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Afternoon, folks, welcome to the Daily Politics.

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The dominance of a private-school educated elite in the "upper

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echelons" of public life in Britain is "truly shocking", says John

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Major. Who could the former Prime Minister be talking about?

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Will the Government's "Help to Buy" scheme give young people the leg up

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they need? A month on from its launch, the Government hales it a

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success - but could it create launch, the Government hales it a

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All that in the next hour. With us for the whole programme today is

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Professor Michael Clarke of the Royal United Services Institute -

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welcome to the programme. First this morning, the Prime

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Minister is due to attend the Commonwealth Heads of Government

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Meeting in Sri Lanka later this week, but he is coming under

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pressure to boycott it because of the country's poor human rights

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record. Last week the Canadian prime minister pulled out of the biennial

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get-together of Commonwealth leaders and at the weekend, the Indian prime

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minister followed suit. Yesterday the Foreign Secretary, William

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Hague, defended David Cameron's decision to travel to Columbo. If we

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were to stay away from this meeting in true Lankan next week, it would

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damage the Commonwealth without changing things positively in Sri

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Lanka. We need to be Office Minister Kerry MacCarthy. We

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asked for a Foreign Office minister to come on the programme but no one

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was available. Thank you for joining us. Why shouldn't David Cameron go?

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If you look at Sri Lanka's human rights record, particularly to the

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closing stages of the war which ended in 2009, it is absolutely

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shocking. When it was agreed that the summit would be held in 2013,

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that was strictly on the understanding that Sri Lanka would

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make real efforts to address their human rights record in the interim

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period and they simply haven't done so. In terms of when they have been

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challenged on these issues, they have denied that anything has been

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going on. You look at the Canadian prime minister, he said he will not

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attend, as has the Indian Prime Minister. We are asking David

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Cameron to do the same. Do you agree?

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danger is what will be an impressing summit in any case, if Cameron goes

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and the Indians and Canadians are not there, it will be a running sore

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in the am and what for years to come. Not as bad as Rhodesia but may

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be heading in that direction. If David Cameron boycott the Heads of

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Government Meeting, how will that change human rights intra- Lankan?

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-- in Sri Lanka. Our concern is that it will present a face to the world

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that everything is right. He said he will be taken to some of the

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troubled spots but we know that in the past, Conservative MPs have come

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back with glowing accounts but have not been shown the real horrors. The

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foreign office will have briefed David Cameron and if he is there, he

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can make much stronger representations as the head of

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government than by not going. He should have been doing this for the

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entire length of 2013. should have been doing this for the

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example to the Commonwealth on your human rights record. They have not

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done anything and David Cameron has not used the period to put pressure

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on them either. He has left it far too late. What do you think on the

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issue of influence? Would it be in a better place to make a stand now,

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even if it is late in the day, by going, than by sending a junior

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minister? Yes, the Sri Lankan government has got to understand

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that they beat the Tamil tigers and now they have been suppressing the

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Tamil people. They say there have been atrocities on both sides. There

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is a very big Tamil minority and that has an impact. Although this

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summit is going to be a bit of a mess, it is probably better on

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balance to make the points that need to be made now so they can be

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followed up later. to be made now so they can be

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dog can -- gets forgotten about. Generally the issue has not made a

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headline is more than a couple of times and the same fate will happen

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again if he does not go. It is important to keep it on the

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international agenda and that is where things like the Channel 4

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films that was shown last week, it was absolutely shocking in some of

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its content, it is important to do that. We need an international

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independent enquiry into what has happened in Sri Lanka. They set up

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their own internal enquiry which frankly was... Nothing has come of

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it, it was a bit of a figleaf. Do you think Sri Lanka should be in the

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Commonwealth? It is important that we use Commonwealth membership to

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enforce what should be shared values. We would not be calling for

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Sri Lanka to leave the Commonwealth, we want them to address human rights

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abuses. There are other we want them to address human rights

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were committed? It would be a reasonable first step because the

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media is awash with stories, some true and some not. It needs to be

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pot and some not. It needs to be buttoned out. -- bottomed out. The

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government has got to understand that the world will not turn away

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from this. Does it think it can get away with it? It does. They are

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saying we will suppress this for once and for all, we have beaten the

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Tamils and we will deal with the ethnic problem for the pit is also a

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problem for southern India. Now it's time for our daily quiz.

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They seem to be they seem to be pushy in what I

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would call a pseudo- genocidal policy.

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The question for today is, what has Conservative MP Nadhim Zahawi had to

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apologise for? Was it claiming Conservative MP Nadhim Zahawi had to

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have his duck house re-decorated? At the end of the show Michael will

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give us the correct answer. You wait for months, sometimes years

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for him to make a public statement - and then two come along in quick

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succession. I speak, of course, of the latest missive from former prime

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minister, John Major. Last month he had a go at the Government's record

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on cost of living. On Friday he addressed a Conservative Party

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association in Norfolk. Our correspondent, Gary O'Donohoe,

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wasn't there - but he's spoken to people who were - and joins us now.

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What did Sir John have to say for himself? Essentially he had a go

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about the state of social mobility in the country and he said it was

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truly maddening that the country was still run by what he described as

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the private school educated elite and the well-heeled middle class.

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the private school educated elite you doesn't think it is here. He

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also continues some of those themes -- he doesn't think it is here. He

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talks about the cripplingly low interest rate that pensioners are

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getting. He suggested interest rates ought to be raised so that

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pensioners get some returns on their savings. I think he would argue, and

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people have been arguing that he has not been silent, he has been saying

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these things at various points up and down the country. And perhaps

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there is a sense in which he is making these things more public. I

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was told that there was not unhappiness on his part, that there

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were reporters present on Friday. It does sound a little bit

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orchestrated, he is not going to give that sort of speech, laden with

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political points, unless it is going to be reported. What do you think he

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is up to be reported. What do you think he

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fault. The difficulty is that when you start using phrases like private

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school educated elite, it sort of feeds into a narrative of criticism

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that is already out feeds into a narrative of criticism

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of David Cameron and the people surrounding him and his Cabinet. It

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is not surprising, I don't think he would find it also -- all that

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surprising that it is regarded as a bit of blue on blue criticism as

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well. As the election approaches, former prime ministers believe they

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have some wisdom to impart. He doesn't forget that he pulled the

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iron out of the fire in 1992 and he won a Commons majority against all

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the odds in that election. He thinks it is still possible for the Tories

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to do that if they stop squabbling. it is still possible for the Tories

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privately educated? I couldn't agree more and I gave a speech at one of

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the country's leading public schools. It is not just politics, it

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is the BBC, it is banking, it is journalism. It is every sphere. What

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we are doing is inhibiting us as a country to compete on the global

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stage. Because we are drawing our expertise and our talent from a

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narrow pool of 7% of the country. What and who is to blame? There is

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no one particular person or measure, this is something which has

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been happening over a long period of time. I think the removal of grammar

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schools by the Labour Party and the destruction of them, almost, and to

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a degree, our lack of wanting to readopt the grammar school model. I

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came from a readopt the grammar school model. I

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conflicting evidence in how much grammar schools helped but the main

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-- main point made by John Major is it is their fault. The accept that?

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I don't. -- do you accept that? Under Labour, if you take

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education, labour narrowed the gap slightly in schools. They should

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have done more. It did but its long-term work is hard to shift. It

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depends on changes in society, it depends on people coming through

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schools, getting into universities and colleges. It all takes time. In

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13 years you can put down mercifully that wasn't incremented.

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I wish he had. No evidence that it increases social mobility.

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Scandinavian countries have come brands of education, they don't

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select at 11. They have a very different model over also it is

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wrong to use that as an example. Also under Labour, the gap between

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the rich and the poor grew massively and that certainly doesn't help

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social mobility. If that hadn't have happened, maybe there would have

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been more improvement in terms of social mobility. One of John

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Major's main points is that it is very difficult for anybody... I

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don't even believe Margaret Thatcher would make it to where she did. It

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is very difficult for anybody from the background that I came from and

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he came from, to look at industries like banking, journalism, the arts,

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the BBC, politics, and see a like banking, journalism, the arts,

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the people who are in those positions are picking like-minded,

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similar people. Undoubtedly, people with wealth and power tend to pass

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it on, they pass it onto their children. So, it is incredibly

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important to have routes through into the professions, as well as in

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wider society, and you do have to break up some of the closed shops.

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Can I just say, this is not just any particular party, this is across all

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parties. But do you not think John Major was having a go, looking at

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George Osborne, David Cameron and to select sent Nick Clegg? I think the

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problem at the top of all of the parties is that we do have a small

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group of people at the top who are all from a very similar background.

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In terms of grammar school education, you think it was this

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great key to success for education, you think it was this

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ultimately, the structural problem is the global boom of the 1980s and

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1990s, and you would think that where a global boom is more

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prevalent, that it would create more social mobility, but it tends not

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to, because it is the middle-class people who can use market forces

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more easily than others. Looking at Scandinavia, is it not the case that

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everybody, or a vast majority, go to the same schools, and therefore,

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that equalises their opportunities? It is only here in Britain where we

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have this flourishing private education, which does not help

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narrow the gap? In Scandinavia, you are talking about countries with a

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much smaller population, where the government in that country can

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identify and meet the needs of that population, because it is wealthier,

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in a far more effective way than we can do with 65 million people in the

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UK. can do with 65 million people in the

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the UK, it is very difficult to go back to the drawing board and turn

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it upside down and start again. Is that why we have seen so much focus

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on state education from politicians, because they are trying to turn that

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7% of the population going to private schools and

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disproportionately represented at Russell group universities... ? That

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is not the only issue. Vocational education is incredible --

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incredibly important, other routes into success are also important. But

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selecting at 11 makes it worse, because you are just tracking them

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from an early age. The kids with middle-class parents will just have

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more tuition when they are at primary school. But you cannot stop

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people doing that. You can't, but it is the state's job to make sure that

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all children frustrates me that 50% of them come

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from the private school set, but as we are the BBC, we want the very

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best. Fundamental problem is that we have to raise up state education to

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become trouble with that from the private sector. Do you think it is

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comparable yet? No, I do not, and I do not understand why not. When you

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going to a private school, apart from the structure of the buildings

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and the infrastructure, then what is taught is the same curriculum that

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we have in our state schools. Now, we have social problems, and in

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Germany, people reflect what they are taught more than they reflect

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their parenting. In the UK, children reflect their parenting more than

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their schooling. I think we need to step up to the plate and make

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schooling much more influential on the life of a child and drive up

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school standards. I would like to bring up a point which you made

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about the BBC, because I get loads have by virtue of their parents and

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their background and their connections. Do you think the

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Government is actually going to do anything about social mobility? They

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can do a certain amount, they can influence it, but ultimately, it

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seems to me that social mobility is created by bigger factors, like the

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way the economy works. Governments cannot create social mobility. The

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Labour Party tried but it did not make much difference. Our armed

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forces, particularly those who have been wounded or killed in the

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service of their country, are very much in our thoughts today. What was

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once a commemoration of people who fought in two world wars has now

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become a reflection on the conflicts of a more recent era. But how good

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are we at turning our tribute 's into practical support for Britain's

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servicemen and women? David Thompson reports.

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servicemen and women? David Thompson -- permanently maintained costume at

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-- permanently maintained? It is called the military covenant. The

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concept goes back to Elizabethan times, but had no basis in law,

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until this government introduced the Armed Forces Covenant, which

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includes things like reducing council tax for those on active

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service, and doubling welfare grants for families. There are now also

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community and corporate covenants so that private sector employers can do

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their bit as well. But does it go far enough? Very sadly, we still

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have people serving in our Armed Forces getting discriminated against

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in society. Clearly, that is appalling. We have got to look at

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how appalling. We have got to look at

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our country. While public support for the Armed Forces may be at an

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all-time high now, that might not always be the case. My concern is,

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will that supports decline as we see the withdrawal from Afghanistan, and

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the media spotlight fading, when actually, the needs of that group of

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people, and the support they are going to be calling on from

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donations and from organisations like the Royal British Legion, will

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begin to Newington be on the increase? But for all of the good

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intentions and warm words, is the covenant actually something tangible

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to those at the sharp end? If you are a soldier on the front line in

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Afghanistan, clearly that is not going to be at the forefront of your

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mind. But it does matter to our Armed Forces, that they are being

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properly looked after, that the covenant

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nation's gratitude to the Armed Forces is not in doubt. But what

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really counts is how we show it in the weeks, months and years to come.

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Michael Clarke is still with us. As the public's attitude changed

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towards the Armed Forces? Yes, I think it has. The public is behind

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those on the front line, but I think now they are much more sceptical

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about the military establishment as a whole, and politics behind it.

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There is a sense in which Iraq and Afghanistan have been regarded as

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campaigns which the public do not like very much, but they support the

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boys and girls who are having to do it. It is the wooden and batted

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effect, troops coming home in coffins, and everybody is very

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respectful, but it makes the troops into victims of government policy,

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and the troops themselves are not happy about that. They do not want

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to be seen as victims. They are instruments

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to be seen as victims. They are vast swathes of the population did

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not know about or did not care about? Absolutely, and at the

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moment, I think it is unprecedented. I have heard it said that the public

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have never been more sentimental about our Armed Forces than they are

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now. On the other hand, we should not assume that it is some sort of

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sporting event. They have got to understand that these are national

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interests, for good or bad, which are being pursued. The danger is

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that the glamour and the sentiment which goes into thinking about the

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Armed Forces takes the public away from what is it that they are

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fighting about? Interestingly, there is this difference between the

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personal and the political. What about once people have left the

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service, or finished their tour of duty, and go back into normal

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civilian life or digit is more than people think it should be, more

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difficult than most of us realise. lifetime will start to suffer some

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sort of battle stress. That will come out in all sorts of different

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ways. How does that manifested itself? It might just make somebody

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more difficult to live with, might make them more morose, it might give

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them other problems. It depends on the individual. Some people give up

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their lives, some people give up normal at either the rest of their

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lives, with injuries, but everybody gives up a little bit of their

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sanity when they are on operation. What about the covenant which was

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being spoken about there, coming back and wanting to buy a home, or

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just get another job, how hard is that? It varies. The services are

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now doing a lot more to ease that transition into civilian life. They

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are making a lot more benefits available, and trying to give people

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a lot more training. Having served in the forces,

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a lot more training. Having served been in garrison in Germany 20 years

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ago, say, having served in a war makes that transition more difficult

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than most of us might think. Thank you very much. Now, the trial is

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continuing of the former News International chief executive

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Rebekah Brooks and the Prime Minister's former communications

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chief Andy Coulson. Both face charges which they deny arising from

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the phone hacking affair. Our correspondent is outside the Old

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Bailey. What can you tell us? Day 11 of the proceedings this morning, and

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Rebekah Brooks arrived by taxi with her husband Charlie, and Andy

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Coulson arrived later, on his own, by foot. Those are three of the

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eight defendants on trial. Focus this morning from the prosecution

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has very much been on a story which appeared in the News of

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has very much been on a story which on the phone of a friend, Sally

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Anderson, in the autumn of 2005, in which he related very intimate

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details, white emotional. The jury heard him speaking. These messages

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were hacked by Glenn Mulcaire, the convicted phone hacker, who was

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working for the News of the World, and they will add to found -- they

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were later found on tapes in his house. David Blunkett says to Sally

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Anderson, a close friend, they are all being absolutely vile. I am

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really sorry. Someone is destroying both of our lives at this moment in

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time. It is absolutely vile. Whoever it is, I hope they rot in hell. In a

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second take, and if there are any children close by, he said, I do not

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know who has done this, but they are real bustards, he said in his

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distinctive Yorkshire accent. He real bustards, he said in his

:28:53.:29:12.

some of the notebooks which belonged to Glenn Mulcaire, the phone hacker,

:29:13.:29:18.

detailing these messages left to Sally Anderson, and in the top

:29:19.:29:20.

left-hand corner, as he did throughout all of his notebooks, he

:29:21.:29:27.

left a selection of names referring to the person who tasked him, in

:29:28.:29:31.

this case, Ian, meaning Ian Edmondson . all the people deny the

:29:32.:29:33.

charges. The Newspaper editors and

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politicians look to be at loggerheads over the regulation of

:29:43.:29:44.

the press. The Privy Council brought into force a Royal Charter on press

:29:45.:29:48.

regulation - but so far most national newspapers are refusing to

:29:49.:29:51.

have anything to do with it. But yesterday on the Sunday Politics

:29:52.:29:54.

programme, the Deputy Labour Leader, Harriet Harman, suggested that a

:29:55.:29:58.

deal could yet be done with the new regulator being set up by the

:29:59.:29:59.

newspaper industry. have turned people's lives upside

:30:00.:30:22.

down, and the press have said, we will to sort things out and leave it

:30:23.:30:27.

to us, they have sorted things out and a few years later they have

:30:28.:30:30.

slipped back. This recognisable check it once every six years and

:30:31.:30:34.

say, yes, you have got an independent system and it has

:30:35.:30:37.

remained independent, and therefore that is to guarantee that things

:30:38.:30:42.

will not slip back. That was deputy Labour leader Harriet Harman.

:30:43.:30:48.

Joining us now, two of Fleet Street's finest come out of the

:30:49.:30:52.

rain. Welcome to the programme. What do you make of Harriet Harman's

:30:53.:30:57.

comments, this softening of the line? It is interesting, the battle

:30:58.:31:03.

over press regulation that we saw during believe is an enquiry. --

:31:04.:31:06.

Turin be Leveson enquiry. could run, and they may not try,

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after a certain period of time, may not enforce the Royal Charter in its

:31:36.:31:39.

current state? That is what Harriet Harman seem to be suggestion and she

:31:40.:31:48.

has opened a can of worms. Hacked Off said it would be and come --

:31:49.:31:55.

said it would be incompatible. I imagine the remarks would be

:31:56.:31:57.

welcomed by most of the newspaper groups is a bit of an olive branch,

:31:58.:32:01.

that the government doesn't want to drive through more changes and

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statute -- sorry, that Labour does not want to. And that they will have

:32:06.:32:11.

a sit down and talk about how this might work in the future. A vicar

:32:12.:32:16.

camera is at risk of being criticised for not doing what he

:32:17.:32:17.

promised to do -- David Cameron is criticised for not doing what he

:32:18.:32:41.

parties and if it falls short, they will not be happy. It will take a

:32:42.:32:45.

long time to short out under think we are some way from seeing the

:32:46.:32:49.

final version. What is John Major up to? Talking about

:32:50.:32:52.

final version. What is John Major up worms, lobbying in grenades and the

:32:53.:33:00.

more like. Deliberately so? Apparently not, apparently being the

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keyword. One of the key points of this speech the private constituency

:33:05.:33:08.

dinner in Norfolk at the weekend was that we should carry out our battles

:33:09.:33:12.

behind closed doors within the Conservative Party. We shouldn't

:33:13.:33:15.

have these sorts of fights in public, as happened when he was

:33:16.:33:18.

prime minister, there was constant infighting played out on television

:33:19.:33:25.

and in the newspapers. He is saying it did not work then and it will not

:33:26.:33:30.

work now. Low and behold his remarks were leaked to the Telegraph and

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they are were leaked to the Telegraph and

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Number ten? Public -- publicly they will be saying he is allowed to

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intervene but what are they really thinking? It is interesting, they

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know they have to appeal to the blue-collar, Aspar and working-class

:34:02.:34:05.

voters, the sort of people who got John Major into Downing Street in

:34:06.:34:14.

1992 -- aspirational. They will be conscious that there is probably

:34:15.:34:17.

something in what John Major says and they need to reach out to new

:34:18.:34:22.

groups of voters. What danger is the NHS crisis? Potentially cute but

:34:23.:34:28.

however, they are prepared for it. In August -- potentially huge. The

:34:29.:34:34.

government set out ?250 million to get through the winter because they

:34:35.:34:37.

were anticipating a huge demand on the NHS. It is not helped that

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Labour are pushing the NHS. It is not helped that

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the Conservatives. Number ten are aware of it, worried about it but

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they are prepared for it. They are hoping that they will be able to get

:35:04.:35:06.

through the winter without some crisis exploding. Are you surprised

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by the level of political involvement in an issue which is

:35:12.:35:14.

supposed to run itself separate of political involvement? David Cameron

:35:15.:35:20.

spent so long before the last election trying to neutralise it as

:35:21.:35:23.

a political issue. To some extent he did. Absolutely but since then it

:35:24.:35:29.

has been a different story. We have had NHS reforms which has caused a

:35:30.:35:34.

coalition problem as well as a public one for David Cameron and he

:35:35.:35:37.

could be in for a long, hard winter if there are A problems. Thank you

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very much. It's a month since the Government

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rolled out its controversial "Help to Buy" scheme, which guarantees

:35:44.:35:47.

mortgages of up to 95% of the value of a property for those who can

:35:48.:35:50.

afford the repayments but can't afford a large deposit. The

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afford the repayments but can't Adam Shaw. Welcome to the programme.

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How easy is it to find affordable housing in this country? Not very,

:36:15.:36:20.

is what you will hear from a lot of people. As part of the programme we

:36:21.:36:24.

asked its asked Mori to conduct a survey of just over 1000 adults,

:36:25.:36:29.

asking them how much they spend on their housing and 31%, about a

:36:30.:36:33.

third, said they spent around a third of their disposable income on

:36:34.:36:39.

mortgage or rent. That is not just a number, it is very significant. If

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you talk to organisations like the Joseph Rowntree foundation, they say

:36:45.:36:48.

at precisely that point, housing becomes unaffordable. If you are

:36:49.:36:53.

spending that much, you can't afford other basic needs. We speak to

:36:54.:36:56.

people in the programme, people in employment who run out of food by

:36:57.:36:59.

the end of the week, because they have no extra spare cash.

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the end of the week, because they important to look at prices but also

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to look at affordability. If you go out into the country, a lot of

:37:22.:37:24.

people feel this is just unaffordable. On that issue, that is

:37:25.:37:30.

why the government has been so proud of what it is calling a success with

:37:31.:37:36.

Help to Buy, is it helping? This is a big question and not for a humble

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reporter to give you the answer. I can give you the evidence so other

:37:40.:37:45.

people can judge. Since it started, construction starts have gone up 6%.

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There is little evidence that I can see it is because of Help to Buy,

:37:50.:37:53.

but it certainly happened at that time. There are new figures about

:37:54.:37:58.

the second round of Help to Buy, it shows people are interested now,

:37:59.:38:04.

even more than in the first round. A lot of people say it could have the

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opposite effect. Because if you are encouraging people, enabling people

:38:10.:38:09.

to take out encouraging people, enabling people

:38:10.:38:28.

time, you have encouraged the bonds of people to take it -- bunch of

:38:29.:38:34.

people to take debt that they can afford now but not in the future. If

:38:35.:38:38.

it is pushing up housing starts and prices, what you might be doing is

:38:39.:38:42.

moving the affordability of homes, not closer to poorer people but

:38:43.:38:47.

further away, because you are boosting demand without being able

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to get supply up quickly enough. Joining me now are three people who

:38:54.:38:59.

want to become MPs, God help them. Clarence Mitchell, who will be

:39:00.:39:02.

fighting the Brighton Pavilion seat for the Conservatives, Rowenna

:39:03.:39:04.

Davies, who is contesting Southampton Itchen for Labour and

:39:05.:39:07.

Maajid Nawaz who will be the Lib Dem candidate in Hampstead Kilburn.

:39:08.:39:10.

Welcome to the programme. Clarence Mitchell, what are the risks of this

:39:11.:39:17.

fuelling another credit bust? We believe it is all about empowering

:39:18.:39:19.

hard-working people to get onto believe it is all about empowering

:39:20.:39:37.

independence and self-reliance and the aspiration in being able to own

:39:38.:39:43.

their own home. We have heard the figures are working, Help to Buy is

:39:44.:39:48.

delivering. Some 2000 access and is is in principle, three other than

:39:49.:39:53.

?65 million in mortgage applications being processed -- 2000 accidents --

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acceptances. I applaud the Conservatives for wanting to deal

:40:04.:40:06.

with the housing crisis in this country. I don't think it is up to

:40:07.:40:10.

the scale of the problem because of the housing supply shortage that we

:40:11.:40:15.

have. At the moment, only ten of these deals have gone through. There

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is a real problem that it will cause a housing bubble. The bubble was the

:40:21.:40:26.

cause of a crash in the first place and that is exactly what we want to

:40:27.:40:28.

avoid. Do and that is exactly what we want to

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East when inflation is much higher foot I can't afford a home in London

:40:50.:40:54.

and I am renting in London. The two problems are that house prices are

:40:55.:40:58.

too high, and that what happens as a result is that rent prices are too

:40:59.:41:02.

high. If you help people to buy, you increase the price of houses and

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that means that more people cannot buy. We have to increase the supply

:41:05.:41:10.

of housing. This government has built 190,000 new houses at Danny

:41:11.:41:14.

Alexander has announced in the next Parliament, 3 billion will be

:41:15.:41:17.

injected to build new houses. The other is to help people to buy

:41:18.:41:21.

houses. The boy like me and most of us who can't afford houses in

:41:22.:41:26.

London. This is the jilted generation -- people like me and

:41:27.:41:34.

most of us who can't afford. Would you say it is a problem if all you

:41:35.:41:38.

do is help people to pump up their mortgages, but you don't create

:41:39.:41:57.

is the exact cause of the crisis. For generations, owning your own

:41:58.:41:59.

home on a mortgage has been a great British aspiration, it gives people

:42:00.:42:03.

hope for the future, it gives them an asset which increases in value.

:42:04.:42:08.

Assets are increases in in the south-east but in some parts the

:42:09.:42:14.

valuations have crashed. The rising economy, driven by the construction

:42:15.:42:19.

sector, building new homes, will ultimately lead to a stability in

:42:20.:42:22.

the market where there is more affordability. The crisis has been

:42:23.:42:26.

decades in the making, it has not just happened during this

:42:27.:42:29.

Parliament. One of my best is to get to the bottom of this while making

:42:30.:42:33.

it affordable for people to buy homes. One of the ways suggested in

:42:34.:42:39.

preventing a housing boom and bubble is for interest rates to go up

:42:40.:42:46.

should they go up next year? If you raise them it has a knock-on effect

:42:47.:42:49.

on people's mortgages and it can slow down

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on people's mortgages and it can clearing up the mess of the last 13

:43:08.:43:11.

years of economic mismanagement. Interest rates are independently set

:43:12.:43:14.

but they should stay as low as possible for as long as possible, to

:43:15.:43:17.

enable more people to have more money. Should they stay as low as

:43:18.:43:27.

possible? The answer is to build more houses. Everyone is agreed but

:43:28.:43:31.

it is the rate at which they are going to be built. The financial

:43:32.:43:36.

policy committee is going to monitor this situation. We cannot renew this

:43:37.:43:40.

policy until they give the green light for it. That is another safety

:43:41.:43:49.

against the crisis. A quarter of people are trading up, they are not

:43:50.:43:53.

first-time buyers, should those be the people you are helping, too?

:43:54.:43:57.

Whelping the majority who it seems first-time buyers,

:43:58.:44:17.

Whelping the majority who it seems available to people buying homes --

:44:18.:44:20.

who are buying homes worth ?600,000. I home worth over half a million is

:44:21.:44:24.

very unlikely to be bought by a hard-working family in this

:44:25.:44:29.

country. Should it be valued up to ?600,000, it is a substantial amount

:44:30.:44:34.

of money. In the south-east houses are overinflated in their value and

:44:35.:44:37.

I think the solution is to drastically increase supply for

:44:38.:44:41.

housing. Are the right people being help? People will say it is a bribe

:44:42.:44:47.

to say, we will help you buy your home, vote Conservative or Lib Dem.

:44:48.:44:52.

This is about helping young individuals who want to have their

:44:53.:44:55.

own home and they can now make it possible because we can make the

:44:56.:45:00.

deposit basis affordable. The safeguard is the financial policy

:45:01.:45:02.

committee which will be monitoring to avoid that type of scenario and

:45:03.:45:06.

it cannot be renewed until they give the go-ahead.

:45:07.:45:25.

it cannot be renewed until they give and emergency units. Last week,

:45:26.:45:30.

senior consultants said A departments were facing what may be

:45:31.:45:35.

our worst winter yet. How big an issue is the NHS with your

:45:36.:45:42.

constituents? It is huge. We have got Kilburn High Road which has, I

:45:43.:45:46.

would say, a disproportionate amount of people who rely on the social

:45:47.:45:51.

services. We have got a heavy immigrant population there. I have

:45:52.:45:57.

used those clinics myself, I have depended on them. So they should not

:45:58.:46:04.

have closed? No, I agree with the chair of the Association, who said,

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the problem was, when the primary care trust areas were carved up,

:46:09.:46:13.

these walk-in clinics were allocated arbitrarily in accordance with those

:46:14.:46:18.

areas. What should have happened instead was

:46:19.:46:36.

areas. What should have happened it was a mistake to close them? In

:46:37.:46:37.

individual cases, I am sure there were good reasons why it happened.

:46:38.:46:41.

Of course there is a need for people to have good quality A care. We

:46:42.:46:49.

accept that. But there were some concerns about educational services

:46:50.:46:55.

in some cases. But essentially, the Conservatives are working with NHS

:46:56.:46:59.

England to make sure that services are tailored to the needs of the

:47:00.:47:05.

local community. ?3.8 billion is being put towards a fund to join up

:47:06.:47:10.

health and care services properly. Walk-in centres may be part of the

:47:11.:47:14.

answer, that they are not a one size fits all solution. Family GPs and

:47:15.:47:20.

pharmacists all play their part. Do you accept that Labour must take

:47:21.:47:23.

response of validity for those GP contracts, which means there

:47:24.:47:44.

response of validity for those GP contract which they had signed? We

:47:45.:47:47.

are going to look at those contracts. But with these walk-in

:47:48.:47:52.

centres being shut, one quarter of those people who would have gone to

:47:53.:47:56.

those centres are going to end up in A The Conservatives will say that

:47:57.:48:01.

perhaps there is educational services, but when I am in

:48:02.:48:05.

Southampton, people say, I try and go to my GP, but I cannot get an

:48:06.:48:09.

appointment, which is why those walk-in centres are so crucial. That

:48:10.:48:13.

is why we want to expand the role of GPs, along with pharmacists. I have

:48:14.:48:22.

tried to phone the GP in the morning, you are given a 15 minute

:48:23.:48:26.

slot to make an appointment, and obviously, the phone is off the hook

:48:27.:48:32.

constantly. GPs need to be incentivised to provide online,

:48:33.:48:34.

telephone and flexible hours and service, but those contracts need to

:48:35.:48:36.

be service, but those contracts need to

:48:37.:48:58.

winter coming, but what about the problem at the other end of the

:48:59.:49:01.

scale, which is that people are not being discharged properly, because

:49:02.:49:05.

there is nowhere to discharge them to come particularly old people, and

:49:06.:49:11.

this is clogging up the system in A? All of this needs to be looked

:49:12.:49:16.

at. I have read the conclusions in this research, and also some of the

:49:17.:49:21.

GP advice, and on the whole, I think it is sensible. I would encourage

:49:22.:49:26.

the ministers to take a serious look at that and implement some of the

:49:27.:49:32.

solutions, because they are quite sensible. Andy Burnham has said that

:49:33.:49:37.

what we really need is the proper integration of health and social

:49:38.:49:39.

care, and I think the parties need to get around the table and say, we

:49:40.:49:44.

need a consensus on joining up the system. I think there is

:49:45.:50:03.

need a consensus on joining up the indication from Labour not that they

:50:04.:50:08.

do not like... ? My understanding, from speaking to Andy Burnham, is

:50:09.:50:12.

that once particular contracts come to an end, they will not be renewed.

:50:13.:50:16.

It is not like a full-scale dismantling of the system. What do

:50:17.:50:22.

you say to people when you are speaking to them, why did we have

:50:23.:50:25.

this top-down reorganisation, we did not vote for it? One of the few

:50:26.:50:30.

policy areas which was ring fenced in terms of funding was the NHS. The

:50:31.:50:38.

NHS is safe in Conservative hands. Have you seen the targets, have you

:50:39.:50:42.

seen the waiting time lists, homely people are waiting in A? Process

:50:43.:50:50.

and bureaucracy and some of the layers of management need to be

:50:51.:50:54.

dealt with. We put patient care at the heart of everything we do.

:50:55.:51:13.

dealt with. We put patient care at solution going forward? That would

:51:14.:51:16.

be helpful. The problem is the confusion that these reforms have

:51:17.:51:19.

caused. A lot of these walk-in clinics do not know what is going to

:51:20.:51:27.

be happened to them. -- happening. Walk-in clinics are an important

:51:28.:51:34.

area, but they are not a one size fits all solution. There are 650 of

:51:35.:51:39.

them, and my guests will hope to join this prestigious grouping,

:51:40.:51:42.

members of Parliament. But their path to power is not always smooth

:51:43.:51:47.

as shown in Falkirk. So, how do you get selected? The process of

:51:48.:51:51.

becoming an MP is a long one. Everybody must do battle with others

:51:52.:51:55.

from their own party to get selected in the first place. In the

:51:56.:51:58.

Conservatives under Liberal Democrats, you have to go through an

:51:59.:52:04.

assessment process in order to get onto a centrally

:52:05.:52:23.

elected by local party members, where the endorsement of a union

:52:24.:52:26.

could improve your chances of success. But it is no guarantee.

:52:27.:52:35.

Rowenna Davis, how did you get selected? By working really hard.

:52:36.:52:41.

The selection process is essentially a two-month public interview. I got

:52:42.:52:45.

on my bike and cycled around two Labour Party member after Labour

:52:46.:52:49.

Party member, sat in their homes and listened to their hopes and their

:52:50.:52:52.

fears, talked about what I believed in and stood for, went back and

:52:53.:52:57.

wrote handwritten letters to them, hours and hours of campaigning in

:52:58.:53:01.

the rain, until you build up to this massive hustings, where you have a

:53:02.:53:05.

huge public debate and an election for the candidate in question. It

:53:06.:53:09.

was a fantastic day, it is a really good example of old-fashioned

:53:10.:53:13.

democracy more on that day. We have the highest turnout of any selection

:53:14.:53:32.

democracy more on that day. We have constituents and to the

:53:33.:53:34.

association. The associations are hypercritical about the people they

:53:35.:53:38.

are going to have representing them in Parliament. It is absolutely

:53:39.:53:42.

proper that you do come through this scrap to get there. I did my

:53:43.:53:46.

Parliamentary assessment board back in 2009, and here I am, nearly six

:53:47.:53:52.

years later, having gone through this process, and still standing.

:53:53.:53:57.

You clearly all want it very badly, which is something, but how much

:53:58.:54:03.

does it cost? For me, the only thing was the transport, knocking on every

:54:04.:54:07.

single member's door. My constituency is the narrowest

:54:08.:54:13.

marginal in the country. I had to knock on every member's door. First

:54:14.:54:19.

time around, I failed. They selected somebody who then took a job

:54:20.:54:22.

somewhere else and had to move out of the area, and I went for it

:54:23.:54:23.

again. of the area, and I went for it

:54:24.:54:42.

interests. They are not bedazzled by Star TV quality. And that is

:54:43.:54:45.

something to be proud of. Because you have all got a public profile in

:54:46.:54:49.

one way or another, so did that help, in some way? It is a help and

:54:50.:55:00.

a hindrance. Every constituency wants a star, somebody who will

:55:01.:55:08.

shine out, who will go on The Daily Politics and speak for them.

:55:09.:55:13.

Indeed. But at the same time it can be a hindrance, because we know

:55:14.:55:16.

there is a huge amount of suspicion in politics at the moment, and

:55:17.:55:21.

stereotypes and suspicions about whether you have been centrally

:55:22.:55:25.

parachuted in. You have to work very hard to say, no, actually, it is

:55:26.:55:30.

just me and my bike. I would agree with that. Yes, in my case, Brighton

:55:31.:55:33.

has got a media economy, it is a with that. Yes, in my case, Brighton

:55:34.:55:53.

you are not in it for yourself. And Labour got into a mess in Falkirk.

:55:54.:55:58.

Yes, and that proves that machine politics does not work. What works

:55:59.:56:02.

is going door-to-door and earning the trust people individually. It is

:56:03.:56:07.

quite interesting how far the Labour Party has gone in the wake of

:56:08.:56:11.

Falkirk to change the way these processes are run. Introducing an

:56:12.:56:15.

open primary for London is a massive thing. That is for the mayoralty,

:56:16.:56:20.

and for some Parliamentary seats as well. What has happened to open

:56:21.:56:23.

primary is? That was hailed as the great hope of politics and it has

:56:24.:56:32.

gone. It has not gone, we have had Hampstead and things like that, it

:56:33.:56:37.

was never going to completely take over. It is ultimately down to the

:56:38.:56:40.

individual associations to run their contest the way they see fit. And

:56:41.:57:02.

powers that be, that you get outspoken views wanted yes, the

:57:03.:57:07.

powers that he can speak for themselves, but some associations

:57:08.:57:10.

feel it is the right way forward, giving them a wider mandate, but

:57:11.:57:15.

others are happy to stick to the traditional route, which is an

:57:16.:57:18.

internal special general meeting, which votes on the candidates. In

:57:19.:57:23.

terms of the people putting themselves forward, Conservative MP

:57:24.:57:29.

Douglas Carswell said a tiny clique of people are entering politics, and

:57:30.:57:33.

the Liberal Democrats are struggling particularly to get that range if

:57:34.:57:37.

you like of ethnic minority candidates and women, so do you

:57:38.:57:42.

agree with him? A lot more can be done, but here I am. I hope

:57:43.:57:48.

hopefully I will be the first parliamentarian to speak fluent

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Arabic, a lot is changing. parliamentarian to speak fluent

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Politics quiz, and what has he had to apologise for, can you remember?

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I cannot remember the exact amount, but well done for getting that

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right. Are you worried about the thought of expenses rearing its ugly

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head again? When I get a stable, I will worry about it. I think MPs

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realise that there was a period when things were done within the rules

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but for the wrong reasons, in the sense that they felt they were not

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properly compensated. The way to go is what Sarah did, she paid for

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everything herself, and hats to her for that. Thank you to all of my

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guests today. I will be here again tomorrow. Bye-bye.

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