornly low


and the majority of children bring in a packed lunch or buy something


outside of school, which is more than likely junk food. Head teachers


tell us that performance, behaviour and concentration all improve when


children have a balanced meal. Working parents say free school


meals can save money on packed lunches. Academies and free


schools, and those outside of local government control, do not have to


do apply food standards. It is a time we were more transparent. Anne


Bull joins us now. I am feeling hungry! The biggest problem is


image, or it has been in the past. People will remember semolina. Is


that an issue now? We have moved on from there. It has taken time, I


agree. The image of school food and nutritious food is important. This


week is National school Dinners Week and it allows us to showcase what is


good about food up and down the country. We are giving the children


the chance to try food. Local councils are doing it differently we


were in a school in Islington and they have taken on board free school


dinners. What about the take-up? Why do not more schoolchildren take


school dinners? I think the take-up has gone up in the last five years.


It is still low, though? Exactly. The image is still one of the issues


but in the older children, they are allowed out of school. We are


working with headteachers and the school in terms of this approach. We


are trying to encourage children to eat within the school. There are


some children who are fussy eaters and I have always opted for school


dinners. It is more convenient. There are a lot of children who say


they do not like them. I will be interested to see what the take-up


is like once you have offered the free school meal to children. What


can you do about parent's attitudes? A lot of them remember what it was


like in their day. Research has shown that there is a 92%


satisfaction rate from parents so we must be getting it right. There is


work to do but we are getting there. You said you were frustrated but


what are you doing to persuade the government to include parents within


the National food standards? The plan was introduced in July and we


represent the industry and schools. We are saying as part of the plan


that we want standards across the board in academies and free schools.


I have been into schools in my constituency is and you have to get


over this stigma that is applied. Free schools are included in this?


Academies do have some autonomy. It is not just the saving in the cost


of the food that the improvement in academic attainment. Why would you


not want to embrace this approach? There is a two month advance in


terms of educational attainment in one academic year. What is not to


like about that improvement? In Islington... Is it across The


Borough that it is happening? It is our borough and in the last four


years we have had free school meals. Teachers say behaviour and


concentration is better. They get children to grow tomatoes in a


bucket and they get them to understand about food and nutrition.


It is, without doubt, a fantastic policy. The Liberals did not like it


but they are now in favour of it. What goes around comes around.


Now, in London we are used to our Mayors being rather unorthodox


characters. Ken Livingstone, Boris Johnson - neither of them would be


confused for a conventional, ordinary politician. But the Mayor


of Toronto, Rob Ford, puts our city leaders firmly in the shade. A few


months ago rumours emerged of a video featuring Rob Ford smoking


crack cocaine. He initially denied the allegations but after the


Toronto police announced they had a copy of the tape, he admitted he had


smoked crack. But he is refusing to go. Here's the mayor in action over


the last few days - starting with his unusual way of dealing with the


Canadian press. Thank you very much, get off my


property! Thank you very much. Do you not understand? Get off my


property, partner! Thank you very much. Thank you. What you tell us,


Mr Mayor? Thank you! I have been advised that we are now in


possession of a recovered digital video file relevance to the


investigations that have been conducted. That file contains images


which appear to be those images that were reported in the press. I think


it is fair to say that the Mayor does appear in that video but I am


not going to get into the details of what activity is depicted. Yes, I


have smoked crack cocaine. Do I? Am I an addict? No. I have tried it in


one of my drunken stupor is about a year ago. There have been times when


I have been drunk. I want everybody in the city to see the tape. I


sincerely, sincerely, sincerely apologise. I may be wrong but I


think he apologised most sincerely. That is Rob Ford. And we're joined


by Jeff Semple, a reporter for CBC - that's the Canadian Broadcasting


Corporation. He's been working in Toronto for the last three years but


moved to London only last week. You got a promotion! I will miss


covering him! You finally have a story! I have been the butt of jokes


in many e-mails. Are the people of Toronto angry? I did a live report


about the international reaction to all of this and as shocking as it


seems on the outside looking in, a lot of people in Toronto are not


surprised. The writing was on the wall. Since the reporter published


that they had seen this video, saying that they had been shown the


video, the admission is not surprising. What is surprising is


that he is insisting on keeping his job but also running in the next


election. When easy up? In a year. It's may seem far-fetched that he


would keep his job but I can take you back to the Mayor of Washington,


DC. He got re-elected. Yes, I think so. Is he still in with a chance? He


is, and I was looking at the polling numbers at the weekend and it is


remarkable. His support has held steady and one report suggested his


support had gone up after he apologised for the oh deal. I think


politicians could study Rob Ford. Does he have previous bad


behaviour? He does. He was in trouble for drunk driving


allegations, smoking marijuana, and it is not uncommon to hear about Rob


Ford turning up at public events intoxicated. Is he a good Mayor of


Toronto? That is a sticking point. That is where people love or love to


hate Rob Ford. He came to power to stop the gravy train at City Hall.


He cut government waste in spending and if you talk to supporters of Rob


Ford, they say they do not care what he does in his own time as long as


he keeps taxes down. We are going to cover the election for the first


time! We will need your help! I have run out of time so will not ask you


if you want to confess to anything! Now, time to put you out of your


misery and give you the answer to Guess The Year. 1958 was the answer.


Caroline, press that big button there and reveal the winner. That's


all for today. Thanks to our guests. The One o'clock news is starting


over on BBC One now. We'll be back tomorrow at noon with all the big


political stories of the day. We going to do a Thursday together for


once! Bye bye.


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